Opinions on Proko?

[Anonymous No.4023101]

[Anonymous No.4023106]

>>4023101
Everyone's onnahole.

[Anonymous No.4023109]

>>4023101
He is extremely useful and appreciated.

[Anonymous No.4023143]

If you are a visual learner and an absolute beginner, his gesture/figure drawing course is extremely helpful. I study his course and Watts Atelier's figure drawing course at the same time and improved a lot.

[Anonymous No.4023279]

Great for technical fundies. Hes so used to doing atelier style fine art that hes really bad at dynamicism and imaginative fiction. I love his Draftsman series and im glad hes decided to focus on the business side of things as much as he has, especially with a 2 year old. Marshall Vandruff is a treasure.

[Anonymous No.4023280]

kangaroo.jpeg

[Anonymous No.4023319]

>>4023101
A fraud.
A businessman first an artist second.

[Anonymous No.4023322]

>>4023319
In what way is he a fraud

[Anonymous No.4023326]

>>4023322
He can’t draw

[Anonymous No.4023335]

>>4023326
I mean, he clearly can draw. And even if he couldnt, how would that make him a fraud?

Got some sand in your buhgina?

[Anonymous No.4023338]

>>4023322
He sells courses on the human figure and anatomy yet had to fucking trace (not reference, trace) to make this fucking shit in 2 hours.
The courses he sells are almost word for word copy pasted insight from other teachers like Hamtpon.
What that other anon up there said is true, for a week 1 absolute beginner watching his videos IS helpful, but only because he lowered the subjects just so the lowest common normie can understand them.
The Kangaroo abortion stream was not.a fluke, he CANT draw.
If only there was an anatomy equivalent of James Gurney in youtube. His videos are FAR more insightful whil being very modest.
>>4023335
Woah, nice study bro. So fucking impressive.

[Anonymous No.4023343]

>>4023109
proko detected

[Anonymous No.4023345]

>>4023338
Oh so youre a bitter bitch who moves the goalposts whenever youre proven wrong got it. Pyw loser

[Anonymous No.4023346]

>>4023279
If I were a billionaire, I would hire Marshall to come to my house and talk about random shit all day. Dude's voice and the way he tells stories is just mesmerizing.

[Anonymous No.4023364]

they all suck
sinix is the only good art youtuber

[Anonymous No.4023366]

>>4023346
He wouldn’t waste his time with you no matter how much money you paid him

[Anonymous No.4023369]

>>4023345
>>4020130
I'm no good but alteast I know his shitty videos are far less insightful thank the books he rips off. Now you post your work faggot.

[Anonymous No.4023395]

Is he the fetus guy

[Anonymous No.4023402]

>>4023369
Hmm dogshit bitter mentality and dogshit art
Its almost like theres a connection

[Anonymous No.4023414]

>>4023101
>>4023279
This, I look at proko when i want to refresh fundies. he's easy to digest too.

[Anonymous No.4023423]

>>4023101

[Anonymous No.4023432]

>>4023143
Pyw

[Anonymous No.4023438]

>>4023402
Your words hold 0 value if you don't post your work

[Anonymous No.4023442]

>>4023414

[Anonymous No.4023443]

>>4023442
Meant for
>>4023402

[Anonymous No.4023452]

>>4023338
its rough when u don't have daddy Court Jones to draw everything for you

[Anonymous No.4023629]

he is just another teacher, the things Proko teachs are useful fundamentales that you CANT skip, so either you listen to his courses, or go and take the funds somewhere else, for absolute newbies he is golden, easy to digest info, good examples andboiled down to the most basic, usually the first step is where most of the drawfags concede on drawing, to avoiding that with Proko is good.
if you dont like him, then dont buy his courses, get his free info for free on jewtube, or pirate it, or just take the fundies with another guy, if you are just going to discard him for not knowing how to draw kangaroo you must be a weaboo teenager, he is an atellier guy, he is not the fucking Aaron Blaise to have a massive visual library, I would worry if he wouldnt be able to draw the human figure from imagination.

[Anonymous No.4023653]

>>4023629
Then why the fuck didn't he do a human body from imagination in his imagination stream? Why go and try to do something difficult like a fucking Kangaroo instead of something like pic related?
Reminder that he also tried to do a minion in that stream and it looked lile the average shit doodle you can find by week 1 /beg/gars.
>He's an atelier guy
Not when you teach and sell courses that touches the subjext of drawing from imagination.
>I would worry if he woumdnt be able to draw the human figure from imagination
He can't. See >>4023338.

[Anonymous No.4023669]

>>4023101
Gay retard

[Anonymous No.4023676]

>>4023629
>he is an atelier guy
The problem is that almost no one on /ic/ wants to be an atelier guy. Almost no one makes a living from being an atelier guy. So people should know what the expected outcomes are if they follow his methods.

[Anonymous No.4023681]

>>4023653
what is this method and where can i find more of these?

[Anonymous No.4023682]

>>4023676
So learning anatomy from an in-depth course is useless gotcha

[Anonymous No.4023686]

>>4023682
From someone who can't draw it from imagination to save his life, yes it is.

[Anonymous No.4023690]

>>4023682
Autistically studying anatomy for years while never attempting to draw anything from imagination is useless.
I'm not saying that Proko's courses are bad, or that he isn't good at the areas of art he's focused on. I'm just saying that he obviously hasn't put much effort into the aspects of art that most people care about, and people learning from him should be wary of ending up like him.

[Anonymous No.4023702]

>>4023101
I've been enjoying his podcast, It feels more lighthearted compared to bobby chiu's which I like on days I don't feel up to grinding. Are there any other podcast out there that update semi frequently? I enjoy stories about the struggle

[Anonymous No.4023704]

>>4023690
How much anatomy studying should one do? I’m currently going through an in-depth anatomy book and I hope to finish it by tomorrow. Should I start drawing from imagination after that or is using references for body parts/ backgrounds fine?

[Anonymous No.4023706]

>>4023101
In my opinion not an artist, he lacks imagination. Copying a photo reference is not impressive and I was disappointed when he revealed his lack of creativity. His YT-channel has helpful videos about anatomy, but too much info is held behind a paywall. I think that’s wrong considering he’s most of the time regurgitating what someone else said.

[Anonymous No.4023710]

>>4023704
once you have learned anatomy you should go and do "ecorches" of some relevant sculptures/drawings/painting, to see if you can really identfy muscles, once you feel like you have the grasp on it go and do some drawings of your own brew.

>It feels more lighthearted compared to bobby chiu's which I like on days I don't feel up to grinding

Dude, the podcast of Chiu are really useful, most of the time he interviews artist of high relevance for the /ic/ interests, game visdevs and so on, you just have to get used to his very boring and sometimes annoying way of interview.

[Anonymous No.4023781]

>>4023690
He tells you to practice doing every part from imagination after you do it from a reference if you want to draw from imagination.but hey you do you

[Anonymous No.4023797]

>>4023432
Captured from my IG, 3 weeks in.

[Anonymous No.4023812]

>>4023797
3 weeks and you made more progress than 90% of ic gj anon

[Anonymous No.4023835]

>>4023797
good work anon, keep going, I suggest studying anatomy, the femur doesn't work like that.

[Anonymous No.4023841]

>>4023835
>anon is studying figure drawing and anatomy
>nice you should study anatomy
huh ?

[Anonymous No.4023851]

>>4023841
Posting on instagram and 4chan, I don't think he's studying anatomy, I speak from experience.

[Anonymous No.4023853]

>>4023851
maybe you should stop projecting then anon

[Anonymous No.4023860]

>>4023812
Thanks a lot anon
>>4023835
>>4023841
Thanks, actually I'm planning to study through the Watts Online program and join a live sketching/anatomy class.

[Anonymous No.4023861]

>>4023704
not as much as ppl tell you to do, you just need enough to make a basic figure, practice a lot of portraits to make an appealing face and study butt load of painting and compositions

[Anonymous No.4023864]

>>4023101
what is it about slow boards that people see the need to post the same topic at least once a month?
>kangaroo
>good teacher
>i hate him
>fundamentals
>i like him
next thread.

[Anonymous No.4023873]

>>4023851
Yeah, you are right, I only have a very very basic understanding about anatomy and proportion. I tried to study anatomy along side but it was just overwhelming. I think a class with live models and instant feedback from teachers is a better option to study anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4023879]

>>4023851
And I posted on IG just to keep track of my practices and it is a way to discipline myself.

[Anonymous No.4023882]

>>4023686
Doesn't matter if Proko can draw anything from imagination well since most people go to him for his anatomy courses, which is as clinical and scientific as drawing gets. Drawing from imagination is not a requirement to teach anatomy and how to apply it to drawing, because accuracy is everything it has to be learned first from a model. He can do that extremely well, and if he presents it in a way that's easy to learn from then that can be applied to anything else you draw. Literally the only thing stopping you from drawing what Proko teaches from imagination is just not drawing it from memory after you learned it.

[Anonymous No.4023888]

I can't respect anyone who uses Chiller as the font for their logo.

[Anonymous No.4024568]

>>4023143
>visual learner
American education.

[Anonymous No.4024584]

>>4024568
If you’re not a visual learner you are ngmi go become a musician or some shit

[Anonymous No.4024735]

Why is Marshall wasting his time on this hack fraud's show? He should have his own show.

[Anonymous No.4024741]

>>4024735
Marshall is also a hack, he cant draw or paint, a perfect match for each other

[Anonymous No.4024746]

>>4024741
why he cant draw or paint?

[Anonymous No.4024751]

>>4024568
Nigga, I'm not from America. And what's wrong with "visual learning"? Drawing is literally a visual art form, fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.4024766]

As a teacher, Proko is helpful if you're stuck on something you learned from Vippu or Loomis and need help visualizing what they're talking about. Otherwise, skip his videos. Especially his paid content is which literally the same as the shit he posts on his channel. Modern Day James does a much better job at helping you imagine 3D forms and his vids are free.

As an artist, Proko is mediocre at best and a prime example of someone who's all technique but zero creativity. His portfolio is very generic, just photo copies, posed models (from Watts Atelier) and no commissioned work. The fact that he hasn't created a new painting in like 10 years is a sign that his heart isn't really in it.

>>4023888
underrated post

[Anonymous No.4024772]

>>4024766
I went to his site and see his traditional paintings, I have never seen weaker compositions on a profesional artist before, nobody can have the brain this dry after studyng, talking, seeing art for so freaking long, it is just impossible.

http://www.stanprokopenko.com/available.php

[Anonymous No.4024835]

I honestly feel scammed

[Anonymous No.4024836]

>>4024772
The composition is awful but the brushwork really really annoys me

[Anonymous No.4024837]

>>4024836
How come?

[Anonymous No.4024838]

>>4024835
All his paid content is very similar in scooe and depth to his free vids desu.

[Anonymous No.4024844]

>>4024838
that's why I feel scammed senpai

[Anonymous No.4024845]

>>4024837
They give off a joyless, rushed vibe imo.
If expressive brushwork isn’t consciously made, you’ll end up with a very bland painting that looks rushed.
Look at those thicc layered and painterly strokes in a sargent or a sorolla painting.
There’s a real love in there. Proko feels like he just rushed through some studies and that’s it.

[Anonymous No.4024853]

Keep shitting on prolo ye crabs while i make it with his great and affordable material

[Anonymous No.4024931]

>>4024853
Kangaroo.jpeg

[Anonymous No.4024933]

>>4024836
>asking $3800 for this
Ahahaha no wonder he has to make a living as an art teacher instead of an artist.

[Anonymous No.4024936]

>>4024772
Hold the fuck up, how many of those are drawn from photos and not real life?
People suck him off for THIS?

[Anonymous No.4024940]

if you guys cant even tell that his anatomy course is great how are you supposed to study fundamentals ? you clearly brain damaged.Go flip burgers or something until machines take your place and you have to end your miserable life

[Anonymous No.4024950]

>>4024940
>You cant even tell his anatomy course is great
Regurgitated info that you can get from much better sources. wow such great material. Will i ever be able to create his dynamic minion?
Also you know how i know you're NGMI?
Because you still put anatomy knowledge on a pedestal lmao.
Every single great artist knew that advanced anatomy wasn't as crucial as solid construction with primary shapes (so spheres boxes and cylinders) and of course proko can barely do that, and ONLY using references. So what do you need to know what the distal superior sartorium is if you can't even put proportional humans ( or minions, or roos )in perspective with basic shapes.
tldr; le kangaroo man BTFO

[Anonymous No.4024952]

>>4024950
>So what do you need to know what the distal superior sartorium is if you can't even put proportional humans ( or minions, or roos )in perspective with basic shapes
this needs to be framed gold

[Anonymous No.4024954]

>>4024950
Pyw ngmi , show me your amazing perspective and anatomy that you learned from a “superior “ course

[Anonymous No.4024957]

>>4024950
Based

[Anonymous No.4024960]

>>4024954
Cominions closed by the way, sorry ladies.

[Anonymous No.4024963]

>>4024952
>his only answer to a well structured and factual argument is to shitpost
yikes.
You know what, Proko is actually perfect for you.

[Anonymous No.4024974]

>>4024954
what that anon said is literally what Vilppu says and what Rubens through Dürer and even Da vinci ( who disected corpses and shit) wrote.
Anatomy is not actually part of the fundamentals beyond proportions and landmarks. Some rudimentary knowledge of anatomy is required but anything beyond that won't make or brake anything you draw, it'll just give you an edge.
So my criticism of Proko is that, the people that could benefit from deep anatomical immersion are already way past him, and the /beg/ tier people that is going to pay for the course will be hustled out of their money.
>pic related
As you can see from the study, there's no real concern for any of the muscles underneath, and even the volume is constructed from spheres, and not from anatomical knowledge ( which mind you, Da vinci had for days, but really didn't use much in his works)

[Anonymous No.4024977]

>>4024974
nice, go ahead and make artworks like those im sure you will get a lot of commissions for inflation fetish

[Anonymous No.4024981]

>>4024977
Prokeks are so fucking retarded lol

[Anonymous No.4024985]

>>4024977
i mean if you rather be a proko than a vilppu it is your choice.
>im sure you will get a lot of commissions
Whatever anime or furry things you wanna draw, they're done in the same fashion, simple shapes and construction. Very rarely does anyone actually need anatomy to create appealing pieces.

Here's the finished piece. and as you can see, the only advanced piece of anatomy there is in the muscles of the forearm, which can be solved easily through light reference. Everything else there comes from spherical shapes.
Krenz and Jung gi does the same thing, like vilppu does, like frazetta did etc

[Anonymous No.4024992]

>>4024977
>le kangaroo man is the greatest but davinci is ngmi
Roflmao imagine thinking this unironically.
I hope it is you Stankopenko. Otherwise you might literally have brain damage

[Anonymous No.4025007]

>>4024977
A poor rebuttal but at least inflation artists actually get commissions, unlike Proko...

[Anonymous No.4025090]

>>4024933
>>4024960
>>4024950
>>4025007
this thread is gold

[Anonymous No.4025104]

>>4023364
I wish he posted more now that he seems at a higher level of design than he was even a few years ago. What does he do or work on all the time, patreon? He seems like he's neglected his channel a lot when he could post slightly more frequently at a time when there are actually good art youtubers.

[Anonymous No.4025122]

>>4025104
Hes teaching at LCAD, i love him but that's no excuse hes alawys been a lazy fuck

[Anonymous No.4025203]

>>4023681
First learn how to draw shapes, draw a square and a rectangle multiple times preferably from life (wooden blocks).
Then study the human anatomy from models/youtube vidoes then watch Kim Jung Gi drawing on Youtube, and try to copy it I guess.

[Anonymous No.4025205]

>>4024985
>Using Da Vinci as an example for why you don't need anatomical knowledge
>"he didn't really use it much in his works"
>posts painting of soft chubby idealized female nude as proof
just lol

Did Da Vinci waste his time dissecting and studying the insides of corpses because he thought it was irrelevant to figure painting?

You're an idiot beg if you think all you need to know to draw a lifelike figure is to know how to draw cylinders in perspective and construct them together. That's the absolute minimum you can do. The human body isn't just simple shapes and having knowledge of anatomy can help you understand the complex shapes of muscles and shadows they cast when you're trying do draw the back of a muscular model for example.

The artists you referenced all went out of their way to learn anatomy inside out, because they know the subtlest changes in bone and muscle under the skin is why the figure appears as it is -changes the shape of its contour, how it catches light and casts shadow, how the shape of muscles flex and relax in certain poses, etc. The closer you can get to that true in your drawings the more lifelike and credible your art becomes.

Basicly the difference between you and them is that you cope and make excuses as to why you don't need to learn, whereas they went and learned everything that could help make their artwork as good as it is. Bottom line the more you understand about your subject, the better you can draw it.

[Anonymous No.4025207]

>>4023143

>absolute beginner

I'd say his stuff is more intermediate. Absolute beginners should do do draw from the right side of the brain type stuff

[Anonymous No.4025217]

>>4025205
How do you manage to be so verbose while having 0 reading comprehension?
Basically everything you wrote is useless and wrong. A misinterpration of art history and the figure of Leonardo. The example is actually perfect ( and used by vilppu to make the exact same point by the way )
>Did Da Vinci waste his time dissecting and studying the insides of corpses because he thought it was irrelevant to figure painting?

This is such an appalingly stupid question.
Do you think he enginered war machinery because it would improve his painting skills?
did he make musical instruments because that would improve his gesture and perspective?
Read the thread of responses you were you'ing.
Every single brainlet point you made was already adressed before you brought it up.

Don't bother to @ me, retard. Everything that has been put for against /beg/s like you falling for Proko's scam is sound and backed by the old masters ( and new ones). Now go be a good little paypig and waste your money and time in eternal /beg/dom

[Anonymous No.4025240]

>>4025205

Da Vinci intended for these notebooks to be used in the medical field not for art, However, these books didn’t take its desirable impact until the 1900s, when two of Leonardo’s notebooks were rediscovered in 1965. In it lay many of Leonardo’s sketches and ideas, which led to the invention and use of many medical methods used today.

[Anonymous No.4025259]

>>4023101
I've been learning from proko for 10 yrs, this is the result
what do you guys think?
It's a creature design, I tried mixing a kangaroo with a tree

[Anonymous No.4025292]

>>4025205
>to know how to draw cylinders in perspective and construct them together. That's the absolute minimum you can do
Yet Proko can't do it mmmm interesting

[Anonymous No.4025305]

>>4025292
Goddammit anon I'm dying

[Anonymous No.4025324]

>>4025217
Lol. Leonardo was a scientist as much as an artist, no shit.

Therefore do you really think its fair to assume that Leonardo was unaware of the artistic as well as the scientific uses of anatomical knowledge when painters had known that correct anatomy, was one of the keys to more realistic paintings for decades before him, and had been struggling to study it however they could?

Advancements in realistic figure drawing and painting happened as artists applied advancements in anatomical knowledge to their artwork. Other artists before Leonardo dissected bodies.
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/anat/hd_anat.htm

Likewise, you can't pretend that when someone like Rubens did anatomy studies it was just because he was interested in science, not that he thought it would make him better at painting just to cope.

[Anonymous No.4025332]

>>4025205
hey proko! I know it sucks that you haven't made finished work in 10 years and can't sell the crappy paintings in your portfolio, even with a over 1 million subs on youtube, but I have some good news! Volen just made a course on learning how to draw. Maybe after 5 years of his method you'll finally know how to draw a minion from reference because we all know how terribly difficult that is!

[Anonymous No.4025466]

>>4025324
>lol no shit
Don't act smug now after you got exposed as a pseud who doesn't even get who Da Vinci was lmao. And no, no one has said anything against studying anatomy moron, grind some reading fundamentals . The guy was kindly advising ngmis like you not to waste their time on proko's course since A if you're at the point were you could actually benefit from deep anatomical understanding you'd be way over proko's slow paced, brainlet friendly content and B if you're a /beg/ you should focus on much more important things like perspective and construction.
And i guarantee you can't even place cylinders and combine them with box and sphere shapes in perspective, so why do you want to learn something you won't be able to apply ever like complex anatomy?
Proko can't even build a fucking MINION ffs.
For everything he does he needs a reference so why the fuck would you waste time memorizing muscle names if you're just going to copy what you see.

And thank you for posting a picture that proves my point, retard.
As you can see, gesture and solid construction are much more important than anatomical knowledge for drawing, just like shapes and values are much more important for painting than hue( and i'm quoting mullins here).
I won't reply to you again since you're just bringing up the same points that have gone over through many times over already. So if you wanna learn something just read vilppu's thesis.

[Anonymous No.4025472]

>>4023101
he doesnt teach anything of value , now days ppl trace 3d models , you're better of learning how drapery works and how to paint instead of wasting time doing constructions

[Anonymous No.4025482]

>>4025332
Lol i forgot he referenced his minion and still came out looking like shit

[Anonymous No.4025491]

>>4024960

Who the fuck needs to construct a capsule with googly eyes like you'd need brain damage to not be able to draw that just freehand after a year, much less however long this idiot has done it.

[Anonymous No.4025512]

>>4025332
i think its impossible for him no to be able to draw this WITH REFERENCE, maybe he was shaking with anxiety, this is fucking horrible

[Anonymous No.4025523]

>>4025472
Finally someone with an actual brain in this crab fested board

[Anonymous No.4025589]

>>4025466
You know, I dont give two fuck about Proko, but it sounds terribly arrogant reading you, come on you champ, pull out some perfect minions for us and enlighten this board with your wisdom.
any time a profesional artist have to draw something out of their comfort zone all goes harder (im not excusing proko, he sucks big time at drawing things out of his comfort zone)
on the livestream I doubt he have had drawn minions before on his life, so it was his first time dealing with the subject, yes, they are just simple cilinders, but as I said, i challenge you to draw them and pull them perfect at the FIRST try,
Again, I challenge you all fags to draw me a perfect minjon with your first attempt, because after all you all fill your crab mouth that minions are just cilinders, you should be able to draw cilinders, right?

RIGHT?

[Anonymous No.4025595]

>>4025466
>no one has said anything against studying anatomy moron
That brainlet who was coping about Leonardo not actually using anatomy to paint nude figures because reasons clearly was

>And i guarantee you can't even place cylinders and combine them with box and sphere shapes in perspective, so why do you want to learn something you won't be able to apply ever like complex anatomy?
Lol. Pic related is a recent study of mine. Let's see yours.

>For everything he does he needs a reference so why the fuck would you waste time memorizing muscle names if you're just going to copy what you see.
Anatomy knowledge helps you analyze and draw the forms of a reference and models better, and with practice from imagination (which Proko never did). I don't concern myself with what other artists can and can't do, only what I can learn from them. That said I'm not interested in Proko at all.

>gesture and solid construction are much more important than anatomical knowledge for drawing
At a basic and fundamental level, yes because FORM is everything and its best to work from the general to the specific. But its not really difficult or challenging to do even for beginners and you will only get so far in your understanding of the complex forms of the figure if you don't move past just simplifying them into rudimentary shapes. Eventually you have to get more specific in how you construct the forms in order to render a lifelike figure and that's where knowledge of anatomy helps you. Construction isn't the only thing that matters.

[Anonymous No.4025620]

>>4025595
finally someone posted their work instead "critiquing" other artists. based anon

[Anonymous No.4025633]

>>4025595
>the left leg

polished turd, do you even pay attention to the anatomy you are studyng?
it seems like you are just grinding aimlessly and without deeper though.

[Anonymous No.4025634]

>>4025633
its funny how you dont post your own work or can i find it in /beg/ ?

[Anonymous No.4025639]

>>4025595
Right shoulder is dislocated, right elbow should be above the hand, left wrist would snap pulling back an 80 # war bow like that. As in you should observe how archers in sport use a bow since that man wouldn’t even be able to pull back a 30# bow like that. Among other things like the back should be facing the viewer, left shoulder too high, cranium fucked. It’s more important to learn observational skills before anatomy because you have no idea how to apply anatomy when you can’t even draw what’s in front of you.

[Anonymous No.4025649]

>>4025633
Yeah whats wrong with the leg? Oh right you don't know anything about anatomy to tell me why

[Anonymous No.4025656]

>>4025649
kek, stay mad fucker, it makes my day.

[Anonymous No.4025664]

>>4025595
look idgaf about proko but it is always ngmi's like you defending meme art influencers on this shit board.
give up on anatomy, it's not for you yet and it won't be any time soon. Observe and copy from reality using construction. Your dummy is stiff and unproportioned and you haven¡t internalized structure yet.
Stop being a pretentious fag, you're a barely above average /beg/

[Anonymous No.4025669]

>>4025664
absolute madlad speaks the truth.

[Anonymous No.4025676]

>>4025664
Not him but I agree with you, even proko said in his recent podcast he wished he did his drawing fundamentals course before doing the anatomy course for reasons you give.

[Anonymous No.4025747]

>>4025639
>you can't even draw what's in front of you
Lol sure, pic related is my reference photo. My study isn't perfect
but most of the "problems" you listed are in the source drawing which was done from a live model.

>>4025664
>Observe and copy from reality using construction
Exactly what I'm doing. Just because my construction lines were mostly erased or covered doesn't mean they weren't used

>Your dummy is stiff and unproportioned and you haven¡t internalized structure yet.
Sure you have criticisms of the 3 minute quick mannequinization of the drawing but what about the actual study?

>Stop being a pretentious fag, you're a barely above average /beg/
Haha. This is why anyone who actually draws rarely posts in the crab bucket

[Anonymous No.4025748]

>>4025747
You type in the same autistic way as that retard Jimmy

[Anonymous No.4025750]

>>4023101
his anatomy course is good /thread

[Anonymous No.4025752]

>>4025747
it seems you are not ready for this level of study, anon, try something less complicated first because you are doing tons of stupid mistakes, though you have a good "enveloping" (unless you traced), your negative spaces are good, but look at that skull for fuck sakes, how you drew a skull so fucked while doing so good negative spaces?

[Anonymous No.4025783]

>>4023338
>And yet he's a commissioned artist why you post shit on a Mongolian basket weaving forum hmmmm
Pic related my best I could do at MS paint hope u enjoy x x

[Anonymous No.4025785]

the absolute state of Prokopiko.

[Anonymous No.4025828]

>>4025785
This CANNOT be real.

[Anonymous No.4025830]

>>4025828
havent you ever seen the comic he did? it this but even worse.

[Anonymous No.4025833]

>>4025785
wow he can do both realistic and cartoon ? what a legend

[Anonymous No.4025837]

>>4025828
It's real, it looks exactly like the comic he drew.

[Anonymous No.4025841]

>>4025837
soul

[Anonymous No.4025843]

>>4025837
anime adaptation when ?

[Anonymous No.4025849]

>>4025837
unironically this has some charm on it, pretty wonky and ugly but it has it.

[Anonymous No.4025852]

>>4025785
come now cartooning is a very different skillset that you will only learn by practicing stylisation for years

[Anonymous No.4025862]

>>4025852
dont ruin the joke, dude.

[Anonymous No.4025886]

>>4025747
I hope that one day you’ll understand why your ‘mannequinization’ ls actually the most important thing to get right but you’re too arrogant to heed us. Hopefully you’ll realize this in time tho

[Anonymous No.4026197]

[Anonymous No.4026820]

>>4023101
>drawing from imagination is going to be the last thing, and it's going to be HARD

[Anonymous No.4026827]

>>4025837
cute

[Anonymous No.4026830]

>>4023101
>Drawing from imagination is one of the last things you will learn, and it's HARD

[Anonymous No.4026831]

>>4023101

[Anonymous No.4027830]

>>4023101
cut out the middleman and just learn from Watts