/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5252425
not everyone is a retard like you who only plays lol 24/7.

>its practice
pfff nah but really what is it
>practice
yeah okay but like whats the trick
>practice
no i mean the secret
>practice
tell me the SECRET
>practice
WHY WONT YOU TELL ME YOUR SECRET
>practice
FUCKING LIAR TELL ME THE SECRET WHY WONT YOU TELL ME
>the secret is to practice regularly
UGHHHHH FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT PROS ALWAYS HIDING THE SECRET I HATE PROS FUCKING GREEDY SHITS YOU THINK YOURE SO FUCKING GOOD I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

What's wrong? You'd definitely be a better artist if the time you spent being a twitter gossip was put to drawing instead.
You are just being a childish gossip.

>>5252447
There’s people who have practiced for years and never made it out of /beg/.
I’m not some doomer who thinks only a few people blessed with talent can draw. But it’s also obvious to me that there are effective and ineffective ways of practicing.

>just draw
>just draw
>just draw
>just draw
>just draw
>just draw
>just draw

>>5252456
no, there arent. there are people who draw 3 times a week and tell you that theyve practiced online. Unless you have a legitimate mental disability, if you practice deliberately for a couple hours a day you will improve.

"Just draw" isn't a meme only if you have talent.
People "with" talent and people "without" talent are using the same hardware, more or less - maybe Picasso had some weird overdeveloped brain chunk, but by and large people who can draw and people who can't draw don't have huge biological differences.
What IS different is the software. There are a million subtle things that some people do that means they have "talent". Maybe they have a tendency to be really interested in value, so they spend a bunch of time on it, or maybe they don't have a propensity to symbol draw so they never unlearn it, or maybe the way they like to learn is just really conducive to getting better at drawing.
For those people "just draw" means following the path of least resistance and putting in hours, and it works because their path of least resistance is well-suited to learning art.
People who aren't running the same software need to be more deliberate, because their natural way of looking at the world is different than "talented" people. It can be learned (which is why talent is at least partially a meme), but it is a real difference that needs to be dealt with constructively.

I think that fundies are the secret sauce.
The "practice regularly" is so basic it's not secret at this point.

>>5252425
>better shitpost on /ic/ instead of drawing, that’ll help me get good at art!

What’s it like living with a frontal lobe injury, OP?

>>5252456

A lot of people lie, and most of these lies, are about either how much they practice, or about their own self doubt. Those anon have not made it out of /beg/ simply because they don't want to.

>>5252456
You are correct. It’s like when people do a photocopy and say “it’s a study” when they didnt “study” shit they just photocopied
You should have a deliberate purpose with the things you study and it’s best above all to draw from life even if you can only do random objects. Understand how different forms look under different light will help with everything

>>5252425

>>5252425
>keep drawing conciously

/fixed

because just drawing also assumes youre looking for ways to actively improve but you cant if youre not even drawing to begin with
how stupid are you that when someone says just draw you automatically assume it implies to just scribble on paper for hours on end without thinking?
dumb ngmi

>>5252498
what is the difference between a photocopy and a study?

>>5252518
That meme is terrible

>>5252518
/board

>>5252518
fuck off back

>>5252447
Basically this. It's amazing how people will utterly shun work if it's the only way to progress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKs0oEIVOck

>>5252846
a photocopy is just copying a photo mindlessly. A study seeks to learn something from what you’re copying, you’re drawing with your brain present. Example: drawing a bunch of knees from photos to understand how it bends, or how light interacts with the structures; drawing a face to note which structures disappear at certain perspectives (aka how to tuck/stack features) or maybe to practice stylizing faces and translating expression into something more cartoony. Even if you’re just practicing rendering techniques for specific textures it’s something. Mindless photocopying is a waste of time.

>just draw, sweety
>>5169697
>just mileage,
>>5218953
just gotta grind, bro
https://www.artstation.com/santalahti

>>5252425
Talentchads really believe thats all it takes.
It's like a gigachad telling an incel to just be yourself and be confident and girls will flock to you.
They don't know any better

>>5252425
Everyone who get accepted to the industry inner circle gets access to the secret textured brushes that takes you from /int/ to /pro/

>>5252934
Wouldn't you need to be telepathic to be able to tell whether someone was doing a study or just a photocopy though?

>>5252425
Might be helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJsGiNnzns
TLDW:
If you study and practice things that have immediate or broad applicability you will get results faster.

>>5253042
someone who does "studies" but can't tell you what they're studying or are still shit after years has clearly been doing photocopies. no shit you can't read their mind but results speak for themselves.

>>5253042
If someone posts a “study” in a draw thread and says something like “study I did today” you can ask what exactly were they studying and they won’t have a real answer lol

>>5252425
>>5252456
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>>5252466
>>5252467
>>5252498
>>5252843
>>5252934
Since I was a child up to the age of 21, I only ever sketched and doodled in class. I didn't do a single study, didn't read any material, didn't put any thought into improving. I just doodled and sketched, every single day at school, for more than 10 years.
By the age of 16 I already had a good grasp of anatomy, perspective, shading. By /ic/'s measure I was arguably out of /beg/, without ever having done a study.
It was only when I was 21-22 that I started browsing /ic/ and started actually practicing and studying. I can confidently say that I got more gains in 2 years of practice than I did in 10 years of passive sketching.

"Just drawing" will absolutely give results, but it will take a shitload of time.
What people confuse for "talent" are those years and years of sketching and doodling that start from childhood. It gives a sort of artistic intuition that looks like magic to the normies, hence why they label it as natural talent.

For the beggars reading this, the most efficient way to improve is to read the fucking sticky.

>>5252447
practice? practice what asshole?

>>5252466
The idea of talent is a meme. Improvement is easily attainable if you think about what you're doing.

The reality of getting good at drawing/painting is grinding. You put in absurds amount of time while THINKING about what you're doing and you'll see results.

>>5252425
Based Nuri, keeping it real.
Making the drawlets seethe.

>>5253193
the thinking part is the hard thing
to get good as an artist you need to think like an artist

you can find people who just willed their way through life all by themselves thinking that an approach like that will help them approve fast

but it won't

>>5252425
The secret sauce is to change your way of perceiving most of the time
>muscles too flat
Stop copying the image and draw a cylinders that tapers really thin. Like two tiny circles or elipse with arcs connecting them and then cross contours
And the reason people can't do this instantly is because you're literally changing how you think which is harder to do than to train your arm to hold a pencil differently

>>5253201
Then the reality is theyre stupid get over it

>>5252425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

>>5253255
basically, yes. now you just have to recognize that what they're lacking could well be not general intelligence but just spacial reasoning ability, and you've accepted the idea of 'talent as affinity for a specific set of skills'.

anyway, OP is right to complain imo. pros like to throw around feel-good 'inspiring' platitudes because they're a safe way of farming likes and there are no clear, immediately visible downsides. the downside is all the poor idiots you goad into wasting years of their lives before they figure out that you've mislead them with false promises that they'll make it if they believe in themselves and work hard - but your fresh followers won't pay any attention to such bad, negative, toxic lazy people (I'm not like that, so I'll be successful for sure!), and while the shattered existences pile up you get widely praised as an important inspirational public figure and your patreon and gumroads sales flourish.

>>5253255
>Then the reality is theyre stupid get over it
learning how to think right is the biggest part of learninig
except they're not, they're ignorant.
when people give art advice they never teach you how to think right
good teachers teach how to think like an artist
listen to the lectures of or get scaffold by any professional art instructor and they tell you ways to think like an artist

people who don't need that have intuition, but intution is something that can be taught

>>5253325
>basically, yes. now you just have to recognize that what they're lacking could well be not general intelligence but just spacial reasoning ability, and you've accepted the idea of 'talent as affinity for a specific set of skills'.
We have books like Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, The Practice and Science of Drawing,
The Art Spirit, and more for a reason

You can find a lot of good artists who never needed books like that to get good as artists, but for many, art books that don't even teach you how to draw help immensely.

if everyone could learn from just doing we wouldn't have teachers

>>5252466
I was gonna disagree with you because I definitely don't believe in talent except in super rare cases but I think this is pretty much right. Like I really stagnated in my art because I was only drawing for like 30 minutes a day every day when really what worked for me was drawing for like 2 hours a day twice a week. Something about having long sessions really helped me learn, and if I'd never figured that out I would have sucked forever. I guess I can accept that people might not naturally learn the way that's best for them, but idk if I'd call it talent.

>>5252456

>>5252466
install gentoo on your brain

>>5253500
still hoping for when I finally get "it"

>>5253197
I've been following him for a few years now. He's one of my favorite copic marker artists. Love the coloring style and soul in his work.

Let's turn this into a Nuri art dump thread now

>>5253541

>>5253543

>>5253129
okay, thanks for the elaboration

>>5252456
>But it’s also obvious to me that there are effective and ineffective ways of practicing.

Fucking this.
There are things that can take you months to figure out on your own that can be taught to you in a few minutes. Knowledge of techniques, tools, and your own weaknesses can be gained with practice but the fastest results will always come from instruction. There are people incapable of seeing their own mistakes so they will endlessly go in circles if left on their own.

>>5252456
>There’s people who have practiced for years and never made it out of /beg/.
>I’m not some doomer who thinks only a few people blessed with talent can draw. But it’s also obvious to me that there are effective and ineffective ways of practicing.
It's worth remembering there are people who never learn anything. Some are just born incapable of developing empathy, self-reflection, self-control, motor skills, patience, an interest in the world, imagination, or all of those combined. They're the people who end up as handicapped children or criminals at worst, profoundly unremarkable drones at best.

Thanks to modern wonders like nutrient-depleted soil, chemicals, artificial hormones, drugs, dystopian cities, lack of nature, and especially the lack of evolutionary culling (all women get to breed at will thanks to fuck culture and artificial insemination, all kids get to live no matter how unsuited for life), you can expect more and more of these types and more whining and moaning when they turn out to be incapable of even the most basic actions that the strong, normal people of the past performed easily.

And in before "people in the past died at 40". No they didn't. Plenty of people lived to 100 with no pharmaceuticals or surgery. The average life expectancy of ~40 comes about because half of kids died either in childbirth or before adulthood. Before agriculture, there were periods when people were significantly taller than now, with larger brains.

>Luddite!
I'm not. You can have modern comforts while avoiding most of the trash.

>>5252425
The answer is simple:
their advice worked for them. They practiced art regularly, and they improved at enough of a rate to do it for a living.

But something tells me many of the people here who claim to be stuck are either being impatient, or they just don't spend much time practicing.

If you are one of those people who draws for 10 years and is still total crap, either you really didn't draw consistently, or you're just autistic and nothing will help you.

>>5253631
I think this is why most people can't draw despite practicing for a long time.

Most people probably just draw randomly, never structure their own practice, will not draw for weeks at a time, and even worse, they will draw something kinda ok or cute, and go "this is my style" and never practice anything else besides their own little doodles.