/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Thread's Challenge:

is there any node-based program that's also decent at painting

>>6242969
what's a node based program?

>>6242991
you connect different images and functions together by dragging lines between nodes
instead of a stack of layers

lots of compositing and 3d programs work that way

maybe I will try blender

Am I cucking myself if I practice drawing straight lines by tracing photographs?

>>6243016
tracing is useless

>>6243038
even for getting accustomed to a screenless drawing tablet?

>>6243040
drawing is more productive

>>6243016
I don't think it matters how

the peter han course has you practice straight lines just by tracing over them alone
and arcs, waves, circles, etc.
or just draw anything

Reposting in new thread, after doing a few of these I found out that I have a habit of tilting the figure, how do I stop this? Is this an accuracy issue? I think my perspective is slightly off on the beginning which then throws off the rest of my construction.

>>6243053
If possible, flip your image horizontally as you're drawing to check. If your person is tilted, it'll be REALLY noticeable when you flip.

Then just start be aware of if you're tilting and you'll start to get an eye for catching it. I think there are other ways that involve looking at where the center of gravity is or something, but I haven't studied that so I can't really say.

>>6242956

pic on the left is me opening up Vilppu's drawing manual two weeks ago vs some gesture practice tonight lol

>>6243053
use liquify to fix it and go on with your day

>>6243085
very good work

>>6243085
So you basically ditched all of vilppus advice about feeling the flow (which you were trying to capture in left) and just went back to drawing contours exclusively?

>>6243157
i dropped the book actually, ill come back to it. this is from eviston's course.

>>6242969
Literally Photoshop except it used layers. Actually literally any image editing program. Nodes? Lol.

Arnold

Doing some vilppu

>>6243328
He monkey

>>6243330
Trannime is a disease

>>6243331
N-no!
Redline pls.

>>6243053
Quick (<5min) pen & ink take. IMO be more judicious with the weight bearing leg. The perspective makes it tricky to identify the contrapposto but it's there. If you can get the weight to read the rest falls into place

Haven't drawn in a year. Lost all my gains. What do I do now? I feel like killing myself daily.

>>6243350
Quick (<5min) pen & ink take. IMO be more judicious with the weight bearing leg. The perspective makes it tricky to identify the contrapposto but it's there. If you can get the weight to read the rest falls into place

>>6243353
Quick (<5min) pen & ink take. IMO be more judicious with the weight bearing leg. The perspective makes it tricky to identify the contrapposto but it's there. If you can get the weight to read the rest falls into place

>>6243355
God dammit i fucked up this post so many fucking times. Meant for >>6243053 I'm going to fucking bed, fuck this.

>>6243352
Is that Andrew Tate?

How in the world are you supposed to know how to divide a sphere correctly at this point? Do you just eyeball it? I remember reading some perspective book where the guy took like 2-3 pages drawing a cube in perspective around the sphere to get it right

Slowly building my first coomer piece that I'm actually proud of, althought I have no clue how to blend colors or do proper hair.

>>6243385
Yes :)

>>6243403
just feel the form bro :^)

>>6243403
>constructoid needs 2-3 pages to divide a sphere
lol

Painted a wave on my Nintendo DS

>>6243485
dilate tranny
>the modern-"art" faggot fears the chad traditional fundie studiers

Are there any actual good artists who have Youtube videos or Twitch streams? All these fucking social media influencers like Proko, Jazza, insert your favorite e-celeb here, are all shit and C+ level artists at best. Literally all of the popular ones are so fucking bad. They all seem only good enough to impress absolute retard beginners with clickbait "tutorials and guides", but their art is pretty shit beyond that. Only person I've found showing pro level work and process and giving tips is Jim Lee. Besides that the best option seems to be just watching random godlike Japs and Koreans with no commentary or them speaking alien languages.

>>6243649
Marco bucci is a bretty gud teacher
Clint Cleary is cool and does art for mtg
There's lots of good artists on youtube but they all teach the same fundamental things within their scope of subject matter

>>6243053
How/Where do you find images like that?

>>6242955
>RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
In what order?
And what about /permabeg/s who have been doodling on and off for years and may or may not have had classes that failed to stick?

>>6243504
Is it just me or constructoids are always these zoomers who can't express themselves without memes?
>dude chad.. And trannies!

>>6243682
you can pick any or just one, most of them teaches the same thing just different teaching method. I would go with vipplu because there is a video course(with the same name) that goes with the book, so you can follow along. You can find that video course in the video course thread along side with others course you can try.

>prefers generic trannime to classy 50s dames

NGMI retard

>constructoid
Is this some forced meme made by no-draw retards? Imagine dismissing a core fundamental like it's some new gotcha moment.

Is it normal to rotate the canvas a lot when drawing on a tablet? I can't for the life of me draw proper lines at certain angles without it.

Copy from Morpho book. Didn’t like the first one at all and attempted again while consulting notes.
>doesn’t notice male proportions until halfway through but keeps the schlong because he thought an accidental futa drawing would be funny

loomis is a gangsta god damn

i love this book now

>>6243690
seems I struck a nerve, so I'd like to double down and remind you that you'll never be a woman and you should an hero, join the 42%

>>6243053
Quick (<5min) pen & ink take. IMO be more judicious with the weight bearing leg. The perspective makes it tricky to identify the contrapposto but it's there. If you can get the weight to read the rest falls into place

How do you resist the urge to show the first 5 minute doodle you made to everyone?

>>6243748
Why would you want to resist the urge, I'm sure there would be someone would be interested in seeing your art.
But if you want an actual answer, either delete the doodle right after you're done or just post it somewhere randomly, like here for example or some other drawing related thread.

>>6243756
I would instantly transform into an Esdeathschizo if I did that, not from saying anything per-se, but from merely posting my artwork. I'd like to be less impulsive, maybe, if I stuck to it... a 1 hour doodle.

>>6243763
>when only the artist themselve know what they are looking at

rate my art pls

>>6242955
Can I have some crit? I know I'm beg but is there anything especially bad

>>6243682
>what order?
depends on the individual
>what about /permabeg/s who have been doodling on and off for years and may or may not have had classes that failed to stick?
don't bother with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, because pretty much every art class is based on it so clearly it doesn't work for you

>>6243791
I dont like it
Looks pseudodeep and also I just dont like the way it looks aesthetically
Maybe you can put like a texture filter over it and it'll look better

>>6243813
>depends on the individual
How do I know what individual you are?
>because pretty much every art class is based on it so clearly it doesn't work for you
It assumes you have a mirror so of course not.

>>6243822
>How do I know what individual you are?
They're all downloadable pdfs right? Unless you have a data limit, just download them all and go through the first couple of exercises to see which one clicks with you the best. Don't worry, grinding your fundies more to find out isn't going to do you any harm.
>It assumes you have a mirror so of course not.
I don't like the book personally but just like use a bowl of water nigger.

>>6243791
Thumbnail is ok. Crosses over nipples is an appealing look that has stood the test of time. Vague political commentary is cringe and significantly cheapens your art, no matter how cheap it is to begin with. Head looks like part of it is lopped off but I feel like any objective problems with the anatomy are going to be things you don't care about since you slapped "daily mail" over the eyes. Anatomy in general is heavily smoothed-out and doesn't really sell that it's a person with bones and muscles, so I'd suggest doing some figure studies. Rendering is really fuzzy, not saying you have to have all hard edges but your edge control is not very good.

Did you enjoy making this? It doesn't give the impression that you did. I think even brutal or depressing art gives a feeling of enjoyment or at least passion if it comes from a place of authenticity. Even practice/grinding has that sense in the way the lines are laid down if the person enjoyed doing it.

>>6243874
Does simply copying environment photos really help me learn color?

>>6243902
lol of course dum dum. You could even steal colors from another picture and apply it to another picture.

>>6243902
Yes, but some theory wouldn't hurt. Still, copying and trying to figure out why stuff is happening the way it does is much better than just hoarding books you'll never read or apply

>>6243902
It sure helps to observe from practice how color works. I recommend doing these studies twice, once on digital and once with traditional media, as color works differently on digital and pigment.

>>6243902
"Colour theory" is like 40% physics shit that isn't useful in art, 10% shit that people pretend is useful in art but actually isn't either and 49% pseudoscience. The remaining 1% is that cold light looks natural and warm light looks artificial, except a lot of younger people nowadays hardly ever go outside (or live in heavily polluted cities) and go to fast food restaurants with shitty fluorescent lights and think of it as being the other way around, where warm light is the "natural" light of home and cold light looks like a shitty restaurant or a hospital to them rather than the light of the sun and sky. The best way to learn what looks good (to (You)) is studies.

Is there a way I can make drawings have more “umph”? I’m feel like they’re always missing detail or lacking something. I didn’t finish this cause I couldn’t pick good colors, I’m working on that

can a skilled artist make good art without layers or the paint bucket tool?
I have Krita and a drawing tablet(no screen on it so I need to look at the computer when I draw) but I find it easier to turn on my Nintendo DS lite and start up the Colors homebrew app on my r4 cart
it can change the brush size, transparency, color, there are a few brush types(fuzzy, bold, and spray paint), there is pressure sensitivity, there is 2x and 4x zoom, and I can save a project until I am ready to export it, but there is no eraser, paint bucket tool, or layers
here is a drawing I made at my current skill level of a male and female face, and the front and back of a male body, it is better than when I use a paper and pencil to draw because of zoom
https://litter.catbox.moe/40x9gr.png
I am worse when I use Krita because I can't look at my stylus when I draw
when I get better can I keep using Colors as my main drawing app or will the lack of features/smaller screen hold me back?

baby esdeath

>>6243968
>can a skilled artist make good art without layers or the paint bucket tool?
I don't think so, art started being good only when these features were invented

>>6243973
kill yourself

>>6243802
beer mug looks really bad

try constructing a cylinder in perspective and then drawing over it

>>6243960
Zoom out a bit and add some explosions around and behind them

>>6243763
give her bigger tits

just massive jugs

huge gazongas

massive ratatatas

>>6243986
God I hate men

>>6243986
my nigga

>>6243988
without men youd be the one working in coal mines and going to die in pointless wars
fucking internet retards i swear

>>6243712
looking good but take a look at those calves again!

>>6243997
Fuck off esl

>>6243968
>those drawings
lmao

>>6243986
flat is justice, I want to lick her scribbly schizo flat chest

>>6243988
YWNBAW

This pose was tough as hell, especially considering I haven't drawn in 4 days but overall I'm happy with how it turned out

>>6243065
cool interpretation, anon

>>6244026
pay attention to negative shapes, it helps with likeness. Notice the upside-down triangle created by her right cheek (viewer left) and nose and compare it to yours. Get in the habit of checking those. Good work anon

>>6243065
>ABA but shroomjak'd

>>6244031
Yeah that part in particular really fucked with me mostly because of the nose, so it looks like the freehand drawing is now facing a few degrees more towards the camera than the reference.
Thank you though fren, I'm glad that I'm improving despite my bouts of lethargy

>>6243065
>/beg/

>Tell myself I am going to spend two-and-a-half hours drawing, five days a week
>Actually do it
>But I am just spending all that time doing dexterity exercises as a method to procrastinate while technically fulfilling my goal
There truly is no end to the ways in which my brain will trick itself into thinking it is doing something useful.
Tomorrow and the next day are my 'days off' from drawing, I'm going to take some time to just amass a big image folder of rocks, vases, plants, and bugs. I think those are the things the Youtube man from the sticky said were good to start with.

>>6244056
you WILL draw ze bugs

>>6244026
>>6243053
I feel like both of you are missing the point of (or failing to grasp the point of) construction. In the case of the full figure you simplified the forms all the way down to rectangular prisms and STILL got the perspective wrong (turned the large flat face toward the pov, and the rest of the body with it, taking a nearly side view into a 3/4 view, which because you drew the arm with the same 2D proportions as the reference means the size and position of the arm changed in your drawing, making it look very awkward and unnatural even ignoring that the boxes already look awkward and unnatural). In the case of the head, it's a very similar problem- The model is facing down, but while your placement of the nose and cheek is similar, everything else you drew facing more toward the pov, so the face just looks scrunched.

The whole point of drawing with construction from reference like this is to simplify forms to the point where you can clearly see the perspective on the reference object without it getting obstructed by your preconceived notions and expectations- For instance we are STRONLY biased toward imagining people facing us directly standing up straight in an A-pose, and will tend to draw people closer to that perspective and pose, straightening out and stiffening dynamic poses even when drawn from reference. You guys are both doing the same thing despite making very ugly rudimentary drawings entirely using the tool meant to help you NOT do that. Instead of just drawing the person but made of boxes, or drawing a bunch of lines all over the face, try to "see" those basic forms on top of the reference, conforming to the reference's orientation, and draw those.

>>6244056
If you don't have perfect line control yet then dexterity exercises are completely valid.

I recently started doing gesture drawings/croquises/quick figure studies again for the first time in months and it went well for the first three days and since then I've gotten worse every day. Dunno what's wrong with me. This was the only decent one today and it's mostly cloth.

>>6244037
>inability to read

>>6242955
Heyyy my drawing was chosen! Unaware if this is good or not but yeah... I've done a character design session for a souls like enemy. Can I get some critiques here? Thanks in advance!

>>6244094
is he stabbing him with his DICK

>>6244094
why is he raping him?

>>6244094
that's fucked up

>>6244101
So it's not good that I've been featured?

>>6244102
he's talking about your cock monster

>>6244102
why is he fucking him to death

>>6244095
A bone. A twisted bone.

>>6244106
so he's BONING him to death

>>6244108
>erasing your signature like anyone can read it

>>6244065
As far as my head drawing goes the only glaring issues are the angle of the nose being wrong and the eyebrow line not curving down as much as it should, mostly due to the glabella being drawn a bit too narrow and sharp on the left side.
It's almost like the whole point of drawing dynamic poses like that is to get better at it and break out of those habits, I never said it was perfect but I was happy with how similar it turned out compared to the reference, and the fact that I can see and adjust the mistakes I made pretty easily means I just need to spend some more time doing the actual drawing and comparing it to the reference more.

>>6244108
I like her design a lot but something about the collar of the coat (or maybe the size of her head) makes it look like she has the build of Costanza, with a short fat neck

>>6244065
Don't bother, that retard has been doing those failed head construction studies for months and dozens of anons have told him he's missing the point but he's still doing it

>>6244126
This is a wild exaggeration lmao but clearly someone is seething about it
Most often my posts are ignored, I just like putting one or two of them in a thread and the criticisms I've gotten here and there have been very helpful and polite
Post your work crab or gtfo

>>6244129
Nobody is crabbing you, there's nothing to crab, anons give you helpful advice, you ignore it, autistically lash out and continue to do the same for months. You are like that one esdeath tard or whatever he's called, except he at least post semi finished stuff, unlike you who do the same thing wrong over and over and over

>>6244130
Are threads really this slow people like you have to make shit up just to entertain yourselves?

haven't drawn in months and i'm still permabeg but i've learned to accept that this is who i am

>>6244112
It's not like I have a reputation with the normies but isn't it namefagging if I leave it on.

>>6242731
Eyelids are extremely important to drawing a realistic face. Your eyelids are extremely mediocre.

2. Don't draw hair between the ears and face when learning to angle faces properly.

>>6244139
welcome back, your more of a mid beg than a permabeg imo. Doing some figure drawing or studying some video courses would help you

>>6243053
>>6243728
This is what your brain on construction looks like.

>>6244026
Why do people torture themselves with this construction bullshit?

>>6244159
unlike you they're trying to get better

>>6243780
Egad

>>6244160
More like they're being filtered from getting better.

>>6244159
I don't think it's torture, in the grand scheme of things it's not going to take up a significant portion of my time to learn the proper structures and it helps knowing where everything is in 3D space when you move onto learning light values. Then you can just simplify further once you're good enough to know where everything is without having to draw it all out. It's difficult sometimes sure but it's never torture.

>>6244165
pyw faggot

>>6244169
> beg trying to articulate 3D space when they can't even match basic angle lines from a photo.

The proper structure is the anatomy. Those "energy lines" or whatever nonsense shit reilly taught are absolute fucking bullshit and you're just wasting your time.

Go do a basic Bargue plate and copy the damn lines accurately. Come back and block in the head without any bullshit system of head drawing. It will be way more accurate and you'll learn way more.

You're welcome.

>>6243791
1. The lats do not end underneath the shoulder. They continue.
2. You have the rib cage curving before you reach her stomach area, on both sides. This never happens. The rib cage ends in it's objective matter, then the flesh sinks in and curves until it reaches the obliques.
3. On the arms, once the brachioradialis ends, the arm will never shrink smaller. In pic related, Bridgeman demonstrates how the end of the arm becomes a straight line almost, as the literal bone holds the shape of the arm after the larger muscle groups have ended.
4. Make sure you understand the difference between the rib cage and the lats, and how they turn into the arms.

Good effort though, I can see you've been studying.

>>6244119
I'll redline it later despite what >>6244126 said because you're wrong, there's a lot more wrong with it.

>>6244143
Wouldn't the same logic apply on /tg/

>>6243780
memorize the human bones including the skull

>>6244174
Post your work

>>6244185
Well that would be helpful and appreciated, granted it's one of my first attempts at tackling a difficult pose like that one so if there's more problems than what I'm seeing right off the bat I wouldn't be surprised.

i love trans people

>>6244201
wherearetheboobs

>>6244174
There's no reason you can't do both.

I stopped drawing for about a year and trying to get back in

Hints on how to bettet draw/paint feathers?

>>6244174
anon, blocking in IS a system of head drawing. regardless, observational drawing and construction are not mutually exclusive. the fact you seemingly don't understand this shows that you're either talking out your ass because you don't actually draw or you're being intentionally misleading. either way you're a crab

>>6242955
some figure drawing practice

>>6244230
>time traveling to check out her own ass
nice

>>6244221
check out john muir laws on youtube he has a good amount of content on how to draw birds (and animals in general)

>>6244230
looks like a female version of older eren yeager

>>6244238
>check out john muir laws on youtube he has a good amount of content on how to draw birds (and animals in general)

Thanks for the rec. Already got something that interests me a lot
https://youtu.be/j8EfE8Zq_po

>>6244245
always happy to assist a fellow nature drawing chad

why can't i properly draw a head if i draw the body first?

>>6244253
Don't render the body first? Think of head and body as a whole, rather than two independent drawings.

>>6244119
Hopefully this gets the point across. You have a couple of parts of the face pointing down like in the reference, but other parts are pointing closer to forward, so it looks like a completely different person. Given the simplicity of the construction there isn't much of a "pose" or expression in the first place, it's just an angle, so I think getting things like the cross contours of the nose and the mouth to chin distance and the chin/cheek angle and the angle formed by the wedges of the glabellum and nose correct is very important for the kind of study you're doing.

>>6243053
and here's this one for good measure. The whole point of my criticism here is that you're seemingly basing everything off of the torso's box but the torso's box was drawn from a different perspective from the reference (but the legs are also an issue).

>>6243053
>>6244287
And btw I know the ref's shoulder sticks out more on the left- She's hunched over so her shoulder blades and back flesh are sticking out farther than the edge that I traced on the right, so I approximated the same spot on the left. But look at the right side- No matter how you look at it your construction is WAY off on that side.

>>6244278
Yeah when I was going over the reference again I saw how off I really was with the brow line, the places of improvement you mentioned are definitely noted and I thank you for that. Foreshortening is still a little tough for me.
I think with a kind of pose like this I should try starting with the nose and working around it since the nose is really what's going to determine the direction the face is pointing but I have yet to attempt it.

>>6243065
I need her to kiss me

>>6244106
Why is there a bone in his stomach, where did it come from?

>>6244026
Thank you for tossing this up. I love these grayscale photo refs, great for practice although the camera distortion just kills me sometimes. If you have more of these please put them up, I need to do more heads. Might work on this one more, but it's a small sketch and i'm happy with it for now.

>>6244339
Christ dude you blew me out of the water for sure, I hope I'm at your level someday soon

>>6244287
I tried another one, this time I went and completely traced, I feel like my eyes are ngmi because this is what they are telling me is correct but I have a gut feeling it's not.

>>6244340
Thank you! Been doing studies from the stuff /ic/ posts, from NMA, from russian books etc

>>6244339
>>6244345

>the hero /ic/ deserves but don't need

>>6242955
I have a really hard time with legs, whats a good way to read references as simple shapes? especially knees, I feel like just using a sphere causes me to over analyze it.

>>6244356
https://anatomiaartistica.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention-1.pdf

Sketchy colour studies to start tonight

>>6244294
are you doing a webcomic or something? lines are good but top left and the one right below that don't look like the same character as the others apart from colours and I think it's worth learning to render

>>6244341
You're missing her far ass cheek but otherwise this one is a lot closer. I'd suggest adding some kind of indication of joint shapes, like the elbow. And of course tracing is not ideal, I just do it in redlines to prove that the comparison is accurate.

Not very motivated these days

>>6244370
how's this?

>>6244370
I also have that book irl, is there any learning value in just copying everything?

>>6242955
So I've been at this hobby for just shy of 2 months now and have taken (just draw) as literal advice and have done it every day, no excuse, and it's honestly going better than I thought. 2 months ago I unironically just drew shit like a 5 year old and had never tried to learn any art so I think my progress isn't too shabby.
2 questions for you anons
>is draw a box actually worth the time investment (I just want to draw cute pinterest girl portraits in a semi-realistic style)
>if it's not worth it, what's the best course of action for courses/extended learning. Just been using YT/Pinterest tutorials to go from a smiley face to picrelated

>>6244402
I did the draw a box challenge (250 boxes), it's worth it early on if you don't wanna use rulers to draw straight lines. It's kinda soul crushing though...

Hello begs, almost at the end of the book. And omg so much talk about brain instead of drawing!
>>6244345
that isnt normal pencil, is it? Also i kneel
>>6244294
I like it. If you will add shadows / render a little it will easily be PRO tier
>>6244221
the trick behind drawing complex textures is to look for repeating pattern (feathers repeat, you can see their tips) and then repeat the feather symbol with variation until it gives the illusion of texture you want
>>6244159
There are two major drawing schools: INTUITION aka draw what the fuck you see. After you drew it enough times you can wing it even without reference. And the direct opposite GRIND aka learn the manual steps which in sum create accurate depiction of the reference. And with enough grind you can draw it without reference.
>>6244139
That isnt half bad. I am just not sure if you can draw realistic drawing or if you are using anime style to cope with lack of fundamentals.
>>6244108
I kneel before your creativity. Nice one
>>6243968
>all that cope
bro unplug your head from the ass and force yourself to adapt to new tool. it will be very worthy in the long run
>>6243802
The glass is just wrong. Go practice drawing ellipses (draw balls, then cut them at various angles in perspective). Dont be scared of black tones. Dont neglect background.
>>6243352
be less dramatic and draw more
>>6244394
i kneel
>>6244395
You drew womanly thin hips + smooth belly but the top is manly man.
>>6244402
I consider drawbox as biggest beg trap which is designed to demoralize you and make you quit drawing forever but some anons keep recommending it. I recommend keys to drawing (book).

>>6244402
just go with a good anatomy/figure book like hamptons design and invention copying stuff from it as warmup and using the method of building the figure from simple gesture and shapes he shows in first chapters
just focus on drawing 3D shapes, forget details, you are already going in that direction so you are ahead of a lot of the dumbasses

just keep up drawing daily mixing stuff for fun with studying the figure/anatomy book and focusing on building solid 3D shapes like you see in that book
at your level its mostly about pure mileage on the fundamentals instead of specifics

and to answer the "should i do x if all i want is draw cute animu" just learn general fundamentals and you will draw whatever you want, its called fundamentals for a reason
but if you want to draw anime stuff then do it in the fun part of your drawing time and not on the study part

Was a relaxing day and my speed is ever increasingly which is fun.
Going to post 2 things I did today, considering getting some cheap water points, crayons or colour pencils.
flawed as usual, but the biggest noticeable thing is I didn't fix Goku's head before coloring.

This other image just needs more polish, skipped out on some details and more colors would make it pop but I didn't want to use just tones of grey.

>>6244381
Everything goes to shit when I don't trace

>>6244409
>that isnt normal pencil, is it?
Thank you! It's Staedtler Mars Lumograph 2B, kneaded eraser, Strathmore 400 series sketchbook. I have some intense painting sessions coming up soon, so I am bolting down and doing some sketches and studies to prepare for it.

>>6244409
>Lalmost at the end of the book. And omg so much talk about brain instead of drawing!

Yeah I was wondering if people even do this book. Seems like it's just a long form of the sticky with a bunch of motivation chucked in.
I think the sticky's recommendation to ignore everything she said and just do the exercises is the best way to go with that book.

And those things you create with cardboard or wood or whatever. So tedious - I wondered, while reading, if book was targeted at Omega begs or something

Is a drafting table worth it, Eviston keeps shilling working at an angle and if I move onto Bargue drawings it seems like a requirement.

there's wooden boards that sit on your desk but they already cost $60 while full tables are going for $100-150 on amazon with good reviews.

>>6244456
You should do Bargue plates perpendicular to your viewpoint, even leaning it against the edge of the desk you're sitting at might be sufficient, but it's nice to be able to get up and step back and view it from as far away as you can. It helps to see the larger masses of light and shadow so you can fix things up that way.

If you are going to buy a drafting table, get one that you can tilt almost vertically. However, these are super heavy, and super expensive.

>>6244418
This one is better imo but both this guy and Goku have short legs

>drawing daily all year
>decide to start gitting gud and taking studying serious
>all motivation has instantly died

>>6244523
I'm the opposite desu. Drawing 4fun is boring

>>6244432
because you stop trying?

Loomis and most teachers practice a completely different style to gesture drawing than Vilppu - who is much more about movement than construction. Is there any reason to grind to perfect Vilppu's style when I'm just interested in anatomically correct figure drawing with *some* dynamism. I don't care about drawing dancers on the page but there is a certain beauty to it.

It appears like Vil's requires a really solid understanding of anatomy before you can start simplifying into 'flows' or whatever, while Loomis expects you to build up from the gesture into the figure (and with it your knowledge of anatomy).

>>6244542
No my observation skills are just really that bad, especially on twisted figures. I tried again, I changed my mind on the torso yet again.

>>6244542
When will you guys ever learn to stop responding to the resident schizo?

Csn you help me out figuring out how to shade this? The environment of the bathroom is slightly dark.

>>6244584
I'm not your resident schizo whoever that is, I'm just looking for critique

>>6244567
You don't need any anatomy, proportion, or anything but semi-decent line control to do Vilppu's gestures. If anything it'll get in the way of absorbing what he's actually trying to teach, which isn't "simplifying" the form but drawing the flow (aka the gesture) of the pose. Look at the lines here - they flow into each other in a way that suggests movement and form, each leading to the next naturally like water moving through a river.

Also gesture isn't something you perfect somebody else's style for, it's how you personally see the lines of action in a figure. Everyone is going to see it differently and click with different ways of expression, so try them all. Just make sure you're doing them daily.

>>6244573
you're getting warmer

>>6244584
I don't think that's esdeathfag OR the based scribble loli guy

>>6244606
im not convinced you can draw the flow of the lines without proportion and seeing the greater volume you are drawing (which requires anatomy). i am practicing daily, but vilppu almost feels like a second pass after you've done a figure drawing course and want to improve further such as for live drawing sessions.

something I whipped up today in a request thread
I feel like im not improving in realism but im getting better skills in other areas that im not trying to

>>6244625
You're getting it backwards. By improving at sensing the flow, you improve at proportion and seeing the greater volume. Think of the form like a cup without a bottom and the gesture how the water flows through it. Once you're good enough at it the greater volume reveals itself through pure gesture.

>>6243856
>just like use a bowl of water
What do you mean?

>>6242956
Be kind please, I'm an amateur sketch artist.

>>6244402
Resident DAB defener here. No. DAB will not up your game at pinterest portraits. Start with the Steve Huston head drawing course on YT, 3 hrs.

>>6244156
PYW you fucking idiot

>>6244656
> Start with Huston
you mean Loomis. i actually bought his awful book and then switched to Loomis after realizing how bad of a teacher Huston is.

>>6244672
Did I fucking say Loomis? Fuck off.

>>6244674
that anon won't get anywhere with Huston's sail boats, you need actual structure as a beg not ambiguity.

how can i be constant ?

>>6244675
It's a 3 hour youtube video, moron, I think he'll manage. Fuck yourself

>>6244693
here ill summarize the video
first hour
> draw a sailboat
> place the ear
> now redraw the entire sailboat unless its a profile
followed by
> 2 hours of tracing masters works
> 10 minutes of practice at the very end

it was literally the most worthless thing I've done since starting drawing. That anon is already using the loomis method he should just continue to study it alongside perspective so he can align the ellipsis better.

why are you such a cunt?

>>6243968
Have you considered a pencil and paper?

>>6244701
No wonder you got nothing out of it, you're a complete retard. If OP has an IQ above 85, he'll be fine.

>>6244709
you cant even explain the value of what youre shilling

Do you just grind figure drawing for months or do you actually try other stuff as well?
Color and composition, for example.

>>6244059
kek

>>6244409
i come back and this fucker is still here ya fucking piss me off well congratulations you ran me out of town

Am I regarded or is this guy sizing his toes completely backwards it’s just really annoying https://youtu.be/1ldITLYM9rw

>>6244606
Hey thanks anon I took another stab at it, I definitely like the idea of adding contour lines at the end. Forcing myself to use pen really helped here, since I have to be deliberate.

Probably went a bit ham with the cross contour lines here, looks like Ndongo from HunterxHunter but this is by far my most expressive gesture drawing.

>>6244713
Legs are a bit too thick
Nice and clean though.

>>6244221
>>6244409
Alright, I'm going to insist on those feathers until they come out right. I got some coloring already, the white parts of the feathers are the trickiest part.

Why is trad so comfy bros

>>6244641
What even is this shit?
>>6244656
>>6244672
Huston is okay but his sailboats are not for everyone. If you don't like them just use Loomis and apply the rest of his course.
>>6244681
By studying.
>>6244713
Pretty good. Your lines are always nice to look at.

is the volume section of brent's figure course good?
I'm doing the gesture part and desu I feel like I'm just copying the contours I see and can't draw anything without looking at it

>>6244681
Discipline.

I recommend an exercise routine and for you to switch to organic foods, it has improved my health, focus and drive. Go and get a physical from a doctor before you start a new exercise and diet regime. If you want to, adopt a religion or philosophy, but it's up to you on what you want going on in your head.

crtique?
I added multiple lines of action like the last guy said

>>6244762
He does it right at first but doesn't really make the big toes much bigger than the other toes, and then after redrawing the toes 10000 times he loses his lines.

>>6245032
First pose seems weird

>>6245043
there's actually a gap between the raised arm and the head/neck
what do you mean it's weird?

Just started

how bad is it, doc?

>>6245046
Just what I was waiting for yes!
FINALLY
Someone is going to make some megamind porn.
But for real if you just started it isn't half bad.
Facial expressions are hard.

>>6245046
Terrible, but thats to be expected.

>>6245060
>>6245054
Still working out my intuous as well (surprise! I didn't draw it with a mouse)

>>6245046
Read keys to drawing, draw some irl faces then move onto loomis or steve hustons head drawing from the video course thread.

>>6245069
Do people really rave about this drawing on the right side of the brain book? I perused it but didn't really like the dialogue. Should I just follow the exercises?

>>6245078
No. At least I wouldn't, even if i could go back to beginning I would still do the same thing I did.

Betty, keys, etc, they don't know how to draw. If you want to be good, don't bother with it at all, you can level up past them really quickly and you'll have to level up past them regardless. It depends on whether or not you want to be good. "Drawing for fun" isn't really an end goal because everyone, even the hardline professionals, draw for fun.

>>6245078
>>6245085
I dont care avout those books, I would tell him "stop symbol drawing" but idk if he would understand.

>>6245046
I like it. You should do graffiti, dude. I want to see these faces on the shipping containers!

>>6244653
hey, try warming up a little before doing those, like drawing 10 long almost-straight lines, a few mashed-circles, etc. don't try to make them perfect, the goal is just to gently warm your muscles

>>6244681
set yourself a schedule, like "now i will draw this and that for 2h, and will do that every day of this week"

>>6245107
Nice

>>6245107
me when I'm sleeping

>>6245176
Thanks
>>6245184
I wish you a good sleepytime.

as soon as I get to rigid boxy forms I feel I haven't made any progress in years. I just draw for fun, but I'll never draw well. I fear the perspective.

picture from imagination

>>6245308
Those are impossible cubes. Learn perspective.

>>6245358
I know perspective (theory), I just can';t learn to draw precisely enough to draw lines even close to what they should be.

>>6245372
I genuinely can't tell if I'm retarded, impaired manually or it's my eye sight being distorted so much. I'm almost sure that astigmatism glasses make world seem as if with high FOV picture related.

>>6245358
not only could you achieve that with forced perspective, those aren't cubes

How can I apply something like perspective when drawing from life? I feel like instead of trying to construct things like buildings I'll just end up trying to draw the outline of it and doing so shittily

>>6245404
if you mean lines don't match the perspective point then yeah I seem to be unable to aim straight lines no matter how much I practice even on huge paper sheets or be capable with other hand-craft.

>>6245393
>>6245419
I'm in the same boat, I'll be grinding boxes forever. My cylinders are fucked, everything about perspective is still awful for me. And I've been stuck on it for a year just grinding this shit.

>>6245419
I wasn't even responding to you or offering crit, I was just being pedantic to the other guy.

>>6244345
its crazy that NMA exists and nobody on ic uses it. it's absolutely invaluable

Started reading Morpho book and went on to copy some stuff from it. Really want to keep drawing, maybe something that's not just copying, but need to sleep. Is it worth copying these books even or should I just use them as reference?

>>6245654
>paid courses
I wonder why

>>6245682
30$ that's two days of eating out or even one

time is money, people would rather waste a decade fumbling around trying to learn how to draw instead of just going to the source of knowledge

>>6245687
Ok, shill. Doesn't change that it's extremely easy to get premium resources for free.

>>6245693
relax

>>6245669
imo, copy your favorite artists instead

>>6244507
Yeah,Goku's (not) body is pretty jank in general,not much practice there to contrast the other.
As for Arthur in the 2nd image I'd show you the reference, but Yeah...

Unrelated: more free time equals more fun, smaller doodles of varying quality and input.

>>6242955
????

Give me some crit

>>6245747
Mirin lines

>>6243763
Soul

>>6245747
that's the position my head is in while looking at your picture

Retard's back
What he means is that i should copy/trace some head and the distort my next copies of the same thing based on proportion of the squares/rectangles, right?

I really like black girls and want to draw them doing things I find sexually attractive but I'm not sure how to balance those concepts with the potentially racial undertones that would arise from masturbating with friend chicken drumsticks and mushing up watermelons to see if they can fit the entire fruit inside of their vaginal cavities.

How do I balance these fetishes, that I should mention are entirely unrelated to black girls, with the fact they they're stereotypically assigned as black people infatuations?
Should I just draw it an accept that some people on twitter will just call everything racist, or is there a way to pad the impact?

>>6245858
First of all you're full of shit. Second just do it, why do you care what other people think if you're drawing it for yourself to jack off to?

>>6245814
just play with proportions

>>6245767
God I want to lick a girls armpit so bad.

Total /beg/inner butchering Dürer with my chicken scratches. I guess I need to begin by reading the recommended beginner books and basic anatomy before copying hard works?

>>6245767

>>6245669
You need to copy them. Stuff like Goldfinger / Richer is for reference

>>6244345
>stuff /ic/ posts,
such as? Pls be specific. Also is nma good???

>>6245687
>going to the source of knowledge
So, nature, master drawings, youtube videos and video course thread?

>>6245936
Not necessarily. Studies can be a helpful way to gauge your abilities as you learn.

>>6245922
Thanks

>>6245976
a must

>>6246032
Oh yeah, nobody could learn art before NMA existed. Christ, at least Loomis shills shill in good faith.

>>6245976
I have a small folder of the grayscale/monochrome photos that anons posted on /ic/ as study materials, usually found in those study/photo ref threads. Sometimes someone will post a nice looking old master painting and I'll do an "underdrawing" for it so that I understand the rudimentary compositional elements of it, ignoring anything too detailed and just going for the big gestures of the figures, large placements of the environments or light focused areas, that sort of a thing.

As for NMA, I don't use it. I just google up "portrait photo NMA" or "figure reference NMA" and usually I find something on google images that's big enough for me to copy.

Hope this helps!

just something for fun/study. im still working on the forest because theres lots of individual leaves.
1/2

>>6246154
2/2

>>6246154
>>6246156
You want more intense highlights and very dark darks in some area. Right now, these look more like plastic than polished stone.

>>6246163
yeah now that you point that out its more obvious. do the gold and backgrounds look alright?

Hello begs, 2nd book finished. From now on i am EXPERT on BEG books

>>6245936
Looking at your copy i would say you dont even need them. That said reading the books will give you many new words about art into your vocabulary and show you "hidden" aspects of the trade. So yeah go read some. Good job btw
>>6245767
Put more effort into single piece before asking for crit. Like shading, background, color, linework... stuff like that. Otherwise anons crit be like mine: Its okay
>>6245669
one anon once said that to get the max out of the art book is to first copy the reference 1:1 and then draw something different but in same way as the reference. I believe it
>>6245418
you apply perspective by looking out for the converging lines and diminishing sizes with distance? A very weird question anon
>>6245107
Dont be afraid of using darker colors anon. Make the shadows really black. It will make the picture pop out more. Its very good
>>6244745
I dont understand why you picked me as nemesis or something, i post like once per day anon. Be reasonable and keep drawing

>>6246154
>>6246156
I like the backgrounds and the gold. The medallions have a nice shape! >>6246163 this pretty much.
>>6245767
Head could be better. Tantalizing, but the bellybutton is wrong.
>>6245107
Soul. Wouldn't it be cold though?
>>6244999
Something is wonky about the eyes. Rest is pleasant.

>>6246062
you're like McQueen in cars 3, you'll be left in the dust without using every tool available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzVbQuRTuWs

Where's the oc redraw thread

>>6246312
nice, here is mine attempt

>>6246344
nice erikbros will gmi.

>>6244966
>no fiddling with settings/updates/drivers/signins/adjusting tools/fiddling with brushes/layers/filters/bullshit
>just put marks on paper
It just works.

Was supposed to be quick but I'm slow as fuck. I love painting buildings and bushes

>>6246368
are you a conceptartbro? reminds me of the cgma environment design style

>>6246368
woops hit undo a couple times before saving

>>6246371
Nah I just like painting buildings and stuff. I'm a dirty hobbyist. Usually I'd just 3d it out and paint over but I'm trying to learn how to paint stuff properly but also not being tedious about perspective.

Usually I'd use like 40 layer masks and a shitload of multiply layers but I'm trying to learn how to paint on 2-3 layers max for my own learning purposes.

>>6246179
oh my lord just get out of these threads and kill yourself noone wants your opinion about anything

He draws at least

>>6244957
>>6244998
ty bros

>>6245045
The weight distribution seems off. She should either be bending over to her right or her right leg should be almost directly beneath her

>>6246368
berry cool

>>6246368
is this plein air? whether it is or not, looks cool.

Someone who knows where knees go please help

>>6246450
>hiding hands
heh you're fooling no one

>>6246460
thank you for the crit

Someone said my sketchbook looks like it belong to a schizophrenic, is it that bad?

Training fundies

>>6246525
My perspective is fucked now that I posted this and looked at it again, I wanna kms

>>6246179
Hey just wanted to say that i appreciate your posts, good luck with drawing

>>6246471
Who told you that? Last 2 maybe, but all the other ones are normal

switched to Vilppu style gestures after feeling Eviston's techniques were teaching me to be too stiff. Using ink to force myself to learn line confidence, I realize it's a bit messy.

>>6246570
time to practice this a 100 more times.

>get told to triple the size of my canvas and increase the size of my brush while i'm at it
>give it a try
>drawings look shittier, lines look wobblier and have fat, ugly ends that need to be manually edited
>scale drawing down to the size i was at before
>looks like "the same thing but a little worse"
am i doing something wrong or am i retarded or what am i missing here

>>6246179
>Dont be afraid of using darker colors anon. Make the shadows really black. It will make the picture pop out more.
Dunno it's supposed to be a semi open space so not that dark just some shade.
>Its very good
Thanks man, I appreciate it.
Slowly but surely we're all gonna make it.
>>6246189
>Soul. Wouldn't it be cold though?
Thanks! Yea maybe or it could've been a warm fall day?
Idk didn't really think about the background

>>6246525
>>6246529
Heh always happens after you post, keep at it dude you're gmi

>>6244201
God youre so mentally ill and demented. Do you jerk off a lot?

baka..

>>6246733
tiny babby hands

my hand/arm is very autistic when moving vertically
it is very difficult to draw straight vertical lines, or vertical ovals

NEW THREAD
>>6246841
>>6246841
>>6246841

>>6242956

>>6246536
Samefag. Kill yourself, just stop posting.

Still mourning the loss of this piece in an automatic format

>>6243957
I'm a huge fan of Toei-style coloring.
What does that say about me?

would it be better to start posting on social media when youre already past beg or when your still learning. i feel unmotivated and feel like if i start posting online i might be forced/coerced to draw more

I'm struggling with a lot of things, yet the things I'm struggling the most are line art, coloring, and textures. Any critique is welcomed.