Prove to me that Loomis isn't for dumbasses. I can't find a single Mangaka who uses this worthless method, and not even the people who suggest using Loomis are good at art either so why would I use Loomis knowing its track record of shitty artists?

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Anonymous Wed Dec 27 20:45:42 2017 No.3251600 [DELETED]

Prove to me that Loomis isn't for dumbasses. I can't find a single Mangaka who uses this worthless method, and not even the people who suggest using Loomis are good at art either so why would I use Loomis knowing its track record of shitty artists?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 20:50:24 2017 No.3251604 >>3251600 Construction

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 20:53:40 2017 No.3251606 >>3251604 Did Loomis invent construction?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 20:58:02 2017 No.3251609 >>3251600 bacuase you are a shitty artist too

Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:04:22 2017 No.3251613

>>3251600
If you want to trace backgrounds and posebooks like most mangaka, go for it. Just don't be surprised if you can't do much from your imagination.

Capcom used Andrew Loomis for their art:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-04-04-the-20-year-old-anatomy-of-a-street-fighter-guide-capcom-still-uses-today
https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/column/131614

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:05:19 2017 No.3251614 >>3251600 I remember reading on here that loomis's book on figures was one of japamazon's biggest sellers on the subject.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:13:49 2017 No.3251619 >>3251600 I hate the loomis meme too op.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:22:19 2017 No.3251626 File: 12 KB, 683x76, japan loomis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3251614 Surprising how it is quite popular over there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:27:37 2017 No.3251627 >>3251626 What's number one

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:28:18 2017 No.3251628 >>3251627 >inb4 Hogarth

Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:37:32 2017 No.3251634

>>3251614
reminder that most japanese artists aren't actually good and the few who do make it, aren't using loomis. If Loomis wasn't a meme, then why aren't there any good artists on this board who used it? Retard. Just because someone fell for a meme, doesn't make them good.

>>3251613
Implying Murata is tracing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 21:46:21 2017 No.3251639 >>3251606 DiD lOoMiS iNvEnT CoNsTrUcTiOn

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 22:01:01 2017 No.3251654 >>3251627 It's rated 18th here on this site http://booklog.jp/tag/%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E6%8A%80%E6%B3%95?page=2&sort=rating&display=list https://susumu-satoh.com/archives/183 >「人を上手く描けるようになりたいです!」と言うと、だいたい「ルーミスやりなさい」という返事がきます。 lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 22:05:47 2017 No.3251658 >>3251634 BBC is good though. Top 10% easily, top 5% possibly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 22:08:44 2017 No.3251660 >>3251613 >akiman-created company memo about keeping proportions consistent is somehow Capcom using loomis to create their art because an art director said he “believes” they might be “based” on loomis 20 years later

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 23:00:59 2017 No.3251711 >>3251634 >If Loomis wasn't a meme, then why aren't there any good artists on this board who used it? you have proof of this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 23:02:34 2017 No.3251713 >>3251711 Do you have proof there are any.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 23:04:08 2017 No.3251714 >>3251711 Next you're going to ask me to prove that there isn't a god that wants you to blow yourself up

Anonymous Wed Dec 27 23:23:25 2017 No.3251743

>>3251600

You use whatever works for you. Ultimately there is no one answer to becoming good. Loomis/Bridgman/Hampton are all good, but they're essentially just supplements for learning construction, specifically of the human form the way they visualize it. Even they don't do half the stuff in their consistently, but it's a good notion for learning what you need to or want.

If you wanna be Murata etc you gotta draw alot of other things but ref constantly for years, maybe a year if you have insane memory. Ref other artist that draw cool shit (like murata) and apply gesture/constructive understanding and if you can do that and get why things are done you can be like these amazing Mangakas. They may not of used Loomis, but they definitely all have drawn alot off of other peoples art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:15:26 2017 No.3251783 >>3251600 Please explain what it is you think people mean when they say "Loomis".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:16:36 2017 No.3251785 >>3251743 Is it possible to visualize the human form without construction?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:16:54 2017 No.3251786 >>3251783 if by loomis you mean anything other than loomis, you’re a fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:18:03 2017 No.3251788 >>3251786 And if you think your reply answers the question then you are a fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:22:24 2017 No.3251792 >>3251783 >Loomis doesn't mean loomis dood The absolute state of loomis shitters

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:25:10 2017 No.3251795

>>3251792
So just admit it already. You are such a complete dumbass that you don't even understand what people are talking about when they say something lacks loomis. That you actually think they mean drawings should look like in Loomis's books. Don't you, dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:26:23 2017 No.3251796 >>3251795 AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:28:27 2017 No.3251799 >>3251796 I doubt you are old enough to go there but this place might help you out if you can stay put: >>3250200

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:33:14 2017 No.3251805 >>3251799 >Hey bro loomis doesn't mean loomis you dumbass here go get stuck in the beginner thread till you understand how we meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:35:37 2017 No.3251809 >>3251795 it means using the methods developed and presented by wait for it andrew fucking loomis

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:41:15 2017 No.3251813

>>3251805
>>3251809

I'll help you out a lot then. Even if you haven't yet managed to explain it the answer have been posted plenty of times already in this thread. The fact that you can't catch up on a very obvious hint shows me that you are completely clueless to the general ideas for drawing and painting that have been developed over generations by many other than Loomis.

Combine that with your attitude and we got that every time you post it's like a beacon of ignorance and stupidity. Calling you a beginner is giving you the benefit of the doubt as you don't display any potential for actually improving with that attitude. I bet you just want to learn to draw for likes and came for instant gratification.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:02:54 2017 No.3251831 >>3251813 your dunning kruger is showing never give advice

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:03:54 2017 No.3251832 >>3251600 I don't even respond to these threads but just so you know I'm hiding them from now on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:04:53 2017 No.3251833 >>3251831 >"never give advice" >never gave an advice or posted art Only thing that is showing here is your butthurt

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:09:27 2017 No.3251837 File: 3.99 MB, 459x258, 1514314487558.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why does this particular flavor of Loomis thread keep coming up?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:09:30 2017 No.3251838 >>3251833 >hurr durr you’re a literal idiot, m80

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:11:27 2017 No.3251839 >>3251838 Your posts is like the crying of a dumb spoiled kid. I'm guessing that's what you are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:18:45 2017 No.3251849 >>3251837 Maybe it's comped?

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:26:33 2017 No.3251861

>>3251783
This is the linchpin. Why can't anyone define what is unique to Loomis?

I'd be surprised if he didn't take what he liked from his days as a student and worked upon it, because there's nothing in his head construction method that I haven't seen elsewhere in one way or another.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:33:28 2017 No.3251871

>>3251861
ffs... It's not that there's anything unique to Loomis other than that he have gathered a lot of methods that makes it easy for beginners to learn construction. Construction is on of many elements that make up a successful drawing so it's not about basing things on construction but understand how it fits into the balance of flow and gesture. If you can't do proper construction then your drawing is going to suck no matter how much you polish it with rendering and colors. People in here don't deserve this info because of their attitude but merry christmas.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:34:16 2017 No.3251873 >Loomis in the sticky >you need Loomis >yes, japs use Loomis, look at these Loomis books being the most popular on jap sites >look at this article saying Capcom uses Loomis >n-no, we don’t mean Loomis Yes, you fucking faggot, we mean Loomis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:35:08 2017 No.3251874 >>3251871 Merry christmas to do you too but you should really expand on that answer more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:41:50 2017 No.3251887 >>3251871 Post your work.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:45:33 2017 No.3251890

>>3251874
I will rather spend my time drawing.

You start out with gestures, composition and an idea. Once that is down you add construction without losing those gestures. This is where you will define lighting. Then you finish off by adding texture.

People who can't do anything but texture and color balance and just copy from photos often end up with dead/dull work. Those principles are also the answer to why art is still needed in the age of photography or why some anime characters look better with thin necks.

>>3251887
Go back to humping your donkey.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:46:46 2017 No.3251895 >>3251890 >bringing up the pencil necks into this thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:49:30 2017 No.3251897 >>3251890 >I can’t draw but I read a lot of threads about drawing and so you should listen to me t. dunning kruger

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:49:41 2017 No.3251898 >>3251600 Please stop making this thread

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:51:15 2017 No.3251900

>>3251895
People who don't understand why good artist can make it look okay and why many who try to copy the style make it look bad don't understand the basics of gestures and construction that lies behind the ideas. Aniume is nothing but a caricature of real life and there's a reason some say you should learn to draw properly before you dive into designing anime.

>>3251897
So in experience have your shitposting managed to improve your drawing skills yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 01:56:57 2017 No.3251905 >>3251900 >i-if I question his drawing m-maybe he’ll forget I’m talking out my ass I’m not the one larping here, post your work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:00:30 2017 No.3251908 >>3251905 I didn't question your drawing, dumbass, however you too see mine so I guess that by your own standard you are larping. Not that we can't already tell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:01:33 2017 No.3251910 >>3251908 +"wanted"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:09:53 2017 No.3251915 >>3251908 you are not even making sense are you a fucking brazilian or something do you not understand the meaning of the words you are using?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:23:10 2017 No.3251925 >>3251915 I'm not used to talking to people who need things to be kept simple like on your level. My apologies for confusing you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:30:12 2017 No.3251930 >>3251925 sure thing faggot, keep shitposting

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:32:57 2017 No.3251931 >wall of text about how to git gud >post work >n-no, but I know what i’m talking about i swear >cue 10 posts trying to get out of posting work like clockwork

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:40:18 2017 No.3251938 >>3251930 That's like getting the encouragement of a grandmaster.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:42:17 2017 No.3251939 >>3251931 Post your work then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:50:23 2017 No.3251944 >>3251939 why? i’m not pretending i’m good enough to offer advice i could post anything and it would show nothing put your work where your mouth is who is gonna take the word of a random nobody on 4chan?

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:50:39 2017 No.3251945

This >>3251939

>>3251931
There's no justification for the other guy to post his work but you on the other hand are trying to start shit just because you feel hurt feels. If you want to prove anything then prove that you can at least draw and then maybe people will overlook your bs a little.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:51:19 2017 No.3251946 Loomis is a shit meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:53:49 2017 No.3251948 >>3251945 People who shit out loomis can't prove anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 02:56:17 2017 No.3251950 >>3251948 Unfortunately for you nobody other than you have tried to prove anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 03:27:17 2017 No.3251960 >>3251600 all books (how to art books i mean) are for dumbasses that's why they're so popular here.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 03:43:22 2017 No.3251970

>>3251600
Loomis doesn't teach any controversial, specific method, you moron. He just teaches the basics of art fundamentals. No one gives a shit where you learn the fundamentals of art so stop being such a fucking attention whore. Though chance are if even someone as beginner friendly as Loomis goes over your head, you have no chance understanding and learning from any of the other teachers either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:06:44 2017 No.3251978 >>3251970 actually he teaches a defunct method which has been superseded by computers, keep it mind it does go loomis>ingres, it goes loomis>magazine covers from the 50s. and there's better ways to do those now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:10:36 2017 No.3251981 >>3251978 doesn't go* dammit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:14:42 2017 No.3251988 >>3251978 >superceded by computers Is this the latest abstractard meme because 'muh invention of the camera made drawing stuff that looked remotely like other stuff is obsolete

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:15:42 2017 No.3251990 >>3251837 lots of people struggle with anatomy and get easily butthurt over it

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:47:32 2017 No.3252009

>>3251978
I got no clue what you are takling about. So you can't draw at all and you believe all teachers of draftmanship and fundamentals have become redunant because of computers? In that case, why are you focusing only on Loomis with your impotent little crusade?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:48:15 2017 No.3252010 >>3251990 Why do a lot of people struggle with anatomy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 05:00:40 2017 No.3252018 >>3252010 probably because they are having a hard time accepting that they know less than they thought they knew.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 05:20:15 2017 No.3252033

>>3252018
i think it's more that anatomy really isn't what you should learn first. so they like go into it not knowing how do any of the basic things you need to do. so they're trying to draw complex shapes in perspective, with lots of important detail before they've even learnt how to hold a pencil

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 05:39:29 2017 No.3252042 >>3251639 its true though, there's plenty other better ways of learning what loomis is trying to teach, but from artists who's work doesn't look like boring trite

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:04:49 2017 No.3252129

>>3252042
Like who? The most well known current anatomy and figure drawing teachers are Hampton, who doesn't draw anything at all outside of studies. Vilppu, whos drawings are literally my little pony tier outside of anatomy studies. Steve Huston, who's breddy good but not exactly a revolutionary adventurer when it comes to subject matter. And then there's the old teachers like Loomis, Hogarth, Bridgeman etc who all did what you'd consider "boring trite" in their personal work.

So please pray tell, who's the cool and hip anatomy teacher who is so much better than Loomis that kids like you dig these days? Sinix?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:18:42 2017 No.3252138 >>3251970 loomis is trash so shut the fuck up with your worthless advice and learn to draw

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:20:18 2017 No.3252140 >>3251613 reads literally >"inside we see figure drawings similar to the style of Andrew Loomis" NOT ACTUAL Loomis and on closer inspection, far from it. get fucked

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:21:20 2017 No.3252142 >>3251946 >Loomis is a shit meme correct, so is "POST YOUR WORK"

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:22:53 2017 No.3252148
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If Loomis was legit, then don't you think at least 1 person out of the millions of people who recommend it, would be good at drawing? How come 100% of the people who recommend it on this board are fucking shit at drawing. Yet the few good people on this board, never touched his book? Let's say even if we do find 1 person out of a billion people who ended up being good that read Loomis book, then that still doesn't justify it seeing as how the 99.999% other people are still fucking shit at it? Loomis is bad, that's why most artists are so fucking awful because the method itself doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:27:58 2017 No.3252151 >>3252148 Loomis is legit, but the people is this board are legit shit. All of them. The people good at drawing aren't wasting their time on /ic/ talking to tards like you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:29:18 2017 No.3252154 >>3251606 Did you learn math from the inventor of math?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:29:35 2017 No.3252155 >>3252151 You just admit you're shit, why would I care about your opinion on Loomis? You're the only retard here it seems. Once again, you said Loomis is legit despite you also saying you're a shit artist. Don't you see how stupid you are?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:31:43 2017 No.3252160 >>3252155 Loomis is legit. I am a shit artist. Got a problem, bro? Not everyone is a cynical retard who thinks they're too good to read a fucking book.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:33:33 2017 No.3252161

>>3252160
I didn't say I was "too good to read a fucking book"
Also, Loomis himself did not need to read his own book to learn how to draw. You're a bad artist because you can't even figure out how to draw without someone holding your hand all the way through, and somehow you're STILL trash despite it. Why don't you shut the fuck up burger flipper. At least I make enough money to pay for bills after only a year.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:35:51 2017 No.3252164
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80 replies and no one posted art yet? I guess OP was right. I was actually wondering if loomis would help me get better. Im a shit artist no doubt but I don't believe i'm an absolute beginner. However I never practiced or learned so im kinda fucked at what starting point I should begin at. Got any recommendations. Posted is my most recent drawing thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:36:56 2017 No.3252165 >>3252151 >All of them. and you're the king >Loomis is legit lmao, yeah your moms asshole is legit too.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:38:10 2017 No.3252167

>>3252161
lol
>implying Loomis didn't read a book to learn how to draw
>implying that's why I'm a trash artist and not because I simply don't care because art is a hobby for me
>bragging about making enough money to pay the bills like everyone else
Congratz, bro. You're an adult now. Better start acting like one!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:39:23 2017 No.3252169 File: 356 KB, 812x1158, study+by+luca+cambiaso[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3251606 nope, cambiaso really worth studying his stuff in general for drawing, for elegance mainly

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:57:10 2017 No.3252187

>>3252167
You can't understand the point. Reading a book is okay, but you dummies need to quit pretending Loomis is the be all end all. Loomis is arguably one of the worst ways to learn about how to draw. Also, guess what? All those deviantart-tier artists are good despite being hobbyists. Guess what, a hobbyist wouldn't even be using books to begin with because it's not hard to just go ahead and draw and improve from there. Why would a hobbyist even give a shit about the details? You're stupid

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:03:08 2017 No.3252190

>>3252187
I agree with you, except for the deviantart-tier shit. that is probably the most cringeworthy website, period. the majority of the shit that is on deviantart gives me a fucking fullblown migrane.

Loomis is the quick enema for untalented, uninspired "I want to be more creative!" fags.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:14:09 2017 No.3252196 >>3252169 No one person invented construction you dumb fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:17:55 2017 No.3252199 >>3252187 >Reading a book is okay, but you dummies need to quit pretending Loomis is the be all end all No one pretends that it is. It's always just thrown around as a first step for beginners like you to get to learn about the fundamentals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:19:49 2017 No.3252201 >>3252196 [citation needed]

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:23:56 2017 No.3252203
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>>3252190
My bad, I was comparing deviantart to /ic/.

You can give this community a year time-frame and they still won't be able to find a single person to prove that it's not a meme.

>>3252164
Your art reminds me of the lessons taught in cgcookie. I hope you learned how to draw full bodies and not just faces.

>>3252199
>get to learn about the fundamentals

That's the thing, most of the other books on the shelf teach the fundamentals better than Loomis. Notice how not a single person who read the Loomis book is posting art to prove it's not a meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:24:08 2017 No.3252204 >>3252201 DaVinci did construction for starters to purge you ignorance, please lookup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anatomy

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:35:11 2017 No.3252216
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>>3252203
my anatomy is super stylized unfortunately. I used to draw full bodies a lot more before but felt my faces were lacking so ended up focusing a lot more on that. Also can't draw hands or feet to save my life so i mostly draw thighs and up.... I have so many areas to improve upon and don't know how to go about it desu. Just gonna have to draw a lot more this year.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:44:50 2017 No.3252229

>>3252203
>Notice how not a single person who read the Loomis book is posting art to prove it's not a meme.

Notice how not a single person who says Loomis is a meme is posting their art either? I mean, Loomis IS one of the most established art teachers in the world. It's people like you who have to prove their controversial statement here. Loomis gets recommended by the likes of Jeff Watts, Steve Huston, Alex Ross, lots of art schools and ateliers around the world etc, so you better prove that you somehow know better than all of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:47:09 2017 No.3252234 >>3252203 >That's the thing, most of the other books on the shelf teach the fundamentals better than Loomis. Those are all memes though. Post your work to prove they aren't a meme and you actually know your anatomy and fundamentals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 09:58:38 2017 No.3252242 >>3252229 Art schools & Teachers are a meme, they can't make a living off their own skill so they resort to just conning other people for a living. >>3252234 Just look at what, 100% of decent artists and know that none of them use loomis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 10:11:45 2017 No.3252252 >>3252216 How'd you practice drawing the mannequin thing of bodies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 10:13:10 2017 No.3252253 >>3251634 Ok then tough guy. What do you recommend?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 10:29:16 2017 No.3252268 >>3252253 Email any of your favorite artist who have a style direction you'd like to go in and ask them instead of anonymous people online. I got a 100% reply rate and those people give a clear path to reaching there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 10:42:56 2017 No.3252294 >>3252252 I just made up poses and drew what I thought looked right. When I first began I did a ton of 1 minute pose things but they didn't help much. Also I copied proportions from artists I liked. Measuring by headlengths.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 10:43:36 2017 No.3252295 >>3252268 Post proof of your emails

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 10:59:03 2017 No.3252311

>>3252042
Loomis didn't invent construction... He just wrote down guidelines he had picked up from other artists. Loomis's stuff isn't great and there's no reason for people to refer to Loomis when they talk about construction. However Loomis can be a good place for beginners to start.

When people say you need Loomis then it means you need construction. Only a dumbass would think it means "go worship Loomis".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:02:35 2017 No.3252317 >>3251600 Post your work so I can see if you need Loomis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:03:36 2017 No.3252318 >>3252317 But what does it mean to need Loomis?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:04:33 2017 No.3252320 >>3252318 Are you asking if it means you want his dick?

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:05:50 2017 No.3252323
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>why are the people on this board where only 5% actually draw and the rest of them spend far more time creating and posting in threads like this so bad at drawing

>it must be the author none of them read's fault!

uh...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:06:42 2017 No.3252324 So loomis teaches you a bunch of different conventions on how to draw such as construction in a very easy to understand way. Ultimately, you don't need to use loomis to learn these, but it's the best tool for learning those things imo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:07:38 2017 No.3252325 >>3252324 If Loomis is the best, what would be bad?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:10:54 2017 No.3252331 >>3252325 Bridgman, who teaches you nothing that isn't taught better with less inscrutable drawings elsewhere

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:11:48 2017 No.3252332 >>3252323 Is that what you wanted to tell those bad people who are likely stupid too?

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:22:05 2017 No.3252343
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>>3252295
Why do I have to post proof FFS? I'm the one helping you, and it only takes 2 minutes out of your day to do this and you lose nothing from trying. Pic-related was me talking to one of the animators for rockstar who worked on red dead redemption. All I did was look up his email and ask questions and we had a lot of back and forth.

It doesn't matter what company they're in, whether they're EA, or whether they work in the cartoon industry or w.e Don't you see those fucking credits at the end of every episode or when you beat a game? GOOGLE THOSE NAMES, look up their email and send them an email. They always reply and answer any question you have because 99% of the people in this industry are too retarded to even TRY this. You just sit here in an echo chamber of anonymous nobodies when all you have to do is just send a message to an artist who is in the field you want to be in. AND THEY WILL TELL YOU FUCKING EVERYTHING. Fuck you, and everyone else on this board, bunch of lazy fucks who probably don't even draw.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:23:48 2017 No.3252344 >>3252343 >Why do I have to post proof FFS? You don't. Stop falling for baits from shitters. It's not your responsibility to guide them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:28:48 2017 No.3252350 >>3252344 then why bother answering at all if you won't prove your claims? >>3252343 thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:30:39 2017 No.3252355 >>3252343 oops my bad, he didn't work on read dead redemption. I don't remember. I think I sent this email a year ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:30:52 2017 No.3252357 >same bait thread >works like a clock Top bait of December.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:32:24 2017 No.3252359

>>3252216

and here he says
>>3252226
>And I wish I new (sic!) how to construct my dude. I did it all freehand and from imagination to begin with.
did it all freehand and from imagination.
is really completely infested with construction crutches.

lmao, you lying coward.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:33:29 2017 No.3252363 >>3252357 you call it bait, because you dislike the thought of idol Loomis being criticized.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:33:58 2017 No.3252364

>>3252332
yes, the fact is that only a small portion of people who pursue art will ever see success with it regardless of their access to education because they're lazy, entitled and let's face it often mentally slow to boot. This is one reason why traditionally structured art schools with mandatory all-or-nothing participation are so unethical in my opinion. It's much better to encourage someone to study on their own (i.e. "LOOMIS!) knowing they likely won't do it anyway than telling them to go through that same cycle of misery but get exploited by an expensive school and ruin their chances at financial stability in their domestic life on top of it, gnomesaiyan?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:35:29 2017 No.3252365 File: 935 KB, 1516x1105, 49718298_p25.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Loomis is literally meme. Artist from picrelated said "Loomis is waste of time" in his old twitter. No one use construction. Check Japanese animators drawings

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:36:27 2017 No.3252366 Oh hey it's the Murata fanboy again. Post your work or fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:37:17 2017 No.3252367 >>3252359 >construction is a crutch >plumb lines are an illiusion >proportions are a lie >t. MOMAron, a guy that did one mediocre study once and thinks he's God's gift to all art

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:39:31 2017 No.3252370 File: 2.13 MB, 1889x4117, 1513967110553.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder. This is guy who argues with you.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:39:34 2017 No.3252371

>>3252365
unpopular opinion around Loomis-land /ic/

>>3252367
maybe this time, you don't miss the point, but I doubt it:

>>3252216

and here he says
>>3252226 →
>And I wish I new (sic!) how to construct my dude. I did it all freehand and from imagination to begin with.
did it all freehand and from imagination.
is really completely infested with construction crutches.

lmao, you lying coward.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:41:49 2017 No.3252373

reminder: this is the guy who hasn't shown his work to anyone, for the very same reason: probably highly infested with Loomisitis. none of them show their work, because it's average as fuck.

nobody "trashed" these drawings >>3252370 too bad you're not making a point with your obsessive compilation.

>>3252370
>>3252367

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:49:13 2017 No.3252380

>>3252373
>anon posted his work
>"anime trash lmao kid"
>anon posted Loomis sketches as his work
>"trashed"
>anon posted oil painting of some jap
>"trashed"
>anon posted merc_wip
>"trashed"
>anon posted sketches of student from Repin Academy
>"trashed"
Really makes you think.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:51:38 2017 No.3252383 >>3252380 you're attributing way too much to one anon, you paranoid little shitstain. also: post your work. funny how no one has trashed my drawings, which took not a single page of Loomis or any other Drawing for Dummies crap to make.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:56:06 2017 No.3252392 >>3252350 This is not a trial you autistic dumbass. Learn how to have a normal conversation.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 11:58:33 2017 No.3252395 File: 582 KB, 857x1142, ayyyy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252383

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 12:38:53 2017 No.3252420 >>3252392 >make a suggestion >have 0 means to prove his suggestion has value kys scum

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 12:44:23 2017 No.3252426

>>3251785

Super late long reply, but of course.

It's possible to visualize and draw any form ever, but it's also possible to lose that knowledge if say you don't draw enough, take long breaks, or have your focus split.

I've had times where I can think of overlapping anatomy and crazy perspective and visualize it fairly well so that I can repeat it on paper, but I've also had times where I don't have a clear mind or plain out forget and have to study again or refresh myself through others and my own material.

Nobodies ever really a perfect learning machine that remembers anything forever their first time learning it. Most people really do only cement this stuff in their head because they draw it continuously for long spans of time. I also work programming and it's the same exact thing, you just have to do alot if you want some incredible visual library. Also, like programming, the more you think about know about the construction of something and why it works the more likely you also are to remember it, instead of just doing it a bunch and recognizing patterns learn a bit, may help you retain. Works for me.

>>3251792

I'de argue when some spouts LOOMIS memes they're not really talking about Loomis but just general construction/book learning knowledge in total. Like Hampton or force drawing etc is probably just as good in any case. That being said alot of people on here like to talk about stuff they know little of so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 12:46:43 2017 No.3252434 >>3251634 Well apparently more japanese artists use Ken Hultgren and his book that's more collection of deviantart-style 'tutorials' than Loomis so that's not surprising.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 12:53:16 2017 No.3252438 >>3251783 Round ball thing with vertical and horizontal lines

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 12:56:04 2017 No.3252440 >>3252426 I heard that virgins & depressed people have trouble doing good at art because they lack the dopamine to help them focus and stay motivated. Is this true?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 13:13:05 2017 No.3252476 >>3252420 Live by your own standard then. Prove that kys solves problems through a demonstration.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 13:42:02 2017 No.3252522 >>3252365 So then how do you learn to draw

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 13:43:52 2017 No.3252524 >>3252522 If you're asking that question then you're NGMI. When Loomis first got into art, he didn't have his own book to use as reference. He also didn't have 4chan to ask other people. You need to leave because you will never learn to draw.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 13:45:12 2017 No.3252527 >>3252524 So then how do I learn to draw

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:02:02 2017 No.3252553 >>3252527 By killing yourself and hoping reincarnation is a thing so that you may get born with a higher iq.

>>	guy Thu Dec 28 14:05:57 2017 No.3252560 >>3252365 that probably contributes to the mediocrity of his work

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:14:14 2017 No.3252572
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>>3251600
Dude, wtf is even your point? Loomis is just a guy who's written a not that bad book on construction. If you're so cool you can handle something more complex and subtle, go use it, if not, why not read Loomis. I, personnaly, don't like him, because his drawings are kinda ugly for me, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't pick and use anything from his books.

Also, don't forget that animu-artists live in their own separate cauldron of weeaboo shit with their own memes and stuff, and Muragta isn't even that great at drawing people (tho, damn, his girls are hot).

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:17:32 2017 No.3252577 >>3252572 Murata is great at drawing people, you are forgetting that he has to draw based off ONE's comical designs. The drawings are intentionally off because of the source material or the way ONE requests it. Also >what is artstyle

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:21:48 2017 No.3252580 File: 212 KB, 969x1000, manga_vs_loomis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3251600

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:22:44 2017 No.3252583 >>3252577 Show me one picture that proves Murata's skill at drawing people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:25:08 2017 No.3252587 >>3252583 you never said what's bad about his characters.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:28:58 2017 No.3252594

>>3252587
Yeah, I didn't. I think it's kinda obvious, tho: he's drawing heavily stylized stuff where you can't exactly tell if his figure-drawing is any good or is it just him just being good with forms because of how simplified everything is. That's why I'm asking you to show me a decent human drawing by Murata. Just assuming that he can do it is not enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:33:12 2017 No.3252598 >>3252365 > Artist from picrelated said "Loomis is waste of time" in his old twitter. source of quote?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:35:00 2017 No.3252599 File: 283 KB, 1448x2048, DNfH3j1UEAAPUOu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was trawling my feeds and saw this. Looks pretty loomisy.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:35:59 2017 No.3252603
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>>3252594
Uh, so your issue is that he's drawing in a form that's best for context of his profession or what he's trying to accomplish? If these professionals ever took the advice from 4chan, then they'd lose all their fame and become nobodies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:37:14 2017 No.3252605 File: 102 KB, 500x690, __spider_man_marvel_and_spider_man_series_drawn_by_murata_yuusuke__5d33f04576711fc0add258d37695e6c9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252598 looks ok to me

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:38:30 2017 No.3252608 File: 390 KB, 850x1202, __armored_spider_man_brix_daemos_spider_man_and_spider_woman_marvel_and_spider_man_series_drawn_by_murata_yuusuke__sample-0d6c8b2fb208d2303334a51752a61194.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252605

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:39:20 2017 No.3252609 File: 416 KB, 850x1201, __assassin_spider_man_bora_cosmic_spider_man_six_arm_spider_man_solus_and_others_marvel_and_spider_man_series_drawn_by_murata_yuusuke__sample-767e13a0e10b7187ce73785941338629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252608

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:39:27 2017 No.3252610

>>3252603
No, my Issue with Murata is that his drawings are kinda soul-less and lack expressiveness apart from general animu tropes, but that's not the point here. The only thing I can see on your pic well-enough is a hot female body which is the only thing I'm sure he knows how to draw well. Like this one and the one for lolis, and that's all I've seen him do well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:39:57 2017 No.3252611 File: 352 KB, 850x1360, __spider_man_marvel_and_spider_man_series_drawn_by_murata_yuusuke__sample-1c4b2c711432293aea14b807562913e0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252609

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:41:00 2017 No.3252612 >>3252605 meant for >>3252594

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:44:29 2017 No.3252613
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>>3252610
Because they aren't toony like pixar? He can do it when it's needed. People were wearing masks in that picture and it was intended to be more serious cause they're fighting and he was replicating a more comic-book style.

Go check out eyeshield, he draws men just fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:46:35 2017 No.3252617 >>3252612 What's going on with his arm? Is it a deltoid or does he have two bicepses?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:47:25 2017 No.3252619 >>3252610 >can only draw hot female bodies sure, dunning kruger-kun >>3252605 >>3252608 >>3252609 >>3252611

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:47:37 2017 No.3252620

>>3251600
Haha, this is the absolute state of /ic/.

Loomis (along many others) teach construction, and you absolutely need to have an idea about how to construct your sketches to draw anything, even manga.
Yes, there are other methods out there but they all teach the same thing, visualize 3d shapes on a 2d plane (paper, monitor, ect).

Artists who practice construction A LOT can eventually do this step in their mind, which in turn makes retards like OP think that they skip it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:48:27 2017 No.3252621 >>3252617 It's the deltoid, if you're talking about the muscle directly connected to the shoulder

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:49:19 2017 No.3252622

>>3252613
If you want to draw cartoons, you might not even need to know that much about figure drawing. This is not "just fine" this is stylized. It's a cool drawing, but not something I'd use as a reference of how human should be drawn. Look. Murata has his strong points, but at this moment you fail to show that this is one of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:50:22 2017 No.3252624 >>3252621 It's a really weird picture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:52:24 2017 No.3252625 >>3252624 I don't think it's weird.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:52:31 2017 No.3252626 >>3252624 Thank you for the well thoughtout, in-depth and def not gut-reactionary analysis there, kruger-kun

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:58:38 2017 No.3252631 >>3252622 Drawing stiff as fuck "humans" will never pay your bills. No one likes boring trash, Anime art is better. >>3252620 wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 14:58:54 2017 No.3252633 >>3252626 So much salt in response to a simple opinion. You should monetize this skill and become a salt manufacturer.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:01:58 2017 No.3252640

>>3252631
>Drawing stiff as fuck "humans" will never pay your bills. No one likes boring trash, Anime art is better.
You can earn your money drawing Dilbert or concept arts for Dishonored. If you really want to make money, you don't even need to draw, study some marketing or networking and go help rich people in money-laundering schemes by shitting on ornamented plates and calling it art.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:02:40 2017 No.3252641 >>3252633 I'm amazed that you haven't figured out yet that all good anime artists use "Loomis" even if they have never read a Loomis book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:04:50 2017 No.3252642 >>3252641 How did you even come to that conclussion? Have I made even one claim about Loomis thus far except for this one >>3252572?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:07:10 2017 No.3252646 >>3252642 >How did you even come to that conclussion? By not being autistic to the point of only understanding thing literally and knowing what people are talking about when they use the meme "Loomis".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:10:42 2017 No.3252657 >>3252646 I think you've either responded to a wrong post or you are trying to bullshit us both.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:11:36 2017 No.3252659

>>3252633
You claimed Murata is bad at figure drawing, and get shown a well-executed figure drawing by him
But all you can respond with is "double biceps lmao (im really confused about anatomy please help)" and "so weird lmao (not tellling why tho)"
Confronted, all you can say is "so salty lmao"
Please help me understand you here

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:15:20 2017 No.3252661 >>3252657 ...maybe. This thread is a mess though. Between all the post stuff, kruger, loomis, salt and other memes it's getting a bit hard to keep up with people's arguments.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:22:32 2017 No.3252669 >tfw you wake up and the thread has 70 more posts

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:23:07 2017 No.3252672

>>3252659
Well, the problem is it doesn't look well executed. It looks like he's confused about what exactly is he drawing. It's not awful but it's definitely not an example one should follow. His Spidey 2099 is even worse: he lookd like he'd missed every leg day ever while having tumorous triceps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:31:56 2017 No.3252685 >bait still works bueno

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:32:22 2017 No.3252686

>>3252196
In much the same way that Brunelleschi is credited for figuring out how linear perspective works in spite of people already drawing things foreshortened and whatnot, it wouldn't surprise me that someone out there did in fact figure out how to apply a more-than-usual constructive approach.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:37:42 2017 No.3252694 >>3252365 >No one use construction eat shit anon. everyone uses a type of construction. those who don't get it should stay in /beg/ until they do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:44:42 2017 No.3252704 >>3252268 >style That usually means outline thickness and renders and palette and stuff more than "teach me where stuff goes on the face"

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 15:46:59 2017 No.3252707

>>3252371
Wtf are you talking about? Yes yhe one in feburary the top one was construction based like a ton of my art from that point. The one from yesterday was just painted without construction. I just put down botches of paint and drew. It was a new way of starting for me and I liked the result.
Also qhqt the fuck is your infatuation with me you faggit fuck you talk a lot of shit but where the fuck is your art? Coward ass fag.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:03:13 2017 No.3252736 >>3252440 Lmao, as funny as that comment is it's probably true. Lacking that motivation and being depressed from one point or another definitely has to hinder your art progress. Probably lose a lot of interest and self worth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:23:51 2017 No.3252777 File: 278 KB, 420x410, 1514318315582.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What a jolly bait thread holy fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:25:47 2017 No.3252781 >>3251600 It's a meme. Loomis is a meme to waste peoples time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:37:05 2017 No.3252793 >>3252365 >No one use construction But I can see construction in that drawing you posted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:45:47 2017 No.3252806 >>3252685 >>3252777 If you don't think people like >>3252781 are being serious then it is probably you who are being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:53:33 2017 No.3252815 File: 46 KB, 460x427, 1513056714820.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252806 >Prove to me that Loomis isn't for dumbasses. >180 replies >(You) being retarded sweet summer child

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 16:56:05 2017 No.3252816 File: 3 KB, 698x1284, n8umjWj.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252815 >p-people didn't respond how I wanted them to pic related is you

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:02:46 2017 No.3252821

>>3251600
All art books are a trap designed to sabotage you. Same for doing studies of other artists' work. Never do that. You can only become a good artist by working in a vacuum and adhering to no rules or methods at all. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, they are just trying to destroy you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:08:35 2017 No.3252829 >>3252821 This.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:14:04 2017 No.3252836 Who exactly is this thread meant to help? This just seems like one of those " being a bitter faggot for the sake of being a bitter faggot" threads

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:15:56 2017 No.3252838 >>3252836 ngmi

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:21:00 2017 No.3252846 >>3252631 >wrong no, u! At least give a counter-argument you low effort troll.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:21:51 2017 No.3252848 >>3252148 I don't get the argument here. Clearly the people who are good never needed loomis in the first place and the people who are shit probably wouldn't be much better without it in the first place

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 17:39:58 2017 No.3252860 File: 464 KB, 1015x719, 44438021_p24.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252365 >7 (You)s Not bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 18:25:24 2017 No.3252903 >>3252617 Everyone has two bicepses

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 18:35:56 2017 No.3252922
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>>3252395

typical, you're stuck in greyscale studies, not even close to developing your own art. laughable little dirtstain. your dad should have just jerked off instead of putting that genetic dirt in your mom that you became.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 18:52:43 2017 No.3252955 File: 145 KB, 1143x1467, merc-wip-final.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252922 that's all you can? show me your best

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 18:53:29 2017 No.3252957 >>3252922 Everyones waiting for yours bigmouth

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 18:57:38 2017 No.3252962
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>>3252395
>>3252955
>>3252957
you can't keep up with my expert grinding of realism. i'm so into realism, i've absorbed all of Loomisian knowledge. i'm beyond you. if any of you /beg/ers have any questions, sacrifice one drawing to me in a video and you will be heard.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:02:57 2017 No.3252965
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repeat after me:
- thou shall grind Loomis every day
- all heads are spheres and circles
- you can only git gud by drawing circles, dividers, measuring and doing cross-hatching like Loomis did
- thou shall not have any Loomis beside Loomis
- read the sticky
- construction is your daily bread
- abstract art is bad, mkay

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:17:12 2017 No.3252978 File: 125 KB, 1199x736, DSIcxIyVAAAEOpo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wish you guys would stop fighting. I wish we could all get along and draw good-looking women in peace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:19:32 2017 No.3252981 >>3252978 Can that be done without construction?

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:25:50 2017 No.3252986

>>3252848
>I don't get the argument here. Clearly the people who are good never needed loomis in the first place and the people who are shit probably wouldn't be much better without it in the first place.

So you are talking from personal experience, right? What people who are already good need is not important here. If you could make it on your own you wouldn't be here complaining about teaching methods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:29:06 2017 No.3252989 File: 543 KB, 200x200, 200px-Deltoid_muscle_animation4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3252617 wtf. <-Here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:50:49 2017 No.3253022 >>3252986 I'm not though all im doing is complaining about people who are complaining about teaching methods

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 19:54:02 2017 No.3253031 >>3252978 unlikely becasue as soon as we start posting work or what we find aesthetically pleasing we will get crab mother fuckers shitting on our tastes. Not even anything constructive just rancid shit.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 20:01:17 2017 No.3253042
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OP has to be right if no one can prove him wrong. All it would take is for someone, to show their work and prove they got good through Loomis. It's not hard, unless Loomis itself isn't legit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 20:10:25 2017 No.3253056 >>3253042 who made this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 20:18:16 2017 No.3253064 >>3253056 SOMEONE WHO DIDNT STUDY LOOMIS

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 20:19:09 2017 No.3253066 >>3253042 This, the closest answer is that loomis doesn't mean loomis and that all construction is loomis or something

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 20:24:52 2017 No.3253070 File: 2.20 MB, 610x350, sbc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well played OP.

Anonymous Thu Dec 28 20:24:57 2017 No.3253071
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>>3253066
Wait, why not just use the word construction then if it just means another word? Why give credit to one guy, it misleads beginners into reading his books and doing it the shitty way when there's better tutorials for learning construction. Why would you do this? Just so you can stroke your ego and never "lose" an argument?

"HAH, I meant Loomis as in CONSTRUCTION HURR YOU CAN'T SAY I AM WRONG NOW" It's fucking stupid, and I won't take it seriously. Loomis means the person, and in the context of learning how to draw it means using what he explicitely states in his books. Use the word construction when you mean construction or get off of this board.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 22:51:20 2017 No.3253228 >>3253071 Your post needs more Loomis

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 23:00:13 2017 No.3253243 >>3253071 cause its more fun to say loomis than construction

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 23:01:47 2017 No.3253245 >>3253071 It’s newfags trying to fit in. Loomis always meant Loomis.

Anonymous Fri Dec 29 04:07:41 2017 No.3253517

>>3253071

but it's also his teaching that leads to bland results. he doesn't only teach construction, but also how you should cross-hatch and build shading, all in his very peculiar, sterile style. seen a lot of Loomis students copy it in a Frankenstein's monster sort of fashion. blind encorporartion of construction isn't the only trap Loomis provides.
it's unfair to bash him for how stupid and untalented his students are, but warning about using Loomis as a blueprint for someones style is a legit criticism.

Anonymous Fri Dec 29 07:55:15 2017 No.3253664

>>3253071
>Wait, why not just use the word construction then if it just means another word?

Because the sticky links Loomis as a suggestion for construction for beginners. But 4chan seems to attract a lot of autistic people (new and old-timers) who can't decipher such a connection. Unfortunately for them a lot of the other regulars just think that's funny.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 29 14:02:14 2017 No.3253982 >>3252365 This >>3252793. Construction doesn't mean you have to do literally the whole picture in cylinders.

Anonymous Fri Dec 29 14:17:29 2017 No.3254010

I think Loomis is not good for construction since he always draws this ambiguous strokes on his work which confound me, are those small subtleties of muscles? if so, why aren't they constant and appear in similar drawings?

Really, those "how to draw manga" books have helped me more with their industrial design type drawings, despite me not being a fan of Anime ( I hate Japan's culture even more than Cali culture or even negro culture).

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