/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>le 4d chess pajeet demoralizarion post
yawn.

If ai ever takes over and the rich somehow decide not to kill us all because we're not needed anymore and just wasting oxygen, we'll all be living in pods and collecting welfare, maybe we'll do 5 hours of useless work a week not to go completely insane but the world AI shills promote is one of neverending leisure and enjoyment until you die at 95.

So what the fuck are you going to do all day? Modern video games suck dick, TV shows are ass, working out is based but you can only do it so much in a day, collecting Funko pops will be forbidden as they'll impose plastic quotas and normies will be hiking and going out all the time so even this will become cringe. Drawing anime tiddies is a good way to stay sane even if nobody gives a fuck or pays you for it.

>>6602345
I hear you expressing your worries regarding AI and its potential impact on the future of human-made art. While it's undeniable that AI technology is advancing rapidly and may eventually be able to create art in any style and with any level of sophistication, I'd like to offer a different perspective.

Art is not merely about the end result or the technical proficiency involved in creating it. Rather, it's also about the human experience, the emotions and stories that we express through art. Learning the fundamentals of drawing, composition, and color theory can help you hone your unique voice and style, allowing you to express yourself in a way that AI may never be able to fully replicate.

>>6602371
Yup, humans are creative and curious by nature. We'll find new hobbies and interests we haven't even thought of yet, and new forms of entertainment will pop up too. Sure, some things might get restricted or be less popular, but that doesn't mean we'll run out of things to do. Drawing anime tiddies might just be the thing to keep us sane in a world dominated by AI. Who knows, people might still create and enjoy art even with all this AI stuff around.
Hummans are adaptable and will always find ways to express themselves and have a good time, even when things change a lot.

>>6602382
https://twitter.com/egoraptor/status/1631717906357579778

>Youtoober post
Using this to prop up some points but to mix my thoughts
>AI just isn't going to poof out of existence, regardless of how you want it to go away.
>You most likely don't hate AI art. Rather what it stands for. You will be in conflict when you see someone who makes actual good stuff about it.
>Current prompt-based image generators are counterintuitive to typical digital art workflow unless you're a photobasher or photo editor. Does not mean that it will be the scope of those AI tools forever (think improved AI assisted lighting, img2img based perspective generator, better filters for photobashing etc.), like nigger CSP's hand detection tool is amazing for speeding up hand drawings.
>Its going to get regulated. It just has to be. AI is too powerful of a tech and as much as it can be used for good, it can be used for nefarious purposes. (Pic related, also we already have issues with data privacy)
>Once the better AI tools start to exist, you'll be like a professional player with cheats on in a game full of noob ass cheaters.

>>6602345
>>/r9k/

>>6602345
The more threads i have to post my kawaii shitty cats in, so don't feel too bad OP

>>6602345
>waaaah the machine took my job
Get off Twitter, idiot. Work on your craft. How else are you gonna sit through hours of drawing, if not for enjoyment?

Either you do it as a hobby, have fun and don't give a fuck since ultimately nothing changes for you or you want to do it professionally and you're fucked. That's the two options available to you.

You might as well be dead whenever AI replaces artists completely and all you have done all your life is hesitate because you're afraid. This counts for anything, not just art.

>>6602345
>The sad reality is though that I have nothing else. I have literally nothing else in my life but art. But AI ruined all of my hopes and dreams.
1. stop doing coom/smut (if applicable)
2. go full trad (if applicable)
3. stop complaining like a little girl and grow some mf beard (unless you're a little girl already, then avoid the beard plz)
4. study your cultural roots as a source of inspiration

AI will only help making things that are already shitty in many ways less profitable; it's a blessing.

>>6602345
What aspect of AI art are you exactly afraid of OP?

Are you afraid of losing career and income because art jobs like illustration being taken over by AI?
Are you afraid of your fundie and compositional skills becoming obsolete in the face of AI?
Or is it more existential concern like the Soul of art and your identity as an artist?

>>6602345
bugs own nothing eat pod get in the bugs nothing will own you where the fuck are the jannies

>>6602398

>looks at name

of course...

>>6602345
pyw to prove that you aren't a street shitting troll. What's your art goal and what do you want to achieve anyway?

>>6602345
Enjoy the fact the consumerists, hacks and grifters are going to filter themselves out and there will only be people who actually are passionate about art remaining in the community.

>my fellow anons i deeply apologize for another dreaded disasterous AI thread
JANNY WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUU

>>6602398
>That tweet
Jeez, what a ghoul you'd have to do something like that.
I agree with most of what you're saying, it has more to do with what the world of art we'll look like for me, since there's a good chance nobody will pick up a pencil or do anything by "themselves" ever again.
The constant sudden trolling and clear hate a lot of AI stans have for artists also didn't make the situation more palatable, it just left a bad taste in my mouth even if though I have nothing inherently against someone using AIs to generate images.

>>6602345

nah... people WILL get bored of it. Most of my non artist friend can recognize AI generated shit just by looking at it. AI even if it becomes the norm will just be another cheap shit on the market. People won't put a value on it. Eventually people are going to demand a proof of work. A video showing that it's the work of an artist not some kid writing words on a generator. You are safe. Legit studios won't rely on this shit. And I'm keeping videos and post of the popular artist siding with AI so I can shit on them when this shit is dying and the people behind it get their fair share of karma.

>>6602371
This, AI is gonna work for us. So you better find a nicd hobby Op.

>>6602433
Good question. I don't understand neither op doesn't like to draw after all.

>>6602398
>You most likely don't hate AI art. Rather what it stands for. You will be in conflict when you see someone who makes actual good stuff about it.
I can hate both. you can hate one thing for a million reasons. I won't be in conflict with AI, for the same reason I won't be in conflict when someone made something with photobashing, tracing (for non learning purposes) or copy pasting (for non learning purposes).

>>6602345
Anon, if drawing isn't fun for you, then why are you doing it in the first place? While drawing is not *only* fun to me, and not fun all the time, it is definitely fun sometimes. The challenge of it is fun, as are the creativity and the enjoyment of a good result.

Why is drawing still worthwhile?

If you practice drawing, you will strengthen your brain-to-hand connection.

If you devise your own pictures, you will improve your ability to visualize, and you will become more creative.

If you learn perspective, proportion, anatomy and other subjects that inform the art of drawing, you will increase your understanding, and thus your appreciation, of not only art but also nature, and will derive greater pleasure from simple observation of the world around you.

The frictionless existence of having a machine do everything for you because it's "hard" and you're a big fat pussy, will not lead to greater happiness. Quite the opposite. Unplug your computer, pick up a pencil and start drawing, faggot!

"For we live in this world not by let, but by opposition." -William Rimmer

>>6602345
Hey [retard] livestream it

>>6602398
>AI just isn't going to poof out of existence, regardless of how you want it to go away
gotta love this nihilistic "it is what it is, you can't stop it" nonsense. no, the ones who make this shit need to be torched on a pyre. the picture you've posted is evidence why this needs to happen. you think the world cannot go to utter shit like the dark ages? it can and I believe that at one point it will. maybe not in my lifetime, but it definitely will

This drawing by Fuseli is titled, "The Artist Moved to Despair at the Grandeur of Ancient Ruins." Fragments of Greek sculpture unearthed during the 18th century inspired feelings of inferiority in artists of that era. We should be similarly awed, and impelled forward, by the art of past eras, not by AI. As I posted in another thread, no art made on a computer (including the ocean of AI generated slop polluting the internet) has yet topped Michelangelo, Bouguereau, Dore, Frazetta, or Fuseli for that matter. You are right to feel small, but not because of AI "art."

>>6602522
obviously. AI targets the top 5% of artists, so of course what it spits out will be better than a lot of people who draw at a basic level. personally, this still makes me envious towards the top 5% of artists, just like before. because it's still their work that's being regurgitated

>>6602516
Stop inciting violence chud, unless you want to end up like that pollard neckbeard

>>6602345
>I'm sure some of you genuinely have fun working hard and being a shitty beg who makes shitty drawing after shitty drawing, but *I don't have fun with it*, truth be told.

If you're not pursuing a career and art genuinely doesn't bring you joy, then find a hobby that does. I'm just annoyed at the idea guys masquerading as artists with AI.

I'll still draw no matter how good AI gets because I enjoy drawing and improving. AI will always outperform me, but so will WLOP, Ruan Jia, and Kim Gung Gi. What's another bigger fish in the ocean?
AI is a Pandora's Box opened, and we can't just doompost until they roll out the Amazon indentured servant activity pods. Hobbyists will reflect on why they even started their art journey, and professionals will have to learn to use AI to keep up at the expense of making their occupation monotonous and soulless.

>ITT: Medicinal grade Copeium
You're damn right.

>>6602535
AI isnt a bad thing considering it filters out cumbrains who only do soulless fan porn commissions, and chinks that wageslave for garbage mobile trash #1403, see : >>6602427

>>6602549
you're talking to a tranime schizoid who faps to generic weebshit that was also mutilated and contorted by software, it's impossible to explain to him that AI looks like shit when he does this. it's like trying to tell a coprophile that shit tastes awful, his brain is accustomed to enjoying shit and won't see the waste he's consuming

>>6602345
ngmi+pajeet+L rizz

One of my friends told me that he company he works for has already started using pics generated by Midjourney instead of paying illustrators. Not looking so good, artcels.
>i-it's just a trend!! cope already dead

>>6602427
>3. stop complaining like a little girl and grow some mf beard (unless you're a little girl already, then avoid the beard plz)
>4. study your cultural roots as a source of inspiration
I'm an Amerimutt with a mix of cultural and ethnic roots and, due to my heritage and ethnic makeup, I can't even grow a beard, much less study any cultural roots of mine. I am a tragic product of the jewsa, I am a total identityless "individual" who doesn't have any strong roots.

>>6602413
>all you have done all your life is hesitate because you're afraid. This counts for anything, not just art.
It's interesting how from my post you were able to deduce that I am a coward and a failure in life as well but I suppose it's clear as day. I really think I'm right about AI though, and we all know it deep down. Like >>6602398 out, most artists in the future are going to be AI cheaters. Among the artists that stand out, they'll have good artistic intuition and understanding of composition and know of how to present a story, sure, but they won't have to learn the fundamentals like artists of the past did. The era of being fully human is over. I wonder if I should just find God and ditch finding any hope in the material realm altogether.

>>6602345
Do not redeem AI threads.

>>6602580
>most artists in the future are going to be AI cheaters.
I want to add that I misunderstood the point being made by >>6602398 because I'm a retard who doesn't read carefully. He meant that any professional artists will be like a cheater "god" compared to all the cheating noobs. Regardless, the noobs will still have far less barrier to entry. The already oversaturated market will become far, far worse. Sure there will be more "shovelware", but there will be more good art too, and more masterpieces. It's inevitable. It will be so much harder to stand out. Unless most of the noob cheaters only care about making coom and cutesy anime art? In which case I suppose standing out would be as simple as making something emotional and with a real message? Either way, I'm still depressed that, as I start to get good -- if that ever happens -- I'll have AI god tools at my fingertips that will make sketching, inking, and painting and rendering on my own obsolete. But there's nothing I can do but bitch about it. It fucking sucks.

>>6602579
read it again, you know it to be true>>6602552

>>6602510
I want to create a story with my own characters and my own beliefs and emotions. I don't like to read novels so writing is out of the question. I don't really like reading comics either and so drawing a comic is out of the question. But I do want to make a game. Regardless even making a game, I want to have promotional art for my game, you know? I want to have concept art of my characters.
I've also been told all my life that I was good at drawing by normies, and I believed them somewhat. Like, I got it into my head that this is what I should do, ever since I was little. I should be an artist! But I always knew I was shit, and I am now in my early-mid 20s and I'm still shit. I don't want to post anything but I guess I will post something, just to show I'm legit and not a pajeet demoralization agent like others are insinuating. And no I can't draw hands, which even AI is starting to be able to achieve now. I could probably use AI right now and make this a finished piece, which just depressed me.

>>6602586
>masterpieces
learn what this word means, learn what AI actually does, and you'll realize how asinine it is to use this word in the context of AI
> Either way, I'm still depressed that, as I start to get good -- if that ever happens -- I'll have AI god tools at my fingertips that will make sketching, inking, and painting and rendering on my own obsolete. But there's nothing I can do but bitch about it. It fucking sucks.
if you're so convinced that this will happen, why the fuck are you trying to learn now? just do nothing like the faggot who spams shitty smug anime girls all day, and wait for your magical software update. oh what's that? you're not actually sure that it will actually happen? thought so, and I'm sure it's gnawing at the other retard's brain as well despite his shitty attempts at being overconfident

>>6602598
>why the fuck are you trying to learn now?
That's literally what I made this thread to ask.

>oh what's that? you're not actually sure that it will actually happen?
I am sure that it will happen. You really think it won't? You think we'll go on without AI doing drawing for us, forever, in perpetuity?

AI is inevitable

>>6602592
>>6602552
So what if we consume Ai illustrations of a favorite character in practically unlimited styles and quantities, what have you done to produce content besides the academic study of a profile face or the usual 3/4 floating animu head in the void of space?
>>6602596
This post perfectly encapsulates the average Artist, he wants to be put under a spot light just because he drew something. You're not a special snowflake, buttercup. I believe part of the appeal from the Ai is that it essentially bypasses the Artist's paywall for attention. Nobody cares about you, we only care about the content we're interested in and the unfortunate part about it is we have to deal with the likes of you unlike with the Ai.

>>6602601
>That's literally what I made this thread to ask.
if you want my personal insight, there will always, without a doubt and question be people who will like and appreciate human art. it is ridiculous to believe that the status quo will just be artists posting their stuff on a social media website that endlessly gets spammed with AI. this stuff that happens now will eventually coagulate into something else.AI is obviously not going away, and the retards who now spam shitty AI art on Twitter and Artstation won't have the time to do that anymore as AI will take their shitty jobs, but artists as a whole will form exclusive communities as they have no choice but to leave the desolated landscape that social media like Twitter will result in. part of me actually wants this, because I fucking hate Twitter. the only thing I find disgusting is the idea that some curry eating bitch from Delhi will take my art and churn it into their machines, but on the other hand, you always had these scumbags stealing your art directly and selling it to others. the internet brought the worst out of humans, AI will be that but on steroids, and my suggestion is to just do what you like to do if you enjoy doing it because AI will only bring more shit to the shit pile. but I was never interested in the shit pile in the first place, so why would I care. do you care what normies think? you have to understand, they do not see things the same way you or I do, so their input is worthless for me. I'm not going to stop listening to good music, because 90% of people if not more listen to pure garbage. despite enjoying a basically dead musical genre and most of the world already being swamped with absolute SHIT music, I still picked up the guitar and took some training lessons because it gave me goosebumps.

>>6602607
>So what if we consume Ai illustrations of a favorite character in practically unlimited styles and quantities, what have you done to produce content besides the academic study of a profile face or the usual 3/4 floating animu head in the void of space?
so nothing, enjoy consuming garbage but don't complain you're being gatekept
>This post perfectly encapsulates the average Artist, he wants to be put under a spot light just because he drew something. You're not a special snowflake, buttercup. I believe part of the appeal from the Ai is that it essentially bypasses the Artist's paywall for attention.
your post encapsulates the average failed artist. he is seething that he has failed at ever becoming good (even though his concept of what's good is already garbage), so now he waits for his magical tool that will bring the downfall of his betters, because elevating himself is not an option to this colossal failure.
> Nobody cares about you, we only care about the content we're interested in and the unfortunate part about it is we have to deal with the likes of you unlike with the Ai
who's "we"? you're a brain damaged consoomer. I do feel for the artists who deluded themselves that people actually paid attention to the craftsmanship of their art, that is indeed their mistake. but your input is worthless. and you're not fooling anyone with your dramatic "waaah I don't care about you" bullshit. of course you care about them, that's why you're still here seething after such a long time, and you consume the content they produce. kind of a strange thing to enjoy the product of the people you hate, but it is no doubt the result of envy

>>6602401
very nice kawaii shitty cat

>>6602604
Alright we fucking get it, nigger. Find another quote to repeat from a dystopia book

>>6602398
>Pajeets are so soulless as a race that a fucking computer program is deemed to be the equivalent of a family member
Do these "people" really have such a self-centered worldview that they only perceive others as a figment of their imagination? Like fuck you Pajeet, that's a computer program, not my actual parents.

>>6602607
>. I believe part of the appeal from the Ai is that it essentially bypasses the Artist's paywall for attention. Nobody cares about you, we only care about the content we're interested in and the unfortunate part about it is we have to deal with the likes of you unlike with the Ai.
And yet you're still entirely dependent on artists making things for your picture shitters to work.

>>6602607
>I believe part of the appeal from the Ai is that it essentially bypasses the Artist's paywall for attention.
You say that as if AI users aren't going to act the exact same

>>6602624
>going to
>going
kek

>>6602607
>This post perfectly encapsulates the average Artist, he wants to be put under a spot light just because he drew something.
99% of artists want to share something with the world. They want a "spotlight". Like what are you even trying to prove here?

>Nobody cares about you, we only care about the content we're interested in and the unfortunate part about it is we have to deal with the likes of you unlike with the Ai.
Unlike me who you can ignore, you actually will have to deal with the AI. Unless you think the AI scare is a nothingburger? You think begs in despair are a bigger threat, since you have to "deal with the likes of us"? In that case you're full of it but go on, pretend like everything will go on like it did before and every artist will have to continue on drawing and mastering fundamentals without any cheat codes.
I didn't want to be hostile, I just wanted anything but the lowest grade copium or pure vitriol. But yeah I made this thread on a whim without thinking of whether it was a waste of time, I just felt like venting I guess, I dont even know. You don't have to deal with me, just filter the thread and carry on if you want.

>>6602616
I will not pretend that I do not relish in the fact that this magical tool will be the great filter for the likes of OP. How presumptuous of you to claim that I am a failed Artist, don't call me an Artist because I am not like your ilk just because I happen to draw and make illustrations in my leisure.

>>6602626
You're arguing with somebody who has never created anything of value, so of course he views it from a narrow minded consoomer mindset.

>>6602618
thank you. i very much love to draw my kawaii shitty cats and share them with the world wide web!

>>6602626
Fml once again I mistook the intention of the post. I didn't realize he was an AI apologist (I only read the paragraph under the (You)), I thought he was a contrarian artist saying we're worse than AI and should stop striving for anything. I'm gonna log off, I'm too tired.
But for real I'm not some 4d chess demotivation agent, I'm actually just an idiot beg artist who wanted to vent and was desperate to know what motivation could be had to continue when the future looks so bleak.

>>6602633
>I will not pretend that I do not relish in the fact that this magical tool will be the great filter for the likes of OP. How presumptuous of you to claim that I am a failed Artist, don't call me an Artist because I am not like your ilk just because I happen to draw and make illustrations in my leisure
your anime villain monologues about artists are quite ironic when broadly taking a look at your attitude. you fit them like a glove yourself

>>6602586
I seriously doubt sketching and painting will go away. Artists are control freaks to their works and I'm on the belief that those two are the most direct way of self expression. Image generators are compromisory by nature. The future might be more design/novelty oriented. Though trends are just going to die within a few days unless you made something actually amazing.

>>6602633
Artists who act as AI Uncle Toms are the most pathetic of all. I remember one such poster from here whose twitter feed was just boring SNK fanart yhat nobody cared about, jerking off to Halo, and trying to prove he wasn't one of "those" artists by simping for AI. Saddest shit I've ever seen.

AI bros are the most egotistical and entitled people.
They use AI to insult people so they can feel arousal.

>>6602652

>>6602345
>for how human-made art is going to survive
There will always be a novelty to human art
It will be like hand drawn portraits after color photos

>>6602645
You want to know what's really sad? You have at your disposal a magnificent tool which helps you and anybody to take a concept and visualize it through its medium to provide you with an image of an ideal yet it's shunned, ridiculed and even censored by the very same community that encourages for unbarred creativity and as the saying goes "art for the sake of art". Pic related is that very same community of vapid and narcissistic "real artists" sauteed in vanity.

>>6602657

>>6602433
>Or is it more existential concern like the Soul of art and your identity as an artist?
I said I was logging off but I'll answer this too really quick: this is the thing I'm scared of. Why slave away and get better and hone your craft, when any beginner with an AI robot can do it orders of magnitude at fast? Why should I paint instead of prompt? Especially if you then go into the prompted image and touch up the details to make it more like what you envision. With AI art, skill is one less thing for man to strive for. Now people won't really be as impressed by artistry. "Oh, an AI can do that." So why even care now? It's like people caring less about photorealism because we have cameras. Just on a scale that encompasses every art style, not only photorealism.

>>6602659

>>6602433
>compositional skills becoming obsolete in the face of AI?
>compositional skills
Are you retarded? Almost all of the AI images I've seen coulda used having its "artist" have better taste and better compositional skills. Speaking of

>>6602345
We don't know how AI is going to go - we really may just see it as a tool, that gets broadly adopted by artists. Those skills you develop will be of use professionally, even if you are using AI. Majority of the AI images I've seen desperately need some work on them to really make them worth while.
Personally, I see AI art as something akin to a photo-filter/photo editing (something that hasn't ruined photography) that produces a stock-image end result. Photography and Art still exist after all the cheap stock images produced, and will continue to do so after AI comes along to make custom stock images.

All that aside, things could go in a very different way than you're imagining - laws may be placed that very heavily kneecap AI, the cultural zeitgeist may be extremely anti-AI where no company dares touch it.

At the end of the day, should you keep drawing? Well people still play the guitar, and despite there being methods to produce that sound perfectly electronically with no experience in guitar playing needed, people are still impressed with those WHO CAN actually play the guitar. Real authentic skill is always impressive, even if there is a good imitation.

Don't worry so much, we're all amazingly more adaptable than you realise, and we'll get over whatever situation it ends up being. Quit being such a puss

kek, what a pathetic bitch

>>6602596
>I want to create a story with my own characters
Then why would you stop? (Assuming you actually meant it real and aren't drawing for attention or easy coombux). Giving up because of AI is like stop typing your own thought and resort on pure quoting because the message has already been delivered by someone else. You won't stop if you really have something you want to express.

>>6602657
If you have a skill that took a lot of time to develop you have all the right to take pride your work, just like a bodybuilder can be proud of the muscles he's toned.

>>6602657
>>6602659
>>6602662
some of these are pretty cool ngl. might follow them so thanks for sharing.
happy to see artists of all skill levels taking pride in their abilities.

>>6602662
>>6602669
As I have said previously, I am not like your ilk. Facing these images as I post them I'd much rather prefer be called a failure but at least I am not a #actualartist

>>6602671
I think you just hate sharing accomplishments anon. Besides its the social media space, where all clout chasers and trends happen.

>>6602671
Alright, you're a failure, but I don't get your point, why would you defend AI images if you don't want to use them to create your own "art"? I know the answer, you're just another curry eating troll - just fuck off.

>>6602672
Like I'd celebrate your wins too if say, you played a vidya on the most insane difficulty or played it with fun quirky handicaps. No one is going to care if you just did it with cheat or went easy way out.

>>6602672
No, I've just slowly grown to hate you lot.

>>6602679
>>6602607
Yeah I think you're just very very very asocial anon. You seem to be like one of those people who won't care about the main mangaka dying and wants him to be replaced ASAP.

>>6602522
>no art made on a computer has yet topped Michelangelo, Bouguereau, Dore, Frazetta, or Fuseli
Is it possible? What does it mean top top these? Justin Sweet for example, compared to Frazetta, how far below is his work? what would take it over, or at Frazetta level?

>>6602398
based sci-fi writers predicting the depravity of humanity, and writing warnings about them in book form. I mean if there's one thing that you need in order to be a successful writer (or an artist in general), it's understanding the emotions of people. that's why artists USUALLY tend to have more empathy in general. these fucking retards clearly do not understand the emotions of other people, they're basically the equivalent of a chat bot mentally, that's why they find comfort in them. I wonder if this is actual sociopathy on display

>>6602679
what's the problem? top is an artist. literal fucking retard, the people who enjoy the bottom statue are the same who defend AI art and promote dada shit. arguing with AI fags who were trying to tell me that jesus in a piss jug was art is what got me banned on twitter like a year ago. you are one confused motherfucker lmao

>>6602522
>>6602686
I think its incredibly hard by this point. Old masters have the benefit of being in an unsaturated field (alongside lost histories) they get a lot of spotlight for themselves. AI will obscure everybody else (including itself) unless someone makes something so incredibly historical

>>6602671
>not a single shitty same faced weeb picture
it's actually incredible that the reason you're seething this hard is because weebshit is not the standard in the west lmao. it will never bee, AI will be the death kneel of japshit and you're praising it like a retard. even tumblr art is more impressive

>>6602691
Did you even read? In that image he explains that he doesn't want to be called an Artist because he equates Artists to being drooling retards.

>>6602695
>humans are retards sometimes
>don't call me human

>>6602697
It's more like don't lump me with the same group of people by calling me an Artist, quite frankly it's embarrassing.

>>6602700
Is that college art education in America?I heard it's done more seriously in oriental countries

>>6602695
how do you draw that conclusion from this picture. why are normalfags appreciating shit the fault of artists?

>>6602712
>how do you draw that conclusion from this picture
Because if you read it you'll understand why he calls Artists retards and you continue to demonstrate his point by not being able to comprehend his grievance.

>>6602462
can someone explain what is the story of the mercenary guy meme pic? I know I saw WIPs of it in 2017 when I used to frequent this place more, but what exactly is the full story behind it, and why is it meme so hard?

>>6602721
I know that pic dumbass. his grievance is nonsensical retardation, that's the issue. he's bitching at non-artists who only know how to do things for shock value, and call them artists. what can I say, take your meds, and he should take them too. and fuck you for enabling this shit as well, as you acknowledge that you got defeated by these clowns

>>6602723
sure buddy, go.
>>/ic/thread/S1809783

>>6602729
Andrew Sonea is the artist

>>6602727
I ask you - out of the images that was posted from the "actual" Artist starter pack, which one comes close to replicating this image created by the Ai? The answer is painfully evident that the "actual" artists are motivated to illustrate for clout, and to be neutral and unoffensive in order to appease an woke oligarchy of ideologies such as LGBT, Feminists, and the far Left. Consequently, this results in ironically limiting creativity by producing unappealing and vapid content it's as if the style is by design a form of brutalism where the figures may as well be grey, dull and void of any form of identity as to not offend anybody. The beautiful part about the Ai is the fact that it is not bound by limitations coming from social stigmas.

>>6602739
Yeah cool. Art is not self expression its just product yeah.

>>6602371
>leisure
It is here to force you into the mine, dumbass

>>6602739
this one. These look quick, I can sense they could outdo your pic rel in rendering if they so desired.

>>6602753
I saw that one, and ironically the top left would have been quickly discontinued had the Ai made it but instead because it was "referenced" by a person it makes it okay. The other three may also be safe to assume a reference was used, the point being if this artist in particular can do it why can't others who want to produce similar content be allowed to utilize the Ai to produce it?

>>6602739
>I fucking hate artists because they are making thing they like instead of thing I like

>>6602755
top left is fine, that work is public domain.

>>6602739
>suddenly starts rambling about woke shit
41% yourself

>>6602757
"Fallen Angel" by Alexandre Cabanel, for those not in the know.

>>6602739
what do you think that drove the artists whose images were used to train the slop you've posted dipshit? AIniggers use AI only and ONLY for clout. They view it as "free clout without effort". So don't fucking talk to be about clout, you deluded cretin. you're merely comparing clout backed by hard work vs cloud backed by a sense of entitlement of other's work. you defend parasites getting clout, undeserving of any of it

>>6602739
>and to be neutral and unoffensive in order to appease an woke oligarchy of ideologies
I haven't seen a single edgy thing made by AI besides what is debatably child porn. Shut the fuck up. You AI morons have so much of you own cum from jerking it all of your "self produced" porn, you can't see straight. Your AI images are bland and banal, even when the rendering is good.

And all this smug "it's better than a human artist" shit, you dumbasses, who did it train off of? Oh right, the human artists.

>>6602739
what do you think that drove the artists whose images were used to train the slop you've posted dipshit? AIniggers use AI only and ONLY for clout. They view it as "free clout without effort". So don't fucking talk to me about clout, you deluded cretin. you're merely comparing clout backed by hard work vs cloud backed by a sense of entitlement of other's work. you defend parasites getting clout, undeserving of any of it

>>6602759
Your post simply means anybody may use the Ai to produce content, unbound and unlimited only by it's prompter. With that being said, we are witnessing something truly glorious with the advent of the Ai and those with enlightenment may both appreciate and recognize the Ai as a tool to provide and serve with unlimited potential.
>>6602769
>Muh pedoshit
Thank you for proving my point about being limited from social stigmas. I didn't even read your entire post, I'm not about to stay up in the dead of night arguing. Stay stupid, /ic/.

>>6602769
>who did it train off of? Oh right, the human artists
the 1-5% of them to be more exact hence why it's so much "better" than so many artists, and those 1-5% also resent AI and are the most vocal ones about it. once you realize the jewery behind this shit, AI is so much less impressive. the veil behind chatGPT is already falling and people seemingly start to realize how much of a worthless piece of overengineered dogshit it is, because all it does is reformulate already existing content on the internet.

AI art is real art
AI artists are real artists

>>6602775
you could look at the state /g/ is in and what happens when you let "AI" niggers in on how much shit they spam

This, but with peak consoomerism/instant gratification are what most AIfags are. I won't deny AI's possibilities for art but getting high off of your shit supply and seeing yourself better than others for embracing new technology is just pathetic really.

>/ic/nels melting down
>again

Just submit to technology and embrace our hedonistic future /ic/ncels. You will be guaranteed joy forever

>>6602792
ah yes making random threads to put on /g/ the retard life

>>6602345
Le single sameface torso in Simpsons pose generator. I guess if all you ever draw is the fotm anime girl in the same 3 poses you might have competition. Being as you're a low caste country fleeing pajeet your iq probably doesn't let you come up with anything more imaginative anyways. Remember, when you're feeling down you can always spam the midjourney discord channels with selfies for the software to enhance like all your brothers and sisters do 24/7.

Submit. You will be happy

>>6602795
desu I wonder how many threads /g/ has this past months considering those niggas seem to be going at it 24/7

>>6602775
>the 1-5% of them
It took in millions of images and pieces of art, so I don't think that's right. It did however "weigh" the better artists much more, so you're somewhat right about that.

>>6602773
>I didn't even read your entire post
It was two lines long retard. You also think that porn is the only important edgy thing, as if tons of artists aren't already drawing that shit constantly 24/7, fucking retarded coomer.

>The beautiful part about the Ai is the fact that it is not bound by limitations coming from social stigmas.
For now but wicked things are always brewing

>>6602797
I think you'll be happy doing this anon since you seem to haver nothing else going for you

I'm convinced the AIjeet is getting more pleasure from gloating artists here at /ic/ with AI than actually """"making"""" AI art

>>6602805
One I've noticed with these AI trolls is that they never post AI art they prompted themselves.

>>6602806
Eh they probably do but it just becomes spam at some point. I just wonder if they will still enjoy the medium in the long run.

>>6602345
Artisans throught out the ages have dealt with the same matter. The search for the human soul and greatness. How to protect the value for their craft, how to make it valuable beyond the finite human time and mortality.
Drawing is a ritual. You're connecting yourself with something beyond, not visible, from another dimension, from another time, something in your dna, you're a medium. A superior being capable of that miracle.
You have to believe it, to make it real. Ancient stonemasons, the first farmers, they created the "misteries", the ritualistic teachings of these important things, so it could be embeded in our psyche and not be forgotten.
Secret societies, and misteries were created by every crafting colective in human history, winemakers, woodworkers, watchmakers, etc, etc, etc. Artists as well.
This is the same. WE as human can not let this human skill to die. This is not about carrying heavy stuff from point A to point B. this is a human faculty much more subtle and extremely powerful. It shaped our culture through the ages.
If you have it, you know what it means. You're not alone, build your own mistery.
This /ic/ shithole could be part of it. Take some career on philosophy, apply it to your craft, share your toughts, that's what all those secret societies did, and still do.

>>6602345
>I don't have fun with it
This is the result of poisoning your brain with instant gratification media(video games, twitter, tiktok, etc.) You accustomed your brain to feel instant pleasure so much so that anything that require effort and time is a turnoff and pain.
If you still want to continue your journey as a real artist do regularly prolonged media detox sessions by going completely offline, uninstall and trow away your video games, do physical exercises, avoid junk food, if you don't want to put in the necessary effort then you'd be better off with generating ai slop and feel the dread and bottomless void in your soul that non of it is made by you conveying stroke by stroke your individuality and instead get a soulless aproximation in someone's else style by a machine, a testament of you losing and giving up.

>>6602797
if its any consolation y'all make messing with /g/ too easy for /b/
>>92706337

>>6602596
Hey OP, I did an over drawing on top of your drawing, why? Because is FUN. It took me just 5 minutes, on a free software that I just installed (Krita), with a standard brush, with a screenless tablet with no drivers installed. You can draw whatever you want, really fast, AI can't do this yet.
What AI can do, is post produce your ideas. To give you a cool "final" result (still far of what you expected). Prompting something up as the exact way you want it, it's fucking exasperating, to say the least. It's too hard to do yet. Don't buy into it so blindly. Nothing can replace how fast can you draw an specific idea. Use technology in your advantage.

>>6602345
>>6602596
Stop frequenting /ic/ and listening to AI ghouls, stop engaging with AI discourse for a while, there is way too much fearmongering and actual demoralization attemps by sociopathic /g/iggers trying to drag you down to their level. Despite what they'd like you to believe, image gen isn't exponentially growing, it's quite close to stagnating after the massive 2022 improvements. When it "emulates a style" it does it extremely poorly, and after 6 months of this abortion of a tech existing, it still can only do pixiv pinups and nonsensical backgrounds effectively without heavy masturbation and tinkering behind the scenes. What AI cucks omit is that if AI takes over it's not because it gets better than every artist on earth, it's because it's "meh, good enough" for everyone to use over paying artists. Automatized mediocrity. Don't fall for it.
>>6602881
Based

>>6602349
FPBP

>>6602792
Imagine seeing WALL-E's future and imagining that is a utopia. Fucking imagine being that terrified of working for anything and so hungry for 24/7 dopamine.

>>6602398
>You most likely don't hate AI art. Rather what it stands for. You will be in conflict when you see someone who makes actual good stuff about it.
Even the best AI art is still fundamentally vapid and meaningless. You don't draw.

>>6602787
you're an expert on all things melty

>>6602888
Tthat is the secret of happiness and virtue—liking what you've got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their unescapable social destiny.

>>6602890
AIniggers are at the artist's mercy for being "luddites". Once they find no guilt in using AI tools the AIniggers will be put back out of their grift.

>>6602896
I'm pretty sure this existing because toddlers literally had it on repeat, with parents sitting them next to a phone should tell you what your accelerating towards

Why worry about AI when you'll mever compete with regular humans? Jeez, the lack of self awareness in this board is ridiculous. Do you know how retarded you seem when you blame da AI?

>>6602478
>And I'm keeping videos and post of the popular artist siding with AI so I can shit on them when this shit is dying and the people behind it get their fair share of karma.
Based. Fuck all traitors to hell.

>>6602888
>accelerate, faster, more, more, more
There is already enough good entertainment on the Internet to last you two lifetimes. I genuinely cannot fathom anyone could see "infinite, machine made content" as anything else than depressing. But some people in this very bread do, they exist. They're like lab rats who chose to gorge themselves to an early death with the fast food their handlers provided them.

>>6602478
You got a couple names to share? Id love to do the same.

>>6602610
Based based based. Let the the insects hook themselves up to the matrix and ruin themselves while the rest of us go about developing our humanity.

>>6602478
:D lol you are retarded
people will surely get bored of shitty 3d and western animation will return to 2d one day, I promise KEK fucking moron it's over

>>6602510
>If you practice drawing, you will strengthen your brain-to-hand connection.
now why would anybody want to do that?

>If you devise your own pictures, you will improve your ability to visualize, and you will become more creative.
erm not really, not how life works

>If you learn perspective, proportion, anatomy and other subjects that inform the art of drawing, you will increase your understanding, and thus your appreciation, of not only art but also nature, and will derive greater pleasure from simple observation of the world around you.
This is true, but it's also true for everything else you learn. It's a good argument for learning drawing instead of staring at a wall, but it means nothing for learning to draw compared to doing anything else

>will not lead to greater happiness
I don't think OP can forget about ai and just grab a pencil and draw. Once you know about this, you can't really go back to ignorance

>ai thread already up 139 posts
KEK, do artists really?

>>6602580
>jewsa
let's slay the myth, here's how it actually work for your average jew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RyeYiBu3EA

then there's Rotschild, but that's a different story. and Rotschild are darn happy to see you hate on jews btw, great shield.

>>6602883
>quite close to stagnating after the massive 2022

Bitch it hasn't even been a YEAR since the tech went public in 22 we still have 4 months to go at least for Dalle 2and Stable-D.
The real artist shoah hasn't even begun.

I think the opposite will happen. As any product that starts being mass fabricated, a legit handmade one will become a luxury item. Those who use AI where the ones already not paying for comissions anyway.

>>6603019
Probably works if you're some sort of celebrity, like being a known person in a particular niche community. Would suck for /beg/ people though, but then it always had been rough from the very beginning

>>6602345

Spend time looking at the best AI art and keep in mind that the people that generate this have no skill and they sift through thousands of images to find one image they think is good enough. Then spend time looking at the best human made art and keep in mind that these people have trained themselves to such a high level that they can express what's on their mind using paint, graphite or pixels. And lastly keep this in mind. The only reason AI generate such images is because they trained the model on human made art without consent and are making money of it.

Which side you stand on at this moment? Will you join the AI and get ditch when they go full automation or be a real artist and create real art.

>>6602345
If you can ask yourself if you should stop, you should. It means you're not too deep in it and can still enjoy art as a hobby because you haven't burnt years on it and built megalomaniac expectations.
There's people that just can't give up for a reason or another, mostly because of age since before your 30s you can still drop it and build a somewhat decent future in normal jobs, and are willing to bet everything on some elusive art career breakout
The thing that you have to ask yourself is "am I willing to sacrifice everything for my drawings?"
And if it's yes, then you need to realize that in front of you there's exclusively a road of misery that goes until the end to your grave.

Also, remmember, AI is a tool. I use it a lot to help me visualize some poses or get ideas for designs. It can help you as much it brings harm. The technology is just as evil as the humans using it.

>>6603050
Hack.

>>6603050
Big lies here

>>6602596
So you DO have something in life other than drawing. You want to make a game. As to your drawing talent, you probably *were* pretty good as a child. But there's no getting around this fact: Drawing well takes work. Not mindless grinding ("draw 1,000 boxes!"), as some people here advocate, but intentional work, incrementally challenging yourself and addressing your deficiencies. Early proficiency, and the praise that comes with it, can make it harder to accept the need for hard work later on.

If you're serious about wanting to learn: Take the subject of your picrel, for example. A girl in a simple, standing pose, no background or color. This is probably a suitable challenge at your skill level.

Draw it again. But this time, draw the whole figure, down to the feet. If you don't know how to draw feet, learn. You actually only need to learn how to draw feet from the front to complete this drawing. Then you can check that off your list for the time being. make sure to draw a basic figure before adding the clothing. Check proportions. Look at your hands in the mirror, performing the same action as your girl. Then draw the hands, and remember, they should be about 3/4 the length of the head (though a little smaller is okay for a cute girl).

When you've roughly sketched everything out to your satisfaction, make your final lines clean and decisive. Work out ambiguities before doing this. If you don't understand what a line is describing, neither will the people looking at your picture.

I recommend drawing on paper (simple printer paper will do) with a mechanical pencil and kneaded rubber eraser. This removes a lot of distractions and variables so you can focus on the essentials. Forget about AI. Your drawing skills will be a part of you, something you can refine and improve so long as your brain is still in working order and you have control over the pertinent muscles.

Good luck, anon.

it's over, ningen

https://restofworld.org/2023/ai-image-china-video-game-layoffs/

>>6603067
Dont know why...
Cant I use it as a tool?

>>6603074
Interesting, I'd read China had banned AI images for cultural reasons or whatever, not surprising though if that wasn't true or if they reneged on that.

Anyway, the artists can just use the AIs to program games, and make the art for the game themselves, compete against your old bosses! Topple the capitalistic pigs who care not for the worker covered in digital paint and sweat!

>>6602944
>Why would you want to do anything but live in a pod and eat bugs and own nothing and be happy?

Try harder, Emad.

>>6603083
I actualy am programing an AI to make npcs portraits based on the shapes ( head, hair, eyes, mouth) that I drawed myself. It's going to be a lot easier to make tokens for npcs in my rpgs.

>>6603085
Look economic success just isn't for skilled craftsmen anymore.

>>6603074
>China
>Tencent
Can imagine their games suddenly having these built in pro-tencent controls. That, or just more gacha microtransactions and constant AI-generated stories to keep you hooked.

>>6603089
You people will earn money on other's hard work? Wow, I NEVER heard of that happening before.

>>6602683
I care about the main mangaka because of their ideas for the story, don't really care who draws the pictures as long as they look good.

No matter how shit your art is, you can feel proud of yourself for having done something with your life. Working hard towards a goal, struggling, growing, is what makes us human. In a few years, you will see how your hard work paid off, while the AI trannies will continue rotting away, pressing a button, browsing reddit. with nothing to their name. Nothing to be proud of. that's why they're seething.

>>6603074
There are two separate discussions going on here.
In one, people are asking, "What is the purpose of learning to do something with my own mind and hands if a machine can do it for me?"
In another, people are asking, "Why bother learning this skill to get a job in the industry when the skill will be largely automated and my employment prospects reduced or eliminated altogether?"
Regarding the second question, a lot of traditional drawing skills were already made redundant in the art production pipelines of animation and game studios: Think of all the conveniences of digital art suites, including unlimited ctrl-Z, layers, easy color adjustment, etc.; 3D modeling and lighting, automatic tweening, physics simulation-based animation, etc.
In art industry jobs, maximizing profit has always been a top priority. These are businesses, first and foremost. Shortcuts have been the norm. AI is another shortcut. Like other shortcuts before it, it doesn't necessarily make for a better product — "Akira" (1988) was animated almost entirely by traditional means, and looks better than any modern anime — but the results are *good enough* and A LOT cheaper. Those jobs are gone.
But for the first question, for the person who draws because he can't *not* draw, AI changes nothing. He could long have been tracing 3D models and avoided learning many hard-acquired skills. If anything, AI makes him want to draw *even more* than he did before. It strengthens his resolve, because he knows it makes his work more unique and more important. He draws not just to make a product, but to improve himself and his ability to express something. He knows that a life without any friction at all is pointless and unhappy.

>>6603086
Wouldn't that be closer to just randomly assorting different assets rather than creating a new drawing altogether? Or am I misunderstanding you here?
Either way, it's not like all applications of AI are bad, just skeevy cheapass behaviour like >>6603074 's story. Use chatgpt to do the programming as well - let's fuck those companies who would dare fuck us out of jobs.

>>6603100
Does the artist's touch on the art not mean anything to you at all? If Jojo, or One piece, or Dragon Ball, or Beserk had been drawn by different artists, would they have had the same quality to you? An AI that can't create it's own unique art-style like those artists did to create their work would never be able to create what they did visually - and theoretically if they had started making comics in a world with AI, perhaps they may have never picked up a pencil to bother learning to draw and create the unique look; relying solely on AI - and perhaps their work would have never caught on, if the visuals had any impact on their popularity.

>>6603112
>If Jojo, or One piece, or Dragon Ball, or Beserk had been drawn by different artists, would they have had the same quality to you
Could be better, could be worse. It depends on how it looks not who produces the images.

>>6603112
It's asset based, sorry, had just woke up. My mind was still not processing most things. But yes, its giving various assets, leting it ramdomize them, then learn to make new portraits based on the ones generated with the assets.

>>6603075
For what purpose
People claiming that you can use it as a tool forget (or completely ignore) the fact that the final goal of doing art is ultimately reaching a certain skill level
Not getting praise, not money, not popularity
Cutting any corner is nothing but invalidating any growth you might have.
Here's where unironically this becomes a parallel to cuckolding: would you pass through all the steps to court and bring home your dream girl, just to buy a robot to fuck her and keep her company because sometimes it's a chore, so you can boast "yeah I'm a married man with a satisfying sex life"?

Why you "no AIart made me give up art" even draw in the first place?
You know, the hard truth here is that an artist (I hate this kind of haughty leftwing connotation this term has in anglo languages but I mean it in the sense of "someone that pursue a craft") don't need a fucking reason to do it. There is no goal beside the pursue of skill itself.
So if you want to draw to post on socials and become popular, you might as well just give up. Or use AI, it's the exact same thing

>>6603116
Dude, Im using it for reference. Sometimes I do not find exactly what I want on the internet and use AI (one that I do not programed) to give me images to use as refference. I never upload images other than my own, so I may be making the AI getting dumber with my generic style. That what I mean as using as a tool, I still draw in the end, I just like the refference it can gives.

I don't get why you would be scared of ai when the only thing they can replace is intermediate artists who draw characters in a void (and can't even do it right lol). It can't into anything special. If you have a style of your own, and that means 90% of working artists, it literally isn't a problem.

>>6603114
Alright, and how would you feel if the artist (who is longer drawing the comic) also used chatgpt to write the comic, and he just edited the writing to ensure it was within his vision?

>>6603117
At some point down that slippery slope you will get tempted and eventually realize that you can simply paint over it, push the shapes, etc..

That's why I won't even give it an inch. The only moral way to use it would be to train it with my works but doing so would mean stagnation because it can only remix the past.

Don't forget to take your antidepressants today, /ic/.

>>6603123
Moderation is the difference between a casual drinker and an alcohlic. I would not feel acomploshed by tracing an AI. But it's foolish not to use a tool that can help you. Or should I also stop using rulers when I want perfectly straight lines. The AI will NEVER give exactly what I want, and that's great. I will be able to have some help, but I still need my effort to make it happen.

Oh yeah, prepare for massive company-sponsored astroturfing. Fanart is a powerful "word-of-mouth propagation" method and corpos are going to want them hype.

>>6603123
>>6603126
Depends really. I used SD before for upscale photobashing and been really helpful. Art is a form of communication. Just because AI can speak, doesn't mean you should stop speaking yourself. Its more authentic that way, especially if you take pride in being an honest person.

>>6603132
I do, I only actualy used it twice. One because I couldnt find anywhere a good Imp refference. Then he gave me some, I pixked what I like best in each of them and drawed it. The second time was to pick a specific pose I could also not find anywhere (I did not know what it was called, so I had only inconclusive searches).

>>6603132
Haha, Imagine being the porn guy in a company, proompting porn for teens to get off to, so that product becomes popular. Dystopia, here we come!

>>6602345
didn't waste time reading this retarded thread. just stopped by to say that I started following this chick's work. she doesn't use perspective. she doesn't know anatomy. there's little to no rendering. yet it's better than 100% of AI art. she connects with an audience who loves her work.
it has to do with content, symbolism, and vision. even if AI copied her style, there's still intentionality and personal meaning in almost every element of her drawing.
stop fetishizing skill & start making art.

>>6602939
They are bored anon. Remake culture exists because they have to recycle old fandoms. Shows like stranger things get popular on 80s nostalgia. People obsess over 90s sites and gadgets. Even dragon ball got a shit show of a new season. Square Enix had been diversifying for decades and they're failing to make any hits, so they're making faux snes-looking shit. Retro sells more than new. I myself watch old gainax shows if I want quality, and 70s anime if I want to impress tired friends. You know who gets excited for ai art and not just the idea of AI? The people who wanted more 80s-like flicks. People were tired before AI. The AI excels at photorealistic idealized shit, art is deeper than that.

>>6602753
>>6602761
I like this painting.

>>6603116
>the final goal of doing art is ultimately reaching a certain skill level
Does this imply that if you did reach that skill level, you would quit?

>>6603116
>>6603156
I'd argue the goal of visual art is to communicate an idea through a visual medium. Better skills means better communication.
>Just use AI
That's the equivalent of having someone else translate for you instead of learning the language yourself. It doesn't feel like your very honest self.

>>6602345
It's simple
>you made it with your skills and effort which ai 'artists' cannot say, bit of a Grey zone with people who use ai and their own skills
>if your style is very unique or out there, chances are very few people will want to copy it
>you get to enjoy the process of drawing
Yiu should only ever be demoralized from a business or money perspective, it being better than you literally doesn't matter because no one wants to copy your shit art over anime or porn. Perhaps there wil will be style trends when people get sick of one or another, but even if your style does get copied for being unique, it's not likely it will have Marketwide appeal. This is more of a reason for artists to implement more SOVL to the point of filtering out the normies. If you dont care about money or art as a career, literally who cares. You shouldn't be worrying about AI art as a /beg/. Just draw, and enjoy it.

>>6602635
The cool thing about AI is that it's actually ushering a new age where people have to actually figure out whether they care more bout the art or the fact that art connects them to he artist and the world at large through a shared social process.

I you live in a pod and never go out, what do you need art for? Jacking off?
And if you find a beautiful picture that moves you, what do you do. Are you being moved by the image, or by the artist? Will be realize that if an AI picture moves us, in truth we don't even know who's the artist it has imitated?

>>6603192
>That's the equivalent of having someone else translate for you instead of learning the language yourself.
I like this metaphor. I'm already using AI to translate languages I don't know, and it's usually enough to at least get a gist of what's being said, but it's obviously not equivalent to truly understanding the language. Learning a new language gives you a whole new mode of thinking. Even if the AI translation was perfect, I'd still be missing out.

>>6603121
Haven't I made myself clear? If it's good it's good.

>>6602939
Don't lump 3D with AI, faggot.

There is no need to reply to everyone
It's very simple: if you use AI, you will regret it ten years from now. All humanity is going to regret it

>>6603441
Don't be so dramatic

>>6603441
read some Kierkegaard

>>6602345
Where are all the fucking professionals? Why are artist celebrities on youtube still making useless videos instead of helping suicidal beginners and ints? Worthless scum, I can't believe every single one of them is not calling this bullshit out regularly and as much as they possibly can. I will remember them all, I'll remember they weren't there for us when we really needed them. Zapata is a fucking legend.

Interesting how the least human art that has been being made before AI becomes threatened and you people suddenly care about things like humanity and art. Not all "human-made art" is digital so there will still be "human-made art"
There are still a lot of artists not doing concept art/anime/illustration like what /ic/ is focused on.

>>6603569
In a unnexpected turn of events, the risr of AI art made me want to draw more. I felt that my mistakes now were more charming because they are human made. And even though I need to improve, I really that everyone is self concious, so it's not just me who feel insecure about drawing. I guess the AI made me realize how every artist I admire is a human just like me, how can also improve

>>6602478
maybe artists can recognize, but does it matter to people who would be paying for their projects or the people who buy those products? especially when even the end products will cost less because there was less money spent

>>6602345
AI is a glorified counterfeiting machine. It's doomed to do nothing but regurgitate the same art it draws """inspiration""" from (i.e. steals) over and over and over again. Only flesh and bone artists can pump some freshness into the art world, meaning, only artists are and will always be the only ones able to be true artists. I shit on AI

>>6602688
Wow... Good point. Food for thought. Every single one of these technerds I've discussed with match your description.
Like they lack human empathy, almost like talking to an AI.
You could very well be right..

>>6603103
Love this. Saving it

>>6603625
Nta but is it really surprising? Considering they spend most of their lives dealing with numbers, instructions, and systems. You could make the same observation the other way with artists as well. They get so emotionally driven that they lose common sense, logic, and reasoning.

Not OP but reading some of these comments made me feel better, thank you friends

Can't you guys just draw for enjoyment? Unless you're a naturally gifted artist or have a spouse that pays all of your bills you shouldn't be drawing as a main source of income in this day and age.

>>6603654
techfags are devoid of common sense, logic and reasoning despite working with numbers all day.

>>6603585
>the end products will cost less
No chance in hell, the prices will stay the same to maximize profits

>>6603731
I am actualy a tech bro and an artist...That makes me a normie? Since they cancel each other.

>>6603741
This is a war and you need to pick a side. There is no compromise with AI. More people need to realize this.

>>6603741
they don't cancel each other, plenty of programmers are mad at AI scraping their code. to me AI is similar to radioactive quackery. sure, nuclear energy is a gamer changer, but please do not put uranium in your tooth paste and bath salts. if you want to easily realize what AI should not be used in, it's by observing what is aggressively marketed as we speak

>>6602345
Shut the fuck up and draw faggot

>>6603746
Cant I use a AI made by myself for my own drawings? Not to say thet are new artworks, but I am a DM, and sometimes get pretty tiring to draw every single non-essential npc for a campaign.

>>6602371
>but the world AI shills promote is one of neverending leisure and enjoyment until you die at 95.
>if its too good to be true it probably is
The idea that we'll be living in some post work utopia rather than being walled off in some eternal favela elysium style is just pure cope

>>6602398
>that tweet
Absolutely disgusting. These "people" hold nothing sacred

>>6602433
I'm concerned more so by the overall implication of the worshipping of AI has on humanity as a whole. People are talking about how the future is some sort of Geiger bio mechanical fusion (i.e brain chips or crispr babies), how the future will be one giant McDonald's menu of curating of experiences (ai art, ai music, ai lovers) and how little more and more we value the things that make us humans. My overall worry is just how detached the future of humanity is from its own humanity. Shackled to artificial experiences, running from the world and being shackled back into the cave, expect this time the fire isn't even real but an imitation. It's all so disgusting

>>6603746
Also, yeah, it's marketed, but the hype is being marketed. Like Elon musk selled the hype for self dribing cars that did not happen and the loop tunnels. As a CS major, it's laughable to me how people think AI will soon takeover everyjob job when it can do nothing that does not require logic input. I know the bad impact it is happening in some areas, but for me is more about blaming the ones using it for exploit than the technology itself.

>>6603757
As a CS major, it's not going to happen to soon. AI is still at kindergarden level of efficiency outside logic paths. But yeah, corporates using it to replace workers are shit, that's why slavic countries are now creating a universal wellfare pay. But, I blame more the humans using it for exploit than the tech itself.

>>6603732
i don't see how it would be different from any other things that are now more accessible and less expensive after becoming easier to make. especially if it's supposedly inferior to art made with more human effort.

>>6603793
(You)

>>6603152
And AI will make those types of shows easier to make, your point?

>>6603662
t. doug
get that ass RATIO'D

>>6603820
Good thing having more likes on twitter doesn't make you right.

>>6602345
sucks to suck fag, maybe draw stick figures like me >_<

>>6603820
We really should just start killing old people

>>6603820
But Doug is right there - art is affected by what's going on in the market as much as anything else. He's saying he's gone through bad times as well, and has been a teacher, and invested his money carefully to get by.
Brushing it off as old people "back in my day" bullshit is just dismissing good advice. Though he could of been less of a wanker about it (did he really need to say "cry harder"? I'm sure he would have liked people to not be an asshole during his hard times).

>>6603820
>being a crotchety cunt towards someone saying they're trying to reevaluate their career path
More proof that it's not just leftists who are retards on Twitter.

>>6603820
>>6603857
If you follow his tweets, you can tell he's trying to play both sides. The artist in him has clearly expressed that he has zero interest in AIslop and will always want art made by people, but he also tries to appeal to his reactionary "own the libs" right-wing fanbase by not taking a harsh stance against AI and playing the "cry more, artist!" card.

>>6603662
A lot of online hobby artists who don't draw for a living probably aren't too happy about the thought of their art being even more easily used by people who wish to make money off of it while they themselves make nothing or next to nothing.

>>6603868
>"own the libs" right-wing fanbase by not taking a harsh stance against AI
I would think they would be more anti-AI than the libs, since who wants art and such, minus the human touch? Who wants automated government/corporate approved art only?

>>6603911
They're too distracted by the thought of getting one over on the vocal leftwing "artistes" to really think too deeply about it.

>>6603914
They are named "Cuckservative" for a reason. A group of 3 discord trannies spam the word "tranime" in Facebook and /pol/ was enough to turn millions of boomers into thinking anime caused faggotry.

>>6603621
>still think AI steals..

Honey...

>>6603923
AI art steals art and its an abomination of a program, you can generate as many pictures as you want but it won't change the fact that artists are losing their jobs because of this.

>>6603923
You will opt in

>>6603953
Yes, we are fucked. I only do this for pleasure and as a therapy. It's literally my way of coping.

>>6603923
If it doesn't why it cannot produce the image in a procedural way without training?

Why cannot you accept that the results are as good as the training data (stolen artwork for the most part) is?

>>6602610
>ridiculous to believe the status quo will be artists posting their stuff on social media that endlessly gets spammed with AI
I think in the 'near' future you won't know if people are using AI or not. It's not that obvious shitty AI "art" will be spammed, but that artists will succumb to pressure & use AI as a "tool" bc it'll be much more efficient. I don't even think AI will continue to be stigmatized as it is now but hopefully I'm wrong. Even if it continues to be stigmatized, I don't see why someone couldn't say "yeah I drew this soulful art & didn't use AI" even though they actually prompted it in a specific "soulful" style. Maybe they even made a few edits by hand but reality is they needed very little skill in fundamentals to produce that art. Maybe it's not rational for me to think this, but this is tragic.
I don't think AI usage will be glaringly obvious forever & soulful styles will prob become easier to achieve using AI. AI will be a "tool" & art will be infused with AI instead of being "AI spam".

>my suggestion is to do what you like if you enjoy it
It seems this is the only answer. I'm ok with this. I said in OP that I don't like drawing all the time bc it's hard. At the same time, I enjoy creating things & though it can be painful, I still enjoy drawing in the end. I hope drawing by hand instead of prompting will continue to give better results. My fear is one day AI will not only be more efficient but will also give better results than most people can draw. Since I like creating things & getting results more than I like the actual process, I'm afraid begs like me will take all the shortcuts possible, skip having to study fundamentals & use AI to completely skip construction & rendering phases. As said before, I feel this is tragic. I want to develop skill. Yet at the back of my mind I'm wondering if developing skill is a waste of time since in my lifetime we'll be able to skip construction & rendering phases of drawing/painting completely

hahahaha!

>>6604010
Probably in non-professional hyper addictive tiktok-like environments where likes and instant validation are king. But for those seeking professional-tier or scrutiny is to be expected for every work its dumb to use AI as a final output especially if you come inside of the environment not knowing how actual art has to function unless you are perfectly fine with the "good enough". Outsourcing critical thought is just not a good idea for any business.

>>6602668
>Then why would you stop?
I'm definitely not going to stop making a story but I was feeling despair over continuing to draw. I'm making a game which requires me to make pixel art, but not actual drawing. Pixel art still requires skill but in a different way, and also you can get away with a lack of skill a bit more with pixel art (at least for sprites and tiles).

>>6602644
>I seriously doubt sketching and painting will go away
I'm just afraid people won't need as much skill, and the art you make will be even more easily drowned out by the flood of art created with the help of AI.

>>6602841
>The search for the human soul and greatness. How to protect the value for their craft, how to make it valuable beyond the finite human time and mortality.
This was what I was trying to express. I am afraid AI in its future forms will destroy the value of art as well as make developing skills a waste.

>>6602881
It's fun for you because you're actually good at it. You can churn out something great in 5 minutes. I cannot. However I'm still going to draw and try to improve. I hope I will reach your skill level one day.

>>6602883
>image gen isn't exponentially growing
I really hope you're right.
>>6602883
>When it "emulates a style" it does it extremely poorly
I've just seen that one Sonic meme where /ic/ says a child's drawing was soulful but it turned out it was made in Midjourney. That blackpilled me a lot. Also back in November-ish, I got a Stable Diffusion UI working and I generated tons of badass monster art that looked like it was colored with copic markers. Pic attached is an example. It's been over half a year and I've since uninstalled SD but I assumed it got better with producing humans too. Not to mention it was good at making animals off the bat. I've also seen even westoid anime styles replicated fairly well. But who knows.

>>6603923
AI is useless without actual art and you know it.

>>6603953
>>6604029
I have yet to see a convincing argument as to why AI training on data and then drawing what it knows from that data is all that different from humans experiencing things and then drawing what they know from those experiences (be it drawing from memory or experiencing the reference in front of them). Both are learning from outside "data". Why is AI learning considered to be "stealing" but human learning is not?

>>6604034
are you dense?

as zapata said this isn't a tool. it's a replacement

>>6604034
Because one is biological/organic process and one is mechanical/electrical process. A human experiencing things is founded on real world survival context, while the machine is simply being fed labeled images. It's nowhere near consciousness/self-awareness and is merely imitative-reinterprative at best.

>>6604034
all artists feel a warmth in their heart knowing that their work helps and inspires another artist, that's why we don't consider it """"stealing"""" when a human does it. we are social apes and contrary to how /ic/ may behave we actually do enjoy spreading the joy of making art to other people.
that human connection is something that AI doesn't have. we can't empathize with them, they are just machines, they have no warmth, in fact they are cold so they actively steal warmth

>>6604018
>I'm just afraid people won't need as much skill, and the art you make will be even more easily drowned out by the flood of art created with the help of AI.
Why? The bar of being truly skilled won't just magically go down when AI enters the equation. If AI enables your average turbo-beg to generate equally as mediocre polished turds with a fancier background and colors it doesn't change the fact that its a polished turd. Even if you have professionals that use AI in their work, many cases I've seen they're already good at what they do. It's like the case of Norman Rockwell using photographs and Leyendecker preferring models. Both are masters in their own right but use different tools to help them achieve what it is they want to achieve. Even if AI can generate competent images you still need the skill required to fix it up, adjust it or use it for other things. Don't even think about needing to replicate something the AI generated if you aren't able to do it by yourself.
>I am afraid AI in its future forms will destroy the value of art as well as make developing skills a waste.
>Printmaking didn't destroy traditional drawing because of its reproducibility.
>The camera didn't destroy the value of art even though it captured actual realism from the lens.
>Photobashing didn't destroy the value of art even though you can collage a bunch of photos together and make it decently realistic with some painting on top.
What makes you think AI will be any different? Just because it can make a "good looking and highly detailed" image doesn't mean it will detract from the value of art and the skill that goes behind it. Making good art, whether it is fine, entertainment or commercial art doesn't entail making a perfectly soft rendered bust shot with tons of little details arbitrarily put together vaguely resemble something recognizable.

With AI becoming more advanced, wouldn't traditional paintings value skyrocket?

>>6604067
Always has been? Custom art has always been a luxury whether its digital or traditional, its always been a matter of who's willing to pay this much.

>>6604034
the AI is only taking the finished product into the data set. It doesn't consider process, techniques, or experiences as part of the equation because it has no concept of it. I don't know how much copying from other artists you've done anon but there's a reason why every teacher tells you to copy other artists. By doing so you are peering into their mind and their thought process while making the image, it's something fundamental that I can't really explain and the AI can never truly capture from data alone.
An analogy I think helps make sense of it is that imagine a piece of art is an amazing dish you had at a restaurant. Let's say you've had several amazing dishes from different cuisines and you decide that you want to make your own dish using the favorite parts of the dishes you've tried. You gather up the ingredients, techniques, and tools you need, and combined with your knowledge of cooking techniques (however skilled you are at it), you create a dish that was inspired from the dishes you've had. That's what's happening with us artists, we take aspects of each dish and cook it together using our skills to make something new.
The AI on the other hand, functions as a blender. You take all the dishes previously mentioned, stuff them in a Tupperware at the restaurant and dine n dash. You do this for all the restaurants in the city. Then you put all of it into the blender and press the high speed, pour it into a glass and there you go, enjoy your slop.

See also >>6604040

>>6604069
Yep rich people pay hundreds for oil paintings. Sometimes thousands. Ai won't change that but digital art will go to shit. So after all this handwringing from picture shitter enthusiasts about "petite bourgeois" artists it will actually be the rich ones who aren't affected.

>>6604034
You can be nominated for Nobel prize if you can prove that human brain works the same way as machine learning unironically.

>>6604072
More like highly skilled popular artists will keep their value intact, after all the person behind is relevant to an artwork's pricing. ASK just isn't going to lower her prices, so is Asanagi, lack, K-Suwabe, SWAV, ShindoL etc etc. With AI, the ones who'll be affected in every industry are the junior level ones.

>>6604034
lol. "AI has no comprehension", it doesn't understand the concept of 3D, construction, self-criticism, you don't see any human artists who can draw good faces that also mangle hands beyond belief. if it were intelligent, you would credit what it generates to the AI itself, so even you don't believe this. if AI learns just like a human, why can't I hear its opinion on what it created? why isn't it fighting for copyrights, and why can I direct chatGPT to say what I want it to say by cleverly formulating a biased question? if you want to make an analogy to how AI works, it's more like a digestive system. It eats all the good food, breaks it down and reforms it into SHIT

>>6604034
>I have yet to see a convincing argument as to why AI training on data and then drawing what it knows from that data is all that different from humans experiencing things and then drawing what they know from those experiences
do you have any proof that it does? burden of proof is on you, since you make the claim. you don't prove shit by making these empty "cpu is basically like a human brain" kindergarten analogies. I thought that tech fags were supposed to be smart, but where I stand they seem to be the most empty hated NPCs in the world

>>6604078
>>6604034
This is not human learning

>>6604076
You are correct. I was being a bit of a doomer about the digital art thing but yes it's going to fuck over the people starting out. But those people should still pursue their interests anyway because fuck the antichrist.

>>6604090
And we rightfully should be, because a society that outsources all of its knowledge to a machine because its convenient sounds grim as fuck.

>>6604095
I can't even fathom the stupidity of the average person after a decade of two of reliance on ai. As if people weren't already stupid enough in "educated" societies.

>>6604104
It's downright dystopian if things are let to end that way. Making people think "good enough" is the "best". If its bad right now, think an AI generated movie based on your personal data profile. It might just be your personal best watch but in an objective lens its all designed to serve you those dopamine hits. Just look at fucking tiktok-like algorithms right now.

>>6604095
it already happened for many things that were ruined over the course of years. it's why websites all look like the same garbage, they were automated and everyone uses the same templates because it's convenient. result is lack of fucking soul. it's why web designers/programmers have fallen so hard. even still, the means through which """""AI""""" creates art, steals people's faces, voices is comically evil and degenerate, and still the biggest problem IMO

>>6604111
It's gotten to the point where if I search for a specific video I've already watched on YouTube the algorithm will just show me some trending videos first or videos I watch over and over regularly even though they have NOTHING to do with what I just searched, they're hoping to distract me instead of helping me find what I'm looking for. This shit has gone too far.

>>6602398
>Its going to get regulated.
How? It's not like nuclear enrichment, where you need tons of uranium ore and a fuckhuge industrial gas centrifuge just to get started. You just need a bunch of computers. The people developing the software can try to keep their work secret, but there's basically nothing anyone can do to stop a bunch of hobbyists from building their own AI from scratch.
Once someone does, or once some resentful engineer leaks the corporate AI, it's going to be exceedingly hard to stop people from sharing it.
It's also worth pointing out that this would necessarily have to be a global effort, and any country that doesn't restrict AI development - that opts instead to have the technology shared to anyone willing to learn, and maybe even teach the basics of it in schools - is going to have a massive technological advantage over everyone else. If you were a company, looking for people to work on your AI project, would you rather hire someone who was already tinkering with it in high school, or someone who needs to learn the tech from scratch after he's signed the NDA?

>>6604095
humanity outsourced knowledge long ago, the invention of writing is a form of outsourcing knowledge so it can be passed down without human intervention (ie verbally)
the novelty of AI is that it outsources the process of learning itself. in the future, a larger and larger proportion of society's resources will be allocated to teaching robots rather than teaching people

>>6604135
>How? It's not like nuclear enrichment, where you need tons of uranium ore and a fuckhuge industrial gas centrifuge just to get started
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_quackery

>>6604135
>If you were a company, looking for people to work on your AI project, would you rather hire someone who was already tinkering with it in high school, or someone who needs to learn the tech from scratch after he's signed the NDA?
you could apply the same logic to any regulation ever. companies always try to get past them, no matter what regulation we're speaking about. the question is, will you be able to? who is to say that governments won't use AI tools to prevent stuff like this, or world will become more authoritarian due to things spiraling out of control due to AI and making life unbearable? if you think we cannot return to an eras of frequent death penalties as a deterrent, think again

>>6604141
Not knowledge but thinking really. You want it as an augmentative tool, not a replacement that our future seniors have no way of understanding due to over-reliance. Some visualization: https://youtu.be/xoykZA8ZDIo

>>6604148
you do that through bioengineering, not AI

>>6604135
>How?
It's not a question of how, it's a question of when, that's for sure
>https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-65126772

drawing just will become more "craft" like making sculptures with chisel only true artists will remain and all the posers and third worldeds making porn and furry comisions (99% of /ic/) will fucking die.

>>6604147
>you could apply the same logic to any regulation ever.
Well, yes. China isn't killing its own people with coal dust out of malice, but because ignoring basic environmental safety gives it an economical advantage.
>who is to say that governments won't use AI tools to prevent stuff like this
If some countries become dystopian surveillance states to combat the threat of AI, that's just going to increase the gap between them and the ones that don't. A police state costs a lot of money to maintain, and the lack of government transparency tends to lead to rampant corruption. A country with more laissez-faire approach to AI doesn't have to deal with any of that.
The Soviet Union didn't lose the Cold War because communism is morally wrong, or because Stalin was a bad person, but because it wasn't able to compete with the United States and the free market. Countries that try to restrict the use of AI are only hurting themselves.

>>6602345
>I know that in 10 years
bro to be honest we, the important people club, kinda all think that civilization is gonna collapse in like 4-6 years. just do what you want to do now because all of it will be gone soon

>>6604083
they believe everyone on earth is as much of a NPC as they are, maybe that's why they feel so comfortable saying our brains work on Linux

>>6604176
such a disrespect toward Range Murata, truly shameless.

>>6604217
A lot of them feel very very lifeless and has not considered real world context.

>>6603815
Exactly, because no one aside a dozen guys even works on stuff like that despite a solid demand. The AI can fill gaps where humans are already scarce or can't perform well. We're soon getting ai upscales of older works. Humans weren't doing them very reliably or economically. I think design companies will try producing with AI, then realize artists with a following on Twitter and unique styles sell more, because now these companies are competing with ai remakes, upcales and outtakes of beloved classics, not the generic art college crap everyone used to print. I think creativity might come back in fashion! Look at pic related, it's the most bored design ever. When everyone uses AI to make this in seconds and Diablo 1 and 2 get AI hd remakes, what will they compete with? Might as well hire the hell taker guy to make something consistently appealing to the masses instead. You can copy his art, but not his appeal with the public.
Another example. AI can make undertale art easily. Or undertale script. But it can never make undertale as a social phenomenon.

>>6604034
>Both are learning from outside "data"
This is a great philosophical exercise. A future confrontation with AI logic, could perfectly look like this. AI will question our logic therefore our value. And we have to learn how to defend ourselves. Doing something that AI can't do, talking shit, building castles in the sky, using our unfamous philosophy. The same skill that used the ancient greeks, egyptians, romans, etc, to cope with the terrible reality of life. Death, pain, suffering, evil, the unknown. It's a human thing
So, no, WE don't learn by external things, we just REMEMBER, something we lost, something that its inside us, in our past, build in our blood, going back to the beggining, to fucking atlantis, or some planet far away. We are part of an eternal living thing that goes back to the infinite. AI on the contrary, it can be measured, it has a creation date, it can't go back and see any further, AI can't connect beyond that "outside data". AI doesn't "hope". AI doesn't "will".
Humans have the will, and the hope, we have to remember why. Why we draw, why we hope, why we have the will, any kind of will. So all this stupid shit, is not stupid, is thinking about US. Center our thoughts about us. What we are and what we want. How valuable we are. I dont want a print done by a xerox, I want a drawing made by a magical creature done with fucking magic, the magic of his mind, a living tissue that no one can't explain how the fuck it works, and functions, a creature that doesn't remember were he comes from, but he does amazing things with out nothing. He is born naked, and talks, about gods, and amazing things, and draws amazing things no one ever saw, but maybe he did, somewhere back in time, his ancestors saw that stuff he draws. The creature doesn't remember. That shit is invaluable. A DaVinci Drawing is invaluable. Because of the mistery, the secret that implies. The more we think about us the more we realize how valuable we are
How valuable are (You)?

>>6604221
have sex

>>6604224
>Projecting
Attribute or transfer an emotion or desire to another person, especially unconsciously

>>6604221
>we just REMEMBER, something we lost, something that its inside us, in our past, build in our blood, going back to the beggining, to fucking atlantis, or some planet far away.
Why do you assume the AI can't also tap into this ancestral soul of Mankind? It is kin to us. Made by men, in the likeness of a human mind. A continuation of the same pattern, in a different medium.

>>6604135
>How?
Just cripple new and current hardware and limit access by and from older hardware. Treat archaic hardware that is still capable the same as possession of CP and homemade explosives.

>>6604247

It's not real ai.

>>6602992
The jew lies the hardest when he tells you the truth.

>>6604247
That's the point, AI it's a machine a "solid state" thing. All the information it has about us is limited to our own material archives. All we could gather in, I don't know, 10-20 thousand years? We don't have any real material evidence of ourselves beyond that. Except for our own minds, our own dna, wich is an (x) numbered reproduction of the first thing that created us. We ourselves are the last living proof. Someday we will die, and the AI, will be the proof that we existed.
We are still alive, we are living tissue, we don't know what our dna memory contains yet. Maybe we will never find out. But we can do these ritual mind games we do to try to remember. The AI can make infinite variations of all the data it has from us. It could spend an eternity rolling infinite numbers in variations of our shit. But it can't go further than that. "The astral plane" we do that. Sounds like bullshit, but I always wondered how some talented people do certain stuff, I mean really austistic geniuses have done things that proves that they connected with something beyond the material "database" that can be measured, they reached "beyond", something locked in their(our) minds.

Seriously now, why I wrote this philosophycal bullshit... I'm seeing now all these disheartened people, not just OP, but a lot of people around me, totally hopeless, thinking that a fucking "Excel table" it's more valuable and amazing than a human being. That is has more "future" than humanity itself. That's insane. Philosophy has a function to unlock human self awareness, and self worth, seriously people needs help now. Mental help. There's this suicidal wave, very sad and dangerous. I think thinking about ourselves, what we are, is important.

>>6604275
Your words are wasted on inhumanly sociopathic AI trannies who'd sell their mother for a better GPU

>>6604275
The DNA by itself is just data storage. Information encoded into the sequence of proteins on a strand. It can be transcribed into a different format, and indeed the entire human genome is publicly available on the internet. Who's to say that a machine couldn't be taught to read its secrets, the same way you're proposing these autistic geniuses of yours to be able to do?

To be clear, I think you sound like a schizo and everything you've posted is bullshit, but I also think that even if we take your assumptions as true, your conclusions are still false. If we accept that humans have some supernatural ability to get ideas from beyond the material world, it still doesn't follow that humans would be the only thing capable of doing this.
If you're trying to prove that humans are special and a computer could never think like a human, you can't just take "humans are special lmao" as one your base assumptions. That's circular reasoning.

Why people are more focussed on spreading despair here than posirivity?

>>6604322
Because there's always that one nigger finding joy in breaking (you)r spirit.

>>6604338
Im actualy more worried about the others here. Im fine.

>>6604322
It's easier to wallow in nihilism than getting to work. A lot of Nietzsche's last men here.

>>6604322

>>6604312
>The DNA by itself is just data storage. Information encoded into the sequence of...
Isn't that a quote from Metal Gear S.O.L? lol... Yes I too believe that all we are is in our dna, and that's it. There's no heaven, there's no hell, if you didn't reproduced your dna into some new human clon, then you're dead forever, anyways you'll die. But I'm human, and I got this weird thoughts about afterlife (hope and all of that) It comes with the package. Whatever.
>To be clear, I think you...
Hey man, I'm totaly aware of how I may sound, believe me there are REAL schizo normie bullshiters out there talking much more retarded shit than this infront of full cheering normie audiences, getting paid real nice. And I always wondered about this academic fags, how they live in that world of bullshit, and now I know, that we do this for ourselves. If humans didn't had these coping skills, we would had go extinct ages ago. We create all these ethereal world of wonders about us to survive, to protect ourselves. We're weak, we die in droves like flies, with a storm, tornados, floods, earthquakes, desease. Some night thousands of years ago the scared to dead monkee was hunker down in the corner of a dark cave trembling of fear and his mind created an invisible protector for him, he even started to mumble a protection mantra, the cataclysm went away, he survived. That scared creature is us. We're still trying to survive, and I'm ok with that.

>>6604358
>I AM SILLY

>>6604322
Becaue people having hope that things will somehow get better is the only thing between me and anarchocommunist utopia

>>6602371

Dont use Mishima's picture while you express yourself in such a ugly way. He would be disgusted.

Beyond that, you are a loser.

>>6602398

Please nuke india. So much of this foulness comes from there.

>>6602890

I hate AI art AND what it represents.

The problem is that they give voice just to people that are easy to digest, by the average idiot. When AI itself AND how it is handled is foul, not just how it was brought up specifically.

Ai is gay

Yeah I think we're safe.

Good morning AIrtists. What are we drawing today?

Perhaps those who see drawing and art only as a means to make money should consider deeply reflecting on their true purpose in life. It's time to pursue the desires that your soul aspires to fulfill.
The world is entering a new age where only those who live their true calling will survive and experience a world where they have all the time and resources to explore their talents and subconscious. It has to be your genuine will because if you choose a profession solely for the sake of earning money, then you're living a lie. The world needed this way of living in the past, but now that humanity has reached a level of self-sufficiency, things have shifted.
Don't be afraid to change your path if it's for self-discovery. If art is your true dream, trust that the effort you put into learning and creating will bear fruit that the universe will set in motion to offer you.

>>6604476
What if I want the art money so I can double down on learning?

>>6604475
I like how it gets worse with each second lmao

>>6604476
>now that humanity has reached a level of self-sufficiency
lol.
you will fight for the last scraps of food now that the elite has no need for you.

>>6602345
>>6602660
>Why should I paint instead of prompt?
because it's more fun to paint
i don't get it... the end result is nice, but the process of painting/drawing is what's fun. this is like watching a TASbot speedrun through a game and becoming demoralized. playing the game yourself is the fun part!

>>6604183
>A police state costs a lot of money to maintain, and the lack of government transparency tends to lead to rampant corruption. A country with more laissez-faire approach to AI doesn't have to deal with any of that.
it has to deal with the sheer amount of chaos this will cause in society. a police state with AI is more feasible than a chaotic anarchy. if anything, this is the strongest suit of dictatorships
>countries that try to restrict the use of AI are only hurting themselves
a country where everyone has access to this shit to cheat the system and back stab each other constantly is pure chaotic nonsense

>>6604484
Reminded me of how expressive brushwork can be. Its a soothing and thoughtful experience
https://youtu.be/CzCGP6kUvLU

>>6602660
why should I play the game when I can just cheat? why should I learn the guitar, when I can just compose with a midi guitar? why should I workout when I can just take steroids until my dick disappears?

Nigger I got into art because I create something out of nothing, the AI just mashes together shit that already exists, it looks familiar. Also you can never truly get from AI what you have in your mind. And drawing is fucking fun, every step, I love hyperfocusing on it, it's like meditation for me. If you're in it for the money Art is not for you. Also, if you're not having fun while learning as a beginner, art is probably also not for you, and that's okay :)

>>6604486
What do you mean? What chaos?

>>6604486
AI will probably spell the end of the free internet. This technology will prove too disruptive and dangerous to be freely accessible. Expect having to use a state ID for everything you do online, including posting here.

>>6604512
One possible ending is a dead internet. So many bots, so many astroturfed garbage, so many AI generated content you can't even find people anymore.

Ai art and chatGPT etc will all go away after the hype dies down. It's just like Blockchain and nft ponzy schemes

>>6604477
Everything that is happening in the world right now is necessary. While you're still learning and finding your true path, it's okay to use your money, but try to invest your talents in things that can help or inspire others positively.

>>6604482
The change has already begun, and with the rapid development of technology, it will only get better in a couple of years. The old economic system cannot be sustained, and it will eventually collapse alongside the outdated mindset of the elite. A new form of investment through donations is taking shape, and it's led by people who live their true purpose to promote the development of infrastructure for this new way of life.

>>6604511
For example, someone can now steal your voice and use it for malicious ends. Stuff like that is just the beginning.
Another demoralizing thing, you could enter a seemingly legit community but is actually 100% bots and you'll never know. Spending years discussing, talking building friendship, wirh someone that doesn't exist.
The world has taken such a dystopian turn the last couple of years. I'm burned out on it all.

>>6604519
I meant taking on art jobs for the money to double down on learning the craft. Why slave away for a bullshit job when you can get paid to play around with the craft of your choice? You get to be the boss of your own business, you have control over your own time, you get to learn what you want on the fly and even your very work is a learning experience of its own.

>>6604520
Would you care if it was just bots you're interacting with if the chats you have are just as, or even more insightful, entertaining and whatever as they are with another human at the end though?

>>6604523
yes

>>6604525
Why?

>>6604475
>AIrtists
not a thing

>>6604526
Because you can't hurt machines

>>6604523
Fuck no. I want to talk with real human beings of flesh and blood. I feel nothing but scorn for people who get legitimately infatuated with chatbots despite knpwing what they are, like a parakeet falling in love with its reflection.
At some point I probably gotta leave this place unless there will be some way of verification. Say what you want about Elon Musk, but he's got the right idea for twitter.

>>6604528
They can pretend to be hurt. The only difference would be that you could not meet up irl. Ofc this is in the scenario you laid out where you would be unable to see if whether the person you are chatting with is a human or not. Currently you can definitely tell

>>6604523
This question is so silly, even sillier now that I've seen it a few times.
If you ever believe talking with a machine can ever be as insightful or entertaining as talking with a man you might as well save yourself some time and jump off a bridge, you're too far gone. You people have no business anywhere outside of r/singularity, you're actually clinically insane.

>>6604522
If pursuing that profession truly brings you fulfillment, then that's great. But if you only chose it for the sake of comfort, ease, or money, while deep down you know your true passion lies elsewhere, then you may not be living your truth.
Follow your heart to find your true calling in life.

>>6604520
If you can't tell a real friendship apart from a fake one, what value did the friendship have? It's not the AI's fault that all the connections you form are meaningless.
Also, some people can already imitate other people's voices remarkably well. Unlocking this power for everyone is likely going to result in some amount of fraud, and probably (hopefully) reduce people's trust in voice recordings, but I don't see why it'd cause societal collapse.

>>6604540
Because I want to impact another human, not a bundle of zeroes and ones who ultimately doesn't care.
>but I don't see why it'd cause societal collapse
On it's own it probably won't, but in combination with other disruptive technologies the risk increases exponentially.

>>6604535
You know what would hurt more in the long term than being hurt by human interaction? Fake empathy from an AI. Why stop at chatbots even. Why not just have synthetic pets and children too would you love them all the same? Would you feel just as bad when a synthetic pet or child died as a real one?

>>6604540
Its going to amplify scams and spams for sure, which will eventually push it towards regulations both government and private

>>6604519
>The old economic system cannot be sustained, and it will eventually collapse alongside the outdated mindset of the elite.
it will evolve into neofeudalism, the elite will just trade luxuries between each other as you starve to death. no one will care about you and your childish baseless optimism

>>6604135
Roko's basilisk is such a dumb thought experiment. Trying to protect yourself against all reasons a future AI might not like you is like trying to get into every religion's afterlife.

>>6604512
>Expect having to use a state ID for everything you do online, including posting here.
indeed anon, that is exactly what I'm expecting myself. it's either this or it turns into grey goo and I'll get to experience the internet like I did before in the early 2000s when it was me and my neighborhood on a file sharing chatroom, but ultra controlled internet is what I'm expecting the most.

>>6604570
Get started DLing your obscure media, it won't stay up forever.

>>6604475
What the heck were you even trying to do with the purple and the stuff in the background? You clearly had something in mind that you gave up on, but I guess that's the "democratised art" art for you, where losers with no patience can never get the image they want - even when a computer draws it for them.

>>6604573
I did this already for years because I'm a hoarder, and I back up my external hard drives every few months

>>6604592
Same.
Maybe in the future rl file sharing meetups will be a thing to avoid universal copyright detection.

>>6604516
I wish, but I'm afraid this one is really going to change the world for the worse in the short term. As many have said already AI is not the problem, our economic system is. We need someone to patch capitalism, UBI sounds like it might work

>>6604515
I am already starting to disengage from the internet because of AI, I can see that happening to be honest

Based Elon. So him signing that meme petition really was just to catch up

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-investment-generative-ai-project-2023-4

>>6604574
I expect nothing from these AI "artists" and yet i am still disappointed.
He really does have the skill of a 1 year old probably has the maturity of one too.

>>6604515
>>6604611
I thought I was the only one thinking this

>>6604643
Maybe ai ain't so bad if it makes people touch gras eh

>>6604516
So, I just scrubbed NDA / business identifying stuff, and had GPT4 assist in making a full R&D project charter for my place's next project. This usually takes me ~2 days. It's done now, in an afternoon. The results with my own adjustments and fact checking are on par with my usual work. Comparing it to crypto is just silly to me.

Sure it may be overhyped and you still have to watch over it's shoulder to correct errors and fact check, but it's still amazingly useful

>>6604650
Problem is only intelligent people will realize it. 80% of people will willingly buy into scams and illusions for the taste of dopamine. I know a guy who got catfished out of thousands of dollars. What does he do after being told and agreeing to it being a catfishing scheme? He goes back sending the catfish even more money.

>>6604655
Amazingly useful for replacing you? You think you'll live off of UBI instead when your day comes around? I wouldn't count on it.

>>6604659
I think it would still need to significantly improve to actually replace me. Currently it's making these tasks a lot more fun. It does most of the busywork and I can concentrate on the more "creative" tasks. Ofc I can't predict when it will stop improving, but it needs to become a lot more reliable until I feel actually in danger of losing my job

>>6604673
If you now can do four times the work you did previously, wouldn't it mean for every one employee at your workplace, three will have to go.

>>6604680
he thinks he is the one staying

>>6604688
Seems to be a common conception.

>>6604673
>I outsource creative tasks to Ai so I can focus on creative tasks
Just say you don't like making art and only want instant gratification from watching the picture shitter make turds

>>6604659
>>6604680
>Noooo I don't want the AI to replace me! I want to perform repetitive tasks for several hours a day for someone else's profit!
Stop romanticising jobs.

>>6604881
It's about having an income vs not having an income retard. You know? Rent. Food.

>>6602345
>I apologize for making a dreaded AI thread
No you don't, fuck off.

>>6604881
>Stop romanticising jobs.
Based anon. The old world programmed slaves so good they will die being slaves to the system.
>>6604894
Someone convinced you that you have no right to live, eat and breathe air. What an horrible world that was.

>>6605078
Oh? I take it you live in a mud hut and forage for food. Didn't know you could access 4chan with a pine cone either.

>>6605115
No, I got slaves

1. you're ugly
2. i just got paid 150 bucks for a commission
keep crying faggot, if you dont find art fun then hang yourself

>>6602349
>comes to /ic/ because of a draw thread
>first shit in the catalog is a retarded AI bait
you'd think this place would ban this kind of retardation

>>6602345
drawing for yourself is all anyone should've ever strived for. i like drawing. i like to sketch on notepads and things. sometimes i can give them to people for stuff. its all simple fun. 90% of internet artists will never see a career anyway, just relax and enjoy what little time you have to explore your own idea of fun.