/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

[Anonymous No.3265101]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

#1)
>screenshot the image and post that instead

#2)
>change camera capture settings to something smaller

#3)
>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>3261001

[Anonymous No.3265102]

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

[Anonymous No.3265349]

>>3265119
should've fixed the proportions first but i guess no one bothered to tell you to when you posted the earlier version?

[Anonymous No.3265376]

When rendering should I start painting the dark areas first or doesn't matter?

[Anonymous No.3265381]

I can't find any references for someone laying down seen from above so I'm having trouble drawing these legs and feet can someone help me out or point me in the direction of a reference?

[Anonymous No.3265383]

>>3265376
If it's digital it doesn't really matter, if it's traditional I'd say it depends the medium, if you're working with something that another colour can go over (like copics) it doesn't matter but lay down the base the get darker with things like crayons.

[Anonymous No.3265396]

Am i improving?

[Anonymous No.3265433]

>>3265396
ngmi.....

[Anonymous No.3265435]

Begginer confession here

I feel sexually attracted to this.
...
And this is a religious sculpture.

Beauty like this push me to improve.

[Anonymous No.3265437]

>>3265435
>piece of art that was meant to be arousing arouses virgin, more news at 11

[Anonymous No.3265441]

>>3265381
Why don't you try pictures of people standing?

[Anonymous No.3265562]

>>3265437
20s
I'm still virgin.
virgin artist

[Anonymous No.3265643]

Warm ups

[Anonymous No.3265646]

>>3265562
virgem bartist

[Anonymous No.3265647]

>>3265643
thanks for posting these.

[Anonymous No.3265653]

>>3265647
Is it sarcasm?
It’s just a warm up.
I don’t want to be annoying here.

[Anonymous No.3265657]

The advantage of global warming

[Anonymous No.3265659]

>>3265657
thanks for posting these.

[Anonymous No.3265686]

>>3265101
how in the fuck do I determine the cone of vision?

I'm reading Scott Robertson's how to draw book and the only fucking thing he says is that we should use a 60 degree COV whenever drawing perspective work, and then he goes on to just use it. How in the fuck do I determine this shit??

Do I need a circle making tool?

[Anonymous No.3265716]

>>3265101
Is approaching a pet portrait basically the same as a regular portrait? Also, any tips or resources on this stuff? Like a reilly method mapping but for animal heads?

[Anonymous No.3265717]

>>3265433
Thank you for your constructive comment anon. Good that people like you exist, world is better thanks to you.

[Anonymous No.3265740]

Could i use a ruler on a drawing pad?

[Anonymous No.3265774]

>>3265396
in anatomy to some degree I suppose.

[Anonymous No.3265780]

Can somebody post some reference images for a newbie like myself to warm up on?

[Anonymous No.3265793]

>>3265780
search on pinterest for high-res images of bowls of fruit

you're welcome

[Anonymous No.3265797]

>>3265396
Generally it's better to compare two very similar things, rather than two different things. Yeah it's the same subject matter but one is a quick sketch and the other is a fully fleshed out drawing with values.

[Anonymous No.3265853]

[Anonymous No.3265880]

>>3265686
You may be too /beg/ for HtD. Just be aware of distortion on the edges of drawing and avoid it by either spacing your vanishing points further apart or making it bigger than you intended and cropping out the fucked parts. Or learn about focal length and FOV in cameras and why wide angle looks like shit.

>>3265716
It's similar, but painting dogs for lesbians is worse than painting kids. They really want that likeness captured.

[Anonymous No.3265894]

>>3265880
The hell do lesbians have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.3265898]

>>3265894
stereotypical pet portrait buyers i guess

[Anonymous No.3265900]

>>3265894
They are the sole commissioners of pet portraits.

There are a couple books on animals, but none that I've seen that go into face rhythms or portraiture. They only do gesture and anatomy. It's mostly about finding the general structure and planes of the head and rendering fur that represents the bones and musculature under it.

[Anonymous No.3265905]

>>3265716

One way is to measure the relation between angles. Eye to nose, nose to chin, eye to ears, ears to collars... Something like. I hardly use this method.

The other is to break it down into simple forms. Sphere for the head, tapered cylinder for the muzzle and neck. Add placeholder for features and start detailing or go straight to painting.

IF you client is asking for PERFECT representation of whatever photo they give you. Use grid or just fucking trace.

[Anonymous No.3265985]

im gonna have to read all this nerd shit...

[Anonymous No.3266016]

this one was a bit harder for some reason
>inb4 lmao rick and morty style mouths gtfo

[Anonymous No.3266023]

>>3266016
lmao rick and morty style mouths gtfo

[Anonymous No.3266029]

can't draw female cartoon but am learning from fun with pencil and a fav artist how i been doing.

[Anonymous No.3266035]

>>3266023
haha hehe hoho
you got me

[Anonymous No.3266101]

>>3265653
this is a critique/criticism board...if you post something, it likely means you want it critiqued. theres nothing much to crit about warm ups

[Anonymous No.3266107]

>>3266016
if you didnt mean for the mouth to be saying "stop", id say thats a bad omen.

[Anonymous No.3266110]

>>3266107
it starts mouth closed and says "yell"

[Anonymous No.3266112]

Trying to draw the neck muscles and it's a fucking mess. The only things I can get down consistently are the sterno-mastoids, the neck cartilage area and the trapezius. All those little circled deep muscles/tendons on the side, I can't fucking draw. Are there any good tutorials that explain how they affect the skin's surface/lighting forms? Everything I find only seems to mention sternos, front of the neck, and trapezius.

[Anonymous No.3266135]

>>3266101

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

This is from the OP. You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.3266138]

>>3266101
Read the OP
Third paragraph

>>3265101
> Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

[Anonymous No.3266139]

Goods books about gesture

[Anonymous No.3266140]

>>3266112
Can you show us your work?

[Anonymous No.3266148]

>>3265396
You are not feeling the form.
Keep working, don’t give up.

[Anonymous No.3266158]

Charcoal study.
It's amazing how much easier it is to see the ton of mistakes you make when you compared both images side by side. I wasn't even sure I messed up the angle of the lips that badly. I also pretty much rushed everything else that wasn't the face.

Drawing with the willow charcoal was pretty fun though.

[Anonymous No.3266159]

>>3265101
How do I make it so that my eyes look like they're looking at the same object?

[Anonymous No.3266171]

i can't do it anymore
sorry guys...

[Anonymous No.3266179]

>>3266171
good night, sweet prince.

[Anonymous No.3266198]

>>3265853
Any chance you still have the ref on top? I'm drawing a sitting girl and that would be extremely helpful.

[Anonymous No.3266203]

>>3266171
What do you mean?
Don’t dare to quit art foool.

[Anonymous No.3266217]

This was my last one. And now i want to just give up

[Anonymous No.3266278]

>see something I want to draw
>can't draw it good
>get upset
>quit drawing
>repeat

How can I better control my emotions? I know in my head that bad drawings with effort put in are stepping stones to better drawings. But seeing mistakes and not immediately grasping concepts feel so bad.

Pic unrelated

[big heads t-rex arms guy No.3266281]

>>3266158
thats pretty spooky anon.

this is meant for drawing irl stuff but I think it can help u: https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring

[Anonymous No.3266290]

>>3266158
literally all you have to do is read keys to drawing (which is recommended if you read the sticky)

[Anonymous No.3266304]

Drawin some gay shit
Any glaring mistakes before I keep going?

[Anonymous No.3266305]

>>3266304
>gay shit
>looks like an anime girl

[Anonymous No.3266313]

>>3266305
You are an anime girl

[Anonymous No.3266321]

>>3266313
T-thanks. Y-you too.

[Anonymous No.3266339]

>>3266198
Sorry mate but I don't have a clean one. Mistakenly drew on the same layer. Got the pic off quickposes if it's any help.

[Anonymous No.3266341]

>>3266278
>not immediately grasping concepts feel so bad.
If only there were a way to learn about concepts instead of trying to reinvent the wheel every time.

[Anonymous No.3266342]

>>3266341
>reinvent the wheel meme in drawing

[Anonymous No.3266367]

>>3266135
>>3266138
ah, my apologies

>>3265643
sorry anon, continue doing you

[Anonymous No.3266371]

Burd doodle. I didn't leave enough space for the wings so I shortened their span. Is it very noticeable?

[Anonymous No.3266372]

>>3266371

[Anonymous No.3266380]

>>3266371
tail looks like a ballsack

[Anonymous No.3266384]

>>3266380
so does the tail in the ref. how do I fix this??

[Anonymous No.3266390]

>>3266384
Pick better reference.

[Anonymous No.3266391]

Anyone got a recommendation for a cheap scanner for scanning pencil sketches?

[Anonymous No.3266410]

>>3266384
>>3266390
this, also try find reff with some more interesting lighting.

should really train shading dawg.

[Anonymous No.3266413]

>>3266278
It takes time and consistent practice. I know the feel - It's frustrating to not get something and see your own shitty art, just keep analyzing your mistakes. It's a marathon not a race. Move on to something else and come back to it later, you'll improve on everything passively.

[Anonymous No.3266439]

does it look less testicular now? added some color to hopefully distract from the testes

[Anonymous No.3266467]

>>3266439
Now you gotta fix the edge around the boid. Too many sharp edges.

[Anonymous No.3266524]

Learning how to draw poses, i'v tried two styles of making it.

[Anonymous No.3266538]

>>3266524
This really looks like a pair of hairy ass cheeks in the thumbnail

[Anonymous No.3266539]

I don't have anyone to sit down and walk me through things patiently, to help guide me through all these problems I'm having and help me to reach a better understanding of things. Reading books, doodling, practicing circles and lines and shapes in different dimensions and angles; All of it feels like I'm going to keep bashing my head against this brick wall until either I break or I get better.

[Anonymous No.3266541]

>>3266539
>All of it feels like I'm going to keep bashing my head against this brick wall until either I break or I get better.
Yes.

[Anonymous No.3266542]

>>3266539
These things I do create...I don't know if they are actually good or if I'm just fooling myself into thinking they're good. I'm lying to myself that I'm actually going to get better, that I'm actually going to succeed. Every instance of starting something new becomes a challenge of faking like you know something to people who don't know anything, but I know. I know I'm shit. And for some reason I can't stop.

[Anonymous No.3266550]

>>3266538
kek

[Anonymous No.3266551]

>>3266524
This is another Attempt with graphic tablet

[Anonymous No.3266576]

>>3266551
You are taking these too quick.
Take your time, draw proper ovals for the head, make sure the center guidelines for the face goes through the eyes and vertically through inbetween the eyes and base of nose. Create proper forms.

/ic/ doesn't really iterate this but take your time with everything. The 30 second gestures are usually a higher intermediate goal. 1-2 minutes for intermediates, 5-10 minutes for beginners.

You have to have an understanding about the forms and flow before you can become quicker at it. Like you have to learn to walk before you can run. Aim for being correct first before fast.

[Anonymous No.3266581]

>>3266576
Great advice, especially about the time of gestures, i was doing 1-2 minutes.

Thanks alot

[Anonymous No.3266586]

Redline please.

[Anonymous No.3266608]

>>3266304
Finished.
If I get a dislike I'm going to say it's /ic/ fault for not criticizing me.
>>3266321
lets exchange body fluids anon

[Anonymous No.3266627]

>>3266608
That creature is absolutely hideous

[Anonymous No.3266633]

>>3266627
exblain pls

[Anonymous No.3266638]

>>3266608
you were doing so well.

[Anonymous No.3266641]

>>3266627
>>3266638
care to go on detail?

[Anonymous No.3266649]

>>3266641
looked like u were doing a pretty nice studie, but then u added thatfucked up giant head on it.

[Anonymous No.3266651]

>>3266649
ah I see
Is this any better?

[Anonymous No.3266652]

>>3265880
Alright, I appreciate it. I found some BYU video on youtube where the guy talks about just measuring out 60% of the distance between the two vanishing points, centering it, and then make a circle out of it. So I really just feel like a dumbass now.

Thanks for the help tho.

[Anonymous No.3266654]

>>3266649
ah I see
Is this any better?

[Anonymous No.3266658]

>>3266586
Where's my (You)?

[Anonymous No.3266661]

>>3266654
what chanced?

[Anonymous No.3266662]

>>3266658
I would but I dont do digital so I cant red line it
sry anon

just look up some reference in a similar pose and see where you went wrong

[Anonymous No.3266667]

>>3266586
Oo its nice to see that you've improved anon! What stands out to me is that the head is slighty too big and circular, the shoulders need to stick out more (they're too small at the moment), and the hand on the left seems a little too small for the face, though I am aware of perspective you're trying to do

[Anonymous No.3266673]

>>3266661
the size of the head

so is it any better?

[Anonymous No.3266768]

>>3266673
the mouth protection thing goes all the way down to the jugular, which makes her head look more massive then it even is, maybe u could get away with saying its style idk.

[Anonymous No.3266867]

first time painting in a long wile- What should I work on?

[Anonymous No.3266930]

what else do i need to do to make this look more finished?

[Anonymous No.3266937]

>>3266930
Texture

[Anonymous No.3266939]

>>3266937
Oh, and a focal point so you don't have to do but so much texture.

[Anonymous No.3266941]

>>3266937
how? tiny lines for the bricks?

[Anonymous No.3266947]

>>3266941
It's up to you. You could do a dark underlayer for the mortar and paint the bricks on top with a flat brush. There are so many ways to go about it.

[Anonymous No.3266950]

>>3266947
Not him but where is this from?

[Anonymous No.3266955]

>>3266950
Guptil - drawing with pen and ink

Might as well share the shortlist I've been making.
mega /#F!0NJHTBpY!199jjfPWQdOS3gxj5YdEdA

[Anonymous No.3266971]

Unfinished sketching,, any criticism?

[Anonymous No.3266975]

>>3266971

[Anonymous No.3266978]

>>3266975

[Anonymous No.3266985]

>>3266978
why she lost her eye? And why is she angry?
Her hair looks flat.

[Anonymous No.3266987]

>>3266971
>>3266975
>>3266978
If I, I get to know your name
Well if I, could trace your private number, baby

[Anonymous No.3266997]

>>3266978
pls delete ur old post, also needs more planes, maybe watch a proko video on it.

[Anonymous No.3267010]

>>3266985
unfinished maybe eyebrows make her look angry
>>3266987
lol you must be old
>>3266997
thanks for that, dont know how to delete

[Anonymous No.3267015]

Me again. I'm working on something and I'd like some feedback.

[Anonymous No.3267038]

>>3267010
Click the white little box top left from ur post for both of ur bad upload and scoll down to the bottem right part of the board/thread and press delete.

[Anonymous No.3267063]

I have an idea for a drawing in my head. I just don't think I'm anywhere near skilled enough to attempt it yet. Should I get over my fears and just fucking do it, or should I grind more before I attempt it?

[Anonymous No.3267070]

First time I use nibs (G nibs)
I love inking with them but the results looks ultra stiff compared to my pencil sketch.
Is there any "guide" on how to draw with a nib ?

[Anonymous No.3267081]

>>3265101
Is the Animators Survival Kit useful for non animator artists too?
I'm considering getting a couple copies for me and a friend as a gift.

[Anonymous No.3267083]

>>3267081
Probably not.

[Anonymous No.3267084]

>>3267081
Not really no. It's mainly about animation, timing, etc. and has very little to do with drawing technique.

[Anonymous No.3267088]

>>3267063

[Anonymous No.3267093]

>>3267063
Do it, even if it's a really basic sketch. You can revisit it once you'e better and have it guide what you need to practice.

[Anonymous No.3267098]

>>3265101
Im doing the exercise where I trace over a line 8 times, I can do it with the felt tip pen on paper but on digital I can't consistently make the same line (or arc or ellipse).

Is this just a mileage thing?

Sidenote: All of my longer straight lines look wobbly no matter how fast I draw them, so Im starting to think this is a tablet problem.

[Anonymous No.3267099]

crit please
i generally dont know what im doing just got a tablet a few months ago
still struggling with line weight
no ref

[Anonymous No.3267105]

>>3267098
theres a reason stabilization exists, tablets have 0 friction and you are not looking at your hand while doing it

[Anonymous No.3267110]

>>3267088
>>3267093
Thanks. I’ll man up and do my best. I will 100% revisit/redo it down the line, but I’ll see if I can make some of it work at least with my current level of skill.

[Anonymous No.3267114]

>>3267110
It all starts with a crappy sketch.

[Anonymous No.3267119]

>>3267114
I may as well share my idea. I’m going to draw a comfy bar/hunter’s lodge with a bunch of monster slayers and hunters from various stuff sitting and chilling. Geralt of Rivia, Guts, Bloodborne Hunter etc. Complete with monster heads on the walls and a comfy fireplace going on.

[Anonymous No.3267124]

>>3266140
Sorry for the horrendous quality, but all I have is a potato-tier camera. I'm trying to get that muscle group in between the sterno-mastoids and the trapezius down, the ones I colored orange, red, and green. But any anatomy reference I look at is inconsistent as hell. Some show about 6-8 muscles/tendons while the reference I used for these drawings only show 3 major ones, different from what I posted earlier >>3266112.
I know I'm fucking up hard here and I doubt what I drew is accurate, which is why I need to know what I'm doing wrong so I can finally move on from this shit.

[Anonymous No.3267126]

>>3267119
Even if you can't draw worth shit, you can do composition with blocks of value and write names on them.

[Anonymous No.3267128]

>>3267124
Can you show us some more of your work? You might not be at a good enough level yet to be learning off muscles.

[Anonymous No.3267131]

>>3267126
I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.3267137]

I'm trying to continue with perspective made easy, but the part when the room is filled with water makes me feel uneasy and I can't concentrate. Can I skip that part? I'm freaking out here, unironically!

[Anonymous No.3267140]

>>3267124
This post makes me wonder
Why exactly do you want to know all the neck muscles accurately? Do you aspire to have medical knowledge? Because artists usually don't go that deep into anatomy because this knowldege it's not needed 99.9% of the time. That's why majority of anatomy for artist ooks talk about landmarks, major masses, important bones and mscles, but never ALL of them. That's insane.

[Anonymous No.3267141]

>>3267137
What if I told you no

[Anonymous No.3267147]

>>3267099
nothing much to say, finish it maybe
If it was a sketch, don't be scared of trying things before erasing your lines

[Anonymous No.3267149]

>>3267141
Who needs a room filled with water anyways. Fuck perspective.

[Anonymous No.3267163]

>>3267140
I'm not trying to know literally every last little muscle in the body. I've just noticed that there seems to be other shadows/light value that is cast in some photos and portraits that show the neck/trapezius area, and the values come from around that area of the neck.

>>3267128
Don't know what exactly you want me to post. Here is some rough stuff I did recently. I've done some more detailed face portraits but I don't have any of them with me right now.

[Anonymous No.3267165]

>>3267163
Learn to draw heads/necks better before you dig deeper into their structure.

[Anonymous No.3267166]

was not available to get more accuracy.
I notice I'm worse with weight than high.
The angles are not that bad.

[Anonymous No.3267171]

>>3267165
That's what I'm trying to do, hence why I'm asking about anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3267296]

>>3265101
some gestures from today

[Anonymous No.3267319]

>>3266654
>>3266768
More gay shit progress

[Anonymous No.3267344]

>>3267296

Stiff...

[Anonymous No.3267372]

I don't know why people shit on Loomis so much. His humor in "Fun with a Pencil" is top notch. I find myself chuckling unironically at his jokes.

[Anonymous No.3267410]

>>3267344
Soo..

How do i unstiff it?

[Anonymous No.3267416]

>>3267372
I think people have the idea Loomis is mocking their intellect with his too basic approach to drawing.

[Anonymous No.3267446]

Testing knowledge.

I didn’t use references to see what I’m available to do.
It’s stylized.
I think this is a good exercise to see what I,m lacking when drawing from imagination. Must of the lack I can see as always it’s “design”. I still need to fix the perspective

[Anonymous No.3267473]

>>3267410

Do gesture but don't focus on the proportion and exaggerate the pose. Feel the movement or the weight distribution.

[Anonymous No.3267476]

>>3267099

Learn from life before you stylize.

[Anonymous No.3267478]

>>3267416
Yeah, I can understand that, but I don't get impression. I've always though that the best way to explain something is to use as little words as possible.

[Anonymous No.3267480]

>>3267296

How long are you taking on these poses?

[Anonymous No.3267571]

>>3265101
what's a good exercise?

[Anonymous No.3267576]

>>3267571
kegels

[Anonymous No.3267577]

>>3267571
Walking.

[Anonymous No.3267578]

These are all done with reference in 2 minutes. I'm not sure what to work on.

[Anonymous No.3267579]

>>3267578
You should try completely finishing one.

[Anonymous No.3267609]

Hi it's the animation guy here. I don't have a scanner

[Anonymous No.3267636]

Please critique me plus what should the background be

[Anonymous No.3267637]

>>3267163
if you're working from the bottom up then start with the skeleton, not muscles, since you clearly don't know how the skull works underneath the skin

[Anonymous No.3267643]

>>3267636
something that isn't a pile of shit so that your drawiwng will stand out more

[Anonymous No.3267677]

>>3266380
I thought the same shit kek

[Anonymous No.3267687]

Is there any reference or shapes used for Dinos? Also what can I do to improve my pencil sketch to not make it look like a 6 grader drew it.

[Anonymous No.3267704]

>>3267637
Can you redline something in particular that I got wrong with heads?

[Anonymous No.3267786]

>>3266538

[Anonymous No.3267789]

>>3265396
Not sure what everyone else is on about but there's a pretty significant improvement between the two. Your forms still look a bit flat though, so I would work on that.

[Anonymous No.3267831]

>>3267319
finished

[Anonymous No.3267847]

>>3267831
Weird lizard looking head.

[Anonymous No.3267860]

>>3267847
oh shit

can't unsee

[Anonymous No.3267869]

Finished up week 3 of dynamic sketching, here are the warm ups.

[Anonymous No.3267871]

>>3267869
And the last 3 days of the actual exercises, on to week 4.

[Anonymous No.3267938]

What are commonly used proportions for the ribcage? Like length of the sternum compared to overall height of the ribcage?

[Anonymous No.3267953]

>>3267938
Pick up literally any figure drawing book and figure it out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.3267984]

action shots

[Anonymous No.3267989]

kinda like the middle right guy.

[Anonymous No.3267993]

>>3265686
You should watch perspective for artists by erik olson. I was confused as fuck by HtD and he completely clarified it.

[big heads t-rex arms guy No.3268060]

saw these awesome drawing in the anatomy thread, i think the artist is named basnip.

tnx4the awesome reffs bb!

[Anonymous No.3268112]

This is my first time drawing digital art.. I need some advice.. And help.. Any tips or shortcuts in SAI will do.. I'm using a mouse and my ps3 controller.. Thank you..

[Anonymous No.3268115]

>>3268112
What kind of advice or help do you want aside from SAI which you can just look up in the help handbook?

[Anonymous No.3268116]

>>3268112
>I'm using a mouse and my ps3 controller

[Anonymous No.3268118]

>>3268112
Wanko?

[Anonymous No.3268120]

>>3268116
No shit really..

I use joy to key to set up shortcuts for brush, undo, ol water, etc.. My left hand in the controller mouse in the right..

[Anonymous No.3268122]

>>3267609
Anybody?

[Anonymous No.3268123]

>>3268060
ha!
ghey

[Anonymous No.3268124]

>>3268118
Yup! I love the series so much.. And she's top one for me..

[Anonymous No.3268126]

>>3268124
Wanko best girl. That's the best advice I could give you!

[Anonymous No.3268130]

>>3268126
True true..

This one is still in my sketch pad..

[big heads t-rex arms guy No.3268133]

>>3268123
I think i found my new fetish.

[Anonymous No.3268139]

>>3268133
Stop namefagging, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.3268142]

>>3268139
why would you care so much?

[Anonymous No.3268148]

>>3268142
This is an anonymous imageboard.
If you want to namefag, fuck off to tumblr/reddit.

[Anonymous No.3268195]

Critique would be nice.

[Anonymous No.3268197]

>>3268130
How long have you been drawing with a pencil?

[Anonymous No.3268199]

>>3268197
around 3 months

[Anonymous No.3268250]

>>3268195
Wat is dis

[Anonymous No.3268253]

What the hell is form, flat form mean

[Anonymous No.3268322]

is there any difference between these two?

[Anonymous No.3268327]

>>3267687
i dont see how a 6th grader could have drawn that

[Anonymous No.3268334]

>>3268327
I'm sure there's kids out there that draw better than this

[Anonymous No.3268339]

>>3268120
That’s not a half bad idea with the controller to be honest.

[Anonymous No.3268376]

>>3268322
yes
for example, the one on the right has red in it, whereas the left one doesn't

[Anonymous No.3268401]

I like to draw animu grills at work

[Anonymous No.3268424]

>>3268376
thanks man, what about the contents?

[Anonymous No.3268427]

>>3266608
if the body is being foreshortened, the head should be smaller than that, and also closer to the body. it looks like the head is 2 times the size of the chest right now

[Anonymous No.3268447]

It's the ear right? I screwed up the ear.

[Anonymous No.3268513]

Tried coloring it

[Anonymous No.3268536]

i have an inordinate amount of trouble with faces. it feels like i have some kind of visual dyslexia

[Anonymous No.3268587]

>>3267687
cheese wedge shapes

[Anonymous No.3268633]

i always end up in a desd end whenever I attempt to color. It always ends up as muddy piece of shit. Ive been told to do photostudies to learn how to color, but what if I cant even do photostudies? How exactly does one know that he's on the right track with regards to painting? It seems like unless I have the foresight of an experienced painter, I will always be painting 'blindly' , hoping it doesnt turn up as shit in the end. Im at my limit, Ive been returning to this for days now, convincing that I would be able to crack it. I already looked into blocking and I still cant do jack.

Attached are my attempts this past few days. Im lost right. Enlighten me friends.

[Anonymous No.3268647]

>>3268633
>How exactly does one know that he's on the right track with regards to painting?
your local atelier

[Anonymous No.3268662]

>>3268633
You're only using shades of brown on the skin, and no cool or warm colors. Skin reflects a ton of color, and reacts differently to different kinds of light. This is "symbol" painting, you're painting what you think is there, not what really is there - cool colors in the shadows, like blues, greens, purples, and violets, and warm colors like yellow, orange and red in the highlighted/lit areas. Different areas of the face will have different colors, too - blues in the eye sockets, reds and pinks around the nose and mouth. I can tell by your attempts you don't understand this, and it's the step you need to learn, to render skin accurately.
Attached is a good example of the kinds of colors found in skin.
Color temperature is one of the building blocks you use to create the illusion of depth, and volume. Later on, you can push this illusion further by adjusting hues to push the volume more, along with lighting.

[Anonymous No.3268663]

I still don't really know what I'm doing.
But I did enjoy spending way too much time polishing this turdhu.
I hope no one recognizes me from past posts

[Anonymous No.3268679]

>>3268662
Thanks for the advice, I'll look into color temperatures.

[Anonymous No.3268692]

>>3268679
A good thing to do is to take the photos you're gonna use as reference and pump up the saturation and vibrancy, this will pop more of the colors out for you. Using photos like the one you are is styled for fashion, and had it's colors adjusted for that, so the colors may not even be there. This is why painting from life is always better, for learning, photos and the processing they go through strips away critical details for us artists.

Another thing to look into is that painting is often about creating optical illusion and mixing of color, in the eye, which is extremely hard to do digitally, and hard to explain. DrawMixPaint goes into it with this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZE7JQwmmKM

You don't recreate what you see - you create the illusion of what you see, the viewer's eyes do most of the work. The wayour brains and eyes work, we go off visual cues, for color, hue, depth, texture. Often two colors in an area will mix as a totally different color in the eye, from a distance. The distance is what's missing, often, with digital painting, and it's why I'll get up and go across the room and look at something, just like I would with a real painting. I also, in Photoshop, have a small preview window of the entire painting open, alongside the main window, so I can see what's happening.
A good example of this is from my art history class. There's a famous painting, "The Raft Of The Medusa", by Gericault. In it, multiple figures are on it, on a raft, with water being sprayed on them. From far away, it looks like he painted each water droplet, like you think he would - with white paint. Nope. If you get up close (and I've done this, at the Louvre where it hangs) he painted stripes of green, yellow, and red. Up close, it's stripes of color. From a normal viewing distance in the gallery, they read to the eye was white reflections of water drops.
This is what learning to paint is. It's not photographic, it's interpretive.

[Anonymous No.3268702]

>>3268692
Actually, I already adjusted the contrast and saturation of my reference, it's way more desaturated than what I posted. That aside, very informative especially with how it's more on how we perceive colors. I'll look into the video. Thanks a lot.

[Anonymous No.3268707]

mad @ construction, gonna go practice colors on legoman sketches, goodbye dreams and hopes of ever making it

[Anonymous No.3268710]

>>3268707
Just draw.

[Anonymous No.3268793]

[Anonymous No.3268880]

>>3268793
Where are it's ears?

[Anonymous No.3268883]

>>3268702
It's all about how we perceive color. We translate, not photograph. In a lot of ways, it's speaking a language, with color.

[Anonymous No.3268951]

what do you think of this?

[Anonymous No.3268954]

How do I draw good ass (open back sweater) or butt reference pics.

[Anonymous No.3268985]

>>3265101
I'm a total beginner in need of basic skills. I'm looking for basic excercises I can work on to improve my hand control and build basic intuition about how to go about how to capture shade and form.

I know it probably sounds like I'm just looking for easy shortcuts but that's not it; I'm a university mathfag who spends most of the day on campus but I always have paper and writing instruments on me. I'd like to invest more time in this and do things comprehensively but currently my days are too busy for me to draw big projects (and my skills are too poor anyways). I hope I get more time in the summer, but I figure for now it would be a good habbit to build.

[Anonymous No.3268989]

>>3267869
>dynamic sketching
https://2d.cgmasteracademy.com/dynamic-sketching.html
>$699

Too rich for my blood.

[Anonymous No.3268990]

>>3268985
It is looking for an easy shortcut. Just draw. I know STEM majors aren't the smartest, but any experienced artist can see when someone is trying to avoid drawing.

[Anonymous No.3268992]

>>3268989
Then use the poorfag version drawabox.

[Anonymous No.3268996]

>>3268989
Cgpeers homeboi.

[Anonymous No.3269002]

>>3268989
It's worthless meme shit anyway.

[Anonymous No.3269003]

I need help. I've been drawing for ten years and am only now trying gesture drawing. Pic related. I feel like I'm not understanding it. I can see the gesture in the references, and I can draw the main line of action, but I simply cannot figure out how I'm supposed to draw the rest. I keep trying to just draw to outlines as I see them, because that's how I taught myself to draw my shitty hack anime drawings, but I know that's not the point.

[Anonymous No.3269004]

>>3268587
Thank you anon. Would've never guessed fuck'n cheese would work kek

[Anonymous No.3269012]

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.3269016]

>>3269003
references really help you out, try searching for photos of real people posing, and start drawing based on it

[Anonymous No.3269019]

>>3268633
first one looked good, i know that at first you think it looks bad and you get frustrated and that's why you can't do it right, just be patient and keep working, you'll see is not bad at all.

[Anonymous No.3269022]

>>3269016
>tfw you realize you haven't seriously drawn from reference before

....Oh, yeah. That's probably a big problem.
I'll go do that. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.3269027]

Can someone help me with a pose I want him floating

[Anonymous No.3269046]

>>3269027
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.3269048]

>>3268663
You're the fucked up face touhou guy.

The throwing arms looks very long, like drag on ground long, and the hand position looks pretty awkward.

[Anonymous No.3269049]

>>3268951

Looks good so far, keep at it.

[Anonymous No.3269050]

>>3269012
ayyy lmao

>>3269027
Why would the dick point down if he's floating?

[Anonymous No.3269055]

>>3269050
does it looks like an alien or wut

[Anonymous No.3269056]

Here's some shit I toiled over

[Anonymous No.3269058]

>>3269056
it looks really good, keep it up

[Anonymous No.3269059]

>>3269056
Her hands look a little bit too tiny? but otherwise it's good

[Anonymous No.3269062]

>>3269012
Sui Ishida first came into mind

[Anonymous No.3269065]

>>3269062
i'm glad u got it

[Anonymous No.3269066]

>>3269056
Qt Pristin. The ear is feeling very flat, though.

[Anonymous No.3269067]

>>3269058
>>3269059

Thanks, means a lot

[Anonymous No.3269073]

>>3269056
Personally I think it looks a bit icky. It might be something to do with the colours you're using.

[Anonymous No.3269079]

>>3269012
Be more angular, instead of just drawing a weird-looking oval for the jaw. Look at >>3269062 for example. The ears should be lower, eyes a bit closer together I think and I'd recommend either shooting for realistic-looking ones or anime ones; I find the ones you drew to be unappealing. Also he's a motherfucking giraffe

[Anonymous No.3269081]

>>3269079
thanks, you're actually helping me out
and about the giraffe neck, i know it looks bad but i kinda like it lol

[Anonymous No.3269200]

>>3267989
>>3268060
going tronk!

[Anonymous No.3269339]

Which drawing book has the best foot construction method?

[Anonymous No.3269359]

>>3268663
so this is what a future renderfag looks like.
spend a week grinding anatomy and you'll be as good as sakimichan

[Anonymous No.3269396]

>>3269027
is that his dick

[Anonymous No.3269400]

I bought tablet because friend who has one told me i draw well and could use one. unfortunately i seem to be a brainlet and cant get a hang of all those tools in the program, be it photoshop or gimp, i dont know which tool, brush, opacity, shape, angle, dynamic to use? i cant manage layers well. i am just fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.3269404]

>>3269400
get krita or sai

[Anonymous No.3269410]

>>3269400
there is a guy who teaches you the fundamentals of Photoshop pretty well, google ctrl+paint. its free :)

[Anonymous No.3269422]

>>3269048
Thanks, pretty much confirmed my anticipations
>>3269359
Encouraging, I'm really slow though

[Anonymous No.3269446]

>>3268692
5 star post anon

[Anonymous No.3269472]

tfw sick for days so making art gains.

[Anonymous No.3269473]

Open me a new one
I'm about to do the correction

[Anonymous No.3269481]

>>3269473
It's a pretty tame pose. Skipping the legs is a bad habit. And the eyes don't seem to be on the same plane as the rest of the features.

[Anonymous No.3269493]

>>3267704
No he can't, cause you're doing fine. I honestly think the problem with the anatomy books ect stem from the fact that some muscles in the neck tend to slip over others depending on the position on the head and body. It honestly doesn't look too bad for now, except for maybe the thickness of the neck from a 3/4 view. Don't hesitate to slope a bit where the neck meets the jaw area. Otherwise I suggest you take other anon's advice and don't sweat it too much.

[Anonymous No.3269496]

>>3269396
gonna change the head

[Anonymous No.3269498]

>>3269496
is that his dick or his thigh tho

[Anonymous No.3269514]

I did digital test to train
Crit please

[Anonymous No.3269529]

>>3269514
common man

you are inviting people to hurt your feelings

[Anonymous No.3269575]

every time i come here to post something i always end up not

[Anonymous No.3269607]

Study
I can see what I’m doing wrong here. I won’t tell you because is awkward.

The study is not about accuracy, it’s about understand ”foarm.”
This is more gesture and form than construction. I didn’t use construction.

[Anonymous No.3269624]

>>3269498
dick
I can't add head and face, someone help me

[Anonymous No.3269632]

>>3269624
please stop

[Anonymous No.3269641]

>>3268401
looks actually good

[Anonymous No.3269643]

>>3269624
Why people draw this .? And what kind of people?
Are this made by horny girls?

[Anonymous No.3269646]

>>3269624
watch out for tangets my dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIWllIMHsg

[Anonymous No.3269648]

I just want to slam myself into perspective until I understand and can apply it. What resources should I use and what order? I'm going through Perspective Made Easy (and should I be trying to do the problems as exercises?) at the moment.

[Anonymous No.3269649]

Any tips for doing gestures? these were around 5 mins each

[Anonymous No.3269661]

[Anonymous No.3269663]

>>3269649
Poor. Forget "gesture drawing". Take your time drawing instead.

[Anonymous No.3269692]

>>3269649
i was doing the same exercise yesterday, here's my viking dude

[Anonymous No.3269719]

>>3269663
Yeah you're right, I tend to rush through things a lot. Will do!

>>3269692
wew, Nice

[Anonymous No.3269743]

>>3269663
This is kinda silly, given how important gesture drawing is and the concept itself. Though 5 minutes IS a pretty long gesture time, plenty of time to slow your pace.

>>3269719
>>3269692
I'd recommend doing studying on how to do gesture to really get it down, these are all stiff and don't capture the movement or proportions of the models at all. I'd personally start with faster ones and work your way up, but don't overwork on gesture. I'm sure there are some really good resources around /ic/ for it. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.3269760]

>>3269743
The gesture is usually the first step of a drawing but it is NOT the first step of the learning process. In order to create a gesture you need to have internalized perspective, proportion, anatomy, and have the muscle memory to draw the lines you want to draw. I don't think op could even draw an apple sitting in front of him.

[Anonymous No.3269764]

>>3269760
Fair enough, I agree. Just was giving advice on what they're doing, though I do believe you're right. I don't think some gesture would be bad but certainly, they have other stuff they should be doing instead.

[Anonymous No.3269778]

>>3265101
When studying fabric, am I suppose to find the rhythm or copy what I see? Or both?

[Anonymous No.3269784]

>>3269778
Most figure drawing books has a chapter on drapery, start there.

[Anonymous No.3269818]

>>3269760

I’m not agree with anatomy,
Anatomy is te last part of figure drawing l.

[Anonymous No.3269821]

>>3269818
Show me a figure gesture that doesn't have any indication of anatomy.

[Anonymous No.3269822]

I’m really forcing my self to see form, I can see improvements but just in the technique no on the eye skill to see form, I’m missing something, I will make a review.
Any advice, even shit post will be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.3269830]

>>3269821

Well if we take the word “anatomy” really hard. We can say head and arms are anatomy on the gesture even if they are simple, but that is not what I meant when I said anatomy is the last.

Anatomy study is more about study the muscles. I think

Can you give a opinion on this please

>>3269822

>>3269607

[Anonymous No.3269831]

can nsfw stuff be posted?

[Anonymous No.3269840]

>>3269056

The hair is so good that it makes everything else even shittier. Skin looks off. Ear looks like intestine. Arm looks small. Shoulder is off unless she's wearing a shoulder pad.

[Anonymous No.3269845]

>>3269831
please no

[Anonymous No.3269848]

>>3269830
It looks like you are copying other people's drawings. It is much easier to understand form when you draw from life. It also looks like you aren't confident with anatomy, when you draw the deltoid are you thinking about it's origin and insertion points? The back looks like abstract lumps than clearly planned out muscles.

If you feel like you are plateauing I would change how you are studying. Try drawing with just line and no value. Try drawing multiple objects in one scene instead of independently. Try changing your medium and using pen. Try changing the subject, drawing animals will help you draw people.

[Anonymous No.3269849]

>>3269831
this literal child on 4chan wtf

[Anonymous No.3269859]

sheit, feels good to draw again after a month of stopping because of work related bullshit destroying everything. a little rusty buthaving tons of fun, wip

[Anonymous No.3269862]

>>3269831
Show it

[Anonymous No.3269874]

>>3269514
>we sael propane an' propane accessories

[Anonymous No.3269875]

>>3269848
I’m not trying to copy the old masters, I’m trying to understand form as them.

That is why these exercises are not exact copy. I’m creating the contour by drawing the form. Because form creates contour but it’s hard. As I said I can see improvement but with technique on line but not on form I just have a 3 day thou.
I have zero anatomy knowledge.

The problem here I think is I’m not drawing figure from life. I can’t afford a model. And I don’t have friends.
I’m thinking in use a mirror to draw myself.
Hope I’m in the right way.

[Anonymous No.3269881]

>>3267070
Try watching Urasawa Naoki no manben, but I don't know if there is something like a "correct way" to use g-nibs

[Anonymous No.3269885]

>>3269760
i literally just went on proko and started watching the figure drawing series
why are the first 5 videos on gesture?? this is fucked
I'm the 2nd anon with the digital drawing, any tips on where I should start over now?

[Anonymous No.3269889]

>>3269885
Gesture is an aspect of composition and crucial to a work. However, much like composition, there are other things you work on first because gesture is the most abstract and complex aspect and requires being able to draw with some competence to understand without it getting in the way. It's sort of like anons getting hung up on fundamentals (while still missing composition) instead of just fucking drawing and applying fundamentals as you learn them.

[Anonymous No.3269907]

we're all gonna make it brahs

[Anonymous No.3269921]

Does someone have a grup of discord to study. I will like to make art companions.

[Anonymous No.3269946]

>>3269885
Figure drawing is not actually a place you want to start as a beginner.

[Anonymous No.3269948]

>>3269946
It's not as bad as fruit because at least you can tell if something is off and no one gives a fuck about drawing fruit except for weridos.

[Anonymous No.3269952]

>>3269948
It's too complex for a beginner, I mean it doesn't hurt to dabble, but don't expect to get anywhere without the fundamentals it relies on being at least semi solid.

[Anonymous No.3269954]

>>3269885
stay away from proko

[Anonymous No.3269956]

>>3269952
But beginners get all shitter shattered when you tell them to fuck off outside and draw trees for a few months. Can't argue with a man obsessed.

[Anonymous No.3269980]

>>3269976
>>3269976
>>3269976

>>3269976
>>3269976
>>3269976


>>3269976
>>3269976
>>3269976

[Anonymous No.3269982]

>>3269885

Keys to drawing. Grasp drawing just by observation alone. All the lesson you need is in that book. Skim it if you want, I did the first time because it's "boring" at the time. but after a month I redo and finished it properly.

Finish that book and draw from life. Start drawing everything in your house, your friends house. Anything that you can see, DRAW.

Once you've grasp observational drawing you can jump into construction.

Loomis
Michael Hampton
Bridgman

and many others. So many ways to construct. I highly suggest learning from any and every source you can get your hands on. Shit ton of videos about this on youtube. Take what you want and mix it all. Eventually you'll find something that unique to you.

[Anonymous No.3270017]

>>3268880
in the mane???
mane is in front of lion ears and you dont often catch more than a small glimpse of them

[Anonymous No.3270340]

guys i need help i think i'll make it even worse if i try to color but i really want to color it pls help

[Anonymous No.3270352]

>>3268633
try reducing your brush flow to 4% ~ 12% to get the details right
and do it on a greyscale first, once you're happy with the results move onto color

[Anonymous No.3270371]

>>3270352
i know drawing on grayscale it's way easier, but how do i move onto color once i do it?

[Anonymous No.3270402]

how's my basic construction looking?

[Anonymous No.3270483]

>>3270340
Just do it, that's what layers are for.

[Anonymous No.3270865]

someone pls help, why does it look so wrong?

[Anonymous No.3270921]

>>3270865
new thread bud

[Anonymous No.3270928]

>>3270921
oh shit tnx,didnt see.

[Anonymous No.3270963]

>>3270865
it doesn't, just erase that stupid face lmao
everything else looks fine, just try to finish it and maybe make his feet a little bit bigger

[Anonymous No.3271194]

>>3265101
I know there is a sticky but I thought id ask some basic questions here while im reading it.

I want to learn how to both paint and draw. Should I start with painting first or should I start with drawing? I would prefer to start painting asap

Which books/resources should I get to help me out with painting? I am an absolute beginner so my skill level is pretty much zero

What is a good way to track my progress?

And finally, is what stuff should I pick up for a painting?

[Anonymous No.3273456]

>>3270963
kinda went lazy on the finish, tnx anyway anon :)

>>3271194
I'd ask in the new thread if i was u
>>3269976