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Wacom just announced their new Wacom Cintiq 16 inch at CES. MSRP is at $649
https://www.wacom.com/en-es/products/pen-displays/wacom-cintiq
What are your thoughts on this?

>> No.3757533

>>3757530
Is it true that cintiqs fry your eyes? I heard people in the industry are suffering from retinal detachments.

>> No.3757581

>>3757530
wow, gotta love apple for bringing in competition with the ipad pro.

>> No.3757584

>>3757581
And all the chinese cheap tablets too. XP-pen, huion and so on.

>> No.3757590

>>3757530
They feeling chinese heat. Competition is good for us.

They have Cintiq "Pro" and Cintiq for shitters now. Need to research the differences.

Chinese getting presured by this too. Now no one will buy they crap for even 500$ dollars, when you can get Wacom. So they have to make they products cheaper also, i think in the range of 350-400$.

>> No.3757612

I want a new affordable 22hd. 16 is not big enough for me

>> No.3757617

>>3757530
do you still need a pc to use it tho?

>> No.3757618

>>3757530
so what's new about it? Unless it's a fully portable tablet like ipad pro or surface pro, not really interesting

>> No.3757620

>>3757530
HOLY SHIT TIME TO UPGRADE MY SHITTY 13HD THEN
But damn, that's a huge drop in prices, is the chinese that good?

>> No.3757621
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3757621

>>3757530
>price drop
VIVA CAPITALISM

>> No.3757624

>>3757581
>>3757584
based

>> No.3757625

>>3757530
>full HD
1440p minimum for that price please.

>> No.3757636
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3757636

>>3757584
>tfw just bought one of those Chinese "Cintiq Alternatives" a few weeks ago

>> No.3757637

>>3757636
Based dumbass

>> No.3757646

>>3757620
>is the chinese that good
Not even close.

>> No.3757685

CAPITALISM WINS AGAIN

>> No.3757692

>>3757612
refresh 22 at like 1,500 please.

>> No.3757694

>>3757530
How bad is the lag on these fuckers? I'm kind of interested in getting one, but I'm used to the puny screenless ones, and I'm afraid of spending the $$ just to not like it.

>> No.3757717
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3757717

Guys beware. The specs took a hit to reach that price, though they're trying to paint it positively. Stick with the Chinese stuff they're legitimately higher in specs at this point.
https://m.storexppen.com/buy/40.html?channel=officialwebsite

>> No.3757721

>>3757530
this look like any other cintiq with less feature.
japanese companys really are jews

>> No.3757725

this look like any other cintiq with less feature.
japanese companys really are jews
btw huions cintiqs are pretty good btw

>> No.3757739

>>3757694
The lag on the 22HD that I have is absolutely non-existent. Its the most responsive screen I've used and its an absolute joy to use.

>> No.3757740

>>3757717
What's that suppose to mean?

>> No.3757750

>>3757717
Those are not same level of quality.
>chinese drivers
>chinese "support" (faka you white boi)
>oh, this and this software does not work with chinese drivers

Compare that to wacom, a super solid in every field, work everywhere, solid build quality, we still use intuoses 3 at work, and i see them constantly in the pro videos, in bunch of studios also. You just know it works.

I'm not saying chinese are "bad", but as they say you get what you pay for, and i would pay 150$ extra for Wacom jew solid quality.

Also i don't believe chinese specs. It is kinda given that they lie on specs. But this one need more research, need to read good review that actually tested all of this shit.

>>3757740
Practically nothing if you are not a pro who prints what he paints. This is values for typical monitor. Pro Cintiq would be more suited is you are, um, like name says - "pro"

>> No.3757757

>>3757750
>This is values for typical monitor
nihongo detected. do you work for wacOm

>> No.3757764

>>3757530
Ha!
I spent 5 times that much on my Cintiq. Fuck me.

But it's nice that poorer people can get one now

>> No.3757766

>>3757750
The only issues with Huion drivers I have are an interaction with Nvidias that can be fixed with a screen setting, expected worse.

>> No.3757767

>>3757533
Mom. Get the fuck off facebook

>> No.3757784

>>3757750
>wacom driver

>> No.3757791

>>3757750
For what it’s worth I’ve ot heard anything bad about xp pen, drivers or lying about specs. But as you said it might just need more research into it. There’s a few YouTube reviews that are fairly positive but I’m not sure if any are capable of confirming the specs.

>> No.3757865

>>3757530
It might be made with shittier parts

>> No.3757870

>>3757764
>Poorer
So you're also poor?

>> No.3757883

>Color gamut: 72% NTSC (CIE1931) typical
oh no no no

>> No.3757900

>>3757883
If you're reacting like that you're either pro or don't know what it means. I'm assuming the latter.

>> No.3757909

>>3757900
I already have a 22hd with that same spec and I don't even like painting on it. I use my intuos and monitor instead. Unfortunately this would be a downgrade from 22hd minus the new pen and sensitivity

>> No.3757922

How is it compare to 13HD?

>> No.3757936

>>3757530
Huion and XP-Pen must be putting a dent in the pocket finally.

>> No.3757963

>>3757936
well yeah, but it doesn't really mean anything if future wacom products have greatly reduced quality because of it. As long as is solely on a competitive range it'll push them to normalize their prices, which is good.

Wacom's biggest market is their own Japan anyway, and this affordable model is primarily due to the majority of nip artists going for the ipad pro recently.

If they really want to keep their crown, they have to come up with a very good ipad pro alternative, something slick, intuitive, powerful, fanless, great brush and display, and most importantly fully portable.

>> No.3757980

>>3757764
Aren't you overdue on your finance payment for that thing? Hop to it.

>> No.3757996

>>3757963

Your whole post is kinda yikes, but this one i spend time and checked, because it sound like you talking complitely out of your ass.

>Wacom's biggest market is their own Japan anyway

http://investors.wacom.com/media/files/investor-relations/2018-english/181105_h1fy36_business_report_e_final.pdf

Looking at this report, we can estimate that Japan is literally smallest market for Wacom.

>> No.3758007

>>3757996
wtf!?

>> No.3758109

>>3757721
>>3757757
>>3757996
WAIT! Wacom is a Japanese company!? I always thought they were western!

>> No.3758135

>>3757530
>dat bevel
still too damn small and overpriced. When will the chinks make 32" screens already

>> No.3758151

>isnt even an answer to the ipad pro
>their mobile studio line is still overpriced trash
>shittier than just getting an intuos+a good monitor
>no side buttons for hotkeys

wtf were they thinking?

>> No.3758172

>>3758135
is there even a reason for most artist to own anything bigger than 24? what scale project would you be working on that requires that much screen size

i want a 20 inch one
good enough to move around if needed, not small enough to be a portable thing
15.6 seems just constrained enough to feel small

>> No.3758187

>>3758135
but they do, wacom even
>>3758151
I dunno but it's a good replacement to the 13hd and more affordable than 22hd, if you don't mind it being a smaller screen

>> No.3758270

What a scam, they made a 16 inch thats 1920x1080 but their other 16 inch one is 4k. This is basically the same thing as their 13 except now with 2-3 more inches in size but the same resolution, issa joke...

>> No.3758331

>>3757750
Wacom drivers and support is dog shit

>> No.3758333

>>3757530
Wacom is shit. They're lucky Apple doesn't want to go into Art tablet market otherwise they'd be out of business.

>> No.3758353

>>3757530
>3757530
$650 for a touchscreen monitor? Why are they so expensive?

>> No.3758358

>>3757621
It's not a price drop, it's a crappier version of their Cintiq pro 16.

>> No.3758382
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3758382

>>3758353
Why are you poor

>> No.3758384

I actually wanted to get a Pro 16 and run it at 1080p to go along with my Pro 32, but this seems like it should work out nicely as it supports the Pro Pen 2 as well.
Very pleased~

>> No.3758385

>>3758382
It would be fine if it were a computer, but it's just a monitor. I'll buy one for $300, but $650 is too much.

>> No.3758396

>>3758385
I'd buy an ipad pro 2 with apple pencil for $100 too, but I'm not an unrealistic fucking moron who has no sense of what things in the world cost.

>> No.3758405

>>3757533
I've been using one for 8 years and the only thing i've noticied is that my eyes are kinda sensible to sun light. But maybe it's due for looking at my smartphone at night.

>> No.3758417

>>3758396
I've been using a $70 Wacom Intuos for the past 2 years of my digital drawing life. I can't afford your fancy toys.

>> No.3758453

>>3758417
Why not just upgrade your drawing material with the money you make from your drawings?
haha

>> No.3758465

>>3758172
because 1440p at 20" is criminal

>> No.3758466

>>3758453
lul anon got BTFO

>> No.3758924

>>3757717
Jokes on them, I'm colorblind anyway.

>> No.3759000

>>3757750
>Practically nothing if you are not a pro who prints what he paints
I'm not a pro but I don't like the idea of inaccurate colours

>> No.3759006

>>3759000
Do you have professional color grading hardware and software or do you just hate the ~idea~ because you live in your head.

>> No.3759009

This could be just what I'm after;
While not the ideal 22-24"size, I suspect 16" would be just big enough to create serious work on.
I also suspect 1080p would be sufficiently high res for serious work.
That just leaves the concern over colour accuracy.
Spec wise, it seems at least as good as any other chink competitor, plus you get dat Wacom tech. Parallax will be worse than the Pro but shouldn't be significant

>> No.3759010

>>3759006
>Do you have professional color grading hardware and software
no
>or do you just hate the ~idea~ because you live in your head.
this. Am i worrying over literally nothing?

>> No.3759015

would this be better than the older 22HD?

>> No.3759016

>>3758135
>complaining about bevel on a cintique
do you levitate your stylus with your brain?

>> No.3759017

>>3759010
I'll let you in on a secret: all monitors have different colors and brightness and gamma and all that shit, even if it's the same fucking model of monitor. Printers and shit all have to be properly calibrated for anything to be accurate as well, which is why people get sent proofs for anything that's going to be printed in large numbers.
For the average person color accuracy and shit doesn't really matter at all except for people who like to jerk off over numbers that are almost meaningless for what they do.

>> No.3759020

>>3759017
okay, so if I pick a colour that looks like transparent oxide red on my Cintiq, it will still look like transparent oxide red on most screens.
I'm unlikely to print my digital work but I wouldn't rule it out.
I hear about how people use photoshop for colour correction. Is that related to this issue?

>> No.3759022

>>3759020
>okay, so if I pick a colour that looks like transparent oxide red on my Cintiq, it will still look like transparent oxide red on most screens.
No.

>> No.3759026

>>3759022
hmmm that doesn't sound good then

>> No.3759030

>>3759026
It doesn't matter what fucking monitor you're picking "transparent oxide red" on, it's a fucking roll of the dice as to what it will look like on any other goddamn monitor.
That's the bloody fucking point.

>> No.3759044

>>3759030
it'd have to look broadly the same though (i.e. some kind of deep red); it's not like it's gonna look like ultramarine blue on another screen

>> No.3759064

>>3759020
>I hear about how people use photoshop for colour correction.
If you embed the color profile of your work into the file- when you(or someone else) opens it, it'll try to force the same color settings into target monitor.

This works only if the monitor you make your work on is color calibrated accurately, or you are given the printer's color profile. What most people are unaware of is that cmyk doesn't cover the entirety of argb but closer to srgb, and will always be dull when converted from rgb. You should always do post processing if you convert from rgb to cmyk to color match.

Then there's also paper type/weight/material/inkjet or laser printing/pantone matching that'll mess the colors further. A whole can of worms. Have fun.

>> No.3759083

I've been painting on a Surface Pro 4, which is apparently >90% sRGB, not sure about NTSC. Would that be more accurate than this Cintiq?

>> No.3759114

>>3759083
What I do and is get the printers to print out a test card. Similar to what you see on tv with red green blue bars etc. That way your screen is calibrated to your print shop and is the most accurate you can get.

When you say >90% you are describing is the "range" of colors and not really accuracy as accuracy will really depend on how you calibrate.

90% of 16,777,216 colors is still 15,099,495 colors while cmyk is about 3 million colors.
How often have you picked up a fashion magazine and said, wow there isn't a large enough range of colors available?

You can buy the most expensive monitor, at the end of the day it all depends on how it's being viewed on the other side and its best not to fret about it too much.

>> No.3759568

>>3758465
the 16 pro is 4k
i would want the 20" one to be 4k as well
>>3759083
the non-pro cintiq 16 is 100% srgb if i'm not mistaken

>> No.3759625
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3759625

>>3757750
T. Wacom shill

>> No.3759635

>>3757996
>>3758007
It kind of makes sense if you consider the populations of each region. The real surprise is how Germany is so much higher than Japan.

>> No.3759655
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3759655

I'm thinking about saving up for some of these. I could really use a pen display because even after a year of trying I'm still not comfortable doing digital art with the divide from where I'm looking to where I'm drawing.

On twitter I've seen some mixed reactions. Some say that a 12 inch ipad pro would be a better investment.

I already have pirated a photoshop cc and Sai.

>> No.3759720

>>3757692
we aren't wacom's customer service. Fuck off.

>> No.3759756

>>3759625
Different anon. I've bought 2 huion tablets and refunded twice. They just feel lower quality than Wacom. I would rather just spend the money once and buy something I'll stick with.

>> No.3759763

My problem with chinese ripoffs is that it's impossible to find replacement nibs. And without them the tablet is useless.

Even finding wacom nibs in my country is tricky and it's fucking wacom. With other brans you're fucked.

>> No.3759769

>>3757533
>>3757584
>>3757590

>Chinese
>The Chinese

Gook, the name your looking for is gook.

I fucking hate you newfaqs

>> No.3759810

>>3759655
What tweets are you referring to? I’m seriously considering this Cintiq so want to be sure it’s gud

>> No.3759881

If it’s not bonded glass, does that mean it’d wear out quicker?

Mobiletechreview says parallax is still very good

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3759888

>>3759769
The fuck is a newfaq?

>> No.3759958

>no touch
>1080p
>3 in 1 cable so no desk clutter solution
>still twice the cost of the competition
>wacom drivers
Too little too late

>> No.3760023

>>3759958
>no touch
That could be a dealbreaker, since I’m used to Surface Pro and appreciate touch
>1080p
I don’t necessarily see this as a huge problem, I think we’ve become spoiled with resolution. It’s 16” ffs, how much difference would 1440/4K really make?
>3 in 1 cable so no desk clutter solution
I’m pretty ignorant on this point; does the Pro have a better solution?
>still twice the cost of the competition
The chink 22” models are the same price with an inferior drawing experience, so I think this point is an exaggeration
>wacom drivers
Can’t comment; again, is the Pro any better in this regard? Are chink models any better? How hard is it to get working with windows 10 and clip studio/ photoshop?

>> No.3760053

>>3757909
Apparently it will also have the better parallax the Pro models have.
Which is a huge upgrade compared to the 22.
Is it worth losing 8 inches. That's debatable.

>> No.3760062

>>3760053
Parallax is supposed to be slightly worse than the pro but still very good

>>3757909
Why don’t you like the 22HD? I was considering buying one used for cheap

>> No.3760071

>>3760053
Also it’s a 6 inch difference, not 8

>> No.3760073

>>3759655
2nd gen iPad Pro 12.9 is better software wise only if your windows computer to support cintiq has low specs. Otherwise they should be the same, but the IPad Pro has much better specs than this cintiq. 120hz display, dci-p3 color calibrated display and a much sharper screen. If you’re on a mac the iPad Pro is better because you can use Astropad and make it a cintiq.

>> No.3760120

>>3759769
Gooks are vietnamese or koreans you tard.

>> No.3760121

>>3758109
Are you retarded? And N-trig is israeli, just owned by Microsoft.

>> No.3760127

>>3757936
Nah, the iPad and Windows convertibles, which ironically use Wacom AES pretty frequently. Wacom's old model isn't working anymore, Apple forced laptop manufacturer's hand and in turn wacom.

>> No.3760179

>>3759810
https://twitter.com/Hannah_illo/status/1083069945049567232

These are some of the reactions I've seen through some twitter artists I follow.
Made me actually look up ipad stuff and I'm surprised at how far it's come.

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3760206

>>3760179
yeah but also consider

>using apple products

>> No.3760856

>>3760127
Wacom AES hasn't had support in years. The calibration issues were never fixed and Microsoft switched to n-trig after surface pro 2. Most companies followed suit. N-trig makes up the accuracy but loses out in pen responsiveness.

>> No.3760883

I had an iPad pro, but I returned it after a week because it would make this high pitched squeak noise whenever you tried to draw with the apple pencil

I went to the apple store to see what was wrong and they were like, "lol what's the problem, it's just a little squeak"

It sounded like you were cleaning glass windows or something, it was awful

>> No.3760909

>>3760883
was worried about that with my non pro before i tried it, glad it didnt happen on mine that shit sucks

>> No.3760959

>>3760909
how's the nonpro? i heard there's a tiny bit of parallax.

>> No.3760971

>>3760959
Yeah there is, but It's worth it to me for a mobile drawing tablet. I take it to work and doodle during lunch, I never put off drawing anymore like I did when I had to hook my wired stuff to the pc. CSP on the ipad is great. So far haven't run into any memory issues or the like. I got everything used and the total cost for the ipad + pencil was somewhere around $270 so I can't complain. More than worth it.

Only thing I don't like is the reflective screen. Hasn't been an issue outdoors since I don't sit in direct sunlight (only in the shade/under awnings/etc). I always preferred drawing in the dark with digital so I only recently noticed the reflective annoyance of my bedroom's lightbulb recently, but I like to draw flat and not on a stand so maybe it's not so bad for others. My galaxy s2 is a better overall tablet by far but the ipad is probably the best thing I've ever drawn on in my life so far, never tried a cintiq.

>> No.3760987

>>3760971
i'm considering a refurbished 10.5" pro or the 2018 nonpro hmm. do you still have a workstation tablet or has the ipad replaced that completely?

>> No.3761010

>>3760987
I still have my pc setup but I haven't touched it since I got the ipad. I have yet to think of a good enough reason to use it over the ipad.

>> No.3761307

>>3757530
Give me 24-27" for 800$ of fuck off wajews.

>> No.3761310

>>3757590
>Need to research the differences.

No pen tilt, no rotation and 2048 pressure levels, calling it right now.

>> No.3761332

I remember I bought a cintiq years ago and the image quality was so shit. I returned it within days because the image quality was so blurry and shitty compared to my monitor.

Does it still look worse than a monitor or have they fixed this by now?

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3761352

>>3757530
>not buying a thinkpad

>> No.3761402

>”16” is too small for a tablet”
>”buy a 10.5” iPad instead!”
Explain this

>> No.3762224

>>3761402
Ipad isn't attached to your desktop.

>> No.3762474

>>3761402
Some people just done do be retarded.

>> No.3762832

>>3760883
>returned it after a week because it would make this high pitched squeak noise
I had the same issue for the first couple minutes of use - All you need is a little finger oils on the screen and it fixes itself. Literally just smear your palms on it once and it stops squeaking.

>> No.3764261

I've seen responses to this and some artists are saying they make their professional illustrations on the ipad pro and they're blatantly lying, that thing is good for quick sketches and nothing else
Wacom sucks and I'm glad chinks are improving but god how can you be so much of an Apple shill

>> No.3764284

>>3764261
I bet you believe Aaron Blaise shills on this board too :)

>> No.3764293

>>3764261
Wew, where’d that come from. You a wacom/surface shill? There’s literally no reason they could not. There’s procreate, csp, and various other programs. Even if they transfer it to pc for light editing if it’s for some reason necessary, it’s still mostly made on the ipad. You can go to procreate’s site to see their gallery you can upload to through the app itself iirc, and see the high level of art being produced. It’s enough for commissions or small professional gigs at the very least. And I’d have no trouble believing this art could work in the “real industry” even if there’s not a lot of space marines or wizards.

>> No.3764296

>>3764293
Almost forgot the link
Make sure to check out both featured and popular, a lot of good styles that are more than just sketches
https://procreate.art/showcase

>> No.3765427

>>3762224
right, but if you're at your workstation, pumping out serious work, wont the ipad size still feel small? Would you bother mounting it on an ergotron arm?

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3765944

>>3757530
>$649

I wish.

>> No.3765950

>>3765944
Oh nice, it's £599 for me :)

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3765952

>>3765944
>verkkokauppa.com

>> No.3765955

>>3765950
>£599
thats 680$

>> No.3765964

>>3757717
you do realize that color gamut doesnt matter as long as youre a photographer right?

>> No.3766083

>>3765964
Accurate colors are nice and it's good to know what you're buying. I didn't want anyone to blindly splurge on it and not realize it's not the same as the other ones.

>> No.3766463

>>3760121
>N-trig is israeli,

Wait what.

How can they make advanced pen technology but produce no decent art industry.

fuck.

>> No.3766511

>>3766463
Because digital art was relatively small and controlled by wacom. Everyone else was making money from digital signage devices

>> No.3766514

>>3760856
AES 2.0 literally launched last year, talking about Surface Pro 2 baka. And everyone I've seen says n-trig is the worst by far, even with new devices like the SP6

>> No.3766515

I got an oled tablet laptop and it burns my eyes wayyyyy less

also yeah lugging around an entire computer just to use the cintiq isn't always ideal. I love being able to whip this thing out in public and the battery is fine (Lenovo yoga x series). But fuck it was expensive

However it comes w 5 year warranty.

The pen is super uncomfortable but I just put one of those squishy things on it. Comes with other nibs too, and no eraser or multi button, but I think it's better this way because the laptop itself is just so small and good on the eyes

and being able to switch inbetween Linux and windows is nice too (sometimes I just wanna use krita and not deal with wangdows bs)


Ahh, the last 10+ years of tablet threads and always fucking cintiq on frontpage lmao

>> No.3766624

>>3766515
>Ahh, the last 10+ years of tablet threads and always fucking cintiq on frontpage lmao
That's cause wacom is still the best.

>ipad pro
>limited power, no hover preview, lol apple ecosystem, and lol 10"

>chink
>lol squiggly diagonals how is that acceptable, lol what drivers why you need drivers, please wait for the next hardware version after which we'll drop support for the version you bought btw only 30 day warranty and fuk u if you want to return anything

>laptops and convertibles
>no pressure curve editor, squigglies everywhere, lol battery, shitty uncomfortable pens, list goes on

>> No.3766658

>>3766624
> No hover
Only an issue if you're using it as an intuos for some reason. You don't need hover on paper so it's fine if you're drawing directly on the screen.

>> No.3766680

>>3757530
Debating whether to sell my 13HD and put the money towards getting the 16, but I'd like to keep the 13HD simply because it looks like it's going to be discontinued. Decisions decisions

>> No.3767213

>>3766658
It's an issue if you're using thick brushes. You won't know how thick the stroke is gonna be until after you've drawn it. Even worse when using a thick eraser since you might erase more than you want, leading to unnecessary undos.

>> No.3767370

>>3767213
Hmm I suppose that's true. Though if you were using a real brush you wouldn't know how thick it'd paint until you test out pressure variance with it either. I made that mistake as a kid, not realizing it'd splay so hard as I went to outline something.
So while it's a slight annoyance at least there's undo

>> No.3767983

>>3767213
You can preview the brush size as the cursor in Photoshop, instead of a crosshair or standard sized preview. You change it in Preferences.

>> No.3768118

soooo, is it worth it for a first time display tablet?

>> No.3768260
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>>3768118
no. get the xp-pen artist 12 instead

>> No.3768494

I've got mine after messing around with several screen tablets. Pretty happy with it. No issues was avlw to do my daily practice eith no issues. I automatically feel just as comfertable on it compared to my inuotos.

Obly issue i've found with it and the same eith every other screen tablet is that the colours dont compare to my £250 asus mo itor, forgot wgat its called but its a common one many streamers use.

>> No.3768664

>>3759763
you don't have to change nibs with other tablets since other brands don't try to jew you off by integrating a rough surface on every product.

>> No.3768983

>>3768260
lol that pen requires batteries unlike the wacom pen

>> No.3769156

>>3768983
no it doesn't, wacom shill. You beloved jap brand lost its battery-less pens patent years ago.

>> No.3769246

>>3768260
no pen tilt no buy