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What do you think, /ic/?

>> No.3628221

>>3628216
Grug symbol draws, read totem.

>> No.3628223

Gosh. That’s really kind of mindblowing.

>> No.3628290

>>3628221
kek

>> No.3628357

needs loomis

>> No.3628362

>>3628216
it's good, it looks like a bear. i feel soothed.

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3628370

>>3628216
You can shade your bear as well as you want, a polished turd is still a turd, construction is shit.
ngmi

>> No.3628382

tfw cherrypicker

>> No.3628389

>>3628216
Not bad considering it was made by someone with the collective brain power of a toddler thousands of yrs go.

>> No.3628395

>>3628370
cant tell if meme or serious. if serious, pls work harder

>> No.3628405

>>3628389

They had the same intelligence as modern humans.

>> No.3628406

>Tfw Ugg made it and you didn't
Hold me bros

>> No.3628408

>>3628405
dubious

>> No.3628410

>>3628408
They we're wrecked on shrooms, it's about the same as any other artist.

>> No.3628414

>>3628389
What? They were probably smarter than you, bro, because they didn't have every action and activity essentially automated nor a device of endless instant gratification in front of them for their entire lives. They would've actually had to be competent and active. That said, your mentalities would be completely incommensurable as they'd see the world in terms of mythos. Indeed, you see a boring bear or some other creature, whereas they'd see a million different implications and associations of their mythos and experiences -- an extremely rich image. Comparatively, you are dull and packaged in your mental ecology and culture.

>> No.3628418

>>3628405
our intelligence still had to slowly develop over the ages..Uggo was a genius for his time but by modern standards he still only had the capacity of a modern 8 year old at best.All that brainpower didnt just magically appear with the first homo sapien.

>> No.3628419

>>3628405
if you grab the babies and raise them the modern way then maybe

>> No.3628423

>>3628370
that is the quintessential /ic/ post

>> No.3628424

>>3628216
That's shows a remarkable amount of detail and perspective knowledge that you wouldn't really expect from a cave drawing, what's odd to me though is why didn't the artist draw an eye? Not even a dot or something.

>> No.3628426

>>3628216
gmi bro, don't forget to grind loomis tho, even if you want to become a furry

>> No.3628438

>>3628370
Post your cave wall.

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3628470

>>3628424
otaku caveman depicting an evil bear

>> No.3628472

>>3628370
>not using the box meme

>> No.3628476

>>3628370

Dun'Grog-Ku'Grog wall-say. ug be good, ug post cave-wall-bear

>> No.3628480

>>3628408

>dubious

Not even remotely dubious. Humans at this time would have had brains 5 - 10% larger than ours, and likely had significantly better memory and visual processing.

I'm not going to cite for you, there's literally dozens of academic papers on this,

>> No.3628499

>>3628389
Er, the humans that existed 30,000 years ago already the same species as human as we are today - homo sapiens. You're thinking of homo neanderthalensis, the species that preceded us.

>> No.3628502

>>3628424
They probably did, but if it was painted in a different colour to what they used for the Red paint, it might be that it's just faded away over the last 30,000 years. I imagine that the painting looked very different when it was new.

>> No.3628533

>>3628438
lol

>> No.3628542

>>3628221
> read totem.
not gonna make it till next spring

>> No.3628548

>>3628418
He wasn't even close to the first human. The first anon was correct, and I don't know why this is so difficult for people in this thread to grasp.

>>3628424
It probably just wore off.

>>3628499
And he would still probably be wrong. There's evidence the Neanderthals even had rudimentary written language before we did.

>> No.3628555

>>3628548
>there's evidence the Neanderthals even had rudimentary written language before we did

Wow, really? That's incredible.
By chance I don't suppose you know any engaging anthropological books that cover The Stone Age through to the Bronze Age do you? I'm looking to brush up on my history.

>> No.3628557

>>3628424
it was his style

>> No.3628559

>>3628414
>They would've actually had to be competent and active
You need to go watch some animals be

>> No.3628560

>>3628216
Even cavemen can draw better gestures than /ic/

>> No.3628563

>>3628555
this cunt probably is not inside the topic and is such a brainlet to broaden its horizons, faggot ever heard of egyptian hieroglyphs what do you think those are pretty stickman?, fucking retard

>> No.3628657

>>3628480
brain size doesnt actually correlate directly to intelligence.

>> No.3628940

>>3628657
The brain size to body ratio does correlate with intelligence you retard. Stop regurgitating what you heard on TV.

>> No.3628965

>>3628418
Actually I think we getting dumber the more advanced we get.
>>3628499
Neanderthals didn't precede us. They were separate (close cousins) to the homo sapiens & lived at the same time as Humans until they died out about 40 000 years

>> No.3628978

>>3628560
IMF DYIGNGG

>> No.3628988

>>3628216
masterful strokes

>> No.3628992

>>3628657

It does in the same species, you buzzword zombie. The structure is the same, the volume is larger.

>> No.3629054

>>3628992
by that logic, Whales should be the most intelligent species on the planet.

>> No.3629056

>>3628940
You have spiders that can recognize themselves in a mirror and birds that use tools and solve puzzles with pea sized brains.

Shut the hell up you sperm goblin,

>> No.3629059

>>3629054
>It does in the same species
>The structure is the same
>mentions an whole different animal with different structure
neanderthal stop posting, this is an erectus board

>> No.3629097

>>3628370

this faggot is worse at drawing in the internet era than some caveman fuck 30000 years ago hahahaha

>> No.3629180
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3629180

>>3628216
I studied cave art for Art History at university, and it's actually really interesting, because the idea of converting the image of a live animal to a two-dimensional picture on a cave wall requires a massive cognitive leap and a tremendous amount of abstract thinking that we take for granted today -- in fact, today almost anyone can be shown a picture of a bear, and if asked they do not answer "this is a picture of a bear" they answer "this is a bear" (provided it is not so poorly drawn as to be unrecogniseable.)

The first people the draw, or sculpt, anything in the image of anything else were revolutionaries who utterly changed the way we as human beings think. And I think that's fascinating.

>> No.3629192

>>3628216
This looks fake to me.
Too modernly stylized or something.

>> No.3629211

>>3629192
It's not fake, it's been carbon dated, but it is one of the better paintings to be found in the cave.

>> No.3629224

>>3628223
The whole collection in that cave is really fascinating. There's simplistic stuff like outlines of hands by blowing pigment over a hand held on the wall, but they, or one artist, they don't know for sure, definitely was discovering some fundamentals in there. The bear is the best one, but there are other animal paintings like that. They stand apart from cave art from other parts of the world, because of lot of that other stuff is very stylized and stick figures and such, these paintings are more.

It's fucking frustrating we'll never know anything more about them. They were experimenting in a lot of ways, using black charcoal and red pigment, they were carving the walls flatter to do the art, and on some figures they chipped away at the edges, for an almost bas relief effect.

Also, consider that we might only be seeing what's survived, there may have been more to them that just fell off as dust over the thousands of years it was buried.

>> No.3629225

>>3628418
He most likely didn't have much command of higher thought, but they were tool users, and they probably knew more about nature, plants, animals and weather than we could ever hope to. Their brains probably had the same potential we have - the brain hasn't changed that much between him and us, we just invented more elaborate language, and knowledge that we got really good at passing on to kids.

He couldn't read or write, but I damn sure can guarantee you Uggo was smart in ways that mattered that are literally impossible for a modern man.

>> No.3629229

>>3629180
And like I said, that cave is especially interesting because it's not the usual stick figures they usually find, the highly stylized human forms and animals.

I think that's the cave that had pictures of what they think are erupting volcanos. They were trying to recreate the world around them beyond "This is prey" "This is us hunting food". Major cognitive leap, like you said.

>> No.3629233

>>3629224
I was looking at the hand prints last night and for a few seconds I experienced a really strange feeling. A 30,000 year old print of a human, genetically identical to myself, but from a completely different world. He didn't know what it was that he was doing when he did it, but he did it, and now here we are looking back on it from the future. If we're lucky some of us will live to around 80 years, maybe more. But him, we don't even know his name, or what he looked like. His body will be soil and minerals now. But here he is, after 30,000 years. Still here. It's absolutely fucking mad.

I think the cruelest thing about being human is knowing that you'll die without ever knowing these things. Maybe if some of us are lucky we'll end up as handprints on a cave wall.

>> No.3629339

>>3629224
>They stand apart from cave art from other parts of the world, because of lot of that other stuff is very stylized and stick figures and such, these paintings are more.
so let me this straight
>hunter-gatherers, ''rebels'', problem solving cavemens were doing cool imaginary cave art while
>mundane repetitive task farm-boys were doing shitty symbol drawing
you might be onto something here anon

>> No.3629363

>>3629056
>mirror test
>brain size in correlation to body mass
nice shifting goal posts you imbecile

>> No.3629836

>>3628438
Fucking killing me

>> No.3630097

>>3628438
best post in this thread ahhahahaa

>> No.3631072

>>3628555
Not OP, but "Ancient history" by Susan m bauer. ~850 pages.

I asked this question on lit and his. That's what I got. They said to beware of some sort of revisionist old lady author who is critically acclaimed. I forget her name, but she says fringe shit like multiculturalism was common amongst the aristocrats when in fact it was common amongst the peasants at the time and the slaves perhaps. Something like that.

>> No.3631088

>>3628221
>>3628438

Good posts!