Vent thread

[Anonymous No.3891442]

You know the drill

[Anonymous No.3891452]

I love the idea of being a good artist and I love the idea of grinding to make it
But I hate to do it because I'm a lazy shitter who wants everything handed to him for minimum investment
thus, I procrastinate

[Anonymous No.3891465]

None of my friends are creative and I have no one to talk to about making art. I need to meet new people but I’m not good at approaching strangers, just have no clue what to say. Makes me feel fucking nutty.

[Anonymous No.3891468]

i just mowed my 2 acre fucking yard and i cant stop coughing now.

[Anonymous No.3891470]

>>3891442
I've been drawing some porn and it all looks offbeat compared to the porn on porn sites. I wonder why.
The stuff I find hot has very little in common with what people find hot

[Anonymous No.3891490]

I'll do more than making it. I'll super make it, and you will all pale and seethe in jealousy when faced with the sheer impressiveness of my work. Loomis is but the tiniest bump on my highway to success. I'll get my cake, my cake's money, then eat it too and fuck the baker's daughter. Just stand back and watch, you whiny NGMI losers.

[Anonymous No.3891492]

>>3891468
>Just soiboy problems

[Anonymous No.3891495]

>>3891490
and that's the tea, sis!

[Anonymous No.3891496]

I feel lost in how to practice.

Of course, the key is grinding, and it’s working, but I’m afraid that I can think better or use better references or otherwise make tiny changes that could make me improve so much more, especially so if compounded over hundreds of days/several years.

Like can I be doing gesture differently or should I cut what and practice some other way? Should I re-learn a better method of construction?

Idk.

[Anonymous No.3891499]

>>3891492
lets see you try it bitchboy.

[Anonymous No.3891505]

I'm strugling a lot to get a damn job that I can form a routine around so I can do something like DAD on a consistant time and have money to buy supplies with.
The chaos I'm in and the inability to ease my mind off of work shit is consuming me and not letting me work on art enough. I justwanna be like Kira and have a quiet life for a little while at least.

[Anonymous No.3891684]

I know deep down that I'm ngmi but i still live in denial.

[Anonymous No.3891686]

I think my extreme non-perfectionism is seriously limiting my progress.

[Anonymous No.3891692]

>>3891505
Wnat, Kira?

[Anonymous No.3891710]

I drew a sfw version of a character that was clearly over 20 but was still in a lewd pose with her pussy and butthole pressed against her panties. DA deleted it and two other pics I had with the same situation because the characters in their original context are kids.
Fuck DA.

[Anonymous No.3891767]

I never enjoyed anything in school, I was pretty crap at every subject. Drawing was something that seemingly I had a natural disposition towards, I remember always getting praise for it. I never liked art, but since I was "naturally gifted" in that area at 22 I figured I'd try and pursue it and make it a hobby and maybe I could grow to love it. 3 years, and 5 hours a day studying fundamentals down the line, I've gotten better, yet I still do not enjoy making art, I don't have an urge to make a cool piece, I actually hate the process of finishing work. What I've enjoyed about art is trying to get better at it, overcome challanges, personal growth, aswell as having something to work towards. Do I really care about making good art or am I just wasting my time? If I quit art I'll have nothing again, no goal to work towards, no way out of this life, that will truly be a pit of despair, and every now and then when I stop doing art I feel that despair, the despair of having nothing, going nowhere. I could get good enough to make money, but I don't even think I'd enjoy it, but the other option is I become mentally ill, loner, work at a gas station, and maybe hang myself. When I was younger I had dreams of being something, I felt like I was going to be something great, have a cute girlfriend, it really hurts when all you've done and will do is stare at a computer monitor and you have no idea what to do about it. If I really loved something, art, music, writing, anything, especially if it made me money, I'd be so happy. It's been me trying to force myself to like this, but it has been a year of feeling arts not for me. So what do I do, do I quit and that's 3 years down the drain, then I probably won't do anything else in that time. I hated school so much and was so bored out of my mind all I did was draw on my work, and I don't even enjoy drawing, life can be complete horse shit.

[Anonymous No.3891792]

>>3891767
i feel the same, i tried to quit, it felt really hopeless, i don't have anything that i can't do really. sure i can game all day, but i'll just ruin it.
maybe it's possible to learn to love the process ?

[Anonymous No.3891818]

I want to get a graphic tablet to start practicing digital drawing, but I'm too afraid to because I don't want to let my parents and brother know that I'm learning to draw

[Anonymous No.3891835]

>>3891468
pull out your grass and grow a vegetable/flower garden and then pull out your vegetables and flowers and draw them. fuck grass. what a useless plant thing

[Anonymous No.3891837]

>>3891818
Just tell them it's a hobby

[Anonymous No.3891842]

>>3891767
>>3891792
Maybe try painting, sculpting or something else besides drawing? painting doesn't seem like it takes that much effort to render, especially if you do something gimmicky like bob ross style wet on wet painting. I've been trying to teach myself piano for the last month and it's just as fucking hard as drawing is. Everything worth doing in life is hard. Maybe you've had enough of learning fundamentals and should just think for a while about what you really like. Maybe you should develop your taste, brainstorm some ideas and use your mileage to try to create a story that you like or something. Playing games and watching anime 16 hours a day is not going to satisfy you, and if you're on 4chan, being a socialite or raising a family won't make you happy either. You can take a break you know. Just a couple months. Not a big deal in the grand scheme.

[Anonymous No.3891844]

>>3891767
you need some jesus in your life honey. what is the point of drawing? to spread the gospel. that is no joke probably where 90% of the old artists got their motivation/inspiration from

[Anonymous No.3891847]

>>3891452
I know that feel. Soon I'll be changing my environment and see If it helps.

[Anonymous No.3891863]

>Just want to make comfy webcomics.
>See other people with 100k followings trying to get into webcomics but falling short cause no one is interested in their work.
>Contemplate taking the easy way out and doing porn comics because at least I can stop working part time. I hope.

[Anonymous No.3891866]

>>3891863
money out of comics, even porn, requires a lot of luck. you really have to love and believe in what you're making, and just hope it finds an audience. self promotion, branding, and marketing helps, but even then, it's like asking a baby to cry.

[Anonymous No.3891900]

>at figure drawing session
>model is skinny with really wide hips
>constantly having thoughts of myself inbetween those hips

H-how do I stop being like an incel???

[Anonymous No.3891901]

>>3891900
Get laid.

[Anonymous No.3891902]

>>3891900
Meditation

[Anonymous No.3891905]

>>3891900
Post your drawings of her.

[Anonymous No.3891907]

>>3891442
The great majority of the "friends" artists that I made are fucking NGMI I am a very kind person and that is a double-edged sword I try to help them improve but they these bastards run like cowards or even seek a way to discredit or insult me in order to avoid the redpill.
But this not only happens in art, also in 90% of my daily routine, life taught me a lot in so few years and I'm happy to share my experiences with others but it seems that most people are a pile of shit that prefer the comfort zone instead of move the rock to progress. I WANT TO KILL THEM ALL

[Anonymous No.3891908]

>>3891442
I do hope kim become a habit in all vent threads OP

[Anonymous No.3891909]

>>3891907
I am 100% the same, and believe me, killing would be the worst mistake of your life. This is a world full of bullies, stupid bullies. Best think you can do is get big so you cant have your shit kick in. They might also listen to your advice more if you look like a greek statue.

[Anonymous No.3891954]

>>3891818
I'm in the same boat, i would hate having my parents know i'm learning to draw especially since i know they would pester me about it 24/7 and imagining them seeing my shitty life drawings or anime studies makes me cringe. The way i got around this for the last 4 months is that i changed my sleeping schedule so i wake up at 2 in the morning and draw for 4-6 hours straight until they wake up. Not only did it create a routine that helped me improve a lot but they still have no idea.

[Anonymous No.3891959]

>>3891900
Embrace the glorious 2D.
Stop being a slave to 3DPD

[Anonymous No.3891973]

>>3891442
Imagine randomly walking up to Kim and stabbing him, killing him in the process...

[Anonymous No.3891976]

>>3891973
but why

[Anonymous No.3891980]

>>3891973
haha

[Anonymous No.3891981]

>>3891973
Imagine randomly walking up to Kim and fucking him, impregnating him in the process...

[Anonymous No.3891986]

>>3891442
mom wants to see my art

[Anonymous No.3891988]

>>3891907
Find a friend on your level with a good attitude. My best artist friend is very talented and hard-working, and also a great and humble person. We help and feedback each other while working on different stuff. I always feel they're one step ahead of me and I have to keep up with my game, it's motivating and enjoyable.
Just don't bother with people who make excuses and give advice only when asked to(I sparingly give advice to friends when not asked to but I know they won't mind or think I'm condescending)

[Anonymous No.3891989]

>>3891986
>he doesn't draw porn with his mom

[Anonymous No.3891990]

>>3891976
I don't know, it's frightening how a man can ruin another if he wishes to do so
Even if you're rich or talented or put hard work everyday or beautiful. anyone could end it so easily

frightening really, it makes me anxious

[Anonymous No.3891999]

>inb4 news about kjg getting stabbed

[Anonymous No.3892001]

>>3891818
I'm on the same boat but my parent is tech illiterate and think my graphic tablet is for playing game
my brother just think it is for somekind of special game

[Anonymous No.3892006]

Hows your porn-purge tumblr blog doing, anon? I'm gaining 5-10 followers max per one work now.

[Anonymous No.3892008]

>>3891988
>Find a friend on your level with a good attitude
I hope God responds to my prayers...
And yes, I'm going to take your last words. I really lose a lot of energy dealing with these people and I have even won the hatred of people that I appreciate for being an sort of asshole

[Anonymous No.3892019]

>>3891989
god i want to impregnate my mom now

[Anonymous No.3892026]

>>3891973
>inb4 some crabs get some idea after failing their loomis head for the 15th times

[Anonymous No.3892029]

>>3891973
>"Whether it needs to pass by murder, I do not know. Its history is bloody, but that may be simply due to the fact that it is such a desirable object, and arouses such passions in draftsmen." Vilppu
Remember that if you kill the original owner and take his pen, you steal his spark and add it to your own.

[Anonymous No.3892031]

test

[Anonymous No.3892050]

For some reason my creativity pops up occasionally on it's own when it feels like rather than when I want and it irritates me. I just want to sit down and make something from the get go or at least with some brainstorming that leads to an eventual outcome but 50% of the time my mind is just left blank leaving me at a loss and I don't know of anyway to fix it. It's demotivating. It's baffling how people can just come up with exactly what they want on the spot like it were given to them.

[Anonymous No.3892051]

I'm scared I might get glaucoma and lose my sight. My drawing and paintings are all I got going for my sanity.

[Anonymous No.3892061]

>>3892029
I thought you had to steal a sample of poop, freeze it then stick it up your butt?

[Anonymous No.3892068]

>>3892061
You're well informed, that's a more obscure method, but it works too.

[Anonymous No.3892094]

>>3891900
embrace it, draw yourself inbetween those luscious hips

[Anonymous No.3892140]

I feel like i went for a stylized black&white and flat-shaded artstyle only because i cant make colors look good, cant blend colors and dont know how to use shading and reflection of light properly. I also feel like i use straight lines to shade as a cheap trick to make drawings look good. Idk what to do, i dont hate my style or anything but sometimes i just feel like i rely on crutches way too much.

[Anonymous No.3892215]

When I see someone make something I love I want to kill myself for not being that good. If I could channel that energy into being productive I'd do anything for it but now I'm on route to drink the day away before wage slaving tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.3892227]

>>3891976
to steal his powers, what else

[Anonymous No.3892278]

>have bought and sold several drawing tablets over the course of one year due to fickle attitude towards drawing
>own various traditional drawing and painting materials; never actually use most of them
>draw just mindless doodles and sketches; can't be bothered to finish anything because I end up getting bored half way through(possibly ADD)
>get the urge to make friends on social media and share my art; im antisocial as fuck
> end up deleting everything anyway
>too afraid to share all my work even though I have no online presence and no one cares so I have literally nothing to lose

Just art feels guys :^)

[Anonymous No.3892290]

I’m in love with digital. I fucking hate drawing in trad but I still feel the constant need to do it from time to time because imposter syndrome is a bitch.

[Anonymous No.3892295]

I really hate when people draw stockings like this. I get why but ugh do people really wear tights this tight? It gets to the point where your circulation gets cut off wtf. It suddenly got super popular in the last two years. I'm borderline offended.

[Anonymous No.3892297]

>>3892295
skindentation

[Anonymous No.3892306]

>>3892295
I love it when it's subtly done. It would be uncomfortable on that pic you linked.
Clearly I see more and more of it for some reason.

[Anonymous No.3892309]

>>3892051
It's terrifying, I'd just an hero if I lost my sight.
Any reason in particular why you're scared of it? Is it running in your family?
>>3892215
Careful with the drinks anon. Don't do that too often. You have the right idea, now think about a way to channel that energy into being productive.

[Anonymous No.3892324]

>>3892278
iktf with buying and selling supplies, i've wasted so much money on oils and other garbage

[Anonymous No.3892417]

>>3892295
why are you comparing real life to anime? are you a woman perchance

[Anonymous No.3892422]

>>3892306
Oh yeah. I love this when it's subtle. I only do it like >>3892295 with bondage, cause it's meant to be tight.

[Anonymous No.3892437]

>>3892417
Because media has blasted into my mind and founded shrines of insecurities through my life and I have yet to fully crawl away from the labyrinth of "must look like x or you're nothing". Yeah I'm a Femanon. I used to be worse about more but I've been getting a grip the last few years. I'm less annoyed by it now than I used to be but a few months ago it gave me real issues. And because I like anime the most for some reason if I don't look like a 2d image or like 2B from Nier I'll have to do some mental coping. Sometimes I think it's abnormal to feel and think that way, but I don't wanna be weird so I gotta grow in my mind and with my art. Probably more than you asked for but I already typed it all so /post.

[Anonymous No.3892445]

>>3892437
sharpie in pooper fag

[Anonymous No.3892462]

>>3892437
you are not well. you are suffering from mental issues and are obviously very confused. I think you should find some help before you end your own life. I have SSRI before and they really, really help. Call a hotline before it's too late. Please.

[Anonymous No.3892463]

>>3892462
>SSRI
jew mind control

[Anonymous No.3892466]

>>3892417
>>3892295
Not unrealistic tho

[Anonymous No.3892469]

>>3892466
My issue with it is that it's so dang tight it just looks uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.3892473]

>>3892437
have sex

[Anonymous No.3892474]

>>3892466
yeah but this is softcore porn. why would you want to look like a whore? Why are you sad that you don't look like a disgusting attention seeking literal whore? Please get help.

[Anonymous No.3892500]

>>3892437
pls be my gf

[Anonymous No.3892501]

>>3891442
Right now I'm having issues pushing myself. I'm not satisfied by where I'm at, but I find myself only being able to doodle or sketch for satisfaction. I can plan paintings and pieces for hours but they never get made. I think I am too insecure to leave my doodle journal and make something else.I used to make so much work.

[Anonymous No.3892505]

>>3892469
its not that bad. theres a lot of fat on the legs. doesn't really take much to pull it in. I mean just look at ur legs after having socks on all day, has kinda same effect there.

[Anonymous No.3892512]

>>3892309
There's like only one uncle in my maternal side who said it. I'm scared because I got a check up recently and the optician said I might be susceptible to it.

[Anonymous No.3892527]

>>3892437
femanon here too. At one point I just got tired of overthinking and stop caring about it. Stop consuming media that makes you severly insecure and please take care of yourself. Go outside, get some sunlight, eat healthy and get your body moving. Sitting in front of your pc 12 hours everyday in a dark room is really bad for your body and greatly affects one's mind

[Anonymous No.3892533]

>>3892512
Be careful then, get a checkup if you ever feel something wrong. If it happens and you catch it early, laser surgery can fix it before it happens.

[Anonymous No.3892634]

I'm starting to worry that the media I consume is killing my ability to make good art. All my head is filled with is video games and anime titties.

[Anonymous No.3892657]

Why some non-nsfw artists have so much animosity against nsfw artists?

I don't do strong stuff, basically just vanilla pin-ups and when I have ranted against the increasingly censorial policies of the mainstream art sites that have come to affect me and get me increasingly anxious and worried about the future, I almost always get comments that tell me that it serves me right for x reason, that I should just go somewhere else, etc...

[Anonymous No.3892673]

>>3892437
Trying to look like yohra 2B is a noble goal that all women should pursuit.
But 3DPD should cope with the fact that they will never reach the perfection of 2D

[Anonymous No.3892677]

>>3892437
If I feel insecure about something, as a guy, I work out. Brings me closer to whatever fantasies I might have. You could try that too. Obviously adjusted to your body goals.

[Anonymous No.3892693]

>>3891818
Get an iPad and the Apple Pencil. It’s as powerful an illustration tool as the Cintiq, but your family won’t take it seriously at all.

[Anonymous No.3892700]

I can't get any fucking work because I suck but instead of getting better I just shit out work at my current level. Like I know I'm on a plateau but I just refuse to try to overcome. The few times I do step out of my comfort zone make me realize how shit I really am and thus devolves into me just looking online for "references" and before I know it I've pissed away 3 hours on YouTube doing fuck all.

I don't know how to connect legs to a torso without making the person look fucking deformed

I don't know how to render in general and it pisses me the fuck off. If I could git gud at rendering I could at least polish my turds to the point where normies would pay for it and just never draw below the waist.

[Anonymous No.3892701]

>>3892700
Have you done any local figure drawing sessions? Drawing from right in front of you is the best for anatomy. Watching people draw from life also helps.

[Anonymous No.3892702]

someone liked one of my shiity drawings so I posted it on Twitter and it got 20 likes and I felt so grateful and in disbelief that anyone could unironically like my garbage, It actually made me regret being an awful person

[Anonymous No.3892705]

>>3892701
there aren't any. There's absolutely no support for creative types in my area. There's a museum and this weird place for weird sculptures and stuff but nothing as far as learning goes. Even if there were, I work nights so I'd likely never get to go.

[Anonymous No.3892709]

For the first time i just erp'd through private message in a video game. I nutted 5 mins just before though, so i felt like i was being used. goddamn I'm filthy. actually not art related but I did get 2 new twitter followers whilst this was all happening.

[Anonymous No.3892738]

>>3891442
Where is Yu Gi Oh off to ?

[Anonymous No.3892857]

>>3892709
gay af

[Anonymous No.3892868]

>>3892657
There is a modern culture of repressed people that try to be exceedingly ''clean'' in word thought and deed, except these people are the worst offenders of all. Think thought police trying to censor ''bad'' words and media while at the same time being deviants and criminals in private. It's basically Orwellian doublethink

[Anonymous No.3892876]

>>3892709
Congrats youre now a slut

>>3892657
Think of them as the equivalent of overly religious people. Most of them are probably repressed too

[Anonymous No.3892877]

>get an idea for a painting
>get all hyped about how good it will look
>get to computer
>open up photoshop
>do some scribbles for 5 minutes,then close it and start playing some videogame

why the fuck do I do this

[Anonymous No.3892884]

>>3892877
Ideas are hype and video games is more fun than scribbling. Just submit to the idea that you'll never draw.

[Anonymous No.3892891]

>>3892709
>erping
come on anon...

[Anonymous No.3892898]

>>3891442

Now that I have started to successfully enter the animation industry I have realized that I actively dislike about half the people in it.

Oh well, I didn't get this job to make friends.

[Anonymous No.3892905]

>>3891986
I always have another drawing somewhere underneath just in case there's a visitor who wants to look.
I also do this with my sketchbook, I always have a WIP ready on a page just in case some curious person wants to see what I'm doing. I draw on both ends of the sketchbooks so I can show all the drawings from the first few pages and then close the sketchbook when I get to a blank one.

[Anonymous No.3892906]

>>3892891
which one came first, this one or the furry one?

[Anonymous No.3892907]

>>3892891
Clearly missing the point huh.
Ngmi material

[Anonymous No.3892937]

>>3892462
but his projected gf was 3d too, justs 1 and 0 in a machine, but still 3d

[Anonymous No.3892959]

>>3892437
>or like 2B from Nier
This is way unrealistic standards. No real woman could ever be as hot as 2B, she's pure concentrated sexual fantasy. Can you switch your mindset so that you compartmentalize art and elevate yourself with it instead of feeling pain? I have dealt with really bad thoughts all my life (serious shit, got hospitalized, did therapy, etc.), you need to focus and change your perspective when the problem comes up.
You don't look like a perfect anime woman and that hurts you, but maybe you can draw one that is just as sexy? Understand that your art is you, it's an extension of you, so maybe you can satisfy this need for beauty with your art. Try some things like that, it can really help. You need to redirect this force, you can't suppress it because by containing it you will just put it under pressure.
If it doesn't work at first don't worry, just be conscious that you are safe, you're not in a hurry and you will eventually work this out. This is a mental exercise that takes time. If you get used to approaching problems this way you can achieve some pretty nice feats with willpower.

[Anonymous No.3892984]

>>3892857
>>3892891
>>3892876
>gay slut
i swear i was being ironic, i got carried away typing out smutty shit while laughing irl.
>haha imagine your mommy spanking your rear until your legs give out, turning your cheeks crimson red in front of dozens of onlookers. you quiver and clamor on the ground, your tender rear nicely framed by your stockings and laced skirt. she continues to administer unrelenting spanks as you slur incomprehensively in forgiveness and pleasure. just imagine no homo haha

[Anonymous No.3892999]

>>3892959
thanks

[Anonymous No.3893013]

>>3892984
>I'm not gay
>posts buttstuff pic

[Anonymous No.3893015]

My back FUCKING hurts
Every time I draw for 2+ hours it fucking hurts
I take breaks, I massage my back, I lay flat on it, I do deadhangs

And it still fucking hurts when I'm done

[Anonymous No.3893016]

>>3893013
You don't have to be gay to enjoy but stuff. There are a lot of nerve endings where your sphincter is and at the entrance of your rectum. Though unless you're aroused it wouldn't feel comfortable.

[Anonymous No.3893018]

>>3893015
That really sucks Anon. I assume you have good posture if you're dead hanging as well. Have you thought of getting a back brace or a standing desk/art station? Is this problem in your family? You may have something worse than just pain.

[Anonymous No.3893022]

>>3892898

Only half ? The animation industry must have a disproportionate number of nice guys in it. Lucky you, I guess.

[Anonymous No.3893042]

>>3892437
PYW
>>3892463
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.3893050]

>>3893015
Your bed.
The problem is your bed.
I bet your bed is soft, tight? Like, VERY soft.
You need to sleep in a hard surface - basically the floor covered with a thin blanket - for about three days, and only after THREE DAYS your sore back will return to normal.
I did it a go ten years ago, and after that i never, NEVER had back problems again. And i stay sit for hours and hours drawing.

[Anonymous No.3893062]

>>3891490
Hey, at least you have faith in yourself.

[Anonymous No.3893068]

>>3893050
ugly drawing anon is right

scoliosis here. started sleeping on the floor a few years ago, no back problems ever since

[Anonymous No.3893069]

See a lot of artists on Twitter who post nothing but their own original artwork that is not a fan art and based on any established IPs and they have huge amount of followers and likes. At the same time when I post anything of my own that is not fan art I don't get any attention at all.

I don't understand how those artists were able to become popular in the first place with their original art.

[Anonymous No.3893070]

>>3892898
How come? What is it about half the people that sucks?

[Anonymous No.3893071]

>>3891490
>And that was the last we've heard of him...

[Anonymous No.3893086]

>>3891442
Worst feeling in this board is when no one replies to your drawings asking for criticism. It makes me feel like i am not just amateurishly bad, but inconveniently bad. So bad that people dont even know what to say about it or how can i improve. No one even relates to me, i feel like a talentless alien. So fucking sick of this shit

[Anonymous No.3893096]

>>3893069
They jumped in a trend or done fanart in the past but eventually branched out to make original art

[Anonymous No.3893098]

>>3893086
Might be too bland and boring. If it's freakishly bad, you'll get more yous than the good ones

[Anonymous No.3893103]

>>3893086
If you post really shitty drawings drawn on lined paper then yeah, people are not replying to you.
but if you're not /beg/ it's probably subject matter

[Anonymous No.3893114]

I'm an absolute /beg/ and I want to learn how to draw, but everytime I get home I lose any will to draw and start watching videos or playing videogames. Why am I so retarded

[Anonymous No.3893117]

>>3893114
You're not retarded anon. You just need to practice your willpower and discipline to do shit

[Anonymous No.3893121]

I hate internet /pol and /b culture, and it disgust me to have to cater to racist virgin losers to make a living...

[Anonymous No.3893125]

I want to be an art mentor to a beginner but I am afraid of the concentrated rage/autism from artists because I know we're all terrible people.
Either you're inwardly destructive or outwardly destructive. I don't want to encounter the latter.

[Anonymous No.3893146]

>>3893117
How do I do that tho? Do I just force myself to sit down and draw stuff?

[Anonymous No.3893154]

>>3893146
join DAD

[Anonymous No.3893159]

>>3893146
yeah something like that. Go watch some videos about stopping procrastination and forming better habits. Vidya games and the internet are designed to distract you from doing actual work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UsI9CXHm6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXD8QjpQrFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N60bMFqkcpU

[Anonymous No.3893163]

>>3893159
just to add, get more sleep. Lack of sleep severely fucks up your focus and decision making and just overall brain activity during the day

[Anonymous No.3893167]

>>3893114
I don't have much of a passion but I do the same, I have a lot of classmates in class that draw and I'd like to try to learn it, but when I get home I lose my will. Tomorrow when we get home let us both force ourselves to draw, ok?

[Anonymous No.3893171]

>>3891452
Just keep drawing, Anon. The best way to make it is to keep going no matter how much it hurts. You can do it I believe in you!

>>3891465
If you can't find a local group then the internet is your best bet. Post in other places than /ic/ and you'll find more people willing to help. Keep your chin up, anon!

>>3891470
You'll be able to introduce something not many people get to see then and create a niche. Keep up the good work, anon!

>>3891490
You can do it, anon!

>>3891496
Try anything new or constantly be learning something as you do your own works. The knowledge of new things will open doors to other new things which will eventually find answers. Of course, the best way to improve is to keep on drawing and trying! Don't ever stop, Anon I believe in you!

>>3891505
It's very tough but do as much as you can when you can. Even if it's just a tiny bit on breaks or even just thinking about a painting or drawing you want to do during work can help! Keep trying, Anon you'll find peace eventually!

>>3891684
There's nothing wrong with being a hobbyist or just moving at your own pace. There is a lot of time to improve so take it at a reasonable pace. As long as you keep trying you will keep improving and eventually come to a point that you want to be at. Never give up hope, Anon we're all gonna make it if we just keep trying!

>>3891686
Being a perfectionist can limit your progress as well so don't think of it in terms like that. Just always try your best and when you feel a piece is done then move on to the next and try to remember what you learned the previous time. Try to always take something away from your last piece! It's okay to move on when you feel you should, Anon keep going!

[Anonymous No.3893174]

>>3891767
Sometime's it's best to let go completely or just be okay with being a hobbyist and not worrying about your improvement as much. Take some time, while doing your art, to find other things that you enjoy and start learning about them. If you find something that you like more then chase it. If you truly don't like art it's okay to move on to something else but you gotta be able to push yourself into that new thing you want to do and learn about it in much the same way you like to improve on your art. You can do it, Anon take the plunge!

>>3891818
You have to start somewhere! If you truly can't get over those feelings then hide it when it's not in use. Put it in a drawer or something. They don't need to know everything about your personal life and it's okay to do something like that in your private space. Go for it, Anon become to artist you want to be!

>>3891863
It's okay to be secure financially in some other aspect of your life and do what you want to do art wise on the side. Unless you can afford doing a web comic full time then it's best to do it in your spare time and put all of your love and effort into it. If your work is quality and you put your soul into it then others will eventually notice. Create that web comic you want, Anon put your burning passion into it and bring it to life!

>>3891900
Masturbate before going to life drawing sessions. That way your mind is clear to make better decisions and focus on your improvement instead of focusing on her hips. There is nothing wrong with liking those hips and wanting to give her the ol sinner's hug. Relieve yourself, Anon and focus on your improvement you can do it!

[Anonymous No.3893177]

>>3891907
It is difficult for most people to put their heart into their works only for them to get seemingly torn apart. Every critique to a naive fledgling artist can be a direct attack on their heart! If you want to help them don't be too harsh but tell the truth. However, you should strive to be in a room of bigger fish, Anon! Try to make friends with artists that you can learn from and continue to grow. Don't let the hatred consume you, Anon go seek the bigger fish!

>>3891986
If you know your mother loves you then she will always support you, Anon. Make the connection and further your familial bond by engaging with your mother so you have something to talk about! She will appreciate that you are applying yourself in life and want to support you. Let your mother into your heart, Anon expose yourself!

>>3892050
The best way to overcome any problem you have with your art is to simply continue drawing! Even when you don't feel that spark you should keep trying! It is the best way to overcome those feelings. Eventually you will learn how to overcome that block and be able to create even without the spark. What you need to understand is that those artists who can create at any time have put in the effort to overcome that very same problem. Keep pushing, Anon I know yo u can do it! No matter how hard it gets just remind yourself that you will overcome!

>>3892140
Try to do the things you want to be able to do, Anon! The only way to improve and move on to other techniques is to do them and fail and eventually succeed. Read about the ways you want to draw and paint and get out of your comfort zone and keep trying. You will imrpove, no doubt, as long as you keep drawing and painting! Never give up, Anon and push yourself out of your comfort zone!

[Anonymous No.3893179]

>>3891986
LMAO this just happened to me today and Im still beg
I'm just going to lie with a work that I didnt make

[Anonymous No.3893180]

>>3892215
The only way to get to where you want to be is to draw! All roads of improvement lead to one place: Consistent drawing and painting. There is no single problem you will not be able to eventually overcome if you keep practicing. Don't compare yourself to others, Anon it is a road to self destruction. Every artist that is where you want to be has had a long journey that was hard. It won't be easy but the rewards are truly worth it. Never give up, Anon! I believe in you.

>>3892278
It is hard to expose yourself to others. When we put our feelings, heart and soul into our art every negative thing people may say hurts to the core. It can be difficult to overcome but it is inevitable in the improvement of your self. If you feel the urge to quit please do not sell your tablet or delete your work. Simply step away from it for a while until you are comfortable with returning. I promise you most people out there will support you as long as you allow yourself to be vulnerable. It is okay to feel fear, Anon we all do. That is what eventually makes us great!

>>3892290
Imposter syndrome is difficult to work through. Take some time every couple of months to place your old art next to your new art to see how much you have improved. It will truly help you realize how far you have moved along. Of course, it could help to do a bit of traditional in your spare time as well if you feel so inclined. Keep moving forward, Anon you are on the right path!

>>3892501
The best way to overcome those feelings and to improve is to simply keep on drawing and painting! It will be tough and uncomfortable but keep it in your mind that it truly is the best way to get to where you want to be. Keep going, Anon! You can do it!

[Anonymous No.3893181]

>>3892634
It's okay to create what you like. Don't be ashamed to create something because you feel it is too commonplace or not up to your standards. If you enjoy creating a piece then by all means do it. Not every piece of work needs to be held up to your highest standard. Those pieces that you put your soul into will come but in the meantime feel free to draw some oingo boingo big anime hogs. Express your inner desires, Anon!

>>3892657
It can be tough to deal with social stigmas but you should still pursue what you want to the most. There are other welcoming communities out there you just need to seek them out. Don't let them get to your head and keep creating and improving yourself to show them your worth. You are what you want to be, Anon! Don't let the toxicity corrupt you!

>>3892700
It is a vicious cycle to be stuck in. I can guarantee you the best way to get out of it is to simply keep drawing and learning. It will be hard. It will hurt and exhaust you. You will hate it. But if you truly want to get better you will have to jump into it. It's not easy to improve on that level but the rewards are truly worth it if you feel it is where you need to be. Never give up, Anon I believe in your ability to improve!

>>3892702
There are people out there who genuinely will like what you do. You have to be willing to expose yourself and let your works out into the world, Anon. It can be tough but I promise you that you will find an audience for your work. Believe in yourself, Anon and become the best version of yourself that you can be! Others will recognize your talents.

[Anonymous No.3893182]

>>3892877
You have a preconceived notion of where you want to be with your art. It can be demotivating to feel your limits but the only way to get to where you want to be is to keep drawing and learning! No road block can't be overcome with practice and learning. The fact that you can visualize what you want clearly is a great indication of your artistic ability! Now is the time to buckle down and learn to translate that to the canvas. You can do it, Anon just keep trying!

>>3892898
There is still that other half! Regardless of how you feel about your co-workers you don't need to be close personal friends. It's perfectly okay to have your friend group outside of work. Art can be a job also and should be treated like any other in that case. Bring your talents to the table but leave your personal baggage at home! Your work will be a shining beacon, Anon I believe in you!

>>3893069
Like any other artist they accrued a fan base over time! It takes a lot of effort and time on your part to be able to get people to actively participate with your work. Don't let that dissuade you, Anon! Keep putting your soul into your work and over time people will recognize. Keep putting yourself out there and spread the word that is your art! You can do it, Anon!

[Anonymous No.3893185]

>>3893086
Unironically post on other platforms. Get out of /ic/ and find other art specific forums. There are tons of communities out there. I would recommend being active on as many as you can and participating in their critique threads. Sticking to one place like this won't yield enough results over time. It is good to spread out even if you want to stay here as well! Break the shackles, Anon! Fly free out into the world of art and others will surely help you along the way if you keep trying!

>>3893114
The only way to get to where you want to eventually be is to keep drawing and painting! There is not one problem that consistent practice and learning cannot solve. It will be tough and it will hurt. It will exhaust you but over time it gets easier. Take your time with it and don't feel the need to rush. You have plenty of time, Anon! As long as you stick to it and do as much as you can each time you sit down and push yourself you will eventually overcome! I believe in you, Anon and would love to see your work some day in the future!

[Anonymous No.3893186]

>>3893167
>Tomorrow when we get home let us both force ourselves to draw, ok?
cute post

[Anonymous No.3893189]

>>3893171
>>3893174
>>3893177
>>3893180
>>3893181
>>3893182
>>3893185
Same poster? quite based if you ask me, good answers

[Anonymous No.3893193]

>>3893171
>>3893174
>>3893177
>>3893180
>>3893181
>>3893182
>>3893185
holy shit, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.3893205]

>>3891844
>Steel Platemail greaves during the time of jesus's crucifixion.

Nigga wha

[Anonymous No.3893226]

>>3893163
>>3893159
Thank you for the suggestions and the videos anon, I really appreciate it.
>>3893167
Hell yeah man let's do this, we have to make it!
>>3893154
I didn't know about this, it looks very interesting too! Thanks anon!
>>3893185
Thank you for the tips and for believing in me, and also for taking the time to answer my post and all the other ones, you're absolutely based anon.

[Anonymous No.3893473]

>>3892437
Is this what drives women to draw ugly tumblr style art

[Anonymous No.3893542]

>>3893069
What other anons said about doing fanart in the past as well as having algorithm friendly follows and followers. It's really easy to get signal boosted by other artists doing something similar. It's a trap to follow your influences but not your contemporaries.

[Anonymous No.3893670]

>>3892437
femanon here too i hate it when i cant see my drawings because my big boobies get in the way teehee

[Anonymous No.3893677]

>>3892868
>>3892876
>>3893181
Thank you guys <3

[Anonymous No.3893678]

I hope I was better at drawing and had a clear style I could stick to. I spend hours just thinking about a worthwhile composition, and then some other hours thinking about how realistic I want to render it which in turn will change the composition to match the new tone.

Yesterday I tried to draw a girl seeing ghosts on the street. At first it was heavily stylized and colorful like the Spiderverse movie.. Then I decided I was over cartoons and thought about making it realistic and a bit more creepy. I had many ideas like that and at the end of the day I didn't draw at all.

[Anonymous No.3893696]

>>3893473
Based

[Anonymous No.3893780]

I'm in school to acquire an associate's art degree that'd facilitate the progress of me getting into the animation industry, since my personal circumstances makes it very difficult otherwise. The teachers already admit there's nothing they can really teach me, so I'm just attempting to get accreditation and the opportunity for networking and a broader array of options in terms of artistic career choices. Ideally, I'm to work on my personal portfolio, learn all that I can about animation on my own, apply it, and display it in my artwork for future prospects while using some of the money I get to make it easier.

But, these professors' assigned work is absolutely soul crushing. My drawing class is mostly bullshit arts and crafts which, half the time, have fucking nothing to do with actually drawing but are more like worthless modern 3D arts that elementary school kids would fucking do for fun. Nothing I'd be able to put in my portfolio that'd be qualified as even remotely relevant to my career path. In addition to that, the frequency of which we do these assignments is very high and graded very strictly while I also have other classes to deal with. And my professor is a fucking unorganized mess, occassionally forgetting when the due dates are, changing them mid-week, giving us ill advice on materials, and asking us to do time consuming tasks in a fraction of the time one should complete them while ignoring any other possible tests, exams, and assignments we could get from other classes.
I figured I'd be learning more about the fundamentals in detail while being closer to producing stuff like >>3893677, but we only gloss over them from a book and are given short quizzes with arbitrary questions that demand objective answers and weigh heavily on our grade in the class.
I fucking hate it here. I'm trying to make the best of it, but it seems like new circumstances are working against me to ruin my spirit for all of this.

[Anonymous No.3893803]

>>3893677
How do I get this good?

[Anonymous No.3894166]

I feel so alone all the time.
My life over the last few years has been a really quiet miserable one.
Self harm, suicidal ideations, assisting therapy, taking pills, trying to get back on track but failing and feeling crushed under the pressure of everything I've done wrong. The past 2 years I've been suffering from really bad anxiety issues and last year I was diagnosed with autism.
I just want to die.
I've tried to come to terms about it and just accept I cannot change. That I'll be shitty as always and feel something is off about me compared to the rest, but I can't.
People scare me more than anything now, their judgement scares me. I feel like everything I do outs me or puts me in the spot and I feel like there's no other way. I've been wasting my time going to therapy and I've bothered people enough now.
Yet I cannot kill myself, I don't wanna make my parents suffer, nor I wanna get back to anyone. I just kinda want to disappear and be done with this charade. I feel so ridiculous.
So yeah, thats why I haven't been able to draw at all this past month, every time I pick up a pencil and I see how bad I am my anxiety spikes and I feel to need to lay down and cry.
At least is not like I'm disappointing anyone without posting art, my following barely reaches two digits and most of them are japanese bots anyways.

[Anonymous No.3894268]

I've heard pros and art friends talk about "visualising" and that it helps their imagination stuff a lot but I don't really get it. One was drawing on stream and even showed the difference; one figure with neat lines that they visualized properly, and two more messy ones which they hadnt.
I don't get it. I'm not good at imagination stuff at all, is it because I just gently wander around to find and feel out the shapes I want instead of doing a visualising thing?
I feel like too much of a retard to ask these people.

[Anonymous No.3894282]

>>3891692
i think he meant jojo character, the one with bomb powers
basically anon wants to be boomer

[Anonymous No.3894287]

>>3894268
Lie back and visualize for a while. It takes some time to get a clear image but makes a huge difference when you know what something is "supposed" to look like vs. blindly hunting for it. I know some artists aren't as visual and it weirds me out as to how they manage to do anything at all.

[Anonymous No.3894290]

I have the same exact problem. From what I understand, although some people can naturally visualize full images naturally, the majority of people can do "flash visualization" which is where I say "white elephant" and a vague image/memory-image of one appears for a second in your mind's eye.

As far as having an image that you can actually hold in your minds eye, rotate, zoom in on details, and keep consistent, for most people this takes a lot of practice. I've done a lot of work with consciousness/dream states/lucidity and one of the techniques I came upon was image streaming. I haven't done it myself but many have reported it works.

Personally, I can visualize pretty well when I'm doing something menial and absolutely unrelated to "searching" for an image. For instance, washing the dishes, walking the dog, and especially when taking a shower. The exceptions to this are near-sleep states such as the moment I wake up before I move, and right as I'm falling asleep (useful states for artists to play around in, I might add).

Another thing that works is my fiance loves it when I draw on her back with my finger or a capped pen so she can relax before bed. When she asks me to describe what I'm drawing, I can actually visualize really well and slowly build up a full image. It's super helpful for both of us.

Sorry for long post

[Anonymous No.3894294]

>>3894290
>>3894268
Meant for this post

[Anonymous No.3894306]

>>3894290
>consciousness/dream states/lucidity and one of the techniques I came upon was image streaming
This works, can confirm with enough (lots) of practice. I used to attempt lucid dreaming/astral proj/sleep paralysis but stopped due to work schedule and I'm prone to imagining horrifying images at night.

[Anonymous No.3894308]

>>3894306
Adding to the lucid dream practice, go search guided meditation in youtube as well. It's literally a visualization practice.

[Anonymous No.3894311]

'Anon colour theory isn't hard!'

>colour blind

[Anonymous No.3894312]

>>3894306
Yeah I haven't actively practiced for a month or two but still getting bursts of 5 or so spontaneous lucids. I tried for like 6 or 7 years and then all of the sudden last august it sort of clicked and I've had close to 200 since then. It's pretty cool. But it made me appreciate my regular dreams too, they can sometimes be even more engaging and interesting.

>>3894308
This is pretty great for relaxation and can help improve visualization skills as well

[Anonymous No.3894317]

>>3894311
RIP

[Anonymous No.3894327]

>>3894311
any good color tutorials? i really struggle creating appealing palettes

[Anonymous No.3894374]

I had a talk with someone and I got hope. I'm gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.3894376]

>>3891492
>basedboi
>taking care of his homestead
???

[Anonymous No.3894377]

>>3891959
>trading one slavemaster for another
Or just stop being a slave to your dick

[Anonymous No.3894378]

>>3892008
You are literally me. Wanna be art friends?

[Anonymous No.3894389]

I went through some old sketchbooks and I felt pretty good about my progress until I hit my perspective sturdies, I’ve declined since then because I’ve put too much effort into anatomy and procrastinated. It’s an odd feel. I wanna make it but I have no idea how, I change ambitions every 6 months but art is normally incorporated some how. It just makes making it harder without a clear goal.

[Anonymous No.3894429]

I feel like an idiot putting 16 hours into each of my finished pieces when i see other artist finish stuff that looks just as good if not better than my shit in 4-6 hours

[Anonymous No.3894443]

>>3894290
>my fiance loves it when I draw on her back with my finger or a capped pen so she can relax before bed. When she asks me to describe what I'm drawing, I can actually visualize really well and slowly build up a full image
That's very cute

[Anonymous No.3894450]

>>3891442
I WANT A GF I WANT A GF I WANT A GF AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH GODDAMMIT!!!!! I AM SO LONELY AND HORNY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.3894456]

>>3894450
based

[Anonymous No.3894547]

>>3894443
Yeah reading back over that post really makes me appreciate that about her. You really don't realize how great what you have is in the moment.

>>3894306
Misread your post and missed the image streaming part. So you've done IS? What was your method* and how long did it take for you to see results? Do you have to keep practicing to keep the results consistent?

*AFAIK the main method I've found is just closing your eyes and describing to an "active listener" (person or tape recorder) what you see for around 10-30 minutes per session.

[Anonymous No.3894585]

Art related vent, I guess.
I got into fine arts about 3 years ago, I know why I did and what I want to do with it. I don't care about careers, jobs, being famous. I did it because I want to learn to express things in a unniversal way that can touch people the same way I've been moved by paintings and other art I've experienced. Art genuinely feels like my meaning in life, not as in I was made for it but as in it's the one thing I see true value and feel real love for, and want to pursue above all else, I find no issues in sacrificing financial security, relationships or taking risks for it.

I'm lucky enough to easily get by working just part time so I have lots of time. I've worked some good discipline and practice/study between 2 to 6 hours almost every day. I am mostly self taught and have had very little opportunity to share and show what I do to anyone because I live a very associal and isolated life.

And now I've come to a point where I feel completely lost. The more I discover about fine arts the less certain I become about how to tackle and pursue things. I love and admire the human figure, both displayed with idealism or realism. But I'm also more than enamored with modernism (especially expressionism) and abstract art. I've decided for the last 3 years to ignore any specific path and focus on what I considered to be fundamentals, but I feel that made me complacent in never really trying to do anything other than «practice basics».
Now, I have recently joined a local Atelier and a teacher has been encouraging me to already get away from my academic habits, saying technique should be pursued alongside experimenting and finding myself. I have no qualms with that as I find that I enjoy letting myself go, but I feel like I'm pretentious to do so. I feel like it's dishonest for me to try to express myself and have an intention, to purposedly get away from referrences and such when I still feel so lacking in basics.

I don't know what to do anymore.

[Anonymous No.3894589]

>>3894585
Your going about it the wrong way. You will never learn how to express yourself without fundamentals, but by the time you learn them so well you will be an old man. Learning fundamentals doesn't have an end point, so what's the point of wasting so much time?
Do both.

[Anonymous No.3894591]

>>3894585
Trying new things can always feel a bit uncomfortable.
Try not to think things through, experiment a bit but if you're going to wait until your "ready" you're in for a surprise, you're never ready because as you improve, your standards change and you will never feel like you are skilled enough.

Look at "expressing yourself" as another hurdle, it's definitely also part of the basics and something that has to be practiced, especially if all you ever do is study.
Don't feel pretentious about it.

[Anonymous No.3894638]

>>3894429
share this feeling. but we hate the idea of producing nothing much more, right. so we continue.

[Anonymous No.3894952]

Very dumb rant ahead,
Even though I make art for myself, want to progress for myself, to represent and draw universes I create, I want to share it with people. I want crits, share, laughs with other artists on the platform.
But no matters how hard I try, I get almost no interaction on Twitter. Frequency? I post everyday. Art Level? Idk but pic related. Interactions? I interact with a lot of people on a lot of platforms and I have a bunch of very good drawfriends I talk often to.
Once again I know I'm drawing for myself, but knowing that no one/very few people have some kind of interest in my art is just sad. It feels like everything I do is boring and that I'm just all alone. I know I'm not but damn, having 0 interactions? It hurts.
Maybe I'm just NGMI.

[Anonymous No.3894965]

>>3894952
It's quality but it isn't interesting. Add color, render more, do something at the very least on that front. It's also not interesting but that takes time and a lot of incubation and consumption of shit on your part to get something more than good comps with nice lines. Then there's the fact that it isn't really degenerate porn Finally, it takes a lot of time to get bumped by the system. All it takes is a random post to get blown the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.3894988]

>>3894585
>I want to learn to express things in a unniversal way that can touch people the same way I've been moved by paintings and other art I've experienced.
I've never felt that way about art and I never believed someone could feel that way about it, what would that even feel like to be moved by a static image alone? I've always felt that way about music, a good song changes you, makes you feel a certain way, want things, think about the past, nostalgia, put you to tears, make you feel full of energy and happiness, it's like a drug and I want to make others the way I feel when they listen to music. But I draw, not make music.

[Anonymous No.3895053]

>>3894450
welcome back

[Anonymous No.3895213]

>>3894287
>>3894290
Thanks for the detailed responses. I'll try doing some of those Krenz figure exercises I've seen people do, where you turn a figure into a mannequin then draw it from different angles from imagination.
Thinking about it I see Katsuya Terada stop and figure things out a lot when drawing. KJG's murals are more well known I guess, but he said before that he does sketches beforehand and knows what he's going to do. Terada doesn't plan at all, so sometimes you see him stand back and think for a while before drawing the next thing.

[Anonymous No.3895258]

I feel like I don’t have the right sign to be an artist. I check my forecast everyday but it’s never art related. I guess it wasn’t meant to be. Some people are just so lucky.

[Anonymous No.3895302]

i'm burnt out & have no good ideas but still want to make lots of money. i can't even think of a good design for this fucking jacket

[Anonymous No.3895333]

>>3895302
Reference.
Here, pls make it so it has sparkle stuff, like 70s style. Make it a colorful sugar skull. Do shit youve never done before or dont like

[Anonymous No.3895350]

i wish i could do more for you all, myself, and the people around me.

it always sucks to hear when people wish they could improve but cant due to self-sabotage or life situations

i self-sabotage myself all the frickin time

[Anonymous No.3895356]

>>3894988
It wasn't always like that for me Anon. But it is mostly visiting museums more and more, in tandem with drawing/painting and getting familiar with the process. Eventually stuff started to happen that I couldn't explain.

Seeing the "static image" in real life does a lot too. I've rarely felt incredibly moved by staring at them on my computer screen, though it has happened. But something about looking at a zao wou ki painting spawning 3 meters long, completely filling the space around you and feeling overwhelmed and absorbed into it.

I can't really put it into words at all (which is why I draw rather than write lol) but yeah, I'm genuinely honest when I say I've been moved to some paintings in ways that I don't think music could manage. That being said I love music and most artistic mediums, I can't explain entirely what made me specifically attracted by fine arts and visuals. I had tried to write, play music, etc and it always felt like wearing shoes that weren't my size. Then I started to draw, sucked complete ass at it but it felt completely right so I started working on getting better.

>>3895350
I know what you mean Anon. I am kinda the same, I have this wholesome desire to see myself and the people around me make it. But people are flawed and full of short-comings, including myself and it rarely goes smoothly.

I try to focus on myself the most, and reduce self-sabotage to a minimum and hopefully just be virtue of being a good person I can help the people around me.
I otherwise wouldn't feel right trying to help them. It would be like jumping in some fast-moving currents to help someone drowning, and drown with them. I would rather help them by tossing a rope from a solid place, on firm ground.

[Anonymous No.3895380]

I want to take commisions but paypal is banned where i live, fuck this gay earth.

[Anonymous No.3895382]

>>3894166
>feeling crushed under the pressure of everything I've done wrong
It can't be that bad. It's not like you murdered someone. And why are you so hell bent on cementing yourself that you're ngmi. Everyone always has a chance to make it in their own terms. You can't just keep telling yourself you constantly suck and just give up.

[Anonymous No.3895385]

>>3893678
Overthinking and overload of ideas usually lead to decision paralysis. It's fine to draw with more than one style. Just try writing your thoughts on paper and just pick two that you want to prioritize

[Anonymous No.3895397]

>>3894547
Kinda missed your image streaming part too lol sorry. Not sure if counted as IS but back when I'm attempting LD on my bed, I usually imagine myself teleporting to another room in my house or anywhere where I'm very familar with . Then I pretend doing my normal routine. By pretend, I mean not just visualizing the room I'm in, but imagining the feeling of the sofa, the smell of it, the sound coming from the window or tv, or being fully aware of your surroundings. It also helps if you keep taking note of each the objects near me to further immerse myself in that room.
This is an AP/LD technique though, but I guess it helped me with visualizing too

[Anonymous No.3895424]

>>3895380
Which country?
If you're really desperate, you can accept commissions through Fiverr since they have direct bank transfer and you have seller protection. But they get 20% cut right off the bat so it depends whether you think that's worth it or not.

[Anonymous No.3895431]

>>3895424
Turkey
Fiverr seems like a good idea but the competition seems very tight. I wonder if i can take ~10$ commissions for my mid-high beg tier art there. Thanks for recommendation.

[Anonymous No.3895435]

>>3895380
I'm having virtually the same problem since paypal started opening offices in other countries. With paypal.com i lost $2 on transfer, with paypal.mx I'm losing $2 on transfer plus 12% on type exchange plus 17% on taxes because they whistleblow and being an artist in mexico is pretty much a crime.

[Anonymous No.3895471]

>>3891442
I recently befriended a well-known artist in a small game community. Saw his process of making characters, ignoring the fundamentals, makes guesses and just make things straight to the point. Still gets a good amount of Twitter points. Meanwhile I follow /ic/'s advices, fundamentals and some outside sources for 2.5 years and I still barely break 15. Fuck this gay earth

[Anonymous No.3895476]

>>3895431
Advertise yourself through social media like Twitter and then when taking commissions, just say you're doing it through Fiverr. So you technically don't have to compete with others there.
I've personally done this myself because I wanted to get 5-star reviews

[Anonymous No.3895504]

Why is /ice more volatile than the other boards?
I would rather be posting on /toy/

[Anonymous No.3895506]

>>3895504
The barrier to entry is talent and years of practice. That makes a lot of robots with no talent and fantasies about some mythical career bitter when they're shit at art. It's a loop of delusion, self loathing, and narcissistic aggression trying to bring other anons down to feel better about their own shortcomings. You can't just buyfag your way in like /p/.

[Anonymous No.3895521]

>>3895506
>tfw no talent

I don’t even want a career, I just like drawing and want to improve
I’ve always been limited by my mental and emotional condition so I don’t think for a second I’d be able to make deadlines, even though I can usually draw serviceable sketches

[Anonymous No.3895524]

>>3895521
Nothing wrong with that. I draw because I have to and if I can make some money doing it, great. It's all about having a healthy mindset and love for the process.

[Anonymous No.3895560]

>>3895524
Based and highly redpilled

[Anonymous No.3895591]

>>3895471
The guy is good at eyeballing

[Anonymous No.3895597]

>>3895521
What this guy said >>3895524
>it's all about having a healthy mindset and love for the process.

This board has occasional good posts. You just have to stomach through walls of shitposts and crabbing

[Anonymous No.3895603]

>>3895591
He did told me that it was his way to continue art when his apprenticeship got refused by a professional artist. Said artist only gave him one advice that he took to heart: to observe things thoroughly

[Anonymous No.3895632]

i can't draw lately. i've drawn for over 10 years of my life but the past few years i've been depressed about it and drawing less and less.

i haven't drawn anything in almost 2 months now, when i pick up my pen i feel paralyzed. i don't know how to force myself to draw, it's so painful.

[Anonymous No.3895643]

>>3893174
>You have to start somewhere! If you truly can't get over those feelings then hide it when it's not in use. Put it in a drawer or something. They don't need to know everything about your personal life and it's okay to do something like that in your private space. Go for it, Anon become to artist you want to be!
I should have mentioned that I share my room with my brother, I live in a small house, so my room is not a private space at all, but fuck it, your positivity fired me up so much that I'm gonna get a tablet as soon as possible, got any suggestions? my budget is around 200$

[Anonymous No.3895655]

>Got 1k rt and 3k likes for some reason
I'm so confused, i usually have 200 at best wtf

[Anonymous No.3895659]

>>3895655
Post tweet

[Anonymous No.3895671]

/ic/ is useless every time someone says it helped them get better they don't post work or they post beg sketches and there's a lot of rules and no tools anons that want to force everyone to draw like kjg

[Anonymous No.3895674]

I am in a constant state of envy of other artists who are better than me.

[Anonymous No.3895678]

>been consistently drawing since childhood
>still above average at best
>some faggot that just picked up a pencil a year ago is already better than me

[Anonymous No.3895680]

>>3895678
Pyw, in the nicest way possible.

[Anonymous No.3895690]

>my figures are fuckin killing it haha yeah
>next day
>holy shit i am awful

[Anonymous No.3895712]

>>3895690
Fucking this. I had the same thought about shit like this
>make something
>think it's fucking baller
>it really isn't
What a massive letdown

[Anonymous No.3895754]

>>3894450
Based

[Anonymous No.3895789]

>have no friends or followers
>try to talk to people, they think I'm a nobody, they never care
>have no friends or followers
plus
>don't want to draw fanart or porn
plus
>the only people who'd be ok to be your friend are way below your level and you can't suffer their art

FUUUUCK WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING UNINTERESTED IN ME!!!!!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKK!!! WHY THE FUCK AM I SUCH A SOCIAL AUTIST!!!!

[Anonymous No.3895796]

I'm a NEET, have been for years, early 20s, unemployed, severe social anxiety, but I finally found the one thing that I actually like which is drawing so I'm learning to draw, feel happy for the first time in ever, now I need to work on my social anxiety to get a job but I'm struggling with that.

[Anonymous No.3895816]

>>3895789
post your work

[Anonymous No.3895819]

>>3895471
If you spent xy years eyeballing your fav subject matter youd be like that too. Problem is it falls apart when you try to draw something else
t. Draw cute girls to perfection without studying anatomy, my men look like stick figures

[Anonymous No.3895822]

>>3895690
>>3895712
Flip page often. It cures this to some degree

[Anonymous No.3895931]

>>3895643
Any are fine starting out but try to get the largest drawing space possible on one. I think wacom rebranded their bamboo series as intuos now but from what I've experienced they work just fine! As long as you have decent levels of pen pressure and the largest drawing space you can find you'll do just fine!

[Anonymous No.3895987]

>>3895671
The only thing about /ic/ that helped me was the sticky. Everything else is useless

[Anonymous No.3896023]

>>3895674
Same, but I wanna strive to go higher to maybe at least chute out decent content at least. Not as great as them, but at least I make something that isn't complete dogshit

[Anonymous No.3896066]

Do any of you have fun talking to people? I haven't had a single conversation this year where I felt I could just speak my mind without feeling like I have to watch what I say.
I look at people I have to reply to and all I feel is a lack of interest, because I'm not having fun. I just feel stressed

[Anonymous No.3896073]

>>3896066
Jesus fuck man - sometimes I forget that /ic/ has some serious issues

[Anonymous No.3896084]

>>3896066
>I have to watch what I say
Everyone does that. We live in society and all that.

[Anonymous No.3896085]

>>3896066
i don't like to talk to people that don't draw they seem hollow and just talk about netflix and shit
feels bad man

[Anonymous No.3896127]

>>3896066
I only have a few friends I can say anything to online but real life is complete shit I've met one cool person in my whole life irl

[Anonymous No.3896132]

>>3896066
It only gets worse from this point on, but you get used to it.

Seriously though, there is such a big difference between the discussions i have on the internet and the ones irl. Everyone feels so shallow.. I wish just once i would hear someone say something irl that suprises me in a positive way or makes me feel dumb. That only happens on the net.

[Anonymous No.3896139]

>>3896066
I learned to socialize the hard way after being an autist for all my childhood so I can feel myself snapping into amiable social mode every time I interact with another real human being. I feel like a mix of a hypocrite and an idiot after discussing most of the time, even though I don't lie or say retarded shit. I think it's because most of what I discuss about irl is so, so shallow. I can never talk about what I'm into because it's pretty niche and it's hard to get me interested in new things.
So no I don't find especially fun most of the time. I'd say you do get the occasional good discussion though, but that's a rarity, both in real life and online.

[Anonymous No.3896141]

>>3896066
Yeah I'm fortunate enough to know some interesting people. They are the outcast type that do weird but entertaining shit. Ultimately there seems to be a big divide between those who produce for fulfillment and those who consume for fulfillment, and it can be very hard for the two sides to relate.

[Anonymous No.3896155]

>>3896066
i have one long time friend thats fun to talk to because we can say whatever
but to anyone else no

[Anonymous No.3896228]

>Mom passes by as usual to leave/pick up stuff
>Perceive her footsteps about to walk into my room, ALT-TAB to safety
>"So Anon, I left you something to eat, tomorrow you have to do this and that"
>"Thanks mom. Yeah sure, no probl-"
>*Notice full sheet size, very hardcore nonhuman porn drawing on the far end of the desk*
>PANIC
>Thoughts start racing while I nod and smile to the woman who gave birth to me
>If I make a motion towards it she'll look at it before I turn it
>Don't look at it or she'll follow my eyes towards it
>I have to ignore it
>Keep talking casually with my mother while I feel beads of cold sweat form on my brow
>Absolutely casual face throughout
>Mother leaves without looking in that direction
>Immediately hide drawing

[Anonymous No.3896245]

>>3896228
Were you able to eat your tendies after such thrill?

[Anonymous No.3896257]

>>3896245
Absolutely

[Anonymous No.3896268]

>>3896228
Should've asserted your right to draw porn by having sex with her haha

[Anonymous No.3896539]

>>3896066
Yeah. It's fun when I found my peers back in college. Now I'm an office wageslave and talking to people about things I don't really care about feels like a fucking chore, but I have to, otherwise my performance will go rock bottom. I'm lucky I have a partner to talk to at home where I can feel like a kid and an ultra weeb again.

[Anonymous No.3896547]

>>3891442
/ic/ was more entertaining when Jimmy wasn't banned

[Anonymous No.3896549]

>>3896066
>>3896066 #
Yeah. It's fun when I found my peers back in college. Now I'm an office wageslave and talking to people about things I don't really care about feels like a fucking chore, but I have to, otherwise my performance will go rock bottom. I'm lucky I have a partner to talk to at home where I can feel like a kid and an ultra weeb again.

[Anonymous No.3896589]

>>3896141
>there seems to be a big divide between those who produce for fulfillment and those who consume for fulfillment
damn thats right

[Anonymous No.3896653]

>>3896549
This, being a wagecuck and a drawfag as the same time sucks dick

[Anonymous No.3896655]

>>3896547
Don't worry, he'll come back
He always does

[Anonymous No.3896668]

>>3896547
>coming here for entertainment
ngmi son

[Anonymous No.3896839]

>>3896066
>tfw every response to this post
Yikes. I was hoping for a good answer too.

[Anonymous No.3896852]

>>3896066
A few years ago OP, I had a meltdown because of that. I decided to literally stop watching what I say and walking on minefields around people all the time. I took it to the extreme, bluntness over everything.

In the next few weeks I lost 90% of my social contacts, friends, etc. It got bad to the point that I just deleted all social media.

But here is the thing, the 10% that remained told me they liked my honesty. That they felt they could also speak freely near me. My point is quality over quantity I guess.

I only have 2 friends now, but I can speak my mind with absolutely zero filters around them and they're fine with it. I've continued since to act the same with any person I met, and it is very polarizing.
They either hate my guts right away and avoid me, or take a strong interest in me and enjoy my honesty. In the end I like it despite many thinking I'm a complete asshole. I know that I'm not, that I'm just tired of the current social norms and I'm tired of playing these games and just want to be myself.

[Anonymous No.3896859]

>>3896852
Who knew it would get this bad, it felt all nice and good a decade ago. Open minded.

[Anonymous No.3896861]

I can't even imagine myself "making it"
I'm okay, I guess. I post but never really get any replies or critique, but I don't finish stuff that often either.
Everyday it's like my brain is being overloaded with information, I can't seem to process things fully anymore, even my thoughts and talking is slower.
There's so many people who I considered close friends who turned out not to think of me that much.
I haven't been able to finish a single comic. I thought starting small with like 2-3 page strips would help but I haven't even been able to finish those. I'd finish 2/3 of the pages then get stuck on one or two panels.


>>3896066
>>3896852
You might end up like me anon. Watch out.
I stopped giving a shit what I said a few years ago, I'd pretty much lost respect for anyone I meet the moment I know they exist. I say whatever is on my mind regardless and eventually any real person's opinion meant nothing to me.
I'm not someone you want to be, just watch out.

[Anonymous No.3896875]

يضربني طول الليل أنا بالخيزارانة
روحوا اسألوا ااجيران شو مسويه أنا

هيا بنا هيا بنا
هيا بنا هيا بنا

هيا بنا هيا بنا
روحوا اسألوا ااجيران شو مسويه أنا
روحوا اسألوا ااجيران شو مسويه أنا

كل يوم أقول اليوم أنا باجر يبينون
وانطي للمبشر أنا بوسه من العيون

هيا بنا هيا بنا
هيا بنا هيا بنا

[Anonymous No.3896959]

>>3896861
I find it so hard to stay in the mindset of "making a product" when there's no reward. I end up just sketching, or drawing silly stuff on 4chan so at least I make an anon laugh.
If I post neatly packaged artwork it takes so much time and I get 10 likes on social media, so what's the point? I have a sketch pinned to my wall that I should have finished a week ago and when I look at it I just think it's a pointless pursuit. I don't care about refined drawings, so all of this is just to present a product to an audience who doesn't care. If I were to draw just for myself I'd just make rough sketches because I can "see" the finished art, but I have to keep putting myself out there. It just feels pointless.

Also I am feeling really awful health-wise, I am very tired and weak, I sleep like crap, I'm in a bad mood, I feel weird in my stomach and mouth, like I'm getting an influenza. I've tried drinking vitamins and coffee and sports drinks but it did nothing, I still feel weak. Maybe I'll just go rest a little bit and try get some work done after lunch.

[Anonymous No.3896999]

>>3896852
I'm a disagreeable person with bombastic opinions, probably from being alone and only entertaining myself. People like it. It probably helps that I worked out a lot of bitterness and nihilism and try to listen without judgement to see if someone is interesting. Honesty and a strong sense of self are actually respected.

The ones who don't like me aren't worth the effort. Most of them don't have the balls to say what they want or are so driven by social norms that breaking them hurts their ego and they get all riled up without even knowing why. It's like what my gay friends say about telling people they pound ass. Those people are this shallow kind of friendly until you break the masquerade and then they stop talking to you.

Being open and comfortable and strongly opinionated takes getting used to. Some people open up and relax and say what they hold in, others shut down because it's dangerous according to their social programming. Or they just don't like what you have to say and get mad that you can say it even though they parrot their dumbshit opinions without realizing it.

[Anonymous No.3897023]

>>3896852
>But here is the thing, the 10% that remained told me they liked my honesty. That they felt they could also speak freely near me. My point is quality over quantity I guess.
Why is this quality exactly? This is the same mindset as open relationships, where your woman sucks 5 strangers' dicks a day but hey, freedom is important and you "love" each other, so everything is better than a normal relationship because she's still technically your woman by the end the day.
Why do you assume that a relationship where people limit their freedom a little to respect each other is bad? I think holding your tongue and knowing when not to speak says a lot more about the person than social inhibition.
You realize that "appreciating the honesty" doesn't mean squat? It could be a completely artificial stance, maybe they still find you unpleasant to be around and just stick with you because they think it's the right thing to do (see the open relationship above, a lot of people who do this think it's "the most progressive" way to go about it, so they probably hate it and they secretly feel cucked). It could be that your friends are just submissive and they "respect" you for being a dick.
When you grow older you realize that social norms exists for a reason deeper than conformity.

[Anonymous No.3897034]

>>3897023
I grew older and I realized people are shallow and not worth a lick of shit unless you can genuinely connect with them. You can't get them to whitewash your fence and they aren't fun to talk to so what use are they? Why kowtow to a hegemony of pussies?

[Anonymous No.3897052]

>>3897034
>I grew older and I realized people are shallow and not worth a lick of shit
I agree with this and I am extremely antisocial
>unless you can genuinely connect with them
what I am saying is that having no filters is not how you "genuinely connect" with anyone, it's just another kind of affectation.
>Why kowtow to a hegemony of pussies?
I assume you make a living on art commissions, do you treat your clients like shit and trash talk them while they give you money? Do you spew whatever you want on whatever public account you have?

[Anonymous No.3897054]

I gave up on art years ago, and I hate myself for it.
I stay on this board in the vain attempt to spark a renewed interest in art. But I know that I'm just lying to myself, because there is no spark, art takes discipline, which I don't have.

[Anonymous No.3897065]

>>3897023
I didn't mean to say that ignoring social norms and being blunt leads to quality relationships.

I meant to say that not going against your personality, integrity and values leads to more quality relationships.
I'm saying be yourself, if being yourself is being reserved, respectful, polite and agreeable whilst not revealing too much of what you actually think, then I don't think you would really have quality relationships by forcing yourself to be brutally honest. I would say you'd be better off finding people who like your company for who you are.

And yes ofc you never know what people really think of you, what they enjoy you for or why. But again, I see a relationship where things are good and I don't have to force myself to act outside of my ideals to be of higher quality than many relationships that feel good but I constantly have to force myself to act like another person.

[Anonymous No.3897067]

>>3897052
>I assume you make a living on art commissions, do you treat your clients like shit and trash talk them while they give you money? Do you spew whatever you want on whatever public account you have?
I kinda have to. That's what "fine" art is about in many ways. I'm not really too much of an asshole directly to clients because they don't bother me much but they expect a a certain personality and calling shit retarded bullshit is what you do in the art world. My night job is fetish porn and I have to actually be an asshole because my clients want abominations doing degrading nonconsensual fucks and there's a push to make their fetishes a slur. So I make fun of it with silly comics and drunken shitposts.

[Anonymous No.3897076]

>>3897065
>I'm saying be yourself, if being yourself is being reserved, respectful, polite and agreeable whilst not revealing too much of what you actually think
But this is never innate. This kind of restraint is an exercise in discipline.
I don't even bother speaking my mind anymore, why do I care about presenting myself to others if they're shallow and retarded anyway? All I would do is offend them. I regularly interact with this old lady who's very Christian and extremely obtuse and ignorant on many things, but she's a sweet lady and I'm like a son to her. I'm not going to whip out my fedora and try to convince her to drop religion, or try to argue with her about all her stupid beliefs that are probably helping her stay serene in her twilight years.

>>3897067
I forgot to add "unless you draw porn" in my last post. Addiction wins over everything.

[Anonymous No.3897087]

>>3897076
It is absolutely not. I've known personally people who absolutely hate saying what they think, and when pressed to be honest consider it a personal invasion of privacy.
It's a personality trait, some people are very agreeable and they don't need discipline and effort to just be polite, respectfull, word things nicely, but if needed to be brutal and honest it will take them active effort.

[Anonymous No.3897130]

>>3896861
>>3896852
are you guys both in the spectrum or what

[Anonymous No.3897136]

>>3895382
>And why are you so hell bent on cementing yourself that you're ngmi.
Because giving up is easier that getting over my deep rooted crippling fear of failure and imposter syndrome.
I just dont want people to laugh at me.

[Anonymous No.3897153]

>>3896549
>>3896066
>tfw you have a creative and driven best friend who wants to create passionate and high quality content
>and you're the same way
Honestly I feel like I've hit the jackpot social wise, we've discussed what our plans and goals are and consistently provided critique on each other's pathways from a realistic standpoint, and we both are 110% into support each other in the aspects that we're weak in. (I'm more visually leaning, while they're music leaning). Even if none of our projects ever pan out, I'm honestly just glad I found someone I can creatively express with. We're still very into the skill grinding stage of our lives, but I hope we succeed at something.

[Anonymous No.3897179]

>>3897153
marry him before he gets away

[Anonymous No.3897182]

>>3896875
what?

[Anonymous No.3897187]

>>3897153
>tfw my only friend group created a rap band and are starting to do well
>tfw we're losing touch because I'm not into rap at all and they invest more and more time into it
>90% of the time I don't get a thing of what they're saying when we hang out
>dad is a successful artfag, our views are always at odds
>meanwhile the art school I go to is full of stereotypes and the couple of people I got along with dropped out
>everyones critique of my work consists of headpats even though it's really lacking
It's nothing important compared to a lot of things posted itt, but even surrounded with creative people I can't seem to genuinely connect with many, if anyone.

Cherish that friendship, anon.

[Anonymous No.3897189]

>animator
>know a way of making money via creating braindead content thats long and simple to produce thus hitting every algorithm req
>instead want to work on my original series with writing/dialogue and stuff that interests me, but whether it makes money is a big question

ugh.

[Anonymous No.3897190]

>>3897182
He says he's happy Notre Dame burned

[Anonymous No.3897192]

>>3897190
lmao

[Anonymous No.3897197]

>>3896066
Irl just my brother, who I can always talk about art, music and coding with. I’m kind of a dumbass and the only other person I talk to frequently is my roommate/friend, who’s a professional coder and treats me like a retard whenever I start talking about ideas, things I’d like to make, or how I’d make them despite the fact I still manage to pull them off. It’s strange talking to people who have no desire to make anything of their own, I don’t really know where else to go with conversations once you’re up to speed with someone’s life.

[Anonymous No.3897253]

>>3897197
talk about the new game of thrones season

[Anonymous No.3897574]

AAAAAAH TELL ME TO GO DRAW SOMETHING /IC/ I HAVENT DRAWN ANYTHING IN A WEEK I CANT PICKUP MY PEN IT FEELS SO BAD

[Anonymous No.3897579]

>>3892295
>people really wear tights this tight?
Even more so

[Anonymous No.3897581]

>>3897574
Go redraw something you made a year ago

[Anonymous No.3897626]

>>3897189
>whether it makes money is a big question
it's possible if you have waifus
https://www.patreon.com/vanripper

[Anonymous No.3897629]

>>3897626
645 usd is cool but it really ain't much.

[Anonymous No.3897690]

>>3897629
>it really ain't much.
for SFW anything above zero is great

[Anonymous No.3897696]

>>3897579
MUH
U
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[Anonymous No.3897709]

I wanna get good at drawing but i dont know the ideal plan so I keep changing it up every so often and now im mad that I probably just wasted all this time. I just wanna draw amazing fan art and characters as soon as possible and then make comics.

Is that too much to ask?

[Anonymous No.3897718]

>>3897709
It's too much to ask. Learn the fundies, copy shit you like, draw what you want, stick to pretty much any simple plan, and put in the hours. See you in 2 years or so. It takes time to be consistent and get what you want, you probably don't even know what that is yet.

[Anonymous No.3897729]

how to deal with having middling appeal to your work? I'm coping so poorly now
>Finish a bunch of studies, trying to grasp difficult subjects
>Work is good, not bad, not great, just good
>post in drawthread asking for feedback to get past this stage
>no responses since work is mediocre and nobody seems to have anything to note
>go on my social
>post some other studies asking for more feedback, seeing if it would get more help there
>post becomes active, more likes, rebloggs and responses than normal for me
>get a fair bunch of followers from this
>some really talented artist like it and comment on it, saying nice things
>It's good enough to get attention, but no feedback for improving further

I'm grateful for the events that happened, but there's this sinking feeling that underneath the surface, there's something fundamentally wrong with my work that nobody has the time or care so address since my work is so mediocre

how do you guys deal with this cope. It's tilting me enough that I have to take a break to re-orient

[Anonymous No.3897730]

>>3897718
Spend each week on a fundamental, spending half my daily draw time on studies and the other half on whatever I want?

[Anonymous No.3897741]

>>3897730
Pretty much. Some are better broken down into smaller chunks that you go at regularly, like anatomy. Others get used all the time and need longer to get right at first but are part of everything after that, like perspective. Drapery and rendering different things need constant refreshers because fuck if you do it much after that one tutorial.

The only thing I'd add is actually drawing from life. Rocks and trees. Architecture. Painting landscapes when you get to that. It's the question books answer.

[Anonymous No.3897801]

>>3891442
I cannot for the life of me find a community to join. I tried the anime/study discord, wasn't a huge fan.
I just need somewhere to post work and make some kind of art friends. And suggestions peeps?

[Anonymous No.3897835]

>>3897801
Las discord

[Anonymous No.3897838]

>>3897579
Grill here AYAYA
How do I get such a soft doll-like skin without any imperfection?

[Anonymous No.3897841]

>>3897729
pyw

[Anonymous No.3897851]

>>3897838
Genetics

[Anonymous No.3897899]

>>3897741
Reminds me of that FZD video about just drawing while starting out with drawing alot of rocks then going up to animal skulls and so on.

[Anonymous No.3897903]

>>3897838
you don't

[Anonymous No.3897977]

>>3897899
It's all simple organic shapes and rendering that doesn't look bad as long as you don't fuck it up entirely. Builds a lot of skills without the stress of figures that always look wrong. And they're everywhere.

It really pushes rendering skills, trees are full of shit you don't need to draw and overall forms and values you absolutely need to capture. Nothing is more sublime than when you figure out how to render an entire treeline in the laziest way possible.

[Anonymous No.3897995]

>>3897977
Ive been meaning to learn pen and ink. Perhaps I can do that video/draw from life using ballpoint and rollerball pens only. Hopefully that's a good start to the medium.

[Anonymous No.3898027]

>>3897136
I've been in the same situation, horribly anxious of posting my work online and scared of being criticised by people that I stopped drawing for 2 years in the past.

What worked for me is I tried making a separate private account where I post all the drawing I did for the day. Nobody gets to see it but me. Keep doing this until you feel comfortable posting online, then see if you are ready to post publicly, if not then that's ok! Every end of day I keep a journal where I tell myself what I draw that day, and other things I'm grateful no matter how small. My main key point here is to unlearn how self critical we are of our work and ourselves and try to love and appreciate the process and effort we did, no matter how small and amateurish we think it is.

Good luck anon. I hope you feel better soon

[Anonymous No.3898030]

>>3891988
so if someone (me) has some doubts and suffer from self confidence and makes excuses shouldnt be worth spending time?

[Anonymous No.3898052]

>>3895350
then do you have any tip, idea, solution to self sabotage peps?

[Anonymous No.3898188]

I'm a fresh beg who started seriously studying art in March. I made such good fucking progress and could easily lose myself in 3-8 hour sessions. It was great up until I worked myself so hard that I fucked up my shoulder and have been out of commission for 20 or so days.

Everyday since I've been thinking about all of the days wasted that I could've been grinding had it not been for this shitty injury. I should have paced myself. I just want to draw more than anything right now.

[Anonymous No.3898189]

>>3898188
Take a break anon. I'm glad you're making progress but please don't push yourself too hard. Try writing down your prompts and ideas so you know what to draw once you're better

[Anonymous No.3898255]

>>3898188
how did you even manage that? I've had weeks where I would do 6 hours every day and never gotten close to injuring myself.

It's fantastic you're motivated and I won't tell you to "do less" because I dig long sessions myself and feel I genuinely sometimes need at least 2 hours to warm up. BUT PLEASE take breaks then anon.

Don't go doing 8 hours without going for a tea break or something. I'm not even talking about your shoulders here but mostly your eyes, you will fuck your eyes up if you do that regularily without breaks.

[Anonymous No.3898267]

>>3891452
Same. Sometimes I cry thinking about all the time I have wasted without drawing

[Anonymous No.3898268]

I hate myself for being lazy and not being good, I feel inferior. I lack passion, and motivation, these past few days ive been doing like 30 min practice, its not enough, and I worry that maybe this is not what Im good for, but what if I want to?
Let me share all of it, I'm just starting to draw, i can't draw for shit, I'm 18 years old and I feel like I've wasted my life. I'm having trouble with drawing from the shoulder and the superimposed lines, I feel like a huge failure, when I think of the future I jist dont see myself making it right now, I dont see myself being incredibly good at drawing, i want to excel. But i have no talent, I have no talent, I wasnt born into a creative family, born into an emviroment with no art scene and it wouldnt matter because i have no natural talent.
I admire yuasa, I admire kjg, and i also wanted to be a writer, but still im not korean or japanese, I cant make it into animation or movies, I feel like I lack that spark of creativity, sire i have ideas but like me they might not be anything special. Life is shit.

[Anonymous No.3898270]

>>3898268
Hell, I come fron nothing and i dont want to be remain nothing, but im a talentless inferior waste, id love to change that but it might never happen at all.

[Anonymous No.3898283]

No offense but how am I, or any of us, suppose to "make it"?
This shouldn't be shocking to me but there's, I don't know, 100,000 different fucking artist on the internet from all over the world and I'd say 80% of them have better art styles or work output than me. Not that they're all trying to profit off their art work but how do you make money in a market so saturated with content creators? Where the fuck are you suppose to find job opportunities for being an artist?

[Anonymous No.3898391]

>>3898283
Art on the internet is weird. For just about everything else, people know someone IRL and can see the market, the jobs. Art is everywhere but no one knows where it comes from. Even writers don't have this question, you get a job writing articles or send your manuscript off to an agent. Musicians play shows and go on tour or do studio work.

You make it by finding where the jobs are or creating your own because apparently it's a well kept secret. The only hints I'll give are that you start by finding jobs that are art adjacent in fields that use the Adobe suite and that art is a force multiplier to other skills.

[Anonymous No.3898462]

>>3898030
Listen, my opinion was on that particular situation, when you want to exchange critique with an art friend and they're not as motivated as you. If someone's not as serious about making it there no point in giving harsh serious critique, they will mostly feel resentful, attacked and won't appreciate it. Doesn't mean you can't get along and enjoy spending time together, just don't give people critique they didn't ask for unless you know they have good attitude.

[Anonymous No.3898465]

>>3898268
Same boat, at the age of 18 i felt like an utter and complete shitpile...my friends are out there improving and im here being miserable. Its hard to perdict the future, but judging from what i can see here, dont be too hard on yourself if you kept rushing success and process at the same time. Keep practicing alright? dont be afraid to dream~~ i was born into a normal family with no art scence either, but dont let such things let you down, you're stronger than you think

[Anonymous No.3898694]

>>3898465
Thanks, and I wish you luck on your endeavors.
I'll see how far I can take this and then some more

[Anonymous No.3898925]

>>3891442

>be me
>make lewds of characters from semi-popular IP's.
>get comments and DMs telling I'm a pervert, a pedo, and that I should kill myself
>other artist makes far more explicit lewds of the same character I did.
>they get lots of faves and compliments from thirsty niggas.
>my drawing gets reported and deleted from my gallery.

WhAT tHe FucK(

[Anonymous No.3899013]

>gain a new follower that isn't a bot
>they draw pretty well
>lose them that same day
WHAT DID I DO?!?!

[Anonymous No.3899031]

>>3898925
The algorithm decided you weren't to survive.

[Anonymous No.3899584]

>>3897579
holy fuck a 3D that isn't PD

[Anonymous No.3899613]

>>3898925
pretend to be japanese and you'll get a lowered chance of rabid reporters

[Anonymous No.3899642]

>>3898925
pornfaggot btfo

[Anonymous No.3899643]

>>3898283
>how am I, or any of us, suppose to "make it"?
it's a fucking lottery
not even being good will guarantee anything

[Anonymous No.3899690]

>>3899013
>draw sfw for some time
>cool artists that I like started following me
>switch back to nsfw
>unfollowed by them

[Anonymous No.3899704]

>>3899690
>>3899013
>popular girl I follow followed me back
>another popular I follow who is friends with the first one followed me after
>twitter updates some time
>now shows mutuals which other artists I follow and like
>probably showed the problematic nsfw artists I follow
>1st popular girl unfollowed
>2nd girl unfollowed shortly
>got really sad. I dont even post nsfw on my main
>unfollowed them eventually
>discovered later on they've been posting sjw and purist lgbt stuff lately
crisis fucking averted

[Anonymous No.3899978]

>>3899704
>cool artist is using deviantart for some reason
>check his profile
>gay pride flag widget
>mfw

[Anonymous No.3900023]

Reached in my pocket and stabbed myself in the palm with a #2 pencil. Bled a lot. A piece broke off in there and a day later the grey is starting to spread around my hand under the skin.

I can feel the art gains already. It's like...my hand is moving on its own...

[Anonymous No.3900068]

>22 and never had a job
>worried that by the time I have a decent amount of skill in drawing I'll be unemployable anyway because of no work experience

[Anonymous No.3900180]

>>3899690
>>3899704
I noticed they unfollowed me shortly after I posted nsfw.
Maybe I should just draw only g-rated shit from now on since twitter is full of fucking no porn allowed purists and sjws.

[Anonymous No.3900249]

>>3900023
How about you don't keep a piece of graphite inside of your body?

[Anonymous No.3900317]

>>3900249
I asked my nurse friend and she said it was fine. So if I have to get it cut off I blame her

[Anonymous No.3900942]

You know that thing when you finish making an artwork, and then you take a break or rest your eyes for a bit, and then you look back at your work you suddenly see all sorts of mistakes everywhere?
I hate that feeling because it'd mean I have to spend more time fixing it. It's like, I shouldn't have made those errors in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3901061]

>>3900942
>tfw literally drop working on these when seeing how much longer it would take to fix
>subconsciously realize it's not worth fixing it and always on backlog even though the truth is that I'll likely never get back to it