/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4113806]

I am trying to be closer to the artist Tkmiz's style, I'd love some feedback on my attempt to draw one of his/hers character

(original here: https://imgur.com/FsPw8tY))

[Anonymous No.4113808]

>>4113806
Copy him work OP, have you also have some basic fundies shit like anatomy and color theory beforehand?

[Anonymous No.4113812]

>>4113808
I've just done some line practice and lots of boxes from drawabox. Should I work a lot more on the fundamentals and anatomy before trying again?

[Anonymous No.4113817]

>>4113812
Hmm, in all honesty just go theough Hampton’s once and you’ll be ok for anime anatomy unless its a more realistic approach then bridgman it is.
How many cubes have you been drawn? Did you get the feel for perspective? Did you use references of boxes so your perspective is on point to get the feeling faster? Did you also freehand rotate boxes? The artstyle you’re trying to replicate is nice and comfy but I’d reckon it would be better if you copy similar artstyles and try to develop your own along the way that takes all what you learned and interest to bare fruit.

[Anonymous No.4113822]

>>4113817
I've drawn around 50 cubes (no where near the 250 goal just yet) and I feel like I have gotten a beginner's feel for perspective it's still predetermined points on a page rather than replicating perspectives of cubes in real life.

But thanks! I never knew about Hampton's anatomy book, I'll be sure to check it out once I'm done with the boxes and comfortable with line work and never thought about copying other similar artists as well to come up with my own style.

[Anonymous No.4113830]

>>4113822
Keep up the work OP,
I remember the time I also did boxes but I went far and beyond and drawn close to 1000 boxes. Helped me with perspective immensely to the point I could do what krenz does for poses and everything else FZD style

[Anonymous No.4113834]

>>4113830
That's seriously inspiring!

[Anonymous No.4113839]

Not so fast!

Mimicking a style is more than doing copies, you have to understand it from different angles.

Pic related is also by tkmiz. Way cleaner and tight.
He has some very loose ones, and also some that are lineless, so you gotta understand maybe even tkmiz himself has no single conscious style of his own, being the messy result partially a consequence of his time-saving workflow.

You should learn to mimic his style of anatomy/shapes first (if that's your goal).
Then you should learn his colors and shading style.
Then, after you think you're good enough, you can start getting messy and trying to achieve all this rushed MS Paint feeling to it. Otherwise it won't look natural: either it will be messy and bad or too stiff and looking like a "controlled mess".

[Anonymous No.4113842]

>>4113822
I hope they're not all this crazy. The point of the exercise is to develop a natural intuition for perspective. Most of the boxes you draw should be done in a perspective setting that you're likely to use a lot. I also did a lot of mine in the same scene, so I'd get a feel for how to place them in relation to eachother.

Try to draw more boxes that look like something you'd see in real life (at least in shape).

[Anonymous No.4113843]

>>4113839
Definitely agree what you said anon, you should study how the figures look in different angles and construction.

[Anonymous No.4113844]

>>4113842
That’s why I told him to reference actual cubes before jumping into super warped perspective or all he does in the end would be too warped and fucky.

[Anonymous No.4113849]

>>4113839
Thank you for the tip!

[Anonymous No.4113895]

>>4113806
Eyes need to be bigger, after that you need whatever drugs led to Tkmiz' weirder ideas.

[Anonymous No.4113926]

>>4113806
>There are people in the world right now that unironically want to draw like this and actually call it "Tkmiz style"
We need another fucking world war.

[Anonymous No.4113936]

>>4113926
whats wrong with it friend?

[Anonymous No.4113944]

>>4113936
What's wrong is how everyone seems to get enamored just because the artist who draws that shit is depressed and normies lap it all up. Boofuckinghoo a sad moeblob is being portrayed as a sexually confused girl who eats cunny and then kills herself, don't forget the edgy context that always hints at a suicide event that either just happened or is occurring and everyone is having a grand old jolly time jumping off a building SO DARK AND EDGY xD

This isn't fucking 2006 anymore with the emofad and the days of linkinpark, just have the artist kill themselves already instead of attention whoring.

[Anonymous No.4113962]

>>4113944
If you actually care enough to browse through the artist's gallery, you'd figure out that 99% of his art isn't even dark or edgy.
That's not the reason why people like his art.
And once you've also figured out that Japanese people don't fetishize depression and other mental illnesses like Americans, your arguments just falls apart even more

[Anonymous No.4113969]

>>4113806
Nose placement is way off. Also don't use curved lines for the clothes, he uses straight lines for clothes. Just look at >>4113839 Probably just avoid using curves in general so you can notice the subtleties better.

[Anonymous No.4113972]

>>4113806
Have you read his manga OP? Thats not messy at all. The messiness is only because theyre sketches you should study his manga instead to learn the style

[Anonymous No.4113978]

>>4113962
The point I'm trying to get across is that there's nothing technically notable from them, they are like Van Cogh where the pieces of work are shit but just because they have a history of mental illness and phases of psychosis all of the sudden it becomes the flavor of the century.
>Chinks don't fetishize depression and other mental illnesses
O I am laffin. Care to explain all the degeneracy they produce from tentacle mindfuck rape to sadistic behavior?

>https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-calmly-smokes-cigarette-next-19010249
>muh real life yandare gf just like on muh japanese animays!
Fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.4113980]

>>4113978
Championing sadistic behavior

[Anonymous No.4114012]

>>4113926
>>4113978
>HOW DARE PEOPLE LIKE APPEALING ART?
All the fundamentals are there, you'd be the kind of retard criticizing impressionism when it wasn't established and being laughed at nowadays by anyone with an artistic sense.

Also you ignored anon's objective point of tkmiz mostly drawing safe and cute things, being all "sadness" only perceived.

You can go up your hustings again once you're able to pull off something as compelling and with a sense of narrative as this.
Until then you are the clinically depressed crab romanticizing your lack of skill as "good taste".

[Anonymous No.4114029]

>>4114012
>APPEALING
There's absolutely nothing appealing whatsoever about this mountain of shit, I prefer to look at an Elephant paint a tree at a Kindergarten's level than this heaping pile of crap. You are only interested in it because:

1. You caught wiff of pussy and believe the Artist is female and a yurifag
2. You are only interested in the Artist and not the actual pieces in itself
3. You have a gross group mentality and follow the herd like sheep because you saw it on your social media feed with lots of upboats and asspats
4. You are buttstalking the artist because you're a sick fuck that likes to nose in on other people's business who are emotionally disturbed.

I'm willing to bet real money that this faggot would be a literally who if it wasn't for them pointing out that they're depressed, suicidal and bawwing their eyes out as an artistic expression in their work. It's either a fucking gimmick or perhaps they actually are sick in the head and quite frankly I am counting the days until finally they become an hero and we can all finally put this crap to rest.

[Anonymous No.4114030]

>>4114012
I think any drawfag can easily see this pic is by the hand of a good pro. Color, feeling of the depth, the expression of water, unification of the design, everything tells it's drawn by someone mastered the skill.

[Anonymous No.4114035]

>>4114029
>the expression of water
What the fuck does that even mean? You're like a hipster contemplating a rock on a pedestal being displayed inside a museum.

[Anonymous No.4114044]

>>4114029
Post stuff you like.

[Anonymous No.4114049]

>>4113978
>Care to explain all the degeneracy they produce from tentacle mindfuck rape
Said degeneracy are not mainstream. Bring up stuff like that outside of microscopic otaku safespaces and you'll be lynched.
You'll not see Japanese people tweeting about how depressed they are and have hordes of people jerking you off and 'protecting' you.

>>4114029
You're working backwards. You've started from the assumption that the art is bad and the people who like it are wrong, and then afterwards explaining why they're wrong.
If you can't argue in good faith, then don't argue at all.

By the end of the day, tkmiz art is simply visually unique and atmospherically charming, while still being very fundamentally solid.

Most of his followers don't even know about the "depression" lore that his more fanatic fans (making up probably only 0.01% of his followers) are conjuring.

[Anonymous No.4114055]

>>4114044
I don't believe you have a well refined palate to appreciate the pieces other people indulge in, just stick to your depression moeblobs it would be like showing a retard fine art just so they can say they're bored and want to go floss in fortnite or whatever the fuck zoomers are into these days.

[Anonymous No.4114061]

less petty arguments and more ref posting.

[Anonymous No.4114063]

me personally, I wanna reach the level of artist Kairunoburogu

[Anonymous No.4114068]

>>4114061
i like this one

[Anonymous No.4114072]

>>4114029
HAHAHAHA holy fuck, the absolute state of dementia in this board.

I don't even have a Twitter, you seething nigger tagnut. I got interested on the anime solely by its style, then found out the author had a Twitter and ran a webcrawler to download all the pics.

I am also >>4113839 , so you can clearly see I think (never looked up) it's a man.
Now take your meds, ok, sweaty?

[Anonymous No.4114073]

>>4114063
Even Kyle is a breath of fresh air ITT.

[Anonymous No.4114079]

>>4114072
Hit the nail on you with the third one didn't we?

[Anonymous No.4114085]

>>4114079
Running out of timber?
Funny how you're free to ignore ALL arguments everyone gives you, but the moment I don't address one out of four fanfics you wrote you go off the handle.

Still waiting for your own artwork displaying good narratives and art-worthy, instead of "depressive stuff" like pic related.

[Anonymous No.4114092]

>>4114085
>arguments
There are none, all I see is a pathetic attempt to justify why this guy gets a pass when others just like him are called shit and rightfully so. As I have stated before the only difference between this artist and the next guy is that they have carved out a niche, exploited it and pandered it as their own. You've even given it a name and called it Tkmiz style or whatever the fuck they call themselves. Good job giving more fodder to further push this shit and inspire more copycats that's just what we need. I don't know what is more pathetic, this guy passing as a depressed yuri girl or a copycat that also wants in on the depression bandwagon pulling heartstrings.
>i-it's the style I like!
Thank you for reiterating that you have a plebeian tier palate and there's no point or sense in showing you other mediums.

[Anonymous No.4114096]

>>4114092
Forgot to mention the "expression of water" you faggots are going a long way into grasping straws and will desperately find anything to over sensationalize his work.

[Anonymous No.4114102]

>>4114029
I've never seen this artist's work before so here's my thoughts

His stuff looks sorta cute though most of the time the sketchy lines don't seem to work for what he's going for

[Anonymous No.4114108]

>>4114092
>>4114096
I'm not water guy and I'm not OP (the one who called it tkmiz style). In fact, if you follow my quotes, I said tkmiz doesn't have a conscious style.
You have nowhere to run. You can't execute compelling ideas and thinks rendering will somehow salvage it.

Enjoy this photographic piece of epic tkmiz style.

[Anonymous No.4114116]

I wonder if this anti-tkmiz guy is being ironic.

[Anonymous No.4114129]

>>4114108
SO dark and edgy, very risque! He's certainly pushing the boundaries of social norms what a rebel xD! Liked, upvoted, favorited, and subscribed! To the front page with ye X-D

[Anonymous No.4114209]

>>4114116
Maybe he's just too shy to ask for more politely.

>>4114129
Is your art as bad as your reasoning abilities?
Do you want me to call your mom?

[Anonymous No.4114215]

>>4114129
so you don't like to see people die-- thanks for sharing you fucking moron. XD

[Anonymous No.4114219]

>>4113806
Look at that thing the girl in the pic is holding. That's how cute anime is meant to look like.

[Anonymous No.4114260]

>>4113806
Holy shit what is with this board's obsession with fundies. You're not going to get tkmiz's style by grinding boxes and anatomy. Just study tkmiz's work, draw a lot (always necessary), and come up with creative ideas. Her stuff is appealing despite lowish fundamentals because she realizes the idea, the composition, and the aesthetics are more important than where precisely the gastrocnemius inserts. In short, she's just having fun.

Honestly, I thought your drawing WAS hers in the catalogue, so you might be on the right path. This style is pretty popular and widely imitated on Twitter, she isn't the only one doing it. I guarantee you not all of these guys have strong anatomy and perspective knowledge. They just know what they find appealing and they draw it in a loose way. They're doodling, having fun.

And I'm not saying to never study the more serious things, or that you should be satisfied with imitating tkmiz forever. But explore this fertile ground, and then figure out where you want to go once you've exhausted it. You don't have to follow everyone else's program, don't kill the creativity in you by drawing boxes, that's like anti-tkmiz.

[Anonymous No.4114273]

>>4114260
Tkmiz is a guy

[Anonymous No.4114278]

>>4114273
I have heard both. I've even seen people asserting that, no, tkmiz is in fact a she. There's tons of links where everybody is using female pronouns. One link brings up gender dysphoria. Is it absolutely confirmed one way or the other?

[Anonymous No.4114285]

>>4114278
Yes It's absolutely known. His wikipedia page https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8F%E3%81%BF%E3%81%9A
"Tsukumizu is a Japanese manga artist. Male [1]."
This tweet confirms it too https://archive.fo/20171021040621/https://twitter.com/tkmiz/status/444149408863494144#selection-3575.0-3575.55

[Anonymous No.4114316]

>>4114260
Thank you! that's very positive and a different view than what I thought. All the things that are recommended that I do seem very studios yet important to learning art.

But you remind me that there's a lot of fun in it too!

[Anonymous No.4114578]

>>4114273
it's an tranny

[Anonymous No.4117311]

>>4114260
What I find appealing about tkmiz's artstyle is the combination of the perspective and the unpolishedness of the rest of it. tkmiz's work without perspective does nothing for me.

[Anonymous No.4118500]

>>4113806
the image you linked has a highlight in the hair that wraps around the hair and head form in such a way that you can believe that it's 3D. also the way the eyes are drawn imply a turning of forms and accounts for the plane of the eye lids and those planes under the brows. in my opinion the way tkmiz draws is purely based on suggesting form and then rendering where forms turn.

[Anonymous No.4118608]

tkmiz stuff is always so simple but so fantastic at capturing a mood or moment

[Anonymous No.4118621]

>>4118608
>Painstakingly learned how to animate.
>Style of choice prefers to be simplified.
OUROBOROS

[Anonymous No.4118628]

>>4118608
pure SOUL

[Anonymous No.4118657]

>>4118621
>>4118628
>>4118608
>CYUUTE OMG PURE SOUL TKMIZ YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS

[Anonymous No.4118662]

>>4118657

[Anonymous No.4118665]

>>4118657
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4118668]

>>4118657

[Anonymous No.4118677]

just went through a scan of his twitter. and although some drawings of his could pass off as completely beg tier, there are others that are really good, and purposefully drawn "bad". And dare I say it, his drawings do have soul.I think if he wanted to draw in a more professional refined art style he definitely could, but with the response he's already been getting with his shorthanded style, and I don't see why he should.

[Anonymous No.4118689]

>>4118677
tkmiz is definitely familiar with fundies, it's more a stylistic choice to draw squiggly

[Anonymous No.4118691]

I wanna get closer to this style

[Anonymous No.4118695]

>>4118691
>Kizuna's face
One fucking job Kyle one fucking job.

[Anonymous No.4118713]

>>4118691
yikes

[Anonymous No.4118980]

>>4114260
looks like you never seenTkmiz' work

[Anonymous No.4119571]

>>4113806
Great dude keep working out and succesful artist

[Anonymous No.4119574]

>>4113806
Good job op now you are getting somewhere

[Anonymous No.4120215]

>>4118980
Show me a tkmiz piece that contradicts anything I said.

[Anonymous No.4121219]

>>4113822
so, if my end goal is drawing anime style characters, drawabox and then moving on to hampton is a solid way to get some fundementals? all of drawabox or a specific exercises more important than others? I remember seeing that the latter exercises require some tools I don't currently have, so if some of those were none essential it would be convenient

[Anonymous No.4121224]

>>4114260
>despite lowish fundamentals
>she herher her her herh erhe rh she
Can you please never post again?

[Anonymous No.4121233]

>>4113817
>>4113830
so, if my end goal is drawing anime style characters, drawabox and then moving on to hampton is a solid way to get some fundementals? all of drawabox or a specific exercises more important than others? I remember seeing that the latter exercises require some tools I don't currently have, so if some of those were none essential it would be convenient

[Anonymous No.4121257]

slightly more polished tkmiz is great too

[Anonymous No.4121268]

>>4121224
You know, I responded to >>4118980 earlier but then deleted it because I didn't want to argue over something so trivial. After all, the substance of my argument wasn't whether tkmiz has strong fundamentals.
But fuck it, let's argue. All you're doing when you post that piece along with that reply is telegraphing to me how /beg/ you are, and that you're probably (hopefully) new here. No matter how much you like that drawing and might want to draw in that way (I like it too, it's a nice cute drawing), it absolutely does not require strong fundamentals.

I was already corrected on tkmiz's gender so you can save that.

[Anonymous No.4121337]

>>4121268
Next time delete the posts where you talk shit instead.

Do you think someone "forgets" fundamentals when drawing in a loose, cartoony way?
His fundamentals are solid. You can't draw like a Parkison's pacient and have it look nice without a deeper understanding of form.
"Simplifying something something" - Picasso or Steve Jobs, who cares.

[Anonymous No.4121854]

>>4121337
I engage you on the same that you engage me. Since you're making an actual point now, I'll respond in kind.

I love Taiyo Matusmoto (that looks like fan art though? not sure whose, tkmiz's?). Ping Pong is one of my favorite anime. Lately I've been admiring the work of Robert Valley, who pushes perspective and proportions in extreme ways that might belie the skill that goes into the drawings. If you couldn't sense his grasp of fundamentals from that, his less stylized life drawings prove it.

I have great respect for cartoonists and stylists who create a totally original look, especially when they can make apparent amateurishness look good like Matsumoto. But I don't see very strong fundamentals in tkmiz's work. Just using your example, look at how off the perspective of the background near the top left/papers is for no real reason, to no purposeful effect. Is there any reason the papers aren't aligned? Could there be any reason the hands are (always) only barely indicated and rather malformed, except that tkmiz can't draw hands?

The thing this board often doesn't get is that, yes, you can make something look good without great fundamentals. I said tkmiz's fundamentals were lowish, not bad not great. I think that's a fair assessment based on their actual published body of work and not what I imagine they can do "if they really tried." tkmiz is a good cartoonist with good ideas and a good sense of composition and lowish fundamentals. That works for some artists.

[Anonymous No.4121913]

>>4114260
Are you retarded you piece of shit? Fundamentals means exactly what you just said, not only anatomy

[Anonymous No.4122048]

>>4121913
Keep grinding your boxes to infinity then, shitwit, see where it gets you. It amazes me I can essentially say: "be creative, because perspective and anatomy alone won't make good art--tkmiz understand this" and this is controversial on this board. Note I didn't say "never ever study fundamentals" or "tkmiz sux."
Creativity and aesthetics are most definitely not fundamentals, and if you believe simply drawing pages and pages of Loomis heads will eventually make you a good artist, you're hurting nobody but yourself. Stop treating drawing and art like fucking Runescape or some other lame shit where you grind it out early on and then you're done with that forever and it's all magic and fairy dust afterward. You're going to constantly refresh your fundamentals WHILE being creative if you want to make anything worthwhile, and any skill don't practice regularly will deteriorate. So you might as well start approaching in an open-ended, imaginative way now instead of believing once you hit a magical number of boxes, you've arrived and then you can start really drawing.

[Anonymous No.4123621]

>>4114055
>"this art is shit"
>"post art you like"
>"no it would be too much for you guys , fuck off"
kek

[Anonymous No.4123660]

>>4114049
>You'll not see Japanese people tweeting about how depressed they are and have hordes of people jerking you off and 'protecting' you.
muh japan is perfect

[Anonymous No.4123662]

>>4118689
is this supposed to show that he can draw or something cuz it aint convincing me

[Anonymous No.4123663]

>>4121224
>perspective on the top left

[Anonymous No.4125546]

>>4113822
Those boxes are very wrong. You should redo them

[Anonymous No.4126219]

>>4114055
6/10 b8