Oh Proko

[Anonymous No.2831525]

Where did it all start going wrong?

[Anonymous No.2831526]

>>2831525
he's so sure of himself this entire video. why?
https://youtu.be/_c-Wul92wQc

[Anonymous No.2831528]

>>2831525
He looks so happy, it kind of hurts.

[Anonymous No.2831536]

>>2831528
breaks my fuckin heart anon

[Anonymous No.2831545]

>>2831525
>>2831526

it looks like he's moving into "Draw With Jazza" territory which make him more money on youtube but it really is waste of talent.

let this be a lesson to all you d/ic/ks: have a clear artistic vision in your mind or else you'll end up lost and squandering your talents on dog comics like proko

[Anonymous No.2831555]

>>2831525
Oh dear

[Anonymous No.2831561]

>This entire video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6wdDNnHRO4
I think his wife destroyed him

[Anonymous No.2831611]

Has he had an aneurysm that made him forget how to draw?

[Anonymous No.2831615]

>>2831611

Actually it might be a sign of some sort of hidden disease, maybe Proko indeed is ill.

[Anonymous No.2831616]

>>2831525
>>2831561
Proko, more like Procuck tbqh.

BLACKED WHEN?

[Anonymous No.2831618]

>>2831615
>A disease that makes you lose all your art gains
This is my worst nightmare.

[Anonymous No.2831626]

>>2831525

>have online presence teaching representational drawing in comprehensive courses
>instead of making videos where he applies what he teaches just draws shitty cartoons completely unrelated to previous material instead

lol what

[Anonymous No.2831635]

>>2831525
but it's a cute puppy OP

[Anonymous No.2831642]

I'm still going to watch the rest of his art instruction videos, he gives good info.

[Anonymous No.2831652]

>>2831525
His real life drawingso are phenomenal. Heso learning.

[Anonymous No.2831679]

>>2831618

It happens more often than you might think and I'm not even speaking of something like Alzheimer. Often peopl after aneurysm or some car crash involving head injuries have their mentality a bit changed, like people who were always energetic or quick to anger become very slow and reserved. Something as simple as that or someone punching you in the head as you stand on the bus stop can effectively kill your personality/art if you are unfortunate enough.

[Anonymous No.2831690]

>>2831679
>or someone punching you in the head as you stand on the bus stop

uh does this actually happen often? Where do you live, Compton?

[Anonymous No.2831700]

>>2831616

[Anonymous No.2831705]

>>2831545
This. This is waht happens when all you care about is muh loomis and muh realism. You will reach a point in your career when you will able to perfectly draw naked man and perfectly reproduce their firm gluteus maximus but nobody will give a shit. Then you will have to start licking tumblr's ass and draw deformed hellish creature and minions to survive and get on par with the hip kids. Screencap this /ic/

[Anonymous No.2831713]

Jazza Jizzed his Jazzy Jizzum All over proko

[Anonymous No.2831715]

>>2831705

I think most of us know already that loomis is a meme and nothing more than an inside joke.

[Anonymous No.2831728]

>>2831715
Quite a hurtful joke.

[Anonymous No.2831730]

>>2831700
>dat numale chin

>>2831715
Knowing at least the basic fundamentals before moving anywhere is a good idea though.

[Anonymous No.2831741]

This thread is too much kek

[Anonymous No.2831748]

[Anonymous No.2831770]

>>2831525
Why do people hate this so much?
It's just a fun little project. Cartooning is a completely different skillset that takes years to master on it's own.
The comic itself reads well, and he did capture the dogs likeness ok.

[Anonymous No.2831777]

>>2831526
>>2831700
>>2831748

[Anonymous No.2831786]

>>2831770
hi proko

[Anonymous No.2831789]

>>2831705
Oh so you are using this to make yourself feel better about being a shit artist instead of putting in the time and hard work.

[Anonymous No.2831790]

>>2831786
>proko posting on a literal porn dump site

now really, vilppu can't cartoon, your art teacher can't cartoon, fine artists never do

[Anonymous No.2831791]

>>2831790
But Loomis could.

[Anonymous No.2831792]

>>2831790
>fine artist

[Anonymous No.2831793]

>>2831790
>Vilppu can't cartoon

Nigga...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0898449/?ref_=nv_sr_3

[Anonymous No.2831798]

>>2831793
>vilppu worked on my little pony movie

[Anonymous No.2831802]

>>2831793
Did he design the characters tho?
Anywho Vilppu learned animation after his fine arts training.

[Anonymous No.2831807]

>>2831798
You mirin'? (I know I am)

>>2831802
No but as a storyboard artist and director he'd certainly draw them

[Anonymous No.2831810]

>>2831730
>Knowing at least the basic fundamentals before moving anywhere is a good idea though.
Eeeehhhh sometimes, if I followed that advice than I wouldn't be drawing at all because fun > drawing something good when a beginner. Only follow that advice if you plan on making a career out of art.

[Anonymous No.2831811]

>>2831705
if anything loomis teaches you how to draw from memory, not how to replicate shit using references.
stop being so dumb, please.

[Anonymous No.2831815]

>>2831715
except that it's not a joke. time to stop being a scrub, scrubby.

[Anonymous No.2831818]

>>2831730
>Knowing at least the basic fundamentals before moving anywhere is a good idea though.
You should study them yes, but you should still draw whatever you like to draw and never stop doing it.
You will not find a fantastick dragon dick artist who just picked up dragon dicks after mastering "loomis".

[Anonymous No.2831826]

>>2831815

It's always been a joke. It's not even an /ic/ meme even 10-15 years ago it was a joke in the art community. It's the equivalent to SICP for /g/ or boku no pico for /a/ etc etc

[Anonymous No.2831828]

>>2831815
>he doesn't know
my sides

[Anonymous No.2831839]

>>2831826
It better be, loomis is a bit of a trap 22, you get a better at understanding loomis once you get better at drawing.

[Anonymous No.2831840]

>>2831700
kek

[Anonymous No.2831850]

>Is Loomis a meme? Did I waste my time? I'm fucking lost, what should I do?

Here is a pasta if you're lost:

>It's only a meme in the sense it gets automatically recommended to beginner in every situation. It's a set of solid books that are considered classics and it was a big deal when they got reprinted a few years back because before that they were out of print and overly expensive, and people would be forced to share illegal digital copies.

>Anyways, there's good info in them, but I think some of his material is better suited for intermediate artists than true beginners. I also think his stuff either "clicks" or it doesn't. Some people swear by him, but others it doesn't work. Personally I had a lot more success with understanding figure drawing when I abandoned Loomis and used Bridgman instead. Try stuff out, see what works for you.

Remember, Loomis is a tool to help you with the human figure. That's why it's here considered for intermediates. The most important is to be first able to draw shapes and to see the volumes you want to make appear on a 2d space. To achieve this, you study pictures or still life stuff in order to see how the shapes can be combined togheter. Books (not only Loomis) are here to help you to understand it faster and/or better and to convert the shapes onto a 2d representation.

[Anonymous No.2831866]

>>2831748
brilliant

[Anonymous No.2831872]

>>2831793
Neat. He worked on The Fox and the Hound one of my favorite animations ever. Just curious what a layout artist do?

[Anonymous No.2831876]

>>2831850
>Bridgman

[Anonymous No.2831879]

>>2831828
>he hasn't made it
sorry, kid.

[Anonymous No.2831882]

>>2831850
good post. agreed on everything you said.
the problem with ic dunning krugers is that they think they'll make it just by mindlessly copying other artists instead of learning their fundamentals first.
never gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.2831896]

>>2831882
the problem with /ic/'s wiseass scholars such as yourself is that you 'people' think that you shouldn't practice copying artist style while studying fundamental as the act of simply drawing everyday, no matter the subject matter, is important.
remove yourself

[Anonymous No.2831908]

>>2831525
He looks like Moriarty from that investigator tv show.

[Anonymous No.2831911]

>>2831770
Did you see the full cartoon? Profile side of dog looks like it got its face bashed in with a shovel. Don't forget the kangaroo whatever thing as well.

[Anonymous No.2831914]

>>2831911
What do you mean? The profiles of the dogs are concave, it's what shi-tzu dogs look like -

[Anonymous No.2831933]

>>2831826
I don't understand you. SICP is a pretty good book, a classic. It's one of the great scheme programming books, and it certainly expanded my horizons on programming.

Boku no pico is a trashy pedophile anime for boy lovers.

They couldn't be further apart in quality level. In fact the only similarity I can see is that people talk about both of them, in many cases talking about it without having actually read/watched it themselves.

So are you saying Loomis is good? Or are you saying it's bad? Or are you just saying that people like to talk about it, often without having read Loomis for themselves?

Or more likely, you're just trolling and I'm just wasting my time

[Anonymous No.2831935]

>>2831914
They still don't look like pic related.

[Anonymous No.2831962]

>>2831935
Does anyone have the parody of this where she Reeeee's?

[Anonymous No.2831974]

>>2831818
And where exactly does Loomis tell you in his books to stop drawing whatever you like to draw?

[Anonymous No.2831975]

>>2831974
D:

[Anonymous No.2832008]

>>2831933
>SICP is a pretty good book, a classic

you gotta try harder, love. Don't mention the word 'classic' or it'll give away your memery.

[Anonymous No.2832025]

Honestly though this puppy looks super cute. And Proko looks really happy drawing it too. It's a simplified style, not as cool as his casual works, but who fucking cares? Why are all of you so bitter?

[Anonymous No.2832037]

>>2831935
The lizard is the only good thing in that comic

[Anonymous No.2832041]

>>2832025
Because I have no wife who'd appreciate my shitty drawings.

[Anonymous No.2832051]

>>2832008
Not meming, it's a good book.

[Anonymous No.2832055]

>>2832025
Bigger problem is the stiff poses and the inconsistency of the character design from different angles.

[Anonymous No.2832088]

>>2831545
proko jokes aside this is a pretty huge problem with /ic/

everyone is so worried about gittin gud in a general sense that they forget to take a career path

[Anonymous No.2832091]

>>2832041
You do not need wife for that, friend.

[Anonymous No.2832093]

>>2831974
/ic/ does. It's not uncommon to see a Jehovah's Loomis pastor in the Alternative Artstyle threads trying to convert everyone like the philosophies of Loomis isn't shoved down everyone's throats already

[Anonymous No.2832109]

>>2832055
which is forgiveable as he came up with them on the spot

I don't know about others but I spend a far bit of time making ref sheets of my characters in different angles and different expressions.

[Anonymous No.2832111]

>>2831935
but they do?
the dog I posted looks much deformed than those drawings

[Anonymous No.2832130]

>>2831935
The fact that the art style's kinda wonky only makes it more endearing.

Proko a cute! A CUTE!

[Anonymous No.2832150]

man, this puppy awakens my motherly instinct. It looks so gentle, so cute...

[Anonymous No.2832173]

>>2832130
>>2832150
>>2832025

His puppies are not cute. They are very awkward and disgusting. Looking at them make me feel physically uneasy.

The character designs do not have any appeal at all.

Why is Eva's front legs so much longer than her backwards. Why is she always leaning to one side looking like she's going to fall over?

Why is wall-e facing the viewer dead on sos he looks flat, and you can never see the rest of his form? Oh because he can't draw him from other angles. Also Wall-E appears to have 3 different heads he can switch to with different cranium sizes, snouts, eyeshapes, etc. Or did wall-e just get 2 different dogs to help him look for the guns?

Story-wise, it's terrible too. Is that really supposed to be a joke? "poly-gun", seriously? Also Wall-E is apparently to stupid to know what a gangster is, but he knows what polygons are.

And the poses are just terrible.

It's not even fun either. Isn't this supposed to be a cartoon? How about some funny dog poses, jumping around, or doing some kind of fantastic silly actions? No, just have the two dogs just standing next to each other, or crappy portrait views. Through in an awkward 3/4 "action pose" looking down a sewer. I mean c'mon the dogs are just standing around in nearly every panel. C'mon they're dogs, not lawn ornaments. Give them a little life. One of the great things about cartoons is that you can draw things that aren't present in reality, and exaggerate/emphasize reality at will. Knowing this, Proko decided make the dogs stand awkwardly in every shot. What a waste, if he's trying to just do it for fun, how about put a little fun into the drawing?

Ok I'll say something nice now. I like the colors he used.

[Anonymous No.2832178]

>>2832173
Oh and pic related in that image is an actually cute, appealing cartoon, unlike Proko's "dogs".

[Anonymous No.2832181]

>>2832173
>>2832178
Shut up, those are ugly, Prokos drawings are cute. You're just a jealous faggot.

[Anonymous No.2832183]

>>2832181
Being blind must make life very hard for you.

[Anonymous No.2832186]

>>2832183
Post your work fag, Proko is better than 99.9999999999999% of /ic/, so shut the fuck up jealous bitch cunt.

[Anonymous No.2832188]

>>2832183

it's another 5 old men 10,000 years ago are better than X artist present day comparison episode

[Anonymous No.2832192]

>>2832178
i mean, these are amazing artists, no doubt, but proko's puppy does look cuter...

[Anonymous No.2832195]

I hate little gay ass inbred dogs like that.

[Anonymous No.2832255]

>>2831935
i'm a fag who has sucked 1000 dicks and this comic is gayer than me. this is tumblr-tier shit, not the kind of thing I expect from someone who studied for years at watts atelier.

[Anonymous No.2832376]

>>2832195
a german shepherd or dobbermann is just as imbred as these, but less healthy

[Anonymous No.2832394]

Why is it so hard to understand that drawing humans well doesn't mean you will draw animals well you retards. In order to draw cartoons well, in addition to understanding fundamentals you also need to be able to understand shape language something which takes years in itself to master.

[Anonymous No.2832400]

>>2831528
>>2831536

It hurts me too. Jesus...

[Anonymous No.2832402]

Let's make this bitter thread more cheeful.
Draw Proko's dogs in your own style.

[Anonymous No.2832407]

>>2832402
Better than proko imo. how long have you been studying?

[Anonymous No.2832410]

>>2832407
4 years

[Anonymous No.2832414]

>>2831525
>Tfw shadman is better than proko

[Anonymous No.2832423]

>>2831790
vilppu used to teach it for disney or some shit

[Anonymous No.2832425]

>>2832394
>you also need to be able to understand shape language something which takes years in itself to master.

he has been studying at an atelier for over a decade anon

[Anonymous No.2832426]

>>2831935
haha i like it

[Anonymous No.2832467]

he can't stylize shit

[Anonymous No.2832491]

>>2832467
the lizard is dope

[Anonymous No.2832509]

>>2832425

And they don't teach much in terms of shape design.

[Anonymous No.2832555]

>>2832186

[Anonymous No.2832557]

>>2832555
total

annihilation

[Anonymous No.2832588]

>>2832555
I call it "Bold and Brash"

[Anonymous No.2832620]

>>2832555

[Anonymous No.2832626]

>>2832620
resize

[Anonymous No.2832628]

>>2832620
>>2832626
oh my
KEK

[Anonymous No.2832630]

>>2831715
>Loomis is a joke
Post your work if you're so sure of yourself.

Loomis is a great teacher, and after 50+ years Figure Drawing for All It's Worth is still one of the best resources available for construction and perspective.
You're probably just mad that you started with Fun with a Pencil (a book for literal children) and didn't improve with it.

[Anonymous No.2832632]

>>2832620
>>2832626
Good fucking lord.
This meme has gone way too far.

[Anonymous No.2832634]

meh, i've never seen anyone on ic perform at his level of figure drawing even though that's what most cunts here do exclusively

[Anonymous No.2832639]

>>2832634
True, but no one is mocking his figure drawing here.

[Anonymous No.2832642]

>>2832634
>figure drawing
That's a god damn painting.

[Anonymous No.2832666]

>>2832634
Lmao is that his figure drawing I'll be at that level in a year lmao

[Anonymous No.2832701]

>>2832634
That's pretty good no bs. He just sucks at imagination. How long has he been studying imagination anons?

[Anonymous No.2832702]

>>2832642
same same

[Anonymous No.2832704]

>>2832701
Considering how Watts says that construction from imagination is one of the hardest things, I doubt very long. Although, it doesn't explain people who seem to do it like it's easy. I'm not sure if Watts is just bullshitting or not, he's worked in the industry before.

[Anonymous No.2832727]

>>2832626
OK i put way too much fucking time into this, but i do like it for some reason!

[Anonymous No.2832758]

>>2831770
this desu but that doesn't help the fact that he currently sucks at it. I guess most people, myself included, assumed that at least some of his skill would carry over. observational drawing requires good fundamentals, and those should be universally applicable. Hell I could draw a better cartoon dog and he's 100x the artist I could ever hope to be

[Anonymous No.2832803]

This is a good example of why ateliers aren't actually that great. You learn to render like a motherfucker, but since the vast majority of it is drawing or painting from life, you end up not being able to draw from imagination to save your fucking life. Also, shih tzus are the fucking worst, and every annoying young married couple has two of them.

[Anonymous No.2832807]

>>2832803
Proko is just not used to teaching live. He's more of a prep a video kind of guy.

[Anonymous No.2832847]

>>2832727

Someone should mail this to Proko or put it in his next livestream.

[Anonymous No.2832848]

>>2832727
Mother of jej

[Anonymous No.2832851]

>>2832727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thxuug3Fyhs

[Anonymous No.2832864]

The fact that /ic/ has completely disconnected constructive drawing from life drawing makes me fucking sorry

[Anonymous No.2832873]

>>2831896
subject matter seriously doesn't matter tho. as long as you know what you are studying and how to do it efficiently, you'll be okay no matter what you are drawing.
I really don't understand what's the point you are trying to make.

[Anonymous No.2832875]

>>2832864

Are you a retard or just braindead? Proko has whole course dedicated to constructive anatomy. Jesus fuck, where were you the whole time?

[Anonymous No.2832876]

Proko is being exposed to be not that much good of an artist. He can do good work but only if he has a picture beside of him. Your true skill is when you dont have google and you dont have a camera. If proko doesnt have resources like this, he cant do much.

[Anonymous No.2832898]

>>2832875
Yet he can't even draw basic shapes from imagination.

[Anonymous No.2832904]

>>2832555
Which video is this from?

[Anonymous No.2832913]

>>2832898
anons defending proko don't seem to get why this is so troubling

[Anonymous No.2832943]

>>2832727

This looks like some MAN AFTER MAN horror

[Anonymous No.2832969]

>>2832727

I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't sleep, so I checked /ic/ on my phone. I saw this abomination and I was legit scared to go pee in the bathroom

[Anonymous No.2832994]

>>2832620
>>2832626
>>2832727
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[Anonymous No.2833013]

>>2832727
I can't stop laughing

[Anonymous No.2833018]

>>2832630
>You're probably just mad that you started with Fun with a Pencil (a book for literal children) and didn't improve with it.

you bet your ass, spent a whole summer during my childhood with that crap book. If loomis were alive today I'd put a bullet through his fucking head.

[Anonymous No.2833020]

>>2832727
I love /ic/

[Anonymous No.2833038]

>>2832727
Disturbing, but I want to see more.

[Anonymous No.2833086]

>>2832904
https://youtu.be/oZsZzSryLB4

[Anonymous No.2833090]

>>2832704
Yeah, but this isn't some hyperrealistic thing he's drawing from imagination. It's a cartoon. It shouldn't take you 20+ years studying at the best atelier in the world to draw a decent cartoon.

[Anonymous No.2833294]

>>2833038

[Anonymous No.2833297]

>>2833294
the fuck

[Anonymous No.2833300]

>>2833294
don't stop

[Anonymous No.2833329]

>>2833300

[Anonymous No.2833330]

>>2833294
I want to see this in museums in future. Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.2833332]

>>2833329

[Anonymous No.2833419]

>>2833332
Do not encurage him.
I repeat:
DO NOT ENCURAGE HIM!

[Anonymous No.2833445]

>>2833329

[Anonymous No.2833693]

>>2832402
Wal-eeeeee

[Anonymous No.2833708]

>>2833693
What a fancy pupper

[Anonymous No.2833741]

>>2833090

this 100x

[Anonymous No.2833768]

>spends years learning from based Jeff Watts
>long enough to become an instructor
>travels with Jeff to Russia
>still symbol draws
>that kangaroo fetus thing
Wtf I hate watts atelier now?

[Anonymous No.2833814]

>>2831528
>>2831536
>>2832400
it does

why can't he be a jaded depressed asshole like the rest of us

[Anonymous No.2833864]

>>2832173
I love this model sheet too, the epitome of simple cartoon cuteness.

Proko throws away all his knowledge of gesture and form when he cartoons and to top it off he fails at appeal. I used think he was like Michelangelo at drawing, now knowing that I am a much better cartoonist than he will probably ever be, I'm a bit sad.

[Anonymous No.2833867]

>>2833864
>he will probably ever be
if he focused on cartooning for a year or 2 he could git gud imo

[Anonymous No.2833881]

>>2833867
Nah, drawing cartoons and drawing real life things are totally different skills. John K said it best:

>I'm really starting to wonder how trying to draw realistically can help cartooning. The closer I study what things really look like, the more I realize how much more complex reality is than cartoons. That probably sounds obvious.
>Some things just can't be captured in line alone, for one thing.
>I have been trying to figure out the mechanics and structure of the whole mouth area and it's a nightmare of complexity. -at least for me. It sure has nothing to do with the way we cheat mouth shapes for cartooning.
>I have the typical cartoonists' problem of drawing eyes and heads bigger than they are in reality. When I think of how many cartoon productions have tried to animate in a realistic style, my mind boggles at the pure futility of it. It's hard enough to do one drawing that's remotely realistic, let alone trying to move it in space.
>I think cartooning is almost a completely different art than illustration, even though you sometimes see some overlap.
>
Cartoonists - at least the best ones- rely more on imagination than complex drawing skills. The kind of skills that great illustrators have must derive from some totally different otherworldly sense than what cartoonists create with.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2010/10/arnold-studies.html

[Anonymous No.2833889]

>>2833881
calm down keegan

[Anonymous No.2833890]

>>2831935
Haha! Do you mind if I save this image?

[Anonymous No.2833891]

>>2833881
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2007/04/cal-arts-1-apology-to-students.html

I wonder why I never see this [life drawing] talent translated into cartoon drawings or animation and acting, particularly in cartoons that are considered the "Cal Arts Style"-Don Bluth, Disney, Pixar, Cats Don't Dance etc. Or now- the flat style- The Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon TV fake UPA style.

None of these cartoons reflect the observational ability that I see in these life drawings.

Disconnect between life drawings and cartoon drawings
There were a few cartoon style drawings that hung on the walls and if I'd only seen those I would have assumed there was not much talent at Cal Arts. They mostly fit into current trendy non-principled styles, the ones I listed above.

It makes me ask the question; "What's the point of having strong talent and observational skills and then to turn around and not use any of these abilities in the cartoon drawings?"

Many of the cartoon drawings were at the level of typical Cartoon Network kiddie shows so it makes me wonder why the huge disconnect between the draftsmanship in the life drawings and the flat simplistic uninspiring cartoon drawings.

HOW CAN LIFE DRAWINGS HELP ANIMATION?

I know from 20 years of hiring and training students from Cal Arts and other schools-and kids with no schooling at all - that having good life drawings is absolutely no indication whatsoever of whether you can be a functional cartoonist or animator.

I know every animation school tells the students how important life drawing is, but then they don't teach you how to apply what you could be learning from your life drawings to your cartoon drawings.

I've been fooled before. Ive hired artists who had great life drawings in their portfolio, and then found out they couldn't draw a cartoon to save their life. They couldn't make up a drawing out of their head and turn it around and pose it and make up expressions- all functional needs if you are to be an animation artist.

[Anonymous No.2833894]

>>2833891
I have spent a ton of my own money retraining artists who already spent a hundred thousand dollars or so for 4 years at school and didn't learn to be functional.

This makes me mad, not at you students, but at the schools for not doing their job. I figure they owe me a lot of money because I have to redo their jobs for them. It's pretty established that I have trained a ton of artists and that after I do, these same artists are then in demand by all the other studios in town, so I hope you will take advantage of some tips I will give you for free now, while you have time at school to learn important principles of animation and drawing.
NEED A CLASS TO TEACH APPLYING WHAT YOU LEARN IN LIFE DRAWING TO YOUR ANIMATION AND CARTOONS

While I agree in theory that life drawing can be helpful to animators, it doesn't automatically follow that spending a lot of time drawing models makes you a good animator.

School should be methodical. It should teach you skills and then how to apply the skills to typical practical problems that you will encounter in the real world.

How many of you have seen artists who are really great at drawing something that is put in front of them, but when they have to make something up out of their heads, they can't do it? They draw primitively when they have to rely on their imagination or memory. It happens all the time.

Then you might know someone who isn't very good at copying things, but can animate and create things that look great, just out of her head.

The point of doing life drawings is to learn things that you can REMEMBER and then apply to your creative drawings-the ones you make up.

There should be a class that is a link between your life drawing class that makes you remember certain things about your life drawing class and then methodically apply what you learned to a cartoon drawing or a scene of animation.

Not anatomy. Anatomical cartoons tend to look awkward and clunky.

[Anonymous No.2833896]

>>2833881
Not imagination but creativity. You need to be creative and have a good sense of aesthetic. Anyone can draw shit from imagination with practice.

[Anonymous No.2833899]

>>2833894

Construction, Perspective, Solidity of structure but with organic surfaces, Individual specific features, Human expressions-as opposed to "animation expressions"


If your cartoon drawings are in some specific modern trendy style-like the flat style, then you don't need life drawing. In fact, you don't need to waste a hundred thousand dollars and 4 years of your life drawing in a style that so many amateurs with half your talent learn just by watching the Cartoon Network and copying the shows for free at home. There are a million people who can draw in that style.

You have talent. Don't you wanna show the amateurs and posers up? You can certainly do it, but you'd have to be methodical about getting there and you need to learn the difference between good drawing principles and stylistic cliches. You want to know how to take your observations from life and interpret what you have observed from life into cartoon form.

MAKE YOUR TEACHERS EARN THEIR MONEY
If I was your teacher, I wouldn't even let you design your own characters in animation class. I would make you animate characters that already work-simple, well constructed characters like Elmer Fudd, Donald Duck or Tom and Jerry. Students shouldn't even be trying to design their own characters. You need to learn to animate in 3 dimensions first. If you are struggling to animate an amateurish awkward design, your progress will be hugely handicapped. I would put your tuition to the most efficient use and give you the tools you need to be functional when you get out of school.

You should run and beg your teachers to show you fundamentals and to criticize your work if it's awkward, flat or clumsy. Otherwise you are throwing away a lot of money.

If you just want to be "creative" and an "individual", you don't need to go to school for that. Save your money and be a hippie at home! Schools should teach you decades of experience and fundamental knowledge.

[Anonymous No.2833901]

>>2833899
Draw better than the hacks and make good drawing be in demand. Your talent can lift the whole business up and make the hacks scramble to keep up with you! Don't aim low or you and all creative people will pay dearly for it later.

I know you are young and therefore rebellious and suspicious of all experience and authority and I don't blame you. I'm old and STILL suspicious of authority! But I distrust arbitrary authority-like dumbass executives who can't draw a straight line to save their life.

But I'll tell you one thing, I sure as hell begged Clampett, Jones, Avery, Hanna and a lot of the classic animators I knew to teach me every possible little thing they were willing to share with me and I applied many of their hard won techniques to my own cartoons and created my own style and quite a revolution doing it.

You can be much more of an individual if you learn the difference between solid principles and stylistic tricks so I can only hope a few of you take my advice and make yourselves the most powerful and creative artists your gifts will allow you to be.

I wouldn't go to this much trouble if I hadn't seen the strong talent and observational skills in your life drawings. Now I'd love to see you put that same kind of thinking into your cartoons!

[Anonymous No.2834010]

>>2831908
>He looks like Moriarty from that investigator tv show.
You know who Moriarty but you don't know the name of the series or protagonist?
he does though

[Anonymous No.2834388]

>>2834010
pls only bully proko

[Anonymous No.2834462]

>>2831962
got your back Anon

[Anonymous No.2834498]

>>2834462
lel

[Anonymous No.2834515]

>>2834462
fuck

[Anonymous No.2834587]

The conclusion of this whole incident is that creative talent exists and Proko doesn't have much of it. You need "it". You need the "eye". You need that slightly special mind that can produce vivid imaginings, scenes, creatures, compositions. The type of mind that can see a hundred different faces in a patterned wall or floor. The mind that can glimpse a fleeting expression, comprehend its subtlety, capture it, accentuate it, frame it on the page and, by depicting it, express a magical depth unobserved by less penetrating minds. You also need that which we call taste - the intuitive ability to independently make strong judgements about why some art is just right and some art is off target.

Creativity is an inborn faculty of the brain. Those who have it know. No-one taught you this faculty - your brain just spontaneously generates ideas when fed information from the outside world. Proko is just a well trained machine.

[Anonymous No.2834616]

>>2834587
Wrong. Creativity is a skill like any other. It can be increased through thoughtful deliberate practice.

But you do have to practice it. Creativity won't just appear on its own from practicing drawing skills. You need to do more than learning to draw to be creative.

[Anonymous No.2834634]

>>2834616
you can only learn mathematics, you can't improve your cerebral capacity for abstract thought.

go on, try really really really really hard. "Deliberately" hard. Become a Newton, a Velasquez or a Usain Bolt. I'm sure you'll get there.

You have not understanding or appreciation for the things that lie beyond your little thoughts that orchestrate your entire life.

[Anonymous No.2834649]

>>2831935
This is legitimately cringy. I'm honestly in disbelief at the lack of self-awareness when creating this monstrosity.

[Anonymous No.2834657]

>>2833693
much better

>>2834462
kek

[Anonymous No.2834662]

>>2834634
Not that guy, but youi're a fucking moron who completely misses the point. If someone worked really hard on improving their 100m sprint for lets say 2 years, improved their diet and had an effective workout routine then it is virtually impossible that this person would NOT get better at sprinting in that time period. Will they ever be Usain Bolt? Of fucking course not, but that is completely besides the point.

Naturally, you, me and 99.9% of the world's population will never be the greatest at something, but you have to be an exceptionally pathetic loser to use this fact to convince yourself that it's not worth it to try and get decent at something just because you won't ever be the greatest at it.

[Anonymous No.2834703]

>>2834662
>but youi're a fucking moron who completely misses the point.
>uses retarded and wrong analogy that doesn't prove anything in any relation to the topic
You must be 18+ to use this site.

[Anonymous No.2834717]

>>2834662
I'm not talking about whether people should try in life or not. You can't get anywhere without taking action. I'm talking about why Proko is shit at drawing imaginatively after over a decade of artistic training. To use your analogy he's like a person who tries really hard to improve his 100m time, does everything perfectly, and still only runs it in 15 seconds.

Also, creative people don't have to train to become creative. They are that way without using any fancy training courses. Nor are energetic or talkative or intelligent people.

Take it from me: when you're creative your brain just automatically generates a lot of different ideas very easily. That's just what it feels like.

[Anonymous No.2834724]

>>2834717
>Also, creative people don't have to train to become creative. They are that way without using any fancy training courses. Nor are energetic or talkative or intelligent people.

This is not true. Creativity can be trained, you can do exercises to increase your creativity. Everyone is creative innately to some extent. Sure, some may be naturally more creative than others. But everyone can increase their creativity by practicing being creative, and doing creative things.

[Anonymous No.2834744]

>>2831525
Nothing went wrong, he's always been this way. The man's strength lies in teaching rather than his own artistic ability. Not saying that he's bad, he's just better at helping others than creating. On top of this he doesn't focus his art on cartooning.

[Anonymous No.2834745]

>>2834744
"If you can't do, teach"

[Anonymous No.2834759]

>>2834717
>take it from me

lmao

[Anonymous No.2834793]

Proko and Jazza have always been the same kind of thing. They're in this area of art that's more 'wholesome' and family friendly. They always seem happy and cheerful, friendly even. So naturally, /i/ hates them because they are the antithesis of /i/. I wouldn't even define it as jealously. It's just something where /i/ hates people that are successful while being in good spirits. Also he's never really been a cartoonist. Guy's clearly more of a traditional artist.

[Anonymous No.2834845]

>>2834793
He's a copy machine. He have zero creativity.

[Anonymous No.2834852]

>OP
>this thread
>more than 168 comments
When did /ic/ become overrun with gossiping little faggots?

He makes helpful videos and posts them online. he made a comic about his dogs.

That's all there is to the man. SHUT UP

[Anonymous No.2834854]

>>2831618

[Anonymous No.2834876]

>>2834854
Contemporary art

[Anonymous No.2834878]

>>2834876
>Contemporary art
Is this word a meme I've been seeing it a lot lately.

[Anonymous No.2834914]

>>2834878
are you fucking retarded? its literally art from this current century. I bet youre one of those faggots that think this current century art is called modern art, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2835286]

>>2834854
Who's this guy? His art until 97 was pretty nice

[Anonymous No.2835293]

>>2835286
Artist with dementia did self portrait every year to document his degrading. By the last portrait he didn't even remember what his face looked like

[Anonymous No.2835309]

>>2831935

[Anonymous No.2835315]

>>2831525
Jeff Watts is going to murder him

[Anonymous No.2835316]

>>2833890
It's all yours.

[Anonymous No.2835318]

>>2835315
>implying Jeff Watts doesn't make similar doggo comics behind closed doors
I'm sure he's probably the one who taught Proko how to do this and that's why he was so confident in his abilities. Poor lad.

[Anonymous No.2835319]

>>2835318
You take that back about Alpha Watts

[Anonymous No.2835320]

>>2832588
Yo you stealin my jukes niggu

[Anonymous No.2835321]

>>2835318
>Jeff Watts was a hack all along
Really makes me think

[Anonymous No.2835377]

>>2832620
>>2832626
>>2832727
Oh man...

[Anonymous No.2835378]

>>2833294
Make a T-shirt of this

[Anonymous No.2835381]

>>2832727
Not even memeing, this would be worth thousands in a modern art musseum. I'm going to send this picture to a friend in the business, see what she thinks. I'll post results.

[Anonymous No.2835428]

>>2831526
This is fucked up. Everything he says makes sense, but what's actually coming out is a mess. How is this possible

[Anonymous No.2835446]

>>2835318
>>2835321

Jeff has done illustration work for magazines and movies and such. So he's probably at least competent at sketching something appealing from imagination and then using refs to bring it to a finish.

[Anonymous No.2835465]

>>2834717
>To use your analogy he's like a person who tries really hard to improve his 100m time, does everything perfectly, and still only runs it in 15 seconds.

A person like that doesn't exist though unless they suffer from physical disabilities or some form of serious illness. That's the fallacy in your strawman argument. It is based on this idea that the only 2 types of people who exist are those who are incredibly gifted, 1 in a million prodigies or borderline mentally challenged, aphantasia white noise creative cripples. Reality is that the vast majority of people fall somewhere in the middle and all of those people CAN improve both their artistic skills and their creativity.

[Anonymous No.2835619]

proko why

[Anonymous No.2835659]

>>2835619
DELETE TH ISS

[Anonymous No.2835713]

>>2833881
>>2833891
Shit even John K things life drawing is a meme.... so what tf do I do?

I wanna draw comics and cartoons and I really don't care much about fully rendered drawings. Should I still focus on life drawing? Or how detailed should my renders be?

This whole Proko thing has blown up and ruined my image of how to get gud... I just wanna cartoon guys I just wanna have a style and learn the right way

[Anonymous No.2835730]

>>2835713
dont make life drawings your main focus? they are still helpful but as soon as you can draw a mannequin and the basic muscle shapes you are good to go for cartoons.
Hell if you go for a simle style you don't even need to know anythign but simple forms

[Anonymous No.2835731]

>>2831618
>finally make it
>go blind

[Anonymous No.2835737]

>>2835730
But how does someone develop their own cartooning "style" if they just focus on construction? Is that how it arises?

Dilbert, Garfield, Family Guy & SpongeBob all have very different styles. They could all be "cartooned" into comics, but they all look very different.

How does an artist come up with their own style? Does it arise from copying life or from constructing life using forms?

[Anonymous No.2835741]

From John K in another post:

> People ask me all the time - "should I study life drawing and will it help my cartoon drawings"? I wish it did more often, but usually it doesn't.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/03/can-life-drawing-help-your-animation.html

[Anonymous No.2835743]

>Watts is meme
ITT stupid memeloving fucks
>>2835713
>life drawing is a meme
>John K
Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.2835749]

>>2835741
John K is trash artist who even shitting on other more skilled artist from Cal Arts. This guy is nothing.

[Anonymous No.2835751]

>>2831715
neiger wat? its a good scheme for face construction, but i would love to know more face construction methods

[Anonymous No.2835756]

>>2835743
What book is this from?

[Anonymous No.2835762]

>>2835737
Never gonna make it. You better to learn how to draw first

[Anonymous No.2835774]

>>2835756
That's a watts atelier handout.

[Anonymous No.2835828]

>>2835749
John K is a great animator, that's where his skill lies. His cartoons are ok, but you have to see them in motion to appreciate his skill.

With animation, there's a limit to how complicated you can make your forms. Yoou have to make them simple so you can rotate them around in 3d space, squash and stretch, all that stuff.

John K is responsible for the cartoon renaissance of the 90s.

But I think you're right, somewhat. John K is kind of an arrogant windbag. Bob Clampett, Chuck Jones and Tex Avery far surpass him in skill. But all those guys are dead now, and John K studied from them and wrote up a lot of posts about cartoooning, etc. So just filter out the disney and cal-arts bashing, and you can see some really good material on cartooning and animating.

Not saying it's even close to a substitute for classical training, but it sure would help your cartooning reading his material and doing the exercises he suggests.

http://johnkcurriculum.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous No.2835838]

>>2835828
But what about learning to cartoon or even do illustration? Is John K right about the semi-pointlessness of life drawing?

He says it's only useful if you can learn to carry it over into your cartooning/illustration work. But he also makes a distinction between "cartooning" for animation, and "cartooning" like illustrations or caricatures.

No idea what tf to believe anymore. Proko is a lie the Kangaroo meme will outlive us all and I'm still paralyzed with no idea what to practice or how to improve the right way.

The one thing I can't do is focus so much on realism that I Proko myself into a corner with no illustration/cartooning skills. I'd rather blow my brains out

[Anonymous No.2835848]

>>2835838
Study the fundamentals, but apply them to whatever you're interested in instead of life. Take your favorite cartoons/illustrations, break them down into shapes with construction, see how it works, build them back up with all the illustration style shading and color theory stuff, oh and perspective too.

When studying from masters, instead of copying from I don't know Rembrandt or Michelangelo, copy from Tex Avery, Chuck Jones, Clampett, Franzetti, Kirby, Thomas Nast, the guyss who did illustrations for Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz.

Spend some time studying from life too, but don't do it exclusively. Focus more on making observations and getting ideas than on perfectly rendering something to look just like reality.

That's my plan anyway, but I'm just a beginner so don't take my word for it.

[Anonymous No.2835927]

>>2835848
Seems reasonable, I could give that a shot myself. I suppose it's better than nothing.

But I still struggle to understand what the literal goal is with life drawing.

For example, my goal of drawing cubes is to draw one from any angle with perfect perspective. There's a clear end goal that that type of exercise.

If I draw my coffee table how do I know when I've accomplished something? What's the goal? To just keep getting more realistic? This isn't to say life drawing holds no value... I'm saying I just don't understand what that value is for a cartoonist/illustrator

[Anonymous No.2835987]

>>2835838
There are two types of life drawing though, one structured with forms and another that is essentially trying to be a human photo camera by using 2D methodologies, the latter being useless for cartooning, I think that's what John K is talking about. Proko does the structured one which to me seems very valuable in cartooning as it requires knowledge of gesture and form. The thing is Proko never draws from imagination, he said so in one of his streams and I was baffled. Seriously, this guy has drawn the human figure so many times and he has never really delved into drawing it from imagination? Proko has even worked with Vilppu who always says that drawing human forms from imagination starts off with cartoon-like structures. How has Proko not put one and one together? He already has the knowledge.

[Anonymous No.2836035]

>>2835987
He must have some imaginative practice because he has a structure video talking about shapes. He even demos how to draw boxes(pic attached) and he's pretty decent.

But I think actually constructing full figures, environments, creatures, etc. from imagination is where he's weak.

Good info on life drawing tho thnx

[Anonymous No.2836128]

>>2834587
this, x1000
making art is more than knowing how to draw good line and put object in perfect perspective

[Anonymous No.2836285]

>>2835987
I refuse to believe that someone who teaches constructive anatomy for a living is incapable of drawing from imagination... What I see in >>2835619 is someone who doesn't even try approaching his drawing with volumes. That stuff should be second nature.

It's like watching someone who's a pro guitarist but can't keep a 4/4 tempo with his foot. It can't be.

[Anonymous No.2836296]

>>2836285
Maybe it was an off day?

I know plenty of realist painters who cannot even draw boxes. However Stan is, as you said, someone who teaches construction so yeah idk about this one

[Anonymous No.2836303]

>>2836285
there are cartooning styles that are meant to be flat like those fairy oddparents cartoons.

[Anonymous No.2836307]

>>2836296
>realist painters
lol.....

[Anonymous No.2836310]

>>2836296
This is what puzzles me. If he were someone who only taught sight size it would make more sense, but he actually teaches a Bridgman / Loomis sort of constructive method. During a stream he was looking for 3D reference to draw minions, and he still got the basic cylinders for the body wrong.

Either way he has no right to teach if he can't put his own teachings into practice.

[Anonymous No.2836315]

>>2836303
But that's not the case. Those styles are flat and stay flat. The head points right or left. In the comic he was clearly trying to show the characters dimensionally yet he wasn't even trying to work with volumes.

[Anonymous No.2836730]

I've come to the conclusion. I think Proko is just pulling a little prank on us all. A little bit of fun at our expense.

Brava, Proko. Master Troll.

[Anonymous No.2836736]

>>2836310
He said he was rushing in the video so don't expect it to be perfect.

[Anonymous No.2836766]

>>2834634
I thought stupid shit like this too, but then I started meditating.

[Anonymous No.2836782]

>>2836736
Yeah he missed the perfect mark by a little bit

[Anonymous No.2836866]

>>2835293
How did he not forget to draw one self portrait every year?

[Anonymous No.2836877]

>>2836866
I assume his kid or caretaker reminded him.

[Anonymous No.2836910]

>>2834854
>>2835293
I bet it's fake as fuck

[Anonymous No.2836967]

>>2836310
That's because the constructive method is a meme for autists. Even though its proponents claim it's been the standard for hundreds of years, apart from a few cherrypicked sketches by Cambiaso we don't see anything like the Loomis method in Renaissance artists. They worked around the 3D forms in a much more natural and intuitive way, check out Michelangelo's pencil drawings.

[Anonymous No.2837056]

>>2836967
They all drew from reference you moron. If you want to draw from imagination, you have to use construction because the very act of drawing anything from imagination IS construction. You literally cannot draw a 3 dimensional object in perspective from imagination without using construction. The only options you have is whether you want to do the construction in your head or on paper and most artists who aren't KJG-tier simply cannot do it in their head.

[Anonymous No.2837127]

This thread:

>construction is a meme
>life drawing is a meme

Just fuck my shit up fmli

[Anonymous No.2837281]

>>2835737
dude, just draw a lot of what you like, copy artists that inspire you, ignore shit that doesn't inspire you and after enough time of doing that you get your style.

put drawing what you love ABOVE the fundamental grind. just doing imagination stuff will make you lack technical skill but style and better ideas will come. just do fundamentals and u will have technical skill but no good ideas or style. or in the case of proko, just working on technical skills that pertain to drawing from life, and you will have no good ideas AND you can't construct from imagination.

You have to balance it all, it's where so many d/ic/ks get it wrong.

[Anonymous No.2837442]

>>2837281
So if I were mostly just doing fundies + imaignary drawing I'd eventually git gud at stylistic cartoons... but I'd suck at life drawing. Is that accurate?

I'm sure tons of comic artists suck at life drawing but can still do decent comics.

What you're saying is by studying construction, form, perspective, etc. and copying other cartoons I can pick up their styles and derive my own. But I should mix some realist drawing in there just for good measure.

Art sure is a tough cookie to dunk

[Anonymous No.2837514]

>>2837442
id put the emphasis on drawing what you like, not just anything from imagination. i really recommend copying artists that inspire you, and searching a LOT for new artists /styles, because the more influences you have, the smaller the chunks of style that you take from them will be, and make up the most honest and appealing style that you could come up with for yourself (if that makes sense)

[Anonymous No.2837915]

>>2836967
>>2837056
>Drawing from reference and constructive methods are mutually exclusive

When did this idiocy take over /ic/?

[Anonymous No.2837917]

>>2837915
When drawabox was more popular

[Anonymous No.2837919]

>>2837915
About 6 months before Proko's giraffe became a meme and these threads turned into jumbled crapshoots of paradoxical opinions

[Anonymous No.2837922]

HAHAHAHA who is this guy?

Where did he start?

holy fucking shit /ic worships this cuck

[Anonymous No.2837923]

>>2834854
this is dementia.

[Anonymous No.2837924]

>>2837922
Most popular art teacher on youtube.

What kind of question is where?

/ic/ does not worship him anymore.

[Anonymous No.2838323]

bumping to keep this thread alive

[Anonymous No.2838326]

>>2838323

why is he happy? I want him to be miserable.

[Anonymous No.2838348]

>>2834587

>tfw you see a woman waving her huge ass at you on the washroom tile patterns

Am I gonna make it?

[Anonymous No.2838354]

You guys are petty and idiotic

[Anonymous No.2838359]

>>2838354

Welcome to /ic/.

[Anonymous No.2838476]

>>2838354

[Anonymous No.2838575]

>>2838476

[Anonymous No.2840396]

>>2831935
What's the joke? Seriously I know Proko has a dry sense of humour but this is just dumb.

[Anonymous No.2840475]

>>2833294
/ic/ really is the best board

[Anonymous No.2840727]

>>2840396
I think the joke is that polygon kind of sounds like gun.

[Anonymous No.2840735]

>>2831525
Top ten smug anime faces.

[Anonymous No.2840768]

>>2840727

HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA AHHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.2840969]

>>2831525

[Anonymous No.2841135]

*opens torrents folder*
*delets all proko stuff*

[Anonymous No.2841158]

>>2834587
So you need the spark AND the ligament

[Anonymous No.2841345]

>>2833693
that's pretty cute, actually
nice, anon

[Anonymous No.2841550]

>>2833329
>>2833329
Son of a bitch, I'm in a library and I can't laugh out loud.

[Anonymous No.2841555]

>>2840727
just fuck my shit up

[Anonymous No.2841598]

ah, fuck it, I couldn't help myself

[Anonymous No.2841601]

>>2841598
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.2841604]

>>2841598
kek this is getting realy meta realy soon

[Anonymous No.2841743]

someone please send all these images to him

[Anonymous No.2841749]

>>2841743
what for? He looks so happy, let's leave him be.

[Anonymous No.2841777]

>>2841749
another cuck.

>he looks so happy

that's what they said about Robin Williams. Bless his soul

[Anonymous No.2841785]

>>2841777
I'm not a cuck. Proko is fucking married. Let him enjoy his blissful ignorance while it lasts, before he gets his ass raped by the divorce court. That's what I meant. I drew the last one so I'm entitled to y opinion.

[Anonymous No.2842261]

>>2833881
>John K
Who?

[Anonymous No.2842266]

>>2841598
Great skull friend!
Also this caption!

[Anonymous No.2842291]

>>2841598
STAAAP

t. proko

[Anonymous No.2842332]

>ITT: Scroto Baggins exposed.

[Anonymous No.2843134]

>>2831525

I'm not, AT ALL, on the same level he is regarding drawing knowledge which makes this shit pretty fucked up.

Even I think that is awful. I would never do shit like that. It is bad even for my standards.

[Anonymous No.2843242]

This is it guys.. Proko doesn't have the ligameme CONFIRMED

[Anonymous No.2843247]

>>2831700
>>2831616

Proko get cucked or something?

[Anonymous No.2843258]

>>2843242
What the fuck is the ligameme?

[Anonymous No.2843263]

>>2843242
neither does marshall but he has his perspective spot on

>>2843258
some retarded /c/ meme about people not having the ligameme not being able to draw

[Anonymous No.2843300]

>>2843258
A retard in /ic/ made some meme and spams it here hoping it'll become mainstream. Also the retards name is Nosebro and you should never listen to anything he says.

[Anonymous No.2843386]

>>2831935
wait did anyone else notice that this is just that old Llama cartoon

>Caarruuuuul

[No Zoboro No.2843569]

>>2843300
Your mother loves you

[Anonymous No.2843615]

>>2834717
> Be me, early childhood educator trying to also get PhD for psychology (specifically to work with children)
> Have worked with neurologists
> See asshole that thinks that creativity is dogged in specific people's brains
> Cry on the inside

[Anonymous No.2843632]

>>2831525
proko is a dorky cutie and his classes are quality. leave senpai alone :(

[Anonymous No.2843774]

>>2834717
thats not... how that works

[Anonymous No.2843853]

I don't know if it's on-topic or not but I really need this.

Does anyone know where to get the proko anatomy, portrait and figure drawing courses (torrents etc) without paying for them?
My job pays less a month than what he's asking for.

[Anonymous No.2843856]

>>2843853
get a real job hippie.

[Anonymous No.2843857]

>>2843853
>job pays less than $300 monthly

do you work in a sweatshop?

[Anonymous No.2843859]

>>2843856
Oh shit nigger, you've hurt my feelings.

>>2843857
No, I live in Romania.

[Anonymous No.2843892]

>>2843853
you already make shit money with a non art job, and you want to become an artist?
get fucking real, tardo.

[Anonymous No.2843894]

>>2843853
You can use discount codes, for example driventodraw gives you 25 % off. That's how I bought this stuff.

[Anonymous No.2843898]

>>2843892
Oh no, my self-esteem! My life, what am I going to do now?!

Don't you have some loli porn to fap to and hide before your parents wash your semen filled socks?

>>2843894
Thanks for the tip, will bookmark the site, meanwhile, I've found the courses somewhere else tho.

/ic/ is less helpful and more filled with trolls (considering past replies) since I last lurked here

[Anonymous No.2843899]

>>2843898
>>>/r/art
Your new home, pollack.

[Anonymous No.2843906]

>>2843899
You're trying really hard, don't you?
Lurk moar newfag.

[Anonymous No.2843948]

>>2843898
Yea, older courses can be found on CGPeers, but anatomy isn't, since it's still not finished. I was thinking about ripping torso anatomy, but too much work.

[Anonymous No.2843957]

>>2843948
At least there are some of the older courses, it's something.

[Anonymous No.2844104]

>>2832913
I'm pretty new to art studies. Can someone explain to me why the video is troubling? I personally don't like the design choices proko made but I still don't see what's wrong here...

[Anonymous No.2844701]

>>2844104
There's nothing "wrong". Comics and character design are just not his strong side, which doesn't matter because it was a gift for his wife who'd love it regardless, and /ic/ can't handle the fact that you can enjoy doing shitty art once in a while even if you have the skills to do better.

[Anonymous No.2845417]

>>2843263

>neither does marshall but he has his perspective spot on

WAKE UP /IC/

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