/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3819069]

What's /ic/s honest and unironic opinion of using 3D referencing for art?
https://youtu.be/BHjiu9ACEPY

[Anonymous No.3819070]

No problem with it.

[Anonymous No.3819074]

>>3819069
l2draw, it's going to be faster in the long run.

[Anonymous No.3819077]

Lazy and pathetic.

[Anonymous No.3819078]

>>3819069
No rules just tools

[Anonymous No.3819079]

>>3819069
i dont like the idea of tracing a model then using it as a final product.
I'm fine with tracing as a study guide to understand or to mimic a style or real life.

[Anonymous No.3819084]

>>3819069
Jesus fucking christ we have this thread on a daily basis now.

[Anonymous No.3819085]

>>3819084
what you mean?

[Anonymous No.3819089]

>>3819084
the type of threads i see often are people uploading their own work and wanting feedback into instead of using other threads to do that.

[Anonymous No.3819095]

>>3819069
It's better to use it for practice as oppose to reference. When working with art, speed is key and using 3d as a crutch are going to make you slow as a snail. clients won't like that

[Anonymous No.3819113]

i dont think referencing and that video are the same thing. they are straight up tracing the 3d model in that video not using it as a ref..

[Anonymous No.3819231]

>>3819069
I only use Sketchup for complex things that I have to repeat accurately in comics: house interiors, vehicles etc. simply because it would be a shitton of work to measure everything and double check the scale of things.

[Anonymous No.3819241]

>>3819074
At first 3D software is faster (for beginners) but once you reach a certain point of being able to draw without it, it takes too long to set up the model and it's faster to just draw without it.

[Anonymous No.3819248]

>>3819069
it can be useful, but a lot of renders have screwy focal lengths, which can off the proportions when drawn in 2D, there is also 3D model stiffness to take into account, which again is more visible when drawn.

[Anonymous No.3819276]

>>3819069
is there anyone using it for oil painting?

[Anonymous No.3819362]

>>3819276
explain how one could use it for oil painting?

[Anonymous No.3819440]

>>3819069
Lazy and useless. If you don't have the skill your work is going to look like shit whether you trace 3d models or not. When you cheat you don't improve yourself and your skill. And if you're allergic to effort might as well just give up drawing.

[Anonymous No.3819441]

>>3819241
this.

[Anonymous No.3819994]

>>3819069
They did it. Now clip studio can scan any photo and copy the pose to 3D doll.
https://twitter.com/clip_celsys/status/1098508116038021120

[Anonymous No.3819998]

>>3819994
But that post isn't even the same as it is in the picture...

[Anonymous No.3820004]

>>3819998
You can tweak it after scanning. The point is the speed. You don't have to pose the figure from scratch.

[Anonymous No.3820071]

>>3819362
what about using a projector?

[Anonymous No.3820154]

>>3819069
Too time consuming. Hinders style development.

[Anonymous No.3820167]

only issue with this is that you fags don't know how to tastefully trace

if your trace looks worse than the original model you're doing something wrong

[Anonymous No.3820185]

>>3819069
the same opinion of using a wooden mannequin

who cares

[Anonymous No.3820230]

>Start sculpting 3D models to save time instead of autistically drawing grids
>post art
>"omg anon this is so good! Almost looks like a 3D render!"
>mfw
>"I do use a little bit of 3D actually..."
Fuck me I only do it to save time, I can do the same thing by hand but it's just so time consuming.

[Anonymous No.3820252]

>>3819084
Such is the nature of 4chan.
And it's a good thing, because relevant topics should be renewed every time they die.

[Anonymous No.3820459]

>>3819078
This phrase is almost never used correctly. Vilppu is referring to art fundamentals. He's saying that the fundamentals of art are not rules intended to limit you, they're tools intended to give you more artistic power and freedom. When d/ic/ks justify their lazy use of cheap tricks with this phrase their ironically going against what he's really saying because they're stunting their own fundamental knowledge that would allow them to be independent of these tools.

>>3820252
We have an archive

[Anonymous No.3820463]

>>3819078
This phrase is almost never used correctly. Vilppu is referring to art fundamentals. He's saying that the fundamentals of art are not rules intended to limit you, they're tools intended to give you more artistic power and freedom. When d/ic/ks justify their lazy use of cheap tricks with this phrase their ironically going against what he's really saying because they're stunting their own fundamental knowledge that would allow them to be independent of these tricks and shortcuts

>>3820252
We have an archive

[Anonymous No.3821351]

>>3820071
but then you would need a good sense of colors
but then it would make studying easier because you'll only be practicing on coloring
wouldn't you be in the way of the projector as you color over it?

[Anonymous No.3821477]

>>3819994

Is this in the current version of clip?. What's the feature called as I like to watch some youtube vids about it.

[Anonymous No.3821488]

>>3821477

No, it's in the upcoming update in a couple of days.

[Anonymous No.3821493]

Does it mean you can pose real wooden mannequin and scan it? That will help a lot.

[Anonymous No.3821495]

>>3819069
The example provided is of an absolute brainlet
3d reference is cool as long as you have what it takes to make something out of it. The only question is by the time you could have made a whole 3d model you could have made an indication of one with basic constructions, and if you can't do basic constructions why the hell are you even bothering with something like that? Bottom line is it's a possible tool but it's a medium like any other and it had limits to its usefulness

[Anonymous No.3821877]

>>3821351
yeah but maybe it could help for example if you divide the work in b/n layers (in this case it will become light/no light)
for example the basic contours and the colors one by one
>wouldn't you be in the way of the projector as you color over it?
this depends on how much you could place your projector at different angles with the necessary corrections

[Anonymous No.3821881]

It's a good tool but a new artist should be careful with it since what they're trying to do is something that'd they'd probably be able to solve by simply practicing their drawing skills instead

[Anonymous No.3821903]

>>3819069
Tracing =/= referencing. (As others already stated, but it's worth repeating.

At around 10:30 on that video, it clearly shows that the guy doesn't understand the structure. _At all_. It's hillarious.

[Anonymous No.3822111]

It's a great tool for figuring out perspective and proportions. Tracing it is obviously retarded though.

Just think of it as a way to quickly build your own references. That's even more trve cvlt then using random refs you find

[Anonymous No.3822280]

>>3819069
Learn how to draw normally first
Then learn 3d+photobashing

Holy shit it speeds up fucking everything. Once you have like a kitbash library built up, you can do almost anything. Also do NOT be afraid to photobash or use 3d. Seriously. Unless you have good economy of line, or excellent brush capability, 3d blockouts and photobashing will help achieve a level of professional work without grinding out every small little detail.

[Anonymous No.3822283]

>>3822280
>Once you have like a kitbash library built up, you can do almost anything.
And it's gonna look like shit.
I model my own stuff.

[Anonymous No.3823667]

>>3822283
Good for you, bro