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is art history really that important?

>> No.4110995

>>4110993
no

>> No.4111000

>>4110993
yes

>> No.4111003

I liked the part where proko called marshall a racist out of nowhere. shit made me laugh.

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>>4110995
>>4111000
inb4 /thread

>> No.4111010

>>4110993

Yes. Funny how Stan comes across as the typical uneducated millenial in this episode. Dude just relax, you don't need to be such a cunty contrarian at just about everything Marshall says.

>> No.4111011

Arguably not important but iinteresting, I’m reading an art history book right now and it’s just so fascinating

>> No.4111016

>>4111010
What episode was it? I'm trying to find OP's pic at a higher res.

>> No.4111033

>>4111016

The latest one

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>>4110993
I am not a Proko hater, but he really holds this podcast back.

>> No.4111069

>>4111062
he's a person with a personality and opinions just like everyone else. people here are rock hard with hate boners just looking for someone to cum on

>> No.4111074

What was the line of teacher student that put loomies or vilppu in the line of people that learned from raphael and michealgelo?

>> No.4111079

>>4110993
Not really. But it's not a bad idea. I find the more successful artists are curious about all aspects of art, and deep dive into art history in general, because it's interesting. But you can go either way, I guess.

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>>4110993
Yes.

However, its not always important to replicate everything that took place in the past. Sometimes, it helps to know it "happened", being moderately interested in the "why it happened" and just continuing on from there.

You don't have to imitate certain art movements BUT if there is a style or technique you're struggling to perform, either in an abstract manner or in a physical manner, it doesn't help to look at these artistic periods to find out what made the art from that time the way it did.

>> No.4111214

>>4111011
Whatcha reading anon?

>> No.4111217

>>4111074
Loomis > Bridgman > Jean-Léon Gérôme > Charles Gleyre > Jean-Claude Bonnefond >
Pierre Révoil > Alexis Grongard > Donat Nonnotte > Francois Boucher >
François Lemoyne > Louis Galloche > Louis de Boullogne > Charles de La Fosse >
Charles Le Brun > François Perrier > Giovanni Lanfranco >
Agostino Carracci > Prospero Fontana > Innocenzo di Pietro Francucci da Imola >
Perino del Vaga > Ridolfo Ghirlandaio > Fra Bartolomeo > Raphael > Pietro Perugino >
Andrea del Verrocchio > ( Filippo Lippi > Masaccio|) Donatello > Lorenzo Ghiberti >
Gherardo Starnina > Antonio Veneziano > Taddeo Gaddi > Giotto

>> No.4111218

>>4110993
Art history doesn't mean anything if you aren't taught the compositional themes beyond "this artist used bright colors"

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>>4111217
Thanks a lot man

>> No.4112965

Art history is one of the most fascinating topics you can dive into. I love it

>> No.4112967

>>4111202
spyro 1 was truly a work of art. Too bad the remaster didn't utilize colors in the same way. The animations were nice/cute tho

>> No.4112972

yes but learning it will likely make you more stupid than staying your current self wanting to draw chinese cartoons.

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>>4112965
Agreed, history in general is cool but art history is the coolest.
I just love learning about former artists lives, their struggles and successes and what they left us with
>>4112972
Also agreed. It's easier to just focus in on one thing.

>> No.4112998

>>4112978
>easier to just focus
no i mean art history will confuse the fuck out of you and you'll have to refind your place in the current generation, if you even can.

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>>4111214
This :0 it focuses on history more than the art itself but it’s really intriguing to see how art changed through different eras

>> No.4113005

its important if you want to up your general knowledge scores on quizzes, but to improve your art? no not at all.

>> No.4113014

>>4113005
Maybe not fundamentally, but creativity-wise and mentally? Sure it would. Your mindset affects a lot of factors in your art, seeing a refreshing perspective or worldview from old masters throughout the generations can’t be damaging

>> No.4113020

>>4113014
I can see the benefit in visiting art galleries or just flicking through online photos of great art from history but actually studying the life stories of the artists themself, remembering dates and events and all that shit. It's useless knowledge for making art

>> No.4113022

>>4111202
It's not even about style, or technique, which is of course interesting to study, how things evolved. But it - for me - makes it interesting to study art history, because it gives the paintings a context. How society influenced the art, and how art influenced society. You can look at "The Death Of Marat", but what really makes the painting even more interesting is it's role in the politics of the day. Renaissance art is mostly intended for use in a church, as the church and patrons were the market, but understanding the rise of Humanism and other changes in society that influenced what the artists were doing makes it more interesting.
Can you be an artist without all of that? Sure. But some of us are into it. And it won't hurt you to learn it. There isn't that much emphasis on it anyway, I had to take two classes for my degree, I learned more about art history on my own, liking paintings in museums, and getting books to find out more. I don't think Maxfield Parrish was mentioned ever in my art history classes, but I saw a painting of his, and liked it, and started buying books. I did the same for Gerome, Alma Tadema, Arthur Rackham, and tons more.
And it can be gossipy, too - Maxfield Parrish lived in his studio with his model, and his wife and kids lived in the main house. That old horny bastard.

>> No.4113024

>>4113020
well if it helps you to imagine yourself in the shoes of that artists then why not

>> No.4113026

>>4113020
This is a matter of preference, as an artist I feel compelled to be more involved in the art community and study the history, movements, and ideas surrounding art. I just find it interesting, remembering useless dates and facts is completely unnecessary though, you’re right.

>> No.4113027

>>4113020
Memorizing dates isn't how art history is usually taught. The classes I took focused on the trends, styles, and schools of art, and what defined them. A typical final was like 50 general knowledge questions like general time frames, identifying 10 slides we'd seen across the semester (artist and titles), and then one slide of something we'd not seen before, and we'd have to identify the artist, and why. (One class it was an obscure Michelangelo. All you had to say is "the pose".)
Art history, in my experience, is not taught like some generic history class in high school, where you just memorize dates from the Civil War.

>> No.4113032

>>4111217
This makes the visble shift of
Italy>France>America
so clear. Neat.(Japan would probably come after america if anime is accounted for in history books lol )

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>>4113014
>art movements following modernism aren't harmful to your mental health
>there isn't tons of misdirection and revisionist history infused with rich propaganda
>rediscovering pre-impressionist thinking and leaving all that to be reintegrated with how people see now isn't going to cause any damage at all? even though there's a massive black hole explaining how we got from there to here and what happened to all the dead-end psychotic movements.
this just sounds like you're learning a few facts over an afternoon lecture than really learning the philosophies behind the art movements. i mean, if you're going about it casually it can't hurt. if you're studying art history in depth you're putting yourself at risk of rezzing problems that haunted the past that may not have been resolved, just ignored.

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>>4110993
The real question is, is what you say really that important?

>> No.4113128

>proko advertising thread

>> No.4113132

If you don't care about art history, you don't really love art. Therefore you're truly a ngmi.

>> No.4113254

>>4110993
Yes, please stop quoting a 3 year old paul joseph watson youtube rant and crackpot ARC theories.

>> No.4113339

>>4113128
>>4113254
Didnt watch the video yet but I wonder if Proko got the idea for this video by reading anons on /ic/ make fun of him for not knowing as much art history compared to Marshall?

Damn I'm two episodes behind. This show makes some of the best drawing background music to keep you in the drawing mood.

>> No.4113345

>those that dont learn about history are doomed to repeat it
so if i dont learn, then I become a famous master.
4d thinking yo.

>> No.4113355

>>4113339
Proko made a comment on how he doesn't care about art history or the old masters in a previous video that sounded really ignorant... That's probably why.

>> No.4115908

>>4110993
>is art history really that important?

Important for what exactly? Being a great painter, sculptor, illustrator, etc.? No it is not necessary, but neither is reading and writing. However I think studying art history, like learning to read and write, can make you a more intelligent and informed person/artist.

>> No.4115927

It is important since all of our knowledge of art is a culmination of knowledge gathered from the masters of the past (present day too). But the important part of art history is not knowing birthdates, commissions ,deaths, etc but understanding and learning from various styles of genres and artists of the past.

>> No.4116325

I have read "the learning code" that was recommended by marshall and there was an extract that talked about a genius boom, IIRC it was on greece, florence and england.

The only well documented was on the Renaissance in florence and speak of how all the genius were all following a mentor, they deduced that a good guide can make wonders. Now if you see >>4111217 then you might see its true for them. Nowadays in the digital era, i see people improving really fast like kim jung gi. I don't know how he learn only that he practiced a lot, and esentially the book just reinforces the statement of "practice makes perfect" which might be the only thing KJG needed to reach his level. Also if anybody is interested is not just practice, is making errors and try to see how to correct them. Literally is practice deliberately and stop when you find an error, think and correct and repeat. This works for sports and mucisians too.

anyway im curious of who would be the succesor of Loomies.

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