/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6771257
w-what vilppu books do you recommend
yes I'm the same guy

>>6771259
seconding this question
vilppu is being recommended so much
and i have been repeatedly told my stuff looks like i studied vilppu
i want to give it a try

what is the name of the canonical book/course/whatever that people mean when they refer to vilppu?

>>6771263
I believe it's Vilppu Drawing Manual.

>>6771263
>what is the name of the canonical book/course/whatever that people mean when they refer to vilppu?
vilppu drawing manual and then head over to the video course general for his video courses

>>6771286
oh and you can also find some vids of him drawing on youtube if you just want a quick rundown of his drawing technique before the hassle of downloading videos or books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0bd0_8onkA&t=17s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk

The sheer size of tits got me confused, I'm not even sure where the navel is supposed to go.

>>6771257
I need some help with the arm.
And probably the face.

I don't know if I am doing it right. My ref may be lying to me again

>>6769499
These few forms took me over an hour. Holy are they hard

newfag to the board here, what books should I start with

>>6771259
>>6771280
>>6771286
>>6771289
okay thank you anons so far
for the drawing manual, the /ic/ torrent has video courses(?) on that too
should i read the book or watch the videos? or is the information there basically the same just presented differently
what about all the other stuff i found under vilppu
renaissance drawing
facial expressions
gesture
they all seem like separate courses, or are they all just excerpts from his "drawing manual" video catalog?

>>6771314
Based. GMI

>>6771342
There is a video course on vk.com the russian facebook, just google vk.com vilppu drawing course, you can stream it there for free

>>6771301
Doesn't look too bad. Can you post the ref? Might help us give some feedback

Tried a few more, but did them more quickly tiday because I'm nervous, going to a clinic tomorrow, I'm scared bros.

>>6771357
The arm was almost done by imagination

This was my ref for the face. I feel like this face does not work with the angle of my pose, though

>>6771342
i recommend just starting with drawing manual to be honest

flipping through it, it may look boring but it’s more fun/challenging than it looks

>>6771342
He has a video course that goes through the drawing manual lessons, I got it from a vilppu mega in the archive. If you're really having trouble understanding gesture from books, the video courses may be better for you. It's easy to get stuck in a book when you can't see the whole process on paper, although vilppu does a better job than most of showing his methods in the manual

>>6771342
>should i read the book or watch the videos? or is the information there basically the same just presented differently
he has a main video course where its the same content as his books but much more indepth ofc, he also has videoc oruse series on anatomy where he goes indepth into anatomy form skeleton to muscles then figure and so on, your typical anatomy course but from a more artistic perspective than a dry analytical one you often see
the book itself can be useful since you arent a day 1 beginner so you can extract useful info form it and then if you want to go deeper use the video courses (a plus is that some of the videos are from when he was younger and was a complete chad with a majestic porn stash)

what makes vilppu great is that he tries to teach the same methods of gesture and figure drawing taught since the 15th century masters and he was a teacher for big animation companies teaching their aniamtors how to draw so his teaching is really catered to that form and dynamic gesture aspect, rather than just being a scientifically correct copy of humanity with no sovl

>>6771341
run away before that permabeg shoves keys to drawing down your throat

Good drawing is a fundamentally hallucinatory experience. It's the acquisition of a new state of thinking, a completely new mode of thought, in which you are able to hallucinate with extreme clarity the felt movement around imagined forms at the tip of your pencil. It's not a metaphor, feeling the form is a hallucinatory experience

>>6771398
asian guy be like "dam son, old man got some nippon jeens inhim no cap fr fr"

>>6771314
Truly based. Those forms are not easy, but it takes a chad to humble yourself to drawing basic forms.

>>6771301
>>6771357
>>6771359
Yea ref is a bit different. Here's how I'd do it. I'm terrible at anime style, but hope this gives you an idea. Tilt the head away from us and watch out for the concave thigh closer to us.

>>6771412
Goddamn it, I knew my ref is lying again.
I can feel it but I am just too /beg/ to argue
Thanks, man.

>>6771400
They're both mirin' the fat tits Vilppu-sensei is secretly drawing as he's lecturing.

>>6771130
>i suggest keys to drawing
why specifically keys of drawing over other books? is it based off the work i posted?

>>6771301
I give it a try
the face looked strange because the reference angle is very different
so maybe you need to change the body position

Dynamic

>>6771470
Thanks

Gonna call this done. I'd like to get better at making backgrounds not be so damn time consuming, but all things considering I'm pretty happy.

does this look okay? I posted the construction in the last thread but I haven't decided what character it's going to be yet nor what kinda clothing I was gonna draw on (if I was gonna draw any clothing)

I was thinking about changing her arms too

Took most of the month off to paint my 40k army. I bought most of it in 2020, but never got a chance to play. After three disappointing weekends I think I'm done trying to make this shit work, but there is a silver lining to all this.

Coming back to drawing in finding that I have a lot more energy and less anxiety (virtually none!) After dealing with painting up models to try to make a deadline and the repetition of doing squads of 10 nearly identical guys, going back to just fucking drawing is a DREAM!

Here's a study in pencil I knocked out on break at work. It's still /beg/, but I enjoyed doing it, I'm enjoying looking at my work, and I did another drawing and started a third today, and it was FAR less mentally taxing then basecoating a single color on a squad.
And the best part is, I got enough pens, pencil lead, erasers, paper, and other shit that I can do this for well over a year without spending another dime.
Anybody want to by a used, mostly painted 40k army?

>>6771482

This is the one I started. It's kinda fucked up because I got my skin oil on the paper and it won't erase clean. It's okay because I'm draw a better one tomorrow.

>>6771398
>Hallucinatory
It's literal magic you retard, you're manifesting anime thots by turning raw willpower into something physical the same way some bitch on Tiktok flips cards to hex her enemies except this actually works. Every time you draw your hundreds of racist ancestors pool their spiritual resources to make the bitches shinier and your hand steadier, hand-eye coordination is an illuminaty psyop.

forever beg

>>6771400
moar like bitch took a century to get what I had at birth.

>>6771514
Fine, I'll say it since I know you're fishing for it. You're int. Those heads are good.
(you)

45min 20230731

>>6771557
1H today. Focusing on what I did poorly on the previous day

>turn on motivational shonen gym music (https://youtu.be/Hr0eQa_K9Rc))
>grind geometric shapes and line dexterity exercises for hours
>whole body is surging with adrenaline
>feel like I'm engaged in spiritual warfare with my sketchbook

>>6771558
Here, you like butts and brunettes. Do this one!

>>6771493
>>6771482
I see what you're doing, but you are doing it wrong

>>6771559
Based shape grinding Chad.

>>6771565
Nice, thanks for that. I'll add it to my reference library and do this tonight after I'm done at work.

tried to do moar construction and make it more symmetrical as advised last thread

i have trouble feeling the form when drawing the head in a front view due to my… dark past (see: >>6770992)

>>6771565
BUTTA

>>6771605
also sculpted this guy earlier and he counts towards the challenge because i said so

after i cook him he’s going on my desk next to the miku figures

also name ideas for him appreciated

Something about this drawing feels off, but i can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe its the head perspective.

How do i even know wether or not i like drawing? Been depressed and depersonalized for years. I don't even enjoy stuff that i do like, such asgames and shows.

>>6771566
Fucking Proko, he did it nothing like this.

>>6771633
I mean this honestly because you never know on this degenerate site;
Is this supposed to be a woman, or a man in a dress? Because it seems you are trying to take a realistic traced body type and put an anime face on it. And it doesn't work.
If it is indeed a woman, you need to trim some inches off the shoulders/forearms, bring in the trapezius, and but the left forearm length by a 3rd at least.

>>6771662
It's supposed to be a woman. I didn't see the male body type before, but i think i see it now. I'll try to take the advice into account for future drawings. Looks like i'll have to study body shapes more.

>>6771664

Here's a general tip

>>6771627
her scapula are way too big

>>6771682

>>6771682

>>6771682
>>6771764
amazing

This is probably an insanely dumb question but I'm really struggling with the torso. Why do some people's ribcages, more specifically females have a slight curve on the sides, while some others don't? Or is just completely depending on the female and pose? The drawing I highlighted is from Vilppu's Drawing manual, while the photo from the left is from the last thread that an anon posted. Also this post >>6771059 that an anon redlined also has a straight line along the ribcage from the last thread.
I'm completely lost here.

when will figure drawing click bros?

>>6771801
different people have different shaped rip cages. Also, some people have developed lats, which make the sides seem straight

>>6771801
body fat, muscle development, clothes pressing the skin
there are a number of factors

Is drawing statues like pic related good for you?

>>6771824
look at all the anatomy....

>>6771811
>>6771813
Thanks anons, I was just getting pretty paranoid about how to draw the sides of the ribcage since it's always either straight or curvey at the sides. I should've known that everyone has a different body.

>>6771811
>Also, some people have developed lats, which make the sides seem straight
Lats? What's that?

>>6771824
the way the the fingertips sink in.... thats top notch

also it is good practice since its already simplified a bit

>>6771486
Looks good, so far.

>>6771682
>Vilppu resurrects Tupac by feeling the form of his spirit from beyond

>>6771840
>Lats? What's that?
Latissimus Dorsi muscle, which are the big "wings" you see on swimmers and bodybuilders

day 21
I was supposed to write something down to not forget, i actually don't fucking remember what it was lol

>>6771130
>it is very simple: none of the crabs posted their work and that is all what matters
It's kinda weird you're not drawing the one thing you actually want to draw

>>6771883
the next time i forget the pic i will cut off one of my fingers

>>6771257
Need some recommendations on how to draw realistic bodies while not having a lot of paper.
The pic on the left is my attempt to do just the face, fine. The pic on the right is full body.
What I'm trying to do would probably be low detail as this is pretty small paper size no bigger than a small school notes book
How do you make realistic stuff when it's further away?

>>6771485
Cool. I like that you’re drawing something with a story, something happening, a point of interest. It’s more engaging.

>>6771900
people say supplies don't matter, but supplies DO totally matter. Schools will have you drawing on giant 18 x 24 sheets of paper, because it lets you finish the drawing realistically. Art supplies are expensive, it's just the way it is. If you're only doing line drawing, copy paper is probably fine, but realism takes more.

Get a digital tablet! It's only 50 bucks and you can draw anything on it. I recommend Huion for this. Once you want to upgrade to a screentablet, a Wacom cintiq is better, because Huion Kamvases kept breaking down in my experience

Day 3, did some geometric perspective practice and then tried to do my first drawing from a reference that wasn't just a quick gesture

not very happy with how the body contorts, it feels like i didn't get the twisting of the body across properly

as always, open to any and all criticism!

>>6771257
How to draw faces?
Rec some courses/books

having fun with watercolor pencils.
Went for some kind of deliberate difference in fore/background, with those "stage waves" that I've always loved.

Day 3, did some geometric perspective practice and then tried to do my first drawing from a reference that wasn't just a quick gesture

not very happy with how the body contorts, it feels like i didn't get the twisting of the body across properly

as always, open to any and all criticism!
(deleted previous post to adjust spinal indentation)

>>6771932
nigga you need to learn gesture
Force: Dynamic Life Drawing for Animators, read the section "applied force"

>>6771932

Anon the feet in your pic are deformed. Use a pic of a real woman, it will actually teach you instead of teaching bad habits and fucked up anatomy.

having fun with watercolor pencils.
Went for some kind of deliberate difference in fore/background, with those "stage waves" that I've always loved.

Sunset is shit with that red bar, need to get better at blending with the watercolor pencils, I wanted the "troughs" to seem like bowls to add to the cartoonish foreground but could be better.
Also I get too "cezanne" with the background, but idk looks like it needs improvement. Biggest thing is the sunset though.

>>6771942
sorry, can you explain where applied force could be used in the image?
>>6771944
i didn't spend a whole lot of time on the feet but you're definitely right, they're very weird looking! i have a feeling hands/toes will be my bane for a while, maybe i'll try doing some studies of them specifically sometime this week

>>6771947
>sorry, can you explain where applied force could be used in the image?
no, read it yourself

>>6771949
i just did, isn't applied force about emphasizing directional movement/actions? i don't think i understand how that applies to a sitting model, since there wouldn't be any movement

new,

shit, so do i really draw a bunch of circles, triangles, and squares? after I get good at them in 2d, I make them in 3d?
then i do a shitton of studies?
just making sure. is the hackmd guide the most recommended?

>>6771953
just bee yourself

Gestures, 20 min. All this talk about Vilppu the past days had me pick up his Drawing Manual again.

Captcha: GAY NK0

Like with many other aspects of life, don't be trying to solve problems before they actually exist.

Literally "bee yourself" and discover what you need to work on.
A lot of people got a lot of advice and a lot of it will conflict with what you enjoy and what you excel at.

"instruction at the point of need" says Tufte, and it applies to art too. Start with your joy and what makes you happy to depict. From there, find out what's stopping you from making more joyful things.

blogposting day 8
yesterday i only drew one singular badly drawn goat so i didn't post, today i also just drew a few things very quickly and without really focusing at all, but i did it just to keep up the habit. i've been too exhausted to put any real effort in
i shouldn't be quite as busy and tired for the rest of the week, so i intend to finally put some proper hours in. i'm thinking i'll make some headway into the loomis book, maybe have a look at keys to drawing as well, and try to draw just for the sake of drawing a lot more

>>6771961
bad advice

“beeing yourself” leads to bad deviantart

>>6771951
Once you realize why a sitting model has force you will be closer to getting it

>>6771974
If that's what pulls a person in, then no amount of shoving books in face will correct it.
My point stands.

>>6771977
would it be like, gravitational force from the weight of the body?

if that's it, then yeah that's definitely something i need to work on, the line i did for the thigh/calf is straight which looks very boring compared to a curved line that emphasizes the weight of the body

is that what you mean?

>>6771961
I agree. I've repeated this many times for similar posts. Draw what you like or think is cool, then study up on what you got wrong.
The really poor artists that cannot even make a badly drawn human figure have it the hardest. They would probably need to do more studies than what they enjoy.
For most everyone else it's far more important to aim for excellence while following the flow of what they enjoy. The skills are universal, the application not as much.

>>6771965
Did you use a reference for the goat and try to do a gesture-like drawing of it? Even if you go straight at it with ink, try to use circular movements to zone in on the shape of the thing you're sketching. When you have a good shape down, then you can do the outline, details.

>>6771953
You can skip the circles and squares. Jump straight to the Feng Zhu videos on studies, and just do that for a while. Draw cool stuff you're actually interested in, then get into figure drawing using Hampton, Bridgman, and Vilppu. Figure drawing is the thing that will take you from /beg/ to /pro/ in the most straight of lines

>>6771991
>gesture-like drawing
to be honest i couldn't do that even if i tried as i know absolutely nothing about gesture, in fact i'm one of those 'really poor artists that cannot even make a badly drawn human figure' that you mentioned
with the animals i've been focusing on construction, as that's really the only thing i've been introduced to so far. 'simple construction from reference,' as another anon put it a few threads back

can i get some crit on my 30 s gestures?

>>6772011
i think it's not a good idea to do 30 second gesture. It's only my opinion, but I have never gotten anything out of it, other than as a quick way to note down interesting poses and postures. Learning solid form, construction, anatomy, proportion, and lighting is much more important. I would get Hampton and work through that instead, focusing on form and boxes and anatomy

>>6772011
they look good, the next step if you want to continue practicing is gesturing characters interacting with each other, like 2 people playing chess, or sitting in a bench next to each other, etc

I can't tell if maybe i'm misunderstanding something, but does every artist start out when making their drawings by doing geometric shapes (i.e. circles, rectangles, ovals) to map out the body, and uses that as a reference? or is that more just to get the gesture of the body correct so it looks believable, and then they jump straight into the outlines of the drawing?

>>6772020
absolutely everything is form. It is always form. There is no "outline" only, because outline is a representation of form. Even if you are not using geometric shapes, you are still putting lumps of clay down in organic ways that represent accurate human anatomy.

>>6771999
Checked.
Here's a rough example of what I mean. Construction is good and necessary. It may be a process difference, but if I'm sketching out ideas I would go about it this way. First I loosely put it the direction of the main shapes as straight lines, then I round out with circular shapes how the thing I'm drawing looks like, outline and some masses I notice. Then I try to construct a more angular version of the sketch, this would be the point where you use your balls, trapezoids etc. to grok how the figure could be reduced. Afterwards use either sketch or construction to construct the final drawing.
The thing I would like you to try is the first image, a gesture. Try to get a flow of the figure down before you do the construction. Not guaranteed that it will be useful to you, but it might give you some ideas on how to improve further.

>>6772011
I don't like doing short timed gestures like that. I prefer to have enough time to put in forms and curvature. 30s is enough for me to get the idea of the form, but I lack the ability to capture the whole of it the most. My gestures are untimed, but land in the 3-5 minute zone.

>>6771398
that white guy on the back is so fucking cute
>tfw no qte drawfag bf
why live

>>6772034
Go to any art college with a split portfolio of your work and your own sexy pics. You'll find one in no time.

>>6772016
trad?

>>6772047
nope, just a pencil brush with tilt sensitivity

>>6772013
>>6772027
usually don't do it but I figured I should do it occasionally, usually do longer ones so thats good to hear
>>6772014
never tried 2 figures good idea, usually the sites dont let you toggle it but I can probably use my own refs

should you always do gesture before you construct your piece?

>>6772071
Just bee yourself

>>6771565
I tried.
>>6771494
>It's okay because I'm draw a better one tomorrow.
I kneel. GMI
>>6771342
>>6771259
I’d do the renaissance figure drawing to start and get an idea of his approach. You can read the drawing manual alongside it. If you like it, watch literally everything he’s done that you can find.
>>6771682
>>6771764
Fukkin sick brah
>>6771953
Draw stuff you like and want to draw. Be that coom or mecha or mecha coom or anime or cute animals. First and foremost, just draw. To that, add the following training:

Drawing on the right side of the brain OR keys to drawing — do the exercises in one of those books until you break your symbol drawing habit and learn to see properly. Once you can see:
DrawABox up until you begin the sausage exercises, then start doing Vilppu along with DrawABox. That will be a damn good foundation. That’ll teach you how to see, basic construction, and figure drawing. By the end, you’ll be a form-feeling monster.
Also this >>6772025 is 100% true. If there’s a “secret” to drawing it’s probably this.
>>6772027
That’s a nice fucking goat, anon!
>>6772071
Usually. If there’s some absolutely fucked foreshortening, jumping straight into construction can help. No rules, only tools.

>>6772071
Bee yourself. I go gesture>construction>final, but it all depends on your needs, skills and thought process.

>>6771946
babes, beside the shit sunset red bar, what you think

>>6772092
It's cute, do another. Are you using some tape or similar stuff so that the corners of your page stick to the surface you're painting on?
Composition wise, a huge landmass that divides the top and bottom like that looks unappealing because it's too straight and uniform. The large black-ish area was also the wrong call imo. It stands out too much, and you could have used a darker blue/purple for that.
Assuming the page is small or you don't want to bother adding too many details to the island, you should have added more sunset outlines to the shrubbery on the island similar to the few trees. During sunset large faraway masses become more like blobs of color. It would be advisable to add in some more shapes to the few spots where light hits the island because you want to break up the mass of green to something more pleasing. Let the viewers imagination do the rest. This is touchy and experimental thought.
Less accentuated wave spike would have fit the transition between more realistic and more cartoony better.

>>6772098
Looks alright. Do another.

Thoughts?
https://litter.catbox.moe/889ypt.jpeg

>>6772100
Looking good. You are going a tad light with the pencil, though. I'd use a bit more force for face and similarly complex shapes to make them easier to read.

Did 4chan really image ban the anon that made the pic of a Minotaur molesting a chick in a dungeon?

>>6772100
Looks good. Looks solid and real. You’re feelin the form anon.

>>6772099
Thanks

Is there a general rule on how to draw the overlaps for joints or is it just anatomy? I

>>6772168
copy artists. Mahsssuterh Kauwpi!

here is my first half-assed attempt at a digital figure drawing after drawing lines and circles for a day

>>6772175
>Mahsssuterh Kauwpi
What does this mean and what language?

>>6772180
sound it out :)

>>6772184
Kek, master copy.

Hey guys what are your best ressources for the whole "box drawing"? I mean obviously drawing a box does not requires any special teaching, but I'm curious about how you can simplify the body with box, especially the pelvic area.

>>6772078
That's pretty good.

>refreshed /ic/ 500+ times today
>literally every minute, checking if someone replied to one of my posts
I'm lonely.

>>6772242
Which one? I'm working, but I'll give you a propper response.

I visited the grocery store to draw one of their peppers and they made me leave while I was still trying to get the gestalt of it. Forever ngmi.

>>6772244
i didn't post a drawing, just in general. I've replied to every single thread, but nobody has replied to me. Starting to think I need to re-evaluate my life

>>6772244
if someone doesn't respond out of their own volition it doesn't count

>>6772246
Being lonely makes us do silly things, anon. In your defense, I've been checking /ic/ threads a lot as well because I don't feel like working. These threads will become more active in 8-10 hours, though.

>>6772242
Nobody has replied to mine either.

>>6771358
looks good but you can try to do multiple copies of some of the faces and try to learn from what you did wrong in your previous copy, and good luck in the clinic

>>6772246
why not try drawing something anon

>>6772242
>be me
>post work
>immediately get replied to
Is this what making it feels like?

>>6772270
Pyw

>>6772275
Already did, cant you read?

does her booba look okay? I feel like it should be squished together more but idk

doodle

>>6772305
>I feel like it should be squished together more
You're right.

>>6772334
thanks for answering

>>6772292
You piece of shit kek

drew my favorite pokemon

>>6772305
draw a cube

>>6772350
?

>>6772351
you cant draw a cube, legs are 2 soft cubes stacked on each other, thats why the legs look terrible

>>6772353
I'm not sure what you mean. this drawing is my first attempt at construction and I just copied what the youtube video said to do. although I did get lazy on the legs and just flat out copy them since i was more focusing on practicing the body. pic related is how I constructed it

>>6772360

>>6772360
>I just copied what the youtube video said to do
link?

>>6772360
>pretends to understand and feel the form
vs
>>6772361
>LIVES the form

god damn anon you murdered that dude

>>6772098
eye too big

>>6772360
Exactly where her breasts are touching is hard to find because you made your construction lines very thick.

>>6772366
>god damn anon you murdered that dude
its not mine but i could do that if i wanted to, totally

>>6772366
I literally said this is my first attempt at construction. Of course it didn't turn out well

>>6772242
Replying to you in solidarity since I felt really lonely a few days ago and it was painful. I didn't do anything to get rid of the feeling, it just magically went away (and will magically return soon)

>>6772382
>My Little Mental Illness: Depression is Magic

>>6772390
some simple but often overlooked advice here, clean up those sketches so you can clearly see the forms and shapes you have drawn, otherwise the messyness can hide errors and make things look "decent" sometimes even correct, when in reality they arent, and you can suddenly find yourself symbol drawing some things when you get to a more difficult part of the drawing or unkown part
its a good habit to make these kinds of more form focused sketches cleaner

>>6772394
thanks, i'll keep it in mind

>>6771259
villpu didnt release too many books. he made one about drawing animals, one about sketching but the main one was always pic related (there are 3 editions, pic is the latest newest version).

anyway villpu always went with technology so nowadays his main knowhow is in the video courses (which you can pirate in video course thread) or you get access to them if you buy the pic related.

Hello beg. I didn't post the past few days because I was working on this. The prompt wasn't made for me but I picked it up. Spent about 6 hours between figuring out how to perspective (didn't get it) and composition (it may be okay). I got lazy with the background, so it's even more shit than everything else. An attempt at extreme perspective was made. At least I like the face of the girl. Most importantly, I had fun with my pencil. I hope you like this drawing. Tomorrow it's back to copying KtD.

>>6772242
>>6772246
>monitors the board all day
>doesn't draw
I'm sorry anon, but you're ngmi unless you change. Draw and PYW.
>>6772100
Cool goblin.
>>6771965
Didn't you post the same goat earlier? Consider getting other references.
>>6771946
I agree with the other anon that the green area clashes with other parts, but if taken out of the composition it looks like this cool mess of leaves and greenery that you see in old masters landscapes. Overall, I like your drawing.
>>6771884
The swordsman is impressive, but the skull is not so good.
>>6771485
I feel like the jumping robot seems disconnected from the background. I'm not sure how to fix it, I would probably draw him still in contact with the railing, jumping over it, or something like that. Also since it seems to be night outside with the moon out, I would put everything into more shadow. I like it overall, thumbs up.
>>6771398
I wish I was able to feel the form.
>>6771358
Look closely at your head studies. You consistently place eyes too far apart. Fix this issue. Identify others and fix them too.
>>6771204
I am surprised no one replied to this, do people think it's AI? The colours are very cool, but I think it may have been better with lineart. Though I cannot visualize it fully so I may be wrong.
>>6770918
I already commented on the previous version, but this is very nice. I see improvement.
>>6769218
I feel like the feet may be too small. Otherwise thumbs up for adventurous rugged wild west skeleton.

>>6772426
So this... is the power of SOVLKINO

>6772426
Why are you mass replying when you draw like that, anon?

>>6772466
NTA. Whats wrong with mass replying? There's a lot of art with barely anyone giving feedback. Just a few posts back anons where starving for attention.

>>6772426
soul

How do I make my sketches look like this? Does he lower the opacity for the eyes? I always get hairy lines

all female drawings on this thread were made for my strong character btw

does floating with forward momentum make sense with this.

>>6772490
arm looks too strong

>>6772471
you sound like you never used a pencil in your life

>>6772176
Huh. I like it!
>>6772242
Me too haha that’s so funny haha. I post late at night before bed because I’m too fucking busy all day long so as soon as I wake up I check /ic/ haha. (._.)
>>6772305
Simple and /beg/, but not too bad. I’d recommend mostly just drawing with line and doing a bunch of studies of figures fast, instead of coloring and rendering each one. You need mileage more than you do practicing finishing your work. In the time it takes you to do that colored one, you could have done several line drawings, getting better with each one. Damn good for a first attempt at construction, you’re gonna make it. Don’t be down on yourself.
Would/10.
>>6772347
The form. You’re feeling it, king.
>>6772390
How do I into faces like yours?>>6772426
Ceiling Cat and Spurdo are a nice touch. SOVL. You had fun with your pencil and tackled something that forced you to grow. GMI.
>>6772240
Thanks, Anon. <3
>>6772471
Post an example of your own sketches so we can compare and tell you.
>>6772490
I’d reference American comic books. They have a lot of floating figures. Or maybe even people on hoverboards and segways, their body language as they move forward. The anatomy needs work, especially her armpit/shoulder/boob junction. It would probably read more floaty if we could see her feet and a shadow a bit underneath to give the idea she’s floating. Cool hair, nice face, good bob shape; overall appealing. Keep going!
>>6772466
>he doesn’t know
NGMI

>>6772515
>bob shape
Autocorrect is turning me Indian
>>6772490
Pls show vegana sir very sxy

>>6772426
pawell the eyes are not too far apart stop saying this.

>>6772242
/c/ seems to be better than /ic/ for this ego stroking stuff.
Also, I work from home so I'm here all day bro, I know the feeling. This board is slow af during daylight hours

Keys to Drawing: Project 1C
The drawing on the left was trying to recreate the GIMP pepper from memory and the right used it as a reference. The overall shape got messed up but it I'm learning to be okay with it not looking perfect right away. Relatively happy with how it came out

>>6772556
FUCK EXIF ORIENTATION!
Whatever you I assume can still see, Just turn your eyes sideways

>>6771941
looking for more critique on what I did yesterday, trying to determine what specifically I should learn about today
so far I got
>learn applied force
>learn to draw feet better

is there any other specifics you guys would recommend? thanks!!

side note, but I'm having way more fun than I expected with learning to draw. obviously I'm still very early on so it's still infatuation, but hopefully this feeling stays

>>6772474
It's fucking Zyzz, brah.

Good fun for a warmup.

>>6772589
You did some good effort for the form. I wouldn't recommend anything besides just drawing 5 more drawings from reference of similar time investment.You didn't quite catch the small changes in mass for her. Arm, butt and thighs most noticeably.
I think it would be beneficial for you gave this drawing a fresh start, try to be as precise as possible. On the other hand, get a different one you like and copy that as precisely as possible. That there will be some inconsistencies is a given. The only way to get a feel for them is by making a shitton of reference drawings though.
QRD: draw another.

>>6772603
thanks!!
yeah I was definitely planning to try drawing another one today, possibly of a different model

so basically right now it's just making sure I draw a ton and try to be more accurate to the form? I've also been reading "keys to drawing", though I haven't been doing any of the example exercises like drawing my own eye and stuff.

>>6772608
>making sure I draw a ton and try to be more accurate to the form?
Pretty much. Look at the thing you're drawing, try drawing it, check if it looks like the thing you were drawing ad infinitum.

>keys to drawing
Haven't read it, but it's probably worth a shot. As long as you can see the things that don't look quite right in your own work, you'll always figure out something new to study.
Between drawings from reference, master studies (drawings from drawn references, really) and studying from books, you have your work cut out for you. Most importantly work on the things you think are fun or valuable, always aim for excellence.

>>6772620
also, at what point should I attempt drawing from memory/imagination?
I just have a gut feeling that only ever drawing from reference will end up hurting me in the future when I want to make my own designs/situations, like pic rel
or is that not something I should worry about right now?

>>6772635
>I just have a gut feeling that only ever drawing from reference will end up hurting me in the future when I want to make my own designs/situations, like pic rel
Yes, but your call desu. My preferred gameplan is
>think of idea I want to create
>Make 3-5 studies of the poses, faces, bodyparts or whatever I would need to pull this off
>Work on the thing I envisioned using references as I see fit
>After I'm done write up whatever I think sucked, post on /ic/ and write down feedback
>Do 3-5 studies based on what I sucked at
Repeat until you're a pro. Sometimes I just copy references, but it's more fun and more useful to create something a bit outside your comfort zone.

Another idea is take things like your pic and put a spin on it. Create something new based on what you like. Infinite possibilities, really, but have to embrace the suck.

>>6772471
>>6772509
>you sound like you never used a pencil in your life.
it's not a pencil but a digital brush.
>>6772515
>Post an example of your own sketches so we can compare and tell you.
my brush has a slight paper texture attached, not sure if that helps

>>6772650
>Another idea is take things like your pic and put a spin on it. Create something new based on what you like. Infinite possibilities, really, but have to embrace the suck.
See a character you like? Now draw it as a clown. Then draw the clown version of your character with bat wings riding a flying donkey. Then draw this clown character and the flying donkey rescuing a little loli princess from an evil ugl bastard. Then pull an M. Night Shamalamadingdong and it turns out the clown was the ugly bastard all along and one who was killed was the hero who was dressed up as the ugly bastard villain on purpose. Now draw the ugly bastard riding his flying donkey with the loli princess over his shoulder going straight in the direction of his secret evil clown lair.

ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES!!!

>study construction
>it gets harder to draw from imagination
I spend more time trying to make the box look right than actually drawing

>>6772652
I am not seeing your problem. Yours look very similar to >>6772471

>>6772692
I'll try with a new drawing, maybe I'm just having a bad time.

>>6772594
nice sick cunt.

Literally just feel the forms. Stop paying attention to the "details".

Also try looking at your face in a giant flat screen far away. It changes dramatically and has this weird creepy morphing look happening. Its because your mind literally invent what it sees. There is no objective visuals. When I realized this even without practice my art improve a lot.

Is "the fastest way to improve illustration" a good book for someone who's only just trying to start taking art seriously? Someone directed it my way.

am I really supposed to just copy it?

>show an actually good artist friend my art for the first time
>he tells me it's good and to stop shitting on myself so much
bring me back down to earth /ic/ i don't want these good vibes. tell me he was lying to me.

>>6772745
your art is probably mediocre and he didnt want to hurt your feelings
keep practicing and improving

>>6772745
he tried to tell you what you wanted to hear and to shut you up
clearly you are retarded and annoying to be around
as evidenced by you asking to get harsh critique
without posting your work

>>6772745
You're probably good. Always do the opposite of what /ic/ says. No one giving critiques on /ic/ actually draws. It's just a bunch of catty gay men.

>>6772748
just what i thought, thank you anon.

>>6772749
you're right, i looked through my work for something to post but it all looked too shit so i didn't attach any but that's even more embarassing i guess. here, have my least incriminating sketch/exercise. i'd post a finished piece but i have literally never finished a single piece.

>>6772751
this is true, but the opposite can also be true at the same time.

>>6772724
Zyzz blessed this thread, amen.

>>6772652
Your work looks good. The key differences I could spot:
The original pic having more defined/more fatty limbs. Yours use straight lines more by comparison.
His use of lines instead of a solid color for the irises gives it more texture.
Since the linework in his is more messy it gives a wilder feel as well.
The pose or the perspective feel more forced and dynamic.

>>6772734
>Libgen dot is. Naoki Saito, The Fastest Way to Improve your Illustration.
Based on flipping through it, I'd say it might have some good pointers, but you may be too inexperienced to get them. Since the examples you posted are basic sketches, the book could open you up to new ideas of how you should use composition, value, how to practice etc.
I'd suggest DLing it, reading it and after a few months coming back to it.

>>6772742
To the best of your ability. Capture the spirit not the lines.

>>6772745
You're a good artist, but he who has the most fighting spirit triumphs all. Get back to work, anon.

>>6772635
>also, at what point should I attempt drawing from memory/imagination?
Whenever you want. After you draw from reference put it away and try to draw from memory. If it's a simple reference try to draw it exact from memory and then get a new sheet and now draw it rotated or altered in some way.

>>6772759
>i'd post a finished piece but i have literally never finished a single piece.
>but i have literally never finished a single piece
>never finished a single piece
>never finished a piece
i regret having spent the time to solve a captcha to answer you - twice
kill yourself

>>6772772
perfect, that's the contempt i'm looking for.

>>6772773
Just finish One Piece for the love of goda. Just try, force yourself. Bleed out your ass if you have to. Finishing one single drawing/painting as soon as possible will do far more good than grinding studies forevermore.

>>6772765
>Your work looks good. The key differences I could spot:
The original pic having more defined/more fatty limbs. Yours use straight lines more by comparison.
His use of lines instead of a solid color for the irises gives it more texture.
Since the linework in his is more messy it gives a wilder feel as well.
The pose or the perspective feel more forced and dynamic.
thanks, I will try to experiment more.

>>6772765
>To the best of your ability. Capture the spirit not the lines.
am I doing this right? Yes I'm very new

>>6771645
He's a hack that leeches off better more renowned artists. You should see his kangaroo and then you'll know never to learn from him again. I hope you didn't pay for his shit!

>>6772789
>inb4 digitallet
I'm sorry. Really. I'd do traditional (for training mostly since I really wanna do digital) but I live with my parents and little bro and they're really fucking annoying with privacy and I really need it to concentrate at all with this sort of stuff and they'd ask a lot of questions. At least I got this tablet for nearly free and I can actually draw and concentrate on it

>>6772789
Doing well enough. Try to keep in mind why Vilppu uses certain lines. He likes to emphasize the fat and the muscle of the form, while you in your attempt don't do it as much. Consult some muscle diagrams at some point, but keep on. You'll get it when you get it.

>>6772795
Never apologize for the circumstances of your own life. Noone has it easy, but if someone can't understand that you are in a tough spot and making the best of your situation, they can fuck off.

day 22
So I remembered what I had in mind yesterday, I had this idea that perspective is LITERALLY just radiating lines, if you can draw straight lines that collide in some far away point you're golden
I'm going away on a little vacation, im gonna be drawing in my sketchbook instead for like a week
>post pics/scans
no
well maybe yes actually that's not a terrible idea, if im not too shitfaced to remember
>>6772589
you need
1. FORCE
2. PROPORTIONS
Loomis has you covered on the second one
Also the way you're doing construction doesn't work, look at hampton or vilppu or just don't do construction, it distracts you from the force
>>6772426
I KNOOOW
>>6772466
since when is there some skill requirement for CHADreplying?

>>6772808
Pretty cute, anon.
>I'm going away on a little vacation, im gonna be drawing in my sketchbook instead for like a week
I hope you have a grand time.
Try to be a little ballsy, sit down in a public space and draw your surroundings. It's always good fun.

>>6772734
I mean, I like your cartoon style. I would just improve on that, unless you really wanna draw anime or something

>taking a picture of your art and trusting it even though wide angle phone camera literally distort the image

>>6772515
>faces
i still don't know what i'm doing, at this stage the only advice i can give is to follow the perspective you set up and draw what you see

>>6772808
>Also the way you're doing construction doesn't work
cam you expand on this? because frankly construction is my least favorite park so far in my learning experience so far

>>6772742
>>6772789
>>6772795
First: If you want to do digital then do digital. Crabs that shit on others because of their chosen medium will get their reckoning on the Day Of The Pot.

Second: Anon, this is not the “Vilppu Drawing Manual” book that actually teaches you how to draw. This book, “figure drawing demonstrations step by step,” is just showing the steps he takes when he draws. It’s not actually an instructional course teaching the way of Vilppu. I just want to make sure you’re aware. You need to go through the Vilppu Drawing Manual before this book. Or at the very least in addition to this book. It does look like you’re getting the idea though which is pretty good. GMI

>>6772828
>>6772808
also what sort of study have you been doing to get that good by day 22? I'm only on day 3 but you feel a light year away!! please let me in on what sort of study curriculum you have

>>6772808
>I'm going away on a little vacation
Based, have fun my dude!
Focus on your vacation man you can always upload after it or something, you don't owe us anything.
Your stuff l;ooks nice btw!
I do feel like the dudes arm is stretches too far out

>>6772765
>Naoki Saito, The Fastest Way to Improve your Illustration.
Any pdf?

>>6772831
>Second: Anon, this is not the “Vilppu Drawing Manual” book that actually teaches you how to draw. This book, “figure drawing demonstrations step by step,” is just showing the steps he takes when he draws. It’s not actually an instructional course teaching the way of Vilppu. I just want to make sure you’re aware. You need to go through the Vilppu Drawing Manual before this book. Or at the very least in addition to this book. It does look like you’re getting the idea though which is pretty good. GMI
oh fuck I had no idea, well I'mma take a look at that.
>>6772800
>Try to keep in mind why Vilppu uses certain lines. He likes to emphasize the fat and the muscle of the form, while you in your attempt don't do it as much.
I see, I was under the impression I could attempt to do the same but I feel like I'll need a different approach, or at least a better understanding of line weight and general shading
>Consult some muscle diagrams at some point, but keep on.
hmmm, I do have a lot of stuff I saved for later on twitter/pinterest, I'll have to look at them indeed

I'm gonna check out this other book mentioned to see if I can get a clearer view of what I need to understand before coming back to this.

>>6772861
Go to the site libgen dot is (my preferred site for downloading books), search for "Naoki Saito The Fastest Way to Improve your Illustration" and choose one of the mirrors for download. Nr. 2 worked for me, click on "Get" if you choose the same.

>>6772863
Keep experimenting. Try to copy a complex drawing as autistically as you can for instance. This is one of those things you'll instantly get once you try it enough times.

>>6772828
Figure Drawing: Design and Invention: Hampton, Michael
>>6772840
yeah the arm's fucked lol
>>6772833
it's not my 22nd day of drawing it's my 22nd day of blogging daily exercises lol
>please let me in on what sort of study curriculum you have
Come up with a drawing exercise you can't do and then get good enough that it looks passable and then move on to a harder exercise

>>6772822
Thank you anon, that's mainly what I want to do (the first thing you said), just not entirely sure where to start.

>>6772874
Got it thanks, had to enable ads apparently for it to work

This week it's 1 minute gesture sessions each 30 min. I feel like I can do it more efficient somehow in 1 minute but this is the best I can do

>>6772888
Look great, gmi

Figure Drawing for What It's Worth or Perspective Made Easy first?

Im the goblin anon, I made a new sketch.
Not really loving the pose or the anatomy nor anything but im too /beg/ to even know what to improve
Open to suggestion
https://litter.catbox.moe/gyzwpj.jpeg

Last year I posted here a bit of my rambling how I draw and I generally don't enjoy it.
But one Anon motivated me hard to enough to actually sit on my ass and study drawing for real. Dunno if that Anon is still around, but just wanted to send my thanks, that's it.
Also I attach a related my doddles from march and today just to show how I improved a bit.

Is this head too small?

>>6772902
I think your works will look more visually interesting and correct if you learned perspective first

after copying some anime heads I tried to draw some from imagination.. it's hard

>>6772921
>how i got my shrunken head

high speed tomfoolery

>>6772913
This is insanely good anon, not the anon that you mention but this is still good.
>Also I attach a related my doddles from march and today just to show how I improved a bit.
a bit is low anon, you improved really fast for just a couple of months, don't sell yourself short!
What'd you do to improve this much anon?

>>6772791

>>6772926
おまえは描き上手ですね!

i wasn’t going to draw today but i would have felt like a disappointment so here you go folks

experimented with colored pencils today

>>6772936
>What'd you do to improve this much anon?
Honestly just drawing lol
I just was drawing every single day for at least 2 hours, and having some kind of schedule. Like for example, on Mondays I was drawing heads, on Tuesdays legs and arms etc.
And also after I was done with studying, I was grabbing some random pic from internet and trying to copy to my best abilities.

Sup beg. Two point perspective.

>>6772904
anon get a pen, sharpie, marker, ink dipper, ballpoint, fine liner or anything like that and when you are ready use it to "finalize" your drawing. it will give you extra practice in line confidence and make it look way more awesome
>>6772902
you didnt pyw so we dont know how beg you are. so i will assume the worst: keys to drawing
>>6772826
if you increase the distance between camera and drawing then the distortion will be smaller. one of many useless trivial i learned by doing multiple perspective books :-)
>>6772745
>didnt PYW
none of what you said happened
>>6772742
you have old version, download the new one from here >>6772412 (bottom right corner)
>just copy it
btw you say just like copying is easy but soon you will find out how not easy it is
>>6772734
all i see are turbo low effort cartoon doodles lacking form, rendering, perspective, backgrounds, appeal and are riddled with symbol drawing. Keys to drawing.
>>6772662
drawing boxes is actually kinda complex and not trivial at all. pic very much related lmao
>>6772556
nice beg pepper
>>6772528
not everybody who mass replies is me lmao
>>6772426
lmao. is this supposed to be fish eye perspective?
>>6772242
you need to get a girlfriend
>>6772229
almost all figure drawing books do that. tomfoxdraws, vilppu, hampton, bridgeman, morpho, hogarth...
>>6772020
people so sketches before they start rendering because it is easier to fix sketch than fully rendered piece
>>6772016
cute
>>6771946
SOUL
>>6771936
Hogarth Drawing the Human Head, Bridgman Heads Features and Faces, Loomis Drawing the Head and Hands, Hamm Drawing the Head and Figure
>>6771941
try to use real life photos as ref for studies, you dont want to learn hentai/anime anatomy
>>6771900
to cope with small canvas you either draw only part of body OR you draw really small figure. canvas size is one of the biggest weaknesses of tradchads
>>6771465
yes, when the work is really bad (no fundies) then i suggest that book

>>6772957
pawell, havent you been doing beg exercises for years now? Where is your work and why haven't you improved? It actually scares me a bit

>>6772943
>おまえは描き上手ですね!
そうではありませんが、ありがとうございます。

>>6772921
>>6772930
is this ok

>>6772964
wait fuck no that left hand is fucking awful oh god

>>6771257
I wanted to ask, should I just grab a book(like one of vilppu) and practice the examples that it has?

I entered some weird mental period for the last two weeks and was unable to get to drawing. Nothing felt right.
I feel normal again so you can expect me to be back on my grind starting tomorrow. Sorry for slacking off.

>>6772971
pyw

>>6772978

>>6772426
nice job, anon. its almost like a frame from a masaaki yuasa animation. keep pushing the bounds of your comfort zone, even if it results in a bit of jank sometimes. A tip I would give for extreme forced perspective like this is to increase the lineweight of the objects in the foreground, like the feet and trouser legs of the two fighters. This would also be aided by more confident, smoother lines on the feet of the left figure, they are a bit chicken scratchy as-is. Some overlapping of the background figures as they recede into the distance might also help to indicate depth

At this point, now that I have a decent amount of experience, how many years should I continue drawing for if I want to become a skilled artist by social media standards in general? I can do a finished piece of the quality of pic related in 2 days without much problems if you want to compare.

>>6773003
Wait two days to do that? The Swat Kat thread was created today.

>>6773008
I sketched and inked it yesterday then finished coloring it today.

>>6771257
https://youtu.be/uaFOzDESHPY

>>6772965
>>6772964
I'll finish this later I really need to learn gestures better

>>6772957
>not everybody who mass replies is me lmao

I have known you for years I can clock your smugness a mile away

>>6773052
fishe

>>6771314
floating ballsack: the return

i want to switch it up and do something other than figure drawing practice tonight
aside from simple perspective, what's another good /beg/ training?

>>6773081
drawing vehicles and machines

>>6773061
draw bigger so you can get more anatomy details in otherwise its harder to ditch the symbol drawing you got going on

>>6773083
good that you mention those, because i saw picrelated recently and i was wondering what the steps are towards being able to draw this myself
is it just a bunch of perspective and visual library studies?

>>6771059
I think the head of her femur shouldn't be far from the skin

standup and touch your femur head
there is a reason her hips are gigantic

>>6773084
I only have tiny sketch book but I'll invest in a bigger one! Thanks,

Need crit pls

>>6773094
she has a lot of subcutaneous fat on her thighs

>>6773097
I think some parts like the face and the things on his belt could use more details or a less textured brush to make them stand out.

Also the luminance seems a bit uniform but maybe it's just my screen being too orange.

>>6773097
your values are all over the place which makes your piece muddy and ruins the comp

>>6773117
Thanks

>>6773097
more details and cleaner where the light hits leaving the more shadowy areas impressionistic, simple little trick
also applies to more detail and rendering given to focal points and less to less important/non-focal points

Not a lot of spare time today. Early start tomorrow. I only put the other girl in and half assed the background. Still, better then nothing. Let's see what I do tomorrow.

Decided to practice painting some spheres today. Top row was done with a soft round brush while bottom row was hard round. Thoughts?

>>6773094
>>6773112
I think you are right
the bone proportions don't seem to be as ridiculous as it looks

>>6773145
>>6773112
but still
I didn't know women can deposit this much fat on the femur head area
it is still unresolved to me

How do I git gud at gesture and posing? I've been doing a lot of gesture drawing and studying art books and that has helped but I'm still struggling to draw natural looking, not stiff poses. Would delving into anatomy study be helpful?

>>6773203
post progress otherwise it gets hard to help

>>6773203
>Would delving into anatomy study be helpful?
absolutely bro. You can't write a good song without chords and harmony

>>6772942
excuse me but what the fuck is this

>>6773266
you must be very new here

went to a studio for the first time where they had nude models
EVERY
SINGLE
FUCKING
MALE MODEL
had a bigger penis than me
not even close too, at least 1+inch in circumference and length
what do I do

>>6773203
If your poses are stiff, chances are you need to work on 3D form.

>>6773270
i am

>>6773137
bounce light too bright, quint and it is the same as your main light, you've ruined it, remove the light from your shadow and make your core darker, that will create bounce

>>6773271
what kind of a life drawing studio has multiple male models, all nude at the same time?

>>6773276
not all at the same time, went a few times and they had different models, but every single one was bigger

>>6773271
I mean 99% of pornography depicts men with heavily above average penises so you might as well start with life. Also it's tough to tell how big someone is actually unless they're maintaining a raging erection the whole time.

>>6773271
so just draw them with a way smaller penis

>>6773271
are you a grower or a shower anon?

>>6773274
I tried my best anon :(
I'm new to painting

>>6773294
im telling you how to fix it for next time, have your light and your shadow, create your core and darken your core to create your bounce, don't add light to your shadow side

wip for today

>>6773301
makes sense. I downloaded the meds map course and just followed how he did it in his video. Thanks for the advice

>>6773290
I prefer bathing

Saw >>6768260 and just had to try.
3 hours.

is it normal to feel overwhelmed as a beginner, being unsure what to study specifically?

>>6773337
i am experiencing that, so i assume it is

Hello kings, what are your thoughts on Photobashing?
>Pic related one of my drawings
I 3d modelled a little gnome house and painted over it in its entirety, the sky and snow however are from Adobe Stocks, i'm not good at this but i still enjoy it quite alot regardless of how time consuming it can be, i'm oughta learn to improve on how lighting properly works though.
I don't consider photobashing to be cheating, after all i'm using my own work and the textures i got with free trial so it's all legal.

Sup beg, today i am on fire (not really, its just the exercises are fast to do). Do you know how to open doors?

>>6773337
>overwhelmed
today i was staring in awe at the book with mouth open as it taught me how to foreshorten any angle in perspective, even how to reverse engineer it. normal
>unsure what to study
never had that, following books gives me dead certain certainty of what, when and how to learn
>>6773305
damn she is THICC
>>6773266
proko is student of vilppu, he is one of the people who run new masters academy and funnily enough he is most known not for his good studies, but for his utter failure he did on a stream
https://youtu.be/wN5ZlqfIF3M
>>6773137
learn to use FULL value range for your studies. yes, push yourself to use that 100% white and 100% black. reject blandness
>>6773133
the figures are a bit wobbly but who cares, the thots have curves on all the right places and thats what matters! damn sluts
>>6773097
it is very cool in a lot of ways, but as other anons pointed out: the foreground and background arent separated enough and the value range is chaotic. i would simply fix it by adding shades in multiply layer on top of this
>>6773085
drawing robots is basically 60% perspective 30% construction, 10% luck
>>6773003
social media are all about networking, advertising, marketing and being semi likable person. they never really were about raw skill. the furry thot is appealing
>>6772971
book or course and then following it and hoping for the best. yes.
>>6772961
>Where is your work
360 works now https://pawell2418.github.io
>why haven't you improved?
you would have to be completely blind to not notice improvements across many different skills related to drawing
>>6773040
you need to figure out how to add texture or alter light rendering so not all materials look like shiny plastic
>>6773357
vilppu said no rules, only tools. all pros with deadline trace and photobash like crazy.

>>6773357
It's fine but dont make it a crutch

>>6773305
too tired to color so just did some value desu

>>6773330
Fuck it, felt like it was kind of half assed to leave the the detailed rims on the cloth. Now I'll leave it.

>>6773364
I see all that measuring and I just want to not bother. Good on ya for sticking with the work.

i can't draw a cylinder on its side that has been tilted forward slightly in 3/4 perspective, so i guess i know what i need to practice tomorrow

her face is bad isnt it

>>6773364
>station point is how you rotate
neat

Day 4 of learning, I wanted to try doing a weird perspective just to see if I could do it

Honestly i'm surprised with how well I did, of course there's still a ton that needs to be worked on but I did my best to do proper construction and keep the proportions in line, and I feel like it turned out better than what I did yesterday

as always, please critique and tell me what I need to work on, feel free to be harsh as long as it's constructive

Day 4 of learning, I wanted to try doing a weird perspective just to see if I could do it

Honestly i'm surprised with how well I did, of course there's still a ton that needs to be worked on but I did my best to do proper construction and keep the proportions in line, and I feel like it turned out better than what I did yesterday

as always, please critique and tell me what I need to work on, feel free to be harsh as long as it's constructive

(deleted previous post because as soon as I posted it, I saw the bridge of the nose was off center, its still not perfect but)

I've begun copying bridgeman

>>6772946
Based
>>6772863
> I'm gonna check out this other book mentioned
Good. You can also download the renaissance figure drawing course from the /ic/ torrent.
>>6772882
>Figure Drawing: Design and Invention: Hampton, Michael
Oh right, I was working through that before I got distracted by Bridgman lol. Should get back to it…
>>6772888
Checked. They look pretty fuckin’ decent, good job! You have trouble with foreshortening, it looks like you’re maybe not quite feeling the form yet. You foreshorten by overlapping and interlocking forms in perspective. Doing Vilppu or Steve Huston or even some DrawABox would help you. I think 1m is too short to really get much learning out of a gesture drawing for me personally, so I’m quite impressed.
>>6772913
I kneel.
>>6772926
Yeah drawing is hard. They look better than what I can do, though. Keep going!
>>6772934
Excellent band name and album cover
>>6772946
Good job, but I’m proud of you no matter what, Anon.
>>6772950
Looking good desu
>>6772957
Just looking at that makes my head hurt.
>>6772974
I’ll be watching your career with interest. When nothing feels right, try to draw circles. And then contour lines on the circles. And then you’ll either suddenly get the will to draw again, or you’ll feel good about yourself for getting some practice in. Always take the time to draw something which energizes and soothes you personally to avoid burnout. Some like boobs, others flowers, others Pokémon. I’m an ass man myself, but the point is to draw what you like once in a while. Drawing for pleasure and not just for practice.
>>6772983
I sense great potential in you.
>>6773003
Cute. Worry about pleasing yourself. If you like it, so will others. And if they don’t like it, they can go fuck themselves.
>>6773016
Stiff and lifeless, but EVERYTHING else is on point. You need to spend some time grinding lively, fluid gestures rather than jumping right into construction. Gesture is all that’s missing.

>>6773370
Minor issues but the foundation (the ass) is great

>>6773492
hey anon, i love your anatomy references there, would you mind giving me any specific critique? im seeing that some of the perspective on the eyes and mouth is weird, but anything else? primarily in regards to figure/gesture/construction >>6773473

weird question but
what's the most effective method to post traditional drawings without carrying about loss of quality?
having a google images auto sync to camera roll?

>>6773508
>>6773473
Oh my, thank you. I suck at faces lol so I’m not qualified to redline this. I’mma do it anyway. Forgive the /beg/ness. You’re drawing lines to make the outlines of 2d shapes instead of drawing the contours of 3d forms. This can often lead to flattening out shirtsleeves, or making the side of the face one single smooth unbroken line instead of the lumps and bumps formed by the masses of the cheek, eyelids, brow, etc. Feeling the form and drawing “in 3d” is a mindfuck to get your head around, so don’t feel too bad. I think that for day 4 of learning, this is an incredible result. You’re already beginning to see. Yes, there’s still work to be done on that front, but that will just come with practice. I recommend doing the exercises from keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain to learn to see and try to break your symbol drawing. (drawing what you think you see instead of what you actually see.)

After that, doing a bit of DrawABox lessons will help with feeling the form and understanding construction, as well as with line confidence. Don’t get caught in the trap of mindlessly grinding though. Do DrawABox lessons and exercises as a warmup before you do your other stuff like drawing for fun (which should ideally be at least 50% of everything you draw) or following a hentai tutorial or whatever else floats your goat. Just so you don’t get bogged down grinding studies. Once you’re at the point of intersecting forms or the sausage exercise in DAB, you’ll be ready to do Vilppu’s drawing manual or figure drawing video course. Having a rudimentary ability to feel the form will help you hit the ground running when you study other things.

Beyond that, I think you would be better served by higher resolution references so that you’re not left guessing so much about the hands and stuff. And also using references where you can see the whole figure/head you’re trying to draw.

You’re gonna make it, Anon.

do you guys ever get too lazy to finish a piece? I need to fix my current drawing by finding some specific references and redrawing parts of it and I think it'd look okay but I honestly just don't feel like bothering

>>6772957
every time pawell complements my drawing my heart grows a few sizes

>>6773364
>wobbly
Yeah, I'm out of practice. I took a month off to paint a Warhammer army. I'll try to draw with more confidence.

>>6773562
Leave /ic/ immediately. You are two complements away from severe cardiomegaly.

Any feedback on my helmet design? I'm really inexperienced with designing in general would appreciate some pointers

>>6773364
Thanks, today i will Try to fix the values and the background, maybe i will post the fu ed version tris evening or tomorrow

>>6773273
it is a meme from prominent Youtube art teacher Proko who tried to draw something from imagination and humiliated himself on camera by being visibly unable to draw despite posing as an art teacher. In the end his picture looked like some aborted monster fetus which the internet promptly refined as it is pictured on >>6772942

Here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

>>6773364
>today i was staring in awe at the book with mouth open as it taught me how to foreshorten any angle in perspective
Which perspective books are you studying from right now? I forgot to write down some you mentioned before.

I've read bits of Norling's Perspective Made Easy years ago, but I want to study a perspective book after I give Vilpu's a first pass.

>>6773599
>Don't wait 10 years to draw from imagination.
No wonder various sources, including /asg/, recommend studying from reference then recreating the same thing from imagination. It's something that you just have to train and learn.

>>6773616
I'm a huge proponent of memory drawing, but it's not enough by itself. You have to really just dive into imagination drawing. Creating your own oc is a great exercise for that, even if you're just doing standing poses over and over again, iterating on their design

>>6773609
https://pawell2418.github.io/wisdom.html

>>6773781
this nigga

It’s this any better?

>>6773781
Thanks, m8.

>>6773864
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new beg slop
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>>6773364
>book or course and then following it and hoping for the best. yes
which one should i use?
>>6773492
>I sense great potential in you.
Thanks! do you have any advice for me?

>>6772942
Let's see you do better then
PYW

>>6772426
Certified SOVL

What can I do to improve here? It looks weird, is it the coloring?