/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6171269
Never touched shading before, so forgive me if its absolute dogshit, but I figured i'd give it a go.

>>6173140
right picture is not needed

How the FUCK do you protrude the box that contains the handle for a coffee mug? I can more or less find the area it should protrude from, but how do you find the angle for the lines protruding from the mug?

>>6173140
very nice painting anon, can you provide sauce for the ref please?

>>6173140
I'd suggest making the white ventral strip curve inward at her waist to accentuate the figure. Having it just drop straight down her torso looks bad.

Keep going. Add some more shadow details on the torso, draw the navel in perspective, etc. It's a good start.

>>6173248
Try starting with a vertical line on the cylinder "under" the handle, then draw another on the flat outer edge of the handle itself.Then find the top two edges, draw in the box using the top amd bottom plane of the mug cylinder to get the angle.

>>6173248

>>6173250
https://idol.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/811710
>>6173258
>I'd suggest making the white ventral strip curve inward at her waist to accentuate the figure.
Bit dumber please. Not quite sure what you're referring to

>>6173279
thanks
>>6173277
as you can see the vertical lines are not perfectly vertical, I freehanded everything but keep the parallel lines in mind to guide you. I gotta go coom for a second.

>>6173277
It's easy enough to trace lines over the photo like that, but actually drawing the box for the handle from life is super hard. I keep getting it wrong.

Pic related. I'm not using this image >>6173277 as reference, but rather a real life mug I have. Just not sure what the best way to find the right angle is.

>>6173268
>then draw another on the flat outer edge of the handle itself.
Finding the angle for this line is the hard part. If it's off by even a tiny bit, I have to erase.

>>6173129

Is using hashtags on your art social media account a bad thing? I've noticed a lot of them, especially bigger accounts, use very little if any hashtags. I've seen a couple people say new accounts should not use any hashtags period But doesn't that make it a lot harder to grow your account? Are we supposed to just NEVER use them or just use them sparingly?

Also would anyone mind critiquing my brief sketch in vid-rel?
>>6172030

What could and should I improve?

>>6173290
You should either actually find the vanishing point and horizon line and use them on your drawing to help you, or you should use a grid over the photo and your picture to line things up correctly until your eye is trained to see and translate these things accurately.

>>6173290
>Finding the angle for this line is the hard part. If it's off by even a tiny bit, I have to erase.
It should run parallel to the vertical lines of the cylinder.

>>6173300
I think I misunderstood what you meant by outer edge. I was talking about the lines that extrude from the cylinder.

>>6173299
>You should either actually find the vanishing point and horizon line and use them on your drawing to help you
Yeah I might look into that, although I'm already a bit messy as it is. I'm not overly keen on cluttering the paper with more stuff.

For what it's worth, I'm following the webm related video guide.

>>6173279
>Bit dumber please. Not quite sure what you're referring to
I got carried away and started doodling contour lines all over it, but here's the basic idea. The ventral strip should be the front plane, as a basic guideline before stylization. So make the front plane of the body white and the side orange.

>>6173328
Here's an example. Sorry it's so rough.

>>6173328
>>6173345
uh oh ooh uuagh uuugh AAAHHH! those contour lines are pretty hot

>>6172165
>>6172171
>>6172169
That's pretty complicated for just a sphere, but thank you regardless

Tried to do a lot of portrait sketches yesterday and ended up with just sketching/painting this one, one of the main problems is that the sketch i make looks ugly, details:
-I was trying to make a 1:1 copy of the portrait and ended up with an ugly sketch
-Wonder how would it look if i traced the picture cuz maybe i fucked up the proportions and even traced looks ugly
-So i tried to correct it to make it look good without looking at the reference, just by observation and my taste and ended up with a better sketch at least for my current observation level but still didnt like it so i tried to add values.
- With values added it looked so much better and then added color
And thats how i spent my time yesterday, also having problems with hair.

>>6173345
>>6173328
I'll be honest, I dont like how you're doing it. Just not really the way i'd draw the character. However you may be on to something, so I took your suggestion into account, but not as far.

Also, do you think I should just trash the line between the colours like I did here? Or does that make it harder to see

>>6173371
This is fine, but if your objective was accuracy, then you benefit from trying again, but measure everything every step of the way.

>>6173376
My objective was to just draw a character using a reference, as i've never done it before. If I wanted accuracy over anything else, I would've just copied the reference image 1:1.

Though now that you bring up measuring, i've no idea what that even means for references, or how to do it.

>>6173374
Look up furry art or just go to a booru and use the tag 'countershading'. There are different ways to divide up the body, but just remember to follow the shape of the anatomy. Look at the form shadows on your ref.

You could ditch the line and make the orange shadow darker.

>>6173385
Clearly I have much to learn. I'll have to figure out the 'shape of the anatomy' on this picture, whatever that means. And i'll also have to try and figure out what the FUCK form shadows even are before doing anything.

But, thanks... i guess?

>>6173371
even if the proportions arent exact I think it still looks pretty good.

Only think I would say is dont be afraid to shade the eyeballs. Her eyes seem a bit flat in comparison to the rest of her face.

>>6173391
Don't get discouraged, anon.Your Coco is absolutely delicious, and learning this new stuff will make her absolutely irresistible. Just think as you're learning how to shade her that the idea is that you want the light to caress her delicate figure from head to toe, forcing the viewer to admire every contour of her precious body.

Art is ALL about the feel, ya know?

>>6173391
Look at the ref. See how there are light and dark parts on her chest, tummy, and hips? See the contour lines I drew all over it? Her body isn't a flat surface, there are lots of curves and dips that you can see because of the shadows.

>
community fox

>>6173398
Yeah, yeah, feel the flow, whatever.
It's just that the stuff you're asking of me feels very beyond my level. I mean just yesterday the best skill I had was just copying what I see, I dont know what anything i copied even is. Now I have to do what, anatomy? Forgive me if thats a bit intimidating.

>>6173401
I mean, sure, but i can barely see the curves and dips. I dont know how i'd go about making them or even seeing them for that matter, cause they're very subtle. I dont even know if im shading right, I just blur tool the shit out of the colours.

>>6173409
Fucking hell. Ive been mogged. I dont know the hell you did but here, take over for me.

>>6173413
>>6173425
Don't worry anon, your eyes will level up with practice. How long have you been drawing?

Is Fun with a pencil really worth completing?

>>6173425
it can be done better. You are doing something beneficial while i'm just experimenting

>>6173434
Well I started a month ago. But thats split up with me just not wanting to draw most days. So i'll say like 4-5 days accumulated. 6 tops.

>>6173413
So what? I never said your drawing has to perfect. Just experiment. Learn some stuff and try it out.
Always take a step back and appreciate would you've accomplished.

I hate being slow, there's so much shit I want to draw...

>>6173465
>I never said your drawing has to be perfect.
You didn't, but I did. Im a perfectionist on an autistic level, im way too critical of myself so its just frustrating to not get it right. It also makes it hard to appreciate anything ive done.

But hey, those are my problems and mine alone. The fact i havent deleted the file yet tells me im getting somewhere. I'll just have to take what you guys have said into account and go from there.

>>6173376
yeah this is not 1:1 since i adjusted the sketch, as i said i have a problem where my sketches (even tracing) are ugly, for example in this picture i did a while ago(pic related) bottom left is the ref picture traced and for me it looks ugly, top left is a second sketch trying to make it more appealing cuz the first sketch looked very similar to the traced one, i dont know if it is just the makeup or i dont how to trace
>>6173397
thanks, i kinda like it too and yeah should have added more form in the eyes
>>6173380
lol?

>>6173495
photoshop city
those fucking lips

>>6173495
>lol?
For some reason i thought dude was responding to me. Disregard that post im a retard

What is the key to drawing on a screenless tablet? It seems impossible to draw the same way you would on paper. Like, drawing an ellipse is exponentially more difficult.

Do you basically have to constantly rotate and zoom the digital canvas? Or use autosmooth?

>>6173490
Perfectionism is a common issue for aspiring artists. Try to remind yourself while drawing that it doesn't need to be perfect.

And when you're done with a drawing, you're not allowed throw it away. Be happy with it.

Your Coco is coming along nicely. Keep at it.

>>6173509
>Try to remind yourself while drawing that it doesn't need to be perfect.
>Be happy with it.
Easier said than done. But I suppose its better than my own brain harrassing me about it being perfect.
>Your Coco is coming along nicely. Keep at it.
That I can do. Though I will admit I thought I was done when I did the shading the first time.

I know I fucked up the trapezius, but is there anything else wrong with this?

>>6173528
Ref

>>6173495
you look like the type of artist who naturally understands things better with value or hatching indicating forms
why not ditch the pure line drawings and begin the whole "draw like a painter" thing
i was the same way and the moment i stopped thinking of pure lines and began doing hatching and shading at the same time as part of the drawing/sketch everything improved

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIAXF5-dtmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM3SHNCfpM

couple of videos in case you dont know what drawing like a painter may look like exactly

gotta find out what process works best for you naturally

>>6173291
My wrist aches just from looking at this.
Fix your lines please.
Long strokes.

>>6173528
You are still symbol drawing.
Practice construction in 3d shapes stupid permabeg.

>>6173527
Don't feel pressured to continue working on the Coco drawing. Save the image. If you want to revisit it and add more to it, then make another copy. It's also really nice to look back at old work to appreciate how far you've come.

Switch gears, and draw something else. Try drawing animals or cars. Avoid burn out.

I have no idea how to shade.

>>6173495
first one, drew nose flatter than is. Second, didn't properly angle lips

>>6173528
Bro this is good, looks like you can actually can feel the form. Pretty solid. The only big problem i can see is boobs, maybe because of shading.

Hey guys, I'm working on a new vtuber design what do you guys think? Any tips/comments?

>>6173558
the face looks like the meme LMFAO

>>6173563
Stop being a pussy by not using the mirror tool.

>>6173563
Neck too long, and where do the horns grow from? If that's intentional then alright, but if not, you may want to move them higher

For rigging a vtuber mirror makes it alot easier desu, i understand the comment though.

And the neck/horn critique i understand aswell! im working on the v2 now and i already was changing those aspect's. What do you think?

>>6173359
Can you feel the form yet?

Another pass on mushroom lady. Going for a pretty crusty look

>>6173530
yeah adding form with value its getting kinda easier and when painting areas is easier to see mistakes too
thanks for the videos, sinix stuff is pretty good,
i watched one practical video about studies with no lineart, hopefully one day i can be as good at him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFUfs-ufc8M

>why not ditch the pure line drawings and begin the whole "draw like a painter" thing
I remember trying Sinix approach emphatizing shadows and ended up failing, ill try again and maybe add simple stylization(i dont know how though) to save time since my main objective was constructing heads with a little detail in differents angles.

>>6173359
>>6173599
https://youtu.be/dgJWZiBt6_w
I can... I CAN FEEL IT!!!

>>6173291
stop chicken scratching.
draw with your whole and and not from the fingers.

>>6173371
Not too bad for a study.
If you want to practice precision then you should spend more time in the construction phase. Start by drawing big abstract shapes and outlines and compare their positions and angles to the ref over and over again, until you are confident you've drawn them correctly. Only after that do you start adding details.
I'd suggest just doing a lot of studies that never get past the construction phase. Pushing a flawed drawing to finish is a waste of time.

>>6173528
The neck is too small and the head is positioned incorrectly.
But your biggest failure is the stiffness of your drawing. By trying to make everything accurate, you've lost the flow and action of the ref.
This could be circumvented in two ways: either stop trying to be accurate and put more focus on capturing the gesture, or, as I've said to the previous poster, learn how to block in the major shapes first by using precise measurements.

>>6173458
>>6173460
>>6173461
>>6173464
keep grinding.


>>6173558
Always use refs.

>>6173630
Cool stuff. Composition could be better, unless this is a zoomed in part of the drawing.

>>6173638
>draw with your whole
??
Whole what?

>>6173668
leg

>>6173668
Sorry, meant to say hole not whole, insert your pen in you anus. It's what all the pros do.

>>6173140
>>6173290
>>6173291
>>6173328
>>6173345
>>6173371
>>6173409
>>6173458
>>6173460
>>6173461
>>6173464
>>6173495
>>6173528
>>6173558
>>6173563
>>6173630
eternal /beg/
it is good to temper expectations, not everyone can be great

>>6173697
pyw

Is color picking bad? Trying to find the right color on my own is just too hard

>>6173701
try first by observation then use the colorpick to see how much u messed up

>>6173723
that will take too long

>>6173129
Trying to work on women and construction. Any tips anons?

(the hands, and gun are the worst part of this)

i've been diagnosed with adhd since the last time i posted here around 4 months ago which explains why i can't get good no matter how hard i try. how do i focus and get good at drawing with adhd?

did a little more on it
gonna call it done now though
critique welcome of course

bros recently i started seeing lines before i draw them. Im talking about literally seeing silhouettes of them in my vision on the page (not in my minds eye I already could do that). It only happens when drawing straight lines and basic shapes. Anyone else have this?

>>6173877
i can't even see images in my mind's eye which is probably why i'm permabeg

>be me
>head and hands
>no luck; terrible drawings
>throw my pencil in rage
>actually read the text instead of copying plates
>he says impatience is the devil, not to worry about features, and to never give uppu
based loomis. why did i doubt him?

made this dark priest from warhammer

should i learn to shade before doing bargue plates?

>>6173900
No. Litterally no. They're supposed to teach you basic shading, not the other way around.

Should I ditch perspective made easy and switch to framed perspective instead if my goal is too draw organic perspective and characters in 3d spaces naturally an not mechanical things I could do with the CSP rule tool? My struggle is characters being in the exact same camera angles rather than environments.

>>6173795
You seem to be doing fine with visualizing limbs as 3D shapes, just need to do it more consciously with the gun and hands, so practice drawing some basic shapes in a way each one is more challenging than the other, that way training your brain to do this shit second nature.

Drawabox places SO MUCH fucking emphasis on long straight lines drawn quickly from the shoulder, but after a year I still have no idea how to do small straight lines correctly or how I'm supposed to use my wrist properly.

What a fucking embarrassment. I'm such a god damn idiot.

>>6173934
Short straight lines are the easiest to draw. Are you trolling?

>>6173936
I know it's ridiculous, but I'm not lying here. I'm really comfortable with longer strokes, actually. I can vary line weight well, the curves look smooth. But when I get into smaller scale it's wobbly as fuck.

>>6173934
Drawacock is a hack

>>6173948
I suck at short scale lines too drawn from the wrist but am comfortable with longer lines drawn from the shoulder. think the idea is to draw even the short lines from the shoulder too

>>6173371
The cheek looks flat cause you didn't see subtle highlight of cheekbone going down to chin and shadow of cheek itself when it starts to turn away from light source closer to ear
Maybe i'll redraw it tommorow to show what i mean

ok, still trying to get used to digital art. The only way I could make semi-decent lines over the sketch was by turning the stabilizer on. Are these lines good looking? Is this good enough to begin rendering with, or should I make the lineart more definite first? The whole process for digital is so confusing.

>>6173956
I don't know. I tried that, but it still doesn't work

20 minutes no reference

any anons gone through vilppu’s nma courses? should i start there for figure drawing?

>>6173987
yeah, I liked the course

>>6173976
took me a bit to get it down drawing short lines from the shoulder but its possible. I wanted to perfect it before I started drawabox myself

>>6173129
What does /ic/ think of this?

>>6173998
Some unfunny prebeg shit made by 12 yo desu

>>6173998
its good that the artists tries to convey a story and interacting characters instead of being just another generic pinup in white bg artist

but its still shitty art

>>6173999
>>6174004
Ok can I get some critique too please?

>>6173998
The only positive thing about it is that the hucow's size is nicely exaggerated by having her come out of the frame.

Besides the obvious criticism of early-newgrounds tier character art, the poses are all lifeless. Give them poses that compliment their demeanor or expressions.

>>6174004
>bg artist
What did Anon mean by this?

>>6174010
Ok, I'll practice some dynamic poses then, and won't spend 20 hours on something like this ever again.

>>6174008
There is nothing to critic desu
It's flat and symbol drawn
I reccomend ur standart loomis/hampton/vilppu pill

Why did /beg/ merge with /int/, and who thought that would be a good idea?

>>6174019
Because there are really a few int and they'll post in beg anyway so why it matters
Just look through the thread there are like 5 people i can call int

>>6174015
AHHHHHH NOOOO NOT THE ONE THING I'VE BEEN AVOIDING ALL THE TIME
So I really can't evade it, huh. Fuck. Fuck me. But if it helps me create not-shitty art. Then it might be worth it. FUCK. Ok. Fine. Whatever. You win, Loomis-fags

>>6174021
Actually 5 is too much
Id say 3

>>6174023
not that anon, you are symbol drawing and should stop it. Once you stop you can go back to drawing anime. Tbh it's 100x easier to learn to draw anime after learning to draw people realistically

>>6174014
Don't take what I said as condemnation. You should always create whatever your heart desires. I love big tiddies, especially hucows. I'm just giving you my honest feelings.

>>6174031
>symbol drawing
I don't know what that mean. So basically outlining everything as in picrel?

>>6174032
Well yeah, but instead of spending an abnormal amount of time on something so shitty, I should just move on to improve faster

>>6174038
read the sticky

LOOMIS

>>6174012
pinup in white background
no background

>>6174057
Oh. Okay.

>>6174040
Ohh. Yeah, I did draw it from imagination lol, you got me. I thought I would do it as a test, guess I'm still not good enough to avoid references and all of that though. Thank you for pointing that out

>>6173810
Are you on meds? What shape are you in? Do you have any addictions?

>>6174021
>>6174027
which ones? , i only can see 1 low int or high beg in this thread

Is there any value in this? I'm free hand drawing at work while I wait for customers. I know I could do better with straight edges and shit, but I have limited time. I did this in forty minutes because that's all the time I had. I'm just worried I'll develop bad habits from sketching quickly.
(That's not watercolor, it's fountain pen ink and a water brush pen.)

>>6173908
is there some force preventing you from switching back to perspective made easy if need be? are you learning anything as is? you need to answer your own question, anon

>>6174084
try to look at what you're trying to replicate

>>6173872
I like it

I tried copying anime.

>>6174110
The king…

Uhh, skipped 2 days and now made this shit. Kill me, pete

>>6174084
>value
It looks better than average BEG (average beg are very low quality). I know that drawing foliage is pain in the ass but you symbol drew the shit out of them.
>>6174019
>doesnt PYW
>shitposts about INT
My man where are these "ints"? Are they with us in this room? Are they saying anything?
>>6173998
It doesnt appeal to me both in story-telling nor in art-quality.
>>6173965
>stabilizer
Anything what alters output of your hand movement will only create bad habits you will suffer through until you unlearn them later. Turn it off and just draw. Eventually you will acquire the skill to make smooth lines.
>inb4
Stabilizer makes your curves less curvy. And thats BIG issue. Turn it off. Want proof? Look at how you drew her elbow. You wanted big turn there and stabilizer raped you.
>>6173948
If you want, you can sacrifice few hours to grind it
http://thefeatherartist.com/back-to-basics-a-drawing-exercise-for-all-skill-levels/
>>6173908
If you know the mechanical rules behind perspective wont it make it easier to guess them right?
>>6173877
Congrats anon, now you feel the form and are ready to ascend the beg :-)
>>6173872
godlike, in thumbnail it looked like photo
>>6173507
>secret
Its no secret, just draw. Did you know you can rest your hand on the tablet or table? You can even put it on your lap

>>6173991
Are there any videos that even talk about this sort of thing?

>>6173129
I always thought “hand hiding” was a retarded criticism. Not every pose calls for hands to be proudly displayed.

Day 1 of trying to draw everyday (again, because I missed one day)

>>6174135
The eye on the right looks like the top of a soda can

>>6174141
True lol.

It's true what they say: be the change you want to see

>>6174155
My God...
It's... magnificent.

any study regimens you guys follow? i’ve been on an autistic grind and desperately need something else to do.

>>6173934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_AdsK8x9Lw
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/2

>>6174124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF2Kigxa7cI
youll notice he draws smaller circles with his shoulder too. however this one he still does use his wrist for lines but those can be done with just the elbow as well.

>>6174165
Fine, I'll go over it again for the millionth time

>>6174123
>Symbol drawing
This is why I question the value of the exercise. I'm the time allotted, there's no other way to do it.

Been drawing for like 10 hours today is it normal for my right arm and shoulder blade to hurt?

>>6174174
I'm older and I just quit a bunch of drugs and am working out as well as learning to draw. For the first time in my life, my non dominant arm is weaker. My upper arm and shoulder are constantly sore, and I can't draw anywhere near that long.
I'm the past, lifting weights fixed similar issues, not drawing, but work related soreness.
I'm hoping that in a few weeks I put enough muscle on to make the pain stop.

how do i go from box to big titted naked girls

>>6173872
Can you paint anything that isn't bald?

by being completely clueless about shading, I've realized just how badly a lot of artists half ass their shading
This is literally just soft round brush applied liberally away from a light source.
And it looks pretty much like ass, but so many artists do not go beyond this

How do I make it better?

>>6174175
Bro, I just had this kind of pain in the same spot (and in my lungs) a few days ago, I had to go to the hospital because the pain was unbearable, so I went to see if I had some kind of hearth problem, I was okay. But anyway, what worked for me was a spray for muscular pain. I suggest you try it to see if it'll help you.

>>6174179
Well, I think you're better than you let on. You're perspective on that box person is good and the gesture of your titty girl is fair. I think you should try and draw a big tiddy girl.

Painted curry.

>>6174189

>>6174179
Draw box.
Draw spheres hanging from the front of the box.
Draw the rest of the girl.

>>6174189
Unironically post your work

Posting this because I couldn't stop laughing at it.

>>6174220
a lot of the perspective is lost when box -> girl, how to fix?

>>6174253
It's because you lost lines that gave the impression of the perspective. You need to look at the figure and figure out what features you need to define that will bring it back. Try defining the bottom of the ribcage, or the armpit, something like that.

>>6173557
>>6173374
Alright, I think this is where I call it. If it looks shit, it looks shit, its whatever at this point.
Though I can say ive learned a couple things while doing it, so I guess I'll consider this a success

>>6174259
so something like this? it looks kinda noisy and flat still, maybe i justneed to practice more

Gravity? I hardly knew him.

>>6173291
Fucking kek

>>6174270
>justneed to practice more
yep, this kind of shit will click for you over time as you grind anatomy and figures more

>>6174281
makes sense to me, ty anon

>>6173998
>looking a bit flat today, huh?
to make it less flat try focus more on form and gesture

>>6174155
not /beg/ or /int/

>>6173291
lines of soul

Which pose and composition do you like more? Is squidkid playing jazz witch Chutchlulu and squidward.

>>6174298
I'm flattered, but I am very much /beg/.

>>6174301
Pre-/beg/ here

Is this supposed to be a compliment or a critique? I've only been on this board for like 2 days and I'm kind of a sperg so I suck at picking up socially cues even online

>>6174330
not telling.

>>6173795
try to use a ruler/pen or whatever to check the angles(red) and distance(blue) are correct
make sure to really look at and analyze your references

No ref

Used human ref - wasn't sure about hair perspective and also feet

I have so much to catch up on, it kills me

>>6174360
>>6174362
Good news: your no ref imagination drawing is almost as good as your referenced one
Bad news: they both suck
Use fref for now and study a lot

>>6174360
>>6174362
This isn't the real esdeathfag by the way.

>>6174135
Drew a little more (but I won't consider it to as the drawings of today).
I messed up the position of the right arm, so I just made him a smol because the body wouldn't fit. I may fix it later.

>>6174374
What's wrong with the second one?

>>6174375
how do you know

I've made three pieces today, first time posting here at all, I put some work in drawing proper anatomy and what not

Apologies for the low visibility

>>6174408

>>6174409
is there any merit to these drawings? I feel it's not an awful place to start

I'm absolutely awful at drawing chins I realized, so the face ended up being a bit of a blob

Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 44

More full figures, obviously copied straight from the book. I do feel that with this set and the previous one I might be getting the hang of construction. It was just harder to tell before because I still blow chunks at drawing clothes and people from imagination.

I haven't been able to paint much on my computer lately ;_;

Jaw is especially messed up and am having trouble seeing where the form is going awry

>>6174222
Pretty good. Nice trips for a nice curry.

Practicing some basic poses and anatomy, trying to figure out a good shape language for the body
Threw a loomis head in there for good measure

How useful is learning to draw gesture? The 2 right poses were based on "gesture" as in I drew a oval for the head and made some squiggly lines for a pose, then filled it out with body shapes. Not sure if that's really considered gesture drawing but it was kinda fun and challenging to do

Also I read all these posts here about symbol drawing, is it really that big of a deal? Is it only bad if it looks bad?

>>6174472
Gesture is stupidly important. It's one of the most important things, it's the 'life' of the picture. What you described is the very basics of gesture, but there's more to it. The poses on the right are noticeably more 'alive' than the one on the left, which, whilst there's nothing wrong with it, it feels a bit flat.
Your loomis head is good. Good job.

Bros how do you paint in greyscale? I've seen lots of nice artists do it but I never really understood or found the steps that come after you've finished the grey value part.

attempted some dragon quests because i can’t sleep

>>6174489
I paint flat color on another layer underneath and set the grayscale layer to multiply blend mode. Some people use gradient map, I don't know how though

Experimented a bit on the face.
I like it.

>>6174270
Add some contrast, paint background in to the gray. It will be way better.

>>6174302
Looks like a storyboard, i can see a motion.

following the sticky and trying to draw this with 0 experience.

the hardest part for me is determining how long im supposed to draw the lines

any tips? :(

>>6174302
last one

>>6174123
>Its no secret, just draw. Did you know you can rest your hand on the tablet or table? You can even put it on your lap
I've practiced a lot to no avail. It's just too hard to draw everything accurately when the smaller drawing area is mapped to a larger screen. I also still practice on paper, which makes the transition to digital all the more difficult.

>>6174292
Okay thank you!! I'll practice some dynamic form and gesture then :)

>>6174123
>It doesnt appeal to me both in story-telling nor in art-quality.
Ok I'll do better next time :)

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>>6174472
Like many of the techniques you will come across, gesture is a tool that will help you solve a few problems.

This will vary from artist to artist, but for me gesture helps with: identifying the relative 2D position of the major masses of the figure, overall rhythm of the pose, and general proportions of the major masses.

I think the best way I’ve seen someone describe gesture is: the fewest amount of lines that can describe the figure well.

>>6174836

drawing a decent circle seems impossible on a screenless tablet

>>6174554
would help if you posted your work

>>6174920

>>6174554
Don't do that trash exercise and don't read the sticky.

Start with The Art and Science of drawing. It has both a video course and a book.

>>6174954
Why would he have work? The Stravinsky exercise is the first thing that trash sticky recommends.

how do i learn to paint? plz help

>>6174999
Goodness gracious! Esdeathfag is back! And he has learned shite!
It's a good thing you're back at anime though.

why is fun with a pencil always recommended to beginners?

it's a horrible book in the context of helping absolute beginners. "Attaching" a nose, mouth, cheeks and brows to a sphere at a tilted axis is nowhere near as trivial for a beginner as Loomis claims.

>>6175055
Do books need to start with teaching you what a line is? If you're getting filtered by the beginning of fun with a pencil, maybe you should just doodle for some time, until you're at least comfortable enough to draw roughly human features on a stick figure's head.

>>6175055
Because other people recommend it

>>6175072
>Do books need to start with teaching you what a line is?
False equivalence, idiot.

One of the first steps he's recommending is drawing a line of symmetry followed by two contour guidelines. Doing this properly requires you do understand volumes and perspective.

Telling an absolute beginner to draw facial features on a head tilted at an angle is immensely stupid and will only lead to worthless results. Theory is absolutely required before drawing a cartoon face like the ones he's drawing.

>>6175083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkHCO8f2TWs

Wanted to thank all the anons that helped me out with sphere to the point where i can see the backside without brainstorming. While still not good enough, its better than before

>>6175083
I recently started Fun with Pencil but its working for me anon
I know that it isn't close to being good (left side of pic) but building upon "random" circles added on a sphere really helps me out with imagining what to do

>>6175090
>still symbol drawing
>still drawing incorrect ellipses
Clearly it's not working for you at all.

>>6174954
this is what i have so far, pls no bully.

>>6175022
>The Art and Science of drawing
thanks, i will check this out. i also have the book 'keys to drawing" by bert dodson but should i start with the one you recommended first?

>>6175083
No, it requires an intuitive understanding of form which can then be refined by formal perspective training. If the idea that the eyes in the drawing of an absolute beginner might be slightly mismatched is that discouraging just go draw 250 fucking boxes. I don't think Loomis expected the absolute beginner to draw as sharp a cartoon face as him, but throwing a bucketload of theory on a person who's reading a book called FUN with a Pencil is a surefire way to make them give up.

>>6173464
left leg on the right figure doesnt look right. the other leg needs to be above

>>6173129
If i'm going to message a japanese pixiv artist, should I message them in English or use the google translate and send them something that I'm not even sure is a true translation?

>>6175097
>but should i start with the one you recommended first?
Yes.

Keys to Drawing and Drawing on the right side of the brain are books that specifically teach seeing and sighting. This isn't really the first thing a beginner should be learning, and a lot of the exercises require finding real people to draw from reference which can be a pain.

The best learning flow in my opinion:
Drawing basic shapes and straight lines > Volumes & Basic perspective > Seeing, sighting and measuring
Then you can focus on learning to draw what you want to draw, be it humans, cartoons, backgrounds or whatever.

>>6175093
Okay. I'm sorry anon.

>>6175098
>I don't think Loomis expected the absolute beginner to draw as sharp a cartoon face as him
Nevermind "sharpness", the problem is he already has a very developed sense of 3D.

He talks about drawing contour lines like it's a piece of cake you just get used to. It simply isn't.

>>6175102
ok ty anon, i will give it a try both the book and video.

>>6175121
nice

>>6175190
they fuck right?

>>6175194
baseball players are impotent

Thoughts on the new non-discord /beg/ sticky? (WIP):

https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q

>>6174330
It's an insult
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Ngmi, pick another hobby

>>6175231
I refuse. I will prevail one day

>>6175240
There are gazillions of other hobbies out there and why specifically drawing, do you really think this world needs another surplus artist?
Like fucking use your brain, the day you die, no one will remember you or your drawings and they are going to end up in the junk yard as a shitter for stray animals.
I don't know why you are this optimistic.
Fucking give up.

>>6175249
underager alert

>>6173998
It's strangely inconsistent. Most of the hands are basically competent, but the artist seems to have absolutely no idea how to depict a head from any angle except straight forward, and only a very loose grasp of facial expressions.
Most artist at this level just flat out can't draw hands, and take any excuse to avoid trying, and here we have a complex pose of one girl grabbing another's hands. With her head on backwards. It's baffling.
It's like someone with no art skill whatsoever took a (very limited) library of body parts drawn by someone better and combined them into a comic.

>>6175256
they're obviously traced

>>6175249
Fuck you, i just want to draw characters from my made up stories and maybe draw some other random stuff. Drawing is beautiful and i want to know how to do it
No one will remember you either

>>6175269
My god how old are you?
FUCKING GROW UP AND FIND A MOTHERFUCKING JOB YOU LAZY PIECE OF SHIT.
>but m-m-u-mu-uh CrEATIviTY bwaahh bwaahh
Fanfiction is for retarded preteens with hormonal problems.

>>6175273
Why are you here?

>>6175249
There are 7 billion people on this world, even if we kept the top 95% of people who actually do something, there's no way you'd be a part of that. Why don't you just kill yourself now? no one's going to miss you, you're just gonna end up in the dirt unremembered.

>>6175273
you talk like a 16 year old who's afraid to do anything to avoid being deemed as " cringe "

>>6175282
That's to be expected from a jakposter

>>6173666
Thanks anon, it is a zoomed in part, the shroomwitch

Here is a 30min sweet chili sauce study from life

>>6175265
Yeah it's traced, EXCEPT the grabbing-hands part (I drew it from imagination unironically) and the clenching fists (copied from my real-life fist)

>>6175256
Thank you for your feedback, I didn't realize that my skill level was so easy to discern haha- You're right, I need to practice everything involving the head, and everything else too for that matter. And yes I did combine multiple images from different sources to make this comic.
However what I can say is that I grinded hands more than I did faces/heads

Thank you for your critique guys!!

How the fuck am I supposed to do proportions correctly with my shitty eyes?

>>6175292
By reading the first book in the recommended material which goes over proportion and how to measure it.

>>6175294
Can't measure shit with bad eyesight

>>6175300
Wear glasses then.

>>6175292
It is a skill. It can be learned.

>>6175301
There's more to it than just nearsightedness

>>6175316
What eye problem do you have that makes it impossible to hold a pencil up to measure something?

>>6175282
It is called self awareness and if people had that, perhaps permabegs wouldn't exist

the timed poses part of huston’s head course is making my brain explode. loomis doesn’t prepare you for this shit and i now know i’m terrified of drawing without construction

>>6175322
Why are you here?

>>6175339
The real question is what the hell are you doing here?

>>6175346
Answer the question
Are you here just to deter others becouse you yourself failed?

>>6175360
Who are you?

>>6175364
Answer the question you cunt

i need to grind anatomy

>>6175322
not true. Self-awareness is being aware of how others may perceive you and understanding where you stand in a social sense. Not trying to learn any hobbies or doing anything to avoid being called "cringe" is called being insecure, and going onto an beginner's art board to tell people to stop learning art because they're still beginners is just called being a retard. Honestly I don't what's worse, the forever pre/beg/ who's consistently making the same mistakes, or the guy who lacks self-awareness to realize how retarded he sounds telling clouds that they're white.

>>6175366
No answer me you first retard.

>>6173277
The handle is facing a different angle than the box implies

>>6175378
>Self-awareness is being aware of how others may perceive you and understanding where you stand in a social sense
Exactly, thanks, someone who uses a brain ffs, I am not talking with a russian bot.
This is the reason why if society tells that you suck and you should fuck off and do something else and kill yourself, you should do that.

>>6175379
Eat shit you faggot, you deliberately came into a thread that is for people trying to improve just to shit on them with 0 criticism
My last (You), hope you choke on it

>>6175384
Society told you to kill yourself already, so, why are you still here? you're clearly reading my words but not comprehending them.

>>6175279
Just report the underager for "Trolling outside of /b/" : >>6175273

am i doing the gestures right? any advide appreciated

>>6175389
What critique do you want if you are not even making any effort with your pre beg trash?
You sound like an entitled little bitch
>>6175397
Society told you to get a job instead of deceiving yourself and pursuing fallacies but here you are, posting your trash "art" and expecting someone to deliver you the secret formula(there is no such stuff) in order to improve.


You permaprebegs are better off as feed for the worms.
Go do something for the sake of this planet and kill yourselves.

>>6175402
You are the underage little cunt crying like a mentally disabled, did I hurt your vagina?
Do some effort for once in your life and either apply yourself or fuck off.

>>6175419

>>6175424

Unironically better than everything in here >>6175231

>FIND A REAL JOB!!!!!
Jesus christ, there's a million fucking worthless jobs in america, some actually detrimental for society like being a fucking bartender or pornographer. Why are artists picked on as being worthless specifically?

>>6175428
Better than your posts, that's for sure.

Hopefully the mods ban you soon.

>>6175424
If this is a regular thing, you might want to see a doctor.

>>6175429
The guy shitposting is obviously someone who struggled to learn, got completely filtered and is now taking out his frustration here. Just keep reporting him and hopefully a janitor will wake up and check the log.

>>6175429
>Why are artists picked on as being worthless
Huh, hello there?
Because your kindergarten stuff don't actually contribute to anything, you are not saving lives, you are not making food, hell you are not even sexually estimulating anyone as a pornographer/sexual worker or entertaining anyone as a bartender.

You are just pleasing yourselves and deluding yourselves in fantasies just like toddlers.

>>6175412
>Society told you to get a job instead of deceiving yourself and pursuing fallacies but here you are, posting your trash "art" and expecting someone to deliver you the secret formula(there is no such stuff) in order to improve.
lol I think you got the wrong anon. I do have a job and am currently majoring in an engineering field. I also haven't posted in this thread yet, nor have I begged for a "formula" b/c I actually know how to do research.
Again, you can read, but you can't comprehend and clearly still lack self-awareness. Go outside and tell the grass is green, you'll accomplish more doing that.

>>6175439
it's ok man, you just sucked at drawing and were too stupid to get better. Sometimes it happens.

>>6175434
>>6175438

WAAAA WAAAAAA MOOOOOODS, BASED MAN IS WAKING ME UP FROM THE CRUDE REALITY WAAAAA WAAAA


Grow the fuck up!

>>6175444

>>6175439
No one NEEDS to get off and no one NEEDS to get drunk yet those are VERY POPULAR just based on market vakue alone. Humans do NOT always deem what is valuable based on objective standards so your point is shit.

>>6175435
Sometimes my bowels just don't agree with what I ingest.

Check this one out. I ate some lasagne from an pizza restaurant and you can still see a chunk of tomato at the bottom.

Anyone can make it.

>>6175055
When I was starting out, I used it only a little bit to draw some basic heads for a few weeks before tossing it out the window and opening his actually important book, Drawing the Head and Hands. It's a very hit or miss book, but if you like drawing some silly heads, it's a way to get you interested in drawing, I suppose.

The issue is that it's ultimately not that easy. Sometimes I feel like this and other primitive construction advice is dishonest advice to give to /beg/s who don't even know how to place their lines confidently on the page, let alone draw ellipses or circles (as well as, for the most part, completely worthless). Sure, they should certainly try to draw with construction in mind, but if you're a /beg/, your priorities should be improving your linework, your accuracy and your observational skills.

I like the idea that Feng Zhu suggested in a podcast a long time ago; start with pictures of rocks, which you can fuck up as much as you want and no one will notice. Then move on to drawing gnarled trees to throw in an organic element. Then symmetry, and so on, constantly ramping up the difficulty of what you're drawing. You need to become confident in your linework first and foremost. Only then should you move on to perspective exercises and Scott Robertson books.

>>6175504
thing is you tell most begs to start out with basic 3D shape and applying that to simple objects and they bitch and moan cuz they want to learn to draw figures

you give them anatomy books then they bitch and moan cuz they dont get it

you tell them to go back to simple forms like they should have and they tell you your advice doesnt work and keep posting dumb questions and hoarding resources trying to find a sort of artistic philosophers stone that will magically make them draw how they want

there are a lot of resources and methods but they all boil down to the same basic shit, some beg anons understand this and are actually pretty fun to help and see their progress over time

but a lot of begs are just obnoxious and refuse starting at the fundamental level to the point people get too tired or arguing about the "why" you should start simple and just throw out generic advice

>>6174179
1. Vilppu
2. Pic (and check author's Pixiv)
3. Look at low- and mid-poly 3D game models
If you're a lazy noob searching for shortcuts (and won't learning fundies) it's better not use fwap-like constructions containing those sticks between ribcage and pelvis, because it's too hard for lazy noob without fundies. Also check Jack Hamm's "Head and figure drawing".

>>6175055
i agree
my epiphany came from seeing the first portion of the Vilppu book where he recommends you begin by drawing 3D geometric shapes, then melting them together into these weird organic abstract shapes and apply shading etc

only then you may tackle basic construction since now you have some idea of how to create 3D forms ad understand them
but like comment a post above, a lot of begs refuse to begin at the very basics and want to jump straight into figure then bitch and moan

its not always the resources fault, but sometimes, the student themselves refusal to begin and a low enough level and build from there
fu with a pencil is like, a pretty decent book to give to these types of people and maybe, get them a little more interested in basics since it isnt as technical as "proper" fundie books
maybe theres some weeb books who amy fill the same niche for those who dislike the cartoony caricatures

but at the end of the day, its picking a resource that clicks with you which may take some time of trial and error and also a mindset focused on learning and wanting to learn
if fun with a pencil doesnt work for you on any level, then put it aside and try some other resource until something clicks

>>6174179
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/ecorche-female-musclenames-anatomy-cda17af4be354c8b8375ff0b1b8a5fe5
1: Memorize the muscles/bony landmarks by drawing them over and over again in as many viewpoints you can (1 month of study)
2: Draw them over photographs of nude models (1 month of study)
3: Take model pictures and recreate the poses using forms, and not simply copying them. Starting with the skeleton, then adding muscles, then adding fat. (6+ months of study)
5: Find anime artists you like and study their art (6+ months of study)
On top of all this, do 30-60 minutes of gesture drawings every day (Croquis Cafe is a good resource for this). This will help you understand movement and build a visual library of poses. This is something you should always do.

>>6175547
You think people should study literally everything labeled here to draw anime girls? I mean really...

The new /beg/ sticky:

https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q

Anyone can edit it; it's a collaborative document. If you have anything to add, edit or contribute, go ahead!

>>6175556
this is not what he said. everything he said is good. But you can pretend to be dumb and do nothing

which one is better top or bottom

>>6175556
It's sad that he's suppose to learn it before mastering the usage of basic forms first... Literally >>6175530
>begin by drawing 3D geometric shapes, then melting them together into these weird organic abstract shapes and apply shading etc
>only then you may tackle basic construction since now you have some idea of how to create 3D forms ad understand them

>>6175591
top

>>6175602
i think so too. thank you

>>6175556
oh look, another person who refuses to do that even the jap artists do ad advertise

let me guess, you are part of the group who refused to do studies until that naoki dude made a book telling to do studies

and that refused fundies until krenz tells you to do fundies

Today’s doodles

>>6175504
>rocks and gnarled trees
That sounds boring, though. What if I want to draw anime girls with big boobs?
Also, it's not like there's a trick to drawing circles. You can do Drawabox exercises or whatever, but it's all gonna boil down to practice. Draw one thousand ellipses or fuck off.

>>6174179
>>6175547
Just skip to 5 and spend 12 months drawing anime girls every day.

>>6175596

>>6175612
you don't need to literally study every muscle in the face, idiot.

I can't even draw a sphere
Kill me please

>>6175687
shut the fuck up and draw spheres

>>6175631
ngmi

Reminder that /b/ has a drawthread: >>>/b/882508180

I'll be redirecting many of them to come here, because a lot of them clearly need fundies practice.

>>6175709
99.9% of the request are shit, also
>drawing for free
no thank you

>>6175709
>/b/
>redirecting here

what could go wrong

>>6175709
Please reconsider

/b/ needs help:

>>>/b/882510512
>how did I mess up the legg measurement?
>i COUNTED THE PIXELS!!

>>6174429
Gonna force myself to read Loomis cover to cover, actually do the exercises, and post them here.

Fun With a Pencil: Part 45

Here's the foreshortening example Loomis gave. Will advance to the perspective section after this, unless you guys have been seeing any major fuckups lately I need to work on.

im pre /beg/ just using pencil and paper, but if i were to get a pen tablet, what software do most people use?

>>6175834
I was using Krita alot but got 6 months of csp for free so I started using that

>>6175790
nice job, keep it up.

>>6175856
>but got 6 months of csp for free
how so

>>6175834
I bought CSP for 25 bucks when it was on sale. Lifetime license, definitely worth it.

If you don't want/can't shell out money then give Krita or Firealpaca a try. They're pretty decent on their own right, Krita tends to have bugs and be slow because it's open sores collaborative software. Firealpaca has better brushes out the gate.

Are you really supposed to do it like this? Why did he draw the construction inside of the box instead of drawing boxes in place of the construction and then tracing the rounded anatomy over the boxes to faster achieve the perspective?

>>6175877
>Krita tends to be slow
Use opengl renderer.

>>6175887
What the fuck are you saying? I don't get it.

He draws a box in perspective as scaffolding to get the figure in perspective. Pretty much no one I know draws the figure like that. This is more of a demonstration for people to see how the figure extends into perspective and how it can be looked at as a rectangular box with sections for every part of the body.

More often than not Loomis is a trap.

>>6175887
>Why did he draw the construction inside of the box instead of drawing boxes in place of the construction and then tracing the rounded anatomy
Maybe he's want to do it easier for beginners. Or do not want beginners to use a "box man" like it's something bad. Also can you draw what you mean if I'm not understood?

>>6175901
>scaffolding
You mean the drawing in halves? That's too hard too.
>What the fuck are you saying? I don't get it.
drawing a box man.

>>6175902
>Also can you draw what you mean if I'm not understood?
No, you already said it yourself.

Where do you guys store your digital drawings? Do you save ALL of your studies or only the best looking / most informative ones?

>>6175920
I save everything. Buy an external hard drive if you run out of space

Stupid pricks tried to turn me into a permabeg with this shit. Can't believe I fell for this meme.

>>6175920
Make a folder and save every single drawing. Give them a date filename like 2022-07-23.

>>6175921
>>6175925
Thanks, gonna see what I can do

Help me out, /beg/.

I want to learn how to draw, but my goals are a bit different. I very specifically want to get into visual storytelling, be it through comics, animation, storyboarding and more. With that said, I do not care one bit for developing a "style". Looking at all kinds of different art styles does nothing for me. I do want to learn things like drawing the figure, backgrounds, emotions and everything else, but while everyone emphasizes the importance of finding a "style", this kind of advice simply doesn't cook for me.

What do?

>draw the box AROUND the anatomy instead of drawing the boxes as the anatomy
worst beg trap!!!!!

>>6175920
I save all except simplest line or cube exercises.

>>6175935
I can't believe I fucking fell for it.

Is there a good beginner book on value?

>>6175924
Why don't you use box men? They much more obvious (if you spend a little time to Robertson).

>>6175935
It's for those who learn anatomy at first before perspective and any other "fundies". Some people like to learn anatomy and hate cubes, some people are the opposite.

>>6175933
Sticky

>>6175949
no the sticky is trash and there is no specific advice for someone who doesn't want a unique style

>>6175933
>everyone emphasizes the importance of finding a "style"
I don't know what resources you're looking at, all the standard beginner books don't talk about that kind of thing, just look in the sticky.

>>6175951
If you don't want a style that means you want to draw realistically. Read the sticky

>>6175960
>that means you want to draw realistically
No it doesn't you idiot.

new thread:

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>>6175924
>>6175935
You're not supposed to draw that, you're supposed to read it so you can gain an understanding of perspective and foreshortening. Sure, you could minutiously and calmly try to copy whatever is on that page but it's just a technical illustration and you won't gain much from it.

You need to get yourself the Vilppu Drawing Manual or How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way. Personally I couldn't get into the Marvel one. I loved copying Vilppu's drawings though, I personally believe it's the best drawing manual to get started after you gain some line confidence. Try both and see what works for you.

>>6175933
A good curriculum for most beginners is:
>Drawing Basics playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84&list=PLmzfkaWqrnnVEujkmiQqI6H6j1QkYN3Ik
Go through all the videos and do the Eviston exercises seriously at the end of the videos if there are any. This playlist is more to get an understanding of drawing as whole, how to hold a pen, how perspective and foreshortening work, what are values, what are common mistakes etc.

>Drawabox Lessons 0-2
https://drawabox.com/lessons
Do lessons 0 to 2 of Drawabox. Take your time, don't erase, this is where you start drawing for real. Focus on your line making and accuracy.

>The Vilppu Drawing Manual
https://archive.org/details/the-vilppu-drawing-manual-pdoc
Go through the manual and copy Vilppu's drawings. Take your time, measure, don't copy 1 to 1 but inspire yourself and stay close to the spirit.

>Draw every single day
Copy drawings, objects, figures you like, try drawing on your own without reference. You can't draw a line if you've never drawn it before. It's like when you arrive in a new city you can't expect to know every street if you've never been there before, but after a while of exploring the city you will know the streets and what they have in them and where they lead.

TAKE YOUR TIME, drawing takes time, drawing takes repetition, it's a grind. Take it slow, focus on accuracy and penmanship.

>>6175963
If you are this retarded you are ngmi. Next hobby I guess

>>6175972
>Drawabox

>>6175977
>thinking not having a style means you must draw realism
You are such a stupid idiot it's funny.

>>6175920
I'm pretty sure average home computer storage space increases faster than most people can reasonably draw.
You'll need to buy new hard drives to keep up with the average, of course, but they don't have to be fancy hard drives.

Hey guys, just started getting into drawing

What do you recommend starting with? I've been getting to grips with gestures slowly but surely.

Is it worth just focusing on basic shapes and understanding how they mesh together to make more complex anatomy?

is this good?

Hi guys is this the correct way to draw a cylinder in space?? Please help me im so fucking desperate i cant even draw a cylinder right.