/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[namdash No.3542572]

Is art the hardest skill in the world?

[Anonymous No.3542580]

>>3542572
No. However, it is the hardest thing in the world to master a skill to perfection.

[Anonymous No.3542603]

>>3542572
fucking nah. it's basically just uppity ditch digging.

[Anonymous No.3542609]

>>3542572
If there's even a single person that can do it then it most likely isn't.

[Anonymous No.3542668]

That's an abstract form of skill. Your art might be perfect for others, but you will always be unhappy with it, you'll always look for something to improve, which is why so many give up, they can't handle the constant change in their perspective or how they perceive "good" art.

[Anonymous No.3542685]

no

[Anonymous No.3542710]

>>3542572
Already discussed to hell, yes it is.
You can't find another skill harder to master than this one.

[Anonymous No.3542711]

>>3542572
depends on the medium

[Anonymous No.3542715]

yes

[Anonymous No.3542921]

>>3542572
Its on the harder spectrum of available skillsets, but no, because while art ( as draughtsmanship) is an endless journey, it has already been "mastered" enough times to make it look nigh indistinguishable from real life, and before digital solutions were even available.

Its harder than music imho, but it doesnt beat mathematical excellence imo.

[Anonymous No.3542951]

Math is
Our brains don't do logic efficiently, which is why we've computers

[Anonymous No.3542952]

Nah. There is no hardest skill. Once you reach the upper tier of any discipline, the difficulty is only defined by how hard you're willing to push the boundaries of your field.

[Anonymous No.3542956]

Nope, business is. That's why CEOs get payed so much, if anyone could do it, they'd be making minimum wage

[Anonymous No.3542969]

>>3542956
That doesn't male sense bro, business men make money because they create capitol not because the job is hard? Not saying it isn't hard but you have a silly way of looking at economics.

[Anonymous No.3543016]

>>3542921
What skills are harder than art? Maybe being a world class athlete but at that point genetics come into play.

[Anonymous No.3543020]

>>3542956
How to git gud at business?

[Anonymous No.3543030]

>>3542572
i play chess at a pretty high level, as high a level as my art practice anyway and they're about the same in terms of difficulty, completely different skill sets, but trying to calculate a bunch of lines in chess is as difficult as trying to draw a bunch of lines in art, haw haw.

[Anonymous No.3543178]

>>3543016
I literally said it..

[Anonymous No.3543185]

therr are. a lot fof thig tog mdgr tinto but it ts not hard..

[Anonymous No.3543220]

>>3542956

>Profits are directly tied to effort.

This is what brainletts actually believe.

Nobody's ever gotten rich through dumb luck, eh?

[Anonymous No.3543227]

nah.
physical sports. Its hard and you only have a limited time of mastering it cuz you have a deadkline. when you hit your old age you're already a goner and wont be able to compete, unlike in art you can still pursue it and be competitive even if your 85

[Anonymous No.3543229]

The hardest skill in the world is browsing 4chan. It takes YEARS, HUNDREDS of hours to fully master the fundamentals, let alone the more advanced techniques. It's so complicated most people can't even recognize a masterwork post from a newbies. It's the most pinnacle form of communication and very cutting edge

[Anonymous No.3543239]

>>3542603
For you

[Anonymous No.3543240]

>>3543030
Chess is a solved game

[Anonymous No.3543256]

>>3543229
Obvious summerfag is obvious

[Anonymous No.3543291]

>>3543229
>only mastered 4chan
bruh...i've masted a dozen different imageboards in 3 different languagees. you haven't seen nothing until you been through years of constant memetic warfare consisting of JAV porn and post ironic anti racial racist inflammatory remarks with people who are more than likely funded by totalitarian governements who are trying to control the narrative of their youth.

[Anonymous No.3543302]

>>3542572
STEM major here: No, kys
(you should first define what you mean by "hard" and "skill" btw, otherwise this discussion can drag on indefinitely)

[Anonymous No.3543319]

>>3543302
look out guys its the stem major

he knows guys

[Anonymous No.3543329]

in terms of getting to a high level art is very difficult, if not the most of things. after that, most things are equally difficult because that's how knowledge works. diminishing returns.

better yet, define skill. set criteria for difficult. explain how you distinguish what are or aren't separate from one another. there are a lot of specialized areas in stem that are, on the face of it, extremely difficult to even comprehend what they are about, have incredible levels of knowledge dependency, and any contribution whatsoever gains you instant undeniable recognition as a genius.

[Anonymous No.3543364]

>>3543302
>memorizing stuff is hard
lol

[Anonymous No.3543366]

>Is art the hardest skill in the world?

No. Trying to talk about art is.

[Anonymous No.3543388]

No, it's being able to go to the moon.

[Anonymous No.3543415]

>>3543302
Found the engineer lol

[Anonymous No.3543451]

>>3542921
>hyperrealist xeroxing is the pinnacle of art
>it's harder to get a job as a mathematician than as an artist
>>3543302
>my phd is harder than art


art is hard because you just have to grind it out on your own, and it's unrewarding because the bar for entry for pro art is people that have 10+ years of drawing experience and nobody thinks you work hard because it's a talent
it's like if you started coding at 8 and have a gigantic github, that's the average artist

[Anonymous No.3545409]

>people saying spots
You don't even need to think to be amazing at sports. Just have the genetics and do the routine the trainers give you and that's it.

[Anonymous No.3545485]

>>3543451
>hyperrealist xeroxing is the pinnacle of art
On a technical basis, recreating something from memory as faithfully as possible is, yes. There are living people that have done so. I assume we are talking about a technical basis, I dont care about your "muh expressionism" because its an entirely subjective subject. You see an assortment of the artist's emotions on canvas, I see a red square, yadda yadda.

>it's harder to get a job as a mathematician than as an artist
It is. You need a thesis and several recorded formula discoveries on them. There's a reason they are paid more than almost any job.
>my phd is harder than art
It is.
>art is hard because you just have to grind it out on your own, and it's unrewarding because the bar for entry for pro art is people that have 10+ years of drawing experience and nobody thinks you work hard because it's a talent
>it's like if you started coding at 8 and have a gigantic github, that's the average artist

Agreed. If anything it proves art is not the hardest skill to master, there are so many artists in supply you can spit in any direction and find one begging for a job. On the other hand there is ALWAYS a shortage of STEMs. Its why its so easy to freelance as a programmer and it pays so well.

Lets face it, art is a field you work years for, to make a product consumed anywhere between a few seconds to a couple hours, and rarely recognized for it, and there's always a dozen artists bettee than you waiting to replace you.

[Anonymous No.3546261]

>>3542921
>>3542956

I agree with both of these. Running large organizations is probably the most complex thing a human can do since it utilizes all of our most recent adaptations most notably managing large networks, whereas drawing and painting while difficult, and many dimensions more complex than music does not come close to the complexity of running a business. Math is complex too but not as complex as running an international corporation. To be a good businessman you have to be good at mathematics and managing large networks, whereas to be a good mathematician you really only have to be good at mathematics and other people who are better at managing large networks can carry you.

[Anonymous No.3546695]

>>3542921
>its harder than music

Lol

[Anonymous No.3546705]

>>3542572
How thw hell do you even compare?

[Anonymous No.3546711]

>>3543227
Except physical sports barely need brain and knowledge.

[Anonymous No.3546716]

>>3546261
False comparison since you need 100x more math knowledge as a stem than as a pdg

[Anonymous No.3546743]

>>3546711
Imagine trying to master your craft with a tight deadline. At 18-30 y/o you should already achieve almost 70-80%mastery to compete with the creme of the crop that are already better than you. And when youre already past your expiration date you wont be able to compete anymore. Id say thats harder than art where you can pursue it all your life and still compete even if youre 80

[Anonymous No.3546756]

Not even close. It’s just uncompensated, which keeps people from sticking to it.

[Anonymous No.3546759]

>>3546756
What do you consider harder?

[Anonymous No.3546772]

>>3542572
How about the music?

[Anonymous No.3546780]

>>3546759
My dick

[Anonymous No.3546782]

>>3546780
Noice anon

[Anonymous No.3546783]

>>3546782
He walked right into it. I had to.

[Anonymous No.3546785]

>>3546780
#rekt

[Anonymous No.3546787]

>>3546759
Cooking, medical services, reporting, programming, architecture, pretty much every science.

[Anonymous No.3546888]

>>3545485
>there are so many artists in supply you can spit in any direction and find one begging for a job. On the other hand there is ALWAYS a shortage of STEMs.
I think a big part of that is that art is a lot more glamorous than programming. More people dream about being great artists than freelance programmers.
It's not that maths is hard, people are just not interested in it.

[Anonymous No.3546985]

>>3542921
>Its harder than music
I'm not a musician, but I think music would probably be harder since theres a limit on how much music can be made.

[Anonymous No.3547741]

>>3546787
having any sort of clear cut guideline would be too much of a crutch. Its immediately distinguishable whats good and whats bad in your work and how to fix it.
In painting everything is so intangible and subjective. Quality still rises and is praised but often times its more of an accident than an accomplishment, leaving path unclear for where to go next.

[Anonymous No.3547819]

>>3542572

I think learning about art is a bit harder than many physical/logical hobbies because the way for you to learn art is almost always vague and personal thing. You need to experiment a lot. So I would say it's hard in the sense how time consuming it is.