/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.3137279]

>almost 24
>still a beginner
>look up for famous artist's work at 24
>they were all pros at that time

I hate my fucking life. I hate that my parents are so low born trash that didn't send me to a proper school. You just can't compete with people who were granted education earlier, they will be better no matter how many hours you put, simply because you are so late. FAIR FUCKING LIFE

[Anonymous No.3137281]

>>3137279
Post your work

[Anonymous No.3137283]

Don't give up, anon. You're still young and you got a shitload of resources to develop your art

[Anonymous No.3137303]

>>3137279
bruh people are 40 and telling themselves theyre still young to make huge moves in life, and youre already pulling in the earth around yourself.

You. Are. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.3137320]

It's never too late. I'm over 30 and just read the links in the st/ic/ky. Although I don't want to be famous, I just want to draw my own porn.

[Anonymous No.3137325]

>>3137279
Lmao senpai I'm 24 and am garbage but having the time of my life learning. If you hold on to this resentment you'll have a hard time consistently learning. At least I did.

[Anonymous No.3137332]

Post your work already

[Anonymous No.3137334]

Whenever I come across a problem in my life which causes me mental anguish I write down what's bothering me then try to give myself advice as if it was someone else's problem. This is a similar situation I felt, I'm 22 but over the course of the past two years I started falling off the path of progress because of the pressure to git gud. This is my answer to myself, it works for most if any problems and makes me feel better about the situation as a whole because it makes me think about it in a less emotional form.

>I fear that I will never achieve my goals because I lost the path to my goals years ago

We call them goals because they are hard to achieve, I believe you fell off the path because you began entering the mind frame of work rather than play. You put so much pressure on yourself to be the best you wanted to collect as much information as you could without taking said information in, but this doesn't mean your goals aren't achievable. You can unlearn and relearn anything and your art is not an exception, learning should be fun so make it fun. Instead of wanting to be the best of the class try to be the person who has the most fun in the class, do something to impress and excite yourself rather than others.

[Anonymous No.3137353]

It's a long story but I will try to keep it as simple as possible.

At first, like every kids, drawing is just my hobby but then one day, I just fell in love with animated movies, I love it so much that I want to make my own movie, I want to share my feelings, to bring happiness to people so I started studying art.

It really hard at first, I got a lot of depressions, almost give up many times but the pain soon fade away when you have patience and believe in yourself.

It's gonna be hard but please, believe in yourself, you can do it, you will gain a little day by day, put your heart into it and don't give up.

p/s: I started learn about drawing at 20, now I am 22.

[Anonymous No.3137356]

>>3137279
Faggot bitching ain't gonn help u. Life ain't fair but we all have 24hrs of day equally. If u draw 12 hrs a day ur good

[Anonymous No.3137361]

>>3137353
Nice, mine story is almost exactly the same except for like three details.

[Anonymous No.3137366]

>>3137279
>shitting on your own parents because you faggot can't bring yourself to git gud
Fucking subhuman

[Anonymous No.3137371]

Anon dont give up. I don't remember who it was but it was one of these polish concept artist i think and he basically said he became a janitor, had no money and made art every day until he became good. This business is really hard and you just have to keep fighting. Age is a number.

Maybe you are just lacking a guidance or a way you need to follow.

Here this video inspired me lately to concentrate on something and I noticed how I got better just sticking to something for a longer time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZLzI0CwhkA&t=8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM39qhXle4g&t=55s

And learn how to be productive. Its super important!

[Anonymous No.3137373]

>>3137371
and yes the artwork the dude made are ugly but its the message that counts.

[Anonymous No.3137377]

>>3137353
bruv is that your work on the left?

[Anonymous No.3137382]

>>3137377
yeh, left is my lasted work, right is when I used to struggle at the beginning

[Anonymous No.3137384]

>>3137382
Maybe I'm just slow, but that progress is fucking great especially for two years! I really like your work. Uniroincally asking for blog/insta/etc

[Anonymous No.3137385]

>>3137279
>Only 24
>Blaming other people when you life in the fucking age of information
>Wasting his time shitposting instead of grinding those hours back
>''wahh life isn't fair''
Yea, shitkids like you should have been born with down syndrome or in the shitholes of africa

[Anonymous No.3137386]

>>3137385
When you live*
Fucking phoneposting

[Anonymous No.3137387]

>>3137385
Yeah, this age of information shit is amazing, too bad it's a recent thing. Wasn't a thing like 10 years ago that's for sure and even in the age of information, artist advice is misleading.

[Anonymous No.3137396]

>>3137279
>blaming others instead of yourself

[Anonymous No.3137397]

>>3137384
>>3137384
Thank you, I am glad that you enjoyed my works. I am learning to become an animator, you can check out all of my works on deviantart :D: https://gipsob1234.deviantart.com/gallery/

[Anonymous No.3137400]

>>3137279
Dude just keep at it

Time will pass anyway

I'm probably delusional I want to dedicate myself to it but I'm 33 and started at 28 on top of that I have a full-time job, dropped out of college with just 5 classes left just to have more time to draw, I live in a shithole, I have other interests who I pursue as much as possible and a rather crippling depression.

It was until a couple of months ago I did my first considerable gig. Enough to buy a new laptop and a cintiq.

Don't get discouraged by your circumstances or whatever the trolls here say. Creating something is valuable, noble and meaningful but it will probably take a long time until you start to see glimpses of this

Take care anon

[Anonymous No.3137574]

>>3137334
Underrated post. Thanks Anon.

[Anonymous No.3137576]

>>3137400
Dude I'm almost in the same situation, do you wanna be art buddies? Do you have a Discord?

[Anonymous No.3137577]

>>3137279
Craig Mullins sed that the only thing that was useful for him in art center is that he learned how to light basic forms correctly so don't worry anon you still have time

[Anonymous No.3137582]

>>3137577
I can't resist

>at 24 started to work like mad

1 year before his neuroplasticity ran out

[Anonymous No.3137583]

>>3137279
Parents still don't approve of me taking art serious. Guess what, I didn't get into a fucking atelier or private tutoring, and just now I finished a commission, asked another client regarding theirs and got messaged for a new one from another client. You have time, you have paper, you have internet, you have youtube and a fuckton of pdfs. Blaming anyone is not gonna help, if you put the work in it you can learn all you need in a matter of months and keep grinding from there. I'm 21 and majoring in STEM just in case you think I'm going to art college.

[Anonymous No.3137587]

>>3137577
damn I didn't know this, Craig Mullins officially kicked off at 24.. for some reason I think i read something like this before and thought he said he started at 16.

[Anonymous No.3137590]

>>3137279
>You just can't compete with people who were granted education earlier, they will be better no matter how many hours you put, simply because you are so late.

Not really. Most pros get good and peak in about 5-10 years and then stay at around that level. Craig Mullins hasn't improved in a decade, because there is nothing fundamental for him to improve, just experimenting and playing around with new techniques etc. Kim Jung Gi still draws exactly the same now as he drew 5 years aog. Jaime Jones has even gotten worse. So all that would change for you is you'd peak 5-10 years from when you started as opposed to where they started.

[Anonymous No.3137593]

>>3137387
>Wasn't a thing like 10 years ago
kek

[Anonymous No.3137596]

>>3137576
Sure anon. Idk is this is my due discord username but Fwiw: FiRez#8896 or hit me up on tumblr: Firez-tbr.tumblr.com

[Anonymous No.3137620]

>>3137279
>Tfw /beg/
>tfw 22
>tfw I get your age I'll be a pro or at least Intermediate
>tfw life is good

The best time to start would have been 10 years ago, the second best time to start is now.

[Anonymous No.3137629]

>>3137620
anon I have some bad news for you..

[Anonymous No.3137631]

Why would you care about other people when practicing art? The same jobs will be available when you're 35 as when you'd be 25. It's not that uncommon to change careers later in life.

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3137632]

Just.. fucking learn it.
I 23 years old brat who wished proffessional or some shit. And failed education several time.

my parents put me on their factory
And forcing me work 12hour every day (no weekend, no vacation)

After work i'm tired as crap. But i open photoshop and watch a ctrl paint or practice or another shit. No matter how i am tired So that's my routine.
Only my desire is creating art. That's my will power

[Anonymous No.3137725]

>>3137279
aah one of the
>OMG IMA TOO OLD
threads. been a while.

as i can see the usual replies there too.

[Anonymous No.3137727]

Don't think. Draw.

[Anonymous No.3137730]

>>3137334
Not him but thanks.

[Anonymous No.3137745]

>>3137279
>Start drawing at 27
>Suck at it
>See someone who's 22 already pro and far better than me
>Not be a bitch, he seems easy to contact via twitter
>Get to know the person, talk about random stuff, soon ask for art advice.
>Get invited to a skype group he's in
>Draw along, submitting my work every day in said skype.
>3 years later, around his level and we share advice

I dunno, anon. Rather than blaming your parents and your "life style", you should become less of a shitty human being.

[Anonymous No.3137748]

>>3137397
OP is this your work? wtf its great, youve got yuore own unique charm instead of just being yet another mass produced artist.

Sort reminds me of ghibli

[Anonymous No.3137749]

>>3137745
you are my inspiration anon

[Anonymous No.3137756]

>>3137748
Yes it is, thank you so much, I really appreciate it :D

[Anonymous No.3137770]

>>3137745

yeah this. You may be "worse" than a younger artist now, but it doesn't mean it will be that way in the future. I've surpassed a lot of peer artists I used to admire, and I also take advice from younger artists who are ahead of me all the time. Who gives a shit?

[Anonymous No.3137794]

You are all missing the point. Of course anyone can start at any point, that's not the problem. The problem is that if you want to live off art (which for many people is the only option, i.e dave rapoza), it's very hard to become a successful artist. It's not only about pros being more disciplined, they got more opportunities from their parents, they were generally more supported and because of that started earlier. They didn't start at 22 or whatever and become good by drawing 16 hours a day.

I always liked drawing but I never thought about it seriously. Now I like it a lot more and I'd like to do it professionally, but how am I going to beat all those chinks or just people in general who are far ahead of me? The market is supposedly oversaturated, what's the point? I will still try in the end but I feel miserable for being behind, because I wasn't so lucky.

[Anonymous No.3137880]

>>3137794
This. After a few years (4+) it's like fighting windmills. At this point I'm sincerely scared I'll have wasted all these years trying to chase a career that isn't there and I'll be literally on the streets. When that fear gets palpable it's a lot harder to go "lel just draw le 12 hours a day, you'll make it"

[Anonymous No.3137937]

>apply for job in art industry
>get interview
>they like my portfolio
>exactly what they're looking for

"We have one last question for you anon, how old are you?"

>start panicking
>sweating profusely
>mumble age
>they look at me with disgust

"I'm sorry but we're going to have to pass, we do have openings for janitors though."

>they laugh heartily
>tears swell in my eyes
>I clench my copy of figure drawing for all it's worth
>I mutter as I grind my teeth trying to contain my rage

"but I spent 10 years at an atelier"

"What was that anon?"

"I SPENT 10 YEARS AT AN ATELIER!"

>They call for security but it's too late
>I jump over the desk grabbing them by their necks
>Using my intricate knowledge of anatomy I crush their sternocleido mastoids using the full strength of my palmaris longus
>I locate the 7th cervical vertebrae and destroy it with a swift jab of my olecranon
>As death loomis' over them I smirk

"Looks like you're not going to make it"

[Anonymous No.3137962]

>>3137937

[Anonymous No.3137968]

>>3137937
this post really made me think

[Anonymous No.3137974]

you guys are seriously internet-damaged
please go outside, go and volunteer at a hospital or something and talk to people MUCH older than you
try confiding in someone's grandma that you think you're too old to learn to draw because you're 23 and you'll realize you sound like an idiot
i hate seeing these fucking threads all the time

[Anonymous No.3137995]

>>3137794
>The problem is that if you want to live off art (which for many people is the only option, i.e dave rapoza), it's very hard to become a successful artist. It's not only about pros being more disciplined, they got more opportunities from their parents, they were generally more supported and because of that started earlier. They didn't start at 22 or whatever and become good by drawing 16 hours a day.


you could say this for any career field really. jobs in the US are scant, despite the lies of unemployment going down and we're headed for another clusterfuck once automation really takes off and the STEM meme runs it course. anyone who starts out at the bottom rung in life have a dramatically lower chance of ever moving up regardless.

at the end of the day, life has no guarantees so if you want to do something just go for it. there's no point in thinking about all that.

[Anonymous No.3138028]

>>3137279
>>3137756

>tfw 24 almost 25
>never draw as a kid only playing video games ever since the age of 3
>mentally ill can't work but still forced to therapy or i don't receive any money
>not going to therapy cause i have severe social anxiety and personality disorder i just want to be alone like a hikikomori
>thinking about things i could do to maybe earn some money but only programming comes to mind and i hate that shit
>see artist making comission work for 20$ a piece and it seems easy enough
>trying to learn how to fucking draw but i'm a huge failure i can't find motivation in anything i do not even playing video games, i just waste my time by watching youtube videos instead of playing games
>seriously just want to kill myself

here i am worse than a /beg/ never going to make it cause i try to learn art maybe 1 hour every second day

you have it so good OP your work is amazing don't know why you think you are beg tier

[Anonymous No.3138048]

>>3137937
Performance art is the highest form of art. I'd give you the janitor job!

[Anonymous No.3138053]

>>3137756
Gorgeous, what book/videos did you study ?

[Anonymous No.3138056]

>>3137725
>the usual replies there too
to the contrary, the replies have been unusually encouraging. usually it's full of "you're over 19 and beg? NGMI"

[Anonymous No.3138061]

Firez was a 28 year old brown beaner living in a third world country with a full time job when he started drawing and now he's a 33 year old brown beaner living in a third world country with a full time job that's better than 90% of /ic/-and he's improving every day. He should be an inspirational figure around here but instead he gets bullied for his mistakes by dunning-krugers because he's a brown beaner living in a third world country with a full time job. You want to talk about a fair 'fucking' life? Try being a 33 year old brown beaner living in a third world country with a full time job and then get back to us you crybaby boo-boo ass nigga!

[Anonymous No.3138092]

>>3138061
Firez is Mexican?

[Anonymous No.3138100]

>>3137577
He wasn't taking art courses at Art Center, nimrod. Of course product design courses weren't useful to PAINTING.

Jesus fucking christ, you actually think you have a point here?

[Anonymous No.3138114]

>>3137279
This is the kind of post that I feel is straight up trolling. This is how mentally ill people think, not healthy, rational, motivated people think - and as usual, the thread as generated the expected results of shitposting and nonsense.

There are some truths in life:
Will you make it? Who knows? You're the only one who can find out. You're starting later? So what? Yes, you will never catch up to someone who started earlier, but nobody expects you to - unless you have emotional issues like the OPs post indicates.
You know who makes it? People who are motivated, who work hard, who have reasonable goals, who take advantage of opportunities, and reasonable expectations.

But no, it's all people who have never tried art, starting at a later date in life, who have set their sights on the most coveted jobs in a very competitive industry, jobs that require top notch skills and talent, and waste thread after thread trying to read the tea leaves from other people's lives to determine if "I'm gonna make it", when those other people's experiences have zip to do with yours.
Are you going to make it? How hard are you willing to work, and how many sacrifices made, to try? And yes, it's a gamble. You've set your sights on a career that is out of reach of people WITH talent. You're in the same race. If you can't figure out within a year or two how you might stack up, then you have bigger problems than Loomis can solve for you. And, most of you will not consider formal education, when art schools can take you in and in 4 years produce a working artist. Self taught? Your odds just fell significantly, unless you're very gifted and talented to begin with.
But, I guess it's easier to start a thread here, wallowing in misery (most of it self inflicted), instead of trying, right? Read those tea leaves, obsess over what others have done, but never actually apply any of it to yourself, because...reasons? You didn't go to good schools as a child? What's stopping you now? Hmmm?

[Anonymous No.3138117]

>>3138092

Honduras, but nobody knows where the country is and can't imagine it being poorer than Mexico. Or different.

[Anonymous No.3138120]

>>3138114
This post was good until the random gifts and talents part. It also seems to assume art school is a magic place that'll get you good too.

[Anonymous No.3138129]

>>3137974
The internet is both a blessing and a curse. So much information on the lives of other people can be overwhelming to the unprepared and immature minds. Humans weren't meant to think at such a global scale. We're all unique, but just one of many. We all matter, but not really. We can talk to anyone around that world, yet we're more alienated and lonely than ever. We put on a show on social media, while deep down we're all equally miserable.

[Anonymous No.3138203]

We need a janitor to come here with a flamethrower and incinerate all these despair trolls and other garbage. You idiots bumping this trash are just as guilty.

[Anonymous No.3138205]

>>3138203
OP's post is a genuine concern in the art world, a lot of people just don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.3138211]

who gives a fuck? op is either a troll or a beta cunt who wont succeed at anything in this life.

[Anonymous No.3138212]

>>3138211
People who care and name calling doesn't get us anywhere. Discussion and about how to help does, which is what this place is for.

[Anonymous No.3138213]

>>3137937
>Using my intricate knowledge of anatomy I crush their sternocleido mastoids using the full strength of my palmaris longus
>>I locate the 7th cervical vertebrae and destroy it with a swift jab of my olecranon
>>As death loomis' over them I smirk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

[Anonymous No.3138214]

>>3138205
no offense, but if you're 23 and wondering if you can still compete in the olympics as a gymnast, you're too old
if you're 23 and wondering if you're too old to draw things on paper, you need to get off of the internet instead of thinking that every artist is a child progeny

[Anonymous No.3138216]

Remember, reporting will hide the thread and increase our chances of getting some moderation in this cesspool.
Dont let the garbage get in the way of your development.

[Anonymous No.3138217]

>>3138214
The whole problem here is that it's a real issue that people believe in child prodigies and that there needs to be people out there who educate others that age isn't going to necessarily hold you back as much as you think it does. Being ignorant doesn't make the problem go away as you seem to believe.

[Anonymous No.3138232]

>>3138100
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Art Center College of Design, Pasadena, and I’ve been involved in numerous pre-vis positions at triple-A studios, and I have an over 300 confirmed dollars per hour rate. I am trained in core fundamentals and I’m the top designer in the entire entertainment industry. You are nothing to me but just another /beg/ tier shithead. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of industry professionals across the world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your career. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can ban you from the industry you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in perspective, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Gnomon School of Visual Effects and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.3138239]

>>3138214
>child progeny

[Anonymous No.3138242]

>>3138114
This (and certain things that happened today) made me realize I haven't got anything else to live for. All in all if I waste my life nothing in the world will change, so I might as well try making it.

Thanks for the motivation, I really needed it.

[Anonymous No.3138322]

There are a lot of professional artists in the world, anon. A lot of them, of course, will have reached a professional level at an earlier time in their life, since those that pursue art as a career are often in a good enough financial position to consider such a risky career choice. And due to that financial stability, their parents are willing and able to give them the emotional support and professional opportunities to improve their artistic abilities at the most efficient pace possible. This kind of thing just comes with the territory of "hobby jobs" like music, art, sports, etc. But that doesn't mean that there aren't many more professional artists out there who were in the same position as you, unable to hone their skills until later in life when they became independent from their parents.

So, of course you'll see more cases of young professionals out there. Reaching that level of art takes a very long time and a lot of dedication, and people that didn't pursue their artistic dreams as a kid or teenager tend to give up by the time they're older because they THINK that it's too late.

[Anonymous No.3138349]

>>3138216
The only garbage here is you. [-]

[Anonymous No.3138381]

>>3138028
I am not OP, just a anon o.o. Anyway, I know it really hard to start it late but if you truly love drawing you will keep following it and you have to let go something, like video games or weekends hang out and relationships. I don't have many friends in real life, mostly because I have mentally unstable and feeling insecure all the time, I usually get grumpy with all the people and stay quiet all day, maybe that a bless or curse ( I don't know ) because with that I can stay focus to drawing all the time.

I feel lonely all the time so I always try to draw happy things even if I am sad. I hope someday my paintings will help me making friends or bring happiness to people like me, that why I never stop painting and I love it so much. Don't give up my friend, maybe you will not as good as other people but doing that you love is the most beautiful feeling in the world.

>>3138053
I learnt the funds from school and since I am not so good at reading books so I just watch other people paintings and analyze it then paint it again with my own feelings.

[Anonymous No.3138418]

>>3137770
I think a lot of people overestimate and underestimate the work load. After 7 years or so of hardcore drawing, you'll either catch up or be right behind some really good artists out there. Problem is, you start to see those other artists bitch about the same exact shit from year 1 of their drawing journey.

[Anonymous No.3138438]

I know that being 23 is fairly young but I just don't know how to stop think about me being behind or whatever. It hinders my mind because I could draw instead of talking or thinking about this shit but I don't know how.

[Anonymous No.3138467]

>>3137334
Anon if you are still here, thank you. You are the hero /ic/ does not deserve.

[Anonymous No.3138479]

>>3137334
Nice. This is a really good strategy.

[Anonymous No.3138487]

>>3138381
you're an amazing person anon.

[Anonymous No.3138527]

>>3138438
Don't think about it. In fact, don't even worry about getting better. Who cares. Just draw, and practice what YOU feel you need. Draw something, fuck it up, look at it and ask yourself what you need to work on specifically.

If you can't answer that question, then you're still too obsessive of other artists. Worry about you.

[Anonymous No.3138555]

It's not up to your parents to make you draw, scrub. You'd blame anyone or anything for your lack of drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.3138560]

>>3138555
To be fair, it is up to your parents to make you draw. There's no other way around it, you'll likely never pick up a pencil and start drawing by chance. That initial starting point is what sets off the rest of your life. The 1-2 year old you, drawing scribbles or whatever your parents teach you to emulate.

[Anonymous No.3138587]

>>3138560
seconding this

I said it hundreds of times, and I'll keep saying it. Drawing is like writing. Almost nobody picks it up on their own. They either see somebody older than them doing it and it makes them want to do it too, or have to be pushed to start learning. But being pushed to learn to read and write doesn't mean later on they might not find the joy in reading and writing books

[Anonymous No.3138595]

>>3138560
Yea I think watching my dad draw is what made me pick it up in the first place. Kids do emulate their parents but they never made me or really encouraged it. They were just satisfied with me being occupied for long periods of time, it was a quiet and cheap activity. I would get yelled at for drawing their shit sometimes. I would get into my uncles supplies, think that's how they got the idea to get me the one kit. Pic related.

Parents can make you try it out but it's really up to yourself to be holed up for hours and hours on end while growing up. Like you gotta actually like it.

[Anonymous No.3138752]

>>3138114
>Will you make it? Who knows?
>makes the assumption that art school is a sure-fire way to become a working artist.

Will art school make you a good working artist? Who knows? Go there yourself and see.

Also, please define 'gifted' and 'talented'. Because last I remember, draftsmanship isn't something you're born with.

[Anonymous No.3138764]

>>3137279
Atleast you're not a sperg like me op.

[Anonymous No.3139438]

>>3138560
Bullshit. Support definitely helps, but your parents don't have to make you draw, that's just abusive. I picked up a pencil as a kid because I loved it, not because I had to. My mom was an artist, so she encouraged me. Later on, I had to fight viciously with my father to study it seriously.

[Anonymous No.3139483]

>>3137587
this,
diminishing returns on practise

[Anonymous No.3139496]

>>3137582

>neuroplasticity meme

with this attitude, you my friend are on a sure road to ngmi. Bet youre bitter that you spent your early years fapping to other peoples work instead of working. But it's ok anon, I believe you can make it even if youre a 25 yo old wrinkly creaky man.

[Anonymous No.3139508]

>>3137279
So don't wait any longer? Or give up and find something more senior citizen-like to aspire towards? Bingo perhaps? Or commemorative plate collecting?

If you don't create anything for anybody to see it won't matter how late you started, and nobody is going to care how old you are if you succeed at making something they enjoy, and nobody is going to care who you are unless you do.

[Anonymous No.3139540]

>>3138764
>nazi loli anime girl

at least you are self aware about being a sperg

[Anonymous No.3141643]

>>3137279
NIgga im 30. Im finished. Im through Im too old you arent. You are just a little bitch.

[Anonymous No.3141649]

>>3141643
What did you waste your time on at 21?

[Anonymous No.3141653]

>>3141649
escaping poverty
joined military

[Anonymous No.3141662]

>>3137279
I really hate you op, I really fucking hate you!

[Anonymous No.3141679]

Here's a thought: my favorite comic artist in the world is Stan Sakai. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who holds him this high. Usagi Yojimbo is one of the best comics out there.

But the drawing style is very calligraphic, very simple, and definitely not something you'd call anyone "talented" for. If you had to judge by technical skill alone, the art in UY simply "does its job". Yet it's so incredibly lively and appealing.

You don't have to be great technically to be a great artist. You just have to be good at what you do.

Also my shrink told me the same stuff you head around about reachable goals, and unrealistic expectations. That shit really is toxic and it brings total self-destruction

[Anonymous No.3142282]

you wont make it op, no matter what anyone might tell you. No matter how many hours you put, you will be YEARS behind. 24 is when you land a first big studio job, not when you struggle with loomis heads.

[Anonymous No.3142286]

>>3137632
What sort of shithole country do you live in?

[Anonymous No.3142291]

>>3137303
You're never too young to discover hidden talents and depths of understanding

[Anonymous No.3142338]

>>3138129
The truth feels bad man

[Anonymous No.3142393]

>>3137629
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.3142408]

>tfw 21
>just started seriously drawing at the beginning of the year
>i can barely get proportions right half the time
WHAT THE FUCK DO I GOTTA DO. TIME IS RUNNING OUT. ALL I WANNA DO IS DRAW FUCKING CAPESHIT

[Anonymous No.3142428]

>>3142408
>time is running out
fuck off younglings, you don't know shit about time running out until you hit 30.

[Anonymous No.3142434]

pathetic thread is pathetic, im 24, almost all ic are our average age man

[Anonymous No.3142763]

>>3137279
Every person in this thread have their own story and way of coping with artistic feelings.

Just stop giving a shit, stop being invested, why else do you think denationalization is a common part of almost any prolonged mental anguish? It's your brains natural way of admitting that being invested and caring about yourself or anything around you will do nothing but detract and take away from you, chipping away at your fragile optimism that constantly needs maintenance.

Alright man, look, I'm cashing in. I'm done. I'm twenty-shit years old. I got nothing. I got nobody. And I don't want anything. I don't want anybody. And thats the worst part, when the want goes. Thats - thats bad. Suffering is one thing; not having is one thing; but when you just don't care anymore, you know? I've gone soft in the last three asses I've been in. You get to a point where you go “maybe it's time to put a period at the end of whatever this was.”
Now I spend my time just living in a cheap apartment I share with some random nobodies, I draw whatever I want in whatever fucking way I want, I don't give a shit about what is 'right' anymore or what is the 'true way' to learn art or do art.
I'm gone pretty soon, I left to litter behind, I'm treating life like the cheap rental car that it is, trashed and with the bumper hanging.

[Anonymous No.3142776]

>>3137334
Yes, this is good advice. I kinda did the same thing for myself recently, although instead of advice, I asked myself a simple question.

[Anonymous No.3142980]

>>3137320
tentacle porn i hope

[Anonymous No.3142981]

>>3142980
Tentacles are like so ten years ago

[Anonymous No.3143004]

>>3137397
Looks great! Keep up the work. Eventually you could turn this in to some sort of career. Wish you the best.

[Anonymous No.3143035]

>>3138028
You seem to be a professional victim. My advice to you is realize you have all the potential needed to draw and drawl well. Stop being helpless, use your will power, draw.

[Anonymous No.3143038]

>>3143035
>hurr just be urself
fuck off

[Anonymous No.3143058]

>>3143038
Must have struck a cord, are you another lazy individual who blames your life circumstance for not moving forward in life?

[Anonymous No.3143064]

>>3143058
We are not equal in life, one gets born in poverty, the other one doesn't have to work his whole life. You can blame a lot in your life depending on who you are.

[Anonymous No.3143068]

>>3143058
>muh just world fallacy
spoiled cunt

[Anonymous No.3143107]

>tfw my psychiatrist tells me I'm setting goals too high
>that worrying about making it is only damaging me
>that I should do something else in life that's less stressful
I wanted help and I get this

[Anonymous No.3143110]

>>3143107
And your psychiatrist is right, you have to start low before you can shoot high. You're only hurting yourself by trying to do the impossible. But really, what exactly did you tell them?

[Anonymous No.3143116]

but your work is good you stupid cunt

kill yourself humble bragging fagging nigger

[Anonymous No.3143129]

>>3143064
>>3143068
You both sound like a fat person who blames genetics.

[Anonymous No.3143133]

>>3137387
It was even better 10 years ago, anybpdy could get critiqued by professionals as long as they posted on conceptart and books had all the knowledge you would ever need

[Anonymous No.3143137]

>>3137582
>not jogging every morning to increase neuroplasticity
>not eating a lot of animal fats for your brain

It's like you don't even want to git gud

[Anonymous No.3143145]

>>3143110
I can't work as much as I'd like to
Art is starting to become pressure instead of pleasure
I explained that I need to make a portfolio

[Anonymous No.3143199]

>>3143145
You don't need to quit art, just focus on improving instead of trying to reach a goal, and enjoy the process.
If you can manage to ignore fantasizing about your dream job, and instead think about what you could be learning, getting yourself to draw suddenly becomes a lot less easier.

[Anonymous No.3143200]

>>3143199
*a lot less stressful / easier

[Anonymous No.3143722]

I want to seriously start art but I don't want people to think I'm a brainlet so I won't quit my engineering degree. People in stem seriously see "artists" as fucking dumb failures

My case is even worse.

[None !HcVrSRaYco No.3143817]

>>3142286
worst korea i exaggerate work little bit

anyway i got a permission to study recently
i will get a education

[Anonymous No.3143878]

I went to art school and it was a joke. I dropped out after a year and everyone I went with just graduated. They still post their art on Facebook and barely anyone has made any improvements.

[Anonymous No.3143883]

>>3143878
post some of their work so we can laugh at art school grads. it's /ic/'s favorite pastime

[Anonymous No.3143908]

>>3143883

[Anonymous No.3143909]

>>3143883
Person #2

[Anonymous No.3143912]

>>3143909
is this a fucking joke?

[Anonymous No.3143914]

>>3143912
No I'm not joking. Here's another person's. I feel kind of bad posting these to be honest. Im not trying to hate on these people. I just don't think art school is worth it.

[Anonymous No.3143915]

>>3143914
how old are these people? this is /beg/ tier, they paid how much to be at the level of /ic/s plebs?

[Anonymous No.3143917]

>>3143915
They are 24-27. Not sure how much they paid I only paid for a few classes then left. These people actually sell their paintings all the time too for 50-100 bucks each. I don't understand how.

[Anonymous No.3143926]

>>3143917
Are you sure they sell? Can't imagine anyone buying this trash, except for maybe the abstract art guy.

[Anonymous No.3143930]

>>3143926
Yeah they sell. It seems like mostly family and friends buying them though.

[Anonymous No.3143966]

>>3139496
Sounds like you're projecting. How's life, you okay? jftr 22 yo f
>>3143137
I jog at night and I'm vegetarian rip


There is no magic starting age. It's ok imo to have a meltdown from time to time; it can even be introspective. However, the most important thing is to not let this completely debilitate you.

[Anonymous No.3144135]

>>3143917
this gives me hope to make it.

[Anonymous No.3144200]

>>3143722
Even if they're good? Sounds like salt to me

[Anonymous No.3144212]

>>3144200
yeah. No seriously , most art normies don't know anything about art. Just that artists look like pic related. And friends find retarded that I want to do art instead of "intellectually superior" science.

[Anonymous No.3144222]

>>3144212
They're right, you'd be a retard to drop that for art.

[Anonymous No.3144227]

>>3144222
why? And I assume you're interested in art, being in /ic/. Should I consider you a dumb failure?

[Anonymous No.3144230]

>>3144227
You should, there are tons of STEM failures on this board. You're speaking in generalities anyways. What kind of art do you want to do?

[Anonymous No.3144231]

>>3144227
Yeah, I dropped out. But sure join the bucket, it's fucking bottomless.

[Anonymous No.3144235]

>>3144230
>>3144231
stem is piss easy how the fuck did you manage to just not do your homework?

I would love to work in industry, making concept art or story boards

[Anonymous No.3144237]

>>3144235
Too busy doing art so I can work in the industry as a concept artist. Why would you waste time on STEM when it takes the same amount of time to make it in art?

Just tell people you want to art for video games then, that's about as top tier as it gets.
>yeah I design characters for overwatch

[Anonymous No.3144240]

>>3144212
>all artists have dreads and are brown, don't be like them

Yeah sounds like salt tbqhf

[Anonymous No.3144241]

>>3144235
>look how smart i am xd
nah just drop out man, go do art. keep us posted you retard

[Anonymous No.3144242]

>>3144235
>he thinks stem is easy and wants to seriously start art but is too afraid because of other stemfags
NGMI

[Anonymous No.3144243]

>>3144237
saying I want to design characters for "cool game" sounds always better than "I want to make art for video games"

anyway, would you consider yourself inferior to a STEM person?

[Anonymous No.3144255]

>>3137279
The real problem is drawing like an autist when you're in your late twenties.

[Anonymous No.3144258]

>>3144255
There's nothing wrong with drawing like a beginner when you haven't drawn a lot before. People assume because you're older that you can't draw like a kid, but it's not like you worked on your drawings since then.

[Anonymous No.3144335]

>>3137279
Sorry to say, but you sound like an apologist to me.

You are 24. Given if you'd put a lot of effort into your life and practice, you'd become great in a matter of 2 to 4 years, depending on your talent to pick up techniques etc. This means you'll reach your goal at 28 maximum, and you're bitter about this why......?

I'm 33 and I've done digital painting since I was 20 or 21. I'm about to start learning 3D for the first time and I don't think I'm 'too late' or pessimistic about it. Quite the opposite. I'm looking forward to the learning process.

You should pull your head out of your ass, stop blaming others and start practicing what you love.

[Anonymous No.3144337]

>>3144335
Oh, and I forgot to mention one thing: You are growing up in a time when there are FREE tutorials and specialized communities for each and over program, technique etc.

When I started, there was NOTHING on the internet. I had to learn everything from scratch without a clue of what I was doing. So this will speed up your process a lot too. Get going bruh!

[Anonymous No.3144387]

>didn't care about art when I was young
>only cared about playing video games
>was bored any time I was forced to go to an art gallery
>didn't like art class in school

>suddenly in my late 20s get interested in art
>barely have time and energy to study art because of job

>missed out on studying art in school when I had tons of free time with no obligations and stress
>missed out on going to art college for free with everything paid for

Anyone else in this situation? What do?

[Anonymous No.3144541]

>there are people on /ic/ that don't think they can accomplish their dreams and meet their goals
lol.

[Anonymous No.3144558]

>>3144387
start a savings to live off for 3 years so you can NEET and get good

[Anonymous No.3144562]

>>3144335
>digital painting for 12 years
i assume you're a great pro now living off your art, yes?

[Anonymous No.3144565]

>>3137279
it is what it is
you dont get to negotiate your past
you dont get to choose where you are born
you dont get to choose your genetics
you may never draw for shit but if you really want to draw then trying to get good may be a good idea

[Anonymous No.3147204]

>>3138203
And the e-celeb threads with sakimicham aren't?

[Anonymous No.3147220]

>>3144541

Most people are born failures and will never achieve their dreams before they die. That's just how it is.

[Anonymous No.3147247]

So?
Live your own life for fucks sake.
Is doing art part of your concept of "ideal life" ?
Yes?
Then keep doing it.

[Anonymous No.3147450]

>>3137279
Just keep going, anon.
Keep going and don't stop.
You acknowledge your mistakes, fix them and move on.
That's how life goes.

If anything, try having art friends. They might be able to help you get motivation to study.

[Anonymous No.3147658]

>all these stories of people drawing 8-12 hours a day while working a full time job
>meanwhile, I've been sitting at home all day, with no friends, job or hobby outside of my art and I still can't manage more than two hours a day on average
I don't understand. There's nothing else I want. Every second I spend procrastinating I feel like shit but I still do it. Even when I try locking myself in a room with my art supplies and nothing else I still spend over half the time just staring at the ceiling rather than work.
I feel like I'm going crazy.

[Anonymous No.3147682]

>>3147658
it's over for you

[Anonymous No.3147687]

>>3147658
You have so much time that it's worthless to you and you can always do things another time.
Get a job and start valuing free time more

[Anonymous No.3147688]

>>3147658
sounds like depression. maybe you need to play more video games

[Anonymous No.3147690]

>>3147658
You're vitamin deficient. Eat more meat, dark green vegetables like spinach, and fermented foods like kimchi.

[Anonymous No.3147691]

>>3147658
As long as you keep at it everyday, you're at least doing something. Maybe make yourself a schedule and try to stick with it

[Anonymous No.3147693]

>>3147658
I manage more than 3 hours a day on average, step it up kouhai.

[Anonymous No.3147705]

>>3137279

You are you. Don't compare yourself with other artist who have more mileage than you. Just focus on your own work.

Now fuck off and fucking practice.

[Anonymous No.3147711]

>>3147682
Not until I'm dead.

>>3147687
The same thing was happening back when I had a real job and worked out and stuff, though.

>>3147688
If I touch a video game I usually can't put it back down again before it's finished and everything else in my life just falls apart. I've been meaning to get checked for ADD or depression or whatever, but I'm afraid that actually having an excuse for it would hurt more than treatment would help.

>>3147690
I'll be the first to admit that my diet isn't very good, but I eat lots of meat and take multivitamins. Is it any vitamin in particular you're thinking of?

>>3147691
Yeah, it's not like I'm completely stagnant, it's just that my progress is so goddamn slow. I'm not good at schedules - the moment I fall behind I have hard time not just giving up for the day, and if I get ahead I just start procrastinating until I'm not anymore.

>>3147693
Braggart. How do you even find the time to post here with that kind of dedication? Jeez.

[Anonymous No.3147747]

>>3147711
>Is it any vitamin in particular you're thinking of?

It's the B vitamins I'm thinking of dude. I run into similar issues sometimes, so I try to stay on top of it.

[Anonymous No.3147753]

>>3147711
Just give up man, it's not worth it. Just play video games and chill

[Anonymous No.3147775]

>>3147747
Thanks. I guess it can't hurt to try to up my intake, though I'll feel like such an idiot if eating a little more spinach ends up fixing a problem that's been ruining my life for a decade.

>>3147753
No can do.

[Anonymous No.3147785]

>>3147775
well you clearly don't care that much if you can't even muster up the will to do more than 2 hours. why put yourself through the torture? just be yourself and save yourself some stress.

[Anonymous No.3147790]

>>3147220
/thread/ sad but correct

[Anonymous No.3147792]

>>3147785
Because on the rare occasion that I manage to stay on target, it makes me happy in a way that nothing else ever has.

[Anonymous No.3147806]

>>3147792
Well that 'way' is clearly only worth 2 hours a day for you. There are many other things that you are happier doing, your behavior reflects that. Why force it?

[Anonymous No.3147829]

>>3147806
I think there's a miscommunication here. When I say I spend 2 hours working, I don't mean that I sit down, draw for 2 hours, and then go do something else. I sit down and try to work and 14 hours later I realize I only got 2 hours of work done. There's nothing that makes me happier than when I'm actually working, I just fail at it a lot.

[Anonymous No.3148166]

>tfw trying to git gud at programming and drawing so I can make vidya
I don't know about you but I am not giving up.

[Anonymous No.3148168]

>>3148166
How many weeks in are you? Kek, shit is a lot harder than you think and you may end up giving up one of them. Anyways, might as well tell me what kind of vidya you want to make.

[Anonymous No.3148172]

>>3148168
I admit with the drawing bit I only just started before school came back and had to take a break because of all the schoolwork. But the bit I have done I am enjoying making even if it looks like shit right now. As for the programming I am about to graduate with a Computer Science major and hopefully get a job and draw on the side. I will try to make a game on the side but if I am successful maybe I can make a company or something. As far as game ideas I have quite a few but I would like to make a Survival Horror game that builds off of old school Survival Horror. It wouldn't be about Zombies though.

[Anonymous No.3148358]

>>3148172
I've met a lot of programmers who get really good at drawing really fast.

[Anonymous No.3148366]

>>3137334
Listen to this guy.

Also stop comparing yourself to others especially by Age.

[Anonymous No.3148396]

>>3137279

Hey, if it cheers you up the "low born" shit doesn't actually matter. I come from a wealthy family and I have all the resources I could ask for, and I'm still a lazy piece of shit.

Also almost 24.

[Anonymous No.3148423]

>>3137279
I went to a decent art school and graduated alongside a bunch of rich kids who wasted the opportunity and didn't learn shit and aren't professionals today. Idk if that make you any feel better.

[Anonymous No.3148430]

>>3137279
>have time to self pity on /ic/
>why am I not gud yet
I wonder

[Anonymous No.3148466]

>>3137279
Yeah, it sucks that brain plasticity stops at around 18. Life is not fair!

[Anonymous No.3148487]

>>3137334

Thank you based anon. We are all going to make it.

[Anonymous No.3148497]

why this shitty thread has so many replies?

[Anonymous No.3148501]

>>3148466
at 25

[Anonymous No.3148536]

>>3137937

Great post, I screen capped it for prosperity and put it into my porn folder, should make for great material later.

[Anonymous No.3148537]

>>3147658
I had this problem too, anon. Exactly like you.
I was a NEET who had no hobby, no job... only spend my time looking for shit in internet, especially in 4chan.
I went to doctor and he said me this is depression.
I'm taking some meds and now I'm feeling much better, now I'm here to pick some references and books to return to draw and having another hobby.

Do some exercise, run or walk everyday and get some sun light too, believe me, this will help you a lot.

[Anonymous No.3148540]

>>3148537
>Do some exercise, run or walk everyday and get some sun light too, believe me, this will help you a lot.
This is literally all you needed to do. (((meds))) are a scam.

[Anonymous No.3148542]

>>3148540
I'll explain further....a few years ago I would never ever leave my room. Then my parents got me puppy (2 actually) and being the sucker I am I had to walk them. It cured my severe anxiety after a year of walking them daily. My social anxiety isn't as bad as it was 4 years ago but it's still kinda there I don't think it'll ever go away.

[Anonymous No.3148547]

>>3148542
>my parents got me a puppy (2 actually)

aww.

[Anonymous No.3148549]

>>3137937
Jesus christ what a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.3148553]

>>3148537
>meds
Shit is great first few years. You get to feel better through no real effort, without addressing the underlying root problems. Wait till the brain zaps and erectile dysfunction sets in. There is no going back once you start these meds, they alter your brain chemistry for life (as they should, that's what they're designed to do).

[Anonymous No.3148563]

>>3148540
Well, meds are being great to me.
I was in a very very bad situation, to the point of consider suicide as the only alternative. It was not that "mainstream depression caused by first world problems."
I stayed 7 months without leaving my bedroom too.

I'll not use meds forever, they are helping me a lot to get up every day and have a healthy routine and I'm going to use them until I get used to the new healthy routine.

And (((they))) wanna depressive people who don't fight for their rights and don't fight against (((them))), exactly how I was.

[Anonymous No.3148575]

>>3148563
Well if it's helping you then that's fine. I just don't trust them. Supplements are good though.

[Anonymous No.3148581]

>>3148563
>I'll not use meds forever, they are helping me a lot to get up every day and have a healthy routine and I'm going to use them until I get used to the new healthy routine.
Literally what every med user says, I imagine that's what the psychiatrist tells you too.

>And (((they))) wanna depressive people who don't fight for their rights and don't fight against (((them))), exactly how I was.
Cringe and embarrassing, you realize Jewish intellectuals founded the psychopharmaceutical industry? That they were the ones behind psychiatry in the first place? But it doesn't matter what is said, someone as weak and undisciplined as yourself will continue to choose the path of least resistance. Enjoy your jew pills

[Anonymous No.3148588]

>>3148581
Anon made his choice and is happy he made it, he had not he'd perhaps be dead. Stop treating life like some sort of RPG where one choice is for sure better than another. Ironically you're just projecting your depression on him right now.

[Anonymous No.3148600]

>>3148588
Fuck off retard, someone stupid enough to "fight the Jews" by taking Jew pills should kill himself.

[Anonymous No.3148609]

>>3148600
Man you sound really troubled.

[Anonymous No.3148619]

>>3148609
No, that'd be the idiot giving himself a chemical lobotomy created by Jewish scientists, while believing in a global Jewish conspiracy. His life is a cosmic joke.

[Anonymous No.3148641]

This trainwreck tells me I need more fundies, foreshortening practice was fun though.

[Anonymous No.3148649]

>>3148619
>taking /pol/ literally and not noticing it's satire

[Anonymous No.3148757]

I happen to share my birthday with one of my favourite painters, Alma-Tadema and I like to think some of his spirit lives on inside me and use that to motivate myself to keep going.
Maybe a bit superficial but it works sometimes.

I'm also 24, pretty much a failure at everything but starting this year I'm pretty serious about drawing.

[Anonymous No.3148761]

>>3148649
>/pol/ is satire meme

[Anonymous No.3148767]

>>3148761
oh you poor thing

you've never heard of self board defense? /a/, /jp/ and /pol/ has it. It's mechanisms created by the users to drive out unwated guests in the guise that they're affiliated with a certain culture. A necessary step to when a janitor does not do their job.

[Anonymous No.3148792]

>>3148767
/a/ doesn't really have any of this anymore, it's a board full of people who don't belong there.

[Anonymous No.3148805]

>>3148792

Oh well I don't really go there anymore because people spoil shit.

[Anonymous No.3148815]

>>3148805
Same.

[Anonymous No.3148875]

>>3148767
that's why /trash/ is the best board of every image boards

[Anonymous No.3149060]

>>3137279
24 is pretty old, but if your nursing home offers art classes, why not take them?

[Anonymous No.3149077]

>>3149060
savage, get out the adult diapers, somebody's gonna need a cleanup

[Anonymous No.3149213]

>>3148767
>implying /pol/ is a board and not a subreddit

[Anonymous No.3149543]

>>3137356
Most people go to school or work and barely have time. Not everyone leeches off their parents

[Anonymous No.3149544]

>>3137384
Well he actually went to school for it and got taught professionally so..

[Anonymous No.3152072]

>>3137334
I have been lurking in 4chan, particularly /ic/ for more than 6 months without the need to engage in comments. Well, until now. Your advice is so solid and relevant to me that I would feel guilty not thanking you.
So thank you, anon.

[Anonymous No.3152087]

>>3137279
You lack confidence in yourself my dude. Any skill can be honed and you still have time to do so. Practice, practice and practice are your most important tools, aside from that you must have patience. Dont be afraid to walk away from a drawing if you have to and come back later. You can do anything and the only barriers are the ones you create.

[Anonymous No.3152128]

>>3137279
These words are from some anon posted on /ic/ in 2014

>As long as you focus on being better at art today than you were yesterday, then you'll be just fine. Starting earlier or later doesn't change the fact that it will take you a few years to get really gud. Let's say 5 as a ballpark figure.

>The next 5 years will pass no matter what. At on this day, five years from now, you could either be working on paintings and making money from your work, or you could be thinking the exact thoughts you are right now. Wondering if you'll ever make it, wondering if it's too late, is 27 too late, etc etc etc. If you want to be the artist you could be in those years to come, then pick up the pencil.

>The future comes by itself, progress does not.

This might be obvious and simple but it really made me to realize back then: do the thing. Focus on it. And then I practiced and changed my profession and found the job in game dev as an artist.

[Anonymous No.3152258]

>>3147658
You might procrastinate because of too much pressure. It sounds dumb but I made the most gains when I switched my mindset from
>oh God I need to make it soon
to
>I wonder how being a hobbyist feels, they seem happier and more relaxed
for a few months. Filled sketchbooks instead of avoiding them, made stuff I wanted to instead of planning checkpoint works on my way to being pro etc.

Mindset is hugely important for art, even Feng mentions it constantly. If you don't have your head in the right place, you won't make good progress or enjoy it. for me that meant pretending i was a hobbyist, and I ended up drawing more in the first week as a casual than I did the previous 3 weeks as a super serious professional with imagined pressures

[Anonymous No.3152501]

>>3147658
You have depression, go see a doctor.

I've relapsed for the second time now and this is exactly how it happens: you stop functioning.

[Anonymous No.3152502]

>>3152501
How did you break out of it?

[Anonymous No.3152520]

>>3152258
This is a good post.
Basically, I was became so concern about becoming good, I started to procrastinate more. However, as soon as I stopped caring about getting better and draw for fun, I actually started doing just that; draw!

Now, I'm not saying throw away the books and just be retarded. But rather, just simply drawing at your leisure is what helped me get better. Sure there's some discipline involved, but when you start working on things you love, you will become obsesses in fixing it, and this will resort to you looking up hampton, vilppu stuff, checking random youtube vids that'll actually help you cause that's the exact info you needed, seeing other's WIP on twitter, etc etc.

Just sharing my feelings on the subject.

[Anonymous No.3152522]

>>3152502
Mostly medicines, I'll start therapy sessions soon.

If you manage to go for a walk every morning and / or spend time to draw outside it's going to improve your health a lot, but remember it's something that happens over time... you don't see immediate results. At some point you'll look back at your day and think "oh nice, I haven't spent all day sleeping today" like you woke up from a bad dream.

If you're like me and you get panicky when you're outside, just forget about drawing and have the goal of taking a walk from point A to point B without stressing about it. It's a slow thing to heal from, you need to be patient with yourself even if right now you're completely unproductive.

In general, avoid things that are stressful or put pressure and axiety on you and do things that are relaxing. If you're like me and you think "I MUST MAKE BEAUTIFUL ART RIGHT NOW, THIS IS MY JOB/DUTY AND I NEED TO BE PRODUCTIVE OR I'M WORTHLESS" you're participating to a vicious circle that makes you procrastinate.

Yes there are people who can work under this sort of high pressure regimen and are always very motivated when the above thought happens in their mind.

Sadly people like me and you get beat down / depressed instead which is what makes up for 90% of the 'talent' argument. Doesn't mean we are doomed to work less or sloppy or be less successful. It just means we have to approach the problem differently and we have to do so against the belief that only the high pressure method works.

[Anonymous No.3152524]

>>3152520
>when you start working on things you love, you will become obsesses in fixing it, and this will resort to you looking up hampton, vilppu stuff, checking random youtube vids that'll actually help you cause that's the exact info you needed, seeing other's WIP on twitter, etc etc.

YOU DID IT

YOU FOUND THE GOLDEN ROAD

[Anonymous No.3152622]

>>3138381
What would you describe as the fundamentals, so beginners like me have a starting point. Everyone seems to have a different understanding on what the fundies are.

[Anonymous No.3152625]

>>3152622
The sticky.

>What's a good starting point

Draw something you like. Fail.
Ask yourself "how do I make this look better?"
Ask for feedback, look up books/videos. There.

[Anonymous No.3152636]

>>3138061
>>3138061
>>3138061
This

[Anonymous No.3152795]

>>3152128
Gonna frame these words, not OP but thanks for the inspiring quote anons!

[Anonymous No.3153286]

>>3152258
You're not wrong about the pressure being a part of it. I can doodle random shit for hours and hours without a care in the world.

But I don't want to doodle, I want to work towards a goal that has meaning to me. (also, not all my pressures are imagined - I'm hardly "pro industry tier", but I do pay my rent with my art)

>>3152501
But aside from the procrastination* I feel just fine.

I guess it can't hurt to set aside an hour or two to go outside every day, though. It's not like I wouldn't just spend that time procrastinating otherwise.

*and the associated fallout, like getting butthurt and stressed on days where I can't seem to get anything done

[Anonymous No.3153400]

>>3152258
I know what you mean and that is my problem aswell but with me it's a little bit different. My parents are in a huge debt and I can't live on my own in my country, because everything is so expensive. That makes me extremely stressed and pushes me into that unhealthy state of getting good as fast as possible. In the end I tend to procrastinate more than do actual work and that makes me stressed even more.I don't know how to escape this cycle of despair.

[Anonymous No.3153438]

>>3137279
This nigger didn't start until his mid-thirties.
Fuck outta here with this attitude, you're in your prime.

[Anonymous No.3153443]

>>3153438
>look up his work
>it's entirely made out of 3d and photobashing
why is it always methods I hate

[Anonymous No.3153452]

>>3153443
You don't have to trigger me too. I just wanted to believe he hand painted it all, come on.

[Anonymous No.3153456]

>>3137334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA1K3xUlZ50
I think a lot of people forget why they initially started to do the things they love. Drawing is a freaking blast.

[Anonymous No.3153460]

>>3153456
Yeah, how do you keep the fire going? It's hard when you have to do fundamentals which takes like 5x more time as the stuff you want to draw but can't do without fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.3153486]

OP, just stick to this shit and you are going to make it.

I think I've picked up drawing maybe 8 times in my life and never made it for longer than two weeks. I would fucking love to be able to just be decent because it's fun as hell but I am just always getting distracted by obstacles and tedious shit that life brings on. I try to deal with problems and fnd myself not training whatever for a few weeks thus losing all motivation.

It's been 22 years so far. Tried fucking drawing, lifting, coding, playing a harp and countless different things at least 4 times each. None lasted. I hatemy guts but I am working on it.

Today I found myself back on /ic/ and downloading basic books. This time I will stick to it, right?
We all know I won't, heh

[Anonymous No.3153489]

>>3153486
>We all know I won't, heh
Not with that fucking attitude. Get some fucking discipline.
JUST FUCKING DRAW.

[Anonymous No.3153500]

>>3153489
I will mate. I need to sober up a bit first tho.

[Anonymous No.3153691]

>>3153486
Physical books are a better help in my opinion.
Putting the computer aside is almost necessary if I want to be productive.
Plus I can take them with me and read them when I'm not at home or behind a computer.

[Anonymous No.3153776]

>>3153486
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.3153803]

>>3153691
I might start printing pdfs chapter by chapter I guess.
>>3153776
Turning 23 soon.

[Anonymous No.3153838]

>>3143107
Fuck your shrink. Per aspera ad astra. Listen to this once a day:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSnAdcyxCZ4

[Anonymous No.3154814]

>>3153803
>printing books
To be honest, save yourself the money and effort and buy physical copies, Bridgman's books are quite cheap for example.

[Anonymous No.3154858]

I'm 37 and I'm struggling as fuck. I'm still trying. I don't know if I'm crazy or right to even try.

[Anonymous No.3154859]

>>3154858
Me again. I'm trying but I feel like I'll never do it alone despites all the Internet ressources. Where can I fin a teacher online that wouldn't be pissed off at a disgusting beg level?

[Cuestionador No.3155059]

Thanks for all the many comments. I try to give up drawing many times but always have time to sketch something. Still think that my work is an utter piece of horseshit and maybe i deserve to be killed for that but who knows.

[Anonymous No.3155429]

Bump

[Cuestionador No.3155657]

>>3155059
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.3155659]

>>3155059
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.3155667]

>>3155059
>>3155657
>>3155659
I'm confused on several points here.
A, why would you pretend to make rude replies to your own post? Like, nobody would care even if it was real.
B, how do you forget to take off your name when doing so? That's just dumb.

[Anonymous No.3155669]

>>3153838
I dunno I think she's right. Having such high ambitions has only made me feel miserable and in the long way it's prevented me from getting better in the first place.

Paradoxically it's a lot easier to keep a mindset where you're content with being better than yesterday than being extremely harsh on yourself and accepting nothing less than being the best of the best.

[Anonymous No.3155670]

It's someone else taking the piss.
He didn't post in the thread before doing it, so the 4chan x IP counter outs him.

[Anonymous No.3155673]

>>3155667
>>3155670
>Me in charge of remembering to quote the post I'm responding to

[Anonymous No.3155674]

>>3137279
Have faith in yourself; develop confidence in your own power, reliance upon your own resources. If you believe you can, you will; if you think you can’t, you will fail. There is much truth in the old Latin motto: “Possunt quia posse videntur.” They can, because they think they can.

[Anonymous No.3155675]

>>3155670
>>3155673
This just raises even more questions.

[Anonymous No.3156101]

>>3137279
Drawing may not change how you feel about your life at all. You may be the same depressed faggot even after you gain drawing skills.

It doesn't matter. At the end of your life, you're going to look back and realize that you gave up drawing at the age of 24 because you thought you started too late. Then you're going to regret all that time you could have spent drawing cool shit. Have some perspective my man.

[RatKingMotherShitFuckTree No.3156798]

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[Anonymous No.3156800]

>>3137279

>You just can't compete with people who were granted education earlier, they will be better no matter how many hours you put, simply because you are so late.

This is actually a fallacy. Yeah, the people who start earlier get good earlier, but eventually you hit a ceiling at which skill level ceases to matter. Eventually, you're good enough that people don't hire you for your skill anymore, but rather for your style. No big client chooses Wes Burt over Craig Mullins over Ruan Jia over Jamie Jones or any other established pro because one is "better than" the other, but just because one artist's work fits the vision for the project.

Maybe it will take you until you're 34 to get as good as Wes Burt was at 24 (if you're really slow), but after you're that good, congratulations, you made it, and now you're starting your career as an artist. You just made it to the party a little later.

Seriously, don't worry about it. 24 is SUPER fucking young anyway.

[Anonymous No.3157747]

OP:Once a faggot, always a faggot.

[Anonymous No.3158295]

>>3156800
Not the anon you replied to, but this isn't factoring age. The truth is it's simply CRAZY to believe you have a chance at an art career when you're barely intermediate at 30.

[Anonymous No.3158306]

>>3158295
Why?

[Anonymous No.3158400]

>>3158295
are you speaking from actual experience?

[Anonymous No.3158438]

>>3158295
but not for reasons related to age. mainly because you're less likely to A) be the type of person to decide what they'll do so late, B) less likely to be capable of putting in the hours needed to get good due to responsibilities.

WOOTHA started his career at 33 or 34 or something. it's true he does a lot of 3D/photobash but his painting is on point. i challenge any nerd to pinpoint his bashing in his more known pieces. protip: you wont able to.

[Anonymous No.3158446]

>>3137279
>they were all pros at that time
You're forgetting that there wasn't really much to do back then. These people were bored and miserable. At least now you have a lot to do. I'm sure they would trade their early years of training for the fun-filled youth that you had.

[Anonymous No.3158486]

>>3158446
>fun-filled youth that you had.
KHV wizard here. Youth was filled with world of warcraft.

[Anonymous No.3158653]

>>3142428
I'm 29 and just starting and I could be insanely good at art if I wanted to be. I don't know this as some delusional fantasy either. I know that this is true. And I will prove it to you.

It bothers me that so many people are afflicted with this idea of being too old to do something.
The only reason I can think of for age having to do with anything is if you did not take care of your health very well.. You would definitely be feeling it by 30 with sluggish thinking and a hard time concentrating compared to how you used to be or could have been.

I'm a prime example. I was stricken with sleep apnea. Stopped breathing 2 hours a night combined for like 7 years. Only just now found out about it and am thankfully getting treated for it. Because of this, my ability to concentrate and hold onto newly learned information is so bad that I probably do learn as fast as a literal retard right now.

So what keeps me going?How do I know that I will most definitely succeed at this? My knowledge of improving the health of your brain. I read a book called boost your brain. By a college professor who owns a brain wellness center. You can not only practically repair all damage you do to your brain but also build a brain that is way stronger and healthier than it ever has been. A brain that learns way faster than you thought you could learn.

A brain that is maxed out in health and learning capability from a strategy designed to do this will create talent. Talent is picking up on things quickly. And when your brain is much healthier and strategically optimized to learn as fast as possible, and thus learn faster than anybody else who does not do this, what does this mean? It means that you become talented at everything because you learn faster than usual in general at everything. This will give you more talent at everything than anybody else who is not doing this.

[Anonymous No.3158687]

>>3158486
I dont know about you senpai but I had a shit-ton of fun in WoW growing up.
Not a KHV though.

[Anonymous No.3158694]

No point wallowing in this shit.

I'm 27 years old. Frank Miller is my hero.

When Frank was 27 he had completed his breakthrough run on Daredevil, retired from monthly comics, helped transform the character of Wolverine into the brooding samurai he is today and completed Ronin which was a revolutionary work in terms of artistry, technology and business. In just two years he'd become a living legend in the field with the one-two punch of Dark Knight Returns and Born Again.

I'm 27 years old and I'm /beg/tier.

What am I supposed to do about it? Nothing, except get over it and get better.

[Anonymous No.3158709]

>>3142434


average age on /ic/ is 22
Sometimes you'll get threads where everyone reveals their ages, got 22 from a sample of approx. 60 people from the last of said threads.

[Anonymous No.3158726]

>>3137279

>almost 24
>still a beginner
>not actually learning how to draw
>not sketching everyday
>instead draw weeb symbols every now and then
>only focuses on aesthetics without actual knowledge of planes and forms
>polishing turd

>m-my low born trash of parents couldn't afford to send me to a proper school for art

Adam Hughes is self taught and at 24 already making a name in the comic industry

Start studying Keys to Drawing you fucking plebs.
Stop drawing gaynimay weeb shit.

[Anonymous No.3158739]

>>3147711
Get your damn priorities in line man. You're just disrespecting yourself at this point.

[Anonymous No.3158777]

>>3158739
I don't know what you mean.

[Anonymous No.3158815]

>>3137353
No. Seriously. Is that your work on the left?

[Anonymous No.3158830]

You need Sinix's fingers. This is main secret of art

[Anonymous No.3159035]

>>3137279
Well in 22 And after of Take my decision I start to work in improve my (poor) drawing skill. And thinking about it I just can say, the same thing that everyone already said.

Stop blaming you and draw you have 2 options become professional or die trying it.

[Anonymous No.3159577]

>>3137279
You are 24? Just tell yourself you are 20. Problem solved.