/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I'm getting filtered by Loomis's head book ITS OVER

>>6564414
Just pet the dog

>>6564414
Literally just draw. You will learn along the way.

>can't colour hair to save my life

Guys how should I be studying reference?

I see people recommending to copy exactly as it is, blocking in and copying lines, replicating every detail. And others telling me to try and see the construction of the objects.

What should I do?

>>6564415
>>6564417
The first couple days of starting a new subject/book/fundie is demoralizing but wgmi bros

I was mostly satisfied by the last two pieces I drew but I've been feeling a lack of motivation to draw more. I haven't drawn anything in a whole month.

Do you guys have issues with motivation? How do you deal with it?

>>6564418
Just draw bald people bro.

>>6564419
Blocking. Don't get all scientific, come up with shapes, make your own tools on the paper, Make your own shortcuts. Just get mileage, you'll stop for details further on the road ahead.

>>6564425
Ty

>>6564424
but I like girls with pretty hair.

>>6564423
Draw asses. A whole sketchook full just of close up on asses. Put a name for each ass: Abella Danger, Mia Malkova ,Jada Stevens..etc. And then sell it on Etsy/E-bay. Then Buy a good Pc, Learn AI, make more money. Draw for yourself. Be happy forever after.

>>6562802
5h03m later, I think I have sufficient experience to answer your question. The teeth are by far the hardest part and the most significant difference from the reference. I had significant clearance issues to the point where I needed to carefully repaint them so I could just barely fit in a missing tooth. I would recommend that if you do not start there, at least sketch out the teeth first.

Anyways, for anyone else, please critique. I think I'm pretty much done with this even though I know there's a lot more to do. Just run it through Stable Diffusion or something I guess.

>>6564446
Did some quick adjustments to improve the perspective.

Trying to paint it now

>>6564461
The reference has a nice red tone which you did not capture. You made made the whole piece a little lighter. And the bottom half is too tall. But no one would be able to tell if it weren't for the reference. Good effort.

Is anyone else over here intentionally neeting for the sake of drawing more/improving as fast as possible?

>>6564487
me

>>6564487
Drawing was just a by product/

>>6564467
Better?

>>6564535
soul

one day i will draw fubuki perfectly

what should i change about the composition?
i was thinking of making the birds smaller, maybe other elements too.
im trying to make it look like a botanical illustration so the proportions arent supposed to be realistic (or the positioning of plants) i just want it to look ok compositionally

its a sketch on a canvas . i painted digitally over it to plan the painting

>>6564535
Enhanced.

Pick up, anon. Halal department is calling.

Currently working on this one pic.
Yeah. The huge dude is a bit bland,I know.

>>6564423
Unironically just start drawing anything. Blank canvas, a pen, let your thoughts loose. Its the human brain equivalent of printer ink cleaning.

>>6564558
Honestly this looks really good and bad at the same time but I'm not sure why

Is this too flat for you?

>>6564423
When I think about how much shit I have to do in order to be decent at this I get overwhelmed. Sometimes I'll just trace something to get started and then fill in the rest by eye.

>>6564551
I think you should have more contrast in the image. It's hard to tell what i should be focusing on the birds or the dark foreground.

>>6564548
looks good my brother
finish it

If I can't draw heads and get the cube where the head should be, do I draw heads before getting into figure gesture and such?

>>6564589
to reiterate, I can make them using the ball + mask method, I cannot carve a head out of a cube, let alone make a cube at a specific angel, there are some cube angels I can do, others just suck.

>>6564601
>>6564589
pyw

>>6564602
Give me an hour or two? I had to take three days off due to anxiety and depression. I don't have any new humans done, just a head or not, that I hadn't posted before. Best I can do is ant.

>>6564603
py head

>>6564603
i want to have sex with this ant

the softcore porn poses on the usual pose sites aren't doing it for me
what do i do?

>>6564622
Image sets from the NSFW section of nyaa.si. Much higher resolution and multiple angles of the same girl.

>>6564607
I threw this together, did you want a full detailed head or the construction process I try and use? Again, was told to use a block/cube for everything in construction, but I keep fucking that up, and have been doing the circle method for heads a long time. Or trying, because circles are a bitch.

>>6564639
>construction process I try and use
yes
video if you can

>>6564650
This picture I am posting now isn't mine, but it will help communicate the idea?
>I start with a circle (this takes 5-10 min, have to make several circles then carefully erase until I get one that isn't shit.)
>Curved line down middle, in the direction the face is facing.
>Ovals where the ears or side of the face would be.
>slightly above center, mark where brow is
>slightly below center, mark where the center of the face will be once I add the "mask".
>make a line going down from the the curved middle face line at it's most "outward" point.
>make another line down the ear and try to puzzle out how long it would be for the chin
>connect the dots, erase the sphere inside, and it makes a "mask"
then from there try and find where I would put things based on reference and lines.

>>6564661
Didn't read but do fun with a pencil instead of shitty eceleb YouTube channels

>>6564661
>based on reference
photos, right? or are you guessing where the lines should be?

>>6564696
Photos yes.

>>6564697
ok, i understand now
you lack dexterity and observation skills aka being able to copy what you see

>>6564698
How do I improve those skill? Just practice?

>>6564699
Yep, that's what you gotta do. It takes time and practice to actually see anything instead of just looking.

>>6564699
>How do I improve those skill?
https://youtu.be/iK5Qn_Iwv9A
https://youtu.be/HMX3K3YMbd8

>>6564699
Ignore
>>6564701
>>6564700
Read keys to drawing and apply what you learn

>>6564703
>keys to drawing
>chapter 1
>draw from life
BEGTRAP

>>6564703
>read keys to drawing and get stuck because you're a prebeg who is literally unable to draw basic objects
sound advice

>>6564704
>>6564705
>ask da Vinci, Loomis, vilppu, any great master how to get good at drawing
>draw from life bro
>ask retard on anime forum how to get good at drawing
>DRAW.... LE SHAPES....

>>6564710
cont.
if you are drawing from life be sure to hire a instructor 24/7 to check your proportions or you will never improve

>>6564677
>Invaded by dark spirit MADS MIKKELSEN

>>6564710
>prebeg asks for advice
>here, read this very theory heavy book that you simply cannot understand because you dont know what you're doing
>prebeg tries to read it, gets frustrated because he can't replicate the examples and tasks
>gives up because the task is overbearing compared to his skillset
another victim claimed

>>6564630
recs?

>>6564698
I did not do the accuracy training thing yet, I'll get to it next. Will doing things like this, building construction over a body, actually help me or is this a form of tracing?

>>6564715
Awesome you're El Greco reincarnated.

>>6564732
>building construction over a body, actually help me
yes

Almost done.
Anything that looks off?

>>6564748
broken neck/head

>>6564748
The proportions are off. Her ribcage is super long. The boob is misplaced.

I've practiced my forms an anatomy but whenever I go to apply it, I can't produce. It has to be more than a skill issue right?

>>6564770
learn the bones and landmarks

>>6564740
its not perfect, but am I at least on the right track? How long am I supposed to go over a body before I can try from a reference on another page?

>>6564558
How do you get it to look so neat?

>>6564748
>>6564732
>>6564677
>>6564661
>>6564639
>>6564603
>>6564548
>>6564535
>>6564465
>>6564461
>>6564408
You guys all have tablets???

>>6564808
...Yes.

So here is another go at this and I rearranged some things to help make the poses look more natural.

>>6564805
>am I at least on the right track?
Your proportions are off. Your hip placement is off. You're just guessing at the construction. I recommend going back to whatever book you're studying and reading it again.

>>6564808
nah we are just pretty gud on our phones

>>6564808
I bought the tab S7+ last year it was like 600$ and I don't use it and use pencil and paper instead

>>6564829
I can see the stomach and hips, but Is the ribcage fucked too?

>>6564838
Yeah

>>6564748
i would make her chin more tucked in and hide the the half of her face a bit more, tit should be higher and not put at the side, the other anon said the neck was broken, it doesnt look like that tome

Well this is as far as I could push it, I'm done I guess. Back to studying again.

>tfw my drawing is in OP
Nice!

I just realized that is easier for me draw with my both hands at the same time, instead of just use my right hand. I feel some nice sensation in my head while I'm drawing with my two hands at the same time, and I never felt that before in my life.
I wonder if there is something wrong with my head.
I'm scared. I feel that I'm already addicted to this pleasant sensation that I feel when I'm drawing with my both hands at the same time.

>>6564893
As in... holding the pencil/stylus in both hands?

>>6564896
Yes. It's weird.
My classmates looked at me like I was some freak.

>>6564408
OP here is my typical routine.

Draw shapes on first page. Do an automatic drawing to loosen up. Then draw stuff around my room. I then was trying to really do some Loomis heads since I wanted to do some fantasy art.

What courses or path would you recommend to get decent for D&D 1st edition style art? I suck at construction and anatomy, and have ADHD for deeper stuff.

I have a made a few decent copies of fantasy artworks though.

Anyway, I'll post what I tried today. Main issue is today was that I find it really hard to do circles within circles for the Loomis method head.

>>6564904

>>6564893
>I'm already addicted to this pleasant sensation that I feel when I'm drawing
Sounds like a good plan

>>6564899
It does sound kind of retarded. But if it works for you, then I'm happy for you, anon.

>>6564904
Another one

>>6564874
How did you do the asphalt? Did it take long? I really wanna finish the shine layer and it looks like you have the right idea.

>>6564904
Dresser

>>6564899
I suppose it gets hard to get lines right with other hand weighting down on the pencil.

>>6564904
Forgot to mention that I've gone through so many books aka Keys To Reading, Drawing From The Right Side Of The Brain, used courses like the Watts Atelier stuff etc from the Batman Mega.

I have to draw in bed because my back is messed up from sitting and applying for jobs earlier this week. I got this little easel setup though on my lap.

Does anyone have any advice for me since I don't mind that I went straight to ink pens, but feel guilty in a weird way. I really hate pencil since it taps into my OCD but I never feel the same way about ink etc.

Should I maybe sketch in a lighter thin red ink pen and then hone in with a dark black ink pen?

Looking for some advice from inkers, and general ideas. Thanks.

>>6564816
Poses look great Anon. Dude on the right looks like a Thundercat type dude or some kind of sword and sorcery Conan type dude.

>>6564908
Hue...
I'm just a freak. I know. Thanks you for answer me.

>>6564916

Well the two are both characters from Xenogears.
The one on the right is Rico Banderas and I am surprised Square did not get sued by Capcom since he looks like Blanka from StrW2YVVKeet Fighter.

>>6564913
Sorry. I'm quite drunk.
I'm just an architecture freshman and English isn't my native language.
I think I will sleep now and regret begin so weird.

>>6564925
Its okay anon. Go sleep

>>6564408

I think I have disability. I can't draw symmetrically.

jojo

Stylized portrait of Tove Lo

>>6564938
pose

>tfw time for another late night crying episode of being a failure

>>6564948
be my gf?

>>6564910
That was the quickest part of the drawing by far. I was looking at the brushes (I use Clip Studio btw) and one of the airbrushes had little dots. So I painted over the flat gray with that. Mostly in white since the floor was supposed to be wet from the rain. I kinda half-assed it though since it seemed fairly easy and I got worn out from everything else. I don't know how effective It would look on sweaty skin.

Posted this in last thread but i worked on it a lil more

>>6564971
Bro, the proportions are fucked up

>procreate has an alpha lock
been using this shit for years now it feels like and i never knew…

I've been trying to figure out gestures for awhile now. No matter how I approach it, I can't get this flowy feel for figures.
I now think you are supposed to draw it with your whole arm, but it's kind of hard to do on small horizontal tablet. I also think you are supposed to draw it big, but it's hard to see proportions this way. Is the way just zooming in and drawing all over the screen?

drawing hinata from rival schools.
im about start the line art please pray for me

>>6565065
This is already lined?

>>6565104
just with the pencil tool. i was going to go over it again with the brush so it'd look cleaner.

>>6565105
Could skipped a whole step, had you used the brush from the start.

>>6564935
do symmetrical exercises

>>6565113
yeah i guess im just used to doing it this way so i didn't even think about it. ill try that next time.

How do you guys keep yourself motivated to keep doing the basic exercises and not getting distracted? I keep failing at it. I train basic stuff for a few days then get an idea to draw something original (that's way out of my skill level most the time), waste a week or more on it only to realize it sucks and was a waste of valuable time.

>>6564408
Guys, is my thigh alright?

I can't find a proper reference for bent and foreshorted thigh seen from behind

>>6565179
Use the basics in stuff you want to draw.
What you're doing is pretty good imo

i have no imagination bros, is this part of being non white?

>>6565180
Just delete the line on the thigh for the cald you wouldn't really see that.

>>6565179
Stop chasing motivation and just discipline yourself

5 mins a day. Everyday
And be sure to exercise and sunlight.
Dopamine overload from the internet ruined everyone's attention span. Reclaim it with good lifestyle

>>6565185
Ok, got it
I really can't find a reference for the damn thigh
Help

>>6565184
You won't have an imagination if you don't imitate first

You can't grow crops without seeds

>>6565188
> And be sure to exercise and sunlight.
Well I get enough of that every day so that’s not an issue.

>>6565179
>How do you guys keep yourself motivated
I do automatic drawing from time to time
https://youtu.be/fVY5gla0FN
https://youtu.be/MJYGFwGhHnA

>>6565179
>How do you guys keep yourself motivated
I do automatic drawing from time to time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVY5gla0FNQ
https://youtu.be/MJYGFwGhHnA

>>6565188
>5 mins a day. Everyday
Does this really help? Can you really learn aynthing in 5min?

>>6565210
>Can you really learn aynthing in 5min?
discipline

Hand practice. The hand in the top right was from imagination and my favorite hand I've drawn so far. A few of these are from Morpho.

>hate drawing
>love art
>too poor to commission others
>too moral to use AI
why did god make me this way

>>6565247
God gives his hardest battles to his best soldiers. Now pick up that pencil.

whats the point of even posting here when nobody gives critiques or responds to your art

>making good progress now
>think about how much time I wasted playing games as a kid
>especially games like LoL and WoT
It's a fucked up feeling.

>>6565250
If you want legitimate advice then why are you on 4chan

>>6565255
Yeah

>>6564939
>white on white paper
Interesting choice

>>6564940
Looks good, wish I could do drapery like that

>>6564677
happy you finally finished it, i remember yoir WiPs

>>6565250
You're welcome to leave.

>>6565279
i mean i never existed here desu. i was always just that int/low pro lurking to see if anyones improved. But it just angers me to see beg artist not getting any critique, or replies. It makes them demotivated, and makes them think that nobody cares about their work

>>6565285
>>6565250
Goes both ways, often you give advice and there's no response back.
Or that one guy always responding with 'the blind leading the blind lol'
I help when I feel like it.
It is what it is.

>>6565285
>It makes them demotivated, and makes them think that nobody cares about their work
That's the lesson.

I tried copying an illustrator I like because I thought it would be much faster doing only black and white and something stylized but I couldn't be more wrong. This is much worse than everything before and literally took me an hour to do and yet it looks like shit. How the fuck do you get good at this?

>>6565365
Hey it's Mordred. I think you did well with the face and hands for the most part.

>>6565365
>>6564701

>>6564808
no i draw on my phone with my penis

This colour jitter thing is kinda ugly but I like it

>>6564630
sorry, guess i misspoke. what i meant to say is that i find them uninspiring and would like something more natural

>>6564548
Shoulders and chest too small.

>>6564971
Not good at giving verbal feedback so here.

I just blue myself

>>6565503
I do like the painting and colors but I feel like the head is a little too squashed.

>>6565513
Much better. Mine was for sure goomba-ed You just stretched up a bit?

is there a video guide on how to draw heads with hamptons method?
i fucking suck at learning from reading, i need to see it done step by step.

3/4 angle and portrait aren't an issue, mainly i just dont get how to draw profile heads. he doesn't show any steps he used to turn the circle into this. the circle is just completely fucking gone.

>>6565065

>>6565527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Zm_dyVqkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfn4HZQv7tw
?

>>6565522
Yep! I used this app called cymera and used the liquify feature. It's used for editing selfies but it works for art very well too.

>>6565365
Take the constructoid pill.

i'm having fun but honestly i'm coming to terms with the fact that the kind of art i enjoy making just isn't up to part with what people are looking for. maybe i'll follow my dreams of being a marine biologist instead
>>6565503
this rules
>>6565480
this also rules

>>6565579
Explain

>>6565539
Appreciate the tip & fix mate

Trying to construct bodies

Making the square is weird and the oval method is wonky so I kinda did a square for the torso and gave the front face an oval shape
I did an eclipse for the hips and just let the reference guide me connecting it to the upper torso square
I curved the belly button area for a sphere to guide the navel

Erased some of the lines below because something about all the noise messes up my brain and makes me go crazy
I HATE PRACTICING ART I HATE IT IT'S TOO HARD!!! but I am somewhat satisfied with this result

>>6565625

>>6565604
You use construction to draw.

>>6565633
HOW DO I DO BETTER

Tips on drafting quicker and/or better thumbnailing?

>>6565669
>>6565625
Do a bunch of just the simplified form of the figure.
Don't add facial features etc.
Just a bunch of cylinders speheres and the like.

>>6565688
I think I have trouble turning the basic shapes into the body
like okay I can make a square or oval for the rib
do I just wing the curves based on how it's rotated?

>>6565694
attempt 2 trying to not think like a retard

Rought 3 min gesture. For a quick one is it right? Also lately im going way too autistic about the way im doing them like im doing a fuck up or something and im going to learn drawing mistakes.

>>6565695
learn anatomy first then use boxes and what not to construct the body

>>6565695
>>6565732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH0Vkkc3Mgw

I hate construction so much

>>6565741
Ye begs should just be doing figure drawing.

When doing copies is doing lines to measure proportions a bad habit?

If I don't do that the drawing shits the bed 2 strokes in

I’m trying to finish up old animations.
https://files.catbox.moe/hrm1td.webm
How does it look?

>>6565741
feel the forms then

How do I set up my painting brush? Trying to follow Sinix video and I like how hard edge everything is. But he doesn't have opacity on right? Although I'm pretty sure I've read multiple times from here that I should be using opacity. Should I just have one blocking out brush and another brush with opacity jitter on? Using CSP

how are these? no ref

>>6565749
kino

>>6564408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlXQCMd5M0

Does anyone have a guide or video on constructing a grinning expression that doesn't make a character look like they want to fucking die? I have this problem every time I try to do it, and you can always tell I'm trying inordinately hard on the mouth/cheeks.

>>6565745
>doing lines to measure proportions a bad habit?
the red ones? no, but only use to check your propotions

as a pre-/beg/ (maybe even pre-pre-/beg/), is there anything that can be done to stop symbol drawing the eyes and mouth in particular? the actual expression seems to get completely mangled every time

>>6565785
>is there anything that can be done to stop symbol drawing the eyes and mouth in particular?
yes
>pre-pre-/beg/
no

>>6565740
something like this? Fuck I now remembered steve hustons anatomy courses which I still have.

>>6565789
so basically, it can be done, just not at my current level?

>>6565791
yes

>>6565536
thanks i didn't notice how wide the shoulders were

>>6565793
ok, so how does one advance to the level where one is able to not symbol draw eyes and mouths? I've been drawing every day for a couple months now but it seems like I'm still not at /beg/ level yet

>>6565799
Draw what you see, not what you think you see.

>>6565799
This gets asked like every thread desu. Heads are hard to draw, take a lot of practice and alot of fundie knowledge. If you want to learn them you can read Loomis's head drawing book(s) but even then if you don't have good fundies they will probably still turn out bad. You need to understand forms as well as head anatomy. Personally I learned a lot from vilppu's lecture on heads as he explains the forms of the head really well, currently I am reading Loomis' drawing the heads and hands.

>>6565790
There is very little (subtle?) gesture in standing up straight. And the drawing you picked as a reference is just looking kinda whack. If I were you I'd pick better and more obvious gestures, and watch Steve.

>>6565768
I love you.

>>6565744
you don't know what figure drawing is

>>6565827
no u

>>6565805
>currently I am reading Loomis' drawing the heads and hands
the sad part is, I actually have been drawing loomis heads and I'm still at pre-/beg/ level, but maybe it's just a matter of it taking a lot of iteration.
is a year of drawing every day a reasonable timeframe to go from pre-/beg/ to regular /beg/?

>>6565770
you should show less construction lines in the faces, especially females, as it makes them look old

I would also avoid drawing the full contour of the lips, placing lines only on the places where the lip casts a shadow with a hard edge. I am not completely sure what you are going for, but your drawings kind of remind me of those wiki how drawings, which have their place, but are a little bit bland, I mean no offense

otherwise pretty good three dimensional sense, pose variety and gestures

i drew a shot of some fuckin hot thing i saw in one punch man manga, i made it a week ago idk if ill finish it

>>6565855
the woman was the thing i saw on one punch man, not hot sex

>>6565838
I am also kind of pre beg, but since you aren't really receiving advice I will give you my grain of salt. An exercise that helped me draw better eyes was constructing one
Go draw an eye, remember
The inside part is a sphere, draw a sphere first. Then there is a hole in the eye that receives the light, draw that hole.
now, there is skin covering the sphere, draw that skin.
Doing that should get you an understanding of the eye, and thus giving you the knowledge to stop the symbol drawing

>>6565838
>is a year of drawing every day a reasonable timeframe to go from pre-/beg/ to regular /beg/?
NTA but you're not even at pre-/beg/ level yet, again, it's debatable whether or not you're even pre-pre-/beg/.
If you actually continue drawing at all (which, I'll be honest with you, you should think long and hard about) you should genuinely expect to be at it for a decade or so before you start making anything decent, as anyone producing garbage like you are after "a couple months now" is probably incapable of much that actually requires critical thought and observation skills.
I say this for your own good -- maybe pick up hiking or something else less mentally intensive, something that doesn't require the same kind of fine motor skills. You need to step back and think about how much being "able to draw" really means to you.

>wow anon it’s so cool that you draw! what kind of things do you draw?
uhhhh…nothing. i grind boxes and cylinders and then complain on the internet that i haven’t improved at anything i actually want to do

>>6565877
this is a crab talking

~1 hr quickie

>>6565877
Maybe for you, I'd actually say it's an underestimating. I went from getting ridiculed on here when I posted to getting people asking for my blog and reaching out for comms in under a year. I'm not great but I'm not bad anymore. I don't know how to put it in terms of beg to int but, if you keep at it daily and do truly try to get better, you can make great progress.
Inb4 post your work, probably not.

I want to ask someone to do a red line on what should be done for this pic.

>>6565877
Shut the fuck up crab.

>>6565838
Other anons are giving you some bad advice. Accuracy is the first step for a /beg/, turn the portrait upside-down and learn to see the shapes first. Then turn them right side up and practice block-ins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8

>mfw I finally solved my colouring hair problem
Holy fuck, I've finally seen the light.

>>6565761
Better than everything I can even make that's for sure.
>>6564408
How to translate the detail of references that are either digital or woodcuts into pencil and paper drawing. I'm struggling with this hard.

>>6565969
drawing with the right side of the brain is a shit book
and you will never learn how to draw from memory you accuracy nigger

>>6565995
Hey, you fucking subhuman, did I say draw from accuracy your entire life? No. I said accuracy for a /beg/ is the FIRST step, not the only step. Post your work right fucking now.

>>6565943
>Maybe for you, I'd actually say it's an underestimating. I went from getting ridiculed on here when I posted to getting people asking for my blog and reaching out for comms in under a year.
You were probably just a regular /beg/ though, not below pre-/beg/ like the guy that was being replied to.

Here is a pic that I have tried to draw using this pic as reference.

>>6565946

>>6565998
Pic is you drawing what you think it should look, not what you actually see

>>6565790
never do connected short strokes before doing anatomy or something
>>6565735
Good drawing from shit referemce
>>6564940
I have no idea why people pour their attention to face amd abandon other stuffs
>>6564880
Talented
>>6564578
Projection seems off


t. an absolute idiot so just better to ignore this reply

>>6566030
No shit, dumbass, I was proving the point that you don't have to be married to accuracy for your entire life, now pyw

>>6564408
Be honest with me /beg/ how shit is this?
Are the proportions even remotely correct? I used one of the woodcuts about the Mohocks (english gang) as ref to make the one with the tricorn hat.
Am I even /beg/ yet?

>>6566036
Im not >>6565995, just another person. didnt know such book existed

but my drawing looks shit so i guess you win

>>6566052
FUCK. It was giving me a connection error so I refreshed and forgot the pic.

>>6565943
What was your daily routine and pyw?

>>6566054
Pre/beg/ imo. Best tips I can give you at this stage is to really observe what you're seeing in your ref. Draw what you see, not what you think, and pay attention to the light and dark values. Try to just copy a few simple objects and not an entire face or person. For example, pictures of fruits or flowers. You will rapidly increase in skill by just copying references when you're this /beg/.

another attempt at >>6565785, probably still well below pre-/beg/ will try again another time and see if I can get to /beg/ level

Keys vs fun with a pencil?

>>6566110
Keys first then fun with a pencil

>>6566112
Why in that order?

Hello beg, i drew sumo fight for some random internet dude. I still have long way to go but its not disaster. it is fresh air after all the books. tommorow i will do one more prompt and then back to the grind

>>6564725
I am here to get gud, drawing and PYWing. Simple as
>>6566065
thats good enough for beg anon. go to next exercise
>>6566029
at least you stopped reposting that birthing pic in every single thread :-)
>>6565984
you are basically asking how to do textures
https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/148
>>6565977
>didnt PYW
>>6565940
nice emo succubus
>>6565938
good coom material
>>6565779
when you smile whole fucking face changes. if you are only changing mouth then it will produce different expression. focus on eye brows, eyes and cheeks
>>6565761
int
>>6565250
thats like asking what is the point of putting your shit into museum when you cannot stand there 24/7 and bothering visitors with requests for crit and or money. Also we are building here the Babylon tower by drawing. It is like a community.
>>6565184
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/327374.Keys_to_Drawing_with_Imagination
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6886931-imaginative-realism
>>6565179
i just draw
>>6565019
you are supposed to use maximum drawing area. and gesture is something you can comprehend only by doing thousands of them (according to nicolaides and eviston)
>>6564948
put your feels and tears into canvas, that will make art
>>6564935
drawing symmetrical shapes is omega hard. its because your hand must use different group of muscles when you draw back <> forward so despite it looking easy its the direct opposite
>>6564874
you have big issues with the values which make it look very uncanny. it is like she is standing bellow the brightest light source in existence, brighter than the sun. other than that it is good
>>6564808
cheap large xp-pen screenless tablet anon reporting in
>>6564677
soul
>>6564578
this isnt flat at all, it has all the depth illusions correctly applied

>>6565761
Good flow on the clothes.

>>6565761
you successfully made it past pre-/beg/ into regular /beg/, good job anon

>>6566125
The observational skills you learn from keys to drawing are very useful for fun with a pencil

>>6566125
reading keys to drawing is more useful for someone literally just starting out than actually drawing, honestly. so it will be more useful for the people its designed for than any of the loomis books

What are they looking at?

Why are my lines soo god damn ugly. Like yeah sure I lack confidence but my lines are always so sharp and they really add a lot of stress to my drawings. I bought like a waxy pencil but it still looks the same.
Pic related

>>6566185
(You) still being prebeg after all these years

>>6566214
Relax your hand muscles.
Excersise your hand movements

>>6566257
Fuck you mother fucking sack of shit

Not directly about art technicals but related, how do I stop being an impatient cunt who makes all his drawing in under an hour.
I just can bring myself to stop and draw in a calm manner unless I am either tired or in a very particular state of mind I'm not in often. And I think it's hurting my attempts at bettering my skills because I blaze through whatever the fuck I'm doing and it ends up being extremely dirty doodles.

>>6566286
make it draw quicker
30s~1m timed pose capture helped me

>>6566286
Unironically I think the more you learn the longer you will draw because of all the shit you do then eventually you will get so good you can draw really fast again

>>6566185
Does the girl fuck the raccoon?

>>6566336
Ew. No. What kind of person do you think I am?

Do you really have to be "in the zone" at all times to draw well? Tinnitus keeps snapping me out of it

>>6565877
>>6566165
>>6566257
gtfo crab

>>6564408
some timed warmup sketches from this morning. Focus was gesture, getting an expression onto the face, line economy, no more than 2 strokes per line in order to keep it quick and not get caught up in detail

Took the criticism to the anon last time.

What do you guys think of this piece? Any critique would be appreciated.

>>6564408
i feel like there's something wrong with her head/face proportions but i can't put my finger on it
please help me friends

>>6566441
Needs more 3d effect. Use shadows.

>>6566447
Like this? Or do you want to keep the tomboy look?
>>6566441
She only has 4 fingers.

>>6566459
damn she still looks masculine? i thought i fixed that already hahaha
i'll try making the face smaller like what you did
thank you friend

>>6566468
Not that bad actually, it's mostly the sharp chin.
Remeber the smaller the triangle between the eyes and the nose hte 'cuter' it is . Some go as far as putting the nose between the eyes.
Also not showing the full pupils and lowering the eyelid so she doesn't look wide eyed.
Lastly the mouth is a bit wide, it goes as far as the tearduct. there about.
Oh and maybe the curve of the neck to the chin like I did, more curvy instead of an abrupt stop under the chin.

>>6566469
understood
thank you very much for the notes!

>>6566257
Delusional crab. His anatomy is already pretty fucking solid.

How do you guys manage to put out drawings and sketches so fast? I unironically spend like 2 hours on a rough sketch because I tunnelvision into the slightest details. I'm the slowest artist ever. Picrel is the master study I've been working on for like 20 hours and I'm not even in the middle yet. Any tips?

>>6566493
your problem is you spend too much time working on a single drawing. You are also wasting time attempting to fix issues that can only be fixed at the start of the drawing.

You need to practice. Limit yourself to 10 min, move on after the time is up, keep doing this. you will eventually notice and target your weaknesses. do this for an hour, after the hour is up, test yourself with a 30 min drawing. ask yourself what you struggle on and how you can attack and improve those issues. repeat repeat repeat. 1 hour of 10 min practice drawings, 1 test drawing for 30 minutes.

>>6566496
>You are also wasting time attempting to fix issues that can only be fixed at the start of the drawing.
What do you mean by this? I traced the line art so I'm pretty confident I got the proportions right. It's more of a color and value study as well as learning digital (I just bought a tablet).

>>6566491
uuhhhh no its not lmao

>>6566493
Timed figure drawings.

why do /begs/ get crits and replies but not /ints/? Genuinely curious.

>>6564408

>>6566565
real /int thread
>>6544922

>>6566552
Stop crabbing and pyw.

>>6564408
a pumpking Im doing for a gig.

>>6566595
I think it could be more interesting if it wasn't so round, but the rendering is pretty nice, good job

>>6566635
Thanks bud. it's pretty simple. This is an illustration im making for myself. I'm just rendering the metal and the face is a long way to go. But I'm liking the process.

>>6564408

My unironic attempt at smth, I guess I should continue to just draw or is smth really sticking out? (apart from the fucked arm and other leg)

>>6566674
Not bad but you should study more construction (building forms with geometrical shapes in perspective) and some anatomy then. Do gesture to learn how joints move and how to convey movement/figure.

I always find the planning for my initial sketch to be the hardest part of my art process. What can I do to improve the planning phase for this sketch?

>>6566696
I think that planning should be first done on charcoal on a regular page first. Doing gesture-like tests first. You need to study the basics of composition and construction first though. Gesture drawing and composition study is the best way to go.

>>6566185
>>6566184
>>6566065
>>6565855
>>6565761
>Torchic used scratch

>>6566696
You've already finished some parts, while other parts are literally just sticks. Keep your sketch a sketch.

>>6566696
kino

I'm GROWING (doodled this on my phone. If anyone has recommendations on how I can convey this better at the same level of detail lmk)

I made exactly two straight lines on a tablet without a ruler, and a mediocre cube. The war continues.

been drawing for a month and a half now, i noticed my visualization is getting sharper. my minds eye used to be blurry and hard to focus now i can actually hold shapes together for more than a couple seconds.
nm just a neat observation i made.

>>6566650
Hey, I just started working on an apple too.

1. Drawabox?
2. Should I really use my shoulder to draw? Esp. since I don't have a big canvas (just an A5 notebook)

>>6567052
I'm like, super ultra beg but yes yes yes!! Holy fuck, I started using my shoulder and elbow and I get much straighter lines, and longer motions. Your wrist is fine for small details but I feel like I have a lot more motor control with my shoulder and elbow.

>>6566155

Nigger,what can I do to make this pic better?

Can you do a red line or something?

>>6565946

A series of 60s Quickposes figures.

Any way to make a more convincing angle for the guy masturbating.

>>6565938

>>6567076
jesus fucking christ

>>6567092
kek, wtf is with this place?

What's dynamic sketching? can you pirate that shit?

>>6567112
>What's dynamic sketching?
beg trap

>>6567120
EVERYTHING'S A FUCKING BEG TRAP
SOME ASSHOLE SAYS ONE THING IS A TRAP, SOME OTHER SAYS IT'S GOOD
WHAT THE FUCK IS NOT A TRAP THEN

>>6567107
Not everyone has garbage fetishes, anon.

construction and understanding form is a beg trap bros

>>6567125
Don't be such a prude.

>>6567092
>>6567107
>>6567125

Can you niggers help me out or not?

Here is another pic that is more recent.

>>6567112
i have it downloaded. i got it from the /ic/ torrent. it’s about the same as drawabox if you don’t wanna go through the hassle of torrenting it IMO. online courses club might have it idk I haven’t checked but i love that site.

>>6567122
nothing
everything is a trap
even this place is a trap
just draw theory is bullshit

>>6564408
I set my canvas at 1920 x 1080, but is that too small? I feel like I am doing borderline pixel art on some features.

>>6567170
6000x4300 is the standard

>>6567122
the way most anons use it, seems to be
>anything that I used to get better = not a /beg/ trap
>anything that I didn't use = /beg/ trap

>>6567173
Sucks, I had a good manikin going for once, but when the face details were super squished and pixels were overlapping I felt it.

>>6567144
Perspective's fucked on the chest of drawers.

>>6567089

>>6567122
when some one says something is good it means something about it is good, you can try it. when some one says something is beg trap he is nodraw asshole and you can ignore him..

>>6567170
Do YOU think it's too small? Do you think it's fine to do borderline pixel art? You don't need anyone's permission to change it.

>>6567199
Well, I can't get the face details. The head feels cramped.

been understanding form a lot better lately.

What am I supposed to do to learn how to draw? What am I supposed to do if I want to learn/do other things while learning how to draw? Is it too late in the year to start drawing?

Could I get some feedback or a redline on my sketch? I feel that the anatomy and fore shorting is off

>>6567222
I was looking at this and started to laugh once I saw the left arm sorry

Diapers are too expensive

>>6567222
Prompt?

Keys to drawing, more like keys to kneeling, I can't do it, I can't do anything at all, I suck, I fail, send me to nodraw jail.

>>6566582

>Stop crabbing and pyw.

>>6567269

How about this pic?

>>6564408
thinking about the corrugator supercilii

>>6567269
I know it's not finished yet but the abdomen looking almost photorealistic while everything else is very clearly a drawing is rather jarring.
Also
if THAT is /beg/ then what isn't?
Its fucking over.

>>6567289
learn how to draw characters in perspective

>>6567309
yeah ik. i shouldve just posted the shading layer, but i just wanted to respond to anon who said i was crabbing.

>>6567320
Any tutorials?

>>6567309
>if THAT is /beg/ then what isn't?
Not that guy but I have no fucking idea anymore. Half the shit people post in here is not what I consider /beg/.

>>6567309
Lol that is not anything more than /beg/ anon. That abdomen is pretty fucking far from being photorealistic. But yes it does look jarring.
>inb4 crab pyw
Just being realistic about it all.

>>6567365
crab pyw

>>6567320
But that's difficult and I want to see improvement immediately without putting the work in.

>>6567371
based

>>6567365
Show me what isn't /beg/ please.
I am not trying to fight. I just can't cope with that being /beg/

>>6567373
There isn't anything in this thread that isn't beg or low int imo, but I haven't scrolled the entire way up and I can't be fucked. The good news is that you can climb out of pre/beg/ in a few days max.

>>6567329
krenz gumroad
you can download from here
/ic/ official torrent
>>>/t/1069595
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0aebc0f02e6c179b62e04c69af3e5adee3abee12&dn=IC-STUDY

>>6567380
ow did you even tell I'm pre/beg/

>>6567380

>>6567269
>>6567276
not the op but isnt this at least mid int? i cant cope with this being beg tier. cause if thats beg, then that means im below pre beg

beg is subjective
prove me wrong

>>6566565
Because the worse you are, the larger the pool of people who think they're qualified to give you advice.

>>6567380
Even then, do link or post something that isn't /beg/ or low /int/
Because apparently, I have never even glimpsed true quality and skill.

Having some fun doodling bodies.

>do something right
>Get a good result
>Forgot completely the process and how I got there
What the fuck why this always happens to me?

>>6567438

requesting critiques for this panel.
I'm going to base the entire art direction on the rest of the project based on this panel, so anything helps

Lmao beg, today my shit is very lmao all around. Back to the grind with my beg body!

>>6567496
push value range harder (shadows), otherwise its cute
>>6567405
you are correct
>>6567221
keys to drawing. if you manage to draw every day for hour or two you will eventually succeed. oh and you also must pyw daily, even if it is grad disaster like mine
>>6567047
>loomis in liquid form
seems like a beg trap to me, the only acceptable forms of loomis are books!
>>6566780
>>6566650
very nice apples
>>6566595
this could outright be in any videogame. its pro level
>>6566565
because they mog everybody so hard not even crabs dare to go near them?
>>6566434
nice dildo
>>6567064
nope, you keep reposing the same batch of pictures over and over here and in beg cord and there is nothing really wrong with them. you just need to go and draw something new instead of reposing same 5 pictures over and over.

>>6564423
motivation is a fickle and unreliable thing when it comes to anything, like for lifting or keeping schedule etc.
stop looking for motivation, motivation will come to you when it wants.
stop waiting for some reward sensation, just do the work.

thats how i feel about it anyway

>>6567225
should i redraw the left arm then?? how so.

Should I copy something to make myself feel better about my motor capabilities?

So what do you guys think of this pic?

Does it make me a fraud or a genius to put my rough draft into ai, tweak the draft based on the ai (only anatomy not creativity) , then continue with the finished piece.

>>6567617
I mean you won't improve or get better by doing that which is the exact opposite of what you want to do with art

>>6567649
the ribs look very weird. That's now how stick-out ribs look.
I can't tell you how to fix it because I'm Pre/beg/tarded but I found a stock photo that may help you.
https://www.shutterstock.com/es/image-photo/skinny-girl-dark-straight-hair-almondshaped-371054336

>>6567657
Btw you need to give the ribs volume, they look painted on.

>>6567649

>>6567496
How is the character's hair floating? If they're in a bubble on the ocean dloor, then there's nothing to keep the hair suspended like that.

Right now im working through lesson 1 of DAB, Dynamic Sketching 1 video course, slowly going through keys to drawing and drawing on right side of the brain, and doing at least 1 lineart copy every day. At the low level im at right now i dont know what else i should be doing. Construction? Gesture? My line quality and anatomy are not great

Tried fixing the old one and did a new one.

>>6567718
Personally not a fan of ‘connect the cylinders’ it can take away from quick flowing gesture lines and the base of the cylinders look like they are added without much forethought. You captured the poses well but you are at a stage where quantity is more important than quality

>>6567668
Ill just file this one into my fanart folder gegegegege

>>6567730
To expand on what I mean
>>6567657
>>6567668
Thanks for the critique but I already finished the piece
I had a feeling something was wrong with the ribs and mouth placement too

>>6567309
proportions are ok, rendering is very silly and anatomy is a little confused

>>6567793
thanks.

>>6567703
you don’t need to do both DAB and Dynamic Sketching they’re practically the same thing

NEW THREAD
>>6567952
>>6567952
>>6567952

>>6567289

>>6564408
thoughts on this? I think its a ton better than stuff ive made previously and i can tell im getting better but its still kinda off in a way i cant understand. Also i took like an hour just tryng to draw the eyes at least semi passable

>>6567617
You absolutely can learn and improve with that, but you need to apply yourself.

Should i complete DrawABox entirely or just skip at some point to Dynamic Sketching by Peter Han? I see both start teaching pretty much the same thing, but even if DrawABox is making me improve, it feels unproffesional and cringy

>>6569606
first chapter of drawabox up through the 250 boxes seems to be agreed on as being the most useful part for a brand new beginner. take a look at irshad's art if you want to see why people often don't trust it past the basic ass basics, probably best just to switch to dynamic sketching after drawing all the boxes

Where you guys find references for poses.

I'm trying to copy the picture on the right without drawing
Wish me good luck

>>6570780
P.S.:
forgot picture

>>6570781

>>6570819

>>6570832
Already getting skewed. You're instinctively trying to draw the features straighter than they are. The mouth and eyes are basically at a 45° angle in the model. Draw some guide lines at the edges in the image, or just compare their angles by holding your stylus up to the screen.