/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

i did my very best

>>6097802
Wide

>>6097858
Plz go.

>>6097860
>Plz go.
don't collect $200 dollars

I think I had posted in the wrong thread

>>6097770
why was the previous new thread deleted

Why did the last one get deleted?

>>6097802
Good work. Now draw tomorrow

am I doing it right anons? Arms are a bit short but is there anything else?

how is this head practice?

>>6097910
I can't tell what that pose is trying to convey. is she floating or walking? depending on which, you could exaggerate a couple things to make it more interesting
regarding anatomy, her limbs could use some more definition and the hands are a little too large
besides that, I like the perspective

Watercolor from a picture of a pilgrim. Dont know if I like watercolor or not, gotta practice more I guess

doing commissions is fun ^_^

>>6097938
You get paid???

>>6097927
Mouth would much higher. Its always below the nose and higher above the chin.

The jaw changes angles several times. It's kind of wierd because it's a angled, and most people aren't sure if they are drawing flat perspective or angled perspective. Either way it isn't a flat line that connects the chin to the ears as your image conveys. Find a way of drawing jaws you like.

anatomy seems fucked, but not sure why. I think maybe he's too wide?

>>6097957
the stomach need some crease/folds so we can tell he is bending forward a little

>>6097944
yeash

i never had kiwi before....

please tell me anything that comes to mind

>>6097938
How to get clients?

>>6098101
Anime girl on a chair

>>6098097
hey is you the guy who draws line eyes too

>>6098101
I should murder, murder everyone, make they feel pain, regret, fear. The ultimate work of art, the only reason why god created this earth. Human suffering. If you can't see this you might as well be blind. It all makes sense, I can see, I can see everything, from the furthest star to the darkest of depths. The design, the divine design created by the original motor, the raw creativity of the universe, the thing that drives everything from the very beginning to the end of eternity. I know, I know not with thoughts, number, words, or anything that can be transcribed directly in to this quickly written rambles, I know trough emotion, like a feeling that flares and flashes from the very core of what I'm truly am, the being in the very center. Pain and suffering, so beautiful, radiating, giving color and shape to everything else, so incredible beatifull. as an artist, how can I not want to paint with this idea as god does? I know, I know as I know my own name, As know what I'm, what needs to be done, what I should do. But I'm afraid, not ready yet, I will wait, I will wait and get stronger, better, slowly sharpening the little I have that can be sharpened, in the dark, waiting, waiting for the right moment, to make true art.

Her bangs don't follow gravity, they should fall on this angle.

I messed up the perspective of the reference pic but I think he came out cute

>>6098123
have sex

>>6098123
kk thanks anon

gmi?

>>6098123
konrad_curze.txt

>>6098131
How about anatomy and construction/perspective pill anon?

>>6098122
I have no idea what you mean, anon. Mind rephrasing it for me?

>>6098136
I know this is what everyone on this board is always insisting, but is it really worth following along with an introductory text on construction? I just try to draw what I see in my head, and I worry I'll have a frustrating time unlearning whatever I've got going for me.

>>6098132
>>6098123
Quite based

>>6097965
Thank you anon that helped !

>>6098142
You can do whatever yu want but it's just looks for me like you r not even trying to push it in 3d
So some cyllinders and boxes might help

>>6098139
is you the same artist who drew this

>>6098148
Yes, anon, that is me.

>>6098146
thanks, shortcuts are worse cuts till you master the longcuts

>>6098150
people in the last thread were saying we were alike but i don't see it besides the line eyes you used, take a look if you haven't yet.
>>6093482
>>6093514

>>6098154
Yea i don't see how you two are simular either

>>6098155
must be some art blindness

>>6097875
do you use construction? they appear to lack basic proportions. Like agent smith nose is way too low. If you look at any picture of him, measure the eyes to the nostrils and the nostrils to the mouth. It's roughly the same distance. This is similar in all four drawings in that the distances between landmarks is slightly off.

Despite this, you did capture all four likenesses fairly well. I can tell who they are at a glance. I recommend working on individual facial parts. The nose and ears are really weak and sizes vary drastically from the left and right ear on each person you drew. The boys guy came out well with the shadows helping mask some errors. again, look at distance from eyes to nose and nose to mouth or use plum line from the tear duct or pupils down to the mouth to get some basic landmarks (most eyes line up at corners of mouth, but some are slightly outside/insider).

Also, be careful with angled heads. Smith eyes are flat and basically facing forward. They arent following perspective of his 3/4 head shot. Cavill's are similar, though his head tilt isnt as extreme. 5th element guy's eyes are almost perfectly horizontal despite his face being tilted on angle. His right eye should be lower/follow the angle of the head tilt. His left eye looks correct in comparison.

Again, there are serious flaws, but, at the same time, they did come out resembling the people and immediately identifiable. That's something to be proud of. Capturing the different eye shapes really makes portraits pop despite flaws. If you want to learn how to do basic blocking in with loomis or reilly method, Bradwynn Jones is quite good at explaining it and helping you measure and identify relationships between the different anatomy of hte face. https://www.youtube.com/c/BradwynnJones is his channel. Easy to follow along with. He does the loomis/reilly hybrid method for starting and then renders most of his portraits either in same video or a followup.

>>6098142
Anatomy construction and perspective just teach you what you will eventually realize by many many hours of drawing and observation.

It's up to you how in depth you want to go studying these subjects, but the basics of perspective, construction and anatomy are quite helpful and easy to learn.

>>6098154
Ah, yes, I can see it. I also tried to help you a few times in the past since we have similar styles and maybe you absorbed a little of my style in some of your works without noticing, I try not to make too obvious because I can freak people out with my weirdo head games.

Is cartoon plus anime so there ins't a lot that works and what works can look similar.

should I get a drawing tablet? im thinking of getting the intuous mini. Ive been trying to draw on my phone but i get discouraged halfway through a lot because the screen is so small and it just feels impractical. But if i dont finish anything on my phone how would a tablet really change that?

>>6098169
>. I also tried to help you a few times in the past since we have similar styles and maybe you absorbed a little of my style in some of your works without noticing
i don't remember but i have been drawing with line eyes as far i can remember before switching to googly eyes and switching back maybe now is a good time to listen again so i can get out of this 6 year rut

>>6098108
idk i just undersell my art and people buy it

>>6098171
Don't bother unless you can draw trad. I wasted about 5 or 6 months worth of progress by starting digital before just sitting down with a pencil and paper and learning to draw.
If you can draw, then yes, it's well worth it to go to digital just to save money on paint and be able to play with colors and textures you wouldn't or couldn't in trad.

warm up

>>6098185
nice work

remember begs
its okay to trace!

>>6098171
yeah, its okay
just know that you will probably take time to adapt

>>6098190
thanks
>>6098192
this but unironically

How do you apply gesture to fully clothed subjects? Every demo is always nude subjects, but take pic related, where they're all wearing billowy robes and shit. Do you still try to find the motion of their bodies underneath or do you follow the motion of their clothes as well?

last original thing i did

>>6098217
bro, i was unironically saying it

>>6098101
Throw some shadows around her cheeks, eyewells, lips. Her legs are anorexic. Collarbone is wrong.

>>6098235
You could slightly change their poses to convey extra motion in an idealist sense.

Yotsu I drew, too lazy to give a background. Waist down is kind of a disaster

>>6098252
This is really cool

>>6098235
gestures are naked form. you dont normally gesture clothing. you get the form underneath and when you build your figure or final sketch, you put whatever clothing you want over your gesture (which is now a full sketch).

like for the front guy, theres a clear S-curve from front curving on his hips to that back leg. 2nd red guy has a plum line from his head to the straight/weight bearing leg and a curve gesture for his moving leg. you can basically trace an S-cruve from back to front of hips and their back legs in all 3 front guys. you use this to exaggerate or capture the motion as you see fit without worrying about their robes and what not. when you are happy with a gesture drawing, you can then build on it. you wouldnt have to do full torso construction, etc if you are experienced from here. youd just do like a triangle down to above the ankles, etc and build out the clothing and drapery stuff from there.

but the gesture was still the basic S and C curves and straight lines of the form beneath. thats more traditional gesturing. really comes down to your experience, how you build a drawing, etc.

I'm so shit, I give up.

>>6098303
that was salvageable dude, it looked decent

Why does this look wrong even with the perspective tool on? How do I actually make a perfect square in perspective with this? I can't get the z axis to move over so I have no idea how to make it perfectly square

>>6098303
your tunnel vision has gotten the best of you and your art hasn't improve from what i have seen or so I'm going to tell it to you straight: Either draw more subject matters than just portraits and more tools than graphite and paper or you'll never improve past this point. period. you've stagnated for a year because stuck in your comfort zone and frustrated because of it
>inb4 pwy
>>6097214
>>6098185

>>6098235
dont know if it helps at all, but this is how I'd approach something clothed. I wouldn't necessarily focus on the body parts, but on the whole shape and push and simplify it.

>>6098178
i dont intend to do hyper realistic renaissance masterpieces I want to do anime but high quality detailed pieces are my end goal

>>6098171
>intuios mini
anything that small will give you carpal tunnel, get the medium or bigger.

>>6098303
soul
great drawing
expresses artists frustation
i call it
"the coping scratch"

>>6098371

>>6098382

>>6097770
how did i do, brahs

>>6098342
>digital
cringe

>>6098391
very good

I decide to draw something related to Pixiv's theme of the day : 梅雨 / rainy season

>>6098407
wtf, even GOOSEb is goin' places??? first marielfaggotx and now you

>>6098400
>digital
I tradfag to warmup if I'm not busy or hyper focused on studying something

>>6098409
oh please leave me alone, I only got a 3-day /v/acation earlier so I have other boards to visit. Otherwise I'd post it elsewhere.

>>6098414
damn! is that one of those bargue plates that everyone is talking about?

>>6098414
>pinkanon's the dude posting the bargue plates
dear god there's 10 people drawing here and you're apparently like, 4 of them

>>6098414
Nice! Is there a mega of the bargue plates book? This looks like something I want to study

>>6098415

>>6098422
>dear god there's 10 people drawing here and you're apparently like, 4 of them
explain

>>6098406
tank ya fren

>>6098415
imma see if i can draw some futa like you

Does my style look cohesive? No idea what makes my art look so weird to me

>>6098460
You are drawing brainlet heads

>>6098436
>anime style
>painting
>classic study
>etc.
The doodles fag must be seething everyday.

>>6098465
naw i have accepted defeat and must learn how to be like the pinkanon, i was wrong to be hostile and instead use it as inspiration to get better because im tired of just doodlin' all the time plus im must handle my short attention span

Haven't drawn in a bit. Trying to get back into the grind. Tried drawing a gesture and exaggerating a pose based on the flow. I haven't quite grasped the proportions of the human body, so i should probably leave gesture for later go study that instead.

God I hate figure drawing, so unfun

I ruined this one with a retarded hat.

>>6098101
"Why did they draw the head last"

>>6098431
There should be in the artbook thread
>>6083994
>>6083994

>>6098416
>>6098431
Yes, but I can't recommend it to hobbyists or beginners because you have to hyperfocus on drawing for HOURS, and is a very intensive form of studying. you can give it a whirl. But your time is better spent doing figure drawing, learning construction, and making doing things that makes art an enjoyable experience for you. Seriously, if you didn't have the discipline from DAB/Dynamic Sketches you're getting hard filtered.

https://mega.nz/folder/5gwmSbwD#k0QTRyBUkqEQowA_kfG77Q

>>6098422
>>6098465
Lmao, what can i say, sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. though i try not to spread myself too thin by bouncing around to too many things.

>>6098508
it should be fine, i am only a hobbyist but i can easily sink a long time into drawing, i still love to draw
>>6098506
thanks much

>inb4 anime head
i-i know but i'm rusty and just trying to get back into the groove, pls.. i draw bodies too..
anyways, i drew this and was gonna color it but I realized i couldn't find a way to color it in a style that matches the brush
is learning to paint and using the round brush the only option? Or should I just use the same brush and fill in the hair? pls help

bros idk if i can make it like this..

>>6098543
No problem with anime heads. Just keep going, study the proportions with Loomis or whatever you want, and don't ignore your other fundamentals along the way. But you need to start with drawing for fun so it's no biggie.

>>6098543
Fix your lineart first, that shit is just a quick sketch

>>6098552
>and don't ignore your other fundamentals along the way.
explain

>>6098160
Thanks I'll try and improve on proportions

>>6098557
Do you remember that one kid at school who only ever drew one thing? And in one particular style? You don't want to just draw a really sophisticated symbol. What I see in that tomoko head is a lack of form and perspective. It's not really 3D. Which can be fine, but if you want to improve at drawing overall just make sure that's not the *only* type of drawing you do.

>>6098559
>Do you remember that one kid at school who only ever drew one thing?
No I don't actually

>>6098543
>>6098557

And don't get me wrong, anime heads are cathartic and fun. But it's more fun if it has actual form honestly.

>>6098562
Okay, but that's just an example to encourage you to study perspective, form, proportion, etc. Hope what I'm saying makes sense

>>6098559
>You don't want to just draw a really sophisticated symbol. What I see in that tomoko head is a lack of form and perspective. It's not really 3D. Which can be fine, but if you want to improve at drawing overall just make sure that's not the *only* type of drawing you do.
In other words, i should draw like how it is demonstrated in that artbook thread that featured in the OP that gives the gist of what you mentioned?
>>6083994

>>6098543
Anime heads are harder than realistic portraits. Beginners should avoid anime for a little while.
>>6098563
Don't draw from imagination.

>>6098563
that dude that replied wasn't the tomoko poster
yeah i haven't ignored form it's just hard for me to incorporate it into figure drawing, since drawing people is so difficult
there is so much to learn but i'm not sure what to look into next

What are some good resources for understanding how forms behave in three dimensional space? Not just geometric forms and perspective but
also how to make convincing twists, bends, etc and more organic shapes.

>>6098578
DAB

Okay so here's the deal. I feel like I have a good grip on the proportions and where everything lies in an average male head, but the problem is that I have no idea how to illustrate them. Like for example, it took me so many tries just to get the jaw right, and that's literally just two lines. Is this something that gets better as I, "just draw"? Or is it something else?

Lastly, what books/videos would you recommend to someone at my level? I was thinking of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Proko's vids and some other ones teaching basic fundamentals, but wanted a second opinion.

>>6098563
this looks good, but most of her cranium is missing. post your construction
>>6098475
I get what you mean, and I used to think that way, but you can't 'skip' gesture - it's simply an element of the pose. Your proportions are fine but you've actually done the opposite of exaggerate the pose. The arms and supporting leg are straighter in your construction, which is what you expect when seeing someone standing.

Another way to think of it is that drawing the gesture first is just a tool to capture the dynamism of the pose quickly when drawing from life, just like anatomy and construction are tools to simplify drawing the extremely complex shape of a human. Don't follow it blindly any more than you would trace a photo blindly.

>>6098610
Stop hoarding information if you aren't applying it

Posting my qloud
Is it too round?

>>6098632
Elaborate

>>6098659
Do more nigga, like reading how to ride a bike for years without actually trying to get on the damn bike

>>6098669
How the fuck is just drawing more supposed to teach me how to draw things I don't even know how to begin with?

>feel inspired to try to start drawing again
>bust out old drawing tablet I bought about a year ago
>open up Photoshop
>try drawing a head
>dont like the shape
>undo
>try again
>undo
>repeat until I either give up or get a circle I like
>try drawing eyes
>draw one pretty good
>cant draw matching eye
>undo
>try again
>undo
>repeat for 5 minutes, by that time my entire arm hurts and I have to put the pen down
>close photoshop
>don't save
>drawing tablet collects dust for another month or so while I fuck around with 3d animation in blender.
>repeat this whole process indefinitely
So, how am i doing?

>>6098681
you have to actively be searching for mistakes in your drawing and making an effort to learn from them and not make them again.

>>6098684
you drew anything, you're doing better than 99% of the board

This is the end result

I can't achieve the subtle blending between the halftone and core shadow without muddying the terminator too much. Despite using the same brush and flow, the artist I was following made blending look so effortless while I needed to massage this ball for so long just to get something decent.
Did anyone struggled in a similar way when starting out with rendering? Any tips?

I think I finally have to stop relying on the painting crutch and actually learn to draw

>>6098407
Why is the umbrella so small, she's getting soaked.

Are the Dynamic Sketching courses a good place to start for beginners?

>>6097770
i need to always know how much is 600k
also i dont know what is "improoving"
like, realism?

>>6098763
because someone told me if you think it s possible eventually it will. like... why.

>>6098407
haha, benis

Are there no 6 digit worth crits or tutorials?????

I'm going to draw today.

>>6098684
I mean...
You could just peruse the hobby of blender and 3D animation. In the future there will be a large market for those with skill in 3D stuff. Being able to draw is good and such, but you should really rethink your choices.

>>6098798
That's good! Now continue with that mindset for about ten years forward.

>>6098636
>would gaze at on a summer day laying in the grass/10

>>6098827
I will draw today.

>>6097770
you know how it goes

>>6098711
where do i even start to learn to render like this?
do i have to find a csp course or a digital painting course? pls help anon

decided to draw some men instead of attractive women today, felt like it took the pressure off of making them look "good"

>>6098822
Mayhaps. Aside from the deadly cramps my arm gets from holding the pen, I also understand basically nothing of the drawing concepts, and find it much easier to do 3d shit. So, maybe drawing just isnt for me then?

>>6098192
Not BSing, in what way does one benefit from it, is it genuinely good practice ?

>>6098836
Keep in mind that I'm still /beg/ so grain of salt yadda yadda but yes, definitely find a course/book.
In terms of a specific course, I thought Dorien Iten's intro to light/shadow was pretty digestible
https://dorianiten.gumroad.com/l/lightguide
there are many more good rendering tutorials out there though, you can check the archive
The sphere that I was copying was from the youtube video that someone linked in the previous thread > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U_h3fw7VRc

>>6098837

Can you post the refs? Thanks anon

>>6098171
Buy something with screen
Switching hurts my brain

I feel some improvement, still looking to get better. Please point out flaws so I can be hyper-aware of them.

>>6098979
Ohhhh booooooba

>>6098936
sure thing mate

>>6098475
Japanese women always hyper extend the fuck out of their elbows. Fucking why

>>6099007
I noticed this too. With their legs as well. I think their joints are probably different, but good luck finding information on this as stating differences in races is now taboo.

>>6099007
Mr Fantastic vibes

I finished an animation recently,
https://youtu.be/XysEOhg1oKg
took a month for what was always a retarded pun that make me snort a little. But hey, it turned out well and forced me to learn masking in Animate and the importance of not using a bunch of 3K pixel wide assets unless you love it taking 5 minutes to render.

>>6098723
well my original idea was that she is getting soaked wet in the rain without the umbrella.
I have a slight variation without the umbrella.

>>6099014
maybe in mainstream sources, but I bet you could find information on it in forensic anthropology research articles. Midwits on twitter never read past headlines so technical reports are safe from the cancel mob

Something about gesture drawing breaks my will.

>>6098252
that's so fucking cool

a head

>>6098898
helps you with proportions and shape leaning but do it the right way, dont trace a drawing, or an image just like that
just trace the sillhouette, and with blur applied, if youre a beginner you will notice its harder that what it looks like, also, after that you will still need to use your knowledge to complement the sillouette

Studying legs

>>6098252
I found your Tumblr. Your stuff kicks ass. Do you have an ig by chance?

aware the pose is awkward
but is the anatomy ok? please critique
thank you

>>6099099
looks credible enough
t.beginner

>>6098693
i like the hair
what brushes did ytou used

>>6099099
show ref and i will tell you

>>6099095
where do you take your ref from ?

>>6099099
Tiny ear + forearmlet, but both could be chalked up to stylization

>>6099083
very nice anon

>>6099101
but could be better?

>>6099104
it's this from rinotuna
not trying to copy 1:1
is it ok to do that? should i be referencing from real people?

>>6099108
the ear was on purpose, but the forearm was not
i will work on that
thank you

thank you anons for your help

>>6099106
It is from Hampton

I post this here and I go eat, when I return I will note the deficiencies and hopefully correct them
This is the most powerful tool the artist has at his disposal its called "wait 30 minutes"

>>6098681
>how the fuck will drawing help me draw???
You are unironically retarded m8

>>6098681
drawing from observation

>>6099110
>not trying to copy 1:1
>is it ok to do that? should i be referencing from real people?
Anon you ask about your anatomy and your ref is highly stylized drawing. Yes if you want to learn go for real people.
Once you got your fundies you can break them and have some fun, if you continue to learning from stuff like this pic you will hurt yourself aka
you will be confused most of the time.

>>6099151
hey you assshole always talkin' shit on twitter

>>6099298
Not to be rude or anything, but their art does honestly give the impression that they do talk shit.

Fuck fuck fuck my wrist is starting to hurt. I tried real hard to draw from my shoulder but when I'm completely absorbed in a drawing I just forget to lock my wrist. Partly because my tablet is only a bit over 10 inches in size I think. I don't want this, I don't want to stop drawing even for a week. In my whole life I've never had as much fun engaging in a hobby as this, so I don't want to ruin it all, but I'm about to complete a drawing too, and I can't stop. My shoulder is kinda hurt now, it's over...

whenever I draw loomis heads I come out with horrible squidward looking abominations

>>6099305

>>6099347
wew

>>6099305
>>6099347
oh i read it wrong i thought you said he DOESN'T talk shit

>>6099355
Why'd you delete it? I wanted to read it.

>>6099359

>>6099099

The crease in his armpit does not make sense since the pectoralis is denoted by you with another diagonal line over the chest. That crease you drew in the armpit and that you see on real people is actually the pectoralis going under the deltoid and attaching to the humerus.

>>6099361
I think they just have a crush on you.

Practicing abdomens today. Not sure about values, I think they came out kinda muddy. Any critiques?

i did my very best!

>>6099373
how long

>>6098636
That's a respectable cloud. Try making it darker on the bottom, we look at clouds from underneath after all.

>>6098711
It's his precision of pressure. It just takes practice, you'll get better over time. Analyze by trying again rather than just thinking about it only. You're doing well. Also note that it will always be easier to achieve smoother blending with softer brushes, mixer brushes, smudge tool (with the correct brush). I believe in that video his brush is about ~80% hardness?

>>6099383
About 5.4 inches. Weird question

>>6099399
how wide

>>6099103
Hard round only

>>6099411
Oh yeah, you like that hard round one, don't you?

Fanficfag here. This is my copy work from yesterday and today. It's kind of a mishmash experience topped off with a freakout because I'm a fucking schizo panic depressive who is angry that every copy was getting worse as the morning went, and I don't actually know what to ask on advice for rn so imma keep writing and think about it

Things I think I learned drawing it
-This character seems to start from the bandaid on her cheek, as that shape lead neatly to the hair, the cap, the jaw, and then the larger face involved. Maybe 'start' is the wrong word, this is a show done in layers and stuff, but I found that working outward from that square builds, if not accurate then more accurate copies.
-The cap's seam on the top matches on an invisible line with the flaps, and if these weird ear bowls weren't in the way they'd probably be a straight line. I can't really do it because pen lol but I wonder if drawing the cap without the ears and then drawing the ear things on top is better. (it makes sense that that would be a separate layer, they change color based on what school of magic you study)

I'm still having trouble replicating the head dimensions, namely the cap, and I got tilt. I know I'm not gonna have this down with three days of sporadic scribbles and be as good as a Disney storyboard... but like, I should be, y'know? Like, I should just be able to do it.

So then I wrote all this, calmed down, did another go, it was looking better and those FUCKING ear saucers ruined the whole GODdamn thing so...

I guess that's what I should work on then, getting the cap right? Do I need to just color in the print out of the face and draw that blob, is that was meant by the silhouettes? Should I just grid it or something? Hell I should just ditch the goddamn hat but that's a whole other can of worms, (she's a BG character, there's no canon hairstyle and I can't imagine what it would look like). I guess I don't know what to do next, and Loomis's still unavailable, so, idk HAAALP

>>6098979
hey anon, a couple tips on anatomy that could be useful to you

I've started working on making backgrounds. Pic is where I'm at so far.

>>6099435
And pic related is what I'm aiming for. Any tips?

>>6099435
Don't fall for the hard round meme to begin with

>>6099449
What should I use instead? Hard square?

>>6099420
What do you mean loomis is unavailable? If you are having problems just draw a different character and come back later on

>>6099466
>soft square

>>6099469
At the library.

>>6099466
I find lightly textured hard square the best for backgrounds. If you're feeling real crazy try a triangle.

>>6099483
just download it, if you want to read it

>>6099097
thank you, and yes, look for @janaroo0

>>6099438
This feels like photobashing

shade hard

>tfw cannot draw an anime head without using ref/copying
>kinda can do the calarts/chibi stuffwith enlarged cheek
>it would be fine if didn't want to draw serious stuff
pain

>>6098898
If I trace, it's usually the contours and breaking it down into parts to compare to my construction. It's a lot easier to see what proportions and angles got messed up.

>>6099553
Drawing anime heads is mostly muscle memory

>>6099562
Maybe, so far my heads end up being off if I don't copy. Gotta admit I wasn't sketching much recently.

>>6099413
Yeah, I wish I knew how to use other brushes but hard round works out for me

I started retweeting art in an effort to be more social on twitter but it's really just highlighting how bad I am in comparison

>>6099392
>It just takes practice, you'll get better over time.
I try to keep this mindset but I can’t help but second guess it sometimes, especially during this exercise when I was really trying to copy him brushstroke by brushstroke but I still ultimately failed. I do like this sphere better than all the ones I made before though. And I’m more mindful now of where I colorpick when blending, so maybe I did learn something. Thanks for the reassurance and tips I will practice more.

any good books/works for understanding perspective for a beginner level? i have How to Draw by Scott Robertson, but it seems to be a book for someone who knows the very basics of perspective by heart, not for someone without a clue or grasp on perspectives like me.

>>6097770
Is there something like a 3d cloth simulation for android? I know about folds but there's a few things I can't wrap my head around. References pictures are not good enough.

>>6099645
Framed Perspective 1 and 2 are nice, then try Krenz Cushart and moderndayjames

>>6099645
Perspective made easy - by Norling if you don't know any of the basics

>>6099645
I like this one

Thoughts? Im pretty good

>>6099660
Where 2 get 4 free sir

>>6099721
the perspective is kinda fucked, rogue is at a 3/4ths angle but kamen rider is standing at a sharp 90°
is he cursing the wall?

>>6099731
no, he's cursing Rouge thinking it's Shocker's monster creation

>>6099711
zlibrary has it if I'm not wrong

>>6099746
Thanks anon

a little head practice
still can't draw a proper circle

How am I doing? What needs to be fixed the most?
This is my second draft, not opposed to doing a 3rd or 4th, getting payed 500$ for this

Fell off the wagon for a couple weeks but here is my latest. Barring a few fucks while inking him I'm pretty happy with him.

>>6099770
not bad keep on grinding

>>6099805
the mans arms is very long

>>6099805
The most obvious flaw are the arms of both characters that aren't on the table. The cat's arm looks like it's bending backwards and the human arm is skinnier/smaller even though it's supposed to be closer to us. The pose of both characters feels kinda awkward

im such coomeer

>>6099837
thank you!

a secret santa pic I did a while ago I did do pillow lighting on it which I'm looking into how to work on now that I know its not a good practice

>>6099740
prise 2

>>6098363
what about the small one? that one seems big enough without buttons while also being dirt cheap

>>6099856

Head is too huge or body too small. Get the cum out of your eyes.

>>6099871
too small, go with medium. Try using a sketchbook the same size all day and see if you have enough room without using your wrist

I did a practice on a little jar of toothpicks I have on my desk. I get the feeling I should start drawing upside down and give my images grids just to start creating more consistent images.

>>6099894
I feel like there is a level of beg where it is hard to imagine a person has put an honest effort into it. I'm sorry to be mean anon but you should be able to clearly see what is wrong with this. It seems childish.

>>6099894
I could draw like this with my foot.

Drawing random shit off pinterest is pretty fun and keeps me going
Probably drawn for like 5 hours today

>>6099923
I wish I had motivation to draw that much. I hit maybe average 45 minutes a day.

>>6099842
Thank you anon, I wanted to make it look like they were in the middle of an intense "on the edge of your seat" conversation gesturing their hands around

>>6099929
You need grit. I experience frustration all the time while drawing but I keep drawing because I'm stubborn and use my frustration as fuel. Kinda hard to explain

>>6099805
perspective grids go up as well. create your verticals and an actual grid and you can get your table height and length correct. You can then place characters relative to the table height and size.

david finch is a comic artist with some good videos for perspective. check his channel archives for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub19UehR8rc - this is one where he places people and shows how to approximate their size relative to the scene he created. You can see the grid he creates. Obviously, he does the full grid for the viewer, but once you understand it, you can just pu tsome rough guidelines in and build up from it or use a backlit grid underneath so you dont have to draw all the time and other hacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcXv_scq6UM - another video with similar stuff

he does bunch of basic perspective for 1pt and 2pt as well. think youd benefit from learning how to place objects properly in the perspective and getting the scale correctly. its not just having the edges of the table going to the vanishing point.

>>6097770
dynamic sketching week 2

>>6099948
You will never be a woman, faggot

>>6099870
bitch ass GOOSEb
hot work btw

i feel pain

>>6099980
draw humans, not blacks.

>>6099980
I think the chin would be bigger and there would be more distance between the eye sockets.

>>6099898
>>6099900
Thanks, I'll admit that I rushed this and try and come up with something better to show off later.

6099969
stupid crab, go draw

>>6099994
Very nice

>>6099966
I suggest drawing through the shapes because it looks like you're not grasping the 3D thinking that this exercise teaches

>>6099999
Witnessed, GMI

>>6099999
>>6100000
double witnessed

how far can you go with just a #2 pencil?

>>6100008
specialty tools just make certain things easier. but in the end they're just tools, you can literally make art with a dusty window and some q-tips. what you use is vastly less important than your underlying skills
so to answer your question, as far as you're capable of going with it

>>6099999
that helped alot, thanks anon

>>6100027
happy to help you on your journey anon, keep at it. I find doing this specific exercise is a really good warm up and helps me frame my mind to draw in 3D. remember to draw with your arm not your wrist! if you're having trouble with that it's probably because you're drawing them too small. paper is cheap, take up a whole page with just one blob if you need to

>>6099590
anon do you have an ig or pixiv?

>>6099236
alright i see
thank you anon! i will be back soon with referenced from real people
thank you again i very much appreciate it

>>6099367
oh! thank you anon i did not know this

Hello BEG today i was turbo slow and i am very unhappy with today progress. Feels bad man.

>>6100008
Dodson called pencil as PIANO of drawing tools aka its a tool which can do literally everything there is in gray scale pictures. Thin, thick lines, dark or light shadows, crosshatching, making complex textures, smudge the lines with finger or erase them, it can even showcase the texture of paper under it.

>>6099994
Surpassed BEG, now go become professional

>>6099869
Soul

>>6099553
There is nothing wrong with using references, everybody does.

>>6098684
Pick subtle color or set up the opacity high and just draw over the errors: RESTATING

>>6098578
Any book about perspective?

>>6098460
I remember you anon. Almost same exact pic but without the goofy background. TURN YOUR PIC INTO GRAYSCALE and notice all colors have same value. Aka you have no blacks or whites in it. Add them or suffer the eternal feeling of FLAT colors.

>>6100130
>Aka you have no blacks or whites in it. Add them or suffer the eternal feeling of FLAT colors.
Nta but can you explain? Why are black and white necessary?

>>6098460
>>6100130
>TURN YOUR PIC INTO GRAYSCALE and notice all colors have same value.
You're not entirely wrong in this case but note that there are different methods of greyscaling (in terms of programming; which method is which or available varies depending on software) and for example some will make FFFF00 yellow and FF00FF magenta the same value when greyscaled even though the yellow is actually a lighter value (or the same for FF0000 red vs 0000FF blue, for example). For that and many other reasons it's a good idea to just learn about colour theory and practice spotting value differences by eye.
https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/wcolor.html

>>6100135
You don't actually need both but generally you should at least have one or the other. It has to do with how our eyes adjust to lighting (by expanding and contracting the iris, and through alterations to our perception). Your eyes always adjust so that something in what you're looking at appears fully black, and usually so that something appears fully black while something appears fully white. If you don't have that in a rendered image the effect becomes muddy and washed out (which can be useful, if it serves what you wish to convey; there are times when it is appropriate to break all rules). Also applies more to digital images than traditional media paintings, but that is not to say it DOESN'T apply to the latter- only that the surrounding lighting where they are displayed might be taken into consideration.

>>6098460
Be more playful

>>6099869
That isn't that pillowy. Looks more like the lightsource is behind and a bit to the left, and with that assumption only some parts are shaded incorrectly. Where pillow shading is really an issue is where you have things like for example flat or slightly curved surfaces and you either shade or highlight all sides of the surface/only the middle. Only place I notice you did that was on the tubes of the spaceship(?), though the shading on the tails of his trench coat are kinda off too unless they're meant to be curling back to the left. Don't be afraid to use more hard shadows too, though. An easy way to have both kinds of shadow is to shade/highlight on new layers, and erase with a hard-edged eraser where you want hard edges. I've also seen people use the lasso tool to define where the edge will be, but I think that's less convenient and intuitive.

>>6100135
>necessary
That is too strong word. If you know what are you doing you can easily use dark picture which has no white for character sneaking in midnight trying to steal something or even super bright pic for being ascending into heaven or something like that.

But if you dont know what are you doing and just color you pic like that anon, it simply looks like ass. Using gray scale is easiest to spot it because your brain can then easily see the missing values.

Pic related: from original to white only to grey only to black only.

See right here, anon added some darker tones and suddenly it looks way better >>6100161

Today pixiv's theme: thighs/ ふともも
guess I'll practice that.

>>6100163
thank you I appreciate the critique! I did feel off about the tubes lighting I didnt even think about the shadows under the cape...

>>6100188
Just decide where the light is coming from. His arm being lit from above and below at the same time is really distracting.

>>6100177
quiet GOOSEb

>>6099960thw table height and perspective in specific looks wonky because I had a different line of vision at first and was too lazy to change it when I changed the line of vision (slightly above the table, the inked line in first one is the wall)
But I will be fixing that along with the arms

I didn't like that I couldn't see the pupils of his eyes because you can't tell if his eyes are open or shut. So I tried to define it.

>>6100245
Don't mind that I also fixed the nose but the eyes don't look as good with the pupil defined because the lighting makes no sense. His eyes need to be reflecting that light so I'm not sure what to do.

>>6100232
How are you going to paint this? Show some of your other work

>>6100245
>>6100246
Push your values, this looks like what I see in the middle of the night while half asleep and unsure if I'm hallucinating or not.

Get some fucking light in there

>>6100248
This is the only completed painting I have a photo of, but otherwise, uh with gouache on mixed media 7x10in paper dried while taped to a giant clipboard to keep it from curling

>>6100246
Shit is too dark m8

>>6100232
Fix the arms

How does I stop worse to be

>>6100257
Stagnated permaprebeg is there anything lower

>>6100256
Holy shit anon what the fuck did you do to the poor cats arm

>>6100260
Ey it's a proof of concept!

>>6100256
The cat's hand that's holding the glass looks backwards.

>>6100263
I know. I simply mirrored it in paint to show

I'm working on the cover for my comic (its a horror that's why its so edgy) but I want to know what I can do to make it anymore striking so maybe someone would look at it and actually consider reading it. Should I scrap it and start again or does it look improvable?

>>6100209
what did he mean by this

>>6100288
Why is she microcephalic?

>>6100259
I don't know what is happening

>>6100151
>>6100170
How much is appropriate though? In a drawing are the black from the lineart and the white from some small highlights suffice.

>>6100310
>microcephalic?
the reference I used for her hair had a prominent bump from the bangs to the rest of hair but I think I exaggerated it too much D:

That's enough for tonight.

>>6100316
Because I am stagnate

>>6100327
even pinkanon has more variety than you

>>6100333
Yes! Yes! Tell me I’m worst than googly eye guy and esdeathfag. Tell me!

>>6100338
aye don't compare me to esdeathfag im workin' on expanding my drawing powers too

>>6100288
>>6100310
>>6100320
he's trying to tell you that you cut off the top of her skull and extended the rear out too much
remember, hair lays on top of the skull. draw the skull in first then overlay hair on it so it doesn't look like she has fetal alcohol syndrome

>>6100320
post said ref

>>6100049
No, but you can add me on discord if you want

figure drawings from the last month
https://imgur.com/a/lIwjUOn
what should i work on

>>6099491
Well I was gonna when I got back but I got it in person so it all worked out.

>>6100341
is this better? I never use sketches I rlly should. Thank u so much for the redline :))
>>6100345
I got it off a Chinese version of Pinterest and sketched it really quick if I find it later, I cant find it for now but if I do ill send it

doods I like cammy despite being unable to pull off a single combo off her

>>6100378
grind your fighting game fundies

>>6100374
That's better in a relative sense but still not right.

>>6100374
i think the face is a little too wide anon

>>6100374
She still has too much skull in the back, looking like >pic rel
I hesitate to say the face is wide like >>6100396
because idk if that's what you're going for or not so it's not necessarily wrong but a potential fix as well
I do recommend sketching out your heads and using some form of construction, it really does help fix these types of issues

>>6100374
here, without a shrunken frontal lobe. All I did was rotate her scalp clockwise and clean up the gap that resulted. I'd still rather see the reference so I could point to what exactly is wrong with it instead of just messing with things to make it look "right." >>6100396 is right too but imo that could be chalked up to style

hey lol uh I don’t use 4chan at all and I’ll prob never come back here but I need like rlly in depth critque of my art style in general. pls don’t doxx me if u don’t like it or smth idk what y’all do here

pic attached is of my oc !!

>>6100488
Very flat. Needs more loomis and use of reference

Old ass sketch I did, I just really like gestural work

>>6100488
Giving you an in-depth critic will take well over 30 pages. but if you want a TLDR:
- learn your fundamentals first
If you do that you might find some quick improvements. There’s tons of free and great art tutorials on youtube for you to start.

Am I polishing turd

>>6100529
The right eye looks like it’s too big, and too high up on the face. Look back at your guides, and you might see it

>>6100354
Most of the figures took around 10 minutes each.
I want to hear any general critique, what should I work on, or other suggestions

>>6100488
Find some professional artists you like and copy as much as you can from them. Use layers to check your accuracy.

>>6100529
honestly looks like you're renderingmonkeying to mask really shaky art

I envy the people that cant recognize when their art is shit

>>6100533
I looked back at my sketch and it seems like I messed up the nose when I was rendering, causing the eyes to look misplaced.
>>6100575
Trueee. I tend to draw to render since its my favourite part.

I feel like I've gotten somewhat decent at drawing faces from reference, but it all goes to shit when I try to make them from memory. What do I do?

>>6098870
Yea, precisely. If you don't enjoy drawing, then you will never get good at it. Go on with the 3D! I hope to see your art somewhere here and I'm sure it's going to be good!


But please, don't focus only on anime shit, we have enough of those

Dads friend, who had ties to a place that rejected me quite badly, asks for a poster design from him which he relays to me. Zero dollarydoos and plays the "come on anon, ya dad really needs ya to do this" card. I accepted it anyways since the design follows a principle i've never touched but always had an interest in (futurism). Find out later I have to postpone my scheduled stuff to get it done. When finished it looks understandably generic as FUCK. No word from dads friend yet. Showed mom who responded with "ooh yeah."
I obtained nothing but lost time, motivation and possibly respect. If the cunt wants more shit I'm refusing. Sorry for the vent

>>6098684
You know a lot of people use tablets in 3D modeling right? Both for sculpting and general workflow.
Anyway, here are a few suggestions.
>If you just want to draw for fun, consider getting a pen and a sketchpad and doing traditional. Many, many people find physical media easier to control and work with. The Pilot Metropolitan is a cheap fountain pen and getting that and a bottle of Platinum Carbon ink will cost less in the long run than buying an equivalent number of disposables (and speaking from experience it'll still wow normies). As disposables go, I don't care for the ever-popular Microns; They run out of ink quickly, they're overpriced, and while their strength is ultra-consistent line width, that's also their weakness. I prefer felt tips: Cheaper, more ink, better line weight control.
>Make sure you have stabilization turned down very low or simply off in whatever software you're using. It keeps your lines from having little bumps in them but doesn't stop them from wobbling and on the other hand absolutely does fuck up the lines you intend to make, and for some reason it's on (and really high) by default in a lot of software.
>On that note, you may be using shitty software, and that can heavily affect UX. Best free option is Krita but also check out Autodesk Sketchbook (it's the best-optimised software I've tried by a long shot, including paid options, so there should be virtually zero pen lag even on a shitty computer, which can make it easier to make the lines you want to make).
>If disabling stabilization doesn't work, specifically practice line control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaif0PpNMas
>For eyes in digital media, lasso the first eye, copy and paste, flip the pasted selection horizontally, drag it over next to the other side of the face, and try to match that eye. Most people struggle with symmetry; eyes are just where it's most obvious.

How do you guys balance studies with actually drawing?

>>6100783
Should've refused to do it without pay flatly to begin with. If you just wanted the experience you could have done it yourself on your own time for practice. Don't condone shitbags who exploit artists (or people in general).

>>6100783
sorry to hear that anon
but i hope you don't lose any more sleep over freeloaders
best wishes

>>6100791
>>6100793
Thanks you guys, I feel better

Trying this again.

>>6100790
I mostly just draw, and I do studies when there's something specific I decide I need to improve. I try to do at least one study a week, even if it's just redrawing something I've drawn before or some shitty reference posted on /ic/, though. Good to keep those observational muscles toned. For a beginner I'd probably recommend making a list of the things you're worst at (whether it's specific body parts, line control, colour theory, shading or whatever) and study one thing a week, at least once a day four or five days of the week; Otherwise spend your drawing time just drawing. It may not feel like it but the "just drawing" part isn't just to keep it fun, it helps build general skill and to cement what you're learning in your studies.

Don't forget to take breaks, too. Sometimes if you take a week off you'll find you're a lot better when you come back to it. Bad habits decay but knowledge doesn't, kinda. Doesn't mean take every other week off or take six months off or something, but maybe a week every few months, plus a couple of days a week if necessary (if you draw every single day you're liable to burn out, especially if you're also drawing eight hours a day; 40 hours a week is a standard fulltime job for a reason). But there's a good chance you're drawing less than that, anyway.

>>6100805
Glad I didn't come off as too harsh or reprimanding. Hope you can find more paid work soon.

>>6100254
>>6100250
Better?

>>6100339
None of us are ever going to make it.
And who is pinkanon?

>>6100811
>too harsh or reprimanding
God no, I'd never get mad at someone for contextualizing the reality which is that yeah, I should've just flat out refused from stage 1. Thanks again anon

>>6100810
That's very helpful, thank you

>For eyes in digital media, lasso the first eye, copy and paste, flip the pasted selection horizontally, drag it over next to the other side of the face, and try to match that eye. Most people struggle with symmetry; eyes are just where it's most obvious.
Wtf is this the kind of people giving me advices all this time? I hope you are implying how to draw eyes on faces seen from the front otherwise holy shit

>>6100924
Meant for >>6100787

>>6100151
based absolute /beg/man giving the wrong advice on purpose

>>6100937
cute and hot

>>6100924
>I hope you are implying how to draw eyes on faces seen from the front otherwise holy shit
Goes without saying, room temp friendo. People don't struggle half as much with 3/4 view, which is why it's widely regarded as the easiest perspective to draw people.

Trying rendering again, a bit too Copic marker like and cheap looking though imo.

>>6100810
This is big advice, generally. I find breaks in between guitar playing I find new ways to break out of my rut, and feel this also rings true for art.

>>6099361
Only permasketch superbeg crabfiends hold a grudge over flame

Sketching from pinterest/movies today and yesterday, just AI coloured with csp to get an idea of whether it could read well or not

I tried I guess

>>6101002
Apart from the conclusion that you should learn to judge value by eye (which you're an absolute retard if you disagree with- do you think traditional painters just set the painting to greyscale, retard?), everything I said is non-qualitative objective fact, so if any of it were wrong you'd be able to refute it with evidence pretty easily.

how do you paint settings thats monochromatic with a tight range of values?

>>6097770
>- Figure - Design and invention
>- Pen and Ink
What's the author for these two? Googling the other two got me the books I wanted but these just linked to online tutorials and I don't know which book to get.

>>6101205
Michael Hampton
Arthur Leighton Guptill

>>6101210
Thanks dude!

>>6101188
You absolutely do not need black or white in your image. Yes your eyes do adjust to lighting, but that does not make your eyes' dynamic range suddenly irrelevant. Let alone while viewing digital media (to which as you said your retard theory applies more to) which is by nature a light emitting medium.

should i use both sides of the page in my sketchbooks?

yes, am brainlet

>>6101223
And I absolutely did not say you needed either, illiterate monkey.

>>6101244
>It has to do with how our eyes adjust to lighting (by expanding and contracting the iris, and through alterations to our perception). Your eyes always adjust so that something in what you're looking at appears fully black, and usually so that something appears fully black while something appears fully white. If you don't have that in a rendered image the effect becomes muddy and washed out (which can be useful, if it serves what you wish to convey; there are times when it is appropriate to break all rules). Also applies more to digital images than traditional media paintings
So this was just something irrelevant you randomly decided to add for fun then? No need to get so defensive just because you probably watched a half-informed youtube video and then presented it as
>non-qualitative objective fact

>>6101260
No, it's an explanation for why you "generally should" go to full white or black somewhere in a composition, monkey.

>>6101265
Right, not that you shouldn't or can't but that generality doesn't exist. Especially for the made up reasons you mentioned in an attempt to look smarter than the average monkey here.

>>6101271
>made-up reason
Yet to see that refutation, DK!

>>6101274
>Your eyes always adjust so that something in what you're looking at appears fully black, and usually so that something appears fully black while something appears fully white.
Let's go with a hypothetical so a retard like you can understand. If you were in an infinite expanse of grey, your eyes would not adjust it to be white or black. Not through "contracting of the iris" or "alterations of your perception". Your iris dilates and contracts to regulate how much light passes through to the sensory tissue. Looking at an image be it a painting or a screen (a literal window of light) will not cause any change in your iris that's not how human vision works. If you were in pitch darkness assuming your iris had time to contract and saturate the retina with rhodopsin then your rods take over, you might still not see the painting, but looking at a screen the bright almost whites would be seering and look pretty pure until your rods adjust and the iris has time (it takes time it would not be instant) to dilate. From then on you would not see the non pure white as pure white. Your iris does not adjust to every image you see neither does your sensitivity globally change every time, that would strain your eyes immensely. This is why if you look at a bright light and look away you will see an afterimage.

>>6101274
If the lighting conditions don't change the only thing that the eye will adjust when looking at the brightest part of the image (or the darkest) is how much detail you can make out within it just because our focus IS actually selective and adjusts instantly unlike our broad "exposure".

NEW THREAD!
>>6101370
>>6101370
>>6101370

>>6101315
An infinite expanse of grey would appear white after your eyes adjusted, retard. Literally every white you have ever seen in your life has been physically grey. God you're retarded.

>>6098101
Cute

>>6098171
I mean, go for ot, they're cheap.
I got one because I only draw on my phone too but I don't use it because I like drawing directly on the screen. I don't like that wacom has no screen on it, it makes me feel like I'm not really drawing.