again, men are trash and shouldn’t be allowed to draw women

[Anonymous No.4110017]

>5.1K RTs
>28.7K RTs
>Artist of the original pic is actually a women

How is it that twatter manages to be getting worse and worse lately? Now the current "drama" in the western art community is about male comic artists not drawing women "realistically" enough and making their boobs and asses too big. Did the tumblr migration really take that much of a toll?

Is it even worth trying to make it in the western art community if you're not trying to make money? Any of your art could eventually be targeted by an angry twitter mob. Now people are harassing artists about drawing "sexy" versions of aged up characters.

[Anonymous No.4110021]

why don't you just draw instead of wasting your time and attention and subsequently shitposting to waste the time and attention of others?

[Anonymous No.4110026]

>>4110021
fpbp

[Anonymous No.4110033]

>not pretending to be a poc tranny to get carte blanche to draw anything

[Anonymous No.4110039]

>>4110033
I doubt you will get that far. Fucking contrapoints got cancelled despite being massively popular and a socialist tranny

[Anonymous No.4110074]

>>4110017
I think if people checked out the profiles of accounts like this, they'd see a pattern and wouldn't be surprised. In fact, go ahead and look now. See how often they're on Twitter, retweeting and replying to shit. These people are addicted to social media and outrage and probably are unwell in the head. Most of what they say never goes anywhere, but outrage stuff like this often goes viral. You can imagine that must provide the most wonderful dopamine hit for them, encouraging the behavior. Twitter isn't the problem per se, it's just that it gives loons a platform along with the rest of the relatively more sane population.

[Anonymous No.4110078]

>>4110017
This has always been a thing, except it's actually better now because being attacked by an angry twitter mob is great exposure.

I love how self-contradictory her response is.

[Anonymous No.4110093]

>>4110017
>"if you say 'not all men,' you are the problem"
>"some of my favorite artists are men"
Uhhhhh... Is she retarded or trolling?

[Anonymous No.4110112]

>>4110017
it's some offended twitter nobody
they don't even draw

[Anonymous No.4110113]

>>4110017
Nice Drama/Community Vendettas post, It'd be a real shame if it was against the rules.

[Anonymous No.4110122]

>>4110093
by saying not all men you're deflecting that it's a problem generally, even if they've set up the discussion in this shitty, dumbfuck way. that's how they see it.
when people like this say 'men are trash' they're either talking in the abstract (socialisation, roleplay, etc.) or they just mean a lot of men.

[Anonymous No.4110135]

>>4110017
>Is it even worth trying to make it in the western art community
What is your goal? To draw well and get paid or twitter likes? These aren't mutual things necessary. Grow up.
>>4110021
>>4110026
these

[Anonymous No.4110138]

>>4110017
kek, does she not know that there are plenty of women fujos drawing bara in japan???

and also exaggerating the male form???

[Anonymous No.4110159]

Going to try to make this shitty thread into something constructive. What would be the best way to stop twitter SJW outrage mobs on the spot if you become a target?

[Anonymous No.4110171]

>>4110159
Do a ProJared. Go ghost on everybody till it starts to die down, while you wait for that you get recipts of everything you've been accused of to prove your innocence and as much evidence to discredit your main accusers as possible. If the outrage mob loves anything more than a witch-hunt, it's a reversal.

Also never tie your identity to anything. Be like Shäd. If he got banned then all he'd have to do is switch up his style a lil bit (or claim to be a fan, since he's already trained a few lackeys in his style) and make new accounts for everything. Nobody knows his face or even much of his body so he can't get banned from jobs or conventions either.

[Anonymous No.4110189]

>>4110159
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. When you see everybody flinging shit about some controversy on twitter, just keep your mouth shut. The second you take a side on literally anything, the other side WILL come after you, especially if you're popular and doing so will get them attention.

Stay In Your Fucking Lane. That's my rule and it's worked out very well over the years

[Anonymous No.4110197]

>>4110039
Mind giving me the quick rundown?

Cancel culture is a fucking meme.

[Anonymous No.4110199]

>>4110021
Based

[Anonymous No.4110202]

>>4110159
Don't respond. The moment you make a post apologizing anything, you've lost

[Anonymous No.4110204]

>>4110197
she didn't pander hard enough to her tranny audience.
she doesn't have the typical liberal position so she has to say 'ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE VALID ALL OF THE TIME NO MATTER WHAT' every couple days to cover her ass or people will fucking hound her.

[Anonymous No.4110206]

>>4110202
acknowledging anything*

[Anonymous No.4110208]

>>4110159
Unironically *just* draw.

What I mean by that is just post art and do nothing else. Don't pick sides in arguments, don't post your hot opinions, don't reveal personal info. Hell, even posting your art here (i.e. being able to be traced back to 4chan) is a risk on its own.

Admittedly this all comes with the downside of less attention because the West likes attaching a personality and face to everybody.

[Anonymous No.4110260]

>>4110017
Imagine going in front of an artist and grandstanding this way. What happened to basic respect and mannerisms? If someone did this in public they'd get weird stares and told to go away. This is what living on Twitter leads people to behave.

[Anonymous No.4110263]

>>4110260
The irony of this post is unreal

[Anonymous No.4110267]

>>4110263
Explain.

[Anonymous No.4110271]

>>4110267
/ic/ has daily grandstanding threads. You're literally in a church of social media grandstanding while complaining about that very thing

[Anonymous No.4110277]

>>4110017
they are irrelevant
they are not your target audience
they want you to despair
they want you to bend the knee to their whims

just create beautiful art and let them weep into their oblivion

[Anonymous No.4110278]

>>4110271
This is a low traffic anonymous anime imageboard. There's no attachment to identity here. Secondly this person is rudely saying the artist is trash, directly to the artist here, and getting a ton of approval for her(?) behaviour which is more of the problem here.

[Anonymous No.4110283]

>>4110078
Ironically I think Saki is one of the few artists too popular to benefit from it. Would be neat to be proven wrong though.

[Anonymous No.4110284]

>>4110208
This
This is how you prevent it, there is no better way

Also it might be a hard pill to swallow but people don’t care about your personal life, your thoughts or opinions, if they follow you for art then they only want the art so doing anything except just posting art is bad for you in the long term because all you do is risk pissing people off with your opinions and retweets etc.

Look at sakimichan, you can dislike her all you want but she is smart, people make threads to crab on her but because she only posts art she doesn’t give them ammo to do worse. Right now she is getting shit on twitter for ageing up minors and people are coming to defend her and telling those people to fuck off because she stays quiet and doesn’t respond to that shit. In like two weeks people will forget they cared and it will not damage her in the slightest.
I have watched many other popular artists do this too and they are always the ones in the least amount of shit possible. Watch what other people are doing and take notes.

[Anonymous No.4110302]

>>4110074
based

[Anonymous No.4110307]

>>4110017
on behalf of my gender id like to apoligize to all women (and nonbinaries)

We need to do better men!

edit: thanks for the gold kind stranger!!!

[Anonymous No.4110309]

>>4110017
All that pisses me off is that reporting them doesn't do anything.

[Anonymous No.4110311]

>>4110309
Modern web has 0 moderation.
Personally, I’ve checked out and just have a blog on my site and use social media to only post art.

[Anonymous No.4110312]

>>4110277
this is true

but how do you stop these fools, since after all they are annoying and shameless to the limit

[Anonymous No.4110315]

desu the anatomy and pose are shit. you could do a good version of this drawing with as much titty as you want but this one is just poverty capeshit trash. western comics aren't worth saving.
>>4110271
/ic/ is a critique board.

[Anonymous No.4110319]

>>4110017
I HAVE AN OPINION

-literally who?-

[Anonymous No.4110326]

>>4110319
not gonna lie the fact that is has 29k(!) likes scares me. i know its a small extremely vocal group but id be scared to have 29k frothing libs coming down on me even if its only the web

[Anonymous No.4110329]

>>4110326
that's the internet dude. rightwingers also brigade and they're just as retarded.

[Anonymous No.4110334]

>>4110315
>It's okay when we do it because of what it says on the tin
Twitter is an opinion website. Your point?

[Anonymous No.4110335]

>>4110329
they get banned en masse tho
I have reported people in the comics industry who said literally "KILL ALL MEN" and they're both still active AND working at Dark Horse.

[Anonymous No.4110338]

>>4110335
they really don't though. the only people who get banned are the ones who spark controversy; if you talk nice, you don't get banned
ban evasion is also the easiest thing on the planet-- everybody does it, it doensn't matter. things like this are all for show, no matter what.
if someone is genuinely punished, it's the outlier in order to prove that the rule doesn't exist; this is what it means to be part of the modern world.

so you didn't get lucky, the person you wanted didn't get fired in order to save face. You didn't generate enough interest then, tough luck bud-- try being more popular next time.

[Anonymous No.4110341]

>>4110338
>You didn't generate enough interest then, tough luck bud-- try being more popular next time.
I have never replied to nor mentioned any of these shitheads, I just report them and boycott the company they work for.

[Anonymous No.4110342]

>>4110159

Be like James Rolfe. Never apologize. Never explain. in fact, don't even talk about it.

If you're famous, your fans will defend you, and you'll probably end up more popular and famous than when the whole fiasco started.

If you're not famous, 99% of people will go "who?" and move on with their lives.

Alternatively, be like RedLetterMedia. Shameless, callous, and uncaring. If you treat your enemies with appropriate contempt, they will have no power over you. Remember that Patton Oswalt tried to join the dogpile on James Rolfe, got burned, backed off, and was recently a guest on RLM, who bashed Ghostbuster 2016 harder than anybody, because nobody actually cares that much.

James Gunn is back directing Guardians. JonTron's career survived. Dave Chappelle is still famous and popular, in spite of recent controversies. Mel Gibson still gets to make movies, though he'll never be a leading man again.

The moment you become a mewling, self-flagellating, mea culpa spewing little toad is the moment you're done for.

[Anonymous No.4110343]

>>4110341
no shit you didn't get anything done then. companies won't take action unless they think it generates more profit than it loses them. are you really applying moral standards to companies? expecting consistency? how naive can you be?

[Anonymous No.4110353]

>>4110343
I'm just looking at their terms of service, but you're right.
Unrelated but yesterday I wanted to get into podcasts and reading radios, I downloaded a completely random episode of "PodCastle", a fantasy podcast, played it, the first words were an introduction of a short story by author, a "queer immigrant", stopped there. Why is this shit so important now? Maybe I should just forget about entertainment. Are there any hobbies not dominated by trannies and dykes where this shit isn't ever brought up? building ships in a bottle? stamp collecting? homebrewing tequila?

[Anonymous No.4110355]

>>4110353
>stamp collecting?

[Anonymous No.4110365]

>>4110017
the funny part is, I know more women that look like comic book women (fit and big-breasted) than men that look like comic book men.

But it's only a problem when meeeeen draw them, right?

[Anonymous No.4110366]

>>4110353
Try having less faggy hobbies? never hear about these clowns with hobbies i have thar make you go outside like lifting or fencing. hell i never see these people outside anywhere unless i would go the the capital here(Amsterdam, they seem to congregate there but dont exist outside of it)

[Anonymous No.4110368]

>>4110366
>Try having less faggy hobbies?
comics and ttrpgs were not faggot hobbies a decade ago...

[Anonymous No.4110370]

>>4110335
They get banned en masse and yet the code monkeys working on the block-bots are still massively in demand. Yep. Sure. There's simultaneously enough hardcore right wingers to have unique block lists 10k people long and masses of right wingers getting banned just daily, but not enough bans for those block lists to ever run out of people.

[Anonymous No.4110375]

>>4110368
They were inclusive hobbies. All the nerds and outcasts were welcome to enjoy comics and tabletop way back when. Then the nerd and outcast group partially became lgbt and so comics and tabletop became full of lgbt. Maybe instead of trying to bully them and further make them outcasts the quicker solution is to just accept them as normal and then there will stop being social movements to give them that acceptance
>>4110353
>Why is this shit so important now?
It was always. You just didn't see it. Stonewall happened in the 60s dude.

[Anonymous No.4110380]

>>4110208
this

[Anonymous No.4110386]

>>4110375
>Maybe instead of trying to bully them and further make them outcasts the quicker solution is to just accept them as normal and then there will stop being social movements to give them that acceptance
You disingenuous fucking faggot dyke tranny, you know very well that you're not trying to be included, you were always included, you're trying to exclude normal people from playing
I don't want to play ttrpg with your faggot tranny goblin trying to get gay marriage accepted in the kingdom instead of taking down the evil lich
I'm so fucking sick of people broadcasting their custom gender and pronouns and other gay shit, keep it for yourself

[Anonymous No.4110392]

>>4110386
>You disingenuous fucking faggot dyke tranny, you know very well that you're not trying to be included,
Nice strawman you got there. I'm glad that we're not devolving into flinging insults instead of addressing the arguments.
>you were always included, you're trying to exclude normal people from playing
Why are you insisting that you know the motivations of every LGBT person on earth? Why are you trying to pretend that it's a fucking hivemind? Gay kids get bullied in school, so they go hang with the nerd kids because the nerd kids are chill about them. That's what I'm describing here. I'm not saying that nerd hobbies bullied anyone, I'm saying the opposite. Chill the fuck out
>I don't want to play ttrpg with your faggot tranny goblin trying to get gay marriage accepted in the kingdom instead of taking down the evil lich
I didn't know that I played tranny goblins. I though I was playing a street sam with a renraku vendetta. Weird.
>I'm so fucking sick of people broadcasting their custom gender and pronouns and other gay shit, keep it for yourself
So what you're saying is that you're cool with the straight dudes fucking wenches after every quest but if a gay person invades your safe space you get triggered? But then when the sperglords bully the fags away they then you have the nerve to make threads questioning why the fags want to all hang out with each other in their """safe space""" instead of playing with (you)

[Anonymous No.4110393]

>>4110375
>Maybe instead of trying to bully them and further make them outcasts the quicker solution is to just accept them as normal and then there will stop being social movements to give them that acceptance
Their definition of acceptance is at the core of this issue.
>X will never feel accepted as long as Z still features those disgusting sexist depiction of idealized women figure
>X will never feel accepted as long as Z has these awful jokes
>X will never be accepted as long as X, who goes out of their way to define themselves by their status in BBQ movement, keeps getting trash-talk messages that keep referring to them being BBQ

[Anonymous No.4110398]

>>4110386
kinda agree with this anon

all the gays and whatnot were already a widely accepted thing since the 70's. No one should be discriminated because of whom they love, and I think most people agree with that.

But that's not really the issue, the issue are these new age tumblresque multi-gender generation who literally want to become real life fantasy animals, want to have all the rights and privileges (even more than normal people) no questions asked because they "deserve it" for some unknown reason, furthermore all the social interaction online as well as how people think, needs to be tailored in their favor and by their selfish preferences.

Their behavior by itself is bordering on dictatorship and the abolishment of free speech and expression, pretty ironic considered they are always the loudest when it comes to screeching about hitler.

[Anonymous No.4110403]

>>4110392
I was all for inclusivity until you started poisoning everything by making what you have in your pants the most important aspect of society. Yes it's a hivemind when every single progressive tard has a fucking rainbow flag and weird pronouns in the profile. It's disgusting when people are getting hired/published based on the fucking misshapen cloaca they have between their legs or some other dumb fucking shit they make sure to broadcast 1 second upon introducing themselves. It's disgusting when people can openly hate white, straight men and get away with it. I hate you all. I regret ever supporting gay rights. You never wanted to be accepted, you wanted to get on top of the social ladder without merit.

[Anonymous No.4110409]

>>4110393
You're talking about a strawman at worst and a very specific kind of blue-check twitter gay at best. That's like someone going to /asp/ and assuming that all anons are monster guzzling spergs that orbit asian wrestlers and spout hulk hogan catchphrases all day
>>4110403
>until you
Who is you?
>Yes it's a hivemind when every single progressive tard has a fucking rainbow flag and weird pronouns in the profile.
>Yes it's a hivemind when every single anon has a fucking pepe image and says faggot all the time
See how easy this strawman shit is? Not all lgbt use Twitter and not all of them are the 40k follower blue-check mafia. You're talking about a very select group of annoying people.
>It's disgusting when people are getting hired/published based on the fucking misshapen cloaca they have
Nepotism has existed since the dawn of mankind.
>It's disgusting when people can openly hate white, straight men and get away with it.
Why are you pretending that everyone is cool with hating whites? You're so fucking buttblasted about the sheeple on twitter that you're in a blind fit of copypasta rage

[Anonymous No.4110414]

>>4110409
>You're talking about a strawman at worst and a very specific kind of blue-check twitter gay at best.
Is that bitch in OP a strawman? Are 30k people liking and retweeting her shit also a strawman?

[Anonymous No.4110415]

>>4110284
I see no issue with aging up some fictional characters. I would just tell those tards to kys.