/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Does this look 3d?

>>7071459
First time making a real bg.
No problem right guys?
Gonna post on pixiv now

>>7071475
Max 100 view, 12 likes.

3 weeks in.

Advice?

Last thread a few anons drew a reference I posted, so I'll the same again. If you're having trouble finding something to draw, try it out. I'll try to post an interesting pose each thread.

>>7071475
Its a bit of a bland background so i would add warmth from another light source.
The perspective is fine and all but itd be more eye catching to add more subjects in the room, if you werent to id think to just leave out the file cabinet for that ultimately empty feel in the room, oh and more shading. Anatomy looks fine. Overall good, just a few finishing touches to be done in the background and more vibrancy done with color.

>>7071493
woWza wHat a waCky pOse ! ¡ !

>>7071513
The pack's supposed to be "anime girl" poses so yeah a lot of them are very cringe.

>>7071504
Yeah. I purposely made it bland because i just wanted some experience for now.
I'll put more stuff on the next one

>>7071520
I mean, it’s just not for me. I think poses can be overdone, but you all love your anime. But if the pose and perspective made the right leg look like that, I would change one or both. Good practice and all that though.

>>7071525

>>7071493
Thanks for the ref. What’s the pack? I like fucked up angles the best.
>>7071492
Just keep getting mileage. If you’ve only been drawing for 3 weeks, that’s pretty damn good progress. I’d recommend also doing Proko’s beg course to get some fundies under your belt. Definitely GMI
>>7071472
Eh… a little bit, because of the overlaps. Feeling the form is hard to learn. I recommend you draw a lot from reference. Maybe do a good beg course like Betty Edwards or Proko. For learning to feel the form, I liked the first couple lessons of DrawABox and then Vilppu
>>7071149
It’s not really about making appealing shapes. It’s basically about using the texture’s cast shadows as a kind of hatching to show the form. I think it’s not a very well-explained lesson and I think it’s out of place that early in the course, so if it’s just not clicking, I’d skip it.

Why can't my brain process small differences in perspective when it comes to rounded objects, bros? None of this junk feels 3d and I know there's something wrong but I can't seem to correct it accurately. My first thought was to just trace to compare but my tablet isn't with me so I'm stuck with my lacking perception.

>>7071493
My face and arms ended up too small.

I didn't quite nail the gesture either to be honest.

Should've paid more attention to negative spaces.

>>7071493

[...]

Is it really that bad to listen to music while doing art studies and /beg/ shit? It feels like everyone says that but it helps me lock in

>>7071638
yes you will get cancer

>>7071493
can you upload the pack plez

>>7071643
Could be worse, at least it doesn't make me like men

>>7071638
it's only bad if you focus on the music instead of the drawing, but realistically who fucking does that kek. most people just zone out the music and focus on the art

>>7070488
I am a beg myself and did it mainly as an exercise in drawing figures from imagination, so feel free to disregard.
I feel like the core issue is stiff pose. Tried to make it looks a bit less stiff without changing it too much. In real work I'd just go for a reference.

>>7071662
Let's wait a bit before we start doing redlines anon.

>>7071675
>l-lets w-wa..
No. I will draw a beg redline and I WILL have fun doing it

>>7071691
>is beg
>does redlines from imagination
>turns out worse than whatever you're redlining
>"anon, please stop"
Ait future pawell.

How do I get gud as fast as possible for commissions? Grind figure art/anime?

>>7071694
I draw. You seethe. Your point?

>>7071696
If you're just in it to make money you're ngmi

I think it's better now but still not there.
Any feedback on the pose/anatomy/flow?

>>7071697
Drawing from imagination like you're doing is useless.

>>7071701
The parts you actually drew are fine, but you completely skipped out on her forearms

>>7071706
How do you mean that exactly..? I did draw them in but I figured the breasts would mostly cover them anyway.

>>7071704
It's your third reply and absolutely nothing of value was said.

>>7071699
If you try to make it you won't make it...?

>>7071710
Ok pawell-san, I know when you're low iq it's hard to understand.

>>7071727
Why are you trying to help him? just get your pop corn and enjoy the car-crash
Capcha:y420

okay this might be retarded to focus on but what canvas and px size brush should i be using? in picrel im using a 15px brush. but i see a lot of artist use 800x800px canvas and they can cram a ton of detail in it but when i try using a smaller px brush and canvas i feel like i cant get any details in at all unless i go down to like a 1 px brush but that gives a weird aliasing look which isnt in the art im seeing.
anyway any tips would be appreciated.

>>7071493
Pawell, if you're reading this I challenge you to draw this figure instead of your Villpu blobs and spend at least an hour or I swear to God I'll travel to whatever godforsaken slav commieblock you're holed up in and I will break every finger on your each of your hands.

I can draw ok but proportions look off, my figures don’t look great. What’s a good paid course for beginners to draw figures? I watched some of Steve Huston and he seems more intermediate. I always think about what he said when drawing a figure but I don’t really understand the basics.

>>7071005
ok thank you, I'll try with a simple shape
I would love you to do a quick redline if you want, I used this ref a bit I thought it wasnt so off

How do you manage to draw for long periods (4/5 hours+) day in and day out? Do you split it into multiple sessions throughout the day? Also mentally how do you manage these long sessions? Do you just switch into drawing mode and enter a flow state and force yourself to block out distractions? I have trouble with focus, especially for that long.

>>7071809

>>7071809
I just draw when I want to draw and do something else when I don't want to draw. Why do you feel the need to force a hobby onto yourself?

>>7071809
How many hours a day do you draw now?

>>7071735
far arm is too short, mouth is a touch too far to the left
>but i see a lot of artist use 800x800px canvas and they can cram a ton of detail in it
they almost certainly don't, the norm is to draw big and resize to a smaller size

>>7071826
I can usually manage 1 or 2 hours of straight drawing

>>7071339
So time to give up then? Or is someone gonna try and convince me I can still do it, cause I feel like I can't.

>>7071844
you're begging dude, it's hard to watch. but if you try hard and learn from your mistakes ygmi

I've been drawing for roughly 2 weeks now I think. First week was just drawing, second week was line confidence and faster workflow exercises. Now I am learning the Loomis and Dodson. I started drawing because I want to make short stories/webcomics about goblins. I got some advice when I started that I should get to an acceptable level before starting but I'm starting to think that might not be a good idea. Should I start my illustrations/comic now with my mediocre art and improve my drawing as I progress with my story or spend a few more weeks grinding fundies?

And to the two anons that recommended robotpencil and James Gurney to me thanks. They are really good for what I want to learn.

>>7071844
nah, I agree with the other anon
better use your limited time on earth on something else

I will draw today and its going to be plenty fun.

Could anybody comment on this early stage sketch of a body I did?

>>7071809
pomodoro. 60 min drawing, 10 min rest, although most of the time i go past the 60 min timer
also warm up drawing lines and ellipses first to get your mind into drawing mode

>>7071844
>Just started
>already needs other people to convince him to keep trying
Yeah, you aint making it homie. Drawing isn't easy and if you go into it as a /beg/ looking for clout/attention/money or "just" getting good you're ngmi.

>>7071927
>just getting good
Isn't that what we all want to do?

>>7071972
Depends. It's all a mindset thing, people who say I "just" want to get good are in my experience usually not living up to those words. Does your actions reflect "I just want to get good, this is all I am focused on" or are you saying those words with entitlement like "I just want to get good, is that too much to ask for". Anyways at the end of the day someone who finds enjoyment in improving at drawing will outpace/outwork the rest.

>>7071853
Just start.

>>7071459
>using my fucked up drawing as OP image
DELETE THIS
AIIIIIIIE

>>7071638
It was really awkward at first but I've started drawing in silence and I am able to focus more. I do have really good ANC on my headphones though and use it, cause I've got roommates with tvs and shit.

>>7071493
Well what ever, some extras thrown in

i dra w

Figure drawing to try and work on construction, forget to focus on the constructing. Why is my brain like this

I’m still not drawing.

>>7072084
why not, anon?

i am still editing previous work from a month ago its over. take this as warning if you are ever working on cgs for a game or something else where the art is important like comic etc make sure you draw it well the first time, lest you end up like This
i think this was the one i wanted to fix the most. not finished but i'll get it done today because i don't want to work on this for another entire day. the original is just comically fucked up compared to the other cgs i have finished. i still want to do minor fix to some others but nothing like this again
having a hard time with hand definition still. stared at my own for hours and came up with nothing. unsurprisingly i'm (almost) just as bad at inner hand as i am at outer hand. also don't like how the angle of the mouth looks with the rest of the face. could be a full face issue or just a mouth issue but i'm having a hard time figuring out which it is. feel free to point anything out. might not be able to get any further with correcting hand issues right now much like yesterday but i'll certainly try

>>7071927
>>7071990
Yeah no shit I wanna get good, I'm asking if I CAN get good or if it's a fruitless effort with my poor ass "skills".

>>7072095
Doesn't sound like you enjoy drawing so yeah, it's 100% a fruitless effort

>>7072095
Anyone can get good, Anon. It's just a matter of perspective (heh). What exactly are you struggling with in terms of perspective/boxes?

This was a bitch to draw. I should go lick a cute girls feet to get some reference material.

>>7072095
anyone can get good at art, but if you're grinding yourself against the whetstone and begging for validation, you're just going to find yourself frustrated and making little progress because errors will put a dead stop in front of you.
you gotta learn to enjoy the process. draw things that you enjoy, draw with other people in a social environment, or just take a break and pick up another creative hobby. if you want to keep it to something visual, maybe try sculpting or 3d modelling. bounce back to drawing when you want to give it another go.
i'm not going to say you have no chance, but i do need to stress that this mentality of 'i won't be validated unless i can make good art NOW' is just going to get you fucked up. it got me fucked up, and i had to get therapy to get over it, so be easy on yourself. you need to give yourself some breathing room.

>>7071472
ye kinda, it's not very good though.
You're scratching a lot.

With regards to the spine indent, that doesn't seem quite right.

The sketch is a bit boring as-is but in your defense it's a very preliminary sketch.

I wonder what you're trying to do.
It looks like this voluptuous woman is sitting in solitude (or in state of desolate) crying or peering into the distance.

I think my impression of your idea is that your idea kind of sucks if this is what you were trying to do because her oversized breasts are in stark contrast to any feeling other than of joy and hilarity because Ms. had to have humongous breasts so you can get off to it or something.

OK, last part was a little rude of me, it's good that you're trying I can see.
Whatever you're trying to do keep at it!

>>7071475
Something about the face feels a bit 'off' and/or 'flat'.
The jawline maybe?
How the neck, shoulders, and head are drawn in a way where that final touch of le form is just a tad bit missing.

My only recommendation is that you re-check the position/size of the nose.

Something with the lighting a touch of atmosphere seems missing.
I also think you can push your light/dark/brightness/values/contrast/whatever way up.

Like, this is supposed to be at night but the dark 'punch' is definitely missing,

All things considered except the act that is being depicted in your picture (pornography simply doesn't align with the Holy Bible) the quality here is pretty admirable, I mean, I dig the quality, the picture looks nice!
Gangster!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqxipcAI9HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyukbWGXfg

>>7071487
My feedback:
Head too large in relation to the body
Body seems too short vertically I think.
Just the proportions (but those are always tricky)

She also looks 'distorted' in the way you drew her anatomical features.

Definitely quality here to come though!
Keep it gangster!!

>>7071492
My advice is that I think you're doing great!

>>7072031
>>7071625
>>7071620
>>7071578
Gangster definitely keep it up proud of you guys!!@!!!!

>>7071701
Arms too short they need to be redrawn.
If you want something more for the pose/flow I suggest that you tilt her chin up a bit and you make her gaze down in a dominant/smug expression to the viewer.

Grewat keep it up

>>7071727
lol. pawell never draws from imagination. you should know this if you frequent this thread at all

>>7071735
>okay this might be retarded to focus on but what canvas and px size brush should i be using?
I read your post but I don't think I can help you with this.
I think you can figure this out what will work for you and your personal art process/workflow.

>>7071809
I struggle to draw those amounts I think on a daily basis.
Not feeling so great about this aniem meme eneavor anymore!

So, I have some off-days where I don't draw at all but that other anon suggested that you try a pomodoro timer that's a pretty good tip for you maybe.

Adderall is fun stuff but it doesn't make you draw more or better I think, maybe it even more negatively affects my gay artsy endeavor who knows.
Feels vibin' tho!!
Vibin' on pills!

*So I wonder what came first, the shitty music, or the drugs.*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5c5RdpNc6Q

>>7072045
I embrace you!

>>7072084
~I forgive you! <3

how do you guys simplify the knuckles? while my hands are pretty shit in general still, feels like it comes even more apart when it's a pose that focuses on the knuckles

how can i make this more dramatic? i feel like something is missing in this drawing, but i'm not sure what.

>>7072084
Be good and reward yourself.

>>7072095
>Yeah no shit I wanna get good, I'm asking if I CAN get good
Unless you're literally mentally handicapped you can.
It's not an easy thing to accomplish though but very much so within your grasp.
Good luck

Do you guys think I can get good if i put in the work?
I'll try regardless but i'm curious what the thread thinks.

>>7072155
could use more dramatic lighting?
i think you should do something to lower the contrast of the corner of the room in the bg, it stands out too much

>>7072155
i think adding motion lines to places applicable (to depict struggle or add force to the head being pushed down) would be a good way to add a sense of urgency. really good so far especially the lighting on the characters

>>7072127
i doubt it anon. i’ve had this problem for years now and it doesn’t help that i moved from pc tablet to ipad. everywhere i see contradicting advice. i like the feel of big canvases when drawing but it is so much work to make it look clean. smaller canvas is less work but also doesn’t have the detail density i like.

picrel is an example of lower px canvas i think
https://files.catbox.moe/vxwcbw.jpeg

>>7072155
The pose looks like she holds her head gently. It should look like she applies her weight on her head.

>>7072098
Honestly I don't know if it's that or if I'm stressing myself trying to improve
>>7072101
Everything apparently
>>7072103
You know, you're right. I think I'm gonna have to stop until I can stop stressing myself and find a way to learn that works for me.
>>7072158
>Unless you're literally mentally handicapped you can.
I'm diagnosed with autism, ADHD and ADD. Is that close enough?

>>7072179
oh man, you've told me the one thing i don't want to hear, i think it's too late to change that now butt you're totally right lol

>>7071459
I was speaking to pawell on Discord and he sent the book he is studying figure drawing from. So i decided to check it out and give it a shot. Here is my initial attempts.

I am not very sure if i like this approach to figure drawing

starting next week i'll be forced to spend 6 hours a day drawing on public transit i heckin love middle management

>>7072196
not that anon but i think it could be fixed with some 'tension lines' or something. maybe tighten both of their grips a bit, bottom girl trying to push upwards from the sink while the hands on her head push downwards.

>>7072045

>>7072113
>My only recommendation is that you re-check the position/size of the nose.
Now that you mentioned it, you're right
Damn. I should take note of that on the next pic I draw

>>7072195
>I'm diagnosed with autism, ADHD and ADD. Is that close enough?
I meant actual struggles to speak coherently retard
Adhdh and add and tism are probably gonna make it harder but its not outside your reach still

>>7072198
These look like good vilppu copies, make sure to make plenty of your own using the method.

>>7072102
Nice job anon, try to be less of a degenerate if you can.

Do remember to copy the whole plate too

>>7072093
If left se the newer one, it's a noticeable improvement on all counts, the perspective on the flag pins and the star pin on the hat is much better

>>7072199
I look like that but my job doesn't make me do that

>>7072199
hello fellow middle manager
how many direct reports do you have?

>>7072195
Autism, ADHD, and ADD are not real things. Just excuses to let you get away with certain behaviors, but by all means blame your "mental illnesses" for your artistic inadequacy.

>>7072155
I'd change the neutral expression of the pink-haired girl

>>7072220
oh no im not middle management i do actual work

>>7072155
here's the progress

>>7072155
have bits of catgirl's hair scrunched between top girl's fingers to imply a really tight grip, have catgirl's ahoge springing up to show she's super alert, maybe even fuzzy like a startled cartoon cat's tail

I DONT WANT TO READ ANYMORE I JUST WANT TO DRAW

>>7072238
so draw you howie faggot

>>7072240
BUT BETTY
BUT LOOMIS
BUT DODSON
I HAVE TO DO THE EXERCISES OR MY DRAWINGS WILL LOOK LIKE SHIT

>>7072243
scrap 1 and 3
read book 2 for 20 pages then draw. nothing more needs to be said.

>>7072243
>BUT DODSON
Yeah fuck him especially. If I have to stare at my hand any longer I'm chopping it off.

>>7072243
>>7072246
hell, you could skip all three if you understand plumb lines, block ins and measuring

floating imagination head

>>7072089
Because you told me I’m NGMI, you stuoid nigger.
>>7072134
What are you, a Christcuck?
>>7072156
I did. I stopped drawing.

>>7072259
i didn't tell you that, anon. maybe you should go back to drawing, but get away from /ic/
personally i do the same, this place just serves as a good place to get materials from time tot ime

>>7072206
cute

Reposting from the last thread:

"So I drew these today, and for some reason my hand felt a bit unsteady compared to before, I am not sure why my lines/curves still look a bit neater but I struggled to feel comfortable while drawing today.

Do I just need to rest my hand? Also do my cubes look overly wonky? I feel they look nicer than ones I could draw a few months back but I dunno, I can't always tell."

When I don't feel all that great I force myself to do these exercises to build my motor skills up, though today my hands felt slightly shakey at times so it waas harder for me to get neater lines, though they still feel less obviously shakey compared to before.

>>7072233
this is good so far the motion is portrayed pretty well and i also like the water rendering

>>7072251
nope those are irrelevant when drawing from imagination which is the goal of most artists

Maybe I should read more books instead of copying random pictures until it works

>>7072286
why aren't you drawing through your boxes?

this dude looks so scuffed lol

gonna color it maybe

>>7072320
sovl

>>7072320
he...hes...hes gonna fuck her isn't he?

>>7072322
he's just shy guy who waits for his bus bro stop that

>>7072319
I honestly need to make a habit of doing that more.

>>7072222
...Y'know I'm not even gonna bother

This is probably better fit for stupid questions but what are those boxes i've been hearing about and are they really really crucial to the process?
Is it some well-known beg course or just a general exercise everyone should be doing?
Pls redpill me on that.

>>7072286
Remember to push yourself and actually apply what you're doing here to drawing some challenging and complex things. As a /beg/ it's easy to stagnate and keep repeating these exercises without any real thought.

>>7072327
Yeah because you'd lose.

>>7072123
thanks chum

>>7072328
boxes are the simplest form that defines 3d space, in particular, every box defines a set of 3 vanishing points, i.e. 3 point perspective
but the first thing you should do is build the habit of drawing for fun, before any courses or any of that shit

>>7072233
if this is in the motion of pushing down, maybe show that flow of motion in greys hair. her bangs are curled inward to the face, but shes doused so the wet hair should have more downward weight.
straighten out the arm that pink is using to shove with to be more firm. this will also make her torso seem more forward than left-facing. the other hand looks to be just resting on the shoulder, but the fingers could wrap tighter around them or the neck for visual grip
if you wanted to make it more intense she could be looming a bit over her aswell, makes it more personal than ambushy

>>7072335
i remember getting filtered HARD by the idea of a vanishing point while i was doing a drawabox even though its not that hard to wrap your head around(i think)
but yea ur right i should focus on drawing more first

>>7072330
Yeah I was worried I was going into that.

Think iit may be a good idea to try and add things to the surface of a sphere? That might be a good exercise.

Man i really don't want to draw right now but i need to.

>>7072262
You're being baited dummy

>>7071459
I have a question. Most digital art I see usually has a soft render kind of look, which I don't particularly like how digital drawing programs render that out. If its a hard edge more cel shaded-kind of look, its usually on a very cartoony/anime drawings.

Are there good artists/examples out there that you can point me to where you have a relatively realistic drawing, done with hard edge colour shading? Any tips on how to mix those two together?

fwap

Hi beg. Todays session was just misery after misery

>>7072331
nice doggo
>>7072320
you overdid it with the vegetation. pro beg tip: leave some space empty for composition + allows foreshortening for depth (smaller trees as they go towards horizon)
>>7072315
it looks like your nobook method is working, very solid all around
>>7072254
mogs all my imagined heads
>>7072233
i kneel and i bet some people coom to this
>>7072056
you were distracted by the coom
>>7072044
SOUL
>>7071875
too much stabilizer
>>7071853
what is robotpencil?
>>7071739
done. the pose was very awkward, please leave my fingers alone
>>7071630
shiny pointy booba
>>7071580
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n135
>>7071475
are you using 3D models? it looks incredibly stiff. rather bad value range. the liquid on her pussy lips looks extremely uncanny. the only thing i like is the floor texture lmao
>>7072328
if you can draw box correctly you can draw ANYTHING
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n89
>>7072362
most drawers grew up with anime: so they all draw anime: outline, flat colors, some airbrush = done. but you can emulate literally ALL styles or media. Check
https://www.escapemotions.com/products/rebelle/about
you dont really need that one specific app for that, its just they have all the examples you are asking for

>>7072213
would love to see a speedpaint yours, small ears and a better alignment with the jaw bone could increase its appeal, i think

>>7072374
Your rendering style is beyond ugly. Is there no book for that?

>>7072374
>but you can emulate literally ALL styles or media. Check
You can emulate a lot, but for me personally, emulating traditional always looks extremely bad aesthetically. Every tool has its strengths and weaknesses, and if you want something to look traditional - don't use digital. I think digital is good for hard edged non-blended colour art, but I don't want to draw anime.

>>7072374
>another Pawell wall of text
Yeah I'm gonna ignore all your dogshit advice, not interested in becoming a meme here like you.

idk

>>7072389
Love that the coom one is the only one you put some effort into.

>>7072390
im a simple man who loves some booba (plus the ones that didnt look like it had effort took only 1 minute for warmup)

>>7071459
reposting cuz last thread was dying.

I want to join some online workshops but I'm reading that picrel (not my work) should take 1-2 minutes each and it takes me ages to do anything. how the fuck do I become quicker at drawing? do I need certain prerequisites to start learning anatomy? I'm doing figure drawing courses and they're saying learning anatomy helps speed things up, but then I'm too slow for the anatomy stuff?

>Drawing for 4 months
>Making obvious progress
>Still feel like im NGMI
How do you cope?

I'm picking some video lessons from moderndayjames and following along with Bridgerman's Drawing from Life but I'm afraid that I'm picking the wrong lessons from him. People often say that Bridgerman isn't for/beg/ but the book has a ton of examples of basic forms.

>>7072374
please stop giving advice

>>7072405
I was impressed until you said it wasn't your work and then started asking a bunch of howie questions. That made the fall to disappointment all the more devastating.

>>7072414
just keep in mind it's not medically accurate and it's meant to be exaggerated anatomy for artists
try "completing" a bridgman drawing by adding more parallel pencil strokes in between the example lines, that teaches you how to shade

>>7072377
Hey anon, thanks for the feedback! The ear is absolutely a problem area there

I don't have a speedpaint but I did save some intermediate stages

>>7072388
I'm joining the Pawell hate train, cause of him I'm losing motivation to learn

>>7072472
Stop blaming outside forces for your own shortcomings

>>7072483
>>7072472
Joining the Pawell hate train because hating on him gives me the power to do better and learn more

>>7072374
Genuinely better than the Villpu blobs. I'm proud of you Pawell.

people hating on pawell still for no reason?
truly, this board is full of teenagers and adults who think like teenagers

revisiting this old unfinished drawing. what can i do to improve?

(besides the feet and empty crotch)

>>7072427
idk, anon. there's so much to learn that it can be confusing what I should be focusing on and when. picrel is my honest attempt at drawing a foot at 2.5 minutes and the other at 12. I see I'm nowhere near the speed of other artists learning anatomy and worry I'm skipping over something important.

>>7072528
>for no reason
lmao
kek even

>>7072528
>>7072510
Pawell samefagging as usual.

>>7072528
My reason is he recommended KTD to me and now I'm pretty sure I popped a dozen blood vessels.

>>7072531
then tell me the reasons you guys hate on pawell
and make them good and not sound like youre mad

>>7072532
>>7072533
I see, just nodraw trolls acting like kids
nothing to see here

>>7072534
Pawel gives advice without being able to produce pleasing or correct art
Pawel has been studying for two years now and doesn't apply his studies anywhere
Pawel doesn't even read the books he mindlessly copies

>>7072534
>he has been a permabeg for years
>he gives advice
>he is arrogant
>he samefags
That's enough for me to hate you pawell

>>7072538
>>7072540
sounds like you guys a bitter and just wanting to vent frustrations on others

>>7072530
You're actually doing very well especially for 12 minutes and a beginner. You're overthinking things, and that's how the Howie questions start. Doing this >>7072405 in 2 minutes is not realistic for a beginner and even many ints, I have no idea where you were told that. Drawing faster comes with time and experience.

>>7072544
No, I just hate how Pawel posts walls of mass replies every day and doesn't improve.

>>7072544
Ok pawell-san, keep grinding, just a few more years and you'll reach chris-chan status.

>>7072533
Again, stop blaming Pawell and KTD because you can't draw a fucking box. I can tell you're the same guy.

methinks drawing from life is probably better than just doing anime

>>7072540
>>7072538
>>7072488
>>7072472
>>7072388

Pawell never always says nice things about my art and he never gives me any advice (cause I mog). I don't mind him

so maybe you all should git gud

>>7072558
No, I'll shit on you here for as long as /ic/ exists pawell-san no amount of you same fagging will make me stop.

>>7072532
>>7072533
>>7072538
>>7072540
>>7072546
>>7072549
while youre here seething pawrll is drawing
how ironic

ic bitter retards trying to shoo away an active user
people truly are pathetic

to those trying to troll i reocmmend the following book

>>7072567
And how has that been working out for him?

>>7072569
It's for the good of /beg/ pawell and anyone appreciating him are below average iq.

>>7072198
You are unironically better than him at drawing gestures and feeling the flow.

>>7072545
I saw a discord workshop doing an "all skill levels" anatomy studies course and the instructor noted these feet should take 1-2 minutes each. I don't have a frame of reference for these things and started worrying. I'll keep drawing as I do to become faster. thanks, anon.

Pawell makes the /beg/ thread look worse than it actually is.

>>7072551
You're right, I should follow his advice. I'll keep staring at my hand like a retard since that what he wants.

>>7072578
>7 months fail fag
>Lunatic soda
>Esdeath
>Howie
>Pawell
This thread attract a lot of "interesting" people.

>>7072388
Why does he make you faggots seethe so much?

>>7072606
he can't draw if his life depended on it and yet he gives advice to everyone

>>7072592
Should i feel bad i don’t even make the list?

>>7072610
I've been on this board 8 years and have never been a meme on here.

really you only become a meme like nosebro by being an obnoxious faggot

>>7072616
I guess I’ll be more obnoxious then, you nigger faggot!

>>7072620
You have to post your work so people recognize you. :)

>>7072621
oh. But I’m the guy who gave up drawing because you told me I was NGMI.

>>7072625
seems you truly were NGMI anon

>>7072625
Hey get in line anon, thats my thing.

>>7072625
hehe so I was right :^)

>>7072627
I don’t draw better than you don’t!

>>7072630
You and me, let's go

>>7072650

ngl bros I think I'm getting somewhere this is my first drawing I'm proud of

>>7072625
I was just trying to keep the competition down, I saw great potential in you, potential to surpass even me, so I had to take action.

>>7072567
>while youre here seething pawrll is bashing his head against a brick wall

Working on this rn!

>>7072720
This looks great anon, except for that right hand. The right foot is ok

What is best way to practice form and think about form? I draw gesture and then try to draw the form of the gesture and it usually ends up looking pretty flat in a lot of areas

>>7072744
1. Make something out of clay/play doh(or using sketchfab 3d models )
2. Draw it in different angles.
https : // skfb dot ly/6Xprx

In critical need of second opinions
Does the asymmetry in the main eyes at the top stand out bad or does it look okay? I’ve flipped my canvas too many times per sitting and lost my sense of judgement

>>7071625
turned it into animu

>>7072744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5AV42mgAe0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLZW4aCgG5I

>>7072285
you find it cute?

>''Our minor axis is always the same as the vanishing point''
Only when projecting the outline of a sphere. When you draw a circle, that shit does not hold.
> ''The ellipse that is closer to the viewer is always a little more squished than the ellipse that is further away from the viewer''
> Presents a 1 point perspective cylinder even though he's drawing in 2-point perspective
I despise artist tutorials on Youtube.

>>7071459
Is hand drawn physical art dead for good? New beginner here.

>>7072820
Yes, all dead. We are just here for the memes, go home.

How do you into digital on a small tablet (I have an Intuos S)? I forced myself to do digital for 2 hours everyday for 3 months last year until I stopped because I really dislike digital. I'm trying to get back into since there's no benefit in only being able to do traditional, but fuck man, within 15 minutes I feel like dropping the entire thing since it feels so shitty and slippery.

>>7072852
The large disparity between your tablet and screen size makes tablet 100% more unusable. You want as few pixels moved per inch of tablet area as possible. If you're using a small tablet your every move corresponds to about 3x the distance on your monitor or more, meaning your every movement is greatly magnified. That's why it demands way more percision than natural drawing and why you're drawing worse on a tablet. Try binding the function "Percision mode" to your express keys and you can see what a more natural mapping would feel like. This function maps the tablet to a smaller portion of your screen so you get higher control in that area.

The conclusion is; always buy as large of a tablet as you can afford and comfortably use at your desk.

>>7072852
You don't, small tablets are for playing OSU! and graphic designers.

A small tablet barely costs 20$ less than an reasonably sized one, if you're that broke just stick to traditional.

>>7072876
I'll have a look at the precision mode thing and see if it helps.
>>7072877
>A small tablet barely costs 20$ less than an reasonably sized one
An Intuos S costs like 80 USD where I live, and an Intuos M Is around 180 USD. The only brand I really know about is Wacom. Maybe there were other brands I should have looked into, but I'm very unfamiliar with digital tools and tablets.

>>7072885
Ok, so get a job for a day or two and buy one? What's the issue?

>>7072885
>I'll have a look at the precision mode thing and see if it helps.
try it for sure. it's more of a thought experiment than a practical long term solution in this case. the area available in this mode will be limited, the point is just to show you the difference between low and high scaling factors (low being better)

>>7072885
You messed up big time. I originally wanted to buy the Intuos S for the same reason, but the One by Wacom M has a perfectly reasonable price, no buttions, but who cares.

In retrospect thought, I would buy any brand of tablet, even if they may be a bit inaccurate, if you're a beg I doubt that matters. Whatever. The M size is have is okay for me to work, but any smaller would be a no no. Maybe you can compensate for the small size by working zoomed in and also having a window that displays the full work also.

>>7072885
also a few more thoughts, these tablets basically last until they are destroyed so it really doesnt matter how much you spend. $180 is not even that much cash anyway.

If you find it slippery, then maybe yours is a defective unit, they sell protective layers for these maybe that will help. I would not describe mine as slippery, it has a good grip.

>>7072530
> I see I'm nowhere near the speed of other artists learning anatomy and worry I'm skipping over something important.
who cares about speed. Should be the last thing you care, if you can draw it thats a win. If I cared about speed I would have killed myself.

Is getting a really expensive tablet worth it? I have money but just curious if there's that much of a difference between a 300-500 dollar one and a 1500+ one. Or is it just a start with a cheaper one and upgrade as you improve kinda thing?

>>7072907
Oh and also do you think it's better to stick to traditional in the beginning instead of jumping into digital?

>>7072950
nobody is going to tell you this because they dont want to be mean but your rendering style is ugly as shit

>>7072907
The main things to look at are size, and whether the tablet has a screen. If you got a couple thousand dollars to burn, then yeah, you can get features that don't exist on cheaper tablets. I'm not sure if it's worth it, I can only afford a basic one.

>>7072907
I use a high end tablet at work and some screenless chinese one at home, the first one is easier to use but the results aren't that much better.

If I was good enough to worry about the brush engine or needed to improve my workflow I'd pick the first one but for drawing anime bitches until I git gud it doesn't make much of a difference

>>7072907
just buy the biggest you can afford
I prefer screenless, but some anons really don't like them
that said, a lot of artists with nice line confidence attribute it to working with pen and paper early on

>>7072909
Both at least. Not experiencing drawing outside, the versatility of a graphite pencil, the big shoulder movements etc would be like missing out on life.

>>7072885
Wacom is very overpriced compared to everyone else, get a Huion or one of those other chinese brands for less than half the price

Get a worse product for less money, I guess it's fair

>>7072982
there's no difference in quality at the lowest tiers

i want to get more into traditional art again. i mostly have trouble with the position and angle i draw in causing me pain. i used to draw traditionally all the time back when i didn't have this problem. might put my sketchbook on the stand in place of my tablet and see if that does anything for my back and shoulders

one of the latest pages I drew. I hate action. But I love it.

>Draw upside down
okay I did it, my copies looks better, now what? how do I keep the right side of my brain on and the left one off? just keep doing this? what else?

>>7073013
Stop wiping with just paper and use a bit of soap and water. You're literally walking around with a DIRTY ASSHOLE. That will help.

>>7073016
this. if you're ever on the receiving end of surprise buttsex you'd want your anal to be clean at least

more figures with what I'm learning from Hampton. It's starting to click
>>7071809
amphetamines do wonders, but I only do that on weekends

>>7073021
top left looks sick, you still got the full reference?

I said I was gonna just draw for 2024(blackpilled on courses/tutorials/reading etc) had a slow start and didn't draw until late January but I've been drawing daily since then.
On the right is a copy I did on the first day and on the left a copy I did yesterday from some chinese book I found here(I've been drawing other shit than just head copies but my first drawings were head copies and I wanted to do a comparison).
So far I'm improving, I'm applying things I learn while copying to drawings I do myself, obv they don't turn out as good but I'm sure with time and effort they will.
Attempting to draw loads of different stuff that I wouldn't even dare attempt before, clothes, animals, people, castles and although most turn out bad I'm actually having a shit ton of fun, it's like a constant puzzle solving exercise. See you all next month, I'll post some actual drawings of different things and not just a shitty copy then.
Also to the faggot who called me retarded, I remember you, I saved your comment, it's on my wall and I look at it every day, I know what you're gonna say "oh you copied something and it looks like shit" yeah well bitch I'm only one month in and I'm just getting started so I need more comments from you for my crabwall now cope with that dumbass.

>>7073023
here you go

>>7071459
Been watching Proko's course on figure drawing

I'm on mannequinization, it's pretty neat how breaking everything down piece by piece makes it a lot easier to get the basic shapes.

>>7073035
Since you're pretty new I would recommend drawing the box mannequin on top of the reference to see how you can actually break down the figure
When you've done that, remove the mannequin layer and draw the figure on the side like you did in this post.

>>7073016
what kind of advice is that??

>>7073039
just draw XD

kill yourself

>>7073037
Hey that actually helps a lot

>>7072794
kinda, more than anything im just flattered

>>7071630
looks like AI, spoon :)))))))
xoxoxo ^_^

>>7072950
I love chainsawman :-]

>>7071487
>>7072117

What books/courses do i do to learn how to draw humans?
I'm a pre-beg tho so keep that in mind.

fwap practice. been working more traditionally as well, though I don't have those scanned to show.

>>7073067

this is looking so good.

>>7073097

don't know what you mean by prebeg - beg is just beg. LoveLifeDrawing's fresh eyes course can be good for getting into figures. if you mean you've never even held a pencil then start with lesson 1-2 of drawabox combined with some figure studies. don't forget to draw for fun in between studies. if you want to draw people, draw them unapologetically and just try to notice where the gaps in your skill are.

>>7072529
desperate bump

>>7073119
>>7072529
Looks fine anon. My only nitpick would be adams jawline. it looks too connected, like a stuck on anime head. Here's my dogwater edit
Also his hair is sloppily done

it's so over

>>7073195
Why?

>>7073198
dunno, just too used to not doing realism (minus the anime girl)

>>7072000
it's tradition for the OP image to be something that catches your eye from the old begthread. i liked yours anon. it's pretty neat

>>7072529
the hatching and lack of cocks makes them look like they're wearing skinsuits. draw a fig leaf if you have to

>>7073204
What anime girl? What realism? It's all just symbol drawings m8, minus the loomis ball. What're you studying or what is your process?

>>7073042
Keep going. Be more precise with your lines if you can.
And keep it simple, forearms should be cylinders, not two parts
Draw the ovals of the cylinders, it will keep you thinking in 3D

>>7073210
Thanks. Shame the ink got smeared by my markers because the paper couldn't hold the ink in place though

>>7071472
Watch karl gnass spirit of the pose and it will

>>7071630
Rendering of top left is semi pro

>>7072720
Rlly cool


Back at it again after a month and a little more of hiatus.

>>7073218
wait, it was just symbols? i was trying to follow Proko's guide for the head, along with picrel for figuring out shapes in bateman's eyes

>>7072411
Ask yourself why you're drawing, and look at the "big picture".
Do you want to emulate a certain artist? If so, try to come up with a list of actionable items and try working on those, changing your strategy if you feel something isn't working.
Do you want to enjoy drawing more? If so, try thinking of things you could be doing to make yourself happier while drawing. This can be something as simple as putting on some music or making yourself tea.
Do you feel like you aren't progressing fast enough? That's totally normal. Remember to take breaks if you need them. You won't progress if you're burnt out and aren't enjoying drawing.
Lastly, remember that 4 months isn't a lot of time. You yourself have mentioned you have obvious progress, so be proud of that, and try looking forward to how much you'll progress. Like many other hobbies where one wants to get better, it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Feeling unsatisfied with this work so far. Not sure if I'm lacking dark, bolder lines/textures, or if maybe it could benefit from more colors. Thoughts?

>>7072540
Holy shit i hate how much he reminds me of me
>be me
>start 4 years ago
>still permabeg
>slow improvement
>keeps coming back to same subject even if he sucks at it
> ignores other fundamentals or undermines them from constant loop

Noo i don't want to be like pawell. Only difference i can see is that i often don't draw or study for days even weeks.

I posted this one >>7072742 on the wrong thread because I'm stoopid.
I corected the shoulders and torso a little bit and wanted to hear your thoughts on the figure.

>>7073195
These are just scribbles, out of 10 attempts only 1 resembes a human head. Are you drawing from imagination? Take a reference and try to construct the head that looks like the reference. Then fix mistakes. Do this at least 50 times, compare it with that you scribbled now and then ask whether it's over.

>>7072540
Nah, the only difference between pawel and 90% of /ic/ is just that he draws and also posts every his study here like an autist. 90% of /ic/ either posts 1 or 2 of their best works or just doesn't post neither works nor studies at all kek.

>>7073331
I can tell it's you, Pawell.

>>7073327
>Are you drawing from imagination?
only... 2? of the actual finished heads were from imagination, the 4 ""finished"" near the right side were from proko's guide, and bateman i just did for fun
>Do this at least 50 times, compare it with that you scribbled now and then ask whether it's over.
aye aye captain

I’m still not drawing.

So jetpens was a start for art supplies and all, but what would I need from mechanical? a twist or something?

>>7073249
Yeah, you're still just symbol drawing. You're not really following the guide you just posted.

>>7073371
Oh. Oops... I guess I'll start from the beginning again, then.

>>7073392
Do the eyes one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko

I just want some book recomendations about figure drawing, please.

some more Vilppu

>>7073368
:)

>>7073025
New schizo just dropped

>>7073025
For the record I also think you're retarded

How do I make my brain understand where shadows go? if you say use references I'll shit your pants.

>>7073460
Woops

>>7073317
I try to draw but i keep doubting myself that maybe i have wasted too much time to correct myself in this year. I feel like 4 years so far is too much of nothing for this amount of progress. I'm willing to and will pick up the fucking pencil and draw and just keep grinding as long as there is hope that i can improve. I don't want to ask questions no more but i really want to know if my fate is same or i can change this year.

>>7073368
it's cute, but the legs need to have the right rhythm to not look like balloons
It is also interesting to leave the ribcage and pelvis at different angles, otherwise the torso will appear flat.

>>7073401
the french God himself, Michel Lauricella and and his series of books called Morpho

>>7073452
forgot to reverse the text.

>>7073460
Opposite of the light source.

>>7073460
put them where the light doesn't reach

>>7073463
NTA, but I really like the face you drew! Is there a specific artist you studied for the eyes or did you make it up on your own?

A friendly mushroom man

Back again from a 6month break, feels good man

>>7073471
thanks, and actually yes
I studied a lot of the work of artists like Lack, Trylsc and Serin199

>>7073463
left eye is bigger than right eye, hands too msal and different sizes, foot not really drawn in right perspective. tits are compressing weirdly into cloth, too pointy

>>7073025
Less talking more drawing faggot

>>7073483
>left eye is bigger than right eye-ACK

>>7073485
I think your "fix" or whatever you're doing is unironically worse.

>>7073488
Except on Lack's its clear shes closing one eye, it doesnt look like that one yours.

>>7073489
Then ignore it lol

>>7073492
Well, just wanted to put you down some because I felt like you were trying to mog him.

>>7073494
More drawing, less talking faggot

>>7073491
The height of the furthest eye being larger is a stylized feature in anime, as is the side mouth.
As for other things, feel free to make a redline, otherwise I will consider it with just a shit ass crab post

>>7073460
Before trying to solve that question I would first solve your retardation.

Line art isn't done yet, but let me know if you see any glaring flaws.
The golem is supposed to look like a (very) large man with long arms, so his proportions may not be exact, but they should be close.
I've been stuck on his foot (his right), not sure how it should look.

>>7073494
???
How long have you been here bro, anons redraw all the time to help show areas they could improve.

>>7073498
\_(ツ)_/¯

>>7073503
Is the guy meant to be 12 foot tall and twice as wide as a normal man?

>>7073509
???
How long have you been here bro anons shit on bad redraws all the time to make sure the dunning krugers don't get out of line.

>>7073515
Nah dude he's actually supposed to be a midget, you can tell by the fairy sitting on his shoulder.

>>7073516
And the circle of life continues

>>7073515
Don't make fun of his brother André like that, he's trying his best to be a good older brother to his twink sibling

>>7073513
one of the eyes is supposed to be more open than the others like pic rel and you just removed that and I'm still waiting for the other things \_(ツ)_/¯

>>7073522
Problem is this eyelid line, even when the eye is closed the eyelid size still stays the same.

>>7073522
Look at both hands and compare the size of the fists, one is clearly much smaller than the other and the far one is deformed and wonky.Both of them need to be like 75 percent bigger

>>7073525
Then redraw it for him you faggot so we can be a nitpicking cunt towards your drawing instead.

>>7073525
>small hands
do you even anime m8
Small hands are signs of cuteness and femininity
pic rel is from a multi milionary game

>>7073525
>75% bigger
Now I know you can't draw.

>>7073473
I like him :)

>>7073516
Holy fucking shit you're retarded.

>>7073531
fuck off with your shitty gacha goblin
Total weeb death

With and without the ref.
For some reason, the mistakes are more apparent to me when comparing to the drawing from ref instead of the ref itself.

>>7073531
Mostly it's the boobs, I think other than Lack, all the other images are not the greatest. Even if you wanted to be coomer and show the nipple the breast wouldnt go that far inward. Heres what I meant by the eye thing too, basically that upper line will always stay the same regardless of the expression, only the position and shape of the eyelash.

>>7073515
He is supposed to be very large, and she's fairly short as well.

>>7073548
it's the nipple from a saggy tiddy
more precisely me trying to imitate trylsc's style

Sup beg. I would like to point out 2 things:
A) i only posted in this thread 2 times (this post included)
B) dont feed the crabs by trying to defend me, first of all i dont need it and secondly they have paranoia and will accuse you of being me. instead of feeding crabs give (You)s to people who PYW

>>7073542
i wish loomis heads looked like this, thumbs up
>>7073473
i would make bigger contrast, but i still kneel
>>7073460
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n173
>>7073401
there are 99999 of them. bridgman, hampton, hogarth, tomfoxdraw, morpho...
>>7073306
it looks cool as a texture or relief on a wall. but it is really hard to tell what am i looking at. if you want to tell a story via drawing, you have to work with rule
>less is more
aka to not merge everything together into random mass
>>7073097
observation > perspective > figures. do not skip the fundies. start with keys to drawing
>>7073025
i recc PYWing as you draw, not in large batches after a month. You never know if you get valuable feedback. good luck!
>>7073008
value range. it is all same value
>>7072885
i recc xppen deco l, rather cheap, big and precise
>>7072760
i kneel
>>7072754
it all looks awesome except the middle top head: why is it so big? the head isnt in scale of the rest of drawing
>>7072720
i kneel. the lantern is too sharp and symmetrical compared to the rest. trace it with same brush you use in the rest
>>7072380
i will bother with rendering only after my figures stop being so painfully BEG

>>7073559
Problem is that your taste is too stylistically incongruent and you're mixing different mistakes from different artists. For stylized works its best to stick to one guy, and then mixing in other sources (like realism or abstract ) instead. I would just stick to imitating Lack or trylsc's newer works, all the other images (including this older trylsc piece) isnt giving you the best role model to learn from.

>>7073223
Idk but Proko had forearms as a sort of bowling pin and then the wrists were cylinders

Should I just combine them into a bowling pin like shape?

Thread's done apparently.
Who had more SOVL?
Horny Teen me on the left, or near middle aged wage slave with little time to draw on the right?
Just found some old notebooks, even if you didn't ask.
The right stuff took an hour, my latest drawings to date.

study in progress. about 50mins so far. it's kinda sorta accidentally shaping up to look like a cross between dean cornwell and devin korwin, though brushwork is still pretty sloppy.

>>7073567
"Hey Michelle! I think some punk on 4chan drew me"

>>7073567
process

>>7073563
desu I appreciate your posts because you're the only person in these threads who is actually interacting with others. I hope you make it my friend.

Eventually I will learn how to draw a decent 2hu.

Someone asked for the ref I used for a draw a thread or 2 ago and I finally found it

>>7073563
It IS a loomis head, no? I just found that shit in google images.

>>7073570
>>7073567
Great work anon
obama needs to be more baller tho

>>7073596
Forgot file
>>7073570
>>7073567

drawing with a tablet feels really awful. How do i get past that? Just grinding until it feels alright?

>>7073601
if you're using a non-display tablet, yeah it takes some getting used to

>>7073452
>>7073463
>>7073465
thanks for the tips guys i am currently working on a new one and i will post it here when i finish it :)

>>7073610
I think i'll stick to trad for now because it feels like ass.
Certain shapes are way easier to make but my line control suffers greatly.

>>7073587
decided to try realism for once since i figured it'd help with furry stuff and holy fuck the dunning kruger is real

cat day wip. Very fucked.

New thread?

>>7073650
cat day was a few days ago

I've been working on my faces

How's these look? I still take some time to do 3/4 view but I think I'm getting better at it.

>>7073567
Look at his broke ass. No chains nothing. He will never ball.
>>7073597
HOLY FUCK!!

>>7073660
I-i know...

New thread
>>7073698

>>7073664
3/4ths faces look a bit flat, and the Gaston looks a little off-model. The Tansu looks great though.
If you're using references, try measuring out the proportions and the relative positions of everything.

>>7073563
To this day I never learned what value is. Saturation?

>>7074060
Wait fuck I get it now. You are right. It's like the level of opacity.

>>7073566
Top right is pretty cute.

>>7071459
I was wondering if the different objects in the composition(cliffsides, plants, trees, leaves, the figures in the center, etc.) are easy to identify just with the textures I used, or if I do need to add value and keep the linework in order for the forms of each object to be recognizable.

>>7071459
Using the cognitive drawing technique from Jason Brubaker that redline anon recommended. Find it interesting that you get instant feedback and long term memory of the little details, but I'm still finding it hard to get the proportions right. I keep drawing wide and the angle feels off... How many attempts should I give this before trying something else do you think? What other mistakes am I not seeing?

Had to skip drawing today because i was too sleep deprived to do it.
Tomorrow back to the grind hopefully. Good luck with your studies pals.