Time investment for drawing

[Anonymous No.3673596]

How long do you take for a finished piece?
When do you feel like the time it takes isn't proportionate to the result you get?
Currently doing some Bargue practices and while I get it that it's there to train your eye and precision the whole thing still feels like a waste of time.

Also what's /ic/'s opinion on pic related?

[Anonymous No.3673600]

I have never made a finished piece

[Anonymous No.3673601]

>>3673596
couple of months usually, depending on whether or not i need to wait for drying in between layers

[Anonymous No.3673615]

>>3673596
I think you can see that for yourself, between 1h and 10h, the differences are really subtle, extra smaller details, extra background definition. If you are going for a killer portfolio piece probably do the 10h one but if you are learning, you should stop with 1h and use the rest of the time to do new things, or more pieces.

[Anonymous No.3673671]

>>3673596
1 Hour Preferably.

[Anonymous No.3674038]

ZHC makes good art but he comes off as a discount David Finch. Linework + bathe everything in rendering and add hatches. It's fine for comic covers but seems too stiff and statuesque for an action comic.

[Anonymous No.3674046]

>>3673596
>How long do you take for a finished piece?
Way too long. How someone could do something like in the OP pic in merely an hour is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.3674053]

>>3674046
I feel the same way but then I recall when I started drawing, to do some full body character from imagination, could take me 3-4 hours, just line drawing and it would look all wrong in many places. Now, I can do that in 30 min and with better results.
So you practice, you get better and faster, so there's hope in that.
I certainly can't do what OP has posted though, not in that time or quality.

[Anonymous No.3674055]

my god this guy's face looks exactly like his drawings and social media behaviour

[Anonymous No.3674067]

>>3673596
every time i see one of these threads
>im working alot but seeing no results
>i feel like im getting nowhere
>are all these studies a waste of time?
im going to post this graph.

what youre feeling is natural. what separates the gmis from the ngmis are those who push through despite this

[Anonymous No.3674075]

>>3674067
what about this graph?

[Anonymous No.3674089]

>>3673596
Man I WISH I could draw all that in 1 hour.
Holy shit I am SO slow! Especially because I dont usually use references.

[Anonymous No.3674103]

>>3674067
Valley of disappointment?
I call it "home".

[Anonymous No.3674142]

>that 10 to 1 hr difference
wew, now that's some diminishing returns
why waste 10 hours of your life penciling capeshit when 1 hour is enough

[Anonymous No.3674159]

>>3674067
The 'issue' - it's more of an annoyance honestly - I have is the more I continue on a drawing the less progress happens proportional to the time is takes(Block-in>Light and Shadow shapes>Core Shadows>Shadow Transitions and Edges) which is basically the opposite of what the graph says unless I misunderstand what it says.

[Anonymous No.3674177]

>>3674075
This graph gives me hope

[Anonymous No.3674192]

He has has such a punchable face

[Anonymous No.3674203]

>>3673596
I haven't really done any "pieces" yet as I'm still just grinding the fundies while doing Just Draw so I try and crank out about 10 studies per day each one taking around 20mins.

[Anonymous No.3674240]

>>3674177
thats because you are in the low. when you are in the high, it will give you despair

[Anonymous No.3674269]

My Doctrine is to shit out as many drawings as you can while maintaining a quality your comfortable with. Doing one 10h Drawing every week wont get you anywhere in the beginning. If you wnat to learn anatomy for example, its better to draw 10 5 Min drawings than 1 fifty minute drawing. In my opinion its all about the mileage.

[Anonymous No.3674297]

>>3674240
You are right

[Anonymous No.3674616]

>>3673600
t. Nosebro

[Anonymous No.3674641]

>>3673596
I can't stand his videos. That DUDE SKETCHBOOK PRANK LMAO one actually made me angry

[Anonymous No.3674644]

>>3674641
I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this fuck. He's the Twitter clickbait of artists.

[Anonymous No.3674645]

>>3674641
>DUDE SKETCHBOOK PRANK LMAO
care to share details on what this is? from your comment alone it seems like finding and watching the video isn't in my best interests

[Anonymous No.3674684]

>>3674240
This too shall pass.

[Anonymous No.3674733]

>>3674641
Did he whack someone over the head with a sketchbook or something?

[Anonymous No.3674752]

>>3673596
technically competent, but that modification of Venom to make him overly sharp and spiky when the symbiote is essentially normally soft, slimy and gooey just annoys me.

[Anonymous No.3674781]

>>3674067
You got the book too?

[Anonymous No.3674829]

>>3673596
I don't know why, but this guy makes me angry. He is pretty good at drawing, but his personality makes me cringe. And how can he have more than 400k followers on instagram? Most comic pros have less followers than him. He is a nobody, his style is generic, just a second rate David Finch.

[Anonymous No.3674842]

>>3674067
so, this says you actually break your own expectations at some point? sounds a bit over the top. but i guess why not believe that. cant hurt.

[Anonymous No.3674852]

>>3673600
>>3674616
I have never made a finished piece either, but I have only been drawing for a few years..

[Anonymous No.3674871]

>>3674842
>>3674067

>this says you actually break your own expectations at some point? sounds a bit over the top.

Because it kinda is, at least the way that graph presents it (you constantly surpass your expectations after a certain point). The way it's happened with me is much closer >>3674075. You do a great piece, as good as or better than you expected, almost seems to come out of nowhere. Then days, weeks later you're back to feeling somewhat incompetent. Maybe you study during that time maybe not, but if you genuinely like drawing and will weather the lows no matter what, you probably will come out of it better--eventually.

Even famous pros have their doubts. In this video Katsuya Terada mirrors some feelings I've had lately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPnQY_Y3ndA.. You're constantly chasing that 10/10 drawing, but of course it's futile, you're never going to be 110% satisfied let alone 100%, you're always going to see the flaws, what you could have done better. Terada thought he would be better by this point in his life, but says he's still got 50 years left, he'll draw twice as much. Kim Jung Gi denies being a master, places Terada and Toriyama on a pedestal, is satisfied but never impressed by his drawings. It's natural to be less enthused or even disappointed with your own work, what I think is important is to learn to try to be satisfied with it in general (you won't always be) or drawing's going to be miserable.

[Anonymous No.3674884]

>>3674641
He isn't even that good. He is a one trick pony where he adds lots and lots of details on a easy pose he memorized. Sure he is young, but i can't stand the faggot.

[Anonymous No.3674886]

>>3674871
I once read about a story about some Japanese dude who said: At the age of 70 i was still terrible, when i turned 80 i started getting better, at 90 i started becoming good at the age of 100 i think i'm good and when i turn 110 i am actually great.

[Anonymous No.3674891]

>>3674645
>>3674733
The plot is he leaves his room after doing some video drawing in his sketchbook, and his friend comes in and sees it abandoned, and records himself doing shitty drawings over the top of what's there. Main guy then comes back, acts surprised the cam is on, then is completely unconvincing and laughing loudly and all OMG you guys, what IS THIS wowww, friend what did you dooo xD

I know most prank vids are fake and maybe it's an ironic parody of something but fuck me they just rub me all the wrong way. I don't get it, do people see rossdraws and jazzas channels and decide that the key to success is to triple down on the fake clickbaity enthusiasm? I can't stand it.

[Anonymous No.3674901]

>>3674067
>>3674075

>when its so hard to cope with your feelings you need to make self-help graphs/infographics
The absolute state of millenials

[Anonymous No.3675276]

>>3674829
This. He's a discount David Finch with even more flaws than finch has. It seems like he started running before he could walk and now he's stuck with a stiff, uninspired style that will take lots of work to undo.

[Anonymous No.3675339]

>>3674886
I think that's Hokusai. Terada mentions him in the video and I think another artist does on the same channel.

[Anonymous No.3675340]

>>3674641
>>3674645
>>3674733
>>3674891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZnYxQLpS4E

[Anonymous No.3675342]

>>3675340
Does this guy eat ass or something?

[Anonymous No.3675343]

>>3675340
I really hope there aren't any kids in his audience actually trying this out to their artist friends

[Anonymous No.3675348]

>>3675343
Oh yeah, haha, can you imagine that, haha, some kid is gonna get his ass kicked, haha, don't mess with an artist's sketch book bro, haha.

[Anonymous No.3675359]

>>3675342
Yeah that’s full blown hsv his gf is a hoe lmao

[Anonymous No.3675390]

>>3675340
pretty sad

[Anonymous No.3675400]

>>3674142
Surprised no one else said this. I don't hate superhero stuff and it looks stupidly awesome, but there's little return for the time invested. At 1 hour it was already fine to publish it. 9 extra hours to make his arm thicker isn't worth it and the background isn't that important, on those 9 hours the dude could have made at least other 5 great quality panels with that skill.

Though, from the 10 secs drawing, I get the feeling he was copying it from somewhere. He clearly already had a CLEAR picture of what he wanted to do, with venom the moon and the buildings well located. I don't buy it being from memory, he probably did a sketch beforehand or used his visual library to a cheating degree.

[Anonymous No.3675436]

>>3675400
Especially with the comic style that ZHC uses, with half the shit is just covered in shadow rendering anyways, you just don't need 10 hours.

[Anonymous No.3676921]

>>3674901
atleast were not old you fucking boomer

[Anonymous No.3676948]

>>3675400
I think you are misunderstanding the challenge, you dont start with the 10 seconds and get progressively more time. You do the longest amount of time first and continually reduce it. He is copying - his own drawing.

[Anonymous No.3676952]

>>3675400
Oh and
>used his visual library to a cheating degree
Yes a person is not allowed to reference their own memories or it's cheating

The only way to be a true artist is to be born blind. If you draw something you have looked at it's basically tracing.

[Anonymous No.3676956]

>>3676948
Now that makes sense, thanks. A challenge like this I'd like to do, he probably learned then that 1 hour is enough to do a good picture. If I was able to sum up my 10 hours drawing almost perfectly in a 1 hour drawing, I'd probably learn which details were actually unneeded and other shortcuts and in turn that'd allow me to pump out more drawings and progress faster.

I don't know if I explained it but it's a good challenge to learn what's truly essential, I'll try it some other day.

[Anonymous No.3676978]

>>3674269
doesnt anyone else just have a cheap thick sketch book where they just grind out faces and figures?

[Anonymous No.3676982]

>>3676978
i do, not cheap though, because i'm trying to get rid of that thing where you feel like you're ruining quality paper by drawing on it.

i have a winsor & newton thick paper sketchbook it's really nice if anyone is considering one, takes watercolor and ink like a champ, pencil looks great on it too.

and actually not that expensive about $15 us

[Anonymous No.3677513]

>>3674842
Well, Jeff Watts mentioned on the side that drawings look better than his imagination in some cases, so there's something to it.

[Anonymous No.3678244]

10+ hours usually to draw shitty cel-shaded anime stuff from imagination, kill me

[Anonymous No.3678252]

>>3678244
post your work

[Anonymous No.3678704]

>>3678252
no

[Anonymous No.3678736]

>>3678704
NGMI

[Anonymous No.3678754]

>>3678736
probably not