/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2927097]

What are the advantages and downsides of working on a tablet computer? I'm thinking about getting a Microsoft Surface 4 or an iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil to draw on at work but I'd like to know what I'm getting into.

For example...how do you ctrl-z!?

I actually use an Intuos Large and a laptop at work currently and it's a close to perfect setup, but with the counter I work at having no leg room I have to kind of twist my body slightly and lurch forward somewhat to reach the drawing surface and keyboard, and I can tell that it's really not good for my back so a compromise needs to be made.

[Anonymous No.2927139]

You might need to buy a matte screen protector for some texture and might need to get used to a new drawing program and lack of desktop features depending.

[Anonymous No.2927166]

opinions, etc. etc.

pros:

- makes me more productive (no sitting at the same table you do retarded shit at like play videogames, watch porn, etc. different mindset)

- comfy as fuck, can use it anywhere

- feels like a sketchbook, you're thinking about drawing as soon as you pick it up, more """fun""" to draw on

cons:

- windows is absolute shit on a tablet, ui works like shit on art programs (csp is the most optimized for tablet use hands down, but still), have to use virtual hotkeys to get any sort of workflow, which kills the already critical real estate

- wacom emr is kinda shitty, jitters everywhere, horrible at edges or near magnets (such as those in the built in speakers)

- n-trig, while having much better edge performance, still has jitters and takes a stupid amount of pressure to activate (you have to press relatively hard to get any reading whatsoever, can't be fixed through pressure settings), terrible if you are light handed

- most "good" tablets have shit batteries, and are basically shitty outside of drawing, which is a pretty big minus considering the cost

- have to choose between being optimal for actual drawing and outside use (12 inches is great when seated in your house, but it's huge for when you need to carry it or use it in public)

- some get hot as fuck


General tips:
Surface pro 4 is kinda heavy/unbalanced to hold.
Surface book is much nicer, but it is also useless shit, because 75% of the battery is in the keyboard.
Ipad Pro felt great for drawing, screen is great, battery is good, it's light, procreate seems pretty good, but I don't know how viable ios is for general file management and such. I'm waiting for Ipad Pro 2.

I'd tell you to go to a store and try them out, but only Ipad pro has any sort of art software installed to demo, and even that is a 2 year old demo version of procreate + adobe sketch.
Surface pro/book has some microsoft garbage on it, but it won't tell you much.
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[Anonymous No.2927177]

>>2927166
(continued)

Ipad pro has the best digitizer tech hands down, as ridiculous as it sounds.

EMR and ntrig will have jitters on slower strokes, and above mentioned sensitivity issues (which you may not mind, depends).
The pencil is the most responsive to light pressure, and the tilt sensitivity is neat for sketching, but idk how much you'd use it in real work. I've read on /ic/ that it doesn't register the direction the pencil is facing, but that is bullshit, it works like conte. It also doesn't have changeable nibs afaik, and I'm not sure how fast it wears, so it might be more expensive than you'd like in the long run.

CSP is STRONGLY recommended if you're on windows, not only because it seems ot have been designed with touchscreen use in mind, but the stabilizer is very useful for said jitters as well.

I like the procreate interface, it was designed for the device, and it feels natural once you're used to it. It also needs no virtual hotkeys.

Like I said, I'm not fan of windows on tablets. They had a promising thing going with 8, but at some point all the software devs gave up on it, and switched back to desktop only.
It's workable, but annoying.

I'm looking at the ipad pro, but a new one is due soon™, so I'll wait for that.
Cons are that is expensive, has no sdcard slots and may or may not be critically bad for file management.

If you want to give at go and not commit, you can try asomething like an asus vivotab note 8 (you need the bamboo stylus additionally, the default is too weak) or toshiba dynapad (if you can find one) or something, see how you like the environment.

[Anonymous No.2927189]

>>2927177
I'm pretty close to getting an iPad with an Apple Pencil. I do a lot of my drawing in CSP as it is, is it compatible? There is a mac version on CSP's website but is the iPad's OS actually something different (like the Surface Pro's "Windows RT")?

Thanks a lot for your input thus far by the way. I'm actually not looking forward to this "upgrade" really, I feel that the Intuos Large coupled with a full keyboard is more ergonomic, comfortable, fast and accurate in most situations but at work it's just too goddamn bulky.

[Anonymous No.2927201]

>>2927189
Ipad PRO (you can't use the pencil with the other ipads) runs on ios, the same system iphones run on. Mac OS and ios are completely different things, and CSP is not compatible with ios.

Ios has some moderate multitasking capabilities (windows 8's splitscreen + picture-in-picture for videos), which is enough for art, studies, background noise, etc, but is not a desktop OS.

Stupid question, but have you considered getting a desk or one of those gaming one-handed keyboards or something?

[Anonymous No.2927222]

>>2927201
>Stupid question, but have you considered getting a desk or one of those gaming one-handed keyboards or something?

No such thing as a stupid question, maybe I just didn't emphasize that I intended to get this to draw at work exclusively enough. My setup at home couldn't be better, but the problem with bringing my existing equipment to work is that the counter I work at is like a big jewelry-style display case with cabinets and things so I have to not only kind of tilt my body to the side but lean way forward to draw and use the hotkeys in tandem.

I can already feel that contorting my body in this way could very well do irreparable damage to my spine over time, so I'm mostly entertaining the idea of drawing on a tablet computer just to alleviate these pressing ergonomic issues.

>Mac OS and ios are completely different things, and CSP is not compatible with ios.

Damn.

[Anonymous No.2927538]

>>2927189
>>2927222
Plus the Surface line hasn't used Windows RT for years either, and the Surface Pro never did. It's the same Windows as any desktop or laptop now.

[Anonymous No.2927566]

>>2927538
Yeah I knew RT was dead (and with good reason. yeesh) but I was just using it as an example of how I thought the relationship between Mac OS and iOS might be. Definitely sounds like the Surface is the way to go, in that case; I absolutely need to be able to do frame by frame animation on it and seeing as I can't use CSP and probably not ToonBoom either it would be a huge waste of money. Kind of a letdown, I really wanted to try the Apple Pencil but hell if it's using some gimped OS I can't really justify it.

[Anonymous No.2929453]

>buy a Surface Pro 4
>it's awful

I'm pretty ashamed of myself rn. What a regrettable turn of events. Alternatively, perhaps there's just a learning curve to it I simply haven't surmounted yet but I'm pretty perturbed that pressure sensitivity hasn't worked by default in any of the software I've tried apart from Medibang, for example

[Anonymous No.2929981]

I've made a terrible mistake and got memed out of $1,200.

New subject:

Buyer's remorse general

[Anonymous No.2929999]

>>2929981

What did you get, surface pro or ipad? Why didn't you like it?

[Anonymous No.2930015]

>>2929453
>perhaps there's just a learning curve to it
It's shit. It's not the tablet itself, all digitizer tech used in tablet pcs is trash.

[Anonymous No.2930042]

>>2927177
Thanks

[Anonymous No.2930063]

Why not just a Cintiq?

[Anonymous No.2930072]

I've got the note 10.1 2014, and for sketching its great, although I might sell it, as I've got an offer for surface 2 pro, with pen and keyboard for mere 250 euro. I hate the 10 inch display though, so not entirely sure do I want my next to be also 10.... Missed on an offer for 350 euro on surface pro 3, which has larger screen, but the ntrig has horrible reviews... Help me choose... Stay with Samsung galaxy 10.1 2014 edition, which is wacom. Get surface 2 with i5 10 inch for 250 euro with keyboard and pen and wacom screen, or surface 3 12 inch for 450 euro? Pic related made on my samsung

[Anonymous No.2930075]

>>2930072
>I've got the note 10.1 2014, and for sketching its great, although I might sell it, as I've got an offer for surface 2 pro, with pen and keyboard for mere 250 euro. I hate the 10 inch display though, so not entirely sure do I want my next to be also 10.... Missed on an offer for 350 euro on surface pro 3, which has larger screen, but the ntrig has horrible reviews... Help me choose... Stay with Samsung galaxy 10.1 2014 edition, which is wacom. Get surface 2 with i5 10 inch for 250 euro with keyboard and pen and wacom screen, or surface 3 12 inch for 450 euro? Pic related made on my samsung

Forgot pic related, its made on my Samsung in sketchbook pro and infinite painter.