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Renowned character designer Katsuya Terada returned to San Diego Comic-Con and spoke to a packed room of fans on July 21. Known for his work on Blood: The Last Vampire and Hellboy, the artist reflected on his long four-decade career. During his live digital drawing session, he answered detailed questions on his approach to art and his opinion on evolving technology. Eric Nakamura, co-founder of Giant Robot, and fellow artist and translator Yoskay Yamamoto joined Terada on stage.

He clarified he doesn't believe that technology is inherently bad. “It's how people get to use it. For companies or people who choose to go the AI route to profit off it, there's a give and take.” Terada acknowledges that if the tool is free, the AI's data might not be free, as it might consume copyrighted material. “In those instances, there's a struggle to find the right balance.” Reiterating that the technology itself is not morally wrong, he encouraged the audience to consider it positively. “It really depends on who uses it and how they use it. That's my opinion.”

complete interview:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2023/designer-katsuya-terada-addresses-ai-during-live-drawing-session/.200969


it is unavoidable

>> No.6787211

>>6787202
kill a traitor before an enemy Jim Jam

>> No.6787213

>>6787202
Based balanced opinion

>> No.6787218

He's got the correct take. AI isn't going to impact guys like him but it will eliminate anyone who doesn't want to work hard and draw for the sake of art. AI is opening the door and the shitters will leave.

>> No.6787225

>>6787202
he's right. he's not saying anything new here. we said all along, its the pajeets who trained it on copyright data that are in the wrong.

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>>6787202
>as it might consume copyrighted material
vague, fence sitting opinion are the worst
>maybe kinda sorta in those instances not totally bad, i guess, just my opinion

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6787245

>>6787202
>as it might consume copyrighted material
>might
mfw

>maybe kinda sorta in those instances not totally bad, i guess, just my opinion
vague, fence sitting opinions are the worst

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6787255

>>6787245
join the ai to create the perfect art

>> No.6787256

>>6787245
he's japanese. he's doing tatemae

>> No.6787261

>>6787211
Be patient..lol. this is not the end

>> No.6787262

>he's not training AI with his own drawings

>> No.6787265

I searched for the comicon panel by typing "katsuya terada" on youtube and clicking recently uploaded. the results surprised and aroused me.

>> No.6787269

>>6787202
>“It really depends on who uses it and how they use it. That's my opinion.”
What a terrible sade yet idiotic answer. Anything that can be abused and exploited WILL be, with the most unscrupulous first in line every single time.

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6787278

>>6787202
>“It really depends on who uses it and how they use it."

smartest take for an artist to say, that's why you wont stop me

>> No.6787287

>>6787278
aside from the face lines and color harmony, left is better and would be surpassing right in every way with 3 months of study using the Saito Naoki method.

>> No.6787289

>>6787278
the embodiment of soul vs souless

>> No.6787413
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6787413

>>6787287

>> No.6787418

>>6787278
This single-handedly convinced me that AI can NEVER recreate sovl, even annihilating sovl from where it once was

>> No.6787433

>>6787202
I was planning to accept it but then I saw the Jews behind it and dig deeper to find out the true nature of this fake "AI"

>> No.6787434

>>6787413
Press L3+R3 to accept the truth.

>> No.6787440

>>6787278
Aside from the face and rendering, left is hotter. Here’s why: the hem of her skirt. On left, it flares up behind her like a tutu. You know her ass is perfectly visible back there. Right, the skirt is flopped limply over, obscuring her ass.

>> No.6787476

>>6787202
Why are some big artist so hesitant to against ai. Do they afraid that they would get canceled by the tech people or something? The ai shit blatantly thrives on exploitation of other people work with the aim to completely replace and destroy artist and the value of art.
Are they just ignorant or too blind to see this? It's this kind of haft ass, sit in the middle kind of opinion that let the greedy tech bugmen to continue their exploitation.

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6787481

>>6787434
Take your tablets

>> No.6787530

>>6787476
You can train AI on images provided with consent or images created specifically for that purpose. It doesn't inherently require exploitation.

>> No.6787556

>>6787530
That's exactly what happen, isn't it? Yeah it's fucking not. The very existence and improvement of this slop machine has already been built on billions of images. Where's the compensation for that?
It's already too late trying to be ethical about this as if you can check what every greedy shithead feed their ai. They will just continue to lie and deceive and expect forgiveness exactly how the insane ai bugmen developers think when they release this shit.

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6787559

>>6787476
>the value of art
Define how art is really valued.
Most people do not give a shit about how much effort and hard work you put in; they only care about the result and how pretty the picture is.

Most big artists won't be against AI because it will make their work easier and they're already big, so their fame will carry them anyway no matter what kind of slop they do and consumers will gobble it up because they gotta consume the [artists' brand™].
Art is all for masturbatory purposes in a sense.

The only way to fight AI is to create something AI can never achieve no matter on how many pieces of art it is trained on.
But such a thing will not be valued by the general masses, because something that isn't masturbatory holds no value to the common consumer.

It is inevitable because not even artists really give a shit about upholding principles; they just want likes, followers and money.

>> No.6787576

>>6787481
>Meds
I know you. I saw you post that shit months ago, along with your sob story. AI is a cope for you. If only you just drew.

>> No.6787577

Same with james gurney too, kek
Boomers that are about to die, have the same "I've made it, now you can go fuck yourself" opinions

>> No.6787581

>>6787576
>I saw you post that shit months ago

stop raving

>> No.6787585

>>6787581
>raving
? Maybe show some new work, ai is so helpful yet you've nothing new to show for it.

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>>6787585

>> No.6787609

6787596
no.

>> No.6787635

>>6787559
Artist has always been looked down upon for century as a profession despite how much blood and sweat you need to sacrifice in order to do it.
Art value is generally subjective but at least you can explain the hardship to the people to somewhat increases it's value because most people agree that values are created through effort. That's the baseline.
Values are also created through rarity and some art are priced for exactly that. Everything else is just subjective.

Now here come the ai that will actively shit on both of these. Just look at what it has already done. Mass produce art (no more rarity) without effort (no more hardship). People already find it difficult to put any prices on art. Now with this ai, people will have even more excuses to put a blanket statement on all art that they are effortless and therefore zero value because why pay when everyone can do the same.

These blind and ignorant artists, they don't care because they still can live off with their already establish brand until their death. They don't care what happens to the new generation of artists. The one that will suffer from this unfair treatment of their work that will only be used to feed the ai, the one that will struggle even more because people will think their art are valueless.

The intend for the development of this slop machine will not stop as being a tools, but a complete replacement and the only ones who benefit this the most will always be the greedy grifters, companies, industries that use this to shit out their next product, video game or whatever slop faster.

>> No.6787639

>>6787202
>He clarified he doesn't believe that technology is inherently bad. “It's how people get to use it."
OMG, this guy just invented hot water. Such a feat.

>> No.6787675

>>6787559
Lmfao that faggot went from traced anime slop to ai over painting slop. Weebs sure eat up gatbage that has two tits on it. Btw that just looks like ff7 bitch fanwork too.

>> No.6787735

>>6787635
The only real solution is being hermit anon, that's what I'm doing at least, never share anything ever, live entirely inside your own world if you can, it's the only one that truly matters anyway.
In the end, what's the point of posting shit but to have some ego boosting parasocial interactions?

>> No.6787741

>>6787735
someone drew my character unprompted, it was nice and I cherish that. if I hermited, idk, I'd miss some fun stuff like that.

>> No.6787745

>>6787202
Weirdly I met Terada and he signed some art books and even doodled a nice portrait of me in one. Those artbooks got destroyed because of mold from a leak in my apartment but now I don't feel so bad I just can't respect artists that are supporting AI. I also find it weird he would support it considering he's one of those nonstop sketching guys that seemed to value the process of making things. I felt the same way when James Jean became an NFT shill. It sucks to see so many artists I used to look up to start saying stupid shit for clout from tech bros.

>> No.6787751

>>6787745
>NFT shill
So many artists showed their true colors that year.

I don't know that Terada is supporting it, I listened to the panel and I don't think he actually knows how it works and was more responding to the idea of "AI" in general.

>> No.6787923

>>6787635
Yes, Anon, they don't care.
If you were given the chance to become le famouse artisté manugaka comic book commission professional freelancer and earn money at the press of a button and see all the normies gobbles it up and companies giving you financial opportunities based on the internet clout you got, do you think you wouldn't take it no matter the consequences for other people? Even if that choice will come back and bite you in the ass? Just get until the getting is good, then go get somewhere else and repeat the process but unironically this >>6787735
If you don't post anything on the internet, no one can train anything on your work. If you go trad, even better.
One is not really missing out on anything by not participating in social media trash and if one wants money that badly for drawing, they should just offer porn comms without attaching any ego to the work/profile and without playing the social games.
>>6787675
It's all coomers and kiddies on social media and liking this mediocre garbage, what can you expect.
These artists don't give a shit either, they just want the numbers.
I shouldn't blame them for trying to hustle, but goddamn they've ruined the art landscape for anyone that isn't some unhinged ubernormie.

>> No.6788044

>>6787278
>The left conveys expressiveness, emotion, and actual movement
>The right is passable clipart at best
Stop sabotaging yourself

>> No.6789295

>>6787635
Can we please stop acting like the jobs of artists are so important that we need to sabotage a whole medium? Art could be made cheaper, higher quality, with less work, less time taken, and with good quality, but a bunch of artists want to make it as painful, man-power needing, expensive, and time consuming as possible to keep their job, it's the most perverse reason ever.

Also, this sort of everything will be sloppa le value of art will be le dead because of no hardship or rarity is just pretentious nonsense, nobody is going to watch something like Into the Spiderverse and think about rarity or cost, they're just going to get the enjoyment out of the art itself, and if the art is shit, audiences won't enjoy it(and studios wont want to make it, as shown by how even marvel movies flop).

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>bumps his thread as it was about to get pruned

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>>6789295
>Can WE please stop acting like the jobs of artists are so important
The ones acting like that are the ones who now push ai and want to be seen as artists.
They romanticize the craft so hard that the actual craft becomes secondary to how they are perceived by the masses.

I will always consider drawn visual work as higher quality than ai generated work, because i'm not wowed by the pretty pictures that look just like a real photograph like some soi chugging mongoloid.

>> No.6789340

>>6789295
>Sabotage a whole medium
Like ai did?
How is wanting their work to be properly compensated is
>most perverse reason ever
You acting like artists aren't breaking their back and treated like crap just to be paid like shit in order to make those animation.
Now with ai, they are going to exploit even further by dumping every artist works into a machine with the intention of replacing them with NO COMPENSATION at all.

You think artist are some fucking cattles that they can survive in a fucking vacuum and have no relation to the art they make that you love to consume so much? If you are an actual human being with any capacity of empathy, you would concern about this.

But I know what you are. The "le nothing matter, i want more entertainment, the world can burn as if i care" edgelord like any other cringe 4chin nihilistic shithead.
If you want artist to die, just fucking say it. Don't pretend like care anything about art.

>> No.6789357

>>6787278
Interesting. How did you do it?. Did you put the PNG in a program and the program drawed it better?

>> No.6789376

>>6787202
Cancel him! Burn at stake! Unforgivable. CRUCIFY

>> No.6789379 [DELETED] 

>>6787278
Why do people posting AI shit that looks as generic as possible on this board? Is it on purpose?

>> No.6789433
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6789433

>>6789357
its all RNG

to get this is complete random and can be very time consuming as I sort out the best one out of many that's generated

it was fun when it started but the fad is short lived, its just boring slop after another that gets generated overtime

its been months since the last I used it and I just went back to drawing, its much better

>> No.6789447

>>6789340
What work are you doing that you want to be compensated for, if you are replaced by an AI? Do you just want everyone who uses an AI to give royalties to every single person whose artwork is used in the AI or do you want corpos not to use AI and replace it with workers so artists dont get fired(both are dumb ideas)?

If you want a unique style to be specifically made for your AI or something, pay someone to make it, if you have something really unique that you can offer that an AI can't, you'll get paid for it.

Also, I think what is definitely destructive is forcing people to hire tons of people or learn for years to make art or a movie or whatever just because you want to get paid for work that you aren't needed in.

>> No.6789461

>>6787278
Literally sovl vs sovlless

>> No.6789567

>>6789447
Yes. You don't get to take a billions fucking images and now complain how hard and sad you are to compensate for every single one.
The company that released this slop machine hasn't pay shit. Every single websites, companies and grifters that paywall this slop machine hasn't pay shit.
This is not only about the money, but also about how artists are treated like fucking cattles. The act of freely taking massive amount of artist works for your own gain should not be taken lightly. If this practice are allowed to to be done without restriction or cost, it would be the biggest "fuck you" statement to every artist exists that they deserve no right for them and their work.
This shit is mind boggling and down right inhumane because the very improvement of the slop machine would not even possible without artist works yet every single one of ai retard would rather wish death and replacement for artist then compensate a single cent.

And what do you mean by
>destructive by forcing people to hire artist
Are you seriously feeling bad for the corporation that they are going to lose money by hiring people? Are you seriously going to fucking cry for lazy greedy grifters that they have to work hard and spent money for their slop product?
Yeah that explains alot. Go buy a rope.

>> No.6789651

>>6789567
Unfortunately (for you), the reality of art is that any time you make art and present it to the world you agree to the copyright restrictions of fair use, which is that other people can use your art for free to learn from it and create something derivative and don't have to pay you royalties(provided certain restrictions which AI doesn't break).

This is something EVERY artist in any of these big corporate environments understands, other people and companies will learn from your techniques and strategies and might end up outdoing what you're doing and make more money than you or competing with you eventually, and unless you have huge substantive similarities(aka you're literally copying the original wholesale) you have no case.

If you don't like this and want everyone using your ideas and learning from you to pay royalties, be a hermit like this guy and don't show your art to anyone >>6787735, because this isn't going to upended for your stupid AI scare.

Also, yes, movies being made more cheaply is better because it means you can make more of them, with less investment, less budget, and more people can make movies.

>> No.6789652

>>6789651
>derivative
ugh, meant transformative, I meant the derivative is what's illegal

>> No.6789662

>>6787202
>I already made my fortune
>fuck what happens to others after me
Nice boomer mindset.

>> No.6789692

>>6787202
He's just one fencesitting artist.
>it is unavoidable

Fuck you. We'll see what happens. As of right now nobody knows but he's sure as shit not speaking for me. And I can assure you he's not speaking for the majority of us.

>> No.6789696

>>6789662
That pretty much sums it up.

>> No.6789739

>>6789567
Well said. This guy gets it. Just remember you're talking to a bunch of manipulative nerds here who don't know what they're talking about.
There's a lot of people like us waiting for some sort of solution to this nightmare.
And with pending lawsuits and regulations we might still have a chance to have our work respected once again.
To have a voice once again. Imagine not understanding this. You'd have to be willfully ignorant to argue that this is not a breach of copyright.
It's my fucking work and I should obviously be protected from this kind of blatant usery. I shouldn't need to go to their company and ask them to opt me out of their exploitative tech. I shouldn't have to worry that some nerd is selling a specific model with my work procured in it.
As things are right now it's nothing short of a nightmare. Thanks for letting us know that we're not alone in our thinking. There are still sane artists out there with their head screwed on.

>> No.6789751

No rules just tools

>> No.6789756

>>6789651
>which is that other people can use your art for free to learn from it and create something derivative
Yes. People, not fucking machine. If you are about to spit some nonsense about "its le heckin like human bro" to give it some human right so that you then can abuse it like a slave for your own benefit then you better shut up.

This AI technology is completely different than anything before. The law hasn't caught up with this. If it's possible for whatever the slop machine shits out to not be accepted for copyright, then hopefully the same can be done for whatever bullshit excuses that ai bugmen love to spit out.

Only time will tell. Right now it's the wild west. There will be wins and loses but keep in mind that there will always be people who against the anti-human, empty husk of a human being like you AI bugmen.

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>>6789751
The post that broke /ic/.

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>>6789751
>>6789759
>Trannime samefagging
Not surprising at this point

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6789825

>>6789805
>Point out a fundamental approach to Vilppu that applies to Ai
>M-must be same f-ACK
Cope.

>> No.6789874

>>6789759
>>6789751
>sametranny
everytime

>>6789825
nice 10 hour photoshop edit

>> No.6790625

>>6787202

People are not against ai. They're are against the way these tech companies steal copyrighted data and trying to justify it by saying that ai learned just like a human. These are what most artist are fighting against. Artist will be the first to embrace ai if it was done correctly. Keep fighting.

>> No.6790662

the most ethical version of AI prompt machines would be a lobotomized shit that basically can't do anything

>> No.6790691

>>6790662
Eh, you have every masterpiece from art history, and photos can be sourced ethically, just buy shutterstock(microsoft or someone could). it might fail at anime but it could be good for reference.

>> No.6790955

>>6789756
The whole entire reason why you don't want the rules to be applied to it and you want to carve out this "well it's a robot not a human so totally new rights", is because you don't want it to replace people's jobs. That's the whole reason, it's all post-hoc from there.

>> No.6790957

>>6789567
>This is not only about the money, but also about how artists are treated like fucking cattles. The act of freely taking massive amount of artist works for your own gain should not be taken lightly. If this practice are allowed to to be done without restriction or cost, it would be the biggest "fuck you" statement to every artist exists that they deserve no right for them and their work.
Good. Fuck you.

>> No.6790967

>>6790957
you can try, but you'll need a LOT of lube.

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>>6789567
You know, at this point
>companies don't give a shit about stealing artwork to feed AI
>artists get treated like shit
What is stopping artists from rebelling against this?
Go on a strike, don't post your high effort work for free on social media, paywall everything, raise your prices.

If you have tutorials, take them down.
Make art an actual scarcity and unironically gatekeep the skill and only let in good people who actually draw into the circles.
But to be fair, that would require artists to not be shitty people who only think about how they alone can "make it" while using everyone else as a stepping stone.

Getting AI banned won't solve a single thing.
Big follower count artists with lots of clout should be setting a good example and leading other artists to protect themselves instead of virtue signaling on social media to farm engagement.

Man, if only artists weren't immature, egomaniacal faggots akin to ai grifters but that's somehow too much to ask for.

>> No.6790991

>>6787202
He's basically saying the mainstream artist opinion, what's the revelation here?

>> No.6790992

>>6787278
There's something about the way AI's line art looks that is really hard on the eyes. Is it blurry or something?

It honestly does make the "old shitty drawing" more appealing.

>> No.6790997
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6790997

>>6787202
Highly skilled trad chads don't care because AI isn't a threat to them, simple as.

>> No.6790998

>>6790997
>highly skilled
>literally "RANDOM BULLSHIT, GO!" reddit meme
it's so over for human artists if this is the best you have

>> No.6791020

>>6790998
>be extremely influential for 3 decades
>others ape your shit on reddit
>your art is reddit meme tier
how about no? his skill is undeniable.

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6791022

>>6790988
This post is Exhibit A why artists and AI scaremongers are dangerous and have to be stopped, they would rather burn down the ladder and destroy all art resources than let AI(or anyone, really) compete with them.

Peak "fuck you I got mine" energy from the community that supposedly cares about innovation and education and creativity.

>> No.6791024

>>6791020
>AND THEN.... THEEEEN..... !!!!!..... I WILL ADD THE FISH TO THE HELMET!
>truly creative
holy fuck, you artists are so creative.
He put a FISH on the back of a HELMET!
Funniest shit I've ever seen!

>> No.6791027

>>6790955
more like it's because it makes no sense. why should the generated art not belong to the original artist? imagine simultaneously thinking that AI is great because it allows you to use it on your own art. it elevates you, goy!!! yet when you use it on someone else's art it's still magically somehow yours. what gives? if the machine is just like a human, why doesn't the generated art belong to it instead? and perhaps even more importantly, why are you surprised that people want to keep their jobs? are you retarded or what? yes let's sacrifice people's jobs and an entire industry so you can play with your parasitic trinket of consumption. you have 0 legs to stand on, absolutely none. there are so many arguments against AI "art" and so few against it's not even funny. yet you think that "a CPU is basically a human brain" is one worth having. because this vile shit is so repulsive and parasitic you've got nothing else left to do other than pretending you're a schizo and gaslighting everyone else into thinking your delusion is reality.

>> No.6791028

>>6791024
>>6790998
pyw

>> No.6791031

>>6791027
and so few for it*

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>>6791028
Don't feel like starting up comfyui but I generated this yesterday so here you go

>> No.6791039
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6791039

>>6791024
>truly creative
Why are you pulling words out of your anus?
he's not trying to show you how le creative he is. he's a compulsive doodler, and did it so much he became undeniably good at drawing. we are not talking "ideas", just skill.

>oh hoho a le monkey?! with le stronk?! stupidest chinky shit I seen!

>> No.6791062

>>6791022
>allow me to steal for you, or else you're stifling innovation
lol. tell me AI nigger, were you not warned a year ago that this """AI""" shit will cause your picrel to inevitably happen and therefore it's a bad idea to push it forward? no of course you didn't, because you're a fucking retard who thinks he lives in a world where best case scenarios constantly happen. and then you act surprised when the prediction is true. and more importantly it's not artists who shill for adobe. last i checked it was ai cucks shilling for them to integrate their shitty "AIs" because it's it's the future!!!

>> No.6791063

>>6791034
>crabber is a pajeet
tradchads... i kneel... they really do fear you

>> No.6791067

>>6789751
>>6789759
>>6789825
vilppu of course was talking about using any tool to create art, not to consume art generated off the back of those who do use tools to create art. he even said few months ago that you're not creating with AI or something along those lines. would love if an anon would post the screenshot again

>> No.6791069

>>6791034
he said to post your work, not someone else's machine generated bastardization

>> No.6791073

>>6791024
>and then i will generate uuuh the same soulless overly rendered white girl with big boobs staring at the viewer...but flipped this time!!
every single piece of if media you enjoy is made by an artist. if you plan to shit on every man made piece of art in existence, and believe that somehow machine regurgitated inferior and highly limited versions of the same things are superior because it's made by...LE HECKIN JARVIS..then do consider killing yourself. you're not even making any sense at this point

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>>6791063
>>6791069
>>6791073
>AI is soulless THEFT!
All art is soulless theft, kiddo.

>> No.6791083

>>6791062
>You made me do this, says artist to his wife, reaching for his belt

>> No.6791084

>>6791077
then what are you doing here. why do you care about art and generated images? are you an indian?

>> No.6791089

>>6791084
I came here to observe my competition.

>> No.6791090

>>6791083
maybe the wife shouldn't be a cheating cunt. or maybe an AIcuck would finally start making a competent analogy for once in his life. Adobe is a corporation, not "artists". even Emad the street shitter was aware of the chaos this will cause and called it "interesting times". don't feign ignorance, wifey

>> No.6791094
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>>6787202
Based but at the same time >>6790997
lol i've seen what happens when AI tries to replicate KGJ style trained on almost literally all his released works, it wasn't pretty. I assume i'd be the same with Terada, however he's not wrong people mad at him for "fence sitting" just don't get it.

>> No.6791095

>>6791089
you're not competing with anyone here but that's besides the point. you didn't answer my other question. why do you care about art?

>> No.6791099
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>>6791095
Because I like looking at art.
However I'm not delusional enough to claim that art is something truly original and magical that machines can never replicate lol.

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>>6791089
I'll compete then

may the best gaming rig win

>> No.6791124

>>6791077
>All art is soulless theft, kiddo.
Why is it soulless theft when a human is inspired? that's quite soulful, an artwork spoke directly to a persons soul. Which artwork speaks to which person is going to be different based on that persons upbringing, life situation, emotional state and so on.

>> No.6791126
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>>6791022
>Peak "fuck you I got mine" energy from the community that supposedly cares about innovation and education and creativity.
Supposedly as to farm engagement from insecure artists and virtue signal to the max.

Or did you mean that specific post as an example? Because reacting like that would be the only reasonable thing to do and there is no "competition" in the arts.
The only thing competing against artists is AI.
You don't need tutorials and all that shit to learn to draw. You draw and you figure shit out as you go.
Also
>artists are treated like shit
>but they can't complain or go against this because they just shouldn't
I mean, artists ain't no saints and add unto all the problems this shitty community has, but give me one good reason as to why someone should put effort into his works only to get it stolen by some fag.
It's like trying to coerce people into working for free or else they're bigots.
The lgbttranny shit already makes no sense, this doesn't either.

>> No.6791127

>>6791124
Art is still extremely derrivative. All art is based on art that came before it. So it's no different from AI art.
As for inspiration, AI art is still prompted by a human who is inspired to create something. It's just that the creation is done by a machine. The inspiration for the creation is still very much human.
I think AI art and human art are both valuable, but it is an extreme cope to say that AI art will never reach human art levels.

>> No.6791128

>>6791099
machine cannot learn art without human art retard. because it doesn't learn like a human. and how come you enjoy it of you called it all "soulless". what kind of a schizo freak are you?

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>>6791027
>Why should the generated art not belong to the original artist? Yet when you use it on someone else's art it's still magically somehow yours. What gives?

Because that's not how learning from other artists works or has ever worked? It's actually completely consistent with how art has worked forever. Does Disney get to own all the non-Disney artwork its ex employees make because they learned from Disney? Does Marvel get to sue you if it percieves that you might have learned from them? Does Junji Ito get to sue the World of Horror dev, or Disney the Cuphead dev because it's in their style(and therefore by default learning from them)?

You ARE allowed to learn from other artists to create a transformative (or even in the same style) work without them suing you, this is something that's intuitively understood by every artist, person and by the whole of /ic/ until this AI brainrot debacle started, and almost every artist will tell you they learned from other artists and you should too.

>Inb4 the eternal forfeit and cop out of "it's an ai so nothing counts just two more weeks until ai specific laws"

>> No.6791133

>>6791128
>machine cannot learn art without human art retard.
Can you learn to draw big titty anime women without anime art being widely available for you to study?

>> No.6791134

>>6791131
you're not learning or making anything. you're a dumbfuck who has to wait for software updates to shit out "better" images.

>> No.6791137

>>6791133
nta but i never studied and draw big anime titty from imagination
actually, i only draw from imagination

>> No.6791140

>>6791133
how do you think big titty anime girls game into existence, retard? i can go to a nudist beach and do that. can a computer do that? does it even know what a "tit" is without some hack handler who tries to use it as a proxy for theft and then say "hey look! the AI did it"

>> No.6791142

>>6791137
The fact you know what anime looks like means you have seen anime art, which means you can reproduce it to some extent.
That's exactly how diffusion models work.

>> No.6791143

>>6791140
Post your work then, senpai.
I'd love to see your human art.

>> No.6791144

>>6791131
what does learning technique have to do with using a machine to replicate someone else's art?

>> No.6791148

>>6791143
oh I'm not an artist, but i am an art consumer who's hobby is getting downgraded. I'm here to remind AI cucks to know their place, that they're ruining the internet, and to not make any false impressions that everyone else likes to smell your thinking shit. reminder that you're not competing with anyone as anyone can generate this crap you like to spam without a hint of self awareness

>> No.6791150

>>6791142
No it don't but the fact is that i'm a real boy, AI isn't.
Such a computer program works on having images tagged with descriptions, the user makes the inputs, the program looks for tags, applies filters and warps images with a given seed taken from a a library of seeds available to it and following its directive, until an output is reached.
It isn't even aware of what it is doing, reproducing or replicating, it is simply following orders and what it is programmed to do.
It isn't even able to generate real random outcomes, because it can't absorb new information in the moment since it's just a program.

If AI was programmed with anime being tagged as real, it wouldn't know the difference.

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>>6791099
>Because I like looking at art.
>However I'm not delusional enough to claim that art is something truly original and magical that machines can never replicate lol.
promtertranny i'm going to slowly but surely dismantle your bullshit.
>b b but why do you care about people losing there jobs?
if the vast majority of the human population is out of work and therefore recieve no wages who's going to pay for the commodities these grifting bugman companies produce and how is the goverment going to rake in tax revenue?
this is even worse with AI "art" since it by it's very nature devalues the entire art market by oversutrating it with cheaply generated shit just look at the pic related everybody literally EVERYBODY can prompt a piece there is no skill barrier or talent required to making a nice piece of art therefore high quality becomes the standard and essentially worthless since there is nothing exeptional to look at or talent to aspire to "when everybody is le ebin master artist nobody is''.
want a though experiment to understand this? do you like eating cake? why? because it's rare and hard to make it's only consumed on rare occasions if you eat cake everyday you would get either sick of it or it would become the norm and there would be nothing special about it.
there is also another issue since there is no skill ceiling and anybody can prompt there is no reason to sell AI slop to anybody because you can do it yourself for free.

>> No.6791155

>>6791127
You don't think humans have enough innate differences to algorithms, to be valued differently? is a sweater knitted by your grandmother not worth more to you than a machine made even more "beautiful" sweater?

>> No.6791160

>>6791140
What if I put a ton of pictures from a nudist beach into an ai and it ended up making more nude girls and occasionally an anime art? Because this is literally how the ai learned

>> No.6791168

>>6791148
>anyone can generate this crap you like to spam without a hint of self awareness
Yes.
That's the point of AI art. It does the work for you so you don't actually have to spend years learning how to draw.
People on here (and other art places) seem to confuse the art for the technique.
Technique and "process" have become such a big part of art that people can't even seperate them anymore.
You now have a tool that can generate art of whatever you want with natural language prompts, and you screech like someone just stabbed you with a rusty fork because all the time you spent learning how to hold a pencil is now wasted.
Instead, look at it in a different way: your life just got infinitely easier. You can train an AI on your own art and have it churn out thousands of pieces a day.
And the way that diffusion models work, you'll never get the same picture twice. Practically infinite art.
But this is a bad thing somehow because it makes you feel like you wasted your time...

>> No.6791170

>>6791142
>That's exactly how diffusion models work.
>AI
>thinking like humans
why do you think image generators have so much trouble with hands? it's is because they recognize and understand the patters to make a hand but don't actually know what a "hand" is or what it's used for.
e. The AI knows the appearances associated with these people, but not what they are or any context surrounding it it's just a supercharged pattern recognition bot it's handlers feed it billions of pieces of data scraped from the internet which they then looks at noootices all the patterns within and generates a response.
this is why it's also soulless it doesn't know what it's actually making possesses no intent or creativity it just mindlessly copies and slams together.

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>>6791168
>But this is a bad thing somehow because it makes you feel like you wasted your time...
No, it is annoying that you fags invade artist spaces and want to be considered real artists and feel entitled to money and job opportunities while sabotaging other artists by stealing their works with a machine.
You posses no skill nor do you make an effort, you have a car and demand to compete in foot races while calling everyone who doesn't accept you as a transathlete a bigot.

I mean, it would be fine if you went to compete with other car owners.
>but muh infinite content
Content is nice because it is finite.
If i could shit out infinite images, what's would be the point of doing it in the first place?

>> No.6791181

>>6791168
>You can train an AI on your own art and have it churn out thousands of pieces a day.
>And the way that diffusion models work, you'll never get the same picture twice. Practically infinite art.
>But this is a bad thing somehow because it makes you feel like you wasted your time...
>the bugman takes his mask off
this is the reason why your so despised you don't understand why people actually create art it is a form of self expression the design process is just as important as the end result seeing your skills improve and learning how to put different techniques together into a cohesive whole is one of the long term pleasures like building a family or completing a hard piece of work having a bot do this all for you ruins the entire intent and makes all the effort worthless since you did nothing did not improve and did not develop your own unique style.

>> No.6791184

>>6791160
>occasionally an anime art
how?

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>>6791181
My boy, you just confirmed everything I said about people not being able to seperate art from the process.

>> No.6791191

>>6791188
>not being able to seperate art from the process.
why would you? what do you gain from that? artists put themselves into the work, you are gazing at a part of them. looking at someones work communicates something about the artist.

>> No.6791194

>>6791188
Yeah, but another AI can just make a copy of that, so what am i supposed to find valuable about this?

Can AI downgrade this piece? Can it make a lower quality artistic rendition of this on purpose? Can it abstract?

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>>6791191
>looking at someones work communicates something about the artist.
Only to the artist himself.
Any outside observer will just see either a good piece of art or a bad piece of art.
Unless you explicitly tell people the story of how a piece of art got made, no one will be able to see it just from the piece itself.

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>>6791188
>not being able to seperate art from the process.
because there intrinsically linked and the reason 99 percent of people learn how to make art if you don't like doing it you would be a consumer not an artist.
let me expose your mentality further.
>>6791168
>That's the point of AI art. It does the work for you
AItrannie doesn't seem to understand this and such he assumes that the process of creating is some type of chore not realizing that the process is what gives the end result it's value the intent skill and hard work that went to it makes people proud of there work is fun to make and is what is impressive to the consumer having a bot farm shit out an endless tsunami of slop devalues it reducing it to a mindless commodity like fast food junk.

>> No.6791203

>>6791200
You can still make art. No one is stopping you from not using AI.
Even in the future when only AI art will be used comercially, no one is stopping humans from creating art.
If you love the process, keep doing it.

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>>6791196
>Unless you explicitly tell people the story of how a piece of art got made, no one will be able to see it just from the piece itself.
you never had a chance anon

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>>6791203
>You can still make art. No one is stopping you from not using AI.
>Even in the future when only AI art will be used comercially, no one is stopping humans from creating art.
>If you love the process, keep doing it.
your getting slightly closer to the truth however there is a crucial aspect your missing prompter kun you see pic related you notice the sheer amount of lazy shovelware drowning out genuine content?
>>6791152
AI is the perfect example of big techs hubris they managed to create an incredibly intrusive and dangerous technology released it to the public without any regard to the market consequences and then are left scrambling offering us Faustian solutions like CP2A to combat the abominations they have created it just screams of malicious intent.
or greed fuelled short sited myopia that blinds these AI research companies, to the implications of a magic "make this an image/video/song" button being easily accessible to everyone.
on a sidenote AI generated art isn't copyrightable which is the reason I assume companies are slow to adopt the grift.

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>>6791196
>Any outside observer will just see either a good piece of art or a bad piece of art.
And that's how you filter yourself out.

Why do you even try to argue for it when you don't even know what you're arguing against?

You like the pretty pictures? Good for you, i guess?
I find art related to be infinitely more valuable than anything ai does.

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>>6791196
the message doesn't strictly have to be "something", just feelings, connections, even bad art communicates something about the artist, knowing exactly how it was made is not so important than the fact it was made, by a person. you can use AI to communicate like this too, but due to the nature of it, there is a disconnect, it's akin to being served a tv dinner at a restaurant, maybe plated by a chef exquisitely, it's a lie, you might admire the chef, but you are admiring a lie. you are taking the blue pill.

>food analogy since i think you're American

>> No.6791221

>>6791211
>you notice the sheer amount of lazy shovelware drowning out genuine content?
This has been a problem for years lmao you can't blame this one on AI art.
While AI will make the problem worse, it's already been so bad the last few years that it doesn't really matter.
The art market has been oversaturated for a long time. Adding AI to that market will completely ruin it and I think that's a good thing.
Art should become something you do as a hobby, not as a job.
Remember when truck drivers were afraid of losing their jobs to self-driving trucks? Remember how "creatives" collectively laughed at them and told them to get a less-replaceable job?
Remember the "just learn to code lol" argument that primarily creatives gave.
How about you all learn to code now LOL.

>> No.6791222

>>6791200
Holy fucking shit (pic rel), whole generation is so retarded, why tf would anyone pay for porn? Ahahahaha, Le west.

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>>6791194
>so what am i supposed to find valuable about this
Do you just not get any value out of looking at an artwork at all or something? Like, do you never see things like beauty or meaning or entertainment or understanding or whatever, is it literally just "this artwork is great because it's rare and made by a human"?

This is like an actual alien's idea of art, there is value in the thing you actually see inside the frame, it's not just the frame and the artist

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>>6791223
I am now wowed by the pretty picture, no, if technique is perfect, it becomes boring.
It's like opening a pretty gift box, with ribbons and sparkly ornaments, you get excited as to what it could be inside, you open it, yet it is empty.
A pretty picture alone is shallow, it's Kitsch; mediocrity for mediocre people.
>This is like an actual alien's idea of art
ok racist

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>>6791223
Exactly what I meant when I said that people can't seperate art from the process.

>> No.6791233

>>6791200
>AItrannie doesn't seem to understand this and such he assumes that the process of creating is some type of chore not realizing that the process is what gives the end result it's value the intent skill and hard work that went to it makes people proud

right to the point, I just ignore them since they don't have self respect nor even bother to find any value in their life, they'll just be forever treated like cattle, easily deceived and shepherd in to be milked with every penny they have

and A.I. is just the latest short lived fad to exploit them

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>>6791223
>>6791231
This is your target audience with pictures like that.

>> No.6791236

>>6791229
>if technique is perfect, it becomes boring.
But I thought you guys said that AI art sucks and is full of imperfections?

>> No.6791237

>>6791221
>This has been a problem for years lmao you can't blame this one on AI art.
>doesn't get the point
ok allow me to explain it to you slowly prompter kun even the most shameless hack grifter human can only produce a limited amount of shovelware as he had other needs to consider being a living being and all now with AI this has become a 100% worse you can set up an autoGTP bot farm and roll spam off a factory production line by the literal thousands a day to flood writing forums contests ect.. this will also happen to to art and any other form of entertainment medium in the near future.
>>6791221
>it's already been so bad the last few years that it doesn't really matter.
>The art market has been oversaturated for a long time. Adding AI to that market will completely ruin it and I think that's a good thing.
>yeah sure my patient is sick with disease (grifters and frauds) you know what would solve the problem? allowing it the spread to his entire body!
also I hate every single one of these faggoty copycat hacks for shitting up art before AI came to wreck the market anon that's why I dread it becoming even worse by having The the vast majority of entertainment turn into the same slop factory as hollywood or the app market a cynical milking machine controlled by a committee of robotic bugmen using spreadsheets.
no creativity no autoritarial freedom just algoritms and number cruncing.

>> No.6791241

>>6791237
>no creativity no autoritarial freedom just algoritms and number cruncing.
I get that, but art AIs are already a thing.
They exist and there's no way to take them back now.
If we don't make art generators widely accessible, only companies will have access to them.
Imagine a world where only disney and google have access to the most powerful AI. That's a dystopian future I don't want to live in.
The only way to avoid these futures is by making AI as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.

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>>6791236
If you want to be semantic about it;
Perfection itself is an imperfection.

>> No.6791249

>>6791242
This is like when proko made a high quality oil artwork and ic called it soulless and then when he made something goofy they called him a hack fraud and wanted the REAL quality

There's no pleasing someone as ultra subjective as you

>> No.6791250 [DELETED] 

>>6791249
>/ic/ is one person, in particular this poster right here!
you are dribbling, wipe your mouth.

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>>6791241
>I get that, but art AIs are already a thing.
>They exist and there's no way to take them back now.
yes it is anon sadly greed usually triumphs well we can hope some effective protective tool like a supercharged version of glaze comes around or the legislation sledge of the government starts hammering cowboys in the wild west that is big tech.
>>6791241
>If we don't make art generators widely accessible, only companies will have access to them.
>Imagine a world where only disney and google have access to the most powerful AI. That's a dystopian future I don't want to live in.
>The only way to avoid these futures is by making AI as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.
big problem with that anon this technology will 100% be proprietary and controlled by big tech why? 2 reasons costs and safety without safety rails pre installed into the software ChatGTP will tell you how to make meth build bombs and kill people and imagine generators will generate loli vore scat porn for ya which you can imagine not many companies want to be associated with.
about costs these things are almost as energy intensive as crypto to train and maintain(if you want a good model) it's going to be in the hands of big biz with all the clauses that comes with.
a third reason is also simple responsibility people are too retarded and irresponsible to use tech like this rationally I mean fuck disinformation and plagarism already spreads like wildfire imagine all the chaos that can be caused.
>>6791236
>But I thought you guys said that AI art sucks and is full of imperfections?
it is but in the most robotic artificial way possible that's why it's (currently) easy to detect AI faggotry they make simple mistakes that no human would ever make like drawing 6 fucking fingers and no sakimimeme doesn't count.

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>>6791249
>There's no pleasing someone as ultra subjective as you
>whole internet is just one person
I honestly like his kangaroo

>> No.6791263

>>6791253
>ChatGTP will tell you how to make meth build bombs and kill people
our local supermarket put a "recipe generator" on their website, put in the ingredients of your fridge and get a recipe!
someone typed water, ammonia and bleach and it generated “Aromatic Water Mix,” the “perfect non-alcoholic beverage to quench your thirst and refresh your senses.”
https://gizmodo.com/paknsave-ai-savey-recipe-bot-chlorine-gas-1850725057

>> No.6791267

>>6791223
>Do you just not get any value out of looking at an artwork at all or something?
Are you a coomer? this is usually the exact same mindset that blights most porn addicts they only care about consuuuuming the pretty big booba anime grill trust me I used to be one myself this is a soulless and incredibly demoralizing way to live since you reduce everything down to a material commodity.

>> No.6791272

>>6791267
>reduce everything down to a material commodity.
exactly
these people are what no faith in God does to a mfer

>> No.6791274
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>>6791267
The fuck is your problem?

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>>6791267
This is what they don't get.
Either art looks pretty or it looks bad.
There is no other inbetween and no other purpose, except shallow emotions like sadness or horny.

Like, i jerk off to big booba but i don't give a shit about it once i nut.

>> No.6791283

>>6791263
Wow guy on Twitter baits a chatbot into combining ingredients into a recipe he specified!
Man journalism outrage is such a fucking joke

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>AI can only make soulless coomer art
heh

>> No.6791285

>>6791274
>The fuck is your problem?
anon... did you ignore the entire thread?
>>6791277
>Like, i jerk off to big booba but i don't give a shit about it once i nut.
This what's the point of just consuuuming and having everything done for you? just like mdonalds there is no long term pleasure nothing to achieve and nothing to aspire to.
this is why drawing my own coom makes me much harder since i actually had to do hard work to achieve the wank it's a reward.

>> No.6791286

>>6791283
that's not the point. the point was a supermarket thought to add this to their website despite no safety measures.

>> No.6791287

>>6791284
jokes on you, giant soulless robots are my fetish and this is going right to my spank bank.

>> No.6791289

>>6791286
>that's not the point. the point was a supermarket thought to add this to their website despite no safety measures.
Chat bot's are actually absurdly easy to jailbreak every time open AI tries to patch chatGTP people find another DAN prompt to make it shizo agian which is another reason they will never replace humans there too suggestable.

>> No.6791291

>>6791286
Are you a toddler that thinks this is actually dangerous? If I tell it I want to mix nails, flour and semen into a recipe and it comes up with a recipe mixing exactly that, who gives a fuck?

>> No.6791292

>>6791289
yes. which is why
>>6791253
>this technology will 100% be proprietary and controlled by big tech

>> No.6791300

>>6791291
it was a side note of a recent event, not the main thrust of an argument against AI. it was about how big tech will control it lest bad actors use AI to try to make real harmful bio weapons the likes of which we've never seen. one researcher into such things said it already knows more than it should.

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>>6791284
>AI can only make soulless coomer art
I used one of the prompt generators to make some big booba anime coomer pics and after 5 minutes of banal amusement while getting hot and bothered I instantly lost interest it really does suck the life and soul out of even coom art fucking hell.

>> No.6791306
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>>6791301
Have you tried making non-coomer art with it?

>> No.6791309

>>6791306
>Have you tried making non-coomer art with it?
read my post anon
>>6791301
>it really does suck the life and soul out of even coom art fucking hell.
if even bottom of the barrel coomer art loses it's amusement which I as a man am hardwired to enjoy that quickly what about landscapes and the like? well there is a small silver lining i suppose you could use it as a nice toy if your lazy and want to need to wank asap kinda like fast food now that i think about it.

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>>6791309
That's rough buddy. Hope you feel better soon.

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>>6791314
>That's rough buddy. Hope you feel better soon.
thanks prompter kun (your remain a faggot though) still there is some utility to be found here you could use these generators as a nice testbed to grind rendering techniques and anatomy sadly most people won't ever see them that way due to greed and coomlust it could have been a useful tool (sigh)

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>>6791323
>as a nice testbed to grind rendering techniques and anatomy sadly most people won't ever see them that way due to greed and coomlust it could have been a useful tool
I take that back by god wtf look at the monstrosity it generated now it almost reminds me of those degenerate twisted body fetish artist.

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>>6791267
This is such an extremely common view of artwork that I would bet most people have at least one artwork, poster, or frame in their house that they don't know the artist of, don't know the backstory of its creation, and don't even care, and I don't think most people who see the Mona Lisa know anything beyond "Michaelangelo made it".

Like, genuinely, I think the idea that there's all these ultra art connoisseurs everywhere in the world that need to know all the lore behind the artwork to get anything out of it is just not on planet earth, it's just you being pretentious.

>> No.6791331

>>6791329
Sistine*, not Mona Lisa, wires crossed

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>>6791277
>ai is the future
>you're not going to need to draw anymore
>still need to correct all the anatomical abominations to at least make them look human
>but muh rendering
renderfags are just like graphicsfags holy shit

>> No.6791339

>>6791329
>Like, genuinely, I think the idea that there's all these ultra art connoisseurs everywhere in the world that need to know all the lore behind the artwork to get anything out of it is just not on planet earth, it's just you being pretentious.
why do you think people get so anal about getting original art from the artist especially masters like picasso and michaelangelo? it's not even limited to art alone but all media and products people get insanely buthurt when they cannot get the next apple iPhone even though there are chink copy cat clones of a similar or slightly worse quality that look exactly the same branding matters and people who are invested in a medium really do care about authenticity anon.
>>6791335
>renderfags are just like graphicsfags holy shit
it's funny when you think about all the rendermonkeys will be either driven into the prompter slave pits or be forced to correct every single mistake that comes from the mass produced bot generator farms it's an almost poetic punishment for there lack of creativity.

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>>6791335
>AI has officially stopped developing
lmao it's always the same argument.
2 years ago we couldn't generate anything.
1 year ago we could generate deformed trash that didn't really look like anything
8 months ago we could generate somewhat coherent stuff but it still looked deformed and weird
now we can generate art that can be mistaken for human art
But that's it. AI just stopped developing right now. No future! We don't have any reason to believe AI might get better in the future.

>> No.6791350

>>6791345
>now we can generate art that can be mistaken for human art
>But that's it. AI just stopped developing right now. No future! We don't have any reason to believe AI might get better in the future.
where will it develop next? it already produces art on the same level of masters there is essentially nothing more to add to the tech to make it better other than smooth out operating costs and find new ways to plagiarize art styles it's essentially dead end tech.
also why would you even want it to become better knowing full well it will fuck you in the ass severely later down the line?

>> No.6791352

>>6791350
>where will it develop next?
Animation.
Movies.
3D art.
We're already starting to see some progress in terms of short clips. But there's still lots of developing to do before we can create our own anime from prompts.

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>>6791339
i mean that's what they get from trying to impress the layman
lmao
>>6791345
>implying
>hurr durr is gon get better
Anon, you speak as if you have a horse in the race
I don't really give a shit about what ai can and cannot do
I just saw this shit and had an inspiration to do and post what i did
That you fags find this shit even remotely acceptable speaks for itself

Even then, why would i accept something that makes such mistakes that i still have to go in and change it up?
Or do i press the rng button like a monkey strapped in a chair until i get the content i desire
Good god, that is an awful way of creating.

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>>6791350
>it already produces art on the same level of masters

Superficially. If you got an artists eye it still makes a ton of errors and it STILL can't get hand and feet right.

>it's essentially dead end tech.
Cope see >>6791352

>also why would you even want it to become better knowing full well it will fuck you in the ass severely later down the line?

NTA but I work in a profession that will never be able to automated with AI unless cheap humanlike robotics become a thing which won't happen in our lifetimes.

So yeah not my problem. I only benefit from this since I'll be able to create high quality media for free lol.

I sure hope AI will be able to fully automate ALL media creation since I will be able to tailor-make content exactly to my liking.

From Games to movies to music.

>> No.6791363
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imagine being a prompter
>get high-end computer to run and train image generator
>insert prompts
>generate pictures
>"wow, i feel like an artist can't wait to post this on reddit and get mad upvotes fr no cap"
>generate generic fetish picture of woman standing in a generic generated background based on the keywords you put in
>"WOW i am so creative! This looks just like a photograph! Man, if people didn't know AI existed i could be a famous artist!"
>generate generic landscape based on keywords you've put in
>"OK WOW! This is so beautiful! Look at that render! Wow!"
>artists don't give a shit about this
>keep spamming art communities with this kitsch
>"OMG WHY DO THEY NOT LIKE MEEEEE!? THEY MUST BE JEALOUS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE SUCH PRETTY PICTURES!!!!"
Bro, it's like pornfags when you tell them that porn isn't art.

>> No.6791366

>>6791354
>i mean that's what they get from trying to impress the layman
>lmao
sometimes i wonder what sakimimeme and most pinup coom merchants are thinking i genuinely do they essentially produce the exact same slop prompters do without any of the superficial commercial benefits it's really over for other than branding and on occasion artstyle they got nada nothing going for them.
>>6791352
>to do before we can create our own anime from prompts.
would defeat the entire point since nothing would be special anymore the thing that makes exceptional shows so good to watch is rarity for every kino there are a thousand slops let me give you a comparison cake if you could cake every day you would get sick of it the same with media if you get fed what you want every day it becomes the norm and loses it's flare that's why instant gratification is so shallow and hard work so rewarding.
see anons post here too he makes some good points as well.
>>6791354
>>6791360
>that will never be able to automated with AI unless cheap humanlike robotics become a thing which won't happen in our lifetimes.
for once i agree with you robotics are lightyears behind AI i work in a factory as a repair man we experience breakdowns 2 to 3 times a day that shut down entire production lines fuck these bots.
>>6791360
>I sure hope AI will be able to fully automate ALL media creation since I will be able to tailor-make content exactly to my liking.
>From Games to movies to music.
shallow instant gratification vs hard work and rarity see my post replying to the other promterfag.

>> No.6791369

>>6791345
what model? that looks so good

>> No.6791371

>>6791363
>Bro, it's like pornfags when you tell them that porn isn't art.
some porn can have soul and actually tell a good story rare but true it's the reason i read doujins in the first place finding a S tier story with good art to boot is like finding a gem in a stack of shit.

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>>6791363
Meanwhile back to reality >>6787559

>>6791366
>shallow instant gratification vs hard work and rarity see my post replying to the other promterfag.
What makes you think I care about that shit when I come home from work? I just wanna relax and consoom. AI will only supply exactly what I want without having to hope some faggot will produce it for me.

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>>6791373
>I just wanna relax and consoom.
the coomiod reveals himself anon do you not understand the absolute hell faggots like ourself are inflicting on society as a whole? not only do you devalue art by reducing it to a sterile commodity sucking all meaning from it but are also making people more stupid I can link all the studies showing how tick tock gacha and instant gratification literally make people more stupid and burn our there pleasure receptors it's absolutely cancerous and asinine to structure your society like that.

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>>6791373
BASED
>mfw anon just dismantled the future of the art industry in 1 monke post

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>>6791373
There goes gravity
>>6791371
>trying to read hentai for the story
what the actual fuck
>>6791366
>i wonder what sakimeme and coom merchants are thinking
They're grifters, they will be the first ones to use AI.
And fags will gobble it up because they gotta coomsume.
Reminder that they do not give a single shit, so you're not forced to give a shit about them either.
Let em gobble up the goyslop until they build resistance to the novel thing and crave shit they will have to pay lots of money for.

>> No.6791386

>>6791373
you mean this reality?
https://graphtreon.com/creator/aztodio

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holy fuck look at that dip

>> No.6791390

>>6791381
>what the actual fuck
There was a point where I was so consumed with coomlust that nothing got me off anymore so in desperation just started skimming through pages which led to me reading the stories and i actually started enjoying them more than the by now hallow spanking it really helped with combat the addiction.
>>6791381
>They're grifters, they will be the first ones to use AI.
ah yeah i did not even consider them just using there own art to train a model to set up a bot that posts "original" pieces on a shedule this tech has really opened up a golden age for the fraud hacks of the world they can now rake in shekels without even having to photobash.
>Let em gobble up the goyslop until they build resistance to the novel thing and crave shit they will have to pay lots of money for.
I'm sure the desire for unique ness will come eventually once the slop machine takes over even coomers like myself occasionally desire authenticity and keep in mind these things are trained using our art without it there nothing.

>> No.6791391

>>6791387
He's still making $3000+ a month proompting

>> No.6791392

>>6791363
Bro don't even pretend like you wouldn't swap places with coomette in a heartbeat, guy makes probably 2-3x your yearly salary as a McDonald's employee with less work and you're coping and saying "oh man I have too much dignity", it's just virtue signaling and sour grapes

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>>6787278
Literally ALL the soul was removed what the fuck.

>> No.6791394

>>6791391
>He's still making $3000+ a month proompting
wait this guy sells prompted art and there people stupid enough to buy it instead of doing it on there own?

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>>6791390
What you want to do is lay off coom for a few days. Unironically start lifting or something.
>I'm sure the desire for unique ness will come eventually
Eventually yes. It's like drug addicts building resistance to the drugs of their choices and then seeking new shit.
>>6791391
Not my problem.
>>6791392
Bro, i wouldn't wish to be anyone else.
>but muh almighty money
I'm fucking immortal my guy.

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>>6791398
>What you want to do is lay off coom for a few days. Unironically start lifting or something.
I do anon my started two years ago my legs are like fucking mahogany pillars now.
>>6791398
>Eventually yes. It's like drug addicts building resistance to the drugs of their choices and then seeking new shit.
Consumiod mentality has been a disaster for the human race by god just reading the responses from the promptertrannies you get the impression they just want to have a spike hammered in there skulls that pumps in dopamine like lab rats or something how the fuck could you live a life that shallow?

>> No.6791411

>>6791393
Cute! Does she have an onlyfans?

>> No.6791413

>>6791393
Does anyone else notice that her right eye (our left) encroaches into the area that belongs to the nose? I hate this shit. It’s like an alien disguised as a human.

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>>6791405
>I do anon my started two years ago my legs are like fucking mahogany pillars now.
nice
>Consumiod mentality has been a disaster for the human race by god just reading the responses from the promptertrannies you get the impression they just want to have a spike hammered in there skulls that pumps in dopamine like lab rats or something how the fuck could you live a life that shallow?
That is most probably their ultimate fantasy. These creatures are a detriment to society and a danger to intelligent life.
Imagine going through your live seeking to just lay down like cattle and getting milked out of cum and blood, fed through tubes and kept alive only to chase dragons.
Absolutely revolting.
I have an issue with that because they want to force it on everyone else as well.
I mean, you want to live in the pod, eat the bugs, and live in virtual reality while having a onahole attached to your dick? Go do that but miss me with that gay shit
But nooo, we have to validate them, too, because miserable niggers can't go die alone.

>> No.6791424
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>muh copyright
>*proceeds to pirate drawing videos, software, trace, copy an art style and draw fan art instead his own characters*

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>everyone lives a shallow life except us artists
lmao the only reason you make art is for attention, and now that anyone can make art with the click of a button you have absolutely nothing left that makes you "special"

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>>6791424
>blaming everyone for the actions of a minority
>>6791428
>stealing my posts
Get your own original posts, nigger.

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>>6791345
>2 years ago we couldn't generate anything
publicly, sure.
(I agree it will get better, it's just funny the ignorance that leads to this type of comment)

>> No.6791445

>>6791444
*and in-case you are confused, like several others who saw this image, the left looks better and it's satire.

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>>6791444
>completely different technology
Diffusion models are relatively new, senpai!

>> No.6791453

>>6791428
>and now that anyone can make art with the click of a button you have absolutely nothing left that makes you "special"
>imagine sitting for hours on end clicking on a button to get the right generation for your coom pic while you can draw it yourself exactly how you want it and revel at your own creativity and skill
lmao

>> No.6791455

>>6791447
goal posts go skreeeeeeee

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>>6791453
I would actually say that there's more fun to be had in the random nature of it than regular art.

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>>6789447
>Do you just want everyone who uses an AI to give royalties to every single person whose artwork is used in the AI or do you want corpos not to use AI and replace it with workers so artists dont get fired(both are dumb ideas)?
The latter is how humanity is designed to stay in harmony, the more you devalue humanity the more doomed the species will become
You come from a evil dictatorship nation like North Korea or some shit and do not value individualism, but cattle mentality with a king that rules. America is not this place and never should ever be otherwise it was a completely waste of time for the colonists to leave their past shithole to form a new, better land. Leave that cancerous antichrist shit out of this nation.

If Ai was really the tool it was it should NOT have more rights over humans to replace humans. Unless the people want AI to do the hard labor, which art itself isn't, it's the time crutches forced onto them to produce a shitty episode full of wokeness mandated by the evil execs, that's eating away time and energy on talented people with passion and ambition, then AI should not be used to replace people. Humanity comes first. We are the ultimate lifeform on this place, nothing we make comes after us but our own offspring.

>> No.6791459

>>6791447
>Diffusion models were introduced in 2015
I don't mean much by this but I thought I should check.

>> No.6791460

>>6791457
how long have you been doing AI art?

>> No.6791464
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>>6791460
Relatively new.
Maybe a week or 2.

>> No.6791466

>>6791457
>I would actually say that there's more fun to be had in the random nature of it than regular art.
>gambling gacha shit as well
do you actually draw genuine question? if so pyw actually not some fake and I'll redline it for you or are you ashamed or something?

>> No.6791468

>>6791466
I haven't drawn in years.
I used to draw back in the day but then got kind of tired of it. Never got past /beg/
Don't have any of my old drawings unfortunately. You wouldn't want to see them anyway, trust me.

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>>6791468
>You wouldn't want to see them anyway, trust me.
lol i don't mind anon there is nothing to be ashamed off that's the point of art it doesn't matter if your work is shitty beg tier it's yours you made it and you can improve it.
here take this for example one of my first ever digi drawings when i switched from trad a few years ago it's beg tier but i made it and still look at it like occasionally and laugh at how shit I used to be.
hell if you want you can even use AI prompts as a trainer to grind fundies.

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>>6791464
makes sense. I got bored after a couple of months and haven't been back. I wonder how many of the initial userbase is still sitting there prompting their hearts out. or if newish users tend to be the majority.

>> No.6791484

>>6791478
If your drawing is beg tier my drawings were toddler tier.
That actually looks kinda nice, anon.
I wish I had saved some of my old drawings.
Remember that proko fetus thing he painted live? That was basically most of my art. maybe even worse.

>> No.6791486

>>6791457
>>6791464
>>6791468

You're not making "art" it's entertainment. Like playing a game. Whether ai generative images art or not is up for debate. I think it could be. But an AI user WILL NEVER EVER be an artist. If all you do is generate shit, editing prompts. The entertainment you get from generating ai is not the same as the fulfillment of creating art. You can't even compare the two. It's not even in the same realm.

>> No.6791489

>>6791428

the ai made it. YOU didn't make shit. show your prompts.

>> No.6791490

>>6791089
Literally Putin starting a war no one asked for tier mentality right here.

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>>6791484
>That actually looks kinda nice, anon.
really? wow thanks at that time i did not even know what layers where and essentially just relied on trail and error learning lmao.
>>6791484
>Remember that proko fetus thing he painted live? That was basically most of my art. maybe even worse.
did you try grinding loomis? I did it before but got really bored and just copied my favourite doujin artists until I could draw half decent anatomy you could repeat the process with AI and eventually squeeze out something decent too it would be a lot easer actually since you can generate the poses in a shape that almost look close to what you want.
btw this was my first ever digital drawing this is how much a person can improve in a few months using just intuition.

>> No.6791492

>>6791428
Maybe people would appreciate artists more if they weren't all obnoxious and think everyone who isn't them has le shallow narrow understanding of art and isn't aspiring to a higher existence and deeper meaning

Mfs make a stick figure and now think they're above everyone else

>> No.6791493
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>>6791486
I'm sorry I never meant to claim I am an artist
Just like pretty pictures.

>> No.6791496

>>6791133
Uhh, yea? Because why are you implying the only way to draw big titty with with anime girls? Humans exists and is where anime got their titties from you know that right?

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>>6791486
yeah. it's image gatcha. pretty addictive too. I generated over 5k images in a month. not fulfilling in the end. the only good thing I got from it was learning some new actual artists names via others prompt sharing...

>> No.6791503

>>6791491
>did you try grinding loomis?
Yes I did for a while. It was okay I guess. Felt like it never really helped much when actually trying to draw something.
>btw this was my first ever digital drawing this is how much a person can improve in a few months using just intuition.
Good improvement for sure!

>> No.6791504

>>6791493
Realizing you aren't an artist is the first step. Realizing you're a thief and a spammer that's contributing to the massive erosion of quality of all creative content on the internet is the next. You don't "just like pretty pictures". You're a fucking blight. The world is worse off for you having posted just what you have in this thread. More trash for the trash pile.

>> No.6791510

>>6791168
>That's the point of AI art. It does the work for you so you don't actually have to spend years learning how to draw.
I thought it was a tool? If it does it for you it's not a tool and if it is a tool it shouldn't do the work for me. I shouldn't expect to use a hammer and not learn how to improve its use from my experience with it, that what defines a tool, something that aids with MY abilities and enhances them. If the hammer can auto that, then I'm not learning, I'm not growing and the information is now lost to time since the "tool" isn't a fucking person and will not teach itself or anything else around it how to do what it did itself.

It's destructive.

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>>6791504
I'm sorry you feel that way.

>> No.6791516

>>6791188
Congrats, you now realize what it's called to do that, it's called SOULLESS. Humans have souls. metal does not. chips does not. AI will NEVER have a soul. Separate art from humans and it becomes as lifeless as the rocks on this Earth.

>> No.6791517

>>6791447
>be me
>failed art kid
>bad things happen in life
>stop doing art for years
>finally pick up a pencil again after 5 years or so
>feel sort of happy with it
>AI art comes along
>no matter how much effort I put in to improving my craft, some retard who does nothing but jerk off and play video games all day will be able to create something better
>try to keep the “I just do art for myself” mentality, but it just feels so sad when I draw now

In 30 years nobody will give a shit about art. That’s the truth. You think gen A will care, when they grew up with AI art? Maybe. But do you think their kids will care? Hell no.

Art will soon be viewed as a relic of the past, like rotary phones and horse-drawn carriages. Sculpture will be all that survives, and I don’t even think people will give a shit about that.

Oh and forget about making money from your artwork. Enjoy it while it lasts because you have around 5-10 years before that goes out the window.

>> No.6791522

>>6791517
AI is going to ruin the art market, yes.
It's not going to stop you from making art for fun.
If you feel happy while making art, keep doing it.
The only people who should worry about AI are people who are currently making money from their art alone or people who are planning on doing that in the future. Hobbyists have literally nothing to fear.
Stop letting AI dedicate your life. Most artists who post here aren't going to make money from their art anyway, just let it go and draw for fun.

>> No.6791527

>>6791231
Considering the average aishill cannot separate having any women not look conventionally hot and the intentions as to why they look like that, shows how hypercritical this statement is.

>> No.6791530

>>6791236
He's talking about when AI is "perfected", it's far worse now with how clearly shit it still is but it's being propped up that is already "peaked over human art".

>> No.6791533

>>6791241
>They exist and there's no way to take them back now.
Sure there is, a complete and utter wiping of digital media via solar storm.

>> No.6791535

>>6791267
Yes he is >>6791253

>> No.6791540

>>6791284
It is soulless so that part stay true

Hell I pretty sure just having a hard on over the replacement of human artists is still coom via the arousal of the idea.

>> No.6791542

>>6791329
This just means humanity is retarded and isn't educated.

>> No.6791546
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>>6791363
>Makes a soulless image of a character from an anime who's life is to live in the SOUL society
Oh the irony. Also that thing isn't Rukia.

>> No.6791549

>>6791373
Literal self portrait poster right here. Stupid monkey.

>> No.6791554

>>6791444
>Went from stealing a photo to stealing a photo with hyper contrast/saturation on top
HEIL THE FUTURE!

>> No.6791557

>>6791457
Ok Gachanigger.

>> No.6791560
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>>6791542
>only educated people understand art
>it's the smartest people in the world who are currently working hard to destroy the whole art world
anon, I....

>> No.6791564

>>6791546
>Oh the irony. Also that thing isn't Rukia.
Bless you.
KEK

>> No.6791566

>>6791560
>>it's the smartest people in the world who are currently working hard to destroy the whole art world
Yes sir, we truly are the smartest, haha, my sir.
Real irony is that they are at least smarter than ai slop consumers, KEK.

>> No.6791567
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>>6791560
>only educated people understand art
Yes, that's how knownledge works.
>>it's the smartest people in the world who are currently working hard to destroy the whole art world
Intelligence /= educated you fucking retard. A professional basketball player doesn't know how music works. Education in one field doesn't make you educated for every known field in existence. You'd get that if you had a brain yourself.

>> No.6791581
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>>6791566
>>6791567
sh-...shut up

>> No.6791594
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>>6791517
>be me
>drew as a kid
>picked up drawing about 5 years ago
>keep improving
>keep having fun
>ai art comes along
>there is always going to be someone better than me
>no one cares about my art
>no one will care about my art
>no one will give a shit about art in 30 years
>keep improving
>keep having fun

>> No.6791628
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>>6791503
>>did you try grinding loomis?
>Yes I did for a while. It was okay I guess. Felt like it never really helped much when actually trying to draw something.
the point is not to copy them one to one but to take inspiration from notice flaws and develop your own style anon
>>btw this was my first ever digital drawing this is how much a person can improve in a few months using just intuition.
>Good improvement for sure!
try it yourself anon rev up MS paint and draw a shitty oc I will redline it hell you can even trace some AI slop it doesn't matter as long as it helps you improve.

>> No.6791641
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>>6791628
>try it yourself anon rev up MS paint and draw a shitty oc
Thanks but I've given up on drawing.
It just isn't for me. Don't have the attention span for it.

>> No.6791646

>>6791628
>>6791641
Forgot to say:
I like your half finished drawing.
Finish it it looks really promising!

>> No.6791661

>>6791560
alright I'm back I spent an hour or so on a drooling dopamine drip on a prompt generator trying to understand why AIfag anon is so obsessed with his bot toys and the realization finally dropped you get the same pleasure prooooomting as you would spinning a gacha/gambling machine it's essentially just an slot machine but for coom for art I suppose this more than anything explains posts like this.
>>6791373
>I just wanna relax and consoom. AI will only supply exactly what I want without having to hope some faggot will produce it for me.
they literally cannot stop lmao.
>>6791641
>Don't have the attention span for it.
nigga I'm an actual autist when I was a kid my school had to get special anti slip pads for my chair because I wouldn't stop spazzing out i had that much virile energy if i can do it anybody can.
>>6791646
>I like your half finished drawing.
>Finish it it looks really promising!
thanks the story behind it is actually quite embarrassing lmao I only figured out a month ago you can set the layer to "multiply" and colour over your drawings without it ruining the lineart imagine how retarded i felt that is a genuine story you cannot get with prompted art it's those little things that give something soul.
AI art could be a good testing and training tool though I will use it to experiment and reverse engineer rendering techniques later.

>> No.6791666
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>>6791661
I can't tell if you're trying to bully me or help me

>> No.6791669
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>>6791490
Error, NATO started the war by putting weapons on the border of Russia and Ukraine, if NATO had removed its shit from the border there would have been no war, it was also an agreement signed years before and NATO broke it, so look for another analogy , asshole

>> No.6791675

>>6791669
Ok Putin.

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>>6791669
based

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>>6791666
>I can't tell if you're trying to bully me or help me
a little bit of both i actually genuinely want to see a proooomters work and would enjoy a good meme redline I have only done it a few times before usually on AI hands.
>>6791678
>based
you frequent /chug/?

>> No.6791682

>>6791669
Putin started it by putting his cronies into border towns and making them occupy government buildings a decade ago

>> No.6791688
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>>6791681
>you frequent /chug/?
I don't know what that is sorry

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>>6791688
>I don't know what that is sorry
pro Russian general on /pol/ since you said based to anon's post I assumed your a regular I occasionally pass by to lurk there when /ic/ is slow.
also do you understand what soul means now or need another lecture/browbeating/educational session from sempai?

>> No.6791696
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>>6791694
No I think I got it.
<-- this is soul

>> No.6791699

>>6791696
>No I think I got it.
><-- this is soul
ok let me do an experiment make a shitpost manga with the character it doesn't have to be good or well drawn if you can't prooooomt ill cobble one together for you.
you will see the what I mean.

>> No.6791703
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>>6791699
>mfw he keeps asking me to draw
>on /ic/
Don't you know how things work around here?

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>>6791703
>Don't you know how things work around here?
for fucks sakes prompter kun anything even a scribble my kingdom for a scribble!

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>>6791706
NO!

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>>6791710
>NO!
do it NOW before i get my (you) stick out and start chasing you around the room prompter kun!

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6791785

>>6791127
>Art is still extremely derrivative. All art is based on art that came before it.
This is simplistic drivel that AIbros keep repeating. Sure, art is inspired by other art. But it is a specific set of influences of a particular artist, interpreted through their hand. 10 comic artists could be inspired by Jack Kirby and Osamu Tezuka, but each of those artists will express it in a different way.
Also art is inspired by a number of other things, including philosophy, personal beliefs, culture, politics, and that thing called real life that exists outside of art (from this is where the greatest art is created).
AI is just plugging in names and randomizing aesthetic signifiers, a visual slot machine.

>> No.6791789

>>6791785
>This is simplistic drivel that AIbros keep repeating. Sure, art is inspired by other art. But it is a specific set of influences of a particular artist, interpreted through their hand. 10 comic artists could be inspired by Jack Kirby and Osamu Tezuka, but each of those artists will express it in a different way.
this
There is a huge difference between human learning and and AI clones.
an AI doesn't have any emotions idiologies or baises that would influenece the design process as mentioned before in my previos posts it its just a supercharged pattern recognition bot if you feed it an exact number of pieces of a specific artist it will be able to discern and produce near perfect replica's of there work something which will definatly be abused (it is already actually) this is a pretty big fucking deal when talking about copyrighted work or big huncho artist who don't want to see there work plagarized by some fucking script kiddie.
a human being is almost physically incapable of this type of machine precision hence when a human learns something or takes insperation from another artist they inavartadly ad there own spin on it making it a transformative work you can see this with lazy grifting copycats or artist that make fangames/manga of there favorite works.
well.... let me give you a better example berserk after Muira's death his assistents took over his work and are trying to finish the manga these guys where HIS personal assistants he lectured them trained them and told them everything about the story yet you can still see a big difference between the style of the master and his worker drones it just isn't the same.

>> No.6791809
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>AI doesn't have any emotio-...
>BRAAAAAP
>BRP
>BRAAAAAAAAAP

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6791818

>regressing to fart posting
Jesus christ how pathetic

>> No.6791820
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>BRAP?

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>>6791809
fufufu prompter kun after generating over 500 pics I have to say these things are extremely limited especially when you are asking for hyper specific things like not showing the fucking face of the pinup girl although they posses some utility it's too soulgrinding and boring to use as an effective tool out of that 500 I only managed to get 13 that came out exactly how I imagined for my reference collection with plenty of abominations like this in the meantime.
also
>braap posting
my boy did i really mindbreak you that hard by asking for a doodle lmao.

>> No.6791826
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>BRRRRRRAP

>> No.6791827

>>6791825
to add to my previous post the time i spent proooompting I could have just drawn it myself and gotten exactly what I imagined.

>> No.6791829
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>This would've taken a non-AI-enabled-artist many hours to make
>it took me less than 20 seconds
New artists reading this should consider their path in life carefully, considering the above.

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>MFW anon dismantles my argument with facts and logic

>> No.6791863

>>6790992
the model you use as swell as the prompts you use have a massive impact on what it outputs, the resolution you output has a huge impact too

you can get very sharp outlines if you want to, you can use any art style you want to, it requires a lot of experimenting to find the right combination of keywords for the prompt and there's all kinds of sliders to play with so at this point in time it's a hassle to get good stuff out but totally doable

what I fear for is the future where this gets streamlined to the point where it's more of an exact science instead of boiling down to trial and error

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>>6791682
Why the hell does Ukraine sign an agreement with Russia not to put NATO weapons on the border, if it is going to break it later? and then they cry, shut your mouth retarded, west along with the nato are falling in front of your eyes and you can't understand it, lmao

>> No.6791873
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6791873

>>6791675
Of course

>> No.6791878

>>6790625
yeah this is horseshit, artists use this excuse because they fear AI will get too good if it has access to the entire internet instead of a small dataset

>> No.6791886

>>6791094
KJG will be replicated, that attempt was one with low 512x512 resolution thumbnails and badly curated training data where the annotation isn't detailed enough

a 1024x1024 model was just released and it's already more coherent, imagine when they double the resolution again

if I were to train a KJG LoRA with the current way stable diffusion works, I'd crop individual characters etc. into their own images since the it seems to get confused over crowds of things happening

>> No.6791890

>>6791180
effort doesn't make you entitled to anything by itself, you have to produce something of value and the way these AI advance it seems likely doing things by hand won't provide any value outside of artfart circles, meaning no mass appeal

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>>6791847
pls sir get away from the anime elf, sir

>> No.6791896

>>6791893
>pls sir get away from the anime elf, sir
I can't believe it's where like 4 to 5 hours in and the promptertranny still hasn't posted a single doodle i mean is he really that scared of getting memed and redlined?

>> No.6791907

>>6791847
you claim to not think yourself as an artist yet here you are spamming DESPERATELY hoping that we see your slop and become endeared to your personality through it. You're a bullshit person and nobody will ever care about what your fat little fingers type into your trash machine. Here's your (you) though I guess..

>> No.6791912
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6791912

Why can't we all just get along?

>> No.6791913

>>6791377
what do you think the commercial art industry is?

>> No.6791916

>>6791394
yes, we live in a society where there are people generating cosplay girl images and making thousands of bucks from it

I don't understand this phenomena either but on the other hand similar dumb shit has happened for example on twitch and retarded twitch donations so I'm not surprised as much as I am confused

>> No.6791917

>>6791913
>what do you think the commercial art industry is?
90%soulless hallow shite produced and curated by bugmen there are exceptions of coarse independent works small companies and producers but the vast majority of slop made by hollywank and other big media is essentially junk fast food entertainment ironically replacing it with an AI wouldn't change anything but speed up production of the mind poison.

>> No.6791923

>>6791483
on /g/ there's still a ton of the same posters from last year, still prompting the same exact subject matter over and over again
>bro look at my elf with a disgusted face #345636
it's insane but I guess autism and repetition would be the answer

>> No.6791928 [DELETED] 
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>getting that perfect upskirt first try
>"real" artists will never know this feel

>> No.6791932
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>>6791912
What do you mean? Shitting on each other and drawing each others works in awful ways in how we get along.
>drawing
i forgot.

>> No.6791933

>>6791517
>Art will soon be viewed as a relic of the past,
There are cultures that straight up bam drawing and yet people there still draw. There will always be people who care about art. Stop being such a doomer. AI is going to fuck over all of humanity eventually but it cannot stop artists from existing.

>> No.6791935

>>6791907
nah people like him find it fun to see people in denial seethe

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>>6791932
Wasn't talking to you, you're okay.
Didn't want to give the guy a (you) so my bad for not being more specific

>> No.6791939

>>6791932
stick shizo? hey bro remember last thread where you shat all over the AI trannies? your like a light bulb to these fags.

>> No.6791940

>>6791917
yeah you harbor a lot of hatred towards the world but the entertainment industry caters to what people want and automation is compatible with it

I used to whine about movie games until I realized that if you work a hard job you want to relax when you come home so having games play themselves is something that would allow one to do that

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6791944

>get that perfect ass shot first try
>real prompters will never know this feel

>> No.6791945
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>>6791944
>he has to sketch first
>he has to color
>he has to shade
>he has to check redo the whole drawing if the client doesn't like it
meanwhile I just
>BRAAAAP

>> No.6791948

>>6791940
>yeah you harbor a lot of hatred towards the world but the entertainment industry caters to what people want and automation is compatible with it
yes i'm right too you see anon the thing is that companies grift by creating artificial problems (eg fake demand) and sell solutions to the problems they created want an example DRM and microtransactions these shitting things have been shown and proven to make games actually worse more boring and tedious to play while causing massive social harms but the big biz don't care there so blinded by greed they ignore all long term consciquinces for short term profits fucking us all over AI is just the latest in this long line of get rich quick schemes and we all have to suffer because the coomers and consuuumers are retarded.
>>6791944
>>get that perfect ass shot first try
I Like how promptor tranny ignores the fact he had to generate 300+ pics to get the right one lmao he could have spent that time finishing a doodle for me to redline now that i think about it.

>> No.6791949

>>6791945
shame that with the furry models it's more a of a battle to get what you want since you're often dealing with unique body shapes and characters instead of generic anime girls

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>>6791948
>had to generate 300+ pics to get the ri-...
>BRAAAAAP

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>>6791945
>Meanwhile i just

>> No.6791954

>>6791948
I don't mean to say that hating the way the world works is wrong but in the end reality is one thing and your feelings another, you control what you do instead of willing the world to be what you want, I'm very pessimistic about the art industry even though I'd like it no be ruined

>> No.6791955
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6791955

>takes longer to solve the captcha than to generate these
Life is unfair for artists, but they have to adapt.

>> No.6791959

>>6791948
if you use some basic bitch anime model you can generate anime girls doing generic coomer poses for the camera with one click and it works 90%+ of the time, it's when you start wanting something specific that it becomes a hassle

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>>6791950
>promtiod is also a scat/fart fetishist
the jokes write themselves also anon I'm still waiting for my doodle to redline I will keep asking forever no matter where you are!
>>6791954
>but in the end reality is one thing and your feelings another, you control what you do instead of willing the world to be what you want, I'm very pessimistic about the art industry even though I'd like it no be ruined
all grifts eventually come to an end we can take some solace in that also the thought of participating in a real life butlarian jihad is extremely amusing to me.
have you noticed promtertrannie is scared of me now? I actually buck him by asking to pyw lmao.

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>>6791955
wow did you steal my work?

>> No.6791968

>>6791960
I think that those AI grifters on patreon will lose their gig eventually when this AI stuff becomes more streamlined and mass adoption happens, but while that means end of grifters (though I can respect hustlers just using the opportunity to make a quick buck) it could just bring the entire industry down or more accurately turn it into AI driven workflow

>> No.6791969
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6791969

Okay I'll stop bullying you guys now.
I don't hate you guys, I'm just trying to get you guys to escape this cope culture.

>> No.6791971
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>spams thread trying to provoke a seethe with his prompts
>"wow guys stop coping"
absolutely and irredeemably buck broken

>> No.6791973

>>6791959
>it's when you start wanting something specific that it becomes a hassle
I know anon I'm doing an experiment with a generator model called prompterchan I got around a thousand pieces currently no matter what prompt I typed in it categorically refused to not show the face give me correct hands and cannot draw a girl fingering herself from the backside.
>>6791968
>I think that those AI grifters on patreon will lose their gig eventually when this AI stuff becomes more streamlined and mass adoption happens, but while that means end of grifters (though I can respect hustlers just using the opportunity to make a quick buck) it could just bring the entire industry down or more accurately turn it into AI driven workflow
remember NFT's and crypto? it will essentially become completely centralized as the only people who can afford the bot farms/ACIGS will be big biz and turbo grifters to whom the rugpull is second nature this is also the only way you could actually hope to have a market for AI "art" because as mentioned before if everybody is an artist nobody is and it becomes worthless due to oversaturation.
>>6791971
>absolutely and irredeemably buck broken
next thread he pops up in ill bully him by asking for a doodle he just can't handle it anon the pencil scares the promtiod .

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>>6791973
>next thread he pops up in ill bully him by asking for a doodle he just can't handle it anon the pencil scares the promtiod .
i just noticed we went over bump limit

>> No.6791978

>>6791973
I don't like those NFT and crypto comparisons because you could compare anything to those scams but it doesn't mean they're the same thing
> this is also the only way you could actually hope to have a market for AI "art" because as mentioned before if everybody is an artist nobody is and it becomes worthless due to oversaturation.
I'm just thinking that the entertainment industry will use tons of AI generated content, think of video game art etc.

anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ

>> No.6791982

>>6791973
>I know anon I'm doing an experiment with a generator model called prompterchan
I personally just use a local install of stable diffusion and a bunch of the different models you can download for it and it's like you can kind of do anything you want with that but it's such a hassle to do tons of trail and error to figure our what model and prompts to use at what resolution, there's no one package that just werks, instead you have to sift through all sorts of shit to find something that works, therefore the user experience is shit right now

but I can see it becoming better

>> No.6791983

>>6791976
>i just noticed we went over bump limit
yes for such a slow board this is actually pretty impressive AI is a topic that guarantees controversy and bumps it seems.

>> No.6791991

>>6791983
AI is a scary topic.
Fear = easy clicks

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>>6791944
WTF???

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>>6791944
no

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>>6791944
The AI gives me these beautiful asses why should I feel guilty???

>> No.6792484

>>6791504
Jesus, what is your problem?

>> No.6792487

>>6792484
nvm I just scrolled down

>> No.6792782

>>6791022
>can't steal an artist's "style"

How would you even teach art then let alone remotely enforce this?

>> No.6792864

>>6792484
Unemployment