SAI replacement

[Anonymous No.1611629]

I am getting a Macbook pro

Since Paint Tool Sai cannot work on it I need a suitable replacement

I have tried a lot of programs but SAI remains my favorite, I dread not being able to use it but apparently their is no way to get it to work with pen pressure.

What are some good Mac drawing/painting programs?

And not photoshop, I hate drawing in it.

[Anonymous No.1611630]

Have you thought about using bootcamp?

[Anonymous No.1611631]

>>1611629

Firealpaca is free on mac and it's similar to SAI

Pixelmator

[Anonymous No.1611632]

>>1611630
I have looked into it, you cna run Sai, but you cannot get pressure sensitivity to work

So it would be useless

>>1611631
Tried Firealpaca it feels less fluid when you draw if that makes sense , and the brush options suck

Will look into Pixelmator

[Lefty No.1611633]

manga studio 5, 37 bucks on amazon.

[Anonymous No.1611636]

>>1611632
Former Sai-using Macfag here. Pressure works in Boot Camp. It's virtual machines/emulation where pressure fucks up.

("Why former?", absolutely no one asked. FireAlpaca is why.)

[Anonymous No.1611673]

I don't even know what Sai is. Is it good?

[Anonymous No.1611742]

>>1611629
Sup macbro. I got my macbook pro on black friday and I was in the same situation as you. I hate photoshop, love Sai, and I didn't want to be bothered downloading and cracking Win7.

I tried Firealpaca and hated it. It's great on my Galaxy Note (where it's called layerpaint, and really only because every other drawing app is absolute shit), but it's too bare-bones for a laptop program.

I then got Manga Studio 5 and I love it more than I ever loved Sai. It's like photoshop, but without all the counterintuitive and annoying UI shit that makes me hate photoshop. I herd manga studio 4 used to be bad at coloring, but this one has all the coloring features Sai had, and a nice streamlined user interface.

I remember Sai was a bitch to load custom brushes, but I haven't really played with MS5 in that respect yet. All the brushes I've needed so far have been in the program.

[Anonymous No.1611743]

Learn photoshop you anime fag.

[Anonymous No.1611748]

>>1611742
>I then got Manga Studio 5 and I love it more than I ever loved Sai. It's like photoshop

Top kek

[Anonymous No.1611750]

>>1611748
Typical macfag "pro artist"

[Anonymous No.1611751]

>>1611750
I have a brain. I have a PC...Why would I waste all that money on a mac lol.Not to mention that indeed when it comes to programs Photoshop is the way to go.From alll the professional demos I've seen Massive Black Workshop and or any Gnomon DVD ever made I'm still yet to see someone use anything other than photoshop or traditional mediums..Stop talking out of your ass ,kid :I

[Anonymous No.1611755]

>>1611629
There is nothing wrong with photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1611757]

MS5 is a probably what you're looking for.
it's has much more features than sai and is all around better.
it has everything you would usually need in PS to draw and paint plus a lot of options for comics.

of course, photoshop is also an option

[Anonymous No.1611758]

>>1611629
>And not photoshop, I hate drawing in it.
Let me guess, you draw ONLY anime and hate Photoshop because you can't get the lines right (even through you can erase certain part of the lines to fit your expectations), so you use SAI to clumsily edit the lineart. Am I right?

[Anonymous No.1611759]

lel photoshop fags so insecure

[Anonymous No.1611760]

>>1611629
You can't into realism/brushes/brush techniques/textures if you use sai, fag.

[Anonymous No.1611763]

>>1611758
why are you hating him? I use both programs. erasing lines makes them look messy. Photoshop isn't made for linework, deal with it. Sai would be excellent for painting too if only it had a hotkey/shortcut for locking transparency, like PS does. each programs has their benefits to offer, so why are you being such a bratty fanboy second thread in the row?

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.1611766]

>>1611760
I made this with Sai, I'm not bragging but I think it has a decent level of rendering which was quite intuitive to achieve.

[Anonymous No.1611767]

>>1611629
maybe use the industry standard and use photoshop.

>but muh sai weeb program

sorry, but I figure like everyone else on this lousy board, you plan to be a "concept artist", and that requires working in teams alongside an art director. Usually the art director wants to be able to come up and be able to go through your layers and adjust shit like colors, and he/she likely does not know anything else but photoshop, and they sure as shit don't want to learn it. Also, they may send your file off to someone else to work on on a different level, that person will also be working in PS. Don't try to be different, just use PS like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.1611769]

>>1611766

gtfo attention whore
You're like the soul successor of Chumbum.Quit spreading your cancerous shit.

[Anonymous No.1611770]

>>1611767
Are you trying to say you can't open .sai files in photoshop?

[Anonymous No.1611771]

>>1611769
I can practically feel that Jelly wobble from here :3

You mad and jelly.

[Anonymous No.1611772]

>>1611763
I'm not being a fanboy. I'm just implying that he just gave up Photoshop because he didn't tried hard enough with it. Animefags constantly use SAI and hate Photoshop because "it's too hard to draw with it", even through they only draw crude faux-anime bullshit with it.
Both programs aren't that bad either, but just giving up on a program (and go for another with arguably less features) because it's hard to draw in it is pretty idiotic, specially if you're drawing shitty anime-styled crap art you can easily draw on paint.
And before you ask, I don't hate anime, I just hate the crudely shitty "anime" art weeaboos are trying to pass as anime (even trough that isn't even the correct term to use).

[Anonymous No.1611773]

>>1611769
at least he post stuff instead of shitpost like you.

>>1611766
why did you even bother replying to some post that is utterly retarded, if he thinks realism and all that jazz is confined by what program he uses then so be it and let him wallow in his shit.

[Anonymous No.1611775]

>>1611773

I post stuff too. Im just not an attention hungry cunt .I post in every draw thread :/.But there's no way for you to know because im not namefagging like it's the apocalypse.

[Anonymous No.1611776]

>>1611770
i'm trying to say that it's common for art directors to walk up on you and say, 'let me see this," and sit down and make adjustments, and they sure as shit don't want to save out your file, and import it into PS to make adjustments in a program they understand. It's all about time, and they want to sit down, move shit around, and be gone.

[Anonymous No.1611788]

>>1611776

I don't know, photoshop's brush engine is just a little confusing. With sai, everything is just there.

And besides, not everybody wants to work side by side with an art director in house.

[Anonymous No.1611797]

Can you PS fags stop being so full of your self? There's many pro-artists in the industry that works with BOTH Paint Tool SAI and Photoshop! One does not exclude the other! SAI is seriously lightweight and fast, while PS is bigger and has more options. Many will start a drawing in SAI and then continue in PS.

OP, I believe Manga Studio 5 is the best option for you.

[Anonymous No.1611800]

>this level of stupidity people fall down to in order to troll a group of people
top keks and all

[Anonymous No.1611805]

>>1611797
examples ? Or is this just one of the typical "out of the ass /ic/ statistic"

[Anonymous No.1611808]

>>1611776
>implying that /ic/ isn't like 60% hobbyists who will never work with an "art director"

[Anonymous No.1611809]

>>1611808
being this close-minded, neither will you.

[Anonymous No.1611811]

>>1611797
Statistics also say that 93% of people who use mac and SAI are gay

[Anonymous No.1611815]

>>1611811
and don't forget they're more than likely libertarian progressive hipsters.

[Anonymous No.1611817]

>>1611811

Statistics show that 93% of PS defenders have been sexually assaulted by their siblings between ages 5-11.

[Anonymous No.1611818]

SAI and Photoshop TOGETHER! http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222033

It's not a fucking contest!

[Anonymous No.1611831]

The main reason people prefer SAI to Photoshop I have noticed is the color blending works so differently between the two.

No idea how MS5 works with color blending.

[Anonymous No.1611847]

Problem with SAI

1. No native English support
2. No OSX port
3. Limited brush creation and editing
4. Crowded UI
5. Poor selection and masking
6. No asset management
7. Doesn't support animation
8. No 3d file support
9. No copy and layout tools
10. No macro actions
11. No precision editing

So far it seems SAI is only good for doing simple drawing and paintings. It's basically good for pushing out simple cartoon illustrations, think pinups and splashes. Not really suited for a studio or production work for complex design integration and asset management

[Anonymous No.1611858]

>>1611831

actually it's the shitty stabilizer that animu fags abuse to no end because they're too lazy to learn doing straight lines.

[Anonymous No.1611864]

>>1611858
I am so glad I never used SAI before and found out that stabilizer tool, I frown upon it as it is true it may be used as a crutch and with Photoshop you build discipline and get the experience of drawing a true straight line without the use of some software aid.

Perhaps this is how my line confidence has improved.

[Anonymous No.1611873]

>>1611858
>>1611864
Yeah, just like traditional artists abuse large canvases instead of drawing on napkins. Any idiot can make an amazing painting if it doesn't even reveal sub-millimeter fluctuations in strokes, true artists have the discipline to draw on napkins with a magnifying glass. I'm so glad I learned important stuff like drawing straight lines on napkins instead of wasting my time away studying anatomy and lighting.

[Anonymous No.1611876]

>>1611864
Just set stabilizer to 0. How is it any different from photoshops shift method of drawing straight lines?

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.1611887]

>>1611769
>>1611775
I fail to see how you come up to that conclusion, I'm just using a feature of this site, also contrary to Chumbum I've never done a thread just for my own stuff.

Stop being so bitter and keep drawing.

>>1611771
Seems so...

>>1611773
Noted and thanks

[Anonymous No.1611889]

>>1611876
The stabilizer creates a delayed weighted average for your stroke, it smooths out small variations in cursor position so you get a clean line. It's an essential mechanism for large tablet-to-screen mapping ratios, thin lines and zoomed-out work. I can guarantee that these clowns won't post their art
>>1611858
>>1611864
The best part is the guy feeling holier than thou about something he doesn't even understand, sure sign of a moron.

[Anonymous No.1611904]

>>1611887
On an unrelated note, what I would like to see from you is figure drawing, and not just portraits of characters in a 3/4 view. Maybe I haven't been paying attention enough but I sure hope you've been attempting to figure draw.

[Anonymous No.1611905]

>>1611766
Mind if I give a little critique on this?

[Anonymous No.1611907]

>>1611905
>Mind if I give a little critique on this?

Where do you even think you are? He posted on /ic/ why would you even ask permission to critique? It's not Deviant Art here.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.1611922]

>>1611905
Sure, go ahead.

[Anonymous No.1611926]

>>1611847
You forgot 'raster program as opposed to vector'.

Just because a few pros use it to lay down line work before importing it into Photoshop for the serious work of finishing the piece does not mean that Sai is anything you should be relying on at a professional level. Adobe CS is the industry standard, if you work in a studio or art department it's where you'll spend 95% of your time. Manga Studio 5 is picking up steam in professional circles too, but Photoshop and Illustrator are still the undisputed kings.

Not learning how to use these programs will seriously reduce your chances of being taken seriously and employed. You're doing yourselves a disservice by not nutting up and delving into tutorials or simply just exploring the program to get used to it.

[Anonymous No.1611944]

>>1611926
>implying i don't know photoshop just as well as the nipponese programs.
i'm using alternatives simply because my toaster can't handle PS properly. i use PS for everything except for art

i do have to say that ms5 is very useful for linart, inking and comicmaking in general.
i also fell in love with the UI

[Anonymous No.1611952]

>>1611944
I really need to give it a try when I get paid.

Heard there's options straight out the box for putting screen tone on your drawings, sounds like it mite b cool.

[Anonymous No.1611972]

>>1611926
"Learning Photoshop"? Wow, does this kis actually believe that people don't use Photoshop because they don't know how to use it? The reason is that Photoshop is completely obsolete and outclassed for 2D digital art, and to get some perspective on your great learnings you should at least try something like Nuke, if not Maya and Houdini and then come back talking about there being anything to learn in PS. Maybe if you're braindamaged

[Anonymous No.1612002]

>>1611926
Does it matter that much as long as someone puts out the expected level of work? I know of a few professionals who use mostly Corel Painter, and a couple that use mostly SAI, and all do use photoshop for things either can't do. What's the big deal?

[Anonymous No.1612010]

>>1611972
>The reason is that Photoshop is completely obsolete and outclassed for 2D digital art

Alright, enough with this hipster bullshit. Post an example of digital art created with these superior programs that shows in what they they outclass photoshop. Pic is a random Jaime Jones painting, done is Photoshop. Show me a SAI painting of equal quality or shut the fuck up with your bullshit claims how inferior PS is to everything else.

[Anonymous No.1612013]

>>1612010
Photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1612016]

>>1612013
Photoshop

[Anonymous No.1612017]

>>1612016
And again, Photoshop.

I think this covers a decent variety of different painting styles. Now go and show me work done by those superior art programs that comes even close to it.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.1612021]

>>1611904
You're right, I will try to focus much more on that and traditional media in this 2nd year.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.1612023]

>>1612010
jesus christ, stop being so insecure just because some pleb is talking shit.
not everybody who uses sai also believes that crap.
different programs have differnt features and create different preferences once you get used to them.

also i remember algenpfleger making a sai tutorial way back. sai used to be somewhat popular (it still is)
it was mainly because of its simplicity and because it was very resource friendly. there is a reason it's called EASY paint tool sai.

[Anonymous No.1612026]

>>1611772
>but just giving up on a program because it's hard to draw in it is pretty idiotic,
Pretty sure that is in fact, the opposite of idiotic.

[Anonymous No.1612027]

So is Manga Studio 5 as easy to run as Paint Tool Sai? I would use Krita but I can't even really run that.

[Anonymous No.1612029]

>>1612026
Not exactly. Obviously if the program is inherently shitty and that's why you have problems with it, it's good to use something else instead, but most people who prefer SAI for lineart do it because of the stabilizer tool, which is nothing but a crutch and creates bad habits. It is convenient, but keeps you from learning to draw with confident lines on a tablet.

There is nothing wrong with PS for linedrawing, even Michael Hampton uses Photoshop in his digital demonstrations and workshops and he is doing almost exclusively drawing demos.

[Anonymous No.1612030]

>>1612016
>>1612017
>>1612013
FUCK photoshop.

Go buy a plane ticket to Jaime's house and stuff his balls in your mouth.

[Anonymous No.1612036]

>>1612030
Why does Photoshop make you so angry? I'm sorry that you are too stupid to learn how to use it properly, but it really is the industry standard for a reason.

[Anonymous No.1612041]

>>1611922
Sorry, I leaved the thread because of the flooding autism, but whatever.
It is pretty good, but you need to work on your edges. The blending is OK I guess, but the transitions in some areas are kinda off.
Overall, just work on your blending. Ctrl+Paint has some nice shit in the store but you can get those for free on CGPeers.

[Anonymous No.1612042]

>>1612036
Sorry not everybody wants to slave away churning out uninspired interchangeable "industry" garbage completely lacking in style and originality

[Anonymous No.1612043]

>>1612036

Why does knowing about people who prefer Sai to Photoshop make you so insecure? I'm sorry that you are too stupid to realize it's not a learning curve that keeps people from using Photoshop, but it really is light weight and easy for a reason.

[Anonymous No.1612046]

>>1612002
Depends, really. And by that I mean what area of commercial art you're working in. Anything involving print media will almost certainly be required to be finished in Adobe for printing purposes, and to a lesser degree due to less headaches dropping things into InDesign.

>>1611972
>Corel

Wow, it's like I've really travelled back in time 17 years!

[Anonymous No.1612050]

>>1612042
>Sorry not everybody wants to slave away churning out uninspired interchangeable "industry" garbage

Oh, you're going with THAT route now. So tell me, where can I find the digital paintings of your preferred artform, in your preferred digital painting software. Feel free to post examples.

[Anonymous No.1612056]

>>1612043
I don't care about people who prefer SAI, you can use whatever you want. I am responding to someone who said Photoshop is "completely obsolete and outclassed". So I posted a handful of digital paintings that I would like to see outclassed by examples of his own. Still waiting for that to happen.

[Anonymous No.1612075]

>>1611632
wow how much of a fucking casual can you be

jesus christ

[Anonymous No.1612077]

>>1612029
>stabilizer tool, which is nothing but a crutch and creates bad habits
you know, pretty much EVERYTHING digital program does, can be considered a crutch.

[Anonymous No.1612084]

>>1612077
>EVERYTHING digital program does, can be considered a crutch.

How so?

>Muh control z

[Anonymous No.1612087]

>>1612084
>being this retarted

[Anonymous No.1612090]

>>1612084
aside from ctrl z? you have layers at your disposal, blend modes, lasso selection, cut, paste, transform, picks any color you want, liquify, blend, color balance, saturate/desaturate, erase completely, mask, pick an existing color, i don't know why i even bother to attempt to list everything, there is a lot more you can do which you can't do with traditional.
if stabilizer is a crutch to you, does using a ruler is also considered a crutch? if so, see above.

[Anonymous No.1612091]

>>1612090
By your logic, drawing traditionally and using an eraser can be considered as a crutch. As for the layers, personally I strive to use a maximum of two or three.

[Anonymous No.1612094]

>>1612091
no, sir, that's by YOUR logic.

[Anonymous No.1612096]

>>1612029
Do you really not fucking understand the significance of mapping ratios? The significance of some guy using a fucking giant Cintiq and talking shit about stabilizers? No fucking shit it's easy to draw clean lines if you have a 1:1 mapping and a Cintiq. How retarded can you even get, do you think it's such a big fucking challenge to draw a clean line because tablets are such mysterious devices? Do you think those same people can't draw a clean line on a piece of paper, fuckface? Do you think da Vinci would have liked to paint the fucking Mona Lisa on a piece of toilet paper using toothbrush bristles? Most people have anything from 1.5 up to 3 mapping ratios, and it IS like drawing on a fucking napkin so shut the fuck up you insufferable cunt.
I want to see your stupid ass draw a perfect line when the smallest most insignificant movement makes your cursor shoot all over the place, dipshit cunt. All of you retards haven't even used a stabilizer to even be able to judge it. Photoshop is the only relevant program that doesn't have one because it's an ancient tired piece of shit and Adobe hasn't made any major changes in years. The feature is now so relevant that LazyNezumi turned into a fucking commercial product because people are willing to pay for a stabilizer in this piece of shit application.

[Anonymous No.1612097]

>>1612094
Let's agree to disagree.

[Anonymous No.1612099]

>>1612097
well then i agree to have no fucking clue as to what you consider a crutch.
and you are probably a woman.

[Anonymous No.1612101]

>>1612099
because women make no sense. they think with their emotions.

[Anonymous No.1612107]

>>1612099
>>1612101
You seem to be the emotional one here, friend. I am merely stating my opinion as the Stabilizer tool may be a crutch like an Anon has mentioned earlier how "Animu fags abuse it"

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if someone who strictly relies on SAI for the soul purpose of said tool used another type of software that is compatible with tablets and pressure sensitivity; chicken scratch would pose as an issue.

I would like to remind you that this is my opinion and mean to emotional distress, feel free to use such tool but don't rely on it to get your "Anime lines"

[Anonymous No.1612111]

>>1612107
fun fact: PS has in-built stabilizer tool.

want native stuff? go to flockdraw.

also >being this retarded

[Anonymous No.1612115]

>>1612111
>fun fact: PS has in-built stabilizer tool.

fun fact: Your hand has in-built stabilizer tool. You just have to learn how to use it properly.

[Anonymous No.1612119]

>>1612115
fun fact: it's your shoulder not your hand

[Anonymous No.1612122]

>>1612119
>fun fact: it's your shoulder not your hand

You mean your elbow, Anon.

[Anonymous No.1612124]

>>1612122
>moving elbow unidirectionally

I wish my elbow is ball-jointed like yours so it could move left and right as well...

[Anonymous No.1612125]

>>1612124
Let's agree to disagree.

[Anonymous No.1612126]

>>1612122
>>1612122
>moving elbow

I wish my elbow is ball-jointed like yours so it could move left and right as well...

[Anonymous No.1612129]

>>1612122
Seriously elbow? you move your elbow through your shoulders. just try moving nothing but your elbow I dare you.

[Anonymous No.1612132]

>>1612129
http://www.designsojourn.com/tips-on-how-to-improve-your-drawing-ability/

>Wrist action encourages “tight” sketches and very good for a controlled sketch style. Drawing from the shoulder gives you a more sketchy and loose lines as you are literally firing off the lines. If you want the create that Emotion sketch this is the technique to use, but frankly this style requires a lot of practice in controlling your lines. Drawing from the elbow gives you the middle ground.

>Drawing from the elbow gives you the middle ground.

[Anonymous No.1612135]

>>1612132
it's meant as a placeholder , where you put down your elbow but you still use your shoulder to move to draw not with your elbow.

[Anonymous No.1612142]

>>1612135
I have to return to work, we'll continue this little quarrel after I get back from work...

:3

Cheers.

[Anonymous No.1612146]

>>1612142
nah, you win, I am wrong. I just don't want to admit it.

[FiRez !!tndrCZJHE+I No.1612184]

>>1612041
Thanks for the through feedback, I started watching those videos but stopped when I noticed that PS wasn't going to cut it for me at least at that moment.

Thankfully I found ArtRage and then SAI, just like OP I still can't use PS but I will attempt to try it again in the near future.

[Anonymous No.1612209]

Sketchbook pro is a better choice.

If you want a lite intuitive drawing and painting application for sketching and rapid visualization, just use Sketchbook pro. SAI is some Japanese knockoff. Get bent, wapanese retards.

[Anonymous No.1612210]

>>1612209
sketchbook pro sucks in coloring

[Anonymous No.1612223]

Kind of a long shot, but are there any good open source Photoshop alternatives that run on Linux? Or at least, better than The GIMP, which is astoundingly awful and backwards?

I really like MyPaint, but that's not intended for general purpose image editing, just drawing.

[Anonymous No.1612231]

>>1612210
that's because of two reasons:

you don't know how to use it
you don't understand color

[Anonymous No.1612232]

>>1612231
doesn't change the fact sketchbook pro sucks in coloring

[Anonymous No.1612241]

>>1612232
Yes it does. You just have trouble understanding how your conjecturing distorts reality. Don't worry anon, we all went through that phase growing up.

[Anonymous No.1612246]

>>1612241
sketchbook pro still sucks in coloring even if you grow up

[Anonymous No.1612265]

>>1612246
nah, you wouldn't know

[Anonymous No.1612267]

>>1612265
nice pleb taste you got there, if you think that's high tier

[Anonymous No.1612272]

>>1612267
>being this much in denial

I'm pretty sure in your bizarro world view, weeb shit is on top.

[Anonymous No.1612274]

>>1612272
still better than your pleb taste

your favorite game must be COD4

[Anonymous No.1612280]

>>1612274
Nah, never played it, never will. And I know for sure my favorite game ain't the pedo-loli-futa-sparkledog shit games, that have more vowels than consonants in their title, like the ones you like.

[Anonymous No.1612288]

>>1612280
cool in-denial, I can tell you touch yourself every time you land a headshot in COD4 like the good amerifag soldier you are.

[Anonymous No.1612289]

>>1612280

You don't like Underage Panty Quest 2: It Doesn't Matter If I'm Your Sister As Long As There Is Love?

[Anonymous No.1612369]

Krita

[Anonymous No.1612407]

Just wait for SAI 2

[Anonymous No.1612419]

>>1612288
Not a wapanese like you; always dreaming to be what you can never be. Professional weebs use Sketchbook pro. It's on tablets, phones, macs, linux, win shit. What doe your SAI got? Shitty windows, and you have to wait for ONE guy to stop jerking off to CP long enough to "update" it.

MUH STABILIZER. Sketchbook has that, it has 2 kind actually. One for pen calibration, the other for stroke. SAI only has the stroke.
MUH PAINT ENGINE. Sketchbook's is professional grade not hobby shit like your Piss Drool SAI's
MUH CHEAP SHIT. Sketchbook cost a fraction of SAI, comes in a free COPIC version, and still has active support.

How is your chinese-loser-ware better? Oh, that's right, it's not. Do you know why it's call SAI? Because that's the sound you make when you find out how disappointing it is.

[Anonymous No.1612422]

>>1612419
Biggest problem with all of this shit software is that they don't support pen tilt unlike professional grade. Like how hard can it be to implement fucking brush rotation in accordance with pen tilt, probably 2 lines of code but no, I'm stuck with flat brushes being useless because they can't be angled effectively

[Anonymous No.1612423]

>>1612422
Yes that's the thing you really need before you can start doing good art.

[Anonymous No.1612427]

>>1612422
Sketchbook on desktops supports wacom's 6d pens

[Anonymous No.1612429]

>>1612427
Well mine doesn't

[Anonymous No.1612431]

>>1612419
thanks for killing my dreams, I hope you're happy and sleep soundly at night knowing you won the argument. fuck you fuck you fuck you.

[Anonymous No.1612436]

>>1612419
actually, professional nipponese also use weeb programs in conbination with photoshop.
a VERY frequently used program is "clip studio paint", a program which is rebranded as "manga studio 5" outside of japan.

photoshop is the king because it has the most features in terms of effects, but for paint engines, people have all kinds of other favorites.

[Anonymous No.1612442]

>>1612436
>professional nipponese
nobody cares about what some slanty-eyed-autist uses. An industry ran by a bunch of pedos isn't all that to begin with. Any shut-in can draw/paint kiddy genitaila with whatever app they choose, doesn't mean they're the ones to follow, or that they know what they're doing

[Anonymous No.1612448]

>>1612419

You forgot that Sketchbook Pro 7, coming out fairly soon, is going to have features that are going to make having Photoshop redundant.

[Anonymous No.1612450]

>>1612442
why do you keep talking about who you're trying to follow. it's just a fucking tool.

photoshop is industry standard, everyone gets that.
but sketchbook pro is pretty much in the same league as ms5 in terms of capabilities.
so really, all you're doing is crying about your dislike for asian software.
you're a pathetic human being.

[Anonymous No.1612454]

>>1612450
>why do you keep talking about who you're trying to follow. it's just a fucking tool.
>photoshop is industry standard, everyone gets that.

Nice hypocritical line of thinking you go there

[Anonymous No.1612459]

>>1612454
>how do i into logic
notice how i followed that up with skechbook pro, for which you could make the same arguement:
why use sketchbook pro when there's photoshop?
are these people using sketchbook pro idiots or something? they have photoshop after all.

industry standard doesn't mean you have to use it is what i'm saying.

[Anonymous No.1612464]

>>1612450
Uhm no, Sketchbook and MS5 are completely different in every conceivable way. MS5 has a much more customizable and powerful brush engine, vector line support, comes with gigs of materials, very flexible screentone material engine, multi-page editing, full range of blending modes, masking, perspective tools, the list goes on. The two aren't even in the same league except for the basic functionality of the basic brushes. MS5 is a much better software and for $50 you'd have to be braindead to buy Sketchbook over Manga Studio, and the same thing applies for pirated.

[Anonymous No.1612467]

>>1612464
well, some of those are niche tools for comicmaking.
i only used SP very briefly, but i thought it did have vector support. and it doesn't have masks and any blending modes? seriously?
i think i'm getting something jumbled up in my memory.

[Anonymous No.1612473]

>>1612467
Maybe you are. Sketchbook Designer is vector, but it's no longer standalone, and it's irrelevant software now. Sketchbook Pro only has 3 blending modes like SAI. Basically there is no reason for Sketchbook Pro to even exist, it's much worse than Krita. The only decent thing about it now is the ellipse and French curve tool which allows you to constrain your pen to a certain vector shape, I have no idea why that kind of feature isn't in other software, especially with customizable vector shapes.

[Anonymous No.1612479]

>>1612459
>why use sketchbook pro when there's photoshop?

Never said sketchbook pro was a replacement for Shitty PS. Matter of fact never mentioned PS. Why keep bringing up PS as the "standard" if it doesn't matter what "tool" we use? Because you think your shitty PS needs to be poured down everyones throats.

But when push comes to shove, PS isn't as much the defacto standard you're trying to hype it to be. Not only does Sketchbook pro dominate tablet usage, Sketchbook Designer is considered the industry standard in Industrial Design and Automotive Design. That's right! REAL industries, not your shitty collective of trust fund babies, hipsters and concept "artists". (I put artists in quotes because of how ironic that term is when applied to your shitty PS users.) Seriously, you think a bunch of twenty something brats scribbling trivial crap are somehow at the forefront leading an "industry"? Bullshit, they're just a bunch monkeys with styluses cranking out shit-tier drawings by the truck load at some cheap-wage that in no way reflects the profits their hiring companies make. So, your "industry standard" is in fact used by a bunch of suckers, naive gullible stupid suckers. Hmmm, I wonder what that really says about your shitty PS? It says your shit ain't all that.

[Anonymous No.1612483]

>>1612473
manga studio has customizable ruler guides which you can make any curve or shape you want.

MS5 is really the best software for drawing/painting/everything. The only thing it's missing is smart objects. So there's that advantage for photoshop I guess. But for most purposes, unless you're doing photo editing, there's no reason to have photoshop.

#fanningtheflames

[Anonymous No.1612487]

>>1612483
nah, manga studio does have A LOT, but photoshop still has even more stuff in terms of adjustment/effects and brushes. which is why it's industry standard.
and i say industry standart just as a simple fact.
stop saying unreasonable things anon, the PS fanboys will pop a vessel.

[Anonymous No.1612490]

>>1612479
>photoshop is not industry standard
let the shitstorm begin

[Anonymous No.1612494]

LELELELELELELEL digital fags arguing which poop is more better smelling.

in the end it's still poop.

[Anonymous No.1612495]

This thread is so full of cancer that it should be deleted before it infects the rest of the board.

[Anonymous No.1612514]

Just installed Black Ink, pretty fun to play with, you shuld check it out

[Anonymous No.1612519]

Sai is shit, even PS elements is better

[Anonymous No.1612524]

>>1612514

>Black Ink
More like black cock, am I right guys?
>>1612519
PS elements is shit, even smoothdraw is better.

[Anonymous No.1612526]

>>1612479
im in the industrial design industry and photoshop is much more commonly used then sketchbook pro

[Anonymous No.1612564]

>>1612524
smoothdraw is crap, even mypaint is better

[Anonymous No.1612616]

>>1612526
>I'll pretend to be "profashional," that'll show'em

I'm art director at a top automotive design studio and can honestly tell say you're a liar and an idiot

[Anonymous No.1612742]

>>1612483
Thanks man this feature is pretty fucking helpful in certain situations because it allows you to focus all your attention on line weight and still get a perfect line.

[Anonymous No.1612775]

>>1612742
NP, here's even a video tutorial on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIpuLSnD6QM

[Anonymous No.1612783]

>>1612616
Wait really? Would you care to link a portfolio?

[Anonymous No.1612784]

>>1612775
the perspective rulers are the best thing ever.

[Anonymous No.1612833]

>>1612616
oh yeah well im a navy seal with over 300 confirmed kills

[Anonymous No.1613005]

>>1612783
Here you go
http://sparkledogs.deviantart.com/

[Anonymous No.1613015]

>>1613005
>http://sparkledogs.deviantart.com/

:3

oh u

[Anonymous No.1613026]

>>1613005
>>1613015
>i swear sparkleartists have some of the best styles

Aaaaand I'm done.

[Anonymous No.1613035]

メインで使っているツールは、この Photoshop.

[Anonymous No.1613036]

>>1613035
illuststudio is also a good program. the pirated version has stability issues when using masks though. the program is somewhat similar to ms5

[Anonymous No.1613043]

>>1613035
corel masterrace

[Anonymous No.1613260]

>>1613043
I agree it's interesting that the mascots on the MS boxes were rendered in corel paint. LOL.

[Anonymous No.1615255]

why do you guys argue over personal preferences? Each program has it's pros and cons. SAI has been extremely popular in online circles because it was easily pirated but it's old and time to move on.

1. photoshop is the standard and you'd be a fool to not at least get aquainted with it if you wish to work in a art profession. theres just no way around this.
2. csp/ms5 is really the true succesor to SAI and is a great program.
3. sketchbook pro is really good and has only improved every release.

in the end it comes down to personal preference and workflow decisions.

[Anonymous No.1615396]

>>1615255
>photoshop is the standard and you'd be a fool to not at least get aquainted with it if you wish to work in a art profession

I work in a art profession and I don't use Photoshop. Now come here and arrest me.

[Anonymous No.1615449]

>>1615396
drawing $10 commissions of furry shit on deviantart is not a "profession".

[Anonymous No.1615520]

>>1613036
what version do you use good sir? can you rovide a link?

[Anonymous No.1616519]

>I am getting a Macbook pro

heh

[Anonymous No.1617677]

What do you guys think about Mischief? It wasn't mentioned.

And damn all these programs to try out,
SAI
Manga Studio 5
Photoshop
Nuke
Maya
Houdini
Krita (hard to run?)
Flockdraw
Artrage
Sketchbook Pro
Black Ink
Illustudio
>>1612096
This is gold. Copypasta this forever.

Got my sister that 12x9 monoprice tablet and she really took a liking to Mischief, but hated Gimp because of the interface and the lack of pressure sensitivity, as well as the brushes being shit. And probably the lack of the infinite canvas, which made it easy to draw uninhibited. Shes a decent artist but a computer novice, so any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.1617692]

>all the peeps shitting on SAI for not being able to into realism

I do pretty good with it. That being said, I don't do realism, so i'm not like the poster child for SAI or anything.

[Anonymous No.1617698]

>>1617677
>>1617692
why the FUCK would you BUMP this SHITTY thread
just let it DIE please!!!

[Anonymous No.1617730]

>>1617698
super bump

[Anonymous No.1617824]

>>1617698
>Flockdraw
and another
op try manga studio 5

[Anonymous No.1618124]

>>1617677
>but hated Gimp because of the interface and the lack of pressure sensitivity,

There isn't any lack of pressure sensitivity. Probably you just didn't activate it in the preferences.

>as well as the brushes being shit

They're not shit, it's the brush management that sucks.
For infinite canvas use Mypaint. On windows it's probably worse, but if you submit the bugs they fix them for the next version. Since it's open source and free it goes all to your advantage.

[Anonymous No.1618139]

>>1611673
Its excellent for linework. Better than photoshop. Id go far as to say its perfected doing linework.

[Anonymous No.1618216]

Just downloaded Manga Studio 5. Brush sizes over 50 lag to the point of not being usable.

If I added 4 gb of ram would it do the trick? I have 4 gb right now. Pic related

[Anonymous No.1618218]

>>1618216
>Last stand.

[Anonymous No.1618220]

>>1618218
what

[Anonymous No.1618226]

>>1618216
oh wait it doesn't lag if I don't go overboard with the resolution. i just kinda wanted a huge canvas

[Anonymous No.1618606]

>>1618218
laugh.

[Anonymous No.1618608]

>>1618216
your comp is kind of slow even by 2010 standards. the intergrated graphics eats away at your available ram. Large canvas and filters are going to bog your system down.

[Anonymous No.1618672]

>>1618216

Thanks for posting your product ID ;)

[Anonymous No.1619032]

>>1611629
SAI is for windows,
Mac has problems running on SAI for reasons that I'm too lazy to type down

[Anonymous No.1619230]

>>1618672
Its generated from a crack

[Anonymous No.1620032]

>this fucking thread still exists

OP here , went with Manga Studio 5 in conjunction with Photoshop, still getting used to it , adjusting to a new program is the worst

Thanks for the suggestions