/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.2221425]

Is it a good idea to just focus on learning how to draw now, then worry about values and colors?

[Anonymous No.2221426]

>>2221425
btw pic related is not mine (but I wish it was ;-;)

[Anonymous No.2221428]

>>2221425
>>2221426
fuck you, eat a dick, drink some cum. I prefer being able to draw. Just so you can understand form. Most of the time shading is based on forms

[Anonymous No.2221435]

I think so. A good drawing can improve a bad rendering, but a good rendering can't improve a bad drawing

[Anonymous No.2221437]

Yeah, drawing is by far the most important thing to learn, but if you don't understand values, you won't be able to draw anything other than isometric lineart. Understanding how to shade forms and how light hits them is pretty essential for any good draughtsman.

[Anonymous No.2221448]

Absolutely, "learning to draw"(which I interpret as the understanding of forms and where to place lines to convey said forms) is most important.
Let's take three examples which I marked on your op picture:
1. Forms in 3d space. This ellipse on her forehead indicates the form going outward. By understanding this form, the artist can then accurately place how the bangs interact with the characters forehead. If you look at all the drawings, none of the bangs are flat, they all curve around this form in one way or another.
2. Value mapping. If you look at these spots, the keystone on the nose and the eyesockets are where the face makes concave movements. Only if you understand how and where this happens, is it even possible to place accurate values. If you have no idea of this, your values will be all over the place and make no sense whatsoever. Why learn value if you can't place it well?
3. Perspective. By understanding the forms of the head, this artist can take any angle with any lighting from imagination and draw it accurately.

This simple drawing from this artist shows a great understanding of form, which makes values almost childs play.

[Anonymous No.2221455]

Value IS form.

[Anonymous No.2221459]

>>2221425
You're gonna end up studying value when learning to draw regardless of whether you planned to or not.

[Anonymous No.2221534]

>>2221425
value is not that difficult, it kinna comes with the whole learning to draw by thinking in 3d forms thing. color is hella tricky, but like everything, just study from life. flowers and other plants tend to have very pleasing/well done color combos naturally, same with animals, also don't forget the powers of neutral colors and desaturation, super saturated colors are eye catching, but if everything's saturated, they can get lost in the void.

see movies like Fantastic Mr. Fox or the british tv series Utopia for really distinct well done color compositions (and frame composition in general)
Hiroyuki Imaishi's Dead Leaves and PSwG are also good examples of balancing rather chaotic color schemes if you're into that.

[Anonymous No.2221535]

>>2221459
this, line work only exists in 2d form cause we essentially make a short hand representation of reality. In real life lines like we draw them are almost non existent as things are divided by value and color, with value being the most dominant trait of defining and exasperating objects.
A line in drawing is generally a representation of those changes or separations and once you start adding gradients, smooth out the transitions and more form lines you are essentially rendering closer to how things actually appear.
Yes you can draw a cube with only 9 lines but even mapping out shadows on it can give it a better sense of space.
A lot of painters will even map out their shadows almost right after getting in the big forms which takes good drawing skill to place properly.

[Anonymous No.2221542]

>>2221448
great analysis.

btw the artist is joël jurion

[Anonymous No.2221814]

>>2221448
another question, should I focus on accuracy at copying then start with construction?

[Anonymous No.2221825]

>>2221814
Construction. the more you draw FROM LIFE the more accurate you'll get.

[Jpb No.2221863]

Fuck no. All art is just values, colors and contour, this includes drawing.

[Anonymous No.2221895]

>>2221863
This is possibly the most retarded thing i have read ever

i'm sorry

you're a good person though

or maybe not I DONT KNOW YOU GET OFF GET OFF GET OFFF

[Anonymous No.2223443]

>>2221455
>the only post that makes sense in the thread gets ignored and lost between paragraphs of incoherent nonsense

never change /ic/

[Anonymous No.2223685]

>>2223443
Why do you retards keep parroting this? We get it, value is form, that's not some incredible bit of wisdom, everyone knows that. It doesn't mean this knowledge gives you the ability to draw well. In real life, lines don't exist and every edge is based on contrast, in drawing, we extract those contrasts into lines. How does the fact that value IS form help you accurately place those lines when doing a drawing?

Why is there always some dumb fuck like you who thinks he's smarter than everyone else, yet he clearly doesn't understand shit?

[Anonymous No.2223735]

>>2223685
this. some people just like to flex their babby tier knowledge.
in the first place, everything one draws is supposed to represent "form". value isn't the only factor in that regard.

>>2221425
see >>2221437, this guy nailed it.
drawing is the most important thing, but if you don't consider/include value as well, you'll find it troublesome to depict more complicated forms.
the solution is to learn various ways of hatching and shading (just like the examples itt). that way, even with just a pencil, you can depict a wide range of forms.

[Anonymous No.2225748]

>>2221895

Sperg.

[Anonymous No.2225750]

>>2223685
>>2223735
It's not useless, it's just that after you figure it out, explanations tend to come out very simple and brief. You guys are literally the karate kid bitching about wax on wax off.

[Anonymous No.2226014]

>>2225750
it's pretty much the opposite. only some babby on mount stupid would treat this as some kind of great insight.

that kind of vague statement doesn't say much at all. practically speaking, most people would think in terms of light and shadows to give form rather than "value" itself.
again, just look at the examples itt.

[Anonymous No.2226169]

Personally I think its a good idea to stay on forms and drawing before value and colors.
imo until you have a good grasp of how things are built and look values and colors just complicate things.

[Anonymous No.2226916]

>>2221542
thank you!!!

[Anonymous No.2226974]

>>2221425
Fuck these guys, work colour before values and lines. A solid grasp of the relationships between various hues, the harmonies created, emotions evoked simply through blobs of color is an excellent start. Value can be learned through colour and lines are just what is left between two forms. Lines don't exist.

Pick up a fan deck at your local hardware and get going. Watch harmonies, learn values through it and throw out your pencils.

> handprint.org
> huevaluechroma.something

[Anonymous No.2226976]

>>2226974
That's the complete opposite Mullins would say.

And obviously Mullins > you

[Anonymous No.2226977]

>>2226974
>Lines don't exist
There's clearly lines in OP's example.

[Anonymous No.2226979]

>>2226974
You can fix shit colors by sticking to black and white, but if your forms and values are shit, the most exceptional coloring in the world won't fix that.

[Anonymous No.2226981]

>>2226979
And then you have artists that can draw amazingly well but shit the bed when trying to judge colour. Colour is the neglected bastard child on this board, and learning isn't some step by step process, it all happens at the same time.

Don't fear colours. That's all I'm really saying.

[Anonymous No.2227004]

>>2226981
I think it comes off that way because like 70% of the people on here just need to learn the basics, and so learning colour theory should be secondary to that.

[Anonymous No.2227013]

I need some constructive criticism.

[Anonymous No.2227153]

>>2227004
>color theory
>not the basics

if you only want to do monochrome stuff i guess

[Anonymous No.2228028]

can anyone recommend a book on this other than loomis?

[Anonymous No.2228601]

I'm getting better and better at drawing faces, but I suck at drawing the rest of the body. My proportions, especially the arms and legs, are absolute garbage. I can never get them right, and drawing a character doing various poses is a nightmare for me.

But on the other hand, drawing faces is so fun that I just want to keep doing it forever.

>inb4 loomis. That book bored the crap out of me.

[Anonymous No.2228861]

>>2221425
oh my god. How long does it take to learn to draw waifus like that?

[Anonymous No.2228862]

>>2228601
so always draw an entire person. that way every drawing has something you like and something you need. #math

[Anonymous No.2229022]

>>2221459
>>2221535
These.

[Anonymous No.2229113]

>>2226981
>>2227153
I like u a lot.