/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3250605]

how the fuck do tumblrinas draw appealing shit from imagination with seemingly no practice, whereas i've been studying loomis and all those other faggots and I STILL CANT DRAW FOR SHIT

i know tumblrinas do the shit like big red noses, forced diversity, etc., but a lot of them have a fairly appealing style, or at least it doesnt look like chicken scratch beginner shit. my stuff STILL looks like chicken scratch beginner shit, and i've been studying anatomy.

i got into this wanting to just draw crappy cartoons and anime porn. after doing all this study, my art still looks like it was done by an autistic 12 year old.

should i just give up already?

[Anonymous No.3250606]

Because unlike you, they actually draw a lot.

[Anonymous No.3250607]

>>3250605
>translation: i've done nothing but master studies for 2 weeks where is improvement pls
draw more of what you want to draw faggot.

[Anonymous No.3250608]

i don't get it either, it's fucking depressing

[Anonymous No.3250610]

>>3250606
ive drawn a fair amount over the past 3 years. i still feel like ive only gotten a hair better from where i was 3 years ago. i also feel like i shouldnt have to draw 24 hours a day to notice SOME improvement, at least.

>>3250607
been at this for like 3 years now. not seeing any improvement.

[Anonymous No.3250611]

>>3250605
>tumblrina

Your art looks like a kid's because you are a kid.

Global rule 2, mate. Wonder what your parents would think seeing you on naughty sites like this one.

[Anonymous No.3250614]

>>3250611
lol i typically dont like tumblr shit. but you have to admit that a lot of the stuff that gets shared around doesnt look so amateur. they have a specific line style, color, etc.

its definitely not 100% beginner tier, which is where i feel like I am now, despite studying this shit for 3 years, drawing since i was younger, getting all the art books, etc.

[Anonymous No.3250616]

>>3250605
If you practice drawing from studies you will get better drawing studies. If you practice drawing from imagination you will get better at drawing from imagination.

[Anonymous No.3250619]

>>3250616
ive noticed some slight improvement in drawing from studies.

ive noticed barely any improvement from drawing from imagination. i dont know if i buy this platitude

[Anonymous No.3250626]

>>3250605
>but a lot of them have a fairly appealing style

Like who?

[Anonymous No.3250629]

>>3250619
Shutup idiot, if you can't make it it's your own fault. Stop intruding on my just-world beliefs with the insinuation that uncontrollable factors like luck, intelligence, and age could possibly have a major influence on my ability to compete with other artists after the same goal, aka making it.

[Anonymous No.3250631]

>>3250626
i dont know. its not master work, but tumblrina shit generally looks like NOT complete garbage. its not chicken scratch 12 year old anime drawing on looseleaf paper, is what im saying.

[Anonymous No.3250636]

>>3250605
OP I was thinking about this earlier. While I'm sitting here grinding fundies there are artists who aren't that much better than me and yet they're able to make appealing stuff and get tons of notes. They have a style and imagination. It almost looks like they have an unlimited imagination and just know what to draw.

I was looking through deviantart for example and all the beginners are so creative and they don't worry about fundies. This is a lost carefee thing I no longer have because of this whole loomis trite. I was wondering how do I get it back?

The answer might really just be instead of looking at the sakimichans and the Kim Jung gis for for quote on quote "Inspo" look at beginners work and just steal from them and retell it with your own flair. It kinda dawned on me when I looked through some youtube videos of people just redrawing others lame anime OCs. If you do it enough you can get back that childlike imagination.

[Anonymous No.3250640]

>>3250636
yep, i have zero imagination.

i feel like i had so much when i was younger. i would do graphic design and make random website themes all the time. i still sucked at drawing back then.

years later i had all of these ideas and i would write them all down. now i dont get them anymore. all i think about is the other shit i study, how to get money, etc.

[Anonymous No.3250649]

>>3250640
Stop fapping so much.

[Anonymous No.3250650]

>>3250640
It might just be something that comes with age. But hope isn't lost; you'll just need to retrain yourself to have a creative mind as queer as that sounds.

[Anonymous No.3250657]

>>3250605
https://twitter.com/SarahCAndersen/status/943504157960421377
I don't know, depends on how true this is and the thread it invoked.

[Anonymous No.3250667]

>>3250605

>tumblrina shit
>posts drawing by one of the best animators in the world

k lol

[Anonymous No.3250676]

>>3250667
yeah obviously that's not tumblrina shit... I just posted a random pic

[Anonymous No.3250697]

>>3250605
Draw crappy cartoons and anime porn then.
Also post work, I want to know how shit you are.

[Anonymous No.3250720]

>>3250605
The majority of western tulmbr shit is pretty unapealing, flat off-center facial features, man chin galore, "thicc" proud POCs, gender, etc.
Now Jap tumblr style is on a whole nother level. How the fuck do they do it?

[Anonymous No.3250722]

>>3250605
Drop loomis, boxes, whatever other meme you fell for and just draw what you like till it looks good

[Anonymous No.3250814]

>>3250722
That doesn't work. Proof: Look up your own work right now.

[Anonymous No.3250817]

>>3250610
If you can't see no improvement, you might be doing it wrong.
A thing I noticed with a lot of tumbr artist is that they drew a LOT of fanart for their favorite TV shows when they were younger. Of course you'll be decent at drawing cartoons, if you copied hundreds of sailor moon frames.

Normal peoplr get into art first and thrn decide to back up theit knowlege by books. Art is not an MMORPG.

>>3250720
The have early access to anime/manga/games, a trained hand by writing kanji and, most importantly, enough self awareness/pride/shame to not post total shit on the intetnet.
This makes it seem like there are less shitty japanese artists on the internet. The truth is the shitty ones just rarely post.

[Anonymous No.3250827]

>>3250814
So where's the proof that loomis works? Literally nobody who spouts the loomis meme here can back it up with work

[Anonymous No.3250829]

>>3250827
That's like saying construction doesn't work which every artist will tell you that you're wrong and likely show you.

[Anonymous No.3250831]

>>3250605
It's because you've got autism. And not the fun kind like KJG.
Keep drawing if you want and enjoy it, but you're never going to "make it"

[Anonymous No.3250832]

>>3250829
So no proof then like usual. Got it

[Anonymous No.3250833]

>>3250831
OP never mentioned anything about making it anyways. OP just wants to know how to draw confidently and relatively well.

[Anonymous No.3250834]

>>3250832
Yeah there's absolutely zero proof that construction works.

[Anonymous No.3250838]

>>3250834
construction=/=loomis

[Anonymous No.3250840]

>>3250838
Jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.3250873]

>>3250605
For one, post your work so we can make a fair assessment of what's holding you back. 3 years with no meaningful progress is pretty crazy. It might just be that you have improved, you're just overly critical. On the other hand, you might have been learning for 3 years, but not drawing enough. If you're not putting enough pencil to paper hours in, you simply won't get better no matter how many years pass.

Finally, it might just be that you lack the talent. However, plenty of talentless artists who have a decent enough level to get paid for their work exist. For example, look at Iron Stylus.

[Anonymous No.3250874]

>>3250605
because they like drawing and they have ideas they want to draw. you probably want to draw because you want people to praise you or some shit.

[Anonymous No.3250879]

Maybe because they actually learn and experiment with things when they draw. Drawing what you see everyday is a start, but you also gotta engage your brain a bit more and take mental notes of what the fuck you’re even doing.
Also please stop saying tumblerina. It’s really silly.

[Anonymous No.3250880]

>>3250827
What do you even mean by that? Loomis works because "Loomis" is just the basics of art fundamentals. No one gives a shit whether you actually learn them from Loomis or any other decent teacher. Saying Loomis doesn't work is literally saying the fundamentals of art don't work. All he does is teach the basics of perspective, proportion, composition and anatomy. He doesn't teach anything controversial that could be argued as being ineffective or irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.3250907]

>>3250605
Hi OP, are you assuming they don't have references and often other works? many newbies simply copy, alter, don't give any credits and don't care; then collect views and likes and "make others jelly" like it means something. When someone apparently draws well without learning, they almost always copy or are subtly clumsy.

[Anonymous No.3250908]

>>3250907
also pls link tumblerinas, thanks

[Anonymous No.3250909]

>>3250605
OP pls link tumblrinas

[Anonymous No.3250910]

>>3250605
Then stop "studying".

You want to git gud quick or see progression? This is how you do it.
Draw cringe, it can be whatever, fuck it up. After you fuck up, ask yourself basic questions like;
>How did my favorite artists draw this?
>How can I break up my favorite artists work using the methods I've studied
>How do I apply the things I've learned into my personal work
>What are ways to fix my character's face?

And so forth. This will take you over 100 attempts in order to fix it. When you study anything whether an animal or your favorite art, you need to make several attempts to break it down. One, two, or even 10 attempts on the same picture isn't enough. You gotta break it the fuck down.

Apply what you have learned into your personal work. All the while, studying Vilppu or whatever subject closely relates to your goals.

[Anonymous No.3250916]

It's mostly a matter of confidence.

[Anonymous No.3250918]

at the end of every study session do one or two imagination drawing...

[Anonymous No.3250923]

post tumblr art and your art for examples fag

[Anonymous No.3251044]

>>3250910
The most Insightful thing anyone on /ic/ has ever posted.

[Anonymous No.3251046]

>>3250910
>>3251044

For f*cking real

[Anonymous No.3251059]

>>3250605
I feel you, OP. The pain, the frustration...
The thing you need to understand is that appeal is like one of the fundies - it's complex and it should be studied just like perspective or anatomy. It includes stuff like gesture, rhythm, contrast, anticipation, simplicity, closure, exaggeration, harmony... all found in nature as well as good art.
Take >>3250720 's pic and look for those things, see how areas of high contrast flow into areas of low con., simple shapes, readable silhouettes and pushed rhythms, big/medium/small divisions etc.
These things aren't random, anon.

You've been improving your construction while they've been improving their appeal, right?
So "tumblrinas" will suck at construction until they study it, and you'll suck at appeal until you study that.

>>3250827
>>3250834
>>3250832
>>3250829
I use construction and there's a loomis head under that girl's face.
It's far from perfect, but construction is a tool and loomis is a good teacher. You need to know how to use your tools and how to be a good student.

[Anonymous No.3251065]

>>3250910
>then stop "studying"
>describes the process of studying something

[Anonymous No.3251067]

OP, when you say tumblrina, do you mean fan artists like p-curlyart and ieafy, who focus on prints for conventions and cellphone charms?
Do you mean pros like sachin-teng and teaganwhite, who focus on slightly higher-end prints?
Either way, these artists have found themselves a niche. Something that they love drawing, that they can draw repeatedly in new ways.
Find something that you love and draw it a lot. From reference, from memory, distort and destroy it until you find your niche.
Can't find something you love? Start a new blog, keep it clean, and draw pokemon. Lots and lots of pokemon. Make sure you tag your shit so ppl can see it.

[Anonymous No.3251074]

>>3250605
They are driven by positive reinforcement
you are grappling with the urge to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.3251092]

>>3250605
A lot of these girls have been drawing since middle school.

[Anonymous No.3251117]

>>3250910
>This will take you over 100 attempts in order to fix it.
And whole day for one picture. Meanwhile some talented fag will do it in 15min.

[Anonymous No.3251169]

>>3250879
yo who drew that beauty?

[Anonymous No.3251179]

>>3251117
They can do it in 15 mins because they practiced the subject since they were kids. Talent...

[Anonymous No.3251187]

>>3251117
Wrong. Good artists tend to spend longer on individual images than beginners do. One of the problems most beginners have is that they have some kind of fear of going back to an image the next day. Everything has to be finished in one session and that naturally leads to worse art.

[Anonymous No.3251189]

>>3251117
>not willing to spend more than a single day on a study
>attributes success of people who do to talent

[Anonymous No.3251205]

>>3251169
Mark Tansey, an American painter who specializes in monochromatic art.

[Anonymous No.3251218]

>>3251117
>Meanwhile some talented fag will do it in 15min.

On camera, yes.
Outside the camera, takes just as long as anyone else. Pros are more than capable of drawing cringe if it's outside their style.

NOW QUIT LOOKING FOR EXCUSES AND GET BACK TO DRAWING!!
And if you're not enjoying the processes, then quit drawing. Easy.

[Anonymous No.3251220]

>>3251218
Oops, meant to quote this >>3251117

[Anonymous No.3251253]

>>3250910

But that IS studying

[Anonymous No.3251254]

>>3251253
ikr, people have like 'doing a study' and studying as separate mental things for whatever reason. i think it's because people call copies studies now

[Anonymous No.3251257]

>>3251253
Maybe they’re suggesting OP just looks at stuff and draws without asking questions. It’s difficult to comprehend a subject if you’re not curious about it. I’m not saying ask pointless questions like “where did my subject come from?” Ask artistically relevant questions like, “how does the light play on my subject?”

[Anonymous No.3251283]

>>3250605
It may look good, but behind the aesthetic is a hollow structure.
I'm relearning my approach to drawing so I can become a good draftsmen.

[Anonymous No.3251316]

>>3251117
even if that were true, how would bitching about it do you any good? clearly that method doesn't work for you, so why not try something else instead of lingering?

[Anonymous No.3251318]

>>3250605
lots of tumblr artists "learn" by copying other artists stringently and are incapable of doing anything other than their own style. they stagnate more easily and a lot of artists on tumblr that i've seen regress, rather than progress. it's a bad way to be.

[Anonymous No.3251324]

from spinoff /jp/

[Anonymous No.3251327]

>>3251324
/ic/ still feels that way. Never change.

[Anonymous No.3251342]

>>3250910

>then stop "studying"
>all you have to do (explains studying process)

[Anonymous No.3251362]

>>3251342
Anon meant don't do the "studying" as in directionlessly doing exercises.

[Anonymous No.3251390]

>>3251253
>>3251342
>The word Studying is in quotations
>Not understanding the context even when it's literally spelled out

You guys need to learn how to read before attempting anything else in life.

[Anonymous No.3251402]

>>3251390
How to learn how to read?

[Anonymous No.3251406]

>>3251402
>Go to /lit/
>See the sticky
>There's a language teaching course by Loomis

No matter where I go, I can't escape!!!

[Anonymous No.3251412]

>>3251402
>>3251406
start with the greeks. they are the first loomis

[Anonymous No.3251436]

>>3251324
But what if I just can't draw people in general. Do I gotta reference everything to start

[Anonymous No.3251444]

>>3250629
Hope you've calmed down, Anon.

[Anonymous No.3251445]

>>3251436

That applies when you know basic knowledge of something. If you don't know general anatomy then you have more important things to be worrying about first. However this does not mean sit there and grind anatomy for 5 years in the snowy mountains of China.

The way I see it, finished work>"studies" in the sense you're studying something to make your work better rather than studying 600 references so that one day you'll be able to draw sasuke getting anally ravaged by goku. If you draw DBZ all the time then the process of ref to study to completion gets quicker.

----
On a side note, you don't want to be like those people in the /las/ threads. There is one person who looks like they have the general idea in that thread...Fluff was their name. But his "process" isn't unique, I've seen some Jap youtubers do the same thing by taking their time to finish something.

[Anonymous No.3251451]

>>3251445
Here is a basic idea. To foreigner it looks like it's some kind of soft tutorial to others but in actuality it's a study for the artist.

[Anonymous No.3251477]

>>3250605
because you're not having fun, whereas these people draw for leisure.

[Anonymous No.3251536]

>>3250605
>tumblr artist
>refs show up 24/7 on the dashboard especially if you follow an artist
>refs are not 100% anatomically correct, it holds your hand through the process and it generally looks pretty good
>not master artist work but if you know what youre doing you can do good shit
>even though some art looks like shit everyone is supportive

>/ic/ artists
>believe you cant your own style
>bend over backwards to swallow loomis' dick
>"post work."
>circlejerk
>hate on others constantly in the form of unsolicited "critique"
>never help others

I'm thinking tumblr is in the right here when it comes to the "having fun" aspect

[Anonymous No.3251541]

>>3251536
How did this happen? Why is one community so different to the other despite both having tons of people and involve art?

[Anonymous No.3251543]

>>3251451
Nice.
Got anymore and source?

[Anonymous No.3251547]

>>3251536
it all depends on the person. the only way anyone's really fucking up is if they're OP and can't figure out why they're not getting any better at the things they're not trying very hard at. that said, having fun sounds a lot healthier.

>>3251541
a decade+ of culture built around the idea of being anonymous vs a relatively much newer 'social media' site that encourages people to interact with each other and maintain their presence online

[Anonymous No.3251558]

>>3251044
This

[Anonymous No.3251569]

>>3251065
>>3251253
>>3251342
It's almost like studying with scare quotes is implied to be something different than without scare quotes.

[Anonymous No.3251593]

>>3250605
Because most of them are ugly fat girls or fags. They end up getting bullied from the start of primary school to the point of being loners. This makes them turn to other activities such as drawing and fantasizing on the internet. That's why all those weird weaboo knobs in high school end up better than you at drawing.

[Anonymous No.3251595]

>>3251593
Then why is /ic/ terrible?

[Anonymous No.3251599]

>>3251595
because most of them are men who commonly have different focus for most of their lives. The few women on this board who are spill off from cgl or lolcow aren't ogres so they were able to socialize with others.

[Anonymous No.3251651]

>>3251547
4chan is only about 4 years older than tumblr. tumblr is almost 11 years old.

[Anonymous No.3251668]

>>3250832
What is the Renaissance

[Anonymous No.3251997]

>>3250605
>>3251595
>>3251541

[Anonymous No.3251998]

>>3251997
pic

[Anonymous No.3251999]

>>3251593
What fucking parallel universe do you come from where /ic/ isn’t populated entirely by chronically bullied loner weebshitters

[Anonymous No.3252044]

>>3251543
https://twitter.com/otogeri/status/913411578170449922

[Anonymous No.3252059]

>>3250907
This

[Anonymous No.3252063]

>>3250907
>subtly clumsy
What did anon mean by this

[Anonymous No.3252186]

Studying Loomis isn't enough, you have to PRACTICE Loomis.
Also, they surely draw a lot more than you.

[Anonymous No.3252236]

>>3250910
This is good...

[Anonymous No.3252284]

>>3250910
saved this, will change my whole perspective on how I spend my time with art.

thanks m8.

[Anonymous No.3252288]

>>3252284
are you samefagging or like are people here really dumb lol

[Anonymous No.3252306]

the world is going to laugh at you if you subscribe to such manbaby snowflake shit like 'tumblrinas can't art'.

you basically got tricked by that guy who thinks his is ex is a super crazy bitch and has been alone for 10 years' memes made using random pictures of fat people with dyed hair.

meanwhile alpha intersectional kids are hooking up 100 times and their still lives actually look good

[Anonymous No.3252310]

>>3252288
are you this dumb or is this whole board just dumb?

I'm so special, I get to make criticism without any substance, you dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.3252333]

>>3252306
Untwist your pantalones, m'lady

[Anonymous No.3252494]

1) instead of complaining on the internet, they practice and draw. They have the time to do it because they are younger and just in school instead of doing work. They also probably don't focus on school either.
2) they experiment instead of just studying "Master Loomis". They study other art styles and emulate what they like, which is usually shit like SU and Adventure Time and all that. Compare that to your Master Loomis. Repetition is good, but you won't learn without experimenting.

Stop bitching about how good other people are and experiment.

[Anonymous No.3252501]

>>3252494

When I was younger, like 13, there were no resources on the internet besides whatever was on piratebay or demonoid etc--and it wasn't much. Downloading torrents often took weeks on DSL. In the advent of broadband and every child having access to the web at an early age (2012ish forward) you can pretty much say this generation (right now) is in a far better position.

It's just not fair, man.

[Anonymous No.3252533]

>>3252501
Yes, while this generation has it a little easier because they can use the internet at an earlier age and with more information, remember that you have it, too. It isn't like once you reach a certain age that you can't get any better. To think that is just foolish. Keep practicing and experiment outside of just Loomis or whatever.

[Anonymous No.3253286]

>>3250722
Do this but don't drop looms

[Anonymous No.3253292]

>>3252501

Not strictly true. Loomis was already a thing on art forums in the early 2000's and all his books readily available for download, you must have looked in the wrong places. Sijun was the shit back then when Mullins was actively participating

[Anonymous No.3253554]

>>3252288
i think this is the most obnoxious post i've ever read.

[Anonymous No.3253570]

>>3253554
ty. they are dum tho

[Anonymous No.3253673]

>>3252501
The art industry is rapidly growing, the required skill level for entry rising with it, and thanks to the internet you now have to compete with Chinese render monkeys and Polish photobashers for every commission. Even Feng admits he was lucky to get into the industry before concept art and everything became a major thing. There are pros and cons to everything.

[Anonymous No.3254905]

bump

[Anonymous No.3254926]

>>3252494
Just because someone told you to study Loomis after they saw your shit work doesn't mean they hold Loomis in any particularly high regard. He's simply the usually easiest first stop for beginners such as yourself to learn about the fundamentals. So can you please stop pretending already that Loomis is some revered art deity on /ic/?

[Anonymous No.3254958]

>>3250880
it's really for the "creative hobbyists" though. there is not a single successful artist outside of mediocre commission jobs who says "you should study loomis, like i did".

[Anonymous No.3254969]

>>3254958
What on earth makes you think that? Loomis gets recommended left and right by successful artists. Especially in the comic book industry. Alex Ross is such a big advocate of Loomis that he even wrote an introduction foreword in one of the Loomis book re-prints.

If anything, it's the exact opposite. The only people I have ever seen who have a truly negative opinion of Loomis are /beg/ tier shitters from /ic/. Some professional might not have studied Loomis but rather one of the other interchangable books like Bridgeman or Hogarth, but will still admit that the Loomis books are a valuable resource to learn from.

[Anonymous No.3254975]

>>3254969

loomis is the "how to do it" enema for: animation, illustration, comic, cartoon and brand logo commission stuff.

for anything that is even close to free artistic works, loomis is a dead-end road.

[Anonymous No.3254983]

>>3250874
This. Even if they suck, tumblerites actually draw a lot and have passion for it. You on the other hand are just a retarded faggot who has to force himself to draw and needs "motivation" or "inspiration"

[Anonymous No.3255039]

>>3250874
That sounds about right, actually.

[Anonymous No.3255136]

>>3251998
only reason to come to ic is artbooks
nothing else
ffs even r9k is better

[Anonymous No.3255139]

>>3254975
He's just someone who teaches anatomy, composition and perspective in a beginner friendly way. Is "free artistic work" code for abstract and conceptual "art"? Then yeah, no shit you don't need Loomis for that.

[Anonymous No.3255531]

>>3250910
I-is her spine broken...?

[Anonymous No.3255532]

>>3255531
No.

[Anonymous No.3255569]

>>3250605
a lot of what /ic/ gears you to learn is for concept art based work. While Illustration/ more cartoony work can benefit from doing old master copies, theres other shit to be learned like shape language, how to construct appealing compositions, etc.

The /ic/ way isn't want you get taught in art college for the most part- its only one path to getting good and not the end all be all and definitely not suited for everyone. Do master copies of the sort of work you want to be making along with the old masters.

[Anonymous No.3255633]

>>3251059
I know you didn't ask for crits anon but her extended arm looks too long (or her legs too short)
That might just be because I've been drawing fashion figures though

[Anonymous No.3255691]

First of all don't work solely to spite tumorinas, that's a bad work ethic. Secondly, tumor artists like to reduce their art to the simplest aesthetics. Thick outlines, big eyes stuff has a base aesthetic appeal with little effort, so it can easily look better than zone of proximal development work that may have another uncanny valley feel before being mastered. The person who never made a mistake never tried anything new and all that.

[Anonymous No.3255948]

Post your work so I can say nice things about it, OP

[Anonymous No.3257662]

bump-a-rooney

[Anonymous No.3257787]

>>3251451
/beg/ here, just wondering, shouldn't the right tit be further back since the shoulders/neck seem to be facing in a different direction compared to the tits

[Anonymous No.3257842]

>>3255633
Posting here is like asking for crits.
Thanks anon, I think it's something about her crotch being too low. I'll look into it.

>>3257787
Yes, we're definitely seeing more of that tit than the angle should allow, but here's the thing -
If you have to choose between technical correctness and appeal, always go for the latter. More tit, more likes on instagram -> the drawing fulfills its purpose.

>>3255948
That's one very aesthetic bird.

[Anonymous No.3257849]

>>3257842
I just remembered shadman and damn that is actually a good point

[Anonymous No.3257875]

>>3250605
>Studying
You forgot the part where you actually draw, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3259168]

>>3254926
Sarcasm, dude. S'why I prefaced it with "Master"

[Anonymous No.3259319]

>>3251541
>How did this happen?
Two different approaches to art

>Why is one community so different to the other despite both having tons of people and involve art?
Mindset. Speaking in broad here, /ic/ tends to have this over-inflated sense of importance, thinking itself and its users as the only place and people to get/give "raw, unfiltered, truthful critique". The problem with this line of thinking is the false dichotomy of thinking that the only way to be an art community is to be acerbic and overly hostile, and if you aren't, then you're a hugbox that only gives out asspats, ngmi, etc etc...Other forums, while not being as "honest" as /ic/ can and are more receptive of others and generally more helpful and encouraging, which leads to artists learning to enjoy their work, however good or bad it is, and learning to enjoy the artistic process, and experimenting and improving. Other forums are suffer from having more breadth; 4chan only has /ic/, tumblr has subsections of people serious about art, and dilettantes who like looking like artists, and then those that just like to draw and paint because they enjoy it

tl;dr /ic/ sucks the fun and joy out of making art, thus resulting in people finding it difficult to do so. Other sites encourage making art, and that spurs some on to making as much as they can, as well as they can, and learning to make better art.

[Anonymous No.3259329]

>>3259319
Pretty much nailed it, although I'd argue that this place isn't so bad if you're not a beginner. If you are a beginner, then godspeed.

[Anonymous No.3259346]

>>3250605
No, I don't find anything appealing about Tumblr style. The closest thing I can think that looks good is the Steven Universe art and thats after its been processed by people who can actually draw instead of Rebecca Sugar (her original designs are gross)
If you like that kind of style than just go draw in that way, no ones forcing you to draw Loomis dude. Tumblr style is starting to really emerge into comics and obviously, animation.
Just because I don't like it doesn't mean its bad, thats now that Im saying.
Stop holding back and just draw how you want, don't listen to /ic/.
I think your problem might be that you like the mindset of IC more but the art style of Tumblr more and you'd like it if IC was more open minded, which isn't wrong to say.

[Anonymous No.3259378]

Yeah because pic related is totally appealing and improving

[Anonymous No.3259400]

>>3259378

[Anonymous No.3259412]

>>3259378
Yes. The number of notes improved.

[Anonymous No.3259420]

>>3259378
at least it's working, maybe you should see further than just "I don't like it"

[Anonymous No.3259427]

>>3250605
Idk if you got this response yet but it sounds like you don’t have appealing art because you are overthinking it. Trying to force form an anatomy into stuff. Tumblrinas are half highschoolers that never paid much attention to that stuff and instead jumped directly into “I want to draw like X”. They focus on what make sit appealing to them, tumblr nose or noodle arms.
Most of my art progress was while I was young and in school.
Draw more, worry less. Heck if you struggle relaxing, maybe try drunk drawing one day and see if it makes a difference.

[Anonymous No.3259504]

>>3251117
spend a good hour or two drawing as many sketches of whatever the fuck you want brah, and then pick out the good ones.

[Anonymous No.3259884]

>>3257842
Thanks, I like drawing birds

[Anonymous No.3260119]

>>3259427
>>3259427
how do I get alchohol I'm 18

[Anonymous No.3261059]

>>3254958
james gurney, jeff and robert watts, erik gist all recommend loomis

[Anonymous No.3261413]

>>3259378
Fuck anything past act 5

[Anonymous No.3261435]

>>3260119
Live in Canada. Or just make yourself relax in a legal way. Chamomile tea, meditation, etc.

[Anonymous No.3262387]

>>3251044
This shit has been posted a million times over in millions of threads, in a million different ways by a million different people in the past some odd years this board fucking existed. No one pays attention to this advice or doesn't give it a second glance because /ic/ fucking sucks. It's a case of the blind leading the blind like the rest of the fucking internet