/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5236903
soul vs soulless

i am 24 years old and and i have been jerking off to big titty anime girls and oppai lolis since i was 15. i'm afraid i won't outgrow it until i meet the right woman for me that kicks me in the balls and tells me anime is gay

>>5236903
Tomorrow

>>5236903
Never was into it but i still watch a lot of manga and anime because sometimes they tend to have supreme creative solutions. Or a very effective style of story telling. Vagabond is great, the works of Taiyo Matsumoto and that movie Mind Game is just love. (Let's put Junji Ito in here as well)

>>5236913
unironically true

>>5236915
It's not a matter of fapping to oppai lolis or not because I do it too, but I know "learning anime" is as worthless as "learning cartoons" without a good understanding of fundamentals first, /co/ understands this better than /a/.

>>5236923
So basically every boring normie ever.

>>5236927
I guess yes. Just like Dali, Egon Schiele, Gustav Klimt, them turtle named artists, D. Hockney, Picasso, Monet, Van Gogh, Super Cringe Banksey etc. All basic boring normie stuff as well but nontheless enjoyable and a source to learn from but never ever to copy.

Whats your point anyway?

>>5236903
Right looks more like anime than left though?

>>5236935
Im mocking you because youre calling lame shit that appeals to the most common denominator like Vagabond and Junji Ito as creative, when they are as basic as you can get. You probably think Cowboy Bebop is the greatest anime of all time as well.

You just sound like the typical normie whose afraid of admitting he watches/reads anything anime related to avoid being associated with any negative stereotypes because he cares too much what people think.

>>5236903
>Google landscape photo I like
>Put watercolor/painterly filter over it
>Gaussian blur by 15%
>Put my anime coom over top
>2-5k likes in the first day
You mad?

>>5236942
Meh i dont mind that normie stuff. Your mocking reasons are just as normie tho.

>>5236903
rent free

>>5236942
>>5236965
>normie normie normie normie normie..
>normie normie normie noormie!!
the absolute state of this board

>>5237090
>t. normalfag

>>5236903
Whoever painted on the right side has never seen a mountain in his life

>>5236903
For me it was the opposite. I started by drawing more realistic stuff, and then I realized more stylized (anime like) stuff was easier to mass produce and brought in more money.

>>5237147
pym

>>5236903
looks like a background in an old school anime desu

What is it about anime that makes so many fags on /ic/ flip out?

>>5236915
>i'm afraid i won't outgrow it until i meet the right woman for me that kicks me in the balls and tells me anime is gay
This is where you went wrong. You literally said
>I'm happy until a women comes in and tells me to give up all my happy things because she said so.

Unironically I used to think "Just draw stylized if you aren't aiming for a realistic style in the end" but now I am seriously questioning my choices thus far.

I want to learn fundies traditionally but I don't know how to start since all I did was a little bit of DAB and the beginning of Hogarths book. I am not "fully" into art since I am too lazy to force 6 hours everyday but I want to study fundies seriously to make my art look more professional and gain following on the internet. My perspective and compositions skills are still pretty fucking bad, I can't properly color and my art still boring as hell even if I want to go for a stylized look. I don't even know if this is the right thread to ask this, but should I start drawing realistically unironically for a while if I want to move out of this NGMI looking art quickly?

>>5236903
when do you grow out of your anime hating phase?

>>5236944
I kneel

>>5237184
I would be bitter about anime as well is i had dedicated my life to learning western art only to find out anime now the most popular shit.

>>5237220
Source

>>5237220
Probably inherited asian genes from parents.

>>5237310
https://twitter.com/timbougami
also used to post in /ic/, still does sometimes (i think)

>>5236903
>having phases
>not living in waves
Get a load of this beg

>>5237220
>learned fundies through western teachers before animeing
Proving OP's point

>>5237184
Weebs are the special ed children of /ic/ who always need extra attention.

>>5236942
>Hipster fag detected.

>>5236903
If anything left looks more like western style and right looks like anime. People tend to not realize how detailed anime is just because the face is simplify and stylize.

>he came to an anime website to complain about anime
You aren't welcome here.

>>5236942
I can already tell you've been gatekeeping around these threads for a while faggot

>>5236942
I hate retarded weebs like you that think they are so unique and quirky for watching some obscure shit.

>>5236903
The secret is that you don't need to grow out of anything. Just get good at whatever it is you enjoy.

Anime isn't even real Art, when will people realize this?

>>5237220
now his art blends into everything else on the internet and gallery boards.

>>5237205
HUMONGOUS COW TUDDERS

>>5237630
Helluva based

>>5237698
Is it a good or a bad thing?

>>5236942
Based, the normalniggers writhe.

>>5236913


>>5236924

...My goal is to be decent at both anime and semi-realistic styles. Is it really that hard to maintain more than 1 style?
(I’m still just a beg so I don’t really know)

>>5237860
It depends on the complexity of the style. If it like something like sakimichan's shit, then you are stuck with that, if it was just basic anime then multiple.

>>5237860
You first need to learn the properties of the world with photorealism before stylizing it.

>>5237698
As opposed to what? Shitty deviantart works that no one sees?

>>5237630
This

>>5237604
>Obscure shit
Nigga what?
I would hardly call Crayon Shin Chan obscure and that's leagues better than any normie anime airing this season.

when you consume alot of anime throughout the decades, you just begin to develop taste.
That anon has only a superficial interest of the medium, and it shows. And its definitely because he's too afraid to take the plunge and watch actual good shit to avoid being labled some kind of anime virgin. I know his type well.

>>5238095
>Crayon Shin Chan
Normalfags back in the day loved it, I don't know what you're imp-

>alot
Nigger, you just made me side with the Cowboy Bebop mainstreamer.

>>5236903
Left is unironically better as a work of art.

>>5237687
What is real art then? What standard are you holding anime up to?

OP is an unemployed art student seething at hentai artists and furry artists

>>5238693
Art
>expression

Anime
>mass produced TV filler streamlined for speed rather than artistic merit, will eventually be made with AI random generators when feasible and hold the same level of quality and human expression as human-made anime

>>5236903
>weebshit as a kid
>discover tumblr and /co/ during early teens
>reject anime and become a /co/fag
>years later feel absolutely no joy in drawing western shit
>return back to anime
>felt better than ever
I'm home

>>5236913
FPBP

>>5237205
Fundies vs stylized is a false dichotomy. If you just mindlessly grind still lifes or perspective exercises or whatever, then they’ll just be as bad and have the same sorts of mistakes are your stylized illustrations.
The important thing is that you’re consciously analyzing your mistakes and using fundies knowledge to correct them. But you can do that whether the subject matter is a stylized illustration or something more realistic. The important thing is the approach and the method, not the subject.

>>5237425
So you're saying it's better to grow into an anime phase as you grow older?

>>5239192
The point is that you should learn to draw first instead of having anime brain rot or any kind of cartoon brain rot, what you do after that is up to you.

>>5237687
>painting and drawing cute girls in the style of the time back then
>art
>painting and drawing cute girls in the style of the time now
>not art

>>5238174
learn 2 read.

You claimed im a hipster who watches "obscure" shit, and I stated Shin Chan as an example because that's by no means obscure.

>you just made me side with the cowboy bebop mainstreamer
Judging by the fact you post a yugioh image, i'd say you were already in that same camp from the start.

>>5239568
Ok, Mr. Shin Chan is not normie shit.

>>5240009
Its not "normie shit" and definitely isn't "obscure".
You've been outclassed, corky.

Sit down, eat your pudding, and try again next time.

>>5237417
>also used to post in /ic/
Always surprises me when I find out that these pros used to come here. I've only started lurking here recently.

>>5236903
Never

>>5240019
I’m not him, but can I see what you look like?

anyone getting emotionally invested in this debate is a beginner. just saying.

Anime is OK, is cartoons what are shit.

>>5243275
youre the equivalent of the 25 year old manchild who still only eats nuggets and sprite for every meal because anything else is "icky"

>>5236903
I don't know, I've found real life more interesting since a while ago, anime is just entertainment aside from a few exceptions.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

>>5236903
...phase?

>>5236942
>lame shit that appeals to the most common denominator like Vagabond and Junji Ito
He didn't say a word about the actual common denominator shit like shonen anime tho

>>5243275
>noun:
>noun 2:
christ this format is insufferable, points out the exact type of shallow person that's using it every time
were you trying to make america look good? I see the same anime character I've seen in 5000 other "designs" and an actual distinguishable cartoonized character

>>5236903
never had one
Unless you mean watching it, in which case may never.

It depends,I m not aiming for an anime style but if my style takes his influences from anime (as well as other styles) then why not.
But I don't think being in an anime phase.But definitely a stylized one.

>>5236942

>>5236903
the person who made this image thought about the shitty picture on the right "this is it. this is peak landscape painting."

>>5236903
Never.

>>5236942
take a look at crunchyroll's most popular anime page. that's the kinda shit that appeals to the most common denominator. you're some fucking weeb who thinks he's cool for liking shit nobody's hurt about, huh? in reality you're just as fucking awful as people who watch OPM or MHA

>I do digital art vs I do traditional art
Ftfy

>>5239124
>Anime
>All these words
You just don't know where to look at, don't you?

>>5243275
Why do primary school aged characters in childrens tv have to appeal to 30 year old manchildren?

>>5244831
Because weebs love that shit.

once again faggots here talk about something they don't know shit about, anime is just the name western retards gave to anything produced by japanese people because anime isn't an artstyle in japan, it's just their way of drawing things.
Anime is in the core of anything japanese draws because they've been influenced by them no matter what, yet crab will try to tell me pic related isn't anime while it 100% is. Stop getting mad the USA hasn't had any great artist since the 60s expect Dave Rapoza meanwhile japan are cranking hundreds per year.

>>5244902
> anime isn't an artstyle in japan
>Anime is in the core of anything japanese draws

>USA hasn't had any great artist since the 60s expect Dave Rapoza

ask me how i know youre 18

>>5244902
>tsukushi
extremely based

>>5244907
give me arguments against the first 2

give me great american artist which aren't Jim Lee aka asian artist migrating in the us and I'll gladly accept i'm wrong

even if it's close to the truth, my age doesn't mean shit in this debate which doesn't exist outside of /ic/ crabbing, the industry ain't giving shit about what's art and what's not, some studios will hire you if you have an anime arstyle, other if you have a american artstyle, end of the story, same goes for commissions.

>>5236913

Anime was very specifically developed to be extremely cheap to produce, using tricks like camera pans to convey movement and separating the facial features from the head to make them easier to animate for example.
Most japs are really, really bad at perspective and fundamentals in general since so many of them entirely base their studies on cheap cartoons that forgo quality for the sake of budget.
Never "learn" anime without first being very comfortable with the fundamentals, it'll only teach you bad practices that were never developed with sound drawing practices in mind, it's like trying to learn to draw by copying toonboom garbage.

>>5237486
>If anything left looks more like western style and right looks like anime
Brainlet

>>5244745
>you're some fucking weeb who thinks he's cool for liking shit nobody's hurt about, huh
Are you over the age of 18
Seriously

>>5244944
>give me great american artist which aren't Jim Lee
Aaron Horkey, Richard Schmid.

>>5236942
Can you name some things that you consider good then? Genuinely curious.

>>5236942

>>5236942
sounds like you're the one who's afraid of what people will think of you if you like things that you consider normie tier. You must be a lot of fun at parties

>>5237788
>>5236903
Argument I don't have

Wojaks I must spam

>>5236942
>calling Junji Ito basic
fukken newfagoot

>>5236913
Faggot.

>>5249100
that guy is a big faggot but saying shit like
>You must be a lot of fun at parties
outs you as a massive faggot redditor as well, just think you need to know this.

>>5252006
hes mainstream youre a retard as well. holy shit is it summer already

>>5236903
Never had one to begin with

>>5252305
>browsing reddit
Go back, dumbass. You don't belong here in the first place.

>>5236942
Hahahahahahahahahaha I can't help but laugh everytime I found fags like this. They literally seethe if someone likes art, comics, mangas, movies etc. that other people also like. Of course there's a bunch of bullcrap I don't in any way enjoy that greatly appeal to s-0-y fags redditors. And maybe I could like the some things they also do for very different reasons. He cited good mangas, and taiyo who seems to be a very good author, tho I only watched ping-pong, I quickly googled him and he seems very fine. Vagabond art is indisputably fantastic, then so what a lot of people like it as well. Why would they not like it? There also a great number of very unknown works that are absolute gem, which, should they get any more spotlight, they'd rise to the same level of popularity of these so-called "basic" works. In other words, you're saying you can only like unpopular, be it for whatever reason, and underappreciated works? And insofar as they don't grow in popularity? Nigga, that's so fucked up.

You mentioned cowboy bebop, now I don't if the guy your replying to really loves it to death, but what if he doesn't. You ever thought about that, huh? I enjoy some things that you call basic, but bepop ain't anywhere near my favorite. My favorite is berserk, because I love the writing, I love the art, I love Guts and I enjoy a "fit" lifestyle.

I think that the problem with people like you is creating these false generalisations that 99% of the fails to accurately describe a person's taste. These only work with braindead leftists, anything with feminism and diversity in it, but even then, you can found them on leddit discussing things we also do here. Should we stop just because of that? Lol no.

Tl;dr: fuck off. for some reason today I feeling like writing in paragraphs, if you want to read it, then read it and if don't then get fucked lmao

>>5244902
The last great American artist was Franklin Booth. The jews and Modernism did a number on western art.

>>5252305
>noooo he mainstreamerino he shit now summer amirite fellow 4channers
the absolute state of plebbit zoomers

>>5252460
learn to pay attention honey.
anon1 said Junjei was basic shit
anon2 said it was a deep cut
anon3 said anon2 was retarded

learn. to pay. attention.

>>5244902
>anime is just the name western retards gave to anything produced by japanese people because anime isn't an artstyle in japan, it's just their way of drawing things.
>Anime is in the core of anything japanese draws because they've been influenced by them no matter what, yet crab will try to tell me pic related isn't anime while it 100% is
Can't agree more
>USA hasn't had any great artist since the 60s
Can't disagree more
There were and there some many talented artists after the 60's, so many showing the brilliance in comic art, in numerous forms of illustrations, in animation, in some form of contemporary art. Now I absolutely hate modern art as much as the guy, but to say that good artists don't exist just because our current culture is trash is ridiculous. There a lot great unknown artists that, thanks to the internet, they can show it to the whole world. The best of them are the ones who have distanced themselves from this current shit type of art. You know that very well since you even mentioned Dave Rapoza.

>>5252471
fuck off, autist

>>5252493
:)

got it all out?

>>5236903
when i discovered that ukiyo-e is superior

>>5243275
>why hasn't america normalized pedophilia too?!

>>5252814
it has, but only for a certain tax bracket

>>5252814
You should look up "missing children in USA". In terms of Pedophilia USA is number 1.

>>5252995
>>5252833
Cp used to be legal to sell in japan, retard.

>>5236903
but there are many many anime background artists that paint just as good if not better than your example on the right.
Not saying the painting looks terrible, just seems like like you're unironically confused about what anime is desu.

>>5253010
>Thinking USA isn't trying to normalize pedophilia
Hate Japan and anime all you want. They are still better than USA when it comes to art and beauty. Likewise the Ottoman Empire became the sick man of Europe, USA is becoming the sick man of the western world.

>>5252833
>>5252995

hey dumbasses, saying "pedophilia isn't normalized in america" is not the same as saying "we don't have pedophiles"