Vent/Confessions

[Anonymous No.3802126]

A thread for venting and confessions

[Anonymous No.3802127]

>>3802126
I'm afraid I'm too good for the market and that it is not prepared for me.

[Anonymous No.3802128]

I want to illustrate and write children’s books but I’m fucking awful at coming up with ideas. I’m always drawing a blank. I want this as a career more than anything, but how can I be successful if I can only work in short bursts. Kinda OT, but I also want to do architecture but with this I have the opposite problem - I have endless ideas, but I’m unable to articulate them visually.

[Anonymous No.3802136]

>>3802126
>sketching is fun but my linework is shit
>coloring is still shit
>drawing backgrounds is a mental pain

The progress is there but it's moving at a snail's pace

[Anonymous No.3802136,1]

I used to be very creative and had tons of new ideas everyday,i started to care about learning than making illustrations and 7 months later i'm uncreative as fuck,i don't know what happened to me

[Anonymous No.3802154]

>>3802126
I have a comfort zone that isn't productive, has a tiny niche, wont make for good portfolio work and I keep on returning to it because my brain can generate them easily and quickly. I do studies and important work on the side, but I rarely seem to apply them to what I'm actually doing, or post them anywhere. I have ambition and goals, but can't seem to work on something more then 4+ hours w/o burnout to move closer to those goals. whenever I draw a creature its in profile, whenever I draw a human/monster its in 3/4ths and it all begins to look the same and pisses me off. The days I have off I spend as much time as I can painting, but minimum wage job is such a fucking timesink that I end up throwing away the better portion of my waking hours in a week to it. I'm angry because I'm unfulfilled and anyone who is close to me aside one or two people can't understand the feeling because they settled on having an empty life. I'm getting old faster, all I want to do is drink and render out a painting

[Anonymous No.3802158]

>>3802128
Look into creative writing. Thinking up ideas is a skill unto itself, that you can train. Focus on making simple, small connections and moving forward from that, creating a theme made from small, simple logical ideas. Things like word webs where you can connect a simple idea to the next one. plenty of classes out there for it, but you have to treat it like any exercise and grind it out. Same definitely applies to your architecture problems, but I don't know much about what that entails so I'll let another anon chime in with some help maybe

godspeed anon, you can do it with enough effort

[Anonymous No.3802164]

I never actually finish pieces, mostly because I hit a roadblocks where my current skills dont provide enough to continue.

I also hate studies, I know I should do them but I get zero fulfilment out of them. Sitting down and doing one for an hour burns me out faster than working for hours on my own pieces ever would.

I feel like I'm forever stuck in slightly-better-than-/beg/ limbo

[Anonymous No.3802172]

>>3802158
Thank you, I’ve done a few writing classes at uni and got good grades, so maybe with enough practice I’ll be able to apply it regularly. Thanks for the words of encouragement, anon, helps to be reminded that it isn’t just the talented that can succeed and all skills can be developed

[Anonymous No.3802179]

>>3802126
I haven't drawn since Nov. 26
I don't do studies even when I do draw
I almost never finish pieces
I don't know how to shade and color properly
I wanna pull down that angel's robes

[Anonymous No.3802181]

>>3802126
Stop copying tutorial drawings. You're not learning that way. You have to apply those lessons to your own work and designs.

It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

[Anonymous No.3802182]

>>3802127
g8 b8 m8

[Anonymous No.3802183]

>>3802126
I fucking hate people that claim they are an artist in real life, especially this faggot that has been only drawing frontal portrait busts for 3 years, the only thing that changes from his drawings/paintings are the hair and eyes and sometimes the angle of the jaw. I also hate the fact that I can't draw for another 2 weeks due to an inflamed thumb tendon

[Anonymous No.3802185]

I hate /ic/ so much, you guys put me in a bad mood every day. But I see you /beg/-tier guys struggling and getting pissy, I know how much that sucks and want to help. Inevitably get pissed off myself because none of you actually want to do the work required to git gud and then I hate you all again.

Nobody said art was easy breezy. It takes balls, a healthy work ethic, a lot of failures and a lot of time. You guys are so afraid to fail that you'd rather be angry little fags on an image board than be productive with your time and actually get good. You hoard perfectly good reading material, if you guys ever actually did the work in those books you'd probably be good enough to get commissions at bare minimum.

But none of you care, and it's annoying as shit. Fuck you /ic/.

[Anonymous No.3802187]

>>3802183
>How dare these people who make art that I don't like or am not interested in call themselves artists!

[Anonymous No.3802192]

>>3802185
This

[Anonymous No.3802194]

>>3802185
too true

[Anonymous No.3802195]

>>3802183
youre an artist if you make art, and pretty much anything can be art depending on the viewer

hes an artist, just a bad one according to you

[Anonymous No.3802197]

>>3802126
i wish i had an artist gf to draw anime with, no joke

[Anonymous No.3802199]

>>3802128
The other anon has good advice for idea generation. Start small, and expand. However, forget about the architecture goals. It is a long, arduous, expensive process to start, and it is usually not like most people would imagine. It is not a good outlet for someone who has 'endless ideas' about architecture.

>>3802136
Try to not think of backgrounds as some sort of separate thing from your main subject, or like an afterthought that is a chore to get done. Instead, think of it your drawing as one complete thing. Your subject is just a piece of the work that the rest of the composition is designed to accentuate.

>>3802154
It would help if you expanded upon your goals, and why you think your monsters are unproductive towards achieving those goals.

>>3802164
>>3802179
>I almost never finish pieces
>where my current skills dont provide enough to continue.
It sounds like you have some expectations on how something is supposed to turnout, and then you get bummed out and quit when they don't reach it. I cannot stress enough how important it is to loosen up from this. Lower your standards of yourself. Seeing things through to completion is incredibly beneficial, and you'll grow a lot more as an artist when you regularly finish work. These 'roadblocks' are artificial barriers you've set up in your mind, where the process stops becoming enjoyable. You need to re-discover than enjoyment again - even if it means throwing out all rigid rules & fundamentals & expectations and just working on the way you want to be working on it. Some people might say you are 'polishing a turd', but - anons - that is YOUR turd and you should be proud of it.

[Anonymous No.3802208]

>>3802126
I want to study values and digital painting in my free time, but i always do linework and feel bad because i fear making mistakes

[Anonymous No.3802220]

>>3802208
Fucking same.
I just don't understand how to personally transition into painting original stuff. Once I'm done with my drawing I lose motivation to start painting them. Usually it's because I'm either too exhausted or not satisfied enough with the drawing.
I do painting studies sometimes, but I just can't bring myself to properly make my own original painting.

[Anonymous No.3802223]

90% of the complaints and problems here are the result of overthink fueling stress and anxiety

[Anonymous No.3802232]

i used to kill my little brothers pets every time he pissed me off
i killed 2 hamsters, a bird and a turtle

[Anonymous No.3802239]

>>3802195
Can I say I'm a weightlifter because I carry my shopping home?

[Anonymous No.3802240]

>>3802220
Maybe spend less time on the drawing. It should be accurate but your going to paint over it so it doesn't have to be gorgeous.

[Anonymous No.3802241]

>>3802232
Holy shit

[Anonymous No.3802242]

>>3802126
/ic/ is basically r9k with an art tint where it should be an art /fit/. I come here every once in a while cause there will eventually be something interesting or when I'm bored because I don't shitpost on social media. It's artcels 99% of the time. Losers who won't listen to the tried and proven methods and look for shortcuts for longer than they actually sit and work, It's an art board where almost nobody ever posts art, infact posting art is like some mexican standoff shit in here. Critique of other artists is almost always 100% either unproductive cock sucking or unproductive trashtalking, Never actual dissecting or learning from a piece. Artist shittalking is 99.999% of the time good artists who make losers red with envy. There are more threads relating to politics than art( what races can draw, talent is a secret plot by everyone on ic, why does the artist from so and so are so mean...).
Artists who post their work and are actually good often get shat on by others. PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY IGNORE POSTS ON BEG IF THEY MAKE EM FEEL INSECURE. Every damn time there's somebody who draws good on beg you best believe he won't get any response or anything back, even when he could really use some.

[Anonymous No.3802243]

>>3802239
No because weightlifter has a stricter definition than art.

[Anonymous No.3802245]

>>3802243
Pretty much anything can be considered a heavy weight depending on the lifter

[Anonymous No.3802246]

>>3802239
that's not similar to the problem
what the situation is like is that artist is more like a guy that only does deadlifts
does that mean he doesn't exercise?

[Anonymous No.3802248]

>>3802242
Wow at least one other person on this board gets it.

[Anonymous No.3802254]

>>3802232
Based
Pets are a waste of space and money

[Anonymous No.3802258]

>>3802126
I think about porn every night before bed. I haven’t had a libido in years but I often daydream about, “wonder if I can turn this into a doujin” some time ago I thought that I was too degenerate to fit in with mainstream shit and befriend fans so I decided the only thing I deserve to look at is disgusting doujins, but it became sort of my home and I love the funniest plots (I learned how to discern via the style which ones will be funny.)
But however
>will I even make money from this?
>what if I’m worse than I think I am?
>what if I spend a lot of time on one that doesn’t get recognized?
The only thing that calms my fears is Chainlink. I sunk all my inheritance in it. My grandparents think I bought stocks or it’s in the bank. Whenever I get scared I’m not gonna have a future in art I remember Chainlink. Thanks Sergey.

[Anonymous No.3802259]

>>3802126
I want to be able to draw more than anything in the world but I always lose motivation when attempting to practice and nothing comes out anywhere close to how I imagined it. I've been bashing my head against the wall trying to figure out how to draw a jaw from the front, no matter how hard I try it always turns into a U or V.

[Anonymous No.3802260]

I'm just tired of trying
I've been trying my hardest for an honest 5 years. In that time I spent hours of my life just toiling away and drawing to get better.
Never drew anything I was happy with, all that time.
I know someone's going to mention the standards I hold myself to, but I can genuinely see my work lacking both appeal and skill.

I went with my cousin once to his friend's place, about 8 guys, and we really didn't do anything. It was such a shock to me, in over 20 years I had never "hung out" with someone.
All they did was chill and watch sportsball really, just a very natural thing they did, while I worried about every hour I missed. They were much happier than I am, they learnt to socialize.


Frank Frazetta, an American artists and illustrator, attended a fine art academy at age 8 and was blowing away instructors there. He's had many artbooks published, but I only own one.
Looking at his work deeply upsets me, he has genuine talent and I can't stand it. Yes, he's put in a lot of work but he had results and support from those around him to push him forward.
I have nothing compared to him, not the talent, not the grit, not the strength.

I feel like the world is closing in to crush me, I've failed at pretty much every thing I've tried, from fitness to art to even talking.
My memory keeps getting worse, and I've started to have these extremely stressful and sometimes very long dreams every night.
By the rate things are going I'll at best be mediocre by the time I'm dead.
I'm just exhausted at this point, and I don't know if I can keep going.

[Anonymous No.3802270]

>>3802260
I think being an autismo at art has its perks, but I get the feel. There’s kiddos that are so young and they just have that “quality” about them that shoots them to the top. I’m 99% certain they don’t have the melancholy and frustration attitude you have, I’m real sorry about that. But however even “bad” art has its charms, maybe you just need to get some good rest, clear your head, and try again. I think there’s “trying and improving” vs “forcing and bashing your head against the wall.”

[Anonymous No.3802273]

>>3802258
No one is going to buy your bags, Pajeet.

[Anonymous No.3802275]

>>3802126
MY FAMILY STILL THINKS I HAVE DEPRESSION LMAOOO THEYRE LETTING ME NEET IT UP I FEEL SO GUILTY BECAUSE IM USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO DRAW ALL DAY HELP I AM TRULY TRASH!!!

[Anonymous No.3802278]

>>3802273
Never selling

[Anonymous No.3802280]

>>3802258
who's that cutie

[Anonymous No.3802290]

>>3802280
Link-chan
One of many link waifus

[Anonymous No.3802291]

>>3802240
I know,i also know i can do better and improve my flaws but i just cant get my hands on it
>feelsbad
>feelsguilty

[Anonymous No.3802295]

>>3802258
Lol this is one of those cryptic /biz/ crypto memes isn't it?
Do you know the artist? And is there more fanart of her? I like her.

[Anonymous No.3802296]

I hate every last artist I know with a burning passion
I am an artist

[Anonymous No.3802298]

>>3802295
>>3802290
>>3802278
Pajeet shills are in full force.

[Anonymous No.3802302]

>>3802295
I’m the artist
Few more: >>/biz/thread/S12467331
>>3802298
Kek we have enough marines

[Anonymous No.3802304]

>>3802302
Did you make any design sheets/turnarounds of her? I want to draw fanart of her butt

[Anonymous No.3802319]

>>3802302
>we have enough marines
You faggots are the digicucks that had the same bout of autism over your shitcoin. Don't think for a second that we didn't forget how hard you gloated over this shit, you reap what you sow.

[Anonymous No.3802324]

if I spent half the time I spend browsing /ic/, I would probably be able to draw a nice looking cat

[Anonymous No.3802360]

>>3802126
I'm poor and depressed and with a bunch of people hunting me down to complete the work i promised them for pennies. I complete it eventually and then i have to suck dick for more sub minimum wage work.
I should end myself soon.

[Anonymous No.3802367]

>>3802275
If your parents think letting their son sit alone all day in a dark room will help with his depression then they are the ones that should feel guilty.

[Anonymous No.3802373]

>>3802126
Why does every fucking thread on this board devolve into anime discussion?

[Anonymous No.3802396]

>>3802260
I don't have much to contribute, but I really relate to this post man. Sometimes at the back of my mind I feel like I draw because it's the only thing I've ever been "good" at, but once you break out of the normie sphere of friends and family impressed with your work the standards for good are so much higher than you realize. The thing that continues to snap me out of this is that even though my progress is slow and I'm not very talented I genuinely enjoy drawing, every once in a while I'll get absolutely lost in a piece and nothing else in the world matters. As long as you have that I say keep going anon.

[Anonymous No.3802423]

>>3802319
You can’t compare LINK to whatever shitcoin that is. LINK’s literally not even a coin. And if you have to question it, you haven’t done your research and I’m not gonna spoon feed you. Lmao at your brainletism to think they are in anyway similar. I’ve probably spent hundreds of hours in the past year reading threads, the white paper, following the trails, literally looking at everyone of the 7000 people Sergey follows, refuting fud, explaining to other brainlets, looking at the archives, creating collages, and obviously some memes in my downtime. I’m all in on LINK. I had $3 in my bank account at one point, until I found a $20 bill and put it in LINK. I sort of wish other artists knew about it because it could mean a more secure future for them, but I’m a greedy Jew and I don’t want anyone else to have my stinkies (as well as not wishing this kind of risk for anyone else) I don’t want other people to buy yet (so I’m not shilling here) because I still want to buy more for myself.

[Anonymous No.3802436]

>>3802304
Nah but feel free to design her butt anyways. The linkers will love anything you make of link-chan

[Anonymous No.3802444]

>>3802367
I don’t want to leave my room until I /makeit/ I can’t face my family otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3802450]

>>3802258
>>3802295
>>3802298
>>3802423
The next five or so years of my life hinge on chainlink. I hope people aren't wrong about it. so far i have made about 2000usd on link and would like to maybe travel or start a studio... Ive already wasted so much time dicking around, this would give me the confidence and stability to move out of my parents house and maybe go to school.

[Anonymous No.3802460]

>>3802181
I always feel like it's more helpful to look through my art books for help with drawing/painting a specific thing then hoarding a bunch of disorganized tutorials.

[Anonymous No.3802467]

>>3802126
Went to art school and finished a degree in animation. Ended up still kinda shit at drawing but animations were clean and movement was smooth. I always animated these little doodle-like characters that covered up my lack of talent. Stopped drawing for 2 years cuz disheartened that I wasnt "good" at drawing yet. Pretty much went like
>sit down to draw
>have idea of what I want
>cant draw it how I want it to look
>get mad and stop
x100 until i quit cold turkey
Someone pointed out to me that my psychology is all fucked up after I told them I was a "gifted" kid. They said I never learned how to work hard at something and deal with failure, which kinda sucks.
Yesterday was the first time I drew anything since september 2017 and i'm kinda hoping i'll never need to type out "first time i drew since ..." ever again.

[Anonymous No.3802473]

I want to improve and I keep trying to work through Loomis but I struggle reading through to get to the exercises. I feel like a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.3802478]

>>3802450
You deserve to suffer for your crypto retardation

[Anonymous No.3802495]

>>3802450
Even if it works out you're destined to never make it.

[Anonymous No.3802497]

>>3802478
>>3802495
t-thanks

[Anonymous No.3802539]

>>3802126
I got drunk last night, came on here. Got into an argument. Got into a “post your work” Mexican stand off.
I posted my work.
“Ahhh shit, now my rantings will be associated with my work, what will be the fallout in the future?”
Wake up today, check thread.
“Thread pruned or deleted.”
I confess I am happy about that, but wish I stayed up to see why the thread was deleted. Anyone know?
The thread was called “ Why yes, I did go to art school”

[Anonymous No.3802564]

My vision goes blurry after an hour of drawing and my hands shake like mad making clean line work difficult. I’ll be drawing and either I’m shaking or I can’t see the paper because my eyes blurred out and I just have to hope I put the long in the right spot. Been considering working bigger but that would mean I need to buy some giant scanner.

[Anonymous No.3802572]

>>3802126
I have no idea how to start freelancing or how to actually build a clientele
I also think just posting my shit on instagram will work, and i don't know where i should post my stuff if i want people to see it
I also hate my porn drawings so lately i've been doing less and less commissions and i don't know how i'll pay my bills this month

[Anonymous No.3802578]

>>3802126
I got an erection from seeing my 13 year old cousin when the family got together at my parents' house for Christmas. She was wearing this sweater that was 2 sizes too small and showed some of her midriff if she bent over or leaned too far one way plus yoga pants. Am I a bad person?

[Anonymous No.3802582]

I don't draw but funpost here

[Anonymous No.3802583]

>>3802450
Same anon. I remember last spring was extremely bullish and I had so much confidence because “the future is in the bag!” And started acting on things I was too scared to do before, but lately it’s not so confident that it’ll be “EOY”
Ah I hope Chainlink makes it. It would make up for the shit life I’ve lived so far.

[Anonymous No.3802586]

>>3802583
Fuck off shills/trolls

[Anonymous No.3802587]

>>3802539
Dude you’re not that important. Even if you were sakimichan no one is going to specifically look for her posts in a Sudanese turd farming forum.

[Anonymous No.3802589]

>>3802586
Why do you hate LINK so much? Did you get Jewed by the billion coin?

[Anonymous No.3802596]

>>3802258>>3802450

same but iota

[Anonymous No.3802599]

>>3802596
What do you see in iota?

[Anonymous No.3802608]

>>3802586
>trolls
go back

[Anonymous No.3802616]

>>3802126
i'm bad at finishing things. i work pretty fast but once it gets to the refinement phase i hit a mental wall where i feel terrible & take forever to make even little decisions. most of my work feels soulless and empty & even though i know that after being sad and tired and alone for so long i don't have anything left to put into it. i find lots of success doing things i don't care about or put any real effort into but once i start caring it fucks everything up.

>>3802154
>but can't seem to work on something more then 4+ hours w/o burnout to move closer to those goals.

try working in shorter but more focused increments, ie; 15 min then a 90 sec break.
i'd love to see more of your work anon.
>>3802260
>in over 20 years I had never "hung out" with someone.
>while I worried about every hour I missed. They were much happier than I am, they learnt to socialize.

it hurts anon

>try to become a good artist so people will be your friends
>never feel good enough to talk to anyone, never make any friends
>>3802242
/ic/ used to be more like that back when we were all algenfags trying to go neetmode & grind 16+ hours a day. then it went from hating yourself & trying to draw better to hating on everyone else & art drama

[Anonymous No.3802617]

>>3802539
You know there's an archive that saves past threads right?
>>/ic/thread/S3801005

[Anonymous No.3802622]

>>3802578
Pics?

[Anonymous No.3802633]

>>3802617
I knew threads were in general, not sure why I thought deleted ones were not.
WELL SHIT!

[Anonymous No.3802637]

>>3802587
Correct.
I just hate running my mouth when I’m drunk and waking the next day thinking..”WELL SHIT!”

[Anonymous No.3802638]

>>3802586
im not trying to shill crypto, i wouldnt want to bring anyone else on this rollercoaster.

[Anonymous No.3802669]

I want to boss artists around instead of doing the heavy lifting by myself, that's where I truly shine as a ""creator"".

But I also have very particular tastes and want to monitor every nook and crane of the process, so I need to learn to draw. I wasn't born for this, but I also don't wanna let go.

[Anonymous No.3802671]

>>3802467
>gifted kid so dont know how to work hard meme
>went to art school
You're just a fuckup in general anon. Tbh if go on for a while and quit again it should just be forever. At that point you should just accept that art isn't for you and find something else to make a hobby/job out of.

[Anonymous No.3802675]

>>3802578
You're a pedophile, harry

[Anonymous No.3802676]

I'm also one of those kids that were praised by family/friends for "talent" growing up. I actually went to art school and hated it, it killed my enjoyment of drawing and I'm still crippled to this day. I think because when I was little I used to copy manga and stuff and they beat into me that that was bad. Meanwhile I watched my classmates that drew abstract paint splatters get A's in critique. I despised the subjectivity and went into STEM. I'm not very talented at it but at least there's an actual demand for people in my field. Art is so oversaturated that 90% of it is marketing/networking/luck. I had a brief stint where I tried to profit off my art but it was a total joke and waste of time. I'm a total asshole for it but my guilty pleasure is to go on here and laugh at everyone's posts.

[Anonymous No.3802694]

>>3802669
just become a creative director ;^)

[Anonymous No.3802705]

>>3802671
shut up you stupid projecting nigger

[Anonymous No.3802860]

>>3802199

It's unproductive towards my goals because, well, it doesn't really sell anything. It wouldn't fit too well in a portfolio. All of the artists that inspired me to do this creepy work have an established base of work that gives them freedom to do this. It's like a fine artist who likes to draw anime when they know they should be painting. That inner monologue that tells you that you're sabotaging yourself. And that's why it bugs me that I always seem to default to it. The answer is easy though, just shut up and draw what you need to, to fill a body of work

>>3802616
I usually take a break every hour or so to stretch and do some push ups. What I meant is that, even with breaks, I get tired and upset when I work on the same piece for more than that long. The lack of progress and all the glaring little issues make me want to delete the file, but I usually just shove it off. Not a good mindset to have if I want to build this into a job. The answer to this one is easy too. I know that I should really just shut the fuck up and continue, that over time the feeling will subside. it's just getting there

[Anonymous No.3803062]

>try doing Keys to Drawing after having a hard time with Fun with A Pencil
>have fun with the first few exercises
>try doing the hand one on my own after I feel confident enough
>everything turns to shit

[Anonymous No.3803088]

>>3803062
It's gonna look like shit if you're a noob. The important part is that you're understanding the ideas behind why you do those exercises.

[Anonymous No.3803136]

I take months to finish a work due to university and procrastination, makes me envious on how some people can finish in less than 24 hours. I'm talking about mostly 2D and 3D rendering.

[Anonymous No.3803149]

>>3802676
Based stem anon. Glad I took stem and made drawing just a hobby. I can draw and improve at my own pace while ensuring I have a stable income and retirement fund

[Anonymous No.3803160]

>>3802126
I gave up a stable, well paid job to pursue art and while it's going ok right now I'm worried I'll regret it when I'm older.

[Anonymous No.3803342]

>>3802187
did you even read what I wrote, he literally spent 3 years of his life repeating the same drawing, no progress at all. I'm not mad that he claims he's an artist, I'm mad because he didn't make progress at all. I should have worded it better, my bad.

[demon No.3803344]

I only draw anime and I find western art FUCKING ugly

[Anonymous No.3803361]

>>3802633
I liked your skull

[Anonymous No.3803432]

I'm scared I'll never be able to wrap my head around how tf colors work. Everytime i try to paint something i spiral into manic confusion and keep layering over and over and over until i lose hope

[Anonymous No.3803501]

>>3803344
The only western art I can stomach is weeb anime imitation

[Anonymous No.3803507]

>>3803432
You have to cut yourself off and finish a piece. Once you're done, you can analyze what to try next time. Trying to pile all that learning onto one piece is just going to overwhelm you

[Anonymous No.3803510]

This board's biggest problem is insincere responses from insecure funnymen.

[Anonymous No.3805212]

>>3802126
i've been drawing most my life.
Knew i wasn't good but kept trying my best.
Depression has helped creatively but also hurt my motivation as an artist.
Decided to get my bfa in fine arts.
Now i have my degree and have no motivation left.
I have a job to support me but i know deep down i would like to live off of making art.
I feel like i've let everyone around me down.
I just seem to make stuff no one wants and i feel half the time the quality is mediocre even when i think its finished.
In all, its just all so tiresome. And im not sure if its worth the time anymore.
Thanks for the vent thread though, its been eating away at me for awhile thinking about this.

[Anonymous No.3806570]

im 21 yo. i have never felt passionat about anything despite being talented in a few things and trying my hand at a shitload of stuff. recenty i started oil painting and i fucking love it. im not even particularly good at it but i want to do nothing but draw, ink, and most of all, paint. but i have to study get a diploma have a family kids etc... in my family anything less than a phd is not an educaion and art is not work....

[Anonymous No.3806571]

>>3802126
Im skipping practice time to discuss which animals i find cute

[Anonymous No.3806573]

>>3802126
I feel like a retard trying to do this hobby I clearly have no talent at. Yet I dram to be at least decent.

I feel stupid for studying anatomy instead of learning the manequin.

[Anonymous No.3806594]

>>3806570
You don't have to do any of that stuff buddy, you're 21, most would consider that an adult. If you're genuinely passionate about art keeping working on it, even if you study or work, keep going with the art. If you've got a passion for something don't let something stop you especially if it's other people (or your own) expectations of what you should be doing.

[Anonymous No.3806625]

>>3802126
I hate everything I draw
I only draw for attention and need others to give me ideas
When left to my own devices, i can't come up with anything and don't have the motivation to draw
I hate seeing how much better other people are than me
I hate practicing
I use drawing as an excuse to procrastinate about something but then when I realize I have to actually work to draw, I stare at the blank canvas until I run away to do something else which will inevitably end with me running away

[Anonymous No.3806688]

>>3806625
kek, reads like an evangelion episode

As for me, i'm a narcissist who has been drawing for 15 years, but never posted a single picture online because i'm also a perfectionist. I got a STEM degree, but have been half-assing my job until i fell out of the loop and will be jobless next winter. I feel oddly satisfied because it means i'll be forced to try to make a living out of my art. I'll probably end up homeless anyway.

[Anonymous No.3806747]

I honestly don't find art to be hard or unfun but I suppose the realization that even when I eventually do become professional is that it won't be all it's cracked up to be.

It's still hard work and it's still difficult.

[Anonymous No.3806775]

chasing vague goals halfheartedly is a sign of mental weakness and immaturity

you're still stuck in your fantasies while everyone's working with concrete stuff. you just want that concrete stuff to build up into your fantasies

there will always be a clear divide between the two. most people give up on fantasies after being thrown on their ass by life. or smart ones can sniff out the nature of life itself without having to suffer too much. but you will have to idiots who believe in 'follow your dreams.'

It would not be so bad if they obtained more pleasure from the work itself. But a lot of these idiots just stay hopeful yet do not put much regard into the work.

It makes sense to me. If you lust after a dream enough, it hurts to do the work, because if you ever have to face the fact that you do not enjoy the work itself, then your dream is as good as dead. And that is too much for the spineless to handle.

[Anonymous No.3806787]

I started visiting /ic/ less because I signed up for art classes at college, but the art department at my school is very mediocre. I’m not an art major and took the classes for leisure but I couldn’t believe the shit being made by the advance level/portfolio students. I’ve learned more from non-credential classes and using this board.

[Anonymous No.3806819]

I want to make a living out of digital drawing, but I'm still at a /beg/ tier and even though I'm practicing a lot now, I feel that if I don't get at a pro level NOW I'll just never make it. I feel like I wasted 10 years drawing on and off and that now that I'm 20 it will take me another 10 years to make something decent.

[Anonymous No.3806822]

FUCK any artist than floods their feed with their pets and the food they eat. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR UGLY ASS DOG

[Anonymous No.3806850]

>>3802126

My art suffers from "the closer you look at it, the worse it gets" syndrome. People don't notice but I DO. Feels bad, meng.

[Anonymous No.3806854]

>>3802126
I love drawing but I hate the social media shill game. I have a job in the real world, outside of art that pays well, so I'm not really trying to 'make it.' I think I'm going to close my social media accounts and just draw for myself from now on. I guess it feels a little sad that I won't have anyone to share my work with, but I think I'll be happier with drawing in the long run.

[Anonymous No.3806865]

>>3806819
you can make a living after only 1-2 years of intense training, you're not gonna be doing some kick ass shit consistently, but you still going to make some money.

[Anonymous No.3806874]

>>3806819
looking way too far ahead to be close to useful thinking

[Anonymous No.3806881]

I'm in a never ending loop of feeling like I'm not starting in the right place. I'll get myself prepared to practice and study something, like heads for example, but then I'll think to myself "Wait, should I be practicing more perspective first? Or what about line quality?" and then I get myself psyched up and end up doing nothing.

It feels like I'll never get anything done unless I have something dictating what I do for me, like my figure drawing class I'm currently taking.

[Anonymous No.3806896]

>>3806881
try splitting the difference by doing the head drawing & then doing it from different perspectives/focal lengths

[Anonymous No.3806900]

>>3802467
One day, it will click, what people mean by "drawing for yourself and not others," and it will free you. Don't give up.

[Anonymous No.3806917]

>>3806775
this is the realest post in this thread

[Anonymous No.3806918]

I haven't drawn in weeks

[Anonymous No.3806958]

>>3806917
People will swallow anything to guard their self image, no matter how convoluted, won't they.
>>3806775
Sure, moving toward a concrete goal with the path laid out for you takes more strength than moving forward without clear expectations, and adaptability doesn't demonstrate foresight or maturity. And I suppose it's better to concretely be an asshole than a hopeless (immature) idealist. One of these is the villain of stories, the other the hero. Unless your hero is the cutthroat sociopath CEO type I guess.
But that's work for the truly spineless, daring not only never to think, (the constant reflection on the self and the world that true maturity stems from) but also daring never to allow "weakness" in. Human understanding, warmth, compassion, self sacrifice- things that take true strength.

[Anonymous No.3806959]

I get a throbbing headache every time i try to draw. Even if i try to do it the same way i've done for years, or trying to mix it up by choosing different songs or different drawing subjects, using refs, etc. Not even switching from digital to traditional and vice versa works. This has been happening for a whole month and i am at a loss. I just want to draw for the sake of drawing, but my own brain doesn't let me. It's irritating...

[Anonymous No.3807214]

>>3806959
Sounds like you got brain problems, little man. Or maybe you just don't get enough exercise or have a shit diet. Usually that's where a lot of bodily issues stem from. How much soda pop do you drink by any chance...?

[Anonymous No.3807216]

I started studying muscle anatomy to get better at drawing them, and accidentally developed a fetish for muscle girls no doubt because of it.

[Anonymous No.3807318]

>>3802126
I instantly lose respect for people if they hop on the #VisibleWomen #DrawingWhileX type hashtags. I just care about art, making a huge deal about what race or gender you are, or how you look irl, just lowers you.

[Anonymous No.3807320]

>>3807214
I don't actually drink that much soda, if at all. If i were to wager diet i'd say it's because i don't eat much of anything. I should try and eat more...

[Anonymous No.3807328]

>>3807318
Can't speak for anyone else but i do it for exposure. Virtue signaling retards and the people who like them often have spare cash lying around, so it's free exposure and work from faggots that see a hashtag and throw free money at you because you're X. I admit i feel the same about it as you anon, I'd like for more people to recognize it as a dirty underhanded play to get followers, that's what it is.

[Anonymous No.3807525]

Caring about loved ones is so draining I'm left with little time and energy to draw if we also account time spent working, eating, ...
I feel like I'll have to let go of all of my hobbies at this rate. I wish I could be a teen again.

[Anonymous No.3807540]

>>3802126
Everyone asking me to be more social, family, friends, everyone always asking "why I'm working all the time" and "it can't be healthy" or "you should go out more." None of them are doing anything with their lives so they don't understand. I wanna gitgud and be a professional artist and that requires a lot of practice. I just don't have the time. I don't wanna be one of those people when they're 40 or 60 years old and realize they wasted their whole life on bullshit they didn't care about. I love art, even my drawings right now. They suck but I'm getting better every day and I can't wait until I'm at the point where I can draw good figures and I'll be able to paint color and light properly. I have so many ideas I want to paint. Everything that used to interest me like movies and games all seem boring now in comparison to art

[Anonymous No.3807583]

>>3807540
thats all great anon but in the end other people only really care about your health and happiness. and those are the good people. all that shit you typed out is for you - nobody else will understand. even if they do, they will turn a blind eye to it because words are cheaper than dirt in this world. They'll evaluate other things like your weight, hygiene, etc.

[Anonymous No.3807602]

>family is somewhat poor, parents might have to retire soon
>want a good job so I can support my family
>manage to get a scholarship into a really good engineering uni, make it to second year

>8 modules in a semester
>hours of labs
>constant assignment submissions
>can't keep up with tutorial questions or sessions
>can't process all the information I'm getting
>falling behind is pretty much every subject
>almost completely isolated

>If I fail and lose the scholarship I have to pay it all back
>sponsored students have to pay almost 8x as much as locals
>If I fail I could potentially have to pay $100,000+ to the sponsor

I just feel like I'm going to die, I just wanted to get a good job and support my brothers and sisters.
I can't pass, I'm not smart like the other students. I don't understand thermodynamics and maths like they can.
I hate this, it feels like I'm about to faint, I want to get out of here but there's no way out.

Should've known I would end up like this but I was a bit too hopeful I guess.

[Anonymous No.3807611]

>>3802126
I did a meme games degree and now i cant get hired. I got rejected at burger king 8th time the past few months. Everyday upsets me and makes me think why i even bother or had bothered pursuing art, i havent even improved anything despite learning stuff. Sometimes i think of making my own little game and comic and stuff but "making it" is so difficult and i think to myself if i tried to do so all these years and came out empty why should i waste more time doing this, but in the end i know i have nowhere to go and i have no talent anywhere so i go back to drawing or thinking about it or looking at works.

[Anonymous No.3807729]

>>3802126
This far in from new years and I've yet to start practicing because I fear failure.

[Anonymous No.3807747]

>>3807602
ganbare, anon!

[Anonymous No.3807749]

>>3802179
literally in the same boat. I blame depression

[Anonymous No.3807753]

>>3807602
Nigga as an engineering dropout burnout I have to say this:
DO. NOT. GIVE. UP.
everyday I regret it. I think, “I wish I had just stuck it out harder. Wish I could take it all back.” I relate so hard to falling behind, swamped with work, feeling stupid, but I wish I had stuck it out. For example, I found out the class that everyone else seemed to be doing so well cheated on their assignments. I found out the “smart students” actually just half ass it (not forcing themselves to be able to answer everything 100%). I wish I had accepted a “C” is better than quitting.
Anyway you don’t want to be me. You don’t want to face your family and friends who are always going to ask, “what are you doing with your life?” I guess now the pressure is on to make it in art or to have dropped out for nothing.

[Anonymous No.3807820]

>>3802126
I feel a deep sense of jealousy towards popular artists. In order to cope with the jealousy I complain about them online and nitpick there art. I've also turned this nitpicky rage into a horrible perfectionist complex.

I have really bad self control so I rarely do art study's, but when I do its when Im in this weird state where nothing makes me happy/sad/bored so I can sit through anything. I've developed an aversion for drawing to long because I slip I to that weird mode.

[Anonymous No.3807822]

>>3802126
>>3802126
this is more of a fear..
I'm afraid if someone gives me a critique then i wont get it and people will be pissed at me for not getting it with in a day.
I guess i dont want to be that one guy who gets redlines/critiques for their art and at the end of the day it was pointless because they didnt actually understand what they were doing was wrong.
Idk i do need help with grasping and understanding information.

[Anonymous No.3807894]

>>3802126
I'm a nsfw artist but one time I posted an actual pic of my butt on my art account. It got more attention than my actual art. Feels batman

[Anonymous No.3807914]

>>3807894
to be fair, that must be a pretty amazing butt anon

[Anonymous No.3807921]

>>3807894
>>3807894
i can only think of one nsfw artist who goes on ic and posted a pic of their real butt on their art account.Though a lot of female artists do this especially nsfw ones so i could be wrong with my assumption.
Whoever you are, I can get why you feel bad

[Anonymous No.3807936]

>>3807914
It's more that the people who follow nsfw artists will normally like any nsfw material. I guess it's alright tho.

>>3807921
Lol all these #artvsartists and all the girl artists are posting generic cute selfies. Instead of something, idk just different than that. I'm not a girl tho, most of the people following me follow me for my gay art lmao.

[Anonymous No.3808116]

>>3807602
How do I help people like this?

[Anonymous No.3808117]

>>3807936
i wanna see your gay art now desu

[Anonymous No.3808205]

>>3808117
I don't think ic approves of furry art anon

[Anonymous No.3808227]

>>3808205
my dick does tho

[Anonymous No.3808314]

I was diagnosed with ASD some time ago and since then I slowly started to remove myself from every social circle I used to frequent online and offline.
I became very reclusive and silent and right now I deeply fear even talking to people or becoming friends with someone in fear of them judging me as hard as I'm judging myself right now.
I'm assisting therapy but the process is painfully slow and my desires to die seems to get stronger after every visit, the bills are also something that got me deadly worried.
I want to be normal and properly functional so bad, not just play pretend for the rest of my life.
Also my art sucks, I grew used to just gesture my way through it and now I'm too lazy and too scared to properly study fundies like an actual non retarded human being would do.

[Anonymous No.3808326]

Real question. How does one go through life having been put down and considered a problem and kind of haphazardly given a life with no real understanding for what happened to that person, having one’s faith broken repeatedly, only to see cycles form and to see oneself stuck in a loop while the people that hurt said person get to be happy and okay, all without that person developing delusions of persecution and learned-helplessness?
How does that hypothetical person unfuck themselves and live a good life? How does such a person even know what’s good for them or makes them happy? Can that person just work really hard and brute-force their way through all of those disadvantages to compete with the people that wounded them in the past? Not even to get revenge but just to not be the same person that was so thoroughly trampled before? To be a better and more complete version of themselves that can maximize whatever time they have left on earth?

A-asking for a friend. He’s in a lot of pain.

[Anonymous No.3808333]

>>3808326
Has your friend tried not being annoying and taking things more casually?

[Anonymous No.3808334]

>>3808326
Has your friend tried just living with what he’s got and accepting his fate?

[Anonymous No.3808350]

>>3808333
He’s tried not to complain to the people closest to him because he feels like he’s bothered them enough.
>>3808334
Yes, and he feels like some kind of horrible selfish narcissist for feeling like the love and support he gets from the people around him is no longer enough. Something inside him broke. It feels like heartbreak but nothing actually happened. It’s like a switch was flipped, and now it feels like everyone present in his life is just there to watch him fail again, like everyone is waiting for the sign that it’s time to abandon ship.

[Anonymous No.3808352]

>Inevitably drop most hobbies and aspirations
>Always lose the drive to continue, never enough to push through
>Soon to be 25, without any real talents so to speak of
>No intent to go back to college, currently work full-time

I've muddled through life without having a great enough passion towards anything.
The only thing that has been a constant, near passive thing, was drawing. As a child I had coddled myself with the idea
that I was better than my peers because of some semblance of talent. Obviously now thoughts have changed.
I have no gauge as to how much talent matters, if I have any, and it's importance in art.
I know going into art with the idea of making a living for oneself is beyond foolish.

My main concern this is going to be another failed endeavor, either I will learn the limits of my art (or patience), drop it, and
move on to some-other idealistic future self-image.
There are already so many artists, far more dedicated than myself. Countless artists work fades into oblivion, and especially in the modern art world (which I claim to know nothing off) the value of an artist isn't worth the paper.

Interestingly enough, a friend of mine has begun to hone their art abilities, primary from 0. They've progressed at a pretty astounding rate. I've gotten caught up in this as well, where we began sharing drawings and criticisms.
This holds two issues for me, at their rate, they will progress to around where I am in terms of skill, where I have been casually drawing without structure since elementary/middle school.
But also, now that I have someone to compare/compete, my drawings have progressed more than it has it several years, merely in two weeks.
It's probably pride on my part, only lifting the pencil to satiate that feeling. But then I think, if I even commit now, I'd only be 30 in five or so years, the idea that such a dream could be possible, is torturous.
Drawing is the one thing I have, I don't wish to fail.
>and he can't even draw

[Anonymous No.3808355]

>>3808352
Good confession. Keep living on.

[Anonymous No.3808356]

>>3802126
Yall i got critique for my first conceptual sculpture ever on friday. My shits not done, gonna use all day thursday to finish. Prof just sent us an email really strict guidelines and standards for our work and how the critique will go. I started shaking after reading the email lol

[Anonymous No.3808446]

All my friends also draw. They are good people and we talk about a lot of other stuff apart from art, but when it comes to drawing I feel like most of them want me to fail, and that really hurts.

[Anonymous No.3808465]

>>3808326
I am with you more than i can elaborate now, and so are i believe a lot of people. Keep yourself asking these exact same questions you have asked here and you will progress. I cant tell you why i am so sure that it is possible to achieve the very things you want, and i cant tell you how spot-on you described them, without sounding like a religious nutjob who tells he has seen heaven or something like that.
I can only tell you that it is possible. Its hard and the way to achieve it is convoluted, different for every person but the unchanging - thing - that is needed you have inside you.
I really wish i was further in solving these problems you stated so i could explain to you better.
For the love of everything you hold dear believe only this, it is possible.

[Anonymous No.3808468]

some of you fags have anxiety problems right?
how do you keep drawing when panic attacks get bad? i feel like such a weakling not being able to draw when it's like this

[Anonymous No.3808483]

>>3808468
honestly the best advice I have gotten on the same problem is

>go to your booru of choice
>type in your favourite tag
>start copying pictures

[Anonymous No.3808515]

I've been posting everyday for over a month and haven't had any growth on my social media. It's getting incredibly frustrating and discouraging, especially when I see shit like this with over 30k followers https://instagram.com/apra_art.. I realize that social media is a game that I'm not adept at, but I refuse to cheat through it like every other asshole.

[Anonymous No.3808611]

>>3808326
No one can ever fuck with your inner fire, only you - other will doubt you and hurt you, some will love you and trust you and help you.

But no one, fucking no one gets to take away your inner potential and energy. That is yours - let your dreams be the weight that transforms your charcoal experiences into diamonds

I believe in you, please believe in yourself.

[Anonymous No.3808638]

>>3802126
Over the last few years i've made arguably more progress than my peers over the same amount of time despite drawing less, which is good i suppose, still trash but w/e.
but what fucking churns my organs is knowing how far i COULD'VE been if i wasn't such a lazy, procrastinating asshole, if i'd at least drawn once a WEEK let alone once a day.
I fucking HATE myself for it, even more so knowing that it's probably not going to change and eventually my peers are going to pass me.
i beat my head against the god damned wall with this shit and it's so fucking stupid when the solution is much easier, relatively speaking, just have to fucking draw.
but god iit just hurts sometimes, to stare at the screen and earnestly try and it's so fucking terrible.
i realize i'm being a fucking little bitch boy but w/e, just gotta do better tomorrow i guess.
and every tomorrow after.

[Anonymous No.3808656]

>>3808446
Pretend you suck more than you actually do. Post ugly pictures in the group chat and then only amazing polished work online.

[Anonymous No.3808658]

>>3808515
If you know how to cheat, cheat.

[Anonymous No.3808722]

I think digital painting would be a great skill, but I always avoid it and stick to colored lineart. At this point starting to learn digital painting seems so daunting - I'm drawing for almost 5 years now and don't even know how my program's brushes work at all.

[Anonymous No.3808742]

I just wanted a normal job, some stability, a horizon, headroom. I went to college got the meme degree, learned to structure my time. Maybe I got what I wanted. Things are definitely better, is it because I'm older? But I'm just larping, there's no momentum, and everyone can see that I just want to be somewhere else. Doing something else.

[Anonymous No.3808769]

After pursuing a purely creative career for a long time with some moderate success, I have decided to focus on studying and getting a regular job that I enjoy and keep my artistic output as a hobby. I realised that always working on improving my technical skills and always with the goal of making a living off it was killing my love for the art.
I don't see it is "giving up", but as adding on a new exciting endeavour to my life, which I think will only serve to make my life richer. I think separating career and hobbies will be far more healthy for me and will only serve to make me a happier person in the end. I'm actually already a lot happier not feeling the pressure of needing a "break" anymore.

I'm just a little worried of one thing. Ending up spending several years in pursuit of a specific career and failing even at that. Or just ending up feeling like this guy
>>3808742

I guess we're all just struggling to find out if there's any way to truly be happy and fulfilled...

[Anonymous No.3808804]

>>3808769
Anon, know thyself. I'm undergoing some changes in my life right now. It sounds lame, but I would like to use this alertness I have (due to uncertainty?) to make more paintings. This happens every few years, I capitalize on the impulse. Turns out I can apply the skills I learned while I was cozy. Good luck out there.

[Anonymous No.3808900]

>>3808227
gay lol

[Anonymous No.3808977]

>>3808314
>I slowly started to remove myself from every social circle I used to frequent online and offline
>became very reclusive and silent and right now I deeply fear even talking to people or becoming friends with someone in fear of them judging me as hard as I'm judging myself right now.
I know that feel anon. I also feel guilty for rejecting invitations from people who wanted to befriend me irl
>I'm assisting therapy but the process is painfully slow and my desires to die seems to get stronger after every visit
anon I hope you'll get better soon. Just don't give up.
>too scared to properly study fundies like an actual non retarded human being would do.
It doesn't hurt to try, anon. I was there before and it takes baby steps to do fundies. You should try to do a challenge where you do a study everyday. There's lots of challenges around the art communities like the 100 heads challenge and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.3808980]

>>3802669
>that's where I truly shine as a ""creator"".
Is it really? Because it could just be your mind trying to trick you into not trying your best because it's hard through an excuse. Do you have any hard evidence that you are good at leading people to completed projects of higher quality that they have achieved on their own?

[Anonymous No.3808996]

>>3808980
Yes. I've directed a few projects and pushed my (way more skilled than me) partners to outperform themselves. But I don't feel much accomplishment from that, I want to see my own ideas put into practice, be the big name name behind a project and impose my vision on others!

[Anonymous No.3809061]

I've been told by my friends that a career as an artist with no college degree or formal training won't ever happen especially with my work ethic. Parents always push me to go back to college for anything but art. I have like one or two friends who partially believe I can "make it" but that's it. Feels like everyone knows I'm making the wrong decision except for me.

[Anonymous No.3809073]

>>3809061
Unless it's a good art college and you're rich, don't bother; learn something where a degree actually matters that can serve you as a "plan B" career and work on your skills on the side.

>my work ethic
If you think that critique is valid, then work on it. Be excellent in everything you do and there won't be a "wrong decision" to make.

t. graduated from Art school and never even got my diploma printed cause no one cares. At least I didn't pay for it.

[Anonymous No.3809110]

I have free college for the next 8 years and getting a degree in multimedia currently, but I feel like there should be some other good paying job I can do. I have no idea what else I can do besides art. I'm horrible at math but I excel a everything else and I'm into tech. Don't really know what other degrees I should consider...

[Anonymous No.3809129]

>>3802860
What makes you think creepy shit won't sell though? I think there's definitely a market for monster designs and horror themed shit. Every artist, no matter how good, is a dime a dozen until you learn to sell YOURSELF not some idealized version of it.

[Anonymous No.3809175]

>>3808722
Haha! How odd, I find traditional to be far more daunting because I started out in digital. A good starter for me was paint tool sai (pirated). Look up one or two tutorials, and just go at it. Next step would be to buy a CHEAP tablet for like $50 and use that. It should only take 20ish hours before it feels natural. But yeah, they're just tools that have broad purposes. Just a matter of getting used to them.

[Anonymous No.3809177]

>>3802126
can't decide on a lead grade. will this still smear?

[Anonymous No.3809195]

>>3808722
man lineart is a nightmare compared to painting

[Anonymous No.3809202]

10 year olds can draw better than me

[Anonymous No.3809514]

Thanks for your answers, made me really happy.

>>3809175
Great advice! I will totally look into some tutorials, sounds comfy. Actually I started digital as well, with Sai (bought btw - pls consider buying it if you use it, it's literally made by one dedicated guy), but I only ever drew shitty comics on DA. Now that I'm in art school and actually learned traditional painting - which I greatly enjoy btw - I really want to tramsfer these skills to the screen.

>>3809195
Depends on what you started with, I guess. Painting takes longer for me and I'm sadly a very impatient person. (Working on improving that)

>>3809110
How about graphic design? A great additional skillset for freelancing illustrators and the opportunity to get a comfy office job. I've know a guy who basically slacks off most of his day. He's mostly doing basic adobe stuff.
Honestly if there is something completley unrelated to art you're more interested in, do that instead. Really depends were YOU want to be in a few years.

>>3809061
Stay dedicated, anon! The two years between dropping out of college and starting art school were the hardest years of my life - working full time to sustain myself, while also learning how to draw and finally creating a portfolio. If you want it, there's a way. Allow yourself to fail. As long as you get up again, learn from your mistakes and take the next step to pursuing your dream it's not that hard. Maybe I'm rambling a bit too much here, but for me the moment where I full heartedly decided art as my carreer, things became easier. Trust that decision.

[Anonymous No.3809644]

>>3808326
I think I'm where your "friend's" at. I can't say I'm totally functioning though, only that I'm a lot further along to getting better than I was before. I suck at talking so the most I can say is I hope your "friend's" situation works out.

[Anonymous No.3809653]

i fucking hate charcoal i cant get it to work i've tried a couple of different methods.

[Anonymous No.3811946]

I'm glad to finally have bought Sai legally after many years of using a pirate copy but at the same time I'm still going to continue to use the pirate copy since I don't want to move over brushes or anything.

[Anonymous No.3811990]

I like drawing and learning but I always draw along and I don't know whar to draw, it's like I have no imagination or goal AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Anonymous No.3812018]

>>3811990
just do fanart lmoa

[Anonymous No.3812136]

>>3802126
I don't know if anyone else feels the same as me. I really feel so deeply about drawing and art, I just want to dedicate my entire soul and life to drawing and getting better. If there is one regret in my life, it was not focusing on art.

Unfortunately I am pretty bad at drawing currently, and that many people look down and shame art careers. The entry-level ones barely make money and you may never even make enough to break even.

The past few weeks I have suddenly began feeling extremely fearful, anxious and scared. I am plagued with fear, which is worsened by the competitive, crabby nature of this place. Why am I never good enough at art? Why can't I just focus on drawing better and better? This is honestly the only thing separating me from committing suicide.

[Anonymous No.3812139]

I haven't done anything for myself in ages, it's all for gram validation.

[Anonymous No.3812213]

>>3803062
Literally how'd you fuck up fun with a pencil?

[Anonymous No.3812226]

>>3808468
I vape and browse /ic/ for a couple minutes. If the self-derision get to be too much, I call it a day, though that usually doesn't happen.

[Anonymous No.3812227]

I work best under a time crunch. When I finished my project a couple months ago, I told myself I would throw myself into my art and practice before releasing my next project. Things have been pretty relaxed, but it's almost as if my life has no meaning anymore, because I'm not focused on any project in particular.
It's sort of a strange feeling.

[Anonymous No.3812228]

>>3802126
>could enroll in academic art atelier
>don't have enough time to actually do it
shit fucking cunt

[Anonymous No.3812260]

>>3812228
what the fuck is stopping you anon

[Anonymous No.3812288]

>>3812228
same. Im just terrified at the end of it all ill have spent all my savings and still not gotten a job

[Anonymous No.3812383]

>>3803432

I used to work with photo printing and the knowledge I got about colors helps me a lot with art, look into printing if you can, maybe it'll help

[Anonymous No.3812384]

>>3806959

Are you sleeping well, anon? Seems like a lack of sleep to me

[Anonymous No.3812421]

>>3807602
I feel like you're my future self, Anon. I hope it gets better for you

[Anonymous No.3812519]

I've always wanted to write a comic, but iy feels like a big step from the normal boring drawings I do and I have no idea how to make a story work through panels.

Im worried about:
How I write the story
Is the story boring?
Are the characters boring?
Giving up like I always seem to do

Its like I do one page then give up because somethings not right, maybe if I actually wrote the story out or did some kind of script it would be easier.

[Anonymous No.3812626]

>>3808314
Read up on Cyarine

[Anonymous No.3812895]

I've spent the past year and a bit building the fundamentals to be able to create art. But I don't actually have any ideas for what to make. No story, or passion of a piece. Just study after study after study.

I know how to make myself understand how to draw something but I'm lost as to how to train myself to be creative.

[Anonymous No.3812910]

>>3812895
Creativity is just putting things together and creating something new. Animals and humans make?

[Anonymous No.3812935]

>>3812519
study storyboarding and practice by doing short comics with just a few panels, just have fun with them and push to see what you can get away with when arranging a page.
>is x boring?
if something is interesting enough for to want to tell a story about it, you just need to assume that there is a good story waiting to be told. it's very easy to mindfuck yourself out of finishing anything if you keep convincing yourself it's not worth it halfway through.
>>3812895
just take any stupid idea you come across and run with it. even you don't end up liking it, you'll start to get clarity on what you do like via process of elimination. being creative & being a good designer involve entirely different skillsets from purely grinding fundamentals, the good news is that training those skills is really fun & pretty much just comes down to creating arbitrary problems for yourself to solve.

[Anonymous No.3813201]

>>3812626
Yeah I know about her, been here for a while now.
I deeply pity Cyarin actually.
Can't say her notoriety in the artist scene as a literal autistic womanchild makes me feel any better, call me pessimistic.
And autistic.

[Anonymous No.3813261]

>>3802126
Im on my fourth year of college trying to get an associates and drawing aint helping

[Anonymous No.3813266]

WHY IS CHINA SO GOOD AT RENDERING?
WHAT ARE THEY LEARNING THAT I'M NOT?

[Anonymous No.3813280]

>>3813266
Its just talent, you probably just don't have what it takes sorry anon

[Anonymous No.3813285]

>>3813266
They actually spend time to learn a lot about light and shadow.
>>3813280
>talent meme
Anyone can be good at rendering as long as they put in the time and effort.

[Anonymous No.3813286]

>>3813285
>time and effort
actual meme

[Anonymous No.3813287]

>>3813286
An hour isn't enough. You need to put in more than that. Sorry, I should have clarified.

[Anonymous No.3813302]

I cannot construct poses or do landscapes AT ALL
My color pallet is trash
I HATE THIS
HOW DO I GET BETTER
I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER WHICH MAKES ME MORE MAD

[Anonymous No.3813306]

>>3813285
>They actually spend time to learn a lot about light and shadow.
Are there any spesific ways they teach it or is it just hammered in with exposure? I'm good with either

[Anonymous No.3813320]

>>3813306
No, just properly learn it instead of half understanding it or else you'll come out potentially more confused than you were at first.

[Anonymous No.3813340]

>spend several hours on a thing
>turns out nice
>color it so it's more appealing
>post it
>hours later
>0 likes
>check the tags
>horrible drawing directly above mine, it's a sketch so no colors, way less interesting/cool subject matter, bad anatomy, just bad beginner art, not fanart or porn, not a single thing better or more appealing than my drawing
>thousands of likes
>my drawing
>0 likes
I'm not even sad/angry about this anymore, I just don't understand what the fuck is wrong with my art. I get engagements but people don't even click on it.
end of rant

[Anonymous No.3813343]

>>3813340
It could be anything. Maybe you don't make it look effortless enough or you've got no personality.

[Anonymous No.3813347]

>>3813302
AAAAAAAAAAHHH WE'RE SO LAZY WHY ANON WHY

[Anonymous No.3813351]

>>3813347
I don't know. Tell me about it. Is it too easy for you?

[Anonymous No.3813353]

>>3813347
Laziness is the devils greatest trick

[Anonymous No.3813355]

>>3813353
How so?

[Anonymous No.3813356]

>post work on /ic/
>don't even get a crit or anyone telling you it sucks
>just no replies at all

[Anonymous No.3813375]

>>3813355
because it's easy to be lazy

[Anonymous No.3813376]

>>3813320
Well, that's a bit open ended, but if that's what it takes, I'll just figure it out

[Anonymous No.3813380]

>>3813375
But it isn’t. It weighs on your mind like the world and tires you with each and every passing moment.

[Anonymous No.3813383]

>>3813380
Nah, I'm too lazy to think about it

[Anonymous No.3813408]

I can never seem to get my inking lines to be smooth, even with tool assists. I'm starting to think that its something I'm doing wrong instead of my hardware/software

[Anonymous No.3813448]

>>3813408
maybe it's not the way to go about it but I ink traditionally with a dip pen and I can ink with no effort digitally. No stabilization or that shit

[Anonymous No.3813455]

>>3813448
Many people use stabilization on tablets due to it being plastic on plastic. It's a lot slipperier than pen nib on paper, which has a natural drag due to friction.

[Anonymous No.3813460]

>>3813455
I dunno, I just learned to draw with dip pens and never had a problem with digital. Stabilization actually gets in my way so I do without. And I ink with really thin lines.

[Anonymous No.3813543]

I came here mostly to confess i haven't been sketching for almost 7 months and i wish to get back to the groove again. I'm very on and off. But i wish to flip the switch on again but this time i don't have a hunch or the tick that gets me to a sketching frenzy.

Help?

[Anonymous No.3813739]

>>3813351
Easy to be lazy? kinda
I get bad anxiety once I realize im not studying what I should tho
Which in turn makes me be more lazy because I paralyze or my hands start shaking bad

[Anonymous No.3813747]

that feel when your artwork gets rejected, and they gave you only one chance
reeeee

[Anonymous No.3813760]

>>3807216
You say that as if it's a bad thing, muscle girls are a patrician fetish.

[Anonymous No.3813763]

>>3813356
You must be in the "oh ok" zone. Your art is probably decent, better than "meh", but isn't good or bad enough to provoke any kind of reaction

[Anonymous No.3813765]

>>3813343
Can you explain the effortless thing a bit ? What looks pretty good/decent but not effortless enough ?

[Anonymous No.3813773]

I always tell people on /ic/ to practice fundamentals even though I started drawing 3 weeks ago

[Anonymous No.3813785]

>draw something every day for a while
>miss one day because of other hobbies
>don't pick up drawing again for 2 weeks
>feel like I actually improved a little bit by doing so
>draw every day again until cycle repeats itself

[Anonymous No.3814142]

>>3802126
I don't want to sell my art. I don't want to have to "market" myself or my talent. It feels fake as fuck and it's not who I am at all. I don't make art to sell it or turn a profit. I do it because I like the experience, the learning, the struggle, and the pay off of putting my everything into something and having it turn out good. Even if I get good enough that people will pay me to draw what I want, I still don't want to have to draw just to please people. I don't want other's expectations put on my art. I want to draw just for me, but I know that won't earn me a living or get me out of wage-cuck hell. It sucks knowing that I need to build a portfolio, not for myself, but for some random person to judge it and tell me if i'm good enough for them or not. I don't want to be good enough for them, I want to be good enough for ME. That's all that I care about. I don't want to have to give a shit what other's think about my art.

[Anonymous No.3814188]

I don't even draw but I give critique and advice.

[Anonymous No.3814240]

>>3808205

david is that you

[Anonymous No.3814569]

I want to be a career artist but I'm already in college and can't even draw straight lines

[Anonymous No.3814570]

>>3802126
sometime i just want to quit drawing
but at the same time i'll regret it

[Anonymous No.3814575]

>>3814570
Anon you can always take a break you know. You have your whole live ahead of you.

[Anonymous No.3814610]

I did some drawings of my crush. Nothing lewd but still embarrassing

[Anonymous No.3814646]

I'm never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.3814660]

>>3814575
how long of a break?

[Anonymous No.3814661]

>>3814660
Until you're ready.

[Ready0208 No.3814664]

I'm terrible with drawings unless it is a flag.

[Anonymous No.3814665]

>>3814664
Can you show us a flag you've drawn?

[Ready0208 No.3814743]

>>3814665
Here you go

[Anonymous No.3814799]

Drawing isn't fun anymore. I get thousands of notes for pretty much every drawing I make but that doesn't make me happy. I want to find it fun again, but I don't know how.

[Anonymous No.3814802]

>>3814799
What is fun?

[Anonymous No.3814806]

>>3814799
do you draw porn

[Anonymous No.3814809]

>>3814802
I don't even know anymore.
>>3814806
Rarely.

[Anonymous No.3814811]

>>3814809
How bad is your addiction to chemicals? Do you ever take breaks?

[Anonymous No.3814816]

>>3814811
I'm not going to do drugs. And yes I take breaks, but I feel like I would never get back into it if I didn't force myself to.

[Anonymous No.3814819]

>>3814809
how do you get thousands of notes? what do you draw?

[Anonymous No.3814821]

>>3814819
Anime shit.

[Anonymous No.3814822]

I put hours of work into my drawing but I never get the recognition that I want. Meanwhile I see shitty artist draw balloon tits and they are popular as fuck. Ive tried drawing sexy things but im just no good at it, and I prefer just making what I want. There I vented can I go now?

[Anonymous No.3814872]

>>3814822
Not until you eat your peas

[Anonymous No.3814875]

>>3814872

[Anonymous No.3814878]

>>3814875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fob1WXnRQrs

[Anonymous No.3814891]

>>3802599
Same thing you'll see in 5 years. Machine to machine payments that are feeless, instant, and quantum proof. Projects and partnerships with autonomous vehicle manufactures like Daimler. 2019 being the year of the very first consumer models being released. Not hard to connect the dots.

[Anonymous No.3814910]

I have no drive to actually practice. Whenever I sit down to do a study of any kind I just end up poorly drawing anime girls for a couple hours before giving up. I've been trying to force myself to change for the past month and a half but I'm stuck

[Anonymous No.3814918]

>>3812136
Go to other sites. This is a crab bucket. It's a big world, anon.

[Anonymous No.3814921]

>>3814910
Do it for a couple of years and you'll be poorly drawing great anime girls.

[Anonymous No.3815427]

>>3814910
maybe plan out a goal or schedule?

[Anonymous No.3815434]

I want more artist friends so fucking bad, but I only seem to make connections with my non-artist fans. Some of them dabble, but at that point I'm really more of a mentor or idol. The few artists at my skill level I've actually talk to have treated me as either a common fan to be patted on the head or some kind of perfect deity to worship. I just want basic mutual respect.

[Anonymous No.3815462]

>>3815434
you got a throwaway email or anything anon?

[Anonymous No.3815618]

>>3802126
I lose the will to draw when I remember that it's going to look like shit. Sometimes I can trick myself into enjoying the draft process but when I start on the lineart I realize how horrible the while thing actually is and just delete it. Then I go about another 4 or 5 days without trying to draw anything. I recently got Splatoon 2 though and I can win games pretty consistently so that makes me feel better.

[Anonymous No.3815693]

>>3815427
I don't really have much of a goal outside of making nice fanart of characters I like and whenever I try to make some sort of schedule of what to do I end up falling out of it in about a week or so. I feel like I'd do better if I joined a class or something that had specific assignments for me to do but I don't have the money for that

[Anonymous No.3815862]

Currently studying aerospace eng and I'm racking my brain over wether or not I should continue.

There's no design jobs, barely any maintenance jobs, and HR departments only what what they specifically want where I'm from.
There's another degree I've become interested in, "StructuralEng with Architecture", but I'm wondering if I'm just convincing myself I like it like I did before.

I can't trust myself and doubting myself all over. I hate the people I study with to the depth of my being but I don't want it to affect my life-changing decisions.

I get the feeling that taking a course with a stronger emphasis on design, visaul appeal and drawing might make me happier but I'm afraid of making that big jump and falling into the same pit

[Anonymous No.3815868]

>>3815862
Have you tried applying your engineering skills to concept art? You could make awesome spaceships

[Anonymous No.3815890]

I turned 23 today and the only people who know and will wish me a happy birthday are my parents. I have no friends in real life or online. I've spent the past 7 years drawing and refreshing /ic/, browsing pixiv and watching anime. I'm still a /beg/ tier symbol drawing failure.
The cherry on top of the shit cake is I have no skills or education to speak of. I didn't even finish HS.
I'm fucked. All I want is to gitgud at art and it's continuing to go nowhere fast.
I'm too afraid of pain and death to commit sudoku.
Other than that things are going great

[Anonymous No.3815896]

I masturbated at work and 2 hours later I masturbated in the bathroom at the doctor's office.

[Anonymous No.3815899]

>>3815868
That's not quite how engineering works, it was kinda in the past where they where also draftsmen but that's not really how it is.
It's more nitty-gritty than than that; like analysing how fluids/heated fluids flow in different shaped pipes and mathematical models for real system analysis.
For something that doesn't need to be applied in the real world, you'd genuinely do better visually studying the subject (and different forms of it) than studying how the spring-damper system eliminates oscillations or some shit.

The course I'm looking at sounds interesting though, it's 50/50 with architecture and design in a really, really good school.
I'll speak to my advisor, I'm almost set on transfering.

[Anonymous No.3815980]

>>3813356
>>3813763
IMO this is a good place to be in. to me it's a sign that my work is improving.

[Anonymous No.3815991]

>>3815899
Oh I thought aerospace was a lot more about aerodynamics and things like that.

[Anonymous No.3815993]

>>3815899
How to learn indepth about aerospace without going to a school?

[Anonymous No.3816002]

>>3815890
I've been there anon and I'm much older than you, don't give up. I even quit drawing for years. Study hard but also post work for critique, open a thread every now and then if you get ignored in the drawthreads, and ask specific questions on things that don't work for you. You're going to take a lot of shit by crabs but someone will give you actual advice.
If you are too depressed to draw then put the drawing aside and try to see a therapist, get a job and a social life, work on making your life qualitatively better, you will be able to draw better as well.
Art is a quite lonely thing to do, but you can try to connect with artists' communities and share your work. You should have an easier time doing that since you like anime instead of niche things.
And if you're not improving it's because you might be studying from anime, you need to learn construction, at least the basics of realism will help you a lot even when you draw manga.

[Anonymous No.3816004]

>>3815890
Happy Birthday, anon. Here's to another year of living. Hope you continue to draw anime.

[Anonymous No.3816557]

>>3802126
I can draw, a bit. I'm not very good at people or animals. I'm also to scared to show off my work cos I'm scared of the feedback. I would love to draw more but I run out of ideas very fast.

Pic semi related

[Anonymous No.3816672]

>>3816002
>>3816004
Thanks for the support fampais. At least I have you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

[Anonymous No.3816693]

>>3816672
I’ll always be there for you anon even when I don’t see you anymore. Cute drawing if it’s yours too.

[Anonymous No.3816701]

>>3816672
that's a really nice sketch anon, happy birthday

[Anonymous No.3816706]

I have no idea what I'm doing

[Anonymous No.3816721]

>>3807328
It's even worse seeing fuckhuge artists that already have jobs in the industry taking advantage of these virtue signalling hashtags.
All it does is just bury the smaller artists that these hashtags are "supposed" to help.

[Anonymous No.3816724]

>>3816672
And happy birthday anon

[Anonymous No.3816728]

I'm never gonna make it and its all my fault because I have 0 work ethic. It sucks dick because I want to draw but I know I'm never going to work hard enough to actually git gud.

[Anonymous No.3816745]

I hate how non-artists and artists view art very differently. Generally you see tacky gawdy generic uninspired emotionless middleschool shit winning popularity contests. And really good art is only truly appreciated and recognized by hard working artists. Makes me sad. I wonder if taste has anything to do with intelligence/skill.

[Anonymous No.3816751]

I very truly think that talent is what denotes who can and cannot be good at art. Anyone who's legitimately good at art is inherently talented and there's no way to tell me otherwise. Some salty fuck is going to reply and claim otherwise but talent is displayed literally everywhere else, so why isn't it a thing here, where it would be most apparent. Like, I watch a shitload of sports, and its really obvious when someone has "it" compared to other players. Take the NBA for example. There's a kid that came outta that Euroleagues, he's only 19, but hes a fucking prodigy, plays like a 10 year vet. Mind you, he's a white boy, so he's not an athletic beast who can just dominate physically. And there's a kid who's outta college, and hes 26 but he's not even close to this new european kid. Like, art is one of the few places where I see people flat out deny natural talent. It baffles me and honestly angers me. Sure, pretty much everyone worked hard to get where they are, but I've seen people say flat out that talent doesn't exist. Why?

[Anonymous No.3816834]

The never ending pain of rendering. Something so incomprehensible to my low IQ mind. So time consuming, but it is all wasted. 5 hours feels like 30 mins, and in those 5 hrs I progress very little. When and where to use a soft brush or hard texture brush, where to blend, what layering to do to give it that DEPTH, what steps to take, how to organize / formalize the process. How to make it so CLEAN and EFFORTLESS. I have probably nearly a thousand brushes in my brush folder and they all piss me off. I keep chipping away and trying a hundred ways to achieve that desirable and pleasing, professional polished look, but I never seem to get there. Countless hours staying up all night for some years, and I can't find the answer. Texture either seems too soft or hard in areas, values are too "disjointed", whole picture looks flat. And often times when I work harder/try fix to something, the result turns out looking worse.
Chinks are gods.

[Anonymous No.3816838]

This art journey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0w5oGVwJ_Q

[Anonymous No.3816840]

>>3816751
Have you read Outliers by gladwell?

[Anonymous No.3816867]

>>3816840
>everyone is an outlier

[Anonymous No.3816868]

>>3816867
Stay retarded

[Anonymous No.3816869]

i can't stop comparing myself to others, it has become an obsession of looking at their followers numbers and get upset I can't reach the same level of success they have, I fucking hate myself for being like this, I killed my love for art and can't get out of this hole, I'm desperate and wish i had a friend or mutual to come over and fucking punch me in the face see if I wake up out of this mindset

[Anonymous No.3816888]

help me i cant draw anymore, i used to draw for fun and do it as a pasttime. but now i see it as an option to "impress" or make money off of and that just killed it, i used to think that artitst block doesnt exist but holy damn i dont even want to touch a pen ive been stuck like this for months now and i dont know what to do i just try forcing myself to do it but theres this abhorrent rejection like as soon as i open up a painting program and touch my pen to the tablet my brain goes on full rejection mode like its eating some fuck awful thing ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.3817273]

>>3816728
>I have no work ethic so I can't develop work ethic
self fulfilling prophecy right here

[Anonymous No.3817276]

>>3817273
>if you believe you're going to make it, you're going to make it
Wow, self fulfilling prophecy sure is amazing.

[Anonymous No.3817280]

>>3817276
>complaining you can't figure out how to do things gets you nowhere
>positive thinking and solid work ethic yields positive results
but hey, you turned my words around in your own greentext
have fun in the bucket I guess

[Anonymous No.3817301]

>>3817280
Thats not even me, you fag.

[Anonymous No.3817316]

>>3813760
It's fucking gross
Muscles on womens is gross

[Anonymous No.3817324]

>>3817316
You won't survive this winter

[Anonymous No.3817344]

>>3817316
Aside from the leg tumors that's not even very buff. Have you actually seen hyper muscle fetish art?

[Anonymous No.3817594]

>>3802126
I always feel that I need to stick to only one style. But I can't decide what I prefer the most. So I jump between all styles which I like but I am devolping backwards.. It's like taking the red and blue pill together.

[Anonymous No.3818176]

I got a sudden boost in followers some time ago and I'm grateful for that but I feel like I've become afraid of my own followers and the expectations that come with it. I think I've managed to maintain my output but every now and then I just regress into this imposter syndrome state. I mostly do comic stuff so the expectations are more in content over art quality so I have to keep the ideas flowing and it's hard to tell what works in these down times

[Anonymous No.3819035]

>>3814743
AVE GLÓRIA