/beg/inner art thread, Waxed Edition

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/beg/inner art thread, Waxed Edition Anonymous Mon May 27 08:57:30 2019 No.3947801 [Reply] [Original]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Previous Thread: >>3942935

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead
2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller
3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance when you haven't even started.

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

REMEMBER, if you've just started out you work will not be good, it doesn't need to be, just get in to the swing of actually drawing, and learning how to study. Most of all, enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 10:52:23 2019 No.3947895 File: 1.53 MB, 974x2001, E23BA717-D0CA-4B07-803C-65BC93A362A5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well I didn’t finish that last one yet but did this in the meantime.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:13:52 2019 No.3947915 >>3947895 Fix the perspective

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:16:26 2019 No.3947917 Wait, what's the difference between symbol drawing and construction/deconstruction into shapes?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:23:59 2019 No.3947923 Which font is usually used in mangos ?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:28:26 2019 No.3947933 File: 159 KB, 806x746, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] quick bust study ~10mins wish i got the neck. the structure is so cool in the reference.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:28:36 2019 No.3947934 >>3947923 comic sans

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:32:56 2019 No.3947945 File: 2.18 MB, 4032x3024, I'm sorry van gogh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shit this sucks. I don't really know what I'm doing, I'm gonna start figure drawing for all it's worth today and hopefully get on the path to making it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:35:49 2019 No.3947952 File: 820 KB, 1024x768, za.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3947801 I think I need to take a small break on drawing and I really need a good digital rendering resource and a human body render guide any recommend anon?

Anonymous Mon May 27 11:36:33 2019 No.3947954
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Shit this sucks. I don't know what I'm doing. I'll start with loomis today, figure drawing for all it’s worth, and hopefully take babbys first crawl into art.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:39:17 2019 No.3947957 why do you people not bother feeling the form? does your internal visualization only see shit in 2-d or what? seriously, how difficult is it for you guys to run your mind-hand over the "surface" of what it is you want to draw?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 11:43:57 2019 No.3947964 >>3947957 Can you expound on what you mean by running over the surface? I'm willing to learn but I'm not sure I have enough art education to correctly interpret your meaning.

Anonymous Mon May 27 12:31:59 2019 No.3948027
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>>3947952
Pic related suggest Ctrl+Paint's Digital painting starter kit. I'm following the free videos. Started with Digital painting 101 (1) and jumped to Digital painting techniques (9), going back to previous videos when I can't understand something.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 13:00:35 2019 No.3948058 >>3947957 Idk why you dont just run your mind hand over my dick

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 13:09:09 2019 No.3948066 >>3948058 Does it exist only in your mind as well?

Anonymous Mon May 27 13:17:03 2019 No.3948075

Bit random but any recommendations on a pencil that feels like a charcoal pencil but is easily erasable or at least able to be drawn on top of?

I really like the feel of doing gestures with charcoal pencils on smooth newsprint, so I want something similar I can use on sketchbooks so I can start learning construction and anatomy on top of the lines.

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:00:46 2019 No.3948195

>>3947801
I really want learn how to draw properly, I think finding this board gave me the push I needed. Tomorrow's the day I'll start practicing (would start right now, but gotta go to sleep)
I'm still a bit overwhelmed where to start though, and a little afraid that I won't improve and lose motivation. Any advice on that or other common pitfalls?

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:10:08 2019 No.3948206

>>3948195
Godspeed Anon!
Any advice on that or other common pitfalls?
For now just settle on a goal you want to achieve, saying "draw properly" is incredibly vague and we do not know your level. General advice is to prepare for the long haul. At its core art is a grind there is no way around that.

Now go sleep!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:11:13 2019 No.3948209 File: 1.07 MB, 611x920, sirens.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this still /beg/

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:12:58 2019 No.3948213 >>3948209 Such a question is futile anon, everyone is a /beg/ forever, the ride never ends.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:13:29 2019 No.3948217 If i were to draw a rectangle around the face/head, at what ratio should the sides be for an average face

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:13:47 2019 No.3948219 >>3948213 can i get off if i kill myself

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:21:03 2019 No.3948230

>>3948209
The more abstract and/or stylized your artwork is, the more pointless it becomes trying to determine if it's /beg/ or not. The point of art is to be observed, and what you should be asking is whether or not you've drawn something that is fun and interesting to look at.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:28:26 2019 No.3948241 >>3948219 p-please don't I was just kidding

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:35:12 2019 No.3948252 File: 906 KB, 1080x2220, Screenshot_20190526-024811_Gallery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Based blood cylinder OP

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:38:06 2019 No.3948255 >>3948219 The only thing that awaits you in the afterlife is a stack of paper and a pencil.

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:42:32 2019 No.3948261
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decided to do 50 boxes a day for the 250 box challenge, doing it digitally since that's what I'll be using anyway and I can practice my lines in warm-ups (or just use the line tool / shift click, no roolz only tools)

after I've finished drawabox should I move onto Ctrl+Paint?
I'm a little overwhelmed with everything I'll have to learn to make what I want; construction, perspective, composition, gesture, anatomy, rendering, light and color etc it never ends
even if I use stuff like references or 3d models I'm afraid of making a 'piece' since there's so many intricacies I know I'll fuck up, like drapery and anatomy and then how light will behave on it, I have no idea where to start with all of it

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:46:02 2019 No.3948267

>>3948206
>saying "draw properly" is incredibly vague
Yeah I'm not quite sure what exactly I want to achieve myself. I just need a creative outlet so once I got the basics I still need to decide if I want to focus on anatomy, architecture, nature or technical drawings
>and we do not know your level
I'm looking forward to finding out myself, I used to doodle a lot in Highschool and am still prowd of my extremely detailed stick-figure drawings but I doubt that'll help much.
>At its core art is a grind there is no way around that.
Yeah I'm aware of that. I used to be the "learning" how to draw manga stereotype as a teen, who didn't practice consistently and mostly copied YouTube tutorials, because he was a dumb kid who didn't understand that "I have no talent" isn't an excuse and drawing cartoons doesn't mean you don't need any basics. Anyways I hope I can power through it this time and not lose motivation from lack of visible progress.
>Now go sleep!
Okay Mom. I'll be going over the sticky tomorrow and post what I'll get done.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:47:44 2019 No.3948270 >>3948261 What's this whole Drawabox I see mentionned around here?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:52:11 2019 No.3948278 File: 534 KB, 1220x1008, Bud.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Doing the Watts course Jumps from boxes and spheres to a Buddha head

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:52:59 2019 No.3948279 >>3948209 Yes, if you need drugs to put out your finest then you've already lost it.

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:53:36 2019 No.3948280

>>3948270
art course site, starts you out drawing lines and ellipses, moves onto constructing boxes and such and then moves onto more complex things such as constructing organic shapes, moving into animals, insects and then cars and such

it's good but I find it pretty grindy and obtuse at times, especially getting you to draw 250 boxes so early on in the process, and it wants you to do it all in pen, supposedly to teach you to be careful with your lines but it barely matters in the real world when we have rulers and digital tools to make perfect lines easy as piss
I think you get more out of it by doing it however you like, as long as you're learning what it's trying to teach you

Anonymous Mon May 27 15:54:44 2019 No.3948281
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Is there some kind of resource that specializes in portraits, it's a fuggin pain trying to find a decent 3/4 view face. Plz halp

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:55:55 2019 No.3948282 >>3948280 Makes sense. Thanks friendo.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 15:58:31 2019 No.3948288 >>3948281 Steve head course https://mega.nz/#F!glxFwLaa!cdBL0K-MOuZbtQYoRR4cBQ there is another Steve advance head course >>3948261 you should only draw like 10 each day as a warm up and free hand

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:06:02 2019 No.3948302 >>3948278 Keep going anon

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:12:23 2019 No.3948309

>>3948288
You misunderstand, i'm not really looking for an education in profile drawing, i'm just looking for a resource where i an access to have examples of profiles, i'm already reading a textbook, and drawing profiles is a chapter in the book (Keys to Drawing)

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:13:12 2019 No.3948312

>>3948261
did you read the instructions? it doesn't look like you read the instructions. you're not applying any of the line extensions that are used to check for mistakes and actually improve in a meaningful way over the course of the challenge.

he didn't read the instructions.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:15:55 2019 No.3948315 >>3948255 sounds pretty good to me

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:21:43 2019 No.3948319 >>3948312 I'm very aware, I've already done 30 odd traditionally and extended my lines, I'm going to do it tomorrow before I do the next 50 any advice on whether or not Ctrl+Paint would be appropriate, or what else might be?

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:42:30 2019 No.3948336 [DELETED]

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gonna repost yesterday's sketches. i dont have the reference on hand but I feel like i relied too much on copying for the woman. the head was done from imagination. it feels really flat/stiff and i think it has a lot of weird proportional problems

Anonymous Mon May 27 16:43:34 2019 No.3948337
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>>3948336
lol woops.

gonna repost yesterday's sketches. i dont have the reference on hand but I feel like i relied too much on copying for the woman. the head was done from imagination. it feels really flat/stiff and i think it has a lot of weird proportional problems

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 16:43:42 2019 No.3948338 >>3948336 are you blind by any chance Anon

Anonymous Mon May 27 17:03:56 2019 No.3948360
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I'm confused, since each photo has its own horizon line, if I were to take a reference and use it in my own work with its own unique horizon line, won't that fuck it all up?
surely I can't just place a picture of a guy like pic related in my own composition and have it make sense in terms of perspective, right?

for example, if I placed the horizon line above him I'd see more of the top of his head, and if I placed it below him I'd see more of his underside
I don't know, I've got no idea

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:05:37 2019 No.3948365 >>3948360 the goal is to learn how to take the reference and move it in your brain to a different angle to fit the perspective

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:11:45 2019 No.3948374 File: 99 KB, 831x1000, hummingbirdresized.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] heres a bird i drew

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:13:28 2019 No.3948376 >>3948374 something about the tail looks wrong perspective or curve or angle or something

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 17:19:00 2019 No.3948385 >>3948365 I'm a layman can you explain it more simple?

Anonymous Mon May 27 17:54:33 2019 No.3948416
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>>3948252
Even if you stylize something you should consider certain things, for example the back of te head lifts up.

Also draw the figure, even if you'll drown it in clothing. It will help you wth proportion and direction. The dress is really messy here.

Ps.:Ignore the feet I couldn't identify how your dude was sitting.

Anonymous Mon May 27 18:09:50 2019 No.3948431
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>>3948337
First of: watch out with the lips. Even Loomis had trouble drawing them so detailed for men without making it look weird (I think it was Loomis).

I recommend you watch Steve Houston's video on the head. Also don't be afraid to use references. Everyone does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 18:16:34 2019 No.3948435 >>3948431 hey thanks for the help and video. Will watch. much appreciated anon

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 18:34:46 2019 No.3948446 >>3948416 Nice thanks for the help, I'll save this and keep it in mind, I'm still trying to find out how to do figures

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 18:35:11 2019 No.3948448 How do I start visualizing in 3D?

Anonymous Mon May 27 18:37:18 2019 No.3948449
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So I know I'm still doing a lot wrong and still can't clearly get down how it is in my mind but I feel that I'm getting a better understanding of how things work and starting to be able to picture and rotate the forms in my mind.

I'm also being able to do these in 10-20 minutes instead of an hour plus for something worse.

I'm happy that I'm making progress but how do I go from this to drawing cute boys?

>>3947895
Keep it up anon. You continue to inspire me with the progress you've made.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 18:38:38 2019 No.3948450 File: 873 KB, 1080x2220, Screenshot_20190525-215844_Gallery.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948416 Any advice on this?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 18:43:19 2019 No.3948452 >>3948449 draw from ref more apply the head to real people is better than follow you instinct

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>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 19:00:32 2019 No.3948463 >>3948452 >mfw that was my face >tfw that's my face Don't suppose you got any suitable cuteboi refs lying around?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 19:30:57 2019 No.3948494 File: 475 KB, 1000x1500, barb2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] rough imagination sketch, coming up with quick compositions like this is pretty fun I'm sure the anatomy and everything is fucked but still, the idea's there

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 19:52:09 2019 No.3948508 >get a figure reference >completely overwhelmed and have no idea how to start how do I get past this feel, lads

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:10:09 2019 No.3948538 >>3948508 >Vilppu Timed Model Demonstration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk You're welcome.

Anonymous Mon May 27 20:12:29 2019 No.3948542
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Can someone tell me what exactly is wrong with the proportions that I'm drawing? I'm a complete beginner, and I'm trying to use the Loomis method for construction, but my faces are just so ghoulish. 1/4

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:14:34 2019 No.3948547 File: 1.53 MB, 3024x4031, 20190527_180306.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948542 Sorry, trying to flip them but they aren't coming out right. 2/4

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:15:26 2019 No.3948550 File: 1.86 MB, 3024x4032, 20190527_180915.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948547 3/4

Anonymous Mon May 27 20:16:31 2019 No.3948552
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>>3948550
And 4/4, these are the faces I've made after practicing Loomis for a day, just as a comparison. I do think the three pages above this one are better, but still not by much.

Anonymous Mon May 27 20:24:13 2019 No.3948561
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>>3948552
>>3948550
>>3948547
>>3948542
the reason why it looks off because you spread the facial features too far apart, the distance between the eyes, nose, and mouth are too far apart

also try to draw more from photo to get more of a feel of face proportion

next time resize your photos

Anonymous Mon May 27 20:30:12 2019 No.3948565

>>3948561
Thanks, I'll try and use reference photos to practice until I get a feel on how a face looks, and I'll make sure to get the pictures resized and flipped properly next time. Would it be best to try and get the proportions down first before trying to move onto making the facial features look good?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:30:47 2019 No.3948567 File: 33 KB, 384x869, practice 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why does it look so fucked

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:32:00 2019 No.3948568 >>3948567 ref?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:34:53 2019 No.3948573 >>3948567 he looks like he push his pelvis back too much

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:35:03 2019 No.3948574 Would anyone know where to pick up Steve Huston's Figure Drawing?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:39:12 2019 No.3948581 File: 35 KB, 643x701, practice 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948568 didn't use one. tryna learn without ref

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:52:22 2019 No.3948591 File: 38 KB, 800x597, practice 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948568 even with ref it still looks off

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 20:54:29 2019 No.3948594 >>3948565 yea, try to put down where the features will be before the details

Anonymous Mon May 27 21:22:36 2019 No.3948628
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how do you know when a sketch is ready to be turned into a render?
also, does anyone have videos of people's renderring process? literally anything will do, i want to observe as many people as possible so i can see which way is easiest for me. i genuinely have no clue how to learn something as complex and multi faceted as rendering, other than observing how others do it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:24:33 2019 No.3948631 >>3948315 Theree's also a guy they get that whispers very non-specific criticism into your ear so you never know if you're improving or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:33:33 2019 No.3948642 >>3948631 Sounds like here

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 21:43:06 2019 No.3948649 File: 3.33 MB, 4032x3024, 20190527_204103(0).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] r8 my lines fellow crabs

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:04:18 2019 No.3948662 >>3947957 Your post is the online equivalent of running into a drawing 101 class, bellowing WHY ARE YOU SO BAD?", and stomping out, slamming the door behind you.

Anonymous Mon May 27 22:13:17 2019 No.3948669
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>>3948628
You know, from experience. For me, I'm ready to start rendering when I have enough landmarks to establish the form, and refine/adjust from there. I only do detailed renderings in pencil for roughs, or to create my own reference to work from once the paint is laid down, covering my reference points.

You have to find your own comfort zone here. If you're doing cartooning, then you need to work the line art out to a high degree of polish, but for painting, most people only need major landmarks to work off of.

Here's a good example of one way an artist works:
http://www.cgarena.com/freestuff/tutorials/photoshop/judith/judith.html

She's experienced enough, and confident enough, that she can refine the form from vague shapes, and work from there - she has years of experience in anatomy and rendering to wing it. But, not everyone works that way. Pro level illustrators like James Gurney and Michael Whelan would have more detailed drawings to start with. (See attached)
There's no right or wrong way, or a universal way. It's why you study, and experiment, to discover what works for you.

Bets advice, start simple, over a series of images, over time. Block in flat color. Start adding basic lighting and volume. Refine, adjust, refine. In later pieces, start adding texture and more complex light. Slow down, be patient, pay attention to what's happening to your image as you add too it, and learn what works, and what doesn't. That's the art process. Don't worry about failing, or if it's too simple, or not what your end goal is. Baby steps, to bigger steps, to confident steps, to running.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:17:18 2019 No.3948672 File: 78 KB, 1000x540, legs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not a lot of muscles or depth in the legs chapter. Did some anyway. I still have to work on hands, feet and heads. Really liked the book.

Anonymous Mon May 27 22:17:49 2019 No.3948673
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>>3947801
I have no idea what I should be studying/doing
I try to use the books /ic/ recommends but I always get either distracted trying to draw the examples in the books or just lose interest in them.
I have been drawing for the last two years and I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels, I do exercises such as timed gesture drawings and studies but I'm not sure if I'm doing them right or wasting my time.

Anonymous Mon May 27 22:21:10 2019 No.3948676
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>>3947957
I get what you mean dude I don't know why they never understand it.

>>3947964
Basically, instead of just drawing in a bunch of flat lines over a cylinder, you would want to draw in your lines/values as cylinder-shaped, in perspective with the cylinder. It's like you're imagining you are literally just putting a pencil on top of an actual cylinder and coloring it in. Does that make sense?

Anonymous Mon May 27 22:22:04 2019 No.3948678

>>3948494
Thumbnails and sketches don't have to be finished pieces that hang on a wall. I can go through dozens of thumbnails like this before I decide where to go with an idea. A lot of artists don't document their color comps and such, but some do, like Michael Whelen, in his books, where he would do multiple passes at an idea before starting more refined sketches, and vague, blobby color comps to work out the overall composition. I've done paintings where I'd do the same - work out all of the issues in studies and sketches, before starting the final.

What you posted is awesome. Get in the habit of playing with form and composition like that, not caring about perfection - you can work that out later. And you're right, it's fun!

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Anonymous Mon May 27 22:24:16 2019 No.3948681

>>3948673
>I try to use the books /ic/ recommends but I always get either distracted trying to draw the examples in the books or just lose interest in them.
There's your problem. Just do it. Chain yourself down to the desk, put on a music playlist (or not if it distracts you) and only do your studies. Force yourself. It takes a lot of willpower. Just do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:25:03 2019 No.3948682 >>3948672 What book? Looks like "Michael Hampton figure drawing design and invention". Am I right?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:26:09 2019 No.3948683 >>3948682 look like Steve Huston one

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:31:46 2019 No.3948691 >>3948681 But which books? which lessons? I keep becoming convinced that I'm reading something before I should be or that I'm not really understanding the information correctly.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:35:59 2019 No.3948694 >>3948691 Well go look at a list of the fundamentals. What do you feel you are best at, and what do you feel you are worst at?

Anonymous Mon May 27 22:38:37 2019 No.3948696

>>3948691
The books don't matter as much as you're making them out to be. Just grab what you can find, read them, and then DRAW. The magic happens when you put a pencil to paper. If you don't understand something, work on something else until you do.

Art education is not reading books. It's trying to DO it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:45:42 2019 No.3948704 How do I stop beating myself up as a beginner and think I'm total shit and I'll never be better

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 22:49:27 2019 No.3948709 >>3948682 Huston's, like >>3948683 said. I did read the gesture chapter on Hampton's book, though, haha. Thought of starting with it since it's on the sticky but I found it pretty intimidating at the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 23:13:55 2019 No.3948734 File: 91 KB, 670x1192, document_26_2_by_artprogess_dd7xewf-pre.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think I slightly improved my faces in only roughly a week.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 23:30:11 2019 No.3948748 File: 284 KB, 842x1089, Image2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948734 now be a body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_0LzBv894 >>3948704 youll be fine this is a normal feeling that comes and goes

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 23:36:38 2019 No.3948754 >>3948542 Which book?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 23:42:11 2019 No.3948757 >>3948754 side question, what order should one do loomis in? Fun with a pencil feels a little juvenile.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 27 23:44:50 2019 No.3948761 How do I turn my half decent Loomis man heads into cute anime twinks?

Anonymous Tue May 28 00:02:36 2019 No.3948773

>>3948694
>What do you feel you are best at
Nothing
> and what do you feel you are worst at?
Everything
>>3948696
>The books don't matter as much as you're making them out to be. Just grab what you can find, read them, and then DRAW. The magic happens when you put a pencil to paper. If you don't understand something, work on something else until you do.
I feel like this is the mentality that is causing the problem though I have been "just drawing" for two years but I still feel like I understand nothing and cannot reliably put to paper what I have in my head.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 00:15:10 2019 No.3948783 >>3948450 bring your drawing to a mirror lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:20:03 2019 No.3948786 File: 18 KB, 1280x720, WalkCycleFrontXP.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it's hard to art

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:20:50 2019 No.3948788 >>3948567 gesture doesn't feel natural. upper body disconnected from lower.

Anonymous Tue May 28 00:33:27 2019 No.3948792
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Fun with a pencil guy here.
Going back to drawabox, rate my lines please.
I don't know know drawing from the shoulder should feel, and I'm having trouble with curved lines, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:36:49 2019 No.3948795 File: 2.05 MB, 1080x2220, image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948783 Yeesh, I'm assuming I'm focusing too much on one side?

Anonymous Tue May 28 00:41:07 2019 No.3948799

>>3948581
you need to learn with ref to learn without. don't worry that you won't be able to down the line - if you are analyzing things properly and not just copying, you'll internalize it all enough to draw from imagination anyway once you've spent enough time. don't force it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:42:18 2019 No.3948802 File: 956 KB, 200x401, ezgif.com-resize.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Uncensored versión on my Twitter @_luchored_

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 00:57:47 2019 No.3948822 >>3948792 I think they look quite good. Only bad thing is that it seems you're not starting your lines on the exact same spot. Either that, or your pen leaks too much ink. Curves are hard but yours look okayish, keep at it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:15:17 2019 No.3948839 File: 3.02 MB, 4032x3024, IMG_20190528_120736.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can i improve

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:18:32 2019 No.3948843 File: 604 KB, 1604x960, sketches.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A couple of sketches from today. Feedback appreciated

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:19:50 2019 No.3948844 File: 604 KB, 1604x960, sketches.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A couple of sketches from today. Feedback appreciated

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:22:36 2019 No.3948848 >>3948844 try experimenting with different facial expressions. do some studies, and then try to really exaggerate them

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:26:53 2019 No.3948852 >>3948848 okay, will try it, thanks!

Anonymous Tue May 28 01:33:06 2019 No.3948858

>>3948822
Thank you so much for replying, and I'm glad to hear that they look good, I think I was rushing, as for the starting point, in some I have trouble placing my pen on the same spot (some have the same starting point, right?) perhaps anxiety or maybe I get carried away.
Thanks again.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:45:41 2019 No.3948874 >>3948858 The lesson says if you are fraying at the beginning you need to take your time in placing your pen down in the same spot.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 01:50:00 2019 No.3948877 >>3948676 >you can't play jazz until you learn the scales But the best patterns and harmonies come out of chord shapes, and the most important scale is the chromatic, bad analogy.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 02:00:34 2019 No.3948882 >>3948874 I know, I guess I have to get used to that now, I have to get the speed just right.. But enough of that, I'll post more lines tomorrow, thanks for all.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 02:04:34 2019 No.3948883 >>3948874 >>3948882 And no, I'm looking where I place it, sometimes it goes to the side though, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 02:07:07 2019 No.3948885 File: 1.18 MB, 209x180, Smyle.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where do you guys find reference photos for profiles/models?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 02:34:33 2019 No.3948906 File: 687 KB, 1000x1000, no improvement.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Never have posted before, so i'm pretty much a beg. This is the only i can do from imagination without fuking up everything. I guess

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 02:47:30 2019 No.3948916 >>3948906 it's not that bad Anon, do you do studies from photos?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:07:46 2019 No.3948931 File: 55 KB, 641x460, DZAdAUGXkAA1SeJ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3948450

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:36:49 2019 No.3948943 >>3948931 I think that looks better

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:47:11 2019 No.3948951 File: 183 KB, 534x586, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any idea how I can make this character better or more interesting?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:52:35 2019 No.3948954 >>3948951 it depends on knowing who she is, what is she like?. A character's appearance is what onlookers use as a basis for guessing the personality, traits, quirks etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 03:58:21 2019 No.3948959 >>3948954 Spoiled, mid-teen mage prodigy. His families last hope at making a name for themselves so he's pretty much been raised without restrictions. Will try and get into the pants of the 40-50 year old paladin that's been appointed to guard him.

Anonymous Tue May 28 04:09:28 2019 No.3948967
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>>3948959
Ok well that tells his backstory but not really about his personality but it helps. Then how about giving him a more stock up and spoiled facial expression, maybe fancy and expensive clothes. That can easily imagine saying "step aside plebs!"

Nosebro Tue May 28 04:15:55 2019 No.3948970

>>3948795
bro are you blind, ive never seen a drawing as slanted as yours. NEVER. In my 4 years of being here Ive not once someone fuck up in the same way as you have and not realize.

I'm not sure if you're trolling, but look how EGREGIOUS your ear size disparity is.

Now let me be honest and know that I'm 100% serious when I see this. But I think you may be in the early stages of some sort of dementia or mental illness. Please go see a therapist.

I swear on my life I'm not kidding, this is legitimately surreal. You don't come across as weird in text but it really is that within a sample size of a few thousand people you've presented the most odd product and by a huge margin.

Now I know what you're thinking: your work isn't that bad, theres plenty worse. And look, I agree with that. but the WAY in which its off is just absolutely stunning.

PLEASE GO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST. Just to be safe.

Anonymous Tue May 28 04:59:45 2019 No.3949008
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>>3948906
You'e right, there is no improvement from last year.

Everything you draw seems rather flat, you only draw in outlines, but you don't describe objects, and basically everything is just a symbol.

So what can I recommend you? Well this Anon already did some homework for you:

>>3948027

Especially Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing book is solid gold. Learn to understand the human body. How does a ribcage look? Why are the eyes where they are, how can I use that knowledge to draw cute catgirls? Why do my catgirl's hands and feet look like horrible deformations? How can I draw them better?

Don't be disheartened Anon. Everyone hits plateaus - the important part is to sit on your ass and do your homework.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:22:24 2019 No.3949012 >>3948678 >Michael Whelan didn't know this guy before but his art fucking rocks, thanks Anon this is exactly what I like

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 05:58:21 2019 No.3949016 >>3948885 Hyper angle

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:23:10 2019 No.3949029 File: 118 KB, 1300x722, 20190628.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What am I doing wrong?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:34:50 2019 No.3949034 File: 1.52 MB, 1418x1000, hampton-gesture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's something I did yesterday to apply Hampton's figure drawing techniques. Poses were all taken from Line of Action. (1/4)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:36:16 2019 No.3949036 >>3949034 (2/4. Feels like I'm getting the gesture down but not the volume.)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:37:15 2019 No.3949037 >>3948209 You're /beg/ until you "can draw". No single piece graduates you from /beg/. Leaving /beg/ is about acquiring the skills and confidence to produce a reliable stream of quality work.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:41:54 2019 No.3949041 File: 2.71 MB, 1600x1162, hampton-gesture-2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949034 (2/4. Feels like I'm not grasping the form yet and I'm not sure how to.)

Anonymous Tue May 28 06:45:59 2019 No.3949043

>>3949041
They're going okay. I think a good rule is that the better the artist, the more contour lines they can put on a figure. You should start out with angular (i.e. not rounded) shapes to make up ribcages, pelvises etc, because those are easy enough for a beginner to learn and rotate in perspective. Try learning to draw basic skeletons and stretch muscles over them when drawing figures.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:46:13 2019 No.3949044 >>3949029 Her right cheek is too sunken and her nose bridge too thicc. As far as values, I don't think this particular example is for good study since there's too much ambient light. Maybe something with more definable shadow?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:46:18 2019 No.3949045 File: 1.25 MB, 1200x799, hampton-gesture-3-the-hamptoning.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949034 >>3949041 (3/4. Bottom right, I started rendering the body-- getting in some anatomy.)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 06:57:54 2019 No.3949050 >>3948885 Pinterest

Anonymous Tue May 28 07:02:57 2019 No.3949054
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>>3949034
>>3949041
>>3949045
(4/4, and more rendering)

>>3949043
Thanks for the suggestions. So I should work on my torsos? (Admittedly, I have a feeling that my gesture might be adequate-- it's my anatomy that needs work.)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 07:06:07 2019 No.3949057 >>3949054 I think torsos and heads should be worked on before extending to the body but it's good to do quick full-body gestures all the time. So yeah, keep doing gestures but when learning anatomy, learn the torso and head first

Anonymous Tue May 28 07:40:43 2019 No.3949069
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>>3949029
Here you go. You are doing fine so far, you choose a pretty hard photo for this. Try to push the darker parts just like you began on the clothes where the value are indeed dark but without resorting to color picking.

Her face while appeared as one color still has darker spot around the cheek blush area, under the lip beside the nose and eyes. Since there is no color on a greyscale image you have to add the redder cheeks as darker spots.

Another thing that can be is that your monitor has either too strong or too weak contrast that hides the delicate value changes on the reference, especially since she beside a white wall.

You can try fiddle your settings a bit but if this is the best your hardware cane do then you need to rely on your anatomy knowledge of the face to find them.

Keep on trucking!

Anonymous Tue May 28 08:16:19 2019 No.3949096

>>3948967
You've given me a lot to think about anon. Thank you.

I have the general gist of what I want from the character but at the moment he really is just a couple dot points of ideas.

I'll need to get smashed, write a bunch of shit down and then cull what I don't like or what doesn't fit with what I do like.

But yeah his clothes were going to be pretty dapper for the sitting. Shoulder capes and big floppy springtime hats here we go!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 08:48:55 2019 No.3949120 >>3948538 >feel the form >feel the pose >feel the ribcage >feel the belly what drugs do I need to help me understand what he's talking about and apply it to drawing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 08:52:36 2019 No.3949121 >>3949120 basically he's saying you should draw with your pencil like you're running your hand over something 3D. He wants you to emphasize the shape of the figure you're drawing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 09:24:47 2019 No.3949141 >>3947801 >have a simple idea >can't draw it I need to practice more don't I

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 09:27:48 2019 No.3949144 >>3949141 Yep

Anonymous Tue May 28 09:45:45 2019 No.3949154
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>>3949029
Your post gave me a flashback anon.
I forgot it was from 100 heads - went for a redraw. I did left one Jan 14 during the challenge.
Your one is sort of like mine. I think it's mainly proportions.

Anonymous Tue May 28 10:04:08 2019 No.3949163
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going to attempt to explain what "feeling the form" is

it is a significant at a jump from geometry to calculus is for math

you will be effectively be able to convey form at a the z dimension intuitively thus opening a whole new world of not having to adhere to the rule "the figure must be eight heads tall and all body parts must be visible for a succesful drawing" it is scary at first but necessary. like anatomy, it isn't important to know anatomy, but it hella obvious when someone is drawing that does not know anatomy. same goes for feeling the form. your figures will be bendy fluid stickmen wireframes instead of choppy line by line contours.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 10:09:46 2019 No.3949171 >>3947801 I want to FUCK that cylinder

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 10:34:11 2019 No.3949191 >>3949069 >>3949044 Thank you for the feedback, it's very much appreciated! >>3949154 This challenge is kicking my ass, I know I shouldn't get hung up on it but I spend way too much time doing each one...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 10:43:17 2019 No.3949198 >>3949163 bahaha and that's exactly why the diagram attached to the thesis is ugly af

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 10:48:50 2019 No.3949203 File: 1.54 MB, 1913x2475, Image3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949163

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 10:57:49 2019 No.3949221 I'm getting really confused between gesture and construction drawing. Should I really be trying to draw gesture when I don't know how to draw the figure to begin with?

Anonymous Tue May 28 11:10:42 2019 No.3949244

>>3949221
>Should I really be trying to draw gesture when I don't know how to draw the figure to begin with?
Yes. Vilppu says the gesture is the most important part of figure drawing because it gives life and movement.

>Gesture
>Capturing the lifelike movement and action of the figure
>Concerned with feeling the "flow"

>Construction
>Using construction lines to illustrate the 3d volume of the figure on the paper
>Focus on using knowledge of anatomy to build the figure from the inside out
>Use constructon lines to get correct proportions
>"Feel the form"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 11:11:19 2019 No.3949247 File: 42 KB, 378x364, 1558603061954 (1).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3947801 Hey guys, what do you think of this head?

Anonymous Tue May 28 11:15:09 2019 No.3949253

>>3949244
should I be using visual measuring techniques when drawing gesture then? Cos it just feels like I'm scribbling a shitty approximation of a figure and not actually learning anything while I have to use knowledge of anatomy to finish the drawing while not knowing anything about anatomy.

Where does non-gestural observational drawing fit into all this?

Anonymous Tue May 28 11:21:38 2019 No.3949258

>>3949253
>should I be using visual measuring techniques when drawing gesture then
You should just be using your hand-eye coordination to draw it mostly proportional.

>Where does non-gestural observational drawing fit into all this?
Its just another way of approaching drawing the figure. It may work for you to take reference photos and study/draw them as accurately as possible because you don't know enough of the patterns of the human figure to apply it to your gesture.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 11:26:37 2019 No.3949261 File: 158 KB, 957x740, Image4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949203

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 11:41:52 2019 No.3949276 Any real "wrong" way on learning to draw?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 11:59:40 2019 No.3949286 File: 170 KB, 1069x710, 20190628.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any tips on how I can make the lips look more natural? I've watched a few guides but I can't get them right for some reason...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:14:28 2019 No.3949296 File: 355 KB, 838x1500, superior_sonic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949276

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:32:12 2019 No.3949314 File: 65 KB, 1024x576, bundle_01_1024x1024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any free brushes for digital sketching/gesture like the one on pic related?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 12:40:34 2019 No.3949323 >>3949286 This is really good, man. helping the lips is mostly minor subtleties, they could be a bit ore red but it works really well with the piece so far so it's good.

Anonymous Tue May 28 13:43:39 2019 No.3949388

>>3947895
Anon, I like you okay? I really do, because you post in every new thread and keep putting it out there.

HOWEVER DUDE you NEED to start finishing your drawings, the framework is all there but from what I can see you always doing the same thing over and over. Finish them one at a time, take your time and do it slowly of you have to, each time you finish one you learn something new, never stop trying different things.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:37:02 2019 No.3949448 File: 83 KB, 660x606, 2DDFB099-3159-46EC-8BC8-C1536AA50E43.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A 30mn sketch of a random streamer

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:38:28 2019 No.3949453 >>3949448 30 minutes? Record it next time and post your progress, be sure to speed it up

Anonymous Tue May 28 14:41:25 2019 No.3949458
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>>3948278
tried to do it again in digital, which I haven't touched in ages. Somehow felt more finicky than by pencil
>>3948302
I don't think I'm quite ready to fully render a complex shape like this yet, I want to do some still-life before.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:44:29 2019 No.3949461 File: 455 KB, 3152x3280, 3Dr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So I did 3 drawings not sure if the 2 you can see properly but I really want some advice on the big one. Somewhat of "painting"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:45:41 2019 No.3949462 >>3949453 My laptop is quite weak so it will lag a lot while recording

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 14:49:37 2019 No.3949468 >>3949462 Just take screenshots every 5 minutes and label the order and make them into a gif

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:09:45 2019 No.3949514 >>3949468 Thats a good idea, ill try it next time. Any criticism ?

Anonymous Tue May 28 15:09:52 2019 No.3949515

So I'm sure each of you can relate to this. I spent some time doing more learning and exploring and finally started feeling more and more confident in my skill. Of course i then hit the wall of oh fuck i have no idea what I'm doing again after making friends that are also into art just not vocal about it. This happens all the time and it kills my motivation seeing how much infinitely better someone is and how long I've got to go and how much more there is to learn before I can even think of operating on their level consistently. How do you guys deal with this?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:12:39 2019 No.3949520 File: 312 KB, 1920x1080, Screenshot_20190528-200322.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm trying to get the eyes to match, but I feel they are weird.

Anonymous Tue May 28 15:14:41 2019 No.3949525
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How much time should I spend on a value sketch? I kept working on last one because I really like the reference but it feels like I spend 10x as much time as I would when rendering on paper. Should I take my time to finish something or work within some time limit to do many sketches?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:15:20 2019 No.3949526 >>3949520 A piece of advice someone gave me that really helped is try imagining or drawing a skull underneath and it will become more clear where the eyes belong. It's much easier to use this method in digital with the use of layers though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:16:36 2019 No.3949531 >>3948455 Lmao please be a troll

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:18:40 2019 No.3949534 >>3949514 What helps with me when I'm doing life studies in doing the outlines and blocking out the forms first, use some construction to orient yourself but don't depend too much on it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:19:48 2019 No.3949536 >>3949534 Just to be clear when I say outline I mean the whole silhouette. not the head and the shoulders and the torso separately

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 15:20:47 2019 No.3949539 >>3949526 Thanks, I have studied skulls a bit I guess the problem is with the eye sockets. Any other criticism?

Anonymous Tue May 28 15:33:43 2019 No.3949551
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>>3949448
I just flipped the image and added some lines. Your drawing is really symbol heavy, even if you have started looking into how to draw with forms.

As for every human being on earth, for heads, I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 15:55:04 2019 No.3949575 >>3949461 youve got lots of talent. if you stop drawing porn im willing to help you

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 15:56:06 2019 No.3949578 >>3949520 leave beg

Anonymous Tue May 28 16:01:41 2019 No.3949589
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how worthwhile is it to do stuff like this? just creative drawing with no real goal in mind, just getting the hand, arm and lines flowing
didn't take long at all, I just loved the brush since it reminded me of drawing on a whiteboard, just throwing out shapes and lines and then building on it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:02:40 2019 No.3949591 File: 2.77 MB, 4160x3120, Just hand.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried drawing some paws, are they shit or just bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:10:13 2019 No.3949610 >>3949589 It has its place just like everything else. It's a common technique for artists to invent ideas. But don't let it be your only focus. If you want to learn how to make these more fleshed out and grounded, study some realism.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:24:17 2019 No.3949638 >>3948649 long way to go/10

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:24:52 2019 No.3949639 File: 137 KB, 800x1100, sexyhorse.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3947801 critque pls

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:27:03 2019 No.3949645 >>3949029 You're not a beginner and you're in the beginner thread

Anonymous Tue May 28 16:33:26 2019 No.3949652
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I'm attempting to build a consistant weekly schedule for art studies and practice, but I'm not sure how I should go about it.
As it currently stands I need to primarily focus on head anatomy, gesture and values, but I feel like trying to shove all 3 in at one day would hinder overall progress for all 3.
Anyone have any tips on building a studying schedule around multiple topics?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:34:36 2019 No.3949655 >>3949121 not that guy but are you saying this whole feel the form thing was just contour lines? that wouldve made more sense to me if people just called it that

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:35:43 2019 No.3949658 File: 2.41 MB, 4160x3120, IMG_20190528_214206.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949591 Feeling cute might delete later

Anonymous Tue May 28 16:36:03 2019 No.3949659
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>>3949525
Also have been working on this for probably more than an hour following top image.

Please point out if it looks like I'm doing something wrong. I'll appreciate any general advice for grayscale digital painting.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:51:36 2019 No.3949688 File: 41 KB, 695x556, bewb2-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Porn thread wasn't very helpful. What's wrong with them and how do I fix them? Red line would be helpful.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:53:29 2019 No.3949690 File: 36 KB, 708x632, boob practice 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 30-minute sketch they feel very stiff to me

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 16:56:00 2019 No.3949694 >>3949575 Thank you :) I've been drawing for a while. but not sure if I'm still a /beg/ or an intermediate Gimmie your discord or any contact. and we'll talk

Anonymous Tue May 28 16:58:00 2019 No.3949697
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>>3949520

draw the first one in your style, then either cover it up and draw the second guess-ingly

or lay in the second one upside down

basically the second you draw the first eye your brain goes EYE EYE LOOK ITS AN EYE
GO TO SYMBOL DRAWING NOW
and it makes it hard to draw the second one in perspective.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:00:25 2019 No.3949700 >>3949690 >>3949688 where are the boob masters in ic

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:02:39 2019 No.3949704
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Started out today. Doing the Stravinsky exercise from the sticky, bit I'll call it a day now, I can barely focus and need to sleep now.
Though I already feel like I fucked myself over a bit, the little inaccuracies pile up and make the whole picture look deformed. I know it's no wonder since it's my first time and all, but it's still a little frustrating.
Where should I go next? I was thinking of picking up "Drawing with the right side of your brain" and see where that'll get me.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:02:47 2019 No.3949705 File: 2 KB, 117x48, discordID.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949694

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:02:54 2019 No.3949706 >>3949700 You have to summon them first. you have to say "Awaken my masters!!!"

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:03:59 2019 No.3949707 >>3949697 terrible advice that completely misunderstands what makes drawing an extending eye hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:04:13 2019 No.3949708 >>3949704 Forgot to scale the photo down, sorry

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:05:03 2019 No.3949710 >>3949700 im pretty shit overall but i can whip up a tutorial just gotta scan through my porn stash

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:05:07 2019 No.3949712 >>3949700 how about you draw your fucking forms instead of begging. do contour (cunt-hour) lines and you might understand

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:06:10 2019 No.3949714 File: 50 KB, 465x402, xshf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949707 What would you suggest honestly can you link me to a better method because thats how ive been doing it also >>3949710 >>3949710

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:09:11 2019 No.3949719 >>3949712 ill give it a shot. don't swear at me please I'm sensitive

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:09:26 2019 No.3949720 >>3949714 theres no better way. I'm not willing to do a write up about the issues encountered when drawing eyes.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:10:28 2019 No.3949721 >>3949719 are you a faggot or a femoid so I know how to insult you best?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:11:57 2019 No.3949724 >>3949721 I get yelled at work as enough I don't need this shit faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:12:01 2019 No.3949725 >>3949659 What guide/lessons are you following?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:13:15 2019 No.3949729 File: 2.01 MB, 3036x4048, IMG_20190528_132512~2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sketches today 1/2

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:13:24 2019 No.3949730 File: 685 KB, 800x800, beg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:14:32 2019 No.3949731 File: 2.85 MB, 3036x4048, IMG_20190528_140122.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949729 2/2 I'm going to draw for another 4 hours or so when I get home from work.

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:15:50 2019 No.3949734
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>>3949720
k

>>3949714
I feel niggas been out of pocket
I feel niggas tappin' they pockets
I feel like debated on who the greatest can stop it
I am legend, I feel like all of y'all is peasants
I feel like all of y'all is desperate
I feel like all it take is a second to feel like
Mike Jordan whenever holdin' a real mic
I ain't feelin' your presence
Feel like I'ma learn you a lesson
Feel like only me and the music, though
I feel like your feelin' ain't mutual
I feel like the enemy you should know
Feel like the feelin' of no hope
The feelin' of bad dope
A quarter ounce manipulated from soap
The feelin', the feelin' of false freedom
I'll force-feed 'em the poison that fill 'em up in the prison
I feel like it's just me
Look, I feel like I can't breathe
Look, I feel like I can't sleep
Look, I feel heartless, often off this
Feelin' of fallin', of fallin' apart with
Darkest hours, lost it
Fillin' the void of bein' employed with ballin'
Streets is talkin', fill in the blanks with coffins
Fill up the banks with dollars
Fill up the graves with fathers
Fill up the babies with bullshit
Internet blogs and pulpit, fill 'em with gossip
I feel like this gotta be the feelin' what 'Pac was
The feelin' of an apocalypse happenin'
But nothin' is awkward, the feelin' won't prosper
The feelin' is toxic, I feel like I'm boxin' demons
Monsters, false prophets schemin'
Sponsors, industry promises
Niggas, bitches, honkies, crackers, Compton
Church, religion, token blacks, and bondage
Lawsuit visits, subpoena served in concert
Fuck your feelings, I mean this for imposters
I can feel it, the phoenix sure to watch us
I can feel it, the dream is more than process
I can put a regime that forms a Loch Ness
I can feel it, the scream that haunts our logic
I feel like say somethin', I feel like take somethin'
I feel like skatin' off, I feel like waitin' for 'em
Maybe it's too late for 'em
I feel like the whole world want me to pray for 'em
But who the fuck prayin' for me?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:16:01 2019 No.3949735 >>3949712 Just say you don't know how. Jeez, you don't need to be a fag about about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:16:06 2019 No.3949736 >>3949710 >>3949714 this is good anon

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:16:18 2019 No.3949737 >>3949724 lmao maybe you get yelled at because youre as shit at your job as you are at art. Maybe you deserve to be yelled at faggot. Seriously, how weak can you possibly be that youre expecting empathy from people on a crocodile-chiropractor forum?

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:17:21 2019 No.3949738 >>3949735 I definitely know, ill do it for you if you draw 100 pairs and post them all within 10 hours.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:21:34 2019 No.3949742 >>3949705 added Though I think I remember you from /IC/ Discord server haah

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:22:07 2019 No.3949743 >>3949737 naw everyone gets yelled at, it helps you remember stuff so you don't fuck up on the job, it's great for learning. >>3949738 100 in 4 hours bet you fucking cant without burning yourself out, bet you don't have the discipline to either.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:24:19 2019 No.3949744 >>3949738 That's a bit of a tall order chief

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:24:20 2019 No.3949745 If I draw every day for around five hours a day, how long should it take until I'm good enough to draw professionally?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:24:29 2019 No.3949746 File: 1.36 MB, 1856x1340, sketchybois.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Made some sketches today, really enjoying it so far.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:29:19 2019 No.3949761 File: 188 KB, 1886x1515, asdfsdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949736 su fucking goi mein neger

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:29:35 2019 No.3949762 >>3949746 What resources are you using to learn?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:30:05 2019 No.3949764 >>3949746 nice man, I love this kinda stuff, reminds me of bagboss in a way are these with references or just imagination?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:31:15 2019 No.3949768 >>3948385 https://youtu.be/4KHLmBAWFvY

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:32:36 2019 No.3949773 >>3949744 You can easily do 100 sketches in 10 hours, that's 10 an hour.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:32:49 2019 No.3949774 >>3949744 its easy, 1 torso a minute and it takes 2 hours.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:34:06 2019 No.3949778 >>3949764 >>3949762 These are from imagination and thanks to all the war videos on youtube heh, kinda gets intuitive after a while.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:34:26 2019 No.3949779 >>3949745 3 years (38k), 5 years for mid-level pro(65k), 8 years for super pro (90k).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:36:27 2019 No.3949782 >>3949779 Can I chop that in half if I draw for 10 hours a day instead?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:37:50 2019 No.3949785 >>3949782 Draw every chance you get and make that your highest priority.

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:38:29 2019 No.3949788

>>3949782
I don't think art is something you can speedrun or give an estimate on how long it will take. It's a case by case thing. Some people might learn to draw really well in a year and others might need to grind for five before getting to that point

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:43:15 2019 No.3949795

>>3949785
I'm definitely trying, but it's hard with my other responsibilities and need for sleep. I've started bringing my sketchbook everywhere I go, though.
>>3949788
The shitty thing for me is that I've been interested in drawing for my entire life but never got serious about it until recently. I'm thinking a lot about all the time I've wasted just doodling and doing nothing to actually improve.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 17:46:47 2019 No.3949801 >>3949782 no. I don't think that would make it more than 10% faster. Gains fall really quickly when it comes to art. It's kinda like going to the gym 5 hours vs 10.

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:47:50 2019 No.3949804
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Is this a good place to start for a literal beginner who's never drawn more than stick figures? I know there are loomis books available online but I actually havea copy of pic related and would rather work from something tactile and real, like an actual book

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:49:37 2019 No.3949807

>>3949795
>I'm thinking a lot about all the time I've wasted just doodling and doing nothing to actually improve.
If it makes you feel any better I've felt this way about so much stuff and I'm reading St. Augustine's Confessions and even a saint from 354 AD writes about being regretful and wasting time as a youth getting into trouble and playing instead of studying like his parents and teachers told him to.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:53:25 2019 No.3949815 >>3949804 it's very good for learning the fundamentals of drawing what you see, but I found it's geared a little more towards someone that's in an art school environment since it asks you to use a lot of live references and models

Anonymous Tue May 28 17:55:03 2019 No.3949819
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I want to follow Robertsons ,,How to Draw" but with digital. I'm /beg/ and want to learn digital art (I use CSP Pro) but I know that this book is mainly for traditional medium, so will I make things harder to myself by using tablet? I really want to draw machines and architecture.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 17:55:30 2019 No.3949820 >>3949815 Well, can I substitute live models with just images from the internet? Or is something lost?

Anonymous Tue May 28 18:01:33 2019 No.3949831

>>3949820
you can, but the author says it's never quite the same, since photos usually have unrealistic lighting (equipment) and the composition and such is already decided for you, it's already a 2D image which takes a lot out of it
not only that, photos are susceptible to stuff like lens warping and fucking the perspective, that kinda thing

if you do the upside down Igor thing and it's way off, it'll absolutely help, I can speak from experience on that front, you'll start to see every single thing that someone's failed to copy

Anonymous Tue May 28 18:09:53 2019 No.3949845

>>3949525
IMO 5 hours with 1 study is less valuable (heh) than 5 hours with 5 different studies. not to say you shouldnt spend some time on them, but at a certain point you are just polishing for the sake of polishing and not learning any more. you'll get more out of laying the base framework down over and over than spending all that time on just one study.

remember that for most studies, it's not supposed to look GOOD, it's supposed to look RIGHT.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 18:23:22 2019 No.3949863 >>3949782 NOPE If you don't get it, you don't get it, try lots and lots of things and diversify your hobbies pertaining to anything 3d/2d etc. Just plough through and get creative with your learning, grinding is for brainlets.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 18:37:03 2019 No.3949874 File: 9 KB, 335x195, mer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lads, how the hell do you merge two layers and make them combine on the canvas? I want to keep the lines from one and the colors from the other but every time I merge it keeps only one

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 18:41:29 2019 No.3949881 anyone got some tips for learning proportions? I always fuck up the relations with head/torso/legs

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:04:05 2019 No.3949907 >>3949881 Literally just read and practice from Loomis' figure drawing book. He goes through correct proportions in everything. Loomis is not a meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:06:12 2019 No.3949910 >>3949907 ima study loomis for one week and see any difference from before and after, it might be a big waste of time or it might not be. any loomis kind books for learning color?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:09:56 2019 No.3949913 >>3949910 Color and Light by James Gurney, Color Starter kit by Ctrl+Paint, Color by David Hornung

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:11:15 2019 No.3949916 >>3949874 I know for CSP and Krita its Ctrl-E, dont know if its the same on photoshop or whatever the FUCK youre using

Anonymous Tue May 28 19:13:58 2019 No.3949918

>>3949910
You're reading a book by a professional who specialized in illustrating people - if thats similar to what you want to do then not a waste of time unless you're mindlessly reading and not putting in any effort. You should be practicing by his example as you read and taking notes, you're guaranteed get better and to learn a lot you don't know.

Anonymous Tue May 28 19:26:01 2019 No.3949941

>>3949659
Ctrl+Paint videos, mainly section 9 (Basic Painting Techniques). Some anon posted top image on the past /draw/ thread, not sure where it's from.

>>3949845
Thanks for answering, I'll give the 1 hour limit a try. And maybe warm up with even shorter sketches.

By looking right instead of good I'm guessing you mean it should look like a well thought out wip instead of a 'here and there finished' work. Is that it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:33:59 2019 No.3949948 >>3949913 thanks >>3949918 ill do my best to

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:37:27 2019 No.3949954 File: 514 KB, 424x718, bluenormalbirb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Birb

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:38:37 2019 No.3949956 Drawing fast is uncomfortable guys

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:43:16 2019 No.3949965 File: 41 KB, 774x715, YOS!.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949954 yos very good

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 19:53:30 2019 No.3949979 >>3949725 >>3949941

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:05:34 2019 No.3949988 File: 23 KB, 259x600, dd56a6efd76207a9e033ab5e89b75kjh842.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3949907 First attempt

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:25:44 2019 No.3950006 >>3949874 Set your lineart to multiply and place it ontop of the other layer. In the future, do lineart on a transparent layer. Place it above the colour layer. Then merge will work as you expect it to.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:26:54 2019 No.3950009 >>3949779 double those numbers if you're nosebro

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:28:22 2019 No.3950011 File: 627 KB, 2394x1327, angie_BUTTTTT.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anatomy critique for the brown girl pls

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:29:05 2019 No.3950014 File: 307 KB, 910x775, bewbs.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:29:37 2019 No.3950015 >>3950011 ??????????? Sweetie you're not ready for an "anatomy critique" yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:31:34 2019 No.3950017 >>3950011 what am i looking at

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:32:17 2019 No.3950018 >>3950011 I really like this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:32:36 2019 No.3950019 >>3949988 I'll just take my sketchbook to bed and try until I'm too tired while listening to spongebob on my laptop

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:33:50 2019 No.3950021 File: 597 KB, 800x800, 1460199189662.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3950011 >that anatomy >taking inspiration from fucking danganronpa of all shit I can'r even loomis hard enough senpai

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:34:33 2019 No.3950023 >>3948455 thanks for giving me cancer

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:44:48 2019 No.3950033 trying to transition to digital with this $100 wacom this is giving me aids my god

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:54:23 2019 No.3950049 File: 3 KB, 148x122, who diss..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i wanna see them sketches from my sketches? very curious from >>3949690

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 20:55:50 2019 No.3950050 >>3950049 I ended up mirroring it and cringed too hard. They weren’t anything special

Anonymous Tue May 28 21:08:07 2019 No.3950067
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Someone please tell me weak spots/what to needs to be improved on the most. I think my shading lacks depth but I’d like to know what else distracts from the art. Sorry if pic is rotated, happens when I upload from phone at times

>>3949746
I like the style. There’s something to those drawings that have that scribbled and unrefined feature that make them very appealing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:09:40 2019 No.3950068 >>3950067 not /beg/

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:10:32 2019 No.3950071 >>3950011 >anatomical critique please She's brown

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:13:35 2019 No.3950075 >>3950068 It is. It’s heavily referenced with little understanding of form

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:18:55 2019 No.3950082 >>3950075 please explain

Anonymous Tue May 28 21:20:10 2019 No.3950084
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>>3949948
>>3949918
Skimmed through it a little and read the first few information pages and did the drawings exercise from "fun with a pencil". Loomis is pretty good for beginners to teach them construction (if they took the time to actually read it). great refresher for the intermediate artist that's coming from a burnout holiday.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:22:11 2019 No.3950086 >>3950082 Xhe is photocopying, when xhe should be loomising.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:24:26 2019 No.3950088 >>3950068 when do u know ur not a filthy /beg/ger anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:25:56 2019 No.3950091 >>3950088 When you get told to fuck off, and people get angry when you post your work

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:30:27 2019 No.3950094 >>3950091 that sounds like the whole board

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:30:43 2019 No.3950095 >>3950075 When drawing I just try to get the placement of everything as right as I can. Does the little understanding of form come because something looks off or the drawing looks too static?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:32:34 2019 No.3950097 >>3950095 It’s the look of the strokes and the way you draw. Could you post some work from imagination?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:33:27 2019 No.3950098 >>3949831 So, what do can I do? Get in a class? Use another book? Am I being over-analytical?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:37:32 2019 No.3950103 >>3950094 Kek, true. If you’re routinely kicked out of the thread then you’re prob not beg. It’s meaningless though

Anonymous Tue May 28 21:39:03 2019 No.3950107
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>>3950097
Strokes? Am I pressing too hard or are the lines not fluid or both? I dot really draw from imagination. I couldn’t find anything drawn that wasn’t done from reference.

These are all referenced

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 21:39:10 2019 No.3950108 >>3950082 >>3950068 youre a fucking retard dont you dare send people out again. This guy needs to stay.

>>	Nosebro Tue May 28 21:40:12 2019 No.3950110 >>3950088 ill personally tell you when you've graduated.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 21:43:20 2019 No.3950113 >>3950107 Join a lifedrawing class to take your work to the next level, you’ll end up a photorealist xerox machine at this rate. Also read the STICKY.

Anonymous Tue May 28 22:14:19 2019 No.3950128
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Ok I just started with keys to drawing. I know this is so basic and sucky there's nothing to critique and I don't expect anyone to. One thing I would like advice on though is motivation - I'm a bit worried I won't always be able to push myself to work on drawing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 22:14:48 2019 No.3950129 File: 3.48 MB, 4608x3456, 002_052819.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just started sketching yesterday, whats one thing I should work on most right now?

Anonymous Tue May 28 22:20:25 2019 No.3950135
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When do I just fucking get it? When do I just "understand" form? I felt like I did but then people told me I didn't.

Is this just some magical horseshit that doesn't exist?

Anonymous Tue May 28 22:41:59 2019 No.3950155

>>3950135
That's the same shit I'm going through right now anon I've drawn the best drawing's this year that I'm proud of, but when I show them here they are shit to everyone else but me and it's the same shit I thought I fixed, I mean I know it's not easy but this is getting ridiculous, right now I'm practicing 100 heads a day to get those right hopefully in a few weeks I should have it nailed down. HOPEFULLY.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 22:52:52 2019 No.3950168 >>3949638 Thanks bro, I'll do it in memory of you :D

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 22:54:22 2019 No.3950169 >>3949639 Stop making an ASS out of yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 22:55:58 2019 No.3950172 File: 331 KB, 828x1272, sgwen3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Some Spider-Gwen. Feedback is appreciated

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 23:45:33 2019 No.3950204 >>3949954 Looks nice. Don't really like the glittery contour though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 28 23:56:07 2019 No.3950216 File: 103 KB, 752x630, but.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:03:49 2019 No.3950226 File: 617 KB, 1080x1431, IMG_20190528_210232.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3947895 Did some fanart of her but I lost the picture with the tracksuit

Anonymous Wed May 29 00:04:20 2019 No.3950227
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>>3949941
Did two 15 minutes value sketches, thought the second reference was exactly right for practicing and decided to keep working on it. I'll try to work with images where shadows and highlights are big shapes.

I think I'm starting to get the hang of this. I might be abusing temporary layers but it feels like that's the only way to do things.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:05:14 2019 No.3950230 >>3950172 these a great, try working on a larger scale so you can get more face work in. something doesn't feel right with the web and body on the feel of it, the first drawing, can't put my finger on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:06:37 2019 No.3950231 >>3950230 i fucked up my sentence. sorry for the autism

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:27:37 2019 No.3950242 File: 84 KB, 449x707, IMG_2243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I tried to recreate a real suit of armor. I want to know a better technique for shading than just randomly scribbling all over it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:30:57 2019 No.3950245 File: 387 KB, 791x1000, BTGGF.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:41:22 2019 No.3950249 File: 450 KB, 572x792, wood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did a wood cylinder this morning, I'm struggling with highlight the faces right, waste so much time on it.

Anonymous Wed May 29 00:44:14 2019 No.3950250
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>>3950242
Draw bigger and try hatching. I first do the lineart, like the one you did.. And then select which areas are brighter and which ones are darker (in my drawing there's 6 values but do not concern yourself with that yet). Now that you did some lines to indicate the light values... Start doing focused straight lines. Very carefully and it'll look pretty, do not rush, it shows and breaks the pace. Do more lines in the dark area so it looks almost fully black, since the lines are all together, and few, way too separated lines in the bright areas. Then for the normal areas do something between that.

I think the image explains it by itself

Anonymous Wed May 29 00:47:43 2019 No.3950251
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>>3950242
Another example. The head of the guy has some clean areas, then a bit grayer and finally black, but this isn't random scribbling it's tons of well oriented lines. It also made the leg look more 3d by remarking the muscles' shadow.

But doing this in miniature is impossible at our level, we don't control the pen well enough to show bright dark and normal values with fine lines in such a small drawing

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 00:48:42 2019 No.3950253 >>3950230 Gonna switch over to digital so hopefully that will let me zoom in a bit more and get some of the facial details better. I see what you mean about the first pose being awkward. Thanks for the tips!

Anonymous Wed May 29 03:48:02 2019 No.3950282

>>3950129
I think the most striking thing to notice is that the individual piece of the face, eyes, ears and lips notably look disconnected from the rest of the face. This is due them being slightly misplaced and having quite visibly sharper/thicker lineart than the rest of the face. For instance the two eyes should have enough space between them to fit a theoretical 3rd eye in there, this is a good rule of thumb to follow that even anime follows.

Make sure that the strength of the lines is uniform an only get thicker and darker where it actually needs to be. The places where there is really dark parts on the face, where there are shadows.

About lips, while you are not wrong that men can also have rich full manly lips, they are almost never fully contoured like you are drawing them this also goes fro women. Drawing them like this gives off the impression that they are either puffed out by plastic surgery, colored by strong lipstick or alternatively you are going for a caricaturization of them.

Ears, please DO NOT NEGLECT the ears, they are a vital landmark of the head and can help greatly in creating a 3D from. There are so many artists that always neglect the ears please do not be one of them. Learn where the ears are, how big they are, how they look like and use them, you will be grateful for that later please trust me on this.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 03:51:00 2019 No.3950285 File: 386 KB, 1294x1320, inkksuperstorm1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any advice on this piece is appreciated!

Anonymous Wed May 29 04:12:04 2019 No.3950297

hey /beg
i want to get into digital art but i dont know where to start. should i do traditional first or i could go straight ahead to practicing digital?

i tried ctrlpaint.com but the program(adobe photoshop) used is out dated. i have CC atm.

and what book you recommend for beginners? im aware of loomis but i prefer a physical book.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 04:21:34 2019 No.3950304 >>3949731 >>3949729 Keep it up on Perseverance with an idea and understanding of what your aiming for is all you need.

>>	shabalaba Wed May 29 04:37:25 2019 No.3950313 File: 1.73 MB, 4160x3120, IMG_20190529_015951.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm starting at drawing, gf said that I need to use reference but I want to try my mind first

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 04:41:33 2019 No.3950315 File: 319 KB, 912x821, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3950249 And a cloth cylinder this afternoon. I'm starting to get familiar with shading now.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 04:45:00 2019 No.3950318 >>3950313 I don't know what's that supposed to be, but your drawing ability is quite good. Looks pretty organic and neat.

Anonymous Wed May 29 05:13:48 2019 No.3950339
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I have no idea why but I'm better at drawing muscular man from imagination than skinny man and women using references.
Also, any good source to learn how to draw faces?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 05:23:15 2019 No.3950348 File: 2.48 MB, 3264x2448, 20190529_122111.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3950339 Here's a skinny girl next to half of a buff huy just so you can see the difference.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:03:45 2019 No.3950402 File: 49 KB, 960x603, 14705772_1123608964396475_4778665460920400364_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3950339 >>3950348 try using construction lines to fix your proportions ( red boxes) and try Loomis fun with a pencil.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:06:02 2019 No.3950404 File: 60 KB, 650x919, 14732314_1123611007729604_5310342405890824384_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3950339 ....fun with a pencil is good for face construction as well

Anonymous Wed May 29 07:24:54 2019 No.3950414
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Am i even doing it right. I am doing Loomis body but don't know. Should I go to Hampton or am I least getting it

Sorry for big picture. I'm on vacation in 3rd world and don't know how to use anything here

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:47:08 2019 No.3950434 File: 337 KB, 640x360, 1548673316030.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Drawing from shoulder is fucking impossible

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:48:58 2019 No.3950436 >>3950172 Keep an eye on balance. Especially in the bottom right one, she's tilting to the left.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:55:32 2019 No.3950446 >>3950226 this is sick, blog?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:57:26 2019 No.3950447 File: 158 KB, 1024x725, sonhos_sketch_by_negatif1_dd812oz-fullview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 07:58:39 2019 No.3950449 File: 289 KB, 1024x725, rammstein.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 08:09:15 2019 No.3950458 File: 61 KB, 1280x720, Concern1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 11:03:22 2019 No.3950620 File: 773 KB, 3159x2019, doggo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Someone wanted me to draw their doggo, but I don't know how to texture fur at all. Does this look ok anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 11:34:45 2019 No.3950653 File: 22 KB, 450x600, 1504983164749.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will Drawabox help me to think in three dimensions? Or will it just make me want to hang myself?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 11:39:44 2019 No.3950658 File: 799 KB, 844x1195, Cocytus2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know the background is terrible, but I'm done with the lineart, going to color it now. Anyone has a good tutorial on flames and ice/crystals?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 11:55:06 2019 No.3950670 >>3950402 fuck this krenz guy is godlike

>>	Call me J. Wed May 29 12:45:28 2019 No.3950694 File: 584 KB, 3264x2448, IMG_20190529_184505.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bump I'm just a beginner. Bear with me. How can I improve?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 12:55:51 2019 No.3950700 >>3950694 First of all read the sticky

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 12:55:53 2019 No.3950701 File: 472 KB, 2480x3508, magnum_opus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >manly voice: Teehee, catch me if you can anon I think I've reached my artistic limits.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 12:58:59 2019 No.3950703 >>3950458 Very expressive. Might make it.

Anonymous Wed May 29 13:14:56 2019 No.3950712
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>>3948916
Not really, every time I try to do some study I got so sick bored I lost all interest and throw my scketchbook away. Also I have little to no time so the only draws I do is when i'm at work and there's nothing else to do.
>Pic related is someting I did while filling some shitty forms

>3949008
Thanks a lot for your suggestions anon, I really appreciate it. Never took it serious until this year and i'm doing my best to practice. I'm currently reading that Drawing with the right side book and the exercises aren't that hard to do, but I'm definitely looking those too.
To be honest, I got desperate way too easy every time I try to draw seriously. Also, as I said the other anon, I usually draw the most at work, since that kind of relaxes me but when I realize i'm doing something "nice" I just can't push on. I can't do things consistently.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 13:16:55 2019 No.3950713 >>3949008 >>3950712

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 13:50:42 2019 No.3950749 >>3950694 Dodson's Keys to drawing: https://mega.nz/#F!sSYAxKqb!f2gWy-eQZJNvRfiUTu1ASA?lOZ3TAxT

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 14:07:35 2019 No.3950766 >>3947801 How am I actually supposed to learn anatomy? Draw the human muscles over and over, and from different angles? How do I line and shade better? Any techniques?

Anonymous Wed May 29 14:36:15 2019 No.3950793
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>>3948449
Thanks anon. The proportions and form of your faces seem good, perhaps the nose on the top right face is a little too long which pushes the mouth down as well, and the eyes are too close to each other on a few instances (at least one eye should fit between the two), but other than that it’s solid. You can already start to move onto fully body figure drawings in my opinion. When it comes to drawing cute boys you need to gain a better understanding of how the facial features work together to make a face look attractive. Protruding, pointy jawline, a nose that’s not too big and a lack of unattractive details such as folds or favial hair a some elements that generally make stuff look more cute. Go study the faces you want to aim for for yourself sometime.

>>3949388
Sorry, I‘ll try to tale your advice, but I generally can only bring myself to ink things that I am genuinely happy with. Wasting less time polishing trash seems like a good idea to me, but I should probably start finishing more drawings once I reach the level where I can consistently make things not look like trash. I do need to get in more shading practice.

>>3950226
That’s pretty rad, cool stuff anon. First time somebody drew my character and it isn’t a red line.

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I should be able to finsih this by the next thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 14:44:53 2019 No.3950805 File: 551 KB, 1000x1500, beg axe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3950793 >I should be able to finish this by the next thread. speaking of which NEW THREAD has arrived! >>3950797 Used >>3948494 for new OP image

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 15:10:03 2019 No.3950837 I have a really tough time drawing curly hair , any advice?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 29 18:40:20 2019 No.3951064 >>3950694 Someone post the image of the /beg/ recommended books, I'd suggest Keys to Drawing and then Fun with a pencil

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