/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4031326]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wdDk7KvvKw

Is your family supportive of your interest in art?

[Anonymous No.4031339]

>>4031326
yeah i was a talented lad

[Anonymous No.4031367]

>>4031326
No, it's expensive as fuck to work at it enough to get better.

[Anonymous No.4031385]

>>4031326
>Unsupportive parents and toxic environments
This hits extremely close to home. Not exactly with drawing, but with video games. I used to be very good at a particularly video game. Extremely good in fact.
It was League of Legends. 4-5 years ago I hovered between top 2-300 constantly in EUW but due to my dad's very negative view towards me playing video games all the day, I felt very demotivated and ashamed. So yeah, I stopped pursuing it even though my dream was to go pro one day. Having unsupportive parents and/or being in a toxic enviornment is soul crushing if you're passionate about something.

/blog

[Anonymous No.4031394]

>>4031326
For art college they went with the "we only want you to get a degree" route. For me growing up and doing art as a hobby they just saw it as a hobby. I didn't get an art degree though, went into CS.
My parents where a bit to supportive at times though. When I was a teen my parents forced me to show them my sketches (not asked, but they literally refused to leave the room until I did). At that point I was really selfconcius over my art and I didn't want to show my parents, but they wanted me to. I showed them my art and I recall after that I almost considered quiting art.

[Anonymous No.4031409]

>>4031326
Yeah, they've always been. I owe a lot to them, I wouldn't be where I am now without them supporting me through high school, art college, all the way until I started making money with my art.

[Anonymous No.4031411]

>>4031326
it took me 25 years to find out what i really want to do with my life so it does make sense for my family not to be supportive of me dropping my software engineering degree to become an illustrator

[Anonymous No.4031422]

>>4031326
childhood wasn't respected, let alone any interest path. picking up art late age only meant passive harassment and the long upward battle through buried mental illness.

[Anonymous No.4031448]

no

[Anonymous No.4031453]

>>4031326
I want to piss on Proko's face

[Anonymous No.4031496]

These podcasts are amazing. Marshall always has valuable information. I also love Proko's eagerness to learn and overall "awkward" wholesomeness. They work really well together.

[meillamoSENOS No.4031498]

Parents are not supportive of me considering I recently got a degree in a career (that I hate) and now I want nothing to do with it. They already don't support me of my new career but they would hang me by my toes if they knew that I wanted to be a hentai artist

[Anonymous No.4031530]

i wonder why people still watch this shit?
one cant draw a simple cylinder without using a reference and the other can't draw at all
>but muharshalls voice
what are you, a faggot?
these scammers talk big game but they go nothing on their resume!
dont waste ur time.

[Anonymous No.4031533]

>>4031530
k

[Anonymous No.4031553]

>>4031326
yes, and they're intrusive.

[Anonymous No.4031562]

>>4031530
absolutely seething
pyw weeblet

[Anonymous No.4031586]

>>4031530
Cope

[Anonymous No.4031627]

>>4031326

[Anonymous No.4031702]

I love them.
They don't cover anything I don't know, but playing their podcast while I paint both gives me a genuine productivity boost and makes me enjoy the work and eager for the process so much more than my default work feels. The talks just feel really positive and comfortable man, and I appreciate their availability a bunch.

[Anonymous No.4031708]

I love Marshall's book recommendations

[Anonymous No.4031742]

>>4031530
>one cant draw a simple cylinder without using a reference and the other can't draw at all

That's so bizarre I don't even know which one you're speaking of in regards to either point.

[Anonymous No.4031757]

>>4031411

How are things going for you? I also figured out I wanted to do this stuff for a living when I was 25 and I'm 30 now. I finally got a semi-ok-ish paying freelance gig working on a silly children's game even though I usually do realistic work. Hoping to get some full-time, in-house work soon so I can really start focusing on this shit.

Why didn't you just do your degree to have some job security along with your illustration career? I always regret not having a second career so I end up doing really horrible jobs on the side just to keep myself afloat (working as a karaoke host / Gamestop whore / anything else that doesn't require my full, daily attention).

Anyways, if you're young and you're looking to pursue and you're not some "Rainman", just get good at something else so you have some financial security to keep your family happy! Learn how to be a chef or a bartender or whatever just so you can be sure you can support yourself while you're practicing.

[Anonymous No.4031798]

>>4031326
>Is your family supportive of your interest in art?
Are you literally proko because this sounds exactly like every comment he makes on one of his vids.

[Anonymous No.4031817]

>>4031530
>one cant draw a simple cylinder even when he's using a reference
FTFY
Marshall is a much better artist than Proko, even if his work is a bit childish.

[Anonymous No.4031818]

>>4031326
As a hobby yes, as a career no. Whole family sat down and had an intervention with me when I said I wanted to major in art.

[Anonymous No.4031830]

>>4031326
>toxic

[Anonymous No.4031835]

>Kids who grow up in a healthy environment with mentors who encourage them to explore their identities and develop healthy emotional boundaries have a serious advantage over kids who grow up in an emotionally abusive / traumatic environment. The difference is basically like having an inner parent in your head constantly saying, "you can do it if you set your mind to it; it's ok to fail, just try it again" versus "you're worthless, you're a failure, you shouldn't even try, you aren't important so no one wants to see your doodles." It's called Complex Post-Traumatic Stress and it stays with you until you overcome it through emotional literacy and re-parenting yourself. CPTSD causes "emotional flashbacks" that cause you to dissociate (procrastinate / ADD / ADHD / and other wonderful self-destructive behaviors) when you get triggered by difficult and traumatic situations. E.G. playing video games instead of drawing, browsing Reddit instead of drawing, literally doing anything besides the thing you want to do the most ~ creating art. In the War of Art by Steven Pressfield, he calls this "Resistance" which is a more accessible and less psychoanalytical term for dissociation / procrastination. TL;DR: people don't often factor in the possibility that the reason you struggle with being productive might be due to invisible emotional neglect from a toxic childhood environment.

lmao these are the copelords we have to compete with

all you have to do is not be such a massive cuck and you will make it

[Anonymous No.4031837]

hi proko. tell marshall i said hi keep up the good work on the podcast.

[Anonymous No.4031862]

>>4031835
>people with mental illness just need to ignore issues and push through it

literally a coping strategy, you moron.

[Anonymous No.4031879]

>>4031817
I don't know if you people can see it, but this is reallyyyy good, is at the level asked to be visdev at Disney nowadays.
>>4031530
Go back to your manga, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.4031880]

>>4031530
pyw

[Anonymous No.4031884]

>>4031702
Same. I feel like they go off topic way too quickly, even in this one they didn't really explore or give great advice on dealing with an unsupportive family but I still really just enjoy hearing them ramble about random stuff. Marshall is a great foil to Proko and they make a surprisingly good team.

[Anonymous No.4031903]

>>4031530
Always gonna be that 1 crab.

[Anonymous No.4031906]

>>4031879
Never said his work was bad. It's mostly simple concepts like stuff you'd see in 80s or 90s teen books and magazines.

[Anonymous No.4031913]

>>4031906
Yeah dude, sure.

[Anonymous No.4031915]

>>4031385
>>Unsupportive parents and toxic environments
>This hits extremely close to home.
pun intended?

[Anonymous No.4032116]

>>4031817
For a "draftsman" whos been drawing for 30 years
this is really embarrassing, what the fuk is even going on haha

[Anonymous No.4032138]

>>4032116
pyw crab

[Anonymous No.4032208]

>>4032138
you first nigger

[Anonymous No.4032240]

>>4031903
Stop spamming your shitty OC Mr. Purin.

[Anonymous No.4032250]

>>4031326
I was the last person in my family with a job. Everyone else was no longer working / doing free lance. They were very proud of me when I retired early to pursue art

[Anonymous No.4032253]

My mom is supportive, my dad thinks its a waste of time and tries to push me to business school and working a regular job, but im way to far deep into this shit to become a normy.

[Anonymous No.4032555]

>>4032116
I hope for this to be bait, but im not expecting any intelligent comment from the weeb fucks of /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4032838]

Proko, stop trying to change the subject or worry about the time. It always seems like you want to get on to the next part instead of letting Marshall say what he has to. And when you do contribute it's not a mature thing, comes off as very immature.

[Anonymous No.4032854]

>>4032838
thats rich from a kid using an anime board

[Anonymous No.4032880]

>>4032854
How so?

[Anonymous No.4035048]

>>4032838

100% agreed.

>>4032854

What the fuck are you even talking about kid?

[Anonymous No.4035970]

I wish all comments were separated by Male/Female/Trannies on this subject, since it's a completely different world of expectations, with men receiving more of the grownup kind of pressure and women having more le emotional meltdowns such as >>4031835 due to our different architectures, which bring different obstacles.

Toxic is also a word that is only ever used in this context by pathetic people, >>4031830 is correct.

[Anonymous No.4036040]

>>4031326
I am the failure of the house and I get ignored when I talk, I get told to stay away when there are guests. and the rest of my extended family talks over me. They actively avoid looking at my drawings and they only express that I should get a real job.
I'll keep uselessly drawing for 2 likes a piece and avoid wageslaving at all costs until I get kicked or my mother dies, then I'll an hero. I tried wageslaving and I couldn't resist a week, so there's no alternative. I know I'm never going to make it but I don't have any other purpose in my life and I would be dead without art. I think the amount of disappointment and economic difficulties I'm giving to my family by existing is greater than the grief of suicide.
The only way I have to avoid this outcome is to become somebody in this field but there are 0% chances this will happen. I just think of myself like I'm terminally ill and living on borrowed time.

[Anonymous No.4036049]

>>4031798
every single youtuber does this to "engage the audience"

[Anonymous No.4036052]

>>4031326
My parents always pushed me to more lucrative pursuits but I always liked drawing. Now that I'm 33 and my life is a bit settled, I've started taking drawing seriously because it relaxes me and I enjoy learning things. My wife is very supportive and it makes all the difference.

[Anonymous No.4036069]

Fuck Marshall, he didn't elaborate much on the "supportive family" that becomes a problem.

My parents let me do whatever I want and think my drawings are above industry standard (they are "top beg" at best). But all this freedom comes with a complete lack of real interest in what I do, dad is always trying to push me into wageslaving at some soulless graphic design project that has little to do with drawing and more with vectorizing logos and typesetting magazines.

They think there's a button somewhere I can press to shit out a Pixar movie, but I haven't done it because I don't want to.

At this point my immediate goal, along with gitting gud, is having an audience that gives a shit about the content of what I draw, cause otherwise I can derive no satisfaction from my art and find the motivation to improve.

I'm almost 30yo and MAD JELLY of 12yo deviantart girls gleefully trading OCs and giving them new clothes and magic closed species (TM) pets.