/asg/ - Anime Study General

[Anonymous No.3842042]

Discord: https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

**If you make good copies of anime *properly*, you will be able to draw good anime. If you make bad copies of anime or bad anime styled drawings from photos, you will get better at drawing bad anime. Please think carefully about how you are studying.**

This is the thread for:

1. Posting your anime studies:
>Copy exactly but don’t do it aimlessly. Integrate drawing concepts (construction, color theory, tracing, etc.) into your studies in order to pull information from the reference (anime art, figurines, tutorials) that you can later use for your original work.
>Do a single study multiple times to ensure you address all of your mistakes and memorize the correct process in your head. Attempt drawing it from memory as well.
>You will only be able to effectively deviate from your reference after doing exact copy studies accurately and consistently.
2. General anime style discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /alt/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

General Art Overview:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

Previous Thread: >>3826978

[Anonymous No.3842050]

[Anonymous No.3842051]

[Anonymous No.3842052]

[Anonymous No.3842080]

Is loomis any good at all for anime?

[Anonymous No.3842085]

>>3842080
try michael hampton instead

[Anonymous No.3842122]

>>3842080
It is at the very core and foundation

[Anonymous No.3842123]

the old thread's not in page 10 yet retard

[Anonymous No.3842201]

If I trace anime every day how long until I make it?

[Anonymous No.3842262]

>10 years of drawing anime every day

https://www.deviantart.com/lordzerothemighty/gallery/

This is really depressing

[Anonymous No.3842264]

>>3842050
Damn I really like this.

[Anonymous No.3842265]

>>3842262
that's just some autistic person or an actual teenager or someone that doesn't care that much

[Anonymous No.3842266]

>>3842262
>that line confidence and consistency of style
This guy is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.3842271]

>>3842262
>300 watchers
he made it

[Anonymous No.3842323]

>>3842052

[Anonymous No.3842331]

So concept art is the best thing to look at, right?

[Anonymous No.3842612]

>>3842323
Should probably get to read that clothes and folds book, and some shoes stuff

[Anonymous No.3842776]

>>3842612
ooh what's the book on clothes?

[Anonymous No.3842783]

>>3842262
Does the guy have a learning disability or something? I thought kodyboy555 was bad but this is scary.

[Anonymous No.3842993]

Why animator's so good at drawing, and on top of animating they have to be versatile in drawing any kind of character designs... sometimes I even think that some animators are better artist than mangaka.

[Anonymous No.3843006]

>>3842080
anime its pretty 2Dmensional, construction can help you understand but don't expect anime to need it anyway or for construction to teach you to do anime, just draw what feels right, push that feeling of "maybe this is just a bit off" to the extreme so you keep improving, anime is what looks cool, not what it's correct. just dont get stuck thinking something looks cool while it looks like shit and don't ignore construction either.

[Anonymous No.3843069]

>>3842776
it's claire wilcox - modern fashion in detail, i found it in one of the artbook thread links, might be good i don't know

[Anonymous No.3843398]

This might sound dumb but how exactly do you copy manga art without tracing? I selected some art from manga I really admire and want to emulate, display it on my computer screen, but every time I try to draw it on paper it comes out looking NOTHING like the original

[Anonymous No.3843410]

>>3843398
You study and grind the fundamentals

[Anonymous No.3843415]

>>3842262
This just shows that "just draw" doesn't work. You don't magically get better at anatomy and shit.

[Anonymous No.3843422]

>>3843410
how about a non-meme answer

[Anonymous No.3843429]

>>3843410
Useless answer

>>3843398
If you just want to copy what you see, try using a grid as a crutch. http://www.colourcow.com/grid-drawing/

[Anonymous No.3843459]

>>3843398

Here's a serious answer:

You study figure drawing from western masters and from jap book on the subject. It's all there for you. Everybody teaches the same things differently, so it's super important to study everyone and everything to find what fits you.

You can find all the jap books here on /ic/ or yande.re or g-e hentai
You'll need an OCR software and Qtranslate so you can read translated text from the pages or you can use your phone with Google Translator and translate from the screen.

Study, draw, study again, draw again. You'll make it.

[Anonymous No.3843479]

>>3843459
I don't own a phone

[Anonymous No.3843550]

>>3843398
just fucking trace it and then try another time without tracing, repeat until it looks like the original.

[Anonymous No.3843620]

>>3843479
why is that the one thing you took away from anon's post?
do you have knowledge on using construction and forms, and how that could be applied to figures?
if the answer is "no", then (not memeing you) michael hampton's book is great for beginners.
we don't know how exactly you're studying, but if you're just drawing the contour lines then you need to take a step back.

[Anonymous No.3843643]

>>3843479
>>3843620
also, i don't know if i was mislead, but there was a thread on /ic/ that was praising this channel so i subscribed and saved this playlist. i haven't fully checked it out yet.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd9YlgrhwWqCSiGwPwA_N_nqKfTLY1Kn8
mute the video when watching - or don't

[Anonymous No.3843664]

Cute thread for cute people! :3

[Anonymous No.3843667]

>>3843664
AYAYA CUTE THREAD!

[Anonymous No.3843674]

>>3843667
AYAYA

[Anonymous No.3843676]

>>3842042
>/ic/ literally has fucking discord links in the OP now

[Anonymous No.3844079]

>>3843676
>/ic/ literally has fucking discord links in the OP now

If listening to brainlets cackle at each others' use of profanities while they watch the latest tard videos on Youtube bothers you so much, anon ... just draw instead!

[Anonymous No.3844105]

I was drawing some random poses and I accidentally drew the virgin guy

[Anonymous No.3844155]

>>3844105
nice

[Anonymous No.3844248]

[Anonymous No.3844263]

>>3843676
it's just the BEG discord, not even memeing. Beg for anime. If you're intermediate and above, go elsewhere. It's even worse inside the discord group, and the admin is a retard NGMI

[Anonymous No.3844272]

>>3843479
>>3843429
>>3843422
Excuses

[Anonymous No.3844470]

I need a list of all the WTFARTGODS in the discord

[Anonymous No.3844490]

>>3844470
>FARTGODS

[Anonymous No.3845035]

>>3842776
>>3843069
another anon, found the link but it was down. I had the book so heres a link
https://mega.nz/#F!lJN2laII!Fzxeawifyj0XPPUtPrVCoQ

[Anonymous No.3845041]

Is copying cute girls while I read manga every day a good way to improve?

[Anonymous No.3845060]

>>3845041
Probably

[Anonymous No.3845071]

>>3845041
no, but copying cute boys is

[Anonymous No.3845091]

Wanted to draw someone sleeping just like those japanese animes

[Anonymous No.3845093]

>>3845091
here's the inspiration. Dunno if this is the right thread, the Alt Threads have been off and on lately

[Anonymous No.3845628]

redpill me on mikanschool

[Anonymous No.3845635]

>>3845628
They make profit off of everyone because no one will actually commit to the videos. If you do commit, you gain more value than the price it's worth. It's like a buffet where there's a ton of food, and they only profit if you don't eat more than your bill.

[Anonymous No.3845811]

>>3844248
pretty gud anon i envy you

[Anonymous No.3845883]

I was practicing heads and i ended copying it

[Anonymous No.3846553]

study

[Anonymous No.3846559]

>>3846553
wtf that is spot on

[Anonymous No.3846564]

>>3846553
Now draw it from memory.

[Anonymous No.3846569]

>>3846553
Good job. Now apply what you learned and do something from imagination

[Anonymous No.3846573]

What if I actually try learning to draw and work hard for the first time in my life and still suck? It would be soul crushing.

[Anonymous No.3846575]

>>3846573
Stop being a bitch

[Anonymous No.3846611]

it hurts to live

[Anonymous No.3846642]

better to trace or copy visually?

[Anonymous No.3846673]

>>3846611
Blog.

[Anonymous No.3847099]

>>3846642
b o t h

[Anonymous No.3847135]

is this thread usually that slow!

[Anonymous No.3847150]

>>3846553
What the fuck, your drawing is actually even better than the original

[Anonymous No.3847367]

HOLY FUCK why is drawing the stupid fucking cheek and jaw so hard

[Anonymous No.3847392]

>>3847367
you mean the easiest

[Anonymous No.3847404]

>>3847367
Same feel. It makes and breaks my drawings, second being the back of the skull.

>>3847392
What are you doing on /ic/, Asanagi?

[Anonymous No.3847416]

>>3847404
asanagi i don't know of this person, i have only studied from Loomis, Hampton and vilppu

[Anonymous No.3847425]

>>3847416
I've only done Loomis and the one Hampton book. Loomis makes drawing cheeks and jaws super easy. Doesn't translate into weeb shit

[Anonymous No.3847428]

>>3847425
post your werk

[Anonymous No.3847438]

>>3847428
Shitty anime head attempts after god knows how much tracing, copying and construction on the good stuff pt 1

[Anonymous No.3847439]

>>3847428
pt 2. And jesus pic to phone to computer takes too much time

[Anonymous No.3847441]

>>3847438
good ol' loomis claims another one

[Anonymous No.3847442]

>>3847428
pt 3

[Anonymous No.3847443]

>>3847428
compared to the 1st loomis I ever drew. I'm not even sure if it was actual loomis or Proko loomis

[Anonymous No.3847459]

>>3847425
>jaws super easy
>doesn't translate into weeb shit
but it does translate to weeb shit

[Anonymous No.3847464]

>>3847459
explain please my retard brain can't comprehend

[Anonymous No.3847472]

>>3847438
>>3847439
>>3847442
>>3847443
Based work poster. Actually living up to being an artist. You're going to make it.

[Anonymous No.3847495]

>>3847472
Fairly new here. Is posting work that uncommon? beg seems full of stuff.

[Anonymous No.3847509]

>>3847495
Something about anons not posting their work to back up their argument when shitposting

[Anonymous No.3847534]

>>3847459
i'm not him and i'm no expert but i agree with him.
Was doing this is sketch while browsing this thread, this is how i understand the 3d form of animu faces. It seems to work in any angle.

[Anonymous No.3847540]

>>3847534
Sure am glad we have senpai who bestow us with their wisdom. It's like being blind and then seeing the light.

[Anonymous No.3847557]

>>3847534
Bless your goddamn heart and brains. I was a idiot for not truly thinking about bones and fat. Back to the lab

[Anonymous No.3847564]

>>3847534
Also, was this you? Was really drawn to this for some reason

[Anonymous No.3847567]

>>3847534
>that cut jaw
>basically korean plastic surgery
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.3847571]

>>3847540
>>3847557
Glad it helped.

>>3847564
Yes it's me. Sadly i am a disgusting degenerate

[Anonymous No.3847576]

>>3847534
So, how do mouths work?

[Anonymous No.3847589]

>>3847425
is this anime or loomis?

[Anonymous No.3847590]

>>3847576
In some angles japs tend to draw mouths out of the center line for some reason, i think it's an stylistic choice. The more exaggerated, the more expressive it gets i guess

[Anonymous No.3847591]

been practicing on a small scratch pad lately instead of the usual large newsprint. it's all just copying, only a couple from imagination

[Anonymous No.3847595]

>>3847589
>starts off as loomis and then as if by magic it turns into anime
What the fuck is this sorcery?

[Anonymous No.3847597]

>>3847589
Good post.

[Anonymous No.3847599]

>>3847591
Nice stuff. Actually shading too like most people don't.

[Anonymous No.3847604]

>>3847589
loomis that can't into anime, it ends with an alien skull and the right eye is too big for that angle, unironically symbol drawing

[Anonymous No.3847605]

>>3847589
Aniloomis

>>3847464
I'm at work rn so I can't deliver but the other anon did a good job at demonstrating it. I'll try posting later

[Anonymous No.3847607]

>>3847590
that depends a lot of the artist style

[Anonymous No.3847613]

>>3847591
are the last two on bottom right from shindol?

[Anonymous No.3847614]

>>3847589
That's anime. It's like you drew up a construction and then just erased out parts while drawing the right parts making it seem like you used Loomis, but really you know how to draw anime anyways. Evidence of this? The chin and jaw are both fixed up after the first run through because of how fucked up it looks with trying to follow Loomis guidelines. Just about every single part of the features don't even go where Loomis tells you where they go either. What you really used here was the sphere as a skull base and that's what all head drawings use so that's not even remotely a Loomis thing or an anime thing. The rest were just lines tacked on to deceive the viewer, but if the viewer knew anything about Loomis's methods, the viewer would immediately know they were being conned.

[Anonymous No.3847616]

>>3847599
thanks for the dopamine

>>3847613
it's from REIQ's youtube video about drawing butts

[Anonymous No.3847624]

>>3847614
>deceived
>conned
sounds like you're the one who feel deceived from doing loomis heads

[Anonymous No.3847756]

>>3845628
i've seen 2 of their courses and they're a complete waste of time. most things are basic shit you could get from western resources already linked from art book threads. the only specifics would be some painting videos but even then you can glean it from practicing enough and seeing speedpaints or demos on youtube/pixiv/etc.

[Anonymous No.3847970]

>>3847604
What's symbol drawing?

[Anonymous No.3847974]

Is this the beauty of art?

[Anonymous No.3848005]

>>3847567
>>3847974
kek

[Anonymous No.3848015]

>>3847970
the 2 planes in perspective in the middle

[Anonymous No.3848032]

>>3848015
so it's a bad thing or something?

[Anonymous No.3848040]

>>3848032

[Anonymous No.3848208]

>not moe
this is my curse

[Anonymous No.3848241]

>>3848208
not only that you need more fundies

[Anonymous No.3848274]

trying out a more painterly style

[Anonymous No.3848286]

>>3848208
I redrew it for fun. I changed it too much though.

Main proportional things were hair volume, shoulder width, cheek shape etc.

Try tracing a bunch of anime girls as practice or something.

[Anonymous No.3848291]

>>3848286
>tracing

[Anonymous No.3848379]

>>3847459
>>3847464
here's how I apply a simplified loomis method but I'm also no expert in this, pls no bully.
Personally, I find women and younger characters easy to draw because of their rounder features than adult men with prominent jaws and cheeks

[Anonymous No.3848409]

>>3848040
Patience Anon, last thread someone was asking if sketching before doing lines (in their works "tracing yourself") was a bad thing to do.

[Anonymous No.3848414]

>>3848379
Saved, this is good stuff

[Anonymous No.3848458]

>>3848274
How do I do this style. Please give pointers I beg you.

[Anonymous No.3848491]

>>3848274
First of all, give us some orientation on how to learn it. DId you read James Gourney? Scott robertson? How do you choose colors? Are you using only normal layer mode? Say something.
Second, post blog.

[Anonymous No.3848632]

>>3848379
Good stuff, got anything on profiles?

[Anonymous No.3848854]

Colored my Rei that I drew a while ago

[Anonymous No.3848904]

>>3848854
yikes

[Anonymous No.3848905]

>>3848904
post your work faggot.

[Anonymous No.3848907]

>>3848905

[Anonymous No.3848908]

>>3848854
Pretty cute and decent. I suggest doing thicker lineart so you dont have to do the sketchy feathery lines on your image

[Anonymous No.3848909]

>>3848379
>>3848274
Got a blog?

[Anonymous No.3848968]

>>3848854
How do you paint the background without messing up the line work?

[Anonymous No.3848992]

>>3848968
Not him but have a separate layer for the background

[Anonymous No.3849303]

>>3848274
>posts work obviously above most people here
>doesnt reply to anything being asked to them
i hate this shit

[Anonymous No.3849308]

>>3849303
probably too busy practicing, unlike the rest of us

[Anonymous No.3849368]

>>3848632
I'm not that good with side profiles yet but this link might help https://twitter.com/Manga_Materials/status/932212513046798336?s=09

>>3848909
Sorry my blog is full of fandom spam but here's my dad page https://dad.gallery/users/174

[Anonymous No.3849412]

>>3849368
Bless ya Purin, hope you doin alright

[RobotAnon No.3849457]

>>3848854
thank you for reminding me to watch the rest of eva

[Anonymous No.3849464]

so realistically speaking how long should take to reach the jap's level if you study,copy,trace anime and study fundies every day?
4 years?5 years?

if someone that knows his shit could reply that would be awesome

[Anonymous No.3849469]

>>3849464
1 year, 4 hours drawing/studying fundies, 4 hours drawing your own shit
have fun

[Anonymous No.3849492]

>>3849469
>1 year to master fundies and learn a style
>realistically speaking
its ok anon i get it you wanted to funposting and yous but unless you post proof that you improved from totally beg to good/advanced anime i call it bullshit

[Anonymous No.3849501]

>>3849464
This was already answered in the previous thread
4-5 years at most and knows what they're supposed to study/learn etc
7+ years probably if you're an absolute beg and a westerner

[Anonymous No.3849507]

>>3849492
Fzd students master fundies in a year, don't know about learning a style though

[Anonymous No.3849511]

>>3849412
aww thank you anon, you too<3

[Anonymous No.3849601]

What's wrong with my shit? I've been studying anime on and off forever now and it still looks like some shitty westernized attempt

[RobotAnon No.3849622]

>>3849601
idk, focus more on shapes I guess

[Anonymous No.3849628]

>>3849622
This is what I guessed was my problem but HOW do I learn/focus on shapes?
I keep asking this to artists I know and such and I can't get a straight answer. It's basically just "just feel it do what looks good". ???
Your attempt looks so much better btw. I mean I can look at this and it's actual anime.

[Anonymous No.3849656]

What's the best way to color eyebrows? I'm having trouble creating small strands with my hard round.
Also i can't really seem to draw them symmetrical

[RobotAnon No.3849694]

>>3849457
redid the bg, gonna go draw some mangos now

[Anonymous No.3849972]

>>3849628
Your head shapes are off.

[Anonymous No.3850011]

>>3849628
>>3849601
Try copying artists you like several times until you get a feel on how they draw heads.

[Anonymous No.3850014]

>>3849601
Blog?

[Anonymous No.3850020]

What a terrible day to draw
why art so frustrating, lads?

[Anonymous No.3850025]

>>3850020
>be this good
>it's frustrating
>tfw significantly worse and it's frustrating

[Anonymous No.3850034]

>>3850020
Art has always been frustrating

[Anonymous No.3850035]

>>3850020
Got a blog? I don't think I've seen your work before.

[Anonymous No.3850037]

>>3850020
y the tiny poop

[Anonymous No.3850050]

3850025
3850034
>draw 3 hours and the only postable thing i got from that session is pic related
>open up twitter and see a new post from my favourite artist @BloopArchives
>get depressed
3850035
I'm >>3847564
I post on twitter but there's nothing good there yet.
>>3850037
shit day, anon

[Anonymous No.3850052]

>>3850050
Don't know what happened, i meant to quote >>3850035
>>3850034
>>3850025

[Anonymous No.3850056]

Do any of you know where to find or have the PDFs of these books?
I'm into drawing but not hugely into perfectionism or realism and these books are perfect for me to just draw cute waifus with blocky legs.

[Anonymous No.3850058]

>>3850050
>get to nitocris sketch
>see the amount of likes
>look at followers
Am I allowed to be in the presence of someone so good?

[Anonymous No.3850063]

>>3850058
You should really scroll down to his older posts, it's ridiculously good. Guy was already 5 years ahead of me 2 years ago.

[Anonymous No.3850089]

Why don't you ever see truly bad attempts at the anime style from a Japanese person?
I know some of it is definitely better than others, but I have yet to see anything drawn by the Japanese that even comes close to the levels of bad some western attempts do.
Does anyone have any examples of bad anime style art from Japan that doesn't come from an animation where a mistake or two is inevitable?

[Anonymous No.3850090]

>>3850089
>Why don't you ever see truly bad attempts at the anime style from a Japanese person?
Go to Pixiv, there's a lot.

[Anonymous No.3850098]

>>3850089
Pixivs algorithm only shows the cream of the crop. Underneath it all is heaps of bad art just as much as DeviantArt. Image sites only share said good art.

[Anonymous No.3850103]

>>3850089
Because you subconsciously forget them as they look so terrible, remembering them might actually make your own drawing worse. This is coming from someone who sees those truly bad attempts all the time.

[Anonymous No.3850109]

>>3850103
No that's not it, I definitely remember all the bad DeviantArt stuff.

[Anonymous No.3850111]

>>3850056
Yielder's pixiv page where he posted most of his bases.
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=831056&tag=%E3%83%9D%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA

[Anonymous No.3850123]

>>3850109
That must be why you're so bad.

[Anonymous No.3850144]

>>3850089
Have you not read the original One Punch Man webmanga?

[Anonymous No.3850148]

>>3850144
ONE wasn't bad, he just drew lazily because he knew his story and composition would work itself out. There are some genuinely bad people out there.

[Anonymous No.3850155]

>>3850089
>>3850109
Honey, go to pixiv. Pick some sort of popular shounen series and go to town browsing.
>>3848274
Where'd you get it from?
This is going to be autistic but regarding bang length. A lot of nip artists draw the bangs, especially the center bangs, really long, like covering the eyes level long. I have bangs and I keep them trimmed to around my eyebrows, it just looks fucking bad longer. So >>3850020
the bangs are pretty short for anime...but realistic for actual people.>>3847974
the bangs are drawn longer than the photo
So how tf do anime bangs work. Why is it so common to draw the central piece super long? Do actual nips keep their bangs very long like that?

[Anonymous No.3850159]

>>3850155
Are you talking about those M shaped bangs?

[Anonymous No.3850162]

>>3850155
It's just for aesthetic

[Anonymous No.3850163]

>>3850159
Yes jesus fuck they're everywhere and it's driving me crazy. For what purpose?

[Anonymous No.3850169]

>>3850163
Because they look good on 2d and they're better than split in the middle bangs? Don't think too hard about it.

[Anonymous No.3850213]

>>3849601
Try drawing smaller cheekbones and larger eye and forehead area

[Anonymous No.3850548]

>>3850213
This might be the key to drawing anime

[Anonymous No.3850558]

>>3850548

[Anonymous No.3850565]

>>3850558
I meant emulating anime heads and it's proportions. Sorry i'm a brainlet but it's an aha moment for me

[Anonymous No.3850574]

>>3849507
FZD gradudates aren't really a master of anything if you actually look at the major bulk of their portfolios with a critical eye. FZD prepares you to be good enough to work in the concept art industry (which doesn't always happen to all of them either), but it doesn't promise you mastery. Real mastery takes real years which is better suited in an atelier environment.

[Anonymous No.3850579]

>>3849492
>>3849507
>>3850574
1 to 2 years is entirely realistic to learn all your fundies. mastery takes course overa a lifetime, but being good enough to get paid? 2 years at most

[Anonymous No.3850580]

>>3850213
source of the artist?

[Anonymous No.3850584]

>>3850579
you're actually retarded

[Anonymous No.3850594]

>>3850584
>https://www.swedishacademyofrealistart.se/before-after

[Anonymous No.3850599]

>>3850594
if getting paid is $100 a month doing still lives then you're right. getting any sort of job is still far for those people

[Anonymous No.3850813]

>>3850580
https://twitter.com/55301puri/status/1105854741253222400?s=19

[Anonymous No.3850833]

[Anonymous No.3850834]

[Anonymous No.3850835]

[Anonymous No.3850846]

>>3849972
That doesn't tell me anything dude

>>3850011
It's what I'm trying to do, pic related look at this autistic shit
I mean I did it before but idk what else to do to learn anime so I'll just keep going until I get it I guess. It really feels western/realism comes more natural for me but it's not what I want to draw

>>3850014
Never

[Anonymous No.3850849]

>>3850834
My wife Ginko is so cute

[Anonymous No.3850856]

>>3850846
Not sure why you think these look off, they look kinda fine for me to be honest

[Anonymous No.3850858]

>>3850846
Don't give up anon. Learning something isn't an overnight process. You have to keep trying until the style you want feels natural to you

[Anonymous No.3850863]

>>3850856
Those other faces I posted before? Well I take that as a compliment but it's just not what I want to do. It doesn't feel right, you can tell it's a westerner trying to draw anime
Nothing wrong with western art it's just not how I want to draw at all. Which is ironic because it feels so much more natural for me

>>3850858
Don't worry I won't

[Anonymous No.3850868]

>>3850846
I mean, it tells you plenty. Literally look at the attempt the person made vs yours and you'll see exactly what the person means.

[Anonymous No.3850923]

>>3846553
Goodness fucking gracious, I wish I had this much control over my lines.

[Anonymous No.3851241]

>>3849492
see you in 10 months, screencap this post

[Anonymous No.3851330]

>>3849656
Try a wet edge brush with *not much* size pressure sensitivity on or just keep using your hard brush and line sculpt them.

[Anonymous No.3851458]

>>3850155
>realistic
Two thousand and nineteen years into our salvation and people still can't stop conflating fantasy and reality.

[Anonymous No.3852234]

[Anonymous No.3852235]

[Anonymous No.3852346]

Do you think Oda is using Loomis?

[Anonymous No.3852627]

Legit don't know what should i be studying RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.3852681]

>>3852627
bottom RIGHT ... big yikes
try clothes and drapery

[Anonymous No.3852692]

>>3852681
Just started watching krenz lectures, i know...
care to help?

>drapery
Good idea, thank you.

[Anonymous No.3852749]

>>3852692
your foreshortening is fucking inconsistent

[Anonymous No.3852941]

>>3850846
Explain these side plane construction lines on Reigen to me.

[Anonymous No.3853081]

>>3852692
>krenz lectures
That sounds fun, could you link?

[Anonymous No.3853082]

>>3852749
It might help if they drew boxes around their cylindrical forms first.

[Anonymous No.3853135]

>>3845091
Good colors, Anon

[Anonymous No.3853190]

>>3848491
whos the artist anon?

[Anonymous No.3853205]

>>3852941
What do you mean? I was just trying to figure out some construction

[Anonymous No.3853214]

>>3853205
How? What are these side plane lines supposed to show/measure/keep align? Why is the nose and mouth line going up into the ear? and where is this eye/brow line going?

[Anonymous No.3853221]

>>3853082
Yeah, i've watched some more and now i realise i wasn't considering proper proportions.

>>3853190
@BloopArchives on twitter

>>3853081
Sure, i'll link some of my personal favs
https://shrib.com/#wBecb7Kumf0go76x9Ff9

[Anonymous No.3853243]

>>3853214
I figured I might think of the planes of the face as flat so I just made parallel lines starting from the features wrap around those planes. If they look converging that's just cause of my shitty linework and wobbly hand
It's not that it makes sense but again I'm trying to figure out shit. In retro spect having the lines wrap around planes doesn't help me at all but sometimes I just like to draw straight lines going places.
I use a ball for the head but I still don't have a precise method for where to place the features and adding the jaw. I keep Loomis' proportions in mind, but placing the brow on the middle of the ball doesn't seem to work well because anime heads are so much bigger than real peoples'.

[Anonymous No.3853302]

does this looks more chink-anime than western-anime ?

[Anonymous No.3853402]

>>3853221
hey thanks for the link, that's incredible

[Anonymous No.3853410]

What does a good "anime study" consist of (as a beginner)?

I'm already doing regularly drawabox exercises.

[Anonymous No.3853427]

>>3853302
Looks pretty fucking western.
Why do people avoid noses? Noses add character.

[Anonymous No.3853447]

>>3853427
small noses are a trait of femininity. so having an underplayed nose actually adds more character, assuming femininity is part of the character. pretty simple shit my dude

[Anonymous No.3853451]

>>3853427
uhh care to elaborate , what exactly looks western?

[Anonymous No.3853453]

>>3853447
All anime chars have no noses. And originality does not stem from doing exactly what someone else does.
>>3853451
Insert vague ic trash about what makes western vs japanese. It just looks western. Do you even loomis?

[Anonymous No.3853455]

>>3853453
nah, older people in anime have noses, male characters (especially tough guys) have pronounced noses. if all you look at are waifus, then all you're gonna get are waifus. again it's really simple shit bud. i don't know how you aren't noticing this

>>3853451
eyes are too high up

[Anonymous No.3853456]

>>3853453
>originality
>anime
kek

[Anonymous No.3853457]

nothing in the japanese book collection mega will get me v&'d right?
I noticed there was shota stuff but didn't look like there was anything serious in it

[Anonymous No.3853459]

>>3853453
>>3853455
pyw

[Anonymous No.3853465]

>>3853459
pyw

[Anonymous No.3853469]

>>3853453
>

[Anonymous No.3853473]

>>3853457
>nsfw board

[Anonymous No.3853479]

>>3853473
lewd stuff is fine i just don't want to dl the whole thing and find something that you'd get raided for

[Anonymous No.3853482]

>>3847614
Loomis himself tells you that you can morph the construction guidelines in any way you want. This especially true for cartooning.

[Anonymous No.3853614]

Asking for some help/tips on making hair look full and nice. I have a general issue with the bangs. To me, what I do is just too 'simple'. Also on a side note, just looking for anyways to help spice up lining, and layer management. I use CSP.

Pic related is mine (un-rendered).

[Anonymous No.3853639]

>>3853614
i fucking hate sanae, isn't the snek supposed to be coiling around that hank of hair? it look like is just painted over.

[Anonymous No.3853659]

>>3853614

A helpful graphic for thoughtful lining. Make sure when you are lining a picture you are actively thinking. “Will it make sense for the line to carry more weight here? Is there enough variety in this area?” and so on.

[Anonymous No.3853706]

Can anyone tell me the best way to get a base colour within my lineart in photoshop? Ideally I want to put a base colour on a layer beneath, incase I decide I don't want lineart, and I want the base colour to bleed under the lineart a bit to avoid any white lines etc. This is simple shit but it would help massively

[Anonymous No.3853707]

>>3843429
grids are fucking stupid. you get a good looking outcome but learn nothing from it. fundamentals are the only way to go

[Anonymous No.3853720]

>>3853707
big yikes if you can't see how grids get you into the habit of measuring proportions accurately

you learn nothing if you choose to learn nothing

[Anonymous No.3853744]

>>3853706

1) Magic Wand tool
2) Select area you want to fill on line art layer.
3) Select>Modify>Expand. By how much depends on how thick your line art is, or how much you want it to bleed through/over. I usually stick to one or two pixels.
4) On a layer below, fill color.

This will get most of the area filled. Really tight corners you will need to fill in by hand or with the lasso tool still.

[Anonymous No.3853746]

>>3853302
a western attempt at anime

[Anonymous No.3853782]

>>3853744
thanks, I just looked up a tutorial and found this method anyway but this is a worthwhile thing to have in the thread regardless.

[Anonymous No.3853809]

>>3853410
blease resbond

[Anonymous No.3853819]

>>3853809

Maybe do 'master studies' of your favorite anime style artists? Choose a good illustration from an artist and try to copy it to the best of your ability, applying what you're learning about construction in the mean time, and trying to work through the artists thought process.
Good anime = 1) proper understanding of construction, anatomy, form (like from life drawing and loomis etc). 2) proper understanding of what you like about anime and how to apply it to what you've learned. Make a big folder with all of your favorite anime art and observe. How does this artist simplify faces and bodies? What do they exaggerate? What do they minimize or leave out?

[Anonymous No.3853826]

>>3853639
I like Sanae she cute.
>>3853659
Great image thanks!

[Anonymous No.3853831]

>>3853819
thank you anon, much appreciated

[Anonymous No.3854000]

>>3853410
stop doing full time boxes and draw some more anime heads
also this >>3853819

[Anonymous No.3854242]

Yo, is this near anime now? how can I improve it?

[Anonymous No.3854259]

>>3854242
face is too round for a non chibi drawing

[Anonymous No.3854269]

>>3853707
The grids are just to get in the habit of measuring with your eyes initially.

[Anonymous No.3854297]

Why are most Japanese online tutorial the same powerpoint slide bullshit? And when they do have some recording of actual drawing they aren't actually showing you how to draw but more like "watch me draw"? What's the deal here?

[Anonymous No.3854300]

I've been copying drawings I like while reading manga. Been doing this for just over a month. I haven't seen any improvement. You lied to me /ic/

[Anonymous No.3854301]

>>3854297
because no one actually follows those boring guidelines and dolls. But you as a beg need to do it, because you suck.

[Anonymous No.3854304]

>>3854301

Hey--back off??

[Anonymous No.3854308]

>>3854301

So what you're confirming to me is the Japanese are teaching things they themselves don't use in their workflow? It's not just video instruction, but their books are just full of pictures and arrows as if they mean anything. The text provides little to no help to the reader.

And if you go on amazon they're all rated poorly except the ones by high profile artist because "they're high profile". How do they learn the style then if everyone is just gate keeping shit?

[Anonymous No.3854309]

>>3854300
Just copying and not studying them? While also distracting yourself from the task.
Haha, I see.

[Anonymous No.3854310]

>>3854300
lmao he fell for it

[Anonymous No.3854316]

>>3854308
>How do they learn the style then if everyone is just gate keeping shit?
That's not true. You're just unable to understand some of the instruction, which is unfortunate.

Draw anime from imagination, copy anime (observation and tracing), and do line studies of life (people and environment). Repeat and you will learn anime.

[Anonymous No.3854320]

>>3854308
Most of those books you mention are not for begginers you see, so that's why theyre kinda blank and vague on some aspects, is because the author assumes you already know some stuff and doesn't need to explain to the reader the most basi stuff about scribbling down a straight line.

[Anonymous No.3854329]

>>3854316

>That's not true
>poor reviews on amazon isn't facts
yeah uh huh
> You're just unable to understand some of the instruction
There is literally no instruction. Unlike western tutorial where we have a live teacher in almost every tutorial showing you their process, the Japanese absolutely REFUSE to be on camera, screen or otherwise, showing you step by step. Instead rather, it's either power point slides with a robot speaking/most obnoxious voice ever and or the artist drawing while providing nothing of how they're doing what they're doing.
>Draw anime from imagination, copy anime
You mean like this thread? None of you delusional idiots get anywhere since the conception of this general.

Pardon my anger it has no direction towards you in particular. But I've just had about enough of this gate keeping shit. I've only found 1 place that is actually "good" but ironically the best stuff isn't even in the fucking video but their forums that I paid out of pocket for. Fuck Asians.

[Anonymous No.3854334]

>>3854320
Nah they're marketed for beginners. I've went through countless books. Bought several dozens of books, video tutorials--all the same crap. You can't tell me every single one of these aren't for /beg/s. They in particular have no intention of helping the talentless.

It doesn't matter though. I see how it is. I already found what I want but fuck Japs.

[Anonymous No.3854335]

>>3854329
oh my god, you're supposed to use your brain. Are you one of those "just draw" victims? so much hate

[Anonymous No.3854338]

>>3854329
>>3854308
post your work

[Anonymous No.3854340]

>>3854334
Have you ever tried just drawing instead of putting all your hopes and dreams of some rando who doesnt even speak your language?

[Anonymous No.3854353]

>>3854335
>>3854340
"just draw" when there is an actual science to it. Hilarious.

Guarantee I'll come back here 5 years later, provided this place is still even alive, and laugh at you all for still spouting "just draw". Hell I'm even going to forward my post in time to remind me to do just that.

[Anonymous No.3854357]

>>3854353
pyw or ngmi

[Anonymous No.3854358]

>>3854353
why the FUCK would you become good at your craft and choose to be petty? towards 4chan of all places?
i get that you wanted to vent and complain, but just do what you have to do and forget about useless resources - even if you paid money for them.

[Anonymous No.3854359]

>>3854357

kma

[Anonymous No.3854363]

>>3854358

It's hard but I'll do that. I just don't believe that it's only just hard work. if it's not innate talent then hard work with the right instruction. But when dealing with >humans< it's only natural to begin to question if they're really genuine in giving you the upper hand or wanting you to be dependent on the business subscription model while having no intention of getting you to a higher plane of quality work.

Every subfield but art seems to want you to get proficient. But art is just that one thing where every fucker is gate keeping. Like I said, doesn't matter I got what I want. I just have to deal with the temporary language barrier.

[Anonymous No.3854366]

>>3850089
you dont know shit. Japanese can fuck up, too. There's a lot of begs in pixiv that are nips, and boy are they bad. You are just getting blinded because you're seeing the great ones, but not the begs.

[Anonymous No.3854368]

>>3854366
I wouldn't call that bad, it's even made by a boomer

[Anonymous No.3854369]

>>3854366
All those are better than the average westerner

[Anonymous No.3854373]

>>3854366
>43 years old
oof

[Anonymous No.3854384]

>>3854329
>>poor reviews on amazon isn't facts
That's just more people like you who were unable to understand the instruction, either because of their own issues (being too low skill, or not applying themselves) or because the author of the book failed to explain the concepts. The last part isn't necessarily gate keeping. And in some cases it's just that the learning resource isn't for everybody. It happens.

>There is literally no instruction.
No instruction where?

Pic related is something I drew in about 10 minutes. It's weak compared to actual skilled illustration but I just want to post work to back up my claims. No tutorial or instructor taught me this, and I used no construction or reference. I was able to draw it because I have experience with imaginative figure drawing, and because I have spent time mindfully looking at mainstream anime faces.

Contemporary anime as seen in airing shows is semi-realistic bodies with simplified neotenic heads using certain sets of symbols. The better you get at general drawing, the easier it gets to capture any set of symbols or proportions and do your own authentic expressions with them. "Just draw", when understood as "draw a shitton to gain context for your fundamental/artist studies, and constantly aim to fix issues" is good advice, and /ic/ doesn't do enough of it (myself included).

Your anger should not be aimed at me or Asians or "gate keeping", it should honestly be aimed at yourself. Best would be to let go of the anger and realize that drawing is really hard, though, and try to have fun. We all struggle.

[Anonymous No.3854393]

>>3854300
Post your copies

[Anonymous No.3854394]

How's my king crimson sketch?

[Anonymous No.3854403]

>>3854329
>Fuck Asians
Mad they can't spoonfeed you? lmao
I'm not even japanese but I'm able to absorb whatever they teach through context clues. Use your head lol

[Anonymous No.3854404]

>>3854384
cute!

[Anonymous No.3854405]

>>3854394
put more effort

[Anonymous No.3854407]

>>3854384
You've improved a lot from last year

[Anonymous No.3854434]

post anime that is worth trying to emulate

[Anonymous No.3854447]

>>3854404
>>3854407
Thanks

[Anonymous No.3854465]

>>3854405
thanks

[Anonymous No.3854756]

wip

[Anonymous No.3855100]

[Anonymous No.3855242]

What do you think is the most efficient way of using your time for improvement and study? I saved a bunch of images from artists I really like to use as studies, but I don't exactly know what to do with them.

[Anonymous No.3855345]

>>3855242
well, at the risk of getting shit on, i would say that you should trace over the images. i say this assuming you're a beginner.
don't trace the contour lines of the image, you won't learn from that. trace smartly and study the forms of the images.

[Anonymous No.3855348]

I'm a complete beginner in both anime and drawing in general. I tried doing a generic anime face with the help of a guide for proportions.

Is it cheating if I used a ruler to place markings? Also how can I make the face feel less psycho?

[Anonymous No.3855356]

>>3855348
>I'm a complete beginner-
>Is it cheating if-

I don't mean to speak for everybody, but unless you trace someone's artwork AND pass it off as your own hardwork it's not cheating in art.
Does it feel lame and tacky? Yes all the beginning study-shit feels lame, but that's why you do it now so you won't have to do it later.
Imagine free-handing proportions without looking at a reference or without using a guide - you'd end up drawing wrong shit for hours.

But as far as the face expression and looking like a psycho goes, something as simple as adding highlights in the eyes might fix that. Try experimenting with the expression of the eyebrows too.

[Anonymous No.3855359]

>>3855242
- Keep drawing on paper and never go digital
- Use chicken scratch whenever you practice, it keeps the SOUL in your pieces
- Make sure to use crayolas so you also learn how to color
- Trace everything you see
- Just draw at least 8 hours per day
- Take a look at a lot of deviantart tutorials
- anime is all about style so don't bother with studying anatomy

[Anonymous No.3855380]

>>3855242
Everything that's the opposite of >>3855359

[Anonymous No.3855391]

>>3855380
>>3855359
>go digital
why?
>no chicken scratch
ok
>no crayolas
ok
>don't trace
I thought tracing was important in learning anime
>don't draw 8 hours per day
why not? getting burned out? not getting feedback and learning?
>don't look at deviantart tutorials
is nsio acceptable?
>learn anatomy
ok

[Anonymous No.3855430]

>>3855391
>>go digital
>why?
Go trad or digital whatever works and feels comfortable for you but don't restrict yourself just because

>>don't trace
>I thought tracing was important in learning anime
Tracing is ok. Just don't rely too much on it or do mindless tracing

>>don't draw 8 hours per day
>why not? getting burned out? not getting feedback and learning?
Ye you'll just burn yourself out. Start in small increments if you're starting out

>>don't look at deviantart tutorials
>is nsio acceptable?
Don't just solely look for tuts in DA. Better to supplement it with actual e/books directed at learning art fundamentals

[Anonymous No.3855460]

>>3854259
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.3855463]

>>3855430
I see, thank you!

[Anonymous No.3855712]

mfw i try to draw anime face from the front

[Anonymous No.3855836]

>>3853457
>getting v& for some drawings

[Anonymous No.3856152]

>>3855712
the front and perfil are the easiest, 3/4 from above or below are nightmare

[Anonymous No.3856157]

>>3855712
Is he looking upwards

[Anonymous No.3856303]

>>3856152
Are you from opposite town? 3/4ths is way easier than front and profile.

>>3856157
uhh i guess

[Anonymous No.3856335]

>>3854242
it looks like a jazza drawing

>>3854308
>So what you're confirming to me is the Japanese are teaching things they themselves don't use in their workflow?
That's teaching material in every single language. It's a process that the teacher thinks will either help pass on information easier to you or cynically thinks they can make money with.
>le gatekeeping
oh it's reddit, carry on

[Anonymous No.3856382]

>>3855430
Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.3856389]

>>3856335
How can I improve it?

[Anonymous No.3856441]

Let's talk about anime styles. How are anime very diverse yet at the same time still manage to carry a certain same essence or feel to it? What really pushes out a style to become unique, and how does one keep it in check so as to not ruin the anime feel? (Let's keep coloring style out of this, as it's something very technical and not closely related to the brain creative process) From what I can tell so far, headshape (also the chin, and the nose) is what makes a style of an artist very easy to tell. What do you think, /ic/?

[Anonymous No.3856495]

>>3856441
Eyes more defined while nose is less defined for young or stylized characters.

[Anonymous No.3856500]

Let's say I wanted to develop a style like Takeda Hiromitsu, do I just grab his entire catalog and start by going panel by panel?

[Anonymous No.3857162]

[Anonymous No.3857560]

wanted to draw a taco bell oc. still in rough phase - need a good outfit for her.

the most comfortable I've felt about a pose in a while.

[Anonymous No.3858276]

>>3857560
Give me your blog.

[Anonymous No.3858753]

Posting in dying thread
I want to draw cute anime boys
tell me why i am fail

[Anonymous No.3858922]

>>3858753
your sources are cel shaded. learn to draw and make shapes with an opaque brush. you're stuck noodling around trying to render when your drawings aren't even good yet. it's like painting chicken scratch.

[Anonymous No.3858983]

new bread?

[Anonymous No.3859122]

>>3858983
Bump limit i guess

[Anonymous No.3859211]

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>>3859129
>>3859129
>>3859129