/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3456114]

Okay, so I recently brought a anime drawing course on udemy. the artist, who calmed that he was going to teach people how to draw "Real, Authentic anime and manga." and not look like "Fake anime"
I then saw this 5 minuets in the course.
Be honest, did I make a horrible decision.?

[Anonymous No.3456115]

My conolences

[Anonymous No.3456116]

you could have learned from online resources.

[Anonymous No.3456117]

You should learn to draw first then draw in anime style.
If you learn to draw anime you're going to be that "drawings look kinda ok at a certain angle" guy.

[Anonymous No.3456118]

>>3456114
Anon, please tell me it isn't this one:
udemy.com/manga-art-school-anime-and-manga-style-character-drawing

[Anonymous No.3456119]

>>3456114

Did you pay full price? Udemy sells a lot of courses with huge discounts. I was interested in that course as well, but not so sure anymore after seeing this image. I have had good experiances with other drawing courses on there though.

[Anonymous No.3456120]

There's so many styles in anime and manga, someone claiming they'll teach you have to draw real authentic anime/manga just shows they have no idea what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.3456121]

>>3456118
...yes

>>3456119
no I only got it for 14 aud.

[Anonymous No.3456122]

>>3456121

Not too bad then I guess, If you are unhappy with the course content let people know by placing a review on the site or sending the teacher a message.

[Anonymous No.3456123]

>>3456114
Congrats on wasting your money.
You could just go to >>>/ic/ and follow the sticky if you want to draw.

[Anonymous No.3456124]

>>3456118
Whats wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.3456125]

>>3456114
You are ridiculous levels of retarded.

[Anonymous No.3456126]

the vegeta rip off looks pretty fucking bad but the other ones are some what passable as mediocre fan art tier stuff

if you want to draw anime, just copy until you can do it without copying, anime faces are formulaic as fuck and at worst you can copy and just change minor aspects

heres a candy wife i drew a while back, faces are easiest, drawing a believable body is insanely hard depending on the pose

[Anonymous No.3456127]

>>3456114
You're several kinds of stupid.

[Anonymous No.3456128]

>>3456124
"How to draw anime" books and tutorials are a massive scam and always have been.

[Anonymous No.3456129]

>>3456114
>using a non-japanese resource
yikes

[Anonymous No.3456130]

https://www.udemy.com/user/54722fd1cda5b/

I have tried some of the artist's other courses and had a good experiance. I personally recomend his drawing fundmentals video and the complete character design course. Its better to learn how to draw first before drawing stylised things like anime or manga.

[Anonymous No.3456131]

>>3456124
I'm no expert, but these look amateurish as fuck. Any anon here could teach you better than that, for free. It's just not worth any single dollar.

[Anonymous No.3456132]

Post those faces. You know the ones.

[Anonymous No.3456133]

Just learn how to fucking draw, period. Once you know you can go ahead and try to emulate the anime/manga style

[Anonymous No.3456134]

You shouldn't be this stupid even if you're underaged.

[Anonymous No.3456135]

This looks just like my favorite anime!

[Anonymous No.3456136]

>>3456133
But doesn't that take about five years?

[Anonymous No.3456137]

>>3456136
not really, just take one class on figure drawing and you're halfway there

[Anonymous No.3456138]

>>3456131
A-are you offering, Anon-kun~

[Anonymous No.3456139]

>>3456136
>It takes x amount of time
No.

[Anonymous No.3456140]

>>3456135

[Anonymous No.3456141]

>learning to draw japanese cartoons from "Scott"
Really, lad

[Anonymous No.3456142]

>>3456114
I know this sounds crazy, but before you draw anime, try drawing real people instead. Once you get a good feel and handle on how to draw them, you can use that knowledge of proportions to better draw anime.

[Anonymous No.3456143]

>>3456140
>that hand

Oh shit.

[Anonymous No.3456144]

>>3456143
You're obviously not a manga superfan.

[Anonymous No.3456145]

>>3456114
you need Loomis

[Anonymous No.3456146]

>>3456138
N-no. But why are you trying to learn to draw anime?

[Anonymous No.3456147]

[Anonymous No.3456148]

>taking a course in how to draw
all the good ones learned by just drawing shit in their spare time then getting better and better y just drawing

[Anonymous No.3456149]

>>3456146
porn

[Anonymous No.3456150]

>>3456145
This.

[Anonymous No.3456151]

uh oh

[Anonymous No.3456152]

>>3456118
>さんが皆を始めましょう
What does it even mean?

[Anonymous No.3456153]

>>3456114
>udemy
Yes, it was a mistake, it's almost a scam site.

[Anonymous No.3456154]

[Anonymous No.3456155]

>>3456151
Step 1: go back

[Anonymous No.3456156]

>>3456144
>>3456140
it's better to just buy illustration guides and pose books from japan, they're much better

[Anonymous No.3456157]

>>3456152
I think it mean "Let's get sarted"

[Anonymous No.3456158]

[Anonymous No.3456159]

>>3456157
Fuck, I meant Started

[Anonymous No.3456160]

>>3456140
>>3456144
>>3456147
>>3456114
>people are selling this
The shamelessness of Western ""artists"" never ceases to amaze me. Then again there are actually retards like OP who buy it.

[Anonymous No.3456161]

>>3456149
What kind of porn? This is important.

[Anonymous No.3456162]

>>3456157
Then what does さんが皆 even mean?

[Anonymous No.3456163]

>>3456151
Not enough meme tabs. See me after class.

[Anonymous No.3456164]

>>3456161
Vanilla with tsunderes

[Anonymous No.3456165]

>>3456139
>about
You're not going to tell me you can learn to draw in a week, are you?

[Anonymous No.3456166]

>>3456163
But I tried really hard this time!

[Anonymous No.3456167]

>>3456164
>Vanilla
what a waste

[Anonymous No.3456168]

>>3456165
I think he means that it's different for everyone, and it doesn't need X amount of time, because it depends on things like how much do you practice, and where do you learn from.

[Anonymous No.3456169]

How do I learn to draw

[Anonymous No.3456170]

[Anonymous No.3456171]

>>3456114
It is a scam. Lurk /ic/ and study their recommended books on figure drawing. Then you can supplement this core knowledge with studying better manga artists. If you can't draw a basic realistic human figure, then you most likely can't draw appealing manga style.

[Anonymous No.3456172]

>>3456166
You didn't even have gay sex with hats on. Not to mention toolbars or programs running. There's no way that was your best effort.

[Anonymous No.3456173]

*endless shrieking*

[Anonymous No.3456174]

>>3456114
Nigga what the fuck are you doing

[Anonymous No.3456175]

>>3456164
>tsunderes
Dropped.

[Anonymous No.3456176]

>>3456164
That is not me.

[Anonymous No.3456177]

>>3456161
belly stuffing/inflation

[Anonymous No.3456178]

>>3456176
Not me, either.

[Anonymous No.3456179]

Why are /aic/ threads so comfy?

[Anonymous No.3456180]

>Not self teaching yourself
Other then bird wings and legs, I can do ok, better then >>3456173

[Anonymous No.3456181]

>>3456177
That is not me.

[Anonymous No.3456182]

>>3456114
>how to draw "Real, Authentic anime and manga." and not look like "Fake anime"

I guess even the people who make "how to draw anime" books >>3456135
>>3456140 have moved on to the digital age too, jesus christ anon what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.3456183]

>>3456114
What the fuck are you doing anon?

[Anonymous No.3456184]

>>3456114
Yes, yes you did.

[Anonymous No.3456185]

£5,000 a lesson
anyone?

[Anonymous No.3456186]

>>3456114
loomis
pirate keys to drawing/right side of the brain, perspective made easy, and anatomy books
practice drawing from life
all you need.

[Anonymous No.3456187]

How'd I do?

[Anonymous No.3456188]

>>3456151
>>3456173
christ on a cross, how can they get away with this in this day and age? You can literally google for better drawings in 2 seconds to tell that what they are "teaching" are fucking trash.

[Anonymous No.3456189]

OP
2x Drop out of gamedev course here and i tell you
You're better drawing yourself and learning online and not having someone teach you if their art style is bullshit
Find someone you want to copy an artstyle from then add your mix to it. Its always like that.
In an art course its better to draw and draw and draw
May i ask you if you have a diploma and a shit portfolio and the other guy has no diploma and a good portfolio who would you hire? Ofc the one with the experience. Not someone who can draw just boxes
Same with gamedev. Just make games. Diploma is useless.
Also
OP if you want to practice anatomy use this
>>>/t/826205
I dont quite remember who uses it. But probably it was the prison school mangaka.
also mods dont delete the thread. /i/ is kind of slow. This guy clearly needs help and not shitposting.

[Anonymous No.3456190]

>>3456188
Most retards here can't even be assed to reverse image search a currently airing show, of course you'll get faggots who'll give money to these hacks.

[Anonymous No.3456191]

>>3456114
A fool and his money....

[Anonymous No.3456192]

You'll learn better if you search "tutorial" on pixiv and just learning from what you see. Plus it's free.

[Anonymous No.3456193]

>>3456135
FUCK

[Anonymous No.3456194]

>>3456190
Stupidity is one thing, but any retard should be able to tell just by looking at those screens and know what's up, this is so blatantly ugly and amateurish.

[Anonymous No.3456195]

>>3456161
gaijin getting groped by a hairy fat loli

[Anonymous No.3456196]

>>3456114
Cheeky OP, you better fill this thread with more screencaps so we can laugh at the retards who actually paid for this shit.

[Anonymous No.3456197]

>>3456189
Also again op here.
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4E09864D5D33CA0530787413662D8529D8752906&dn=Easy%20Paint%20Tool%20SAI%202&tr=http%3a%2f%2fbt.t-ru.org%2fann%3fmagnet
I suggest using SAI since its lightweight. PS is too overkill you're better using this.
Also how much did you spend OP?
Dont feel bad since i wasted 4k$ which is a lot in a third world country. Just always think to yourself that someday you can pay it back.
Dont burden yourself.

[Anonymous No.3456198]

>>3456194
Evidently they can't, considering people still pay for these courses.

[Anonymous No.3456199]

[Anonymous No.3456200]

>>3456197
>>3456189
OP HOLY FUCKING SHIT REPLY TO ME
I FUCKING SWEAR I USED MY AUTISM TO HELP YOU
IM GOING TO FUCKING SPAM FRANXX GUNPOSTING HERE

[Anonymous No.3456201]

>>3456200
Not him but thanks.

[Anonymous No.3456202]

>>3456197
>>3456200
are you trying to rival OP's incredible level of stupidity?

[Anonymous No.3456203]

>buying resources when they’re freely available online
>buying resources when you haven’t seen their work

[Anonymous No.3456204]

Op here, just got a refund.

[Anonymous No.3456205]

>>3456204
Good. Go to /ic/ and learn foundational shit

[Anonymous No.3456206]

[Anonymous No.3456207]

>>3456114
Hi op dont mind me bring /ic/ folks here.

[Anonymous No.3456208]

>>3456204
I don't believe you, if I make one of these courses I'd make them out to be non-refundable.

[Anonymous No.3456209]

>>3456202
fuck you man
>>3456204
Good holy shit

[Anonymous No.3456210]

>>3456207
I despise Hogarth and his shiny metal muscles!

[Anonymous No.3456211]

>>3456207
But I don't want to draw Baki.

[Anonymous No.3456212]

>>3456211
>I don't want to draw Baki.

[Anonymous No.3456213]

>>3456204

How did you get a refund?

[Anonymous No.3456214]

>>3456180
This is nothing to be smug about anon. Go learn how to draw too.

[Anonymous No.3456215]

Does /ic/ have "Xfag" memes and stuff too? Like I know even /3/ has Blendlet.

[Anonymous No.3456216]

>>3456114
>>3456207
>"drawfags" who can never even make it pass the /BEG/ level because they fell for the meme without understanding fundies
come down to /ic/ and join our hell if you wish to suffer for you shitty art OP.

[Anonymous No.3456217]

>>3456215
/ic/ has crabs

[Anonymous No.3456218]

>>3456114
You should first learn how to draw in general. And yeah, you've got scammed. Those people make a fortune on retards like you or on parents who couldn't care less what that "anime and manga" is looks like as long as their child doing something.

[Anonymous No.3456219]

>>3456207
>want to learn how to draw
>get irrationally mad every time I try to learn from a book

[Anonymous No.3456220]

>>3456204
I'm glad you got a refund but I'm still having a hard time understanding why you would pay for it when you have free resources all over the fucking place

[Anonymous No.3456221]

>>3456215
we do but our Xfags tend to stay in their specific generals. sp/ic/y memes get produces but since the board is slow, it sometime goes by unnoticed unless the meme has to do someone or something big like Proko kangaroo for ex.

[Anonymous No.3456222]

>>3456217
Vilppu is the love of my live and i don't appreciate you talking shit about him.

[Anonymous No.3456223]

>>3456220
To be fair, paying for a life drawing course at a college can be very helpful, especially if the instructor knows their shit and can point out your mistakes and give you advice in person.

[Anonymous No.3456224]

>>3456220
Like what?
Give links man

[Anonymous No.3456225]

>>3456223
>needing an instructor
>not just kidnapping a hobo, drugging him, and posing him to draw

[Anonymous No.3456226]

Take the Loomis pill or forever be DeviantArt

[Anonymous No.3456227]

>>3456219
not going to make it.

[Anonymous No.3456228]

>>3456222
I love him too
>>3456224
Its called the /ic/ sticky you nerd

[Anonymous No.3456229]

>>3456227
Based /ic/tan, it's been a while since i've seen him.

[Anonymous No.3456230]

Please post this on >>>/ic/

[Anonymous No.3456231]

>trying to learn mango by listening to westerners
shamefur dispray

[Anonymous No.3456232]

>>3456216
What is /BEG/

[Anonymous No.3456233]

>>3456216
explain pic please, the only proko-related meme I know is the time where he tried drawing a dog from imagination.

[Anonymous No.3456234]

>>3456231
The japs love Loomis too

[Anonymous No.3456235]

>>3456227
Honestly no, and thats fine. I'll just doodle until I get a better understanding of what I want out of drawing.
Everyone who I know who does draw just says draw more then anything. most of them didnt study books or anything.

[Anonymous No.3456236]

>>3456233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

[Anonymous No.3456237]

>>3456231
>Votoms series' animator teaching you how to draw beautiful women quickly

if only Votoms is known for its attractive female characters...

[Anonymous No.3456238]

>>3456234
can loomis teach me how to draw a tank?

[Anonymous No.3456239]

>>3456220
drawing "well" require personal discipline before instructor support. General College art teacher are entry level, they wont teach you anything if you have already know the basic. specialist art professor wont even accept you unless you have passed the adequate level of fundies and profile.

[Anonymous No.3456240]

>>3456236
fuck, I keep remembering it as a dog.

[Anonymous No.3456241]

>>3456236
I can't draw for shit and I could probably do a better job at that. Has he never seen a kangaroo in his life?

[Anonymous No.3456242]

>>3456227
What does making it even mean?

[Anonymous No.3456243]

>>3456238
Scott Robertson can

[Anonymous No.3456244]

>>3456243
how about ww2 qts?

[Anonymous No.3456246]

Fat fag here,
can anyone teach me how to draw best girl?

[Anonymous No.3456245]

>>3456217
why is Ajisaidenden on the list? I don't browse /ic/. Pls no bully my favorite artist.

[Anonymous No.3456247]

>>3456233>>3456241

it's the dillemma of proko where he trade art technique and threw his creative imagination out of the window. Which is why he struggled so much to draw a simple animal and comic. He got all of the fundies down but he doesnt spend enough time to let himself draw freely from imagination, it's literally /ic/ worst nightmare

[Anonymous No.3456248]

[Anonymous No.3456249]

>>3456244
See Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton
The japanese all study from the same artists as westerners, anon.

[Anonymous No.3456250]

>>3456238
You can learn to draw anything man made once you learn how to break shit down to its basic shapes.

[Anonymous No.3456251]

>>3456114
*snap*

[Anonymous No.3456252]

yamero

[Anonymous No.3456253]

>>3456240
>>3456241
The hilarious part is that Proko is legitimately technically skilled, he just can't draw without a reference.
http://www.stanprokopenko.com/available.php

[Anonymous No.3456254]

>>3456247
>>3456253
so basically he's a copy machine. that does sound like artist hell.

[Anonymous No.3456255]

>>3456235
>Everyone who I know who does draw just says draw more then anything.
it's better this way anon, dont ever get serious into drawing, and stay in your happy bubble.

[Anonymous No.3456256]

>anime drawing course
not only did you fuck up, you basically confirmed that you're too mentally impaired to ever really draw well in any significant capacity
you can't just build a house without a foundation. you can't just full sprint before you can crawl

[Anonymous No.3456257]

>>3456114
Learn actual drawing technique before you start drawing anime or you will forever be stuck in the deviantart zone.

[Anonymous No.3456258]

>>3456255
probably.
I wouldnt be any good at it anyways.

[Anonymous No.3456259]

>>3456253
I understand that much, his tutorials are legitimately really good at breaking down the other artists' methods and turning them into concise videos without losing too much of the original teachings.

>>3456254
Everybody has to start from being a copy machine anon, you just have to look for a balance and start branching out once you got your foundations down.

[Anonymous No.3456260]

I'm curious, why is Loomis a meme? I've been wanting to learn how to draw but people just either recommend Loomis or tell me that Loomis is a meme. What is wrong with Loomis?

[Anonymous No.3456261]

>>3456260
Nothing, he's a good starting point for beginners

[Anonymous No.3456262]

>>3456260
Loomis is a meme, but a good meme.

[Anonymous No.3456263]

>>3456260
give loomis a try, i'd say it's a good place to start for beginner but it's also something you shouldn't spend too long on. anyway go to ?BEG? after you finished it

[Anonymous No.3456264]

>>3456260
Nothing, it's good shit. My anime girls have never been better since I started using his books.

[Anonymous No.3456265]

>>3456260
the meme comes from /ic/ using it as a blanket criticism for any artistic mistake

[Anonymous No.3456266]

>>3456263
*/BEG/

[Anonymous No.3456267]

>>3456228
>>3456222
I subbed new master academy and watches some of his anatomy lesson, turns out he barely went over it. How is he good again? did yall learn his anatomy lesson from books or other videos outside of NMA?

[Anonymous No.3456268]

What's the best book if you want to draw clothes and outfits?

[Anonymous No.3456269]

>>3456268
Fashion magazines probably

[Anonymous No.3456270]

>>3456260
The meme isn't Loomis himself, but /ic/'s old tendency of recommending Loomis way too much. His books are good, but there are many other good resources and approaches that might suit you better.

[Anonymous No.3456271]

Anybody gonna post their shitty anime drawings or what?

[Anonymous No.3456272]

>>3456271
Apparently OP got a refund out of embarrassment so probably no.

[Anonymous No.3456273]

https://exhentai.org/?f_doujinshi=0&f_manga=1&f_artistcg=1&f_gamecg=1&f_western=0&f_non-h=1&f_imageset=0&f_cosplay=0&f_asianporn=0&f_misc=0&f_search=%E6%8F%8F%E3%81%8D%E6%96%B9&f_apply=Apply+Filter

[Anonymous No.3456274]

>>3456271
Alright

[Anonymous No.3456275]

>>3456271

[Anonymous No.3456276]

>>3456271
im from /ic/ and not a /a/ drawfag native but here you go

[Anonymous No.3456277]

>>3456271
Another

[Anonymous No.3456278]

>>3456276
are you using that dumb paintchainer software

[Anonymous No.3456279]

>>3456278
no, it's sai, I cranked the saturation up and used the burner brush tool.

[Anonymous No.3456280]

>>3456274
Sketchy but solid.
>>3456275
don't use the paint bucket tool
>>3456276
good technizue and lighting but anatomy needs work
>>3456277
10/10 can't find any flaws

[Anonymous No.3456281]

>>3456169
By drawing

[Anonymous No.3456282]

post more /ic/ memes

[Anonymous No.3456283]

>>3456271

[Anonymous No.3456284]

>>3456282

[Anonymous No.3456285]

>>3456280
Thanks bud

[Anonymous No.3456286]

>>3456185
Will bargain for 5£

[Anonymous No.3456287]

>>3456282
/ic/ birthday present for proko
https://imgur.com/a/5fxmQ

[Anonymous No.3456288]

>>3456271
Here's one of my OC
Just sketching of course, still amateur tier

[Anonymous No.3456289]

>>3456280
>dont use paint bucket tool
how do you even color then

[Anonymous No.3456290]

>>3456289
just get sai and a cheap tablet.

[Anonymous No.3456291]

>>3456290
T-Thats not what I meant

[Anonymous No.3456292]

>>3456288
Good dynamic pose but the face is a little busy and flat.
>>3456289
Just paint with a brush.
Using the bucket tool will always leave you with those white lines.

[Anonymous No.3456293]

>>3456291
with brushes

[Anonymous No.3456294]

>>3456292
but if you paint with the brush it feels like at times the color shifts in opacity if you go over the same spot

[Anonymous No.3456295]

>>3456207
I use 6.5 heads.

[Anonymous No.3456296]

>>3456280
>>3456292
Stop. What's the point of flatering them with these non criticisms? You are saying nothing except being vaguely positive.

This can only be detrimental for them. And from the way you are expressing yourself i doubt you have the skill to act as an authority.

[Anonymous No.3456297]

>>3456294
mess with the settings then

[Anonymous No.3456298]

>>3456289
Have the background colour (probably white) as your primary colour, and the colour you want to colour as your secondary. Then right click with the eraser.
>>3456271
Also posting, stay positive /a/ you can make it!

[Anonymous No.3456299]

>>3456297
Ah I see.
man this this thread is making me want to draw again
I wouldnt do to professionally but its a nice hobby

[Anonymous No.3456300]

>>3456126
thats really nice,
but yeah im basically trying what you are saying

[Anonymous No.3456301]

>>3456296
I'm giving one positive point and one negative point. It's not fun if you just tear someone down and completely useless if you just give empty compliments.

[Anonymous No.3456302]

>>3456300
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.3456303]

>>3456298
Cute but stay inside those lines mister. Also dat neck. Good face shape but try a 3/4 angle next time.

[Anonymous No.3456304]

>you can't learn drawing like a japanese

[Anonymous No.3456305]

>>3456126
Every time you draw construction lines but ignore them baby jesus cries.

[Anonymous No.3456306]

>>3456114
Just learn how to draw actual people and objects before you learn anime.

Learn rules before you break them

[Anonymous No.3456307]

https://exhentai.org/g/1089654/e839edfa50/
What did you guys think of Houtengeki's how-to?

[Anonymous No.3456308]

>>3456296
This is completely normal in /ic/ beg thread, some criticism can be vague at a time, but most dont people dont really give a shit about it anymore.

[Anonymous No.3456309]

>>3456307
It was alright

[Anonymous No.3456310]

>>3456114
Yes. Let me tell you the true. If you are taking a drawing course for anime especially, you are never going to make it. Anime is actually really simple, but useless you have the basics down it won't help. Work the hard shit out first then go for stylized animu shit.

[Anonymous No.3456311]

>>3456278
Painchainer is fun, anon.

[Anonymous No.3456312]

>>3456307
Good for poses ref if you like to draw hentai, thats pretty much it.

[Anonymous No.3456313]

>>3456311
it looks terrible.

[Anonymous No.3456314]

>>3456313
Dunno. It's fun to me.

[Anonymous No.3456315]

>>3456304
If seafags can make it, so can you anon

[Anonymous No.3456316]

>>3456249
Someone asked a H-doujinshi artist on learning art and he recommended shit like Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Loomis. /ic/ meanwhile is being shitposted by wojak fuckers thinking they don't need them to draw anime.

[Anonymous No.3456317]

>>3456232
/BEG/inner

[Anonymous No.3456318]

>>3456292
I told you I'm still a beginner, pls don't bully

[Anonymous No.3456319]

>>3456316
Because you read the sticky first before you post in /beg/. You dont go to /ic/ threads for art unless you're a mem spewing crab, you go to the generals that. /ic/ is not meant to be active on, if you want to find helpful post, you have dig through the shits.

[Anonymous No.3456320]

>>3456316
Because people keep making the same shitty thread wihout reading the sticky and beg on how to draw anime.

[Anonymous No.3456321]

>>3456114
Watch Yoshi's or Murata's stream if you actually want to see how it happens.

[Anonymous No.3456322]

>>3456318
he's trying to help you lad

>>3456321
Its so hard to actually catch them live

[Anonymous No.3456323]

>>3456322
Yoshikadu streams pretty frequently

[Anonymous No.3456324]

Someone teach me how to study properly

[Anonymous No.3456325]

>>3456321
Is that screenshot from the Tsugomo guy? what's he doing? link to video please.

[Anonymous No.3456326]

>>3456324
Stop fapping and everytime you want to draw instead.

[Anonymous No.3456327]

>>3456321
Fucking hell that arm, are mangaka suppose to be this ripped?

[Anonymous No.3456328]

>>3456325
What the fuck is that setup? Seems like a retarded /g/ tier setup that will be memed at if it was posted there.

[Anonymous No.3456329]

>>3456200
>franxx
>gunposting
>2x gamedev course drop out
>drooling retard
Why am I not surprised at all?

[Anonymous No.3456330]

>>3456325
>LINK ME PLZ
Its from his stream and he was reassembling his room and made soup.

[Anonymous No.3456331]

>>3456322
I-I know, anon, I'm not mad at him.
The critics make me realize how dull my art is...
That hurts.

[Anonymous No.3456332]

>>3456327
That's what happens when you draw for 14 hours a day

[Anonymous No.3456333]

>>3456326
I dont! I just cant get the lessons correct at first...or it does make sense

>>3456331
I believe in you, just keep doing it, it'll only get better as times goes on

[Anonymous No.3456334]

>>3456328
Don't question his autism desk powers. His quest will most likely aid him on a much healthier life than the average mangaka.

[Anonymous No.3456335]

>>3456271
something i did from the draw thread years ago.

[Anonymous No.3456336]

dude just draw whatever cute stuff you find

if you force yourself to draw anime you will only create abominations

[Anonymous No.3456337]

>>3456334
Yep. You need autism to be good at drawing.

[Anonymous No.3456338]

>>3456334
Why doesn't he show his face if they all look the same anyway

[Anonymous No.3456339]

>>3456325
>>3456334
holy shit that's awesome

[Anonymous No.3456340]

>>3456334
but wait there's more

[Anonymous No.3456341]

>>3456340

[Anonymous No.3456342]

>>3456340
now post his work

[Anonymous No.3456343]

>>3456324
Loomis plus drawabox . Com

[Anonymous No.3456344]

>>3456334
>>3456340
Did he make all these setups?

[Anonymous No.3456345]

>>3456114
You fucked up. Learn the fundamentals of drawing first before moving on to drawing manga. By drawing, I mean actual drawing. practising anatomy, shading, etc...

[Anonymous No.3456346]

How do I into copying to improve? I always feel bad when I copy, but supposedly you're meant to as a beginner, but then I feel like it turns into a scenario where I just become a copy machine.

[Anonymous No.3456347]

>>3456331
Don't let constructive criticism destroy you. Sometimes you need to hear the initial reaction others have to your work. Other people can point out things you can't see on your own.
>>3456318
These faces are hilarious.

[Anonymous No.3456348]

>>3456342
Its the Tsugumomo guy.
>>3456344
Yeah he keeps trying to find ways to help him have good posture and shit and be super efficient

[Anonymous No.3456349]

>>3456133
This.
>>3456136
Why would you want to learn something if you're not going to put effort into it?

[Anonymous No.3456350]

>>3456335
>years ago
I certainly hope you're still drawing.

[Anonymous No.3456351]

>>3456346
Just have fun. Eventually you'll start getting bored and draw by yourself. You'll go back and forth until you can draw by yourself.

[Anonymous No.3456352]

>>3456334
>>3456344
https://youtu.be/p-sEn6CNDZk

Yes and he was cool enough to document it. Obviously it is in japanese but the numbers and the visual aid are enough to comprehend it.

[Anonymous No.3456353]

>>3456343
Y-Yeah but how long does it usually take for this stuff to click. I dabbled in Loomis a bit but I feel like when I draw his cartoon characters I have a hard time learning anything from it.
Im drawing digitally also

>>3456348
Did he draw that? Wow thats amazing.

[Anonymous No.3456354]

>>3456114
You are the kind of people that have more money than common sense.

[Anonymous No.3456355]

>>3456346
Don't copy other people's drawings. Copy photographs of real people. I learned how to draw female anatomy from stealing my mom's Victoria's Secret magazines.

[Anonymous No.3456356]

>>3456353
It really is.

[Anonymous No.3456357]

>>3456114
kek
All you really need is loomis and maybe netter/

[Anonymous No.3456358]

>>3456114
What the fuck is this third world country formatting.

[Anonymous No.3456359]

>>3456114
There's this thing about artists called a portfolio. Check it out before deciding to pay services to any artist.

[Anonymous No.3456360]

>>3456353
if you want i managed to archive one of his streams its like 600mb i can upload it to mega, nice to skip through and see his process.

[Anonymous No.3456361]

>>3456355
he should draw actual people in real life as well.

[Anonymous No.3456362]

>>3456353
If you are done with loomis did yiu grasp his concept? If you need visual guide, watch proko beginner videos, he's a good starter despite the meme he get. Once you atleast know how the fundies work on these

[Anonymous No.3456363]

>>3456353
>how long until I'm a good artist
Not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.3456364]

>>3456360
That would be wonderful anon

[Anonymous No.3456365]

>>3456356
>str vs dex

[Anonymous No.3456366]

>>3456362
Alright, thank you anon. I just feel like a retard when I try to do any of the things I read about into practice and it always end up being, way harder then I imagined or I mess it up

[Anonymous No.3456367]

>>3456361
Well if you can take a figure drawing class or have someone pose for you that's a good step. I wouldn't suggest taking a figure drawing class for a complete beginner though, you'll just be overwhelmed and feel like everyone else is better than you.

[Anonymous No.3456368]

>>3456364
Alright it says its 11 mins to upload, it was about a 4 and a half hour stream.

[Anonymous No.3456369]

>>3456367
hell, just drawing people outdoors at a park or something is good for getting more natural gesture practice. but yeah, a live model class is definitely a good next step after you gain a bit of confidence.

[Anonymous No.3456370]

>>3456245
My god, I don't even know how many times I nutted to this doujin.

[Anonymous No.3456371]

>>3456366
You have to ask for feedback if you want to get good. Put out your own time to look for resources, drawing well is mostly self discipline. You wont get anywhere if you only think about when are you going to get better

[Anonymous No.3456372]

>>3456369
I have a hard time with gesture drawings. It's really hard for me to not focus on the details and I end up spending way longer than you're supposed to on each pose.

[Anonymous No.3456373]

>>3456307
Wish it was in english.

[Anonymous No.3456374]

>>3456371
Thats true.

[Anonymous No.3456375]

What if Po-Ju is my biggest influence? IS THERE HOPE FOR ME?

[Anonymous No.3456376]

>>3456372
Dont spend a long time on one sketch, if know you its bad, try to pin point it and fix it again in a new sketch. Again ask for feedback.

[Anonymous No.3456377]

>>3456376
*You know

[Anonymous No.3456378]

>>3456364
https://mega.nz/#F!oHB2hQbL!zxPrCW6l4bJOdjeoc4WTVQ boom hopefully you get something out of it

[Anonymous No.3456379]

>>3456114
Depends on how much you paid for it, really

[Anonymous No.3456380]

>>3456375
>trap faggottry
>getting caught up by fetishes before you learn the basics
No hope.

[Anonymous No.3456381]

>>3456293
>that part when the nose goes from funny smudges to realistic, lifelike nose
I watched this several times and I still can't believe it.

[Anonymous No.3456382]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nebu-kuro1

For those interested in seeing mangakas drawing just a reminder that even if you miss Murata live you just need to scroll down a bit and you can watch a recorded version of his latest streams.

[Anonymous No.3456383]

>>3456378
thank you very much

[Anonymous No.3456384]

>>3456114

[Anonymous No.3456385]

>>3456114
>weeaboo thought he was going to learn to draw authentic anime and manga from another weeaboo

[Anonymous No.3456386]

>been wanting to learn how to draw since like forever
>every time I decide that now is finally the time I realize that it will be at least a year before I can draw something that doesn't look like it was made by a grade schooler
Meh. Learning is such a pain, I'd rather just watch anime

[Anonymous No.3456387]

>>3456386

[Anonymous No.3456388]

>>3456333

[Anonymous No.3456389]

>>3456271
I only just got back into drawing a few months ago for the first time since I was like 7, since then I've either been keeping all my drawings to myself or I make some for /v/.
I've recently stopped doing anime drawings though.

[Anonymous No.3456390]

>>3456388

[Anonymous No.3456391]

>>3456373
there's plenty translated guides
https://exhentai.org/g/541372/e64278318e/
https://exhentai.org/uploader/zfates05

more general search
https://exhentai.org/?f_doujinshi=0&f_manga=0&f_artistcg=0&f_gamecg=0&f_western=0&f_non-h=0&f_imageset=0&f_cosplay=0&f_asianporn=0&f_misc=0&f_search=%22how+to%24%22+language%3Aeng&f_apply=Apply+Filter

[Anonymous No.3456392]

>>3456389
That art style is too western. And don't make a habit of hiding hands. The body anatomy is decent though.

[Anonymous No.3456393]

>>3456322
How? Murata pretty much streams all the time, and even if he isn´t live you can just watch old footage since its all archived

[Anonymous No.3456394]

>>3456117
>You should learn to draw first then draw in anime style.
Nope, that's literally a meme. If you do it that way, you'll never make it because animu/mango style is very different from classical western style and you'll get lots of bad habits from learning to draw western style.

>If you learn to draw anime you're going to be that "drawings look kinda ok at a certain angle" guy.
It just means he needs to practice more. Look at early Oh My Goddess, for example, it's barely fan art level.

[Anonymous No.3456395]

You can get better at anatomy and technical aspects of drawing but no books or courses will teach you creativity.

[Anonymous No.3456396]

>>3456305
lrn2manga art, they generally don't use construction lines or mannequins.

[Anonymous No.3456397]

Man, everytime a thread like this pops up, I wish I had gotten into drawing as a hobby as a kid.
But I can't, for the life of me, draw smooth lines. Like, every time I start drawing a face, my hand freezes up and I resort to chicken scratches and shit.
Ironically I was the best at engineering drawing from my class.

[Anonymous No.3456400]

LAME

[Anonymous No.3456401]

>>3456391
Woah nice, thanks!

[Anonymous No.3456403]

>>3456400
>>3456400
>>3456400
>>3456400
>>3456400
>>3456400

[Anonymous No.3456404]

>>3456114
>udemy

[Anonymous No.3456417]

>>3456318
You learned western style first. That's why your drawings aren't dynamic.

[Anonymous No.3456428]

>>3456386
A year from now you could have gotten over that hump, but instead that time will pass anyway and you'll just say the same thing again. In fact, don't learn any new skill because it's too much work to get over the laughably amateur stage. Just consume TV and video games and take selfies with your mouth wide open and tell us how fulfilled your life is now that you've obtained the latest trinket from Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.3456439]

>>3456417
What is it that Asians learn that puts them so far ahead of most Western artists?

[Anonymous No.3456440]

>>3456114
Didn't you even bother to watch the trailer? What the fuck is wrong with you? Don't spend another minute on this shit.

[Anonymous No.3456441]

>>3456439
They still value technical competence. In the west, the focus has shifted so hard towards "expression" and "individualism" that it doesn't matter if you just splashed a canvas with a can of beans and period blood if you can convince someone it's deep. Art as a technical skill isn't valued as much and so it's not in people's consciousness as a thing to work on and hone.

[Anonymous No.3456443]

>>3456439
They have a wholly different system. For example, they only rarely use those skeletons/mannequins. This results in better dynamics because they can just draw what's cool.

Man, there was a thread on Krautchan about this ages ago, sadly I didn't screenshot it.
AFAIK, Asians really copy, copy, copy the artists they like until a comined style is developed naturally. They don't learn perspective and anatomy like western artists. Another reason for that is that perfect art doesn't count as much as good character design and stories on the Asian market.
There's also this Japanese philosophy of "natural imperfection", while western artists want things to be perfect.
Look at One Piece - from a western artist's perspective, it's laughable, but it's the most successful manga right now.

[Anonymous No.3456445]

>>3456441
>They still value technical competence.
Technically, most manga are total shit.

[Anonymous No.3456446]

>>3456443
do they copy or trace? or both?

>Look at One Piece - from a western artist's perspective, it's laughable, but it's the most successful manga right now.
I have always been really turned off by the art but there has to be something if its the most popular, really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.3456452]

Question for all you artists here.. Have any of you went to college or certain art programs in order to learn anything that helped overall? I've always had an interest in drawing since around my middle school years, so about 11-13 years ago. I would draw in time frames and then sort of just doodle in between for months. I would end up trying to copy my favorite anime/manga scenes or at least the characters, but not in a tracing matter, more of looking at the source material and back to my notebook trying to copy it as best as I could for the time.

I already know I lack skills in perspective, coloring/shading/lighting and working more on anatomy. I'm sure there's a bit more I'm lacking too but what I'm trying to ask is if it's worth checking into some college courses or programs.. or if I'd be better off making use of certain books and online videos that'd teach me what I'd need to know instead?

I sadly don't have any real drawings to show off for feedback and a point of view of where I stand currently. Here's the most recent drawing I'm working on (haven't fully went through and touched up the colors yet or get into the shading/lighting of course.)

[Anonymous No.3456453]

>>3456446
>do they copy or trace? or both?
Both. See that recent "scandal" about the DBS artist swiping Captain America.
But to develop their style, they simply copy others. It helps of course that "manga style" is very heterogenous and includes very cartoony stuff as well as almost western realistic stuff.

[Anonymous No.3456455]

>>3456453
Guess i'll just copy shit then

[Anonymous No.3456456]

>>3456151
>Udemy
You fucked up nigga, shit's a complete scam

[Anonymous No.3456457]

>>3456144
only 7 dolleridoos? I'm in !!

[Anonymous No.3456459]

>>3456114

[Anonymous No.3456460]

>>3456441
So that's why most western cartoons look like a child's scribbles or someone opened ms paint and made a character out of the shape tools.

[Anonymous No.3456469]

So is anyone going to upload to cgpeers?

[Anonymous No.3456473]

>>3456452
I took a figure drawing class at JC but I'm a college dropout. The only semblance of skill I have is because I've been drawing consistently for nearly 20 years. Unfortunately there is probably a level of skill that you can only achieve through taking actual college courses but if you're a basement dweller, you can do just fine reading books and watching youtube tutorials. So long as you have the drive to improve your art you won't fall into deviantart status. Complacency with mediocrity is what defines that type of artist.

[Anonymous No.3456489]

>>3456473
Thanks for the reply, I've been really wanting to pursue drawing in order to get income from doing it. While also doing it because I do have a love for wanting to improve and be able to create stuff. I've been trying to gather the best information on the subject before I jump into any courses or try out programs.

Currently I'm unemployed so my free time would allow me to learn new things for improvement, but I'm also looking at picking up some sort of job within a month or two for some funds. My plan right now is to figure out the best course of action. I ask about college courses vs self discipline online learning since I read that peoples thoughts on college for art isn't seen as being the best outcome, but they would give a degree.

I'll check back on the thread when I wake up later today if it's around, hopefully getting more information out of here.

[Anonymous No.3456495]

>>3456271
I'm just here to shitpost

[Anonymous No.3456503]

>>3456327
ask shadman

[Anonymous No.3456504]

>>3456324
join us in /ic/

[Anonymous No.3456523]

>>3456114
Alright bozo listen up.


There are things Udemy is good for, and things it CLEARLY isn't.

What it's good for :
> Marketing schemes
> Design shlock
> Entry level programming

What it's NOT good for:
> Any truly in depth review of a craft
> Deep level programming beyond buzzwords
> Art
> ESPECIALLY Art.

There are many guides, books, and videos out there FOR FREE on every subject imaginable. Why in the WORLD would you pay for a Udemy course on anime, just watch a Milkeymegamega video or something, dude's a meme but atleast he knows how to draw an anime girl right and uses actual methods.

Or, you stop being a stupid twat, go to the STICKY on the catalog and actually, for once in your immature life, apply yourself to a program that takes both time and discipline.

[Anonymous No.3456533]

>>3456324
Before getting your hands on "study", ask your self what exactly you want.

Here are a few things you need to make it clear:
1.Do you want to make a living via drawing manga or anime?
2.What kind of style do you like? you can take your favorite artist as example, if you don't know where to find one, try Pixiv, which could be very likely your only hope to find your favorite anime/manga artist or style you want.
3.Do you simply love to draw manga with no pressure, or do you want to be a pro?

These question helps optimization your learning curve, make it more fitting into your needs/goal, different desire require different way to learn how to draw, draw cute anime girls with no pressure, or perhaps some meme/trolling reaction pic on 4chan, don't go full art course for it, simply find your favor artist on Pixiv and mimic it few times a week will do.

But if you want to draw like HJL, November, 草壁, ゆきみ, 木shiyo, 米白粕, 井上雄彦, RZ, that would be a whole new level of studying effort. Starting with the basic art lesson, learn to use soft/hardware, gather materials, perspective, human anatomy, value, lighting, composition, chromatology, visual design, psychology blahblahblah, you need everything to get to that level, plus a common problem will definitely bugging you the whole time, "The style", there's no one can teach about it, you need to draw a lot to develop it.

Think about these questions, before searching art course on the internet.

[Anonymous No.3456563]

>>3456151
You have more problems than being retarded enough to purchase a Udemy class

[Anonymous No.3456567]

>>3456267
Try Huston. He has recently remade his figure drawing classes. Really, really good. Easy to understand. If he talks too slow, raise the video speed. Draw along with him every step of the way.

[Anonymous No.3456606]

>thread got capped in just a couple hours
What did I miss? Why is /ic/ in such a rush?

[Anonymous No.3456619]

>>3456606
This thread was posted on /a/ originally, but some janny moved it to /ic/. That is why many people are telling OP to go to /ic/,

[Anonymous No.3456633]

Most artists start by copying other artists they like, then develop their own style as they improve. I highly recommend keeping a watch on Hamada (Tsugumomo mangaka) Twitter, where he announces his streams. Watch how he goes from stick figures through more-detailed "pencil" stage, then his final "inking", changing and adjusting all along the way. That's the best part of doing art digitally, the freedom to change your mind.

[Anonymous No.3456659]

Loomis is pointless for anime because they don't use it.

[Anonymous No.3456747]

>>3456659
Nobody in this board knows how to draw anime, and if someone does their word is the only one worth listening to.

[Anonymous No.3456789]

>>3456118
Come on anon, you can see how shitty the art is before you buy it. Shame on you.

>>3456119
>$200 base price
I'm pretty sure the course isn't actually discounted. Looks like the "regular price" is just set absurdly high so they can keep it on a perpetual 95% off and make it look like a really good deal, when you're actually paying $10 for something entirely worthless or even detrimental to your artistic learning.

[Anonymous No.3456793]

>>3456789
People can have bad art but still teach good theory.

[Anonymous No.3456805]

>>3456793
Do you have an example? I would only tolerate this in instances like "they're really bad at human anatomy, but they have a great understanding of light and composition and create beautiful landscapes." I would never buy a lesson from someone who was bad at what they were teaching.

[Anonymous No.3457042]

>>3456152
>>さんが皆を始めましょう

it's wrong. it should be

皆さん、始めましょう。

[Anonymous No.3457050]

>>3457042
forgot a pic. course introduction gives enough hints to stay away.

[Anonymous No.3457439]

>The artist name is western name
> Teaches real and authentic anime manga
You deserve it.

[Anonymous No.3457628]

>>3457439
>thread is already over and posts like this already exhausted
>still comes into the thread thinking he's saying something
Lurk moar, post less

[Anonymous No.3458310]

>>3456114
> A professional artist drew this
I feel better about my art being shit Jesus Christ. And you had to pay money for this? I feel sorry for you Anon.

[Anonymous No.3458638]

>>3456659
nips do use loomis, it's what they apply to using loomis method matter more.

[Anonymous No.3459148]

>>3456322
>he's trying to help you lad
>critics
>trying to help
Haha. Don't flatter yourself.

[Anonymous No.3459154]

>>3456260
Loomis is to /ic/ what Starting Strength is to /fit/. Nobody outside meme circles has ever heard of it, it gets recommended to everyone regardless of problem and no one who "made it in life" ever used it.