/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLGNGsJ5L40

Since it's a new thread I'll ask for help on shading and texture again

>>5201431

not sure how the chest would look. he's supposed to be standing straight

trying to figure out how to light stuff..

>>5201497
bro don’t approach this yet
This is my (subjective) guide for begs
Keys To Drawing
DrawABox
FWAP
FDFAIW
then you have most of your construction and shit down and it will be easier

>>5201540
also you can find all those in the sticky / on google

>>5201540
what does FWAP and FDFAIW stand for?

>>5201547
fun with a pencil, figure drawing for all its worth
all in the artbook thread/mega

>>5201547
Loomis books i haven't read, I just shill them here

>>5201551
this retard isn’t me

>>5201550
>>5201547
>>5201543
you don’t even have to go that far for loomis
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
also don’t believe the crabs who tell you he isn’t good
Everyone who can draw good today learned from someone who learned from loomis

i don't think i've ever been as happy with how something was turning out as i am with this one.
gonna take a break and try to paint it in when i have the energy; any critique about the gesture/proportions appreciated before i move on from the sketching phase

>>5201554
Pyw crab

>>5201564
forgot to resize

>>5201564
too beg to help you
ask in the int thread

>>5201564
Brother thats a lot of chicken scratch

>>5201576
there's an int thread?

>>5201580
yeah, i'm painting over all of it so i didn't exercise restraint

>>5201583
>>5199398

>>5201588
thanks, still not familiar woth all the generals

>>5201594
you are being memed, lurk more unironically

>>5201583
there's no int thread because there's no such thing as int, you're either /beg/ or not /beg/

>>5201612
theres clearly a difference between day 1 begs and 3 year old begs

What's the difference between day 1 begs and year 3 begs

>>5201558
>Everyone who can draw good today learned from someone who learned from loomis
wow! you know the biography of a lot of people

>>5201497
>>5201497
learn to do cross contours if you're doing observational drawing before you do stuff like shading and cross hatching it helps alot in understanding the form. more structural shit is by using construction and stuff. Hampton design and invention is good pdf file to have if you want to attempt to just jump right in
CGMA peterhan dynamic sketch 1 and 2 will help form your basic shapes
Drawabox to understand basic perspective of shapes(fuck the gay ass 100 draw challenges)
keep them as daily practice., make sure to take everyones suggestions never found loomis except for drawing heads so theres my take.

you dont want to be the x-months schizo thats the embodiment of Keys to Drawing now

>>5201575
is that a shield with a loli's face on it? where this is from?

>>5201588
kek

>>5201655
it's a medusas head.
it's supposed to be my take on Perseus

>>5201653
X month schizo is probably ban for a few days huh. He hasnt been crying here

>>5201564
>>5201575
this is really good. you should go to the /int/, /asg/ or /draw/ threads. you're certainly not /beg/

>>5201661
I can see the snakes now, nice take. whats up with the deer skull? I can't make the connection

>>5201666
I hope that he is out there actually finishing some book/course this time. instead of just doing one exercise and giving up.

>>5201679
it's a Blessing of Artemis goddess of the hunt, I don't think he got it in the actual myth but dude went arround gathering enchanted trinkets from several gods and he was on a hunting mission so i figured it would be fitting if he got something from the goddess of the hunt.
>>5201674
thanks I'll stick to /asg/ from now on

>>5201497
if you want help for texture unironically do drawabox or dynamic sketching.

>>5201691
>it's a Blessing of Artemis goddess of the hunt,
I see, nice

I'm going to do it, I'm going to fucking read fun with a pencil.

I'm tired of being shit.

>>5201743
Yeah don't forget to draw

>>5201755
should I read first then draw or draw while reading or what the fuck

>>5201757
Just draw

>>5201575
I would have to baby shield staring straight ahead instead of looking in the same direction as the character. It looks kind of weird like that. Unless it's supposed to be an animate shield.

Looks great.

Just drew this without reference. How are the proportions?

>>5201834
proportions wise not bad, his neck area might need some work.

>>5201834
turd arms....

>>5201842
>>5201845
Red line it crabs

>>5201847
weird way to ask for a favor

So, is Marshall Vandruff's new perspective course still a thing ?

>>5201847
oh com'on the arms are obviously bad, they look like turds thats a fact

>>5201847
No, instead I'll let you in on a little truth:
There is no extra merit for "drawing without reference", neither for "not having drawn in a long time" or for "I drew this using only sticks and stones"
There is only merit for drawing WELL with the APPROPRIATE tools, only a fool would think they deserve more recognition for the limitations faced in the making of the final product
Not to mention that if you draw poorly using crappy tools, you only make a clown out of yourself

>>5201857
That's not me(the guy who posted it)

>>5201863
>>5201853
>>5201857
>cant even redline some arms
Damn

>>5201863
maybe anon just wanted to point thjat out to justiy any crappiness in the final product which i think is okay

>>5201866
>>5201847

>>5201870
I already redlined it in my brain, there is no merit for replicating it onto a canvas

>>5201867
He's just mad because he chugs ass

doing some hampton

>>5201956
just copying shit from the book is doing very little
put his principles to practice on your own

>>5201976
I gotta sleep first so I absorb this and then Ill try, I always study like that

>>5201956
It really doesn't feel like you understand whatever it is you're drawing as actual 3D forms, the cross contours look like they're done for the sake of doing them. Try drawing stuff as it were see through, drawing even the sides you can't see and wrapping those cross contours around the entire form.

>>5201847
Look up Robert Marzullo and draw from IRL refs as close as you can. Copy them exactly as you see them.
I'm not grabbing my tablet for this.
I need to practice men too desu.
At your stage, you shoulf only draw with no reference whenever you are doing a test against the same drawing with no reference. Don't bash the same mistakes into your brain even if its just a little bit. You can blast ahead of everybody if you do nothing but copy the right things from the get go, then slowly take off the training wheels.

>>5202000
*you should only draw without reference when testing your knowledge against a drawing you used reference for

Been trying to understand gesture from vilppu all afternoon, it's really fucking frustrating. Tempted to try hampton but I'm determined to finish drawing manual to the end.

>>5201984
Will do

Anyone got any advice for this?

>>5202014
isnt cross hatching suppose to be an indication of form anon? like it wraps around the robe and stuff?

>>5202017
Yeah I was thinking of that, but was afraid it'd look like shit if I fucked it up. I guess that's the thing I need to work on next.

Please critique my drawings. The mouse, fingers, and phone camera are from life. The trees and ball are from imagination.

Since there's no pre-/beg/ thread, I'm posting this image I created. I actually spent a decent amount of time on the sketch, but it looked really bad despite resembling the form of the reference.
So I tried roughly shading and coloring it, with unimpressive results.

>>5202074
you should probably study head anatomy before using color and stuff, this is an example of polishing a turd

>>5202078
I see what you mean, thank you for the feedback.

>>5201514
you drew the head in isometric perspective but completely ignored the vertical axis you pre-established when drawing the chest. if you arent going to bother with perspective, at least make your vertical lines parallel

>>5201685
never hope he comes here, literal walking psyops

>>5202140
whats a psyop?

>>5202144
psychological operation, takes a psychological hit on your mental health. usually takes an extended period of time to take affect, completely different from crabbing and shitposting. "what happens if I become like x-schizo?" "Is my art is really that trash" "Did I waste my time" instead of feeling that your just having a bad day and moving onto a different drawing, you'll just be there wallowing in mud with him, you arent in your normal state and arent able make critical rational decisions. The trigger word in this case would be "months" since everyone on here is trying to do there best with the time they have spent and we have this faggot that keeps crying all over the place shitting and killing threads here and about the months he spent wasted and that will into peoples head one way or another.
it's alot dangerous for what you might think, I fucking hate that faggot so much

>>5202160
5 m o n t h s

>>5202166
bare minimum he still needs to flood the thread, it still needs to be a very overwhelming presence to make sure its seeded. its not TDS bad levels of bad. heed my warning my fren, I genuinely dont want any of you guys getting affected by that faggot.

>>5202180
that faggot knows nothing of the fury and hellfire that is yet to rain down upon him. I am the one that knocks

How long should it take to learn to draw why do I keep feeling like I’m going backwards?

Picking colours. Hoping to get time to shade it.

Issues I know about
>Half giants left arm is almost apelike in length
>I lost the ribcage and shoulder mantle once I started layering on clothes and adding the interaction with the boy
>Need to work on faces
>The thick linework and hatching are on a desperate layer and will probably be re-worked once I add shading
>The gray spot on chick is gut armour that I forgot to finish on the other side of her body
>I don't know how to colour the inside of mouths

Any advice on colour picking and getting poses like this to look more natural?

I used a mashup of photo refs because I couldn't find anything like pic related.

>>5201538
Looks good man.

Simple but effect

>>5201575
I like it.

>>5201486
can't believe my work is on OP, am I allowed to leave /beg/ now.

>>5202277
no

>>5202277
That means you epitomize what it means to be /beg/ you have a long way to go

Someone help me with the hand, i drawing on my phone.

still trying and feeling dumb....

>>5202361
Cute, dont give up. Try the build up method. Soft brush, less hard brush.

>>5202365
soft brush, less hard brush?
I'll try building up more for the next one then.

Where can I find a good animu torso tutorial?

>>5202361
People are giving you shit for painting these beautiful landscapes with your cartoony lil girl in them, but be aware: I genuinely think this is the sort of thing that develops into an artist's style/unique quirk.

I think you should lean into it - polishing your ability to draw beautiful landscapes like this but continuing to have a more stylized, cartoony character in the scene - I think it would be a real striking look, and if popularity is something you want, it would help you stand out in the crowd. Your landscapes are strikingly good - right now the character stands out as being comparatively simple in a distracting way. Turn a distracting element into a strength. It could easily be a very distinctive, unique style trademark, IMO.

>>5202377
The reason I would say this is happening is an extreme example of drawing symbols versus drawing what the eye sees.

With the landscape, I imagine you are using a photo reference and working to match values, colors and textures from the original image.

Your character is drawn from imagination and is strongly symbol-drawn. You don't seem to have much of a sense of figure drawing or anatomy, just a decent ability to draw a cartoon character.

You could definitely draw her more realistically if you studied anatomy and started replacing your symbol drawing memory for humans with a more realistic one, and applied the same technique you have for the environments. But I really do think you should embrace the dichotomy.

>>5202377
>>5202380
I'm aware my figures aren't the best, but I feel more critical regarding my landscapes...
I'll set some time aside for at least an hour of gesture drawing

>>5202373
Hard edges are for things like hard shadows or hard light. Or shapes that should be defined properly. If everything is hard shapes, it is very hard on the eyes.

I'm hoping that if I start rendering more, the appreciation of form will transfer to my drawings.

How do you know when you've stopped being a beginner? I think most of you are kind of pros already, I feel like shit

>>5202375
mega mega mikey

>>5202425
Here are some good habits.

1) comparing is good, you should celebrate human excellence, you are human too, it means you can do it too!

2)do not let others tell you what you can or cannot do in art, no rules all tools.

3) dont feel bad cus you are bad. you are not winning yet, keep trying, when you win, it will be glorious, never give up.

You can do it, you got this!

>>5202160
> "what happens if I become like x-schizo?" "Is my art is really that trash" "Did I waste my time"
I mean, the fact that he just keep jumping from course to course without finishing anything would make me not think this. he is literally doing it to himself.

>>5202334

>>5202462
Thx anon!!

>>5202425
for me is when I am able to draw without making any concessions, like sometimes I have to compromise and change my composition/pose because I just don't have the dexterity/knowledge to pull it off.

>>5202270
I like the dynamic gesture of the foremost leg, but the way you arranged the anatomy makes it look like the leg is being broken and twisted off. Otherwise I think you did a good job with creating a natural looking pose. I can tell you were conscious of how important the spine is.

>>5202425
it's extremely vague, it's one of those things you have to figure out what it means to you specifically

to me, it's just the freedom to be able to draw whatever kind of scene i want without compromising because of my skill level. doesn't mean anything i make has to be perfect, but close enough.

kek I hate me
I spent 3 hours trying to "fix the pose and perspective"... then noticed I didn't like it much, said "screw it" and did the lineart over the original sketch.
Now that's much better, I didn't need to waste time reinventing the wheel.

kek I hate me
I spent 3 hours trying to "fix the pose and perspective"... then noticed I didn't like it much, said "screw it" and did the lineart over the original sketch.
Now that's much better, I didn't need to waste time reinventing the wheel.

Alright fuck Loomis I'm too dumb for this shit. How did you guys approach the book? Did you just like draw all of his illustrations and moved forward only when you were done with the entire page?

>>5202568
>read it
>understand it
>apply new knowledge while figure/portrait drawing

>>5202563
How is this /beg/?
I’m serious, for my own education, tell me the flaws here that make this /beg/ level.

>>5202569
Fair enough but damn the amount of illustrations early on was kind of intimidating. Like chill man I'm literally shit at drawing

>>5202578
To be fair even I think I'm probably not a /beg/ at times, I just lack the discipline to finish pieces with high quality more than once per month.
Still I don't feel comfortable calling it flawless, since I failed at the perspective for hours.

>>5202481
Hey thanks for the reply man. I see what you mean about the leg, thanks for pointing it out.

I honestly doubt I'm going to edit it much at this point but it's a good reminder to pay more attention to the sketch and the whole.

>>5202069
Draw from imagination in that case lol, those look way better. the reference drawings look too rigid... feel free to exaggerate some elements as it will actually make the drawing more lifelike

>>5202408
looks great anon

>>5202780
This guy is a moron don't listen to him. Drawing from imagination is a meme. Learn to use references correctly

bought a wooden manikin

>>5202812
these are copied from a great video I watched on yt

https://youtu.be/t-crXRMju-Y

c&c welcome, don't mind hands and feet

>>5202792
Thank you!

>>5202425
When I will able to put a line where I want with sub-pixel precision and draw forms with required proportions without rulers and draw a shadows without refs and calculations. Maybe last isn't necessary.

I have no idea how to draw figures properly. :/

>>5202994
Uh then practice doing them at least two hours a day. I'd do some fun stuff first then do muh basics to make it not a chore.

Total beginner here. I read the recourses but I don't want to go through a book just yet. At the moment just copying random symbols and trying to blind draw them. Also practicing my lines like the guide on drawabox. Should I focus more on faces and body soon or can that wait for a bit till I get a little better with muscle memory and precision?

Happy valentines day, homos.

>>5203120
This is what happens when you begin drawing coom while you still have a 12 year old's drawing level.

>>5203123
Ah you love it. Slut.

>>5202578
He's smerfing.

40 mins. i feel like im getting the hang of gesture a little. before this month i only did 20 minutes a day and i feel like i wasnt trying hard enough to understand it.

Not dynamic enough. What else?

>>5203195
Smerfing/10

>>5203195
FIX the hands

>>5203206
Oh /ic/ you're so fucking worthless. Never change.

>>5202848
your proportions are off. The neck is too thick and the head could be a little bigger. The lower half of the body is small compare to the upper half.

>>5203112
what are you trying to draw? If you want to draw figure drawing you should start to study that then. Also drawing in general improves muscle memory and precision.

>>5203161
did all of this take 40 minutes? if so try and do some timed gesture practices to improve on time.

>>5203212
Thanks, the neck is indeed kind of thicck. I elongated the torso, so the lower half looks too small.

>>5202456
Thanks anon, I'll keep grinding and studying

>>5202105
yeah I knew something was off

>>5203206
Yeah those hands are physically impossible

>>5203211
what? he is saying what is wrong with the drawing if anon needs more information he can just ask.

>>5203321
The hands are wrong it's the angle the right arm is at that's wrong. He's one step up from MUH ANATOMY.

>>5203123
Well aren't you fucking worthless.

>>5203195
Is every pose supposed to be dynamic, anyways ? I'm often drawing people just walking around or sitting on couches doing nothing and I wonder if I should try to force some more dynamic poses to make the picture appealing.

>>5203413
>Is every pose supposed to be dynamic, anyways
beg here, my understanding is that you push the pose to convey better the characters feelings. I think that the characters should be feeling something 99% of the times. how much you push will depend on how strong the feelings are tho.

Im still trying to attempt construction but I am failing so hard at it. Making boxes doesn't make sense bros. Will any of this ever click for me?

>>5203440
if boxes are not working for you try the bean method. Also it takes time and practice to get better just keep studying.

>>5203440
do you have a good line control? if not, construction will not help you that much. it doesn't matter if you know where to put the lines, if you don't have the dexterity to put the lines where you want to.

>>5201575
fuck off of beg attentionfag

>>5203440
the stomach is pretty much just fat and isnt part of the rib cage anon

How do you make colored light sources like torches or flares ?
I tried making another layer at 5% opacity or so with the base color of the source, or at least what I think it would be at given distances, but it looks even worse than what I was expecting.

Is there a blending mode to do those or should I just hit the books to figure out how to do it the hard way with actual color theory instead of being lazy like with everything else ?

>>5202361
same advice for anyone: clean up your lines, work on anatomy.

>>5202390
>>5202361
Personally I find the inconsistent brush style jarring. It's not just you, it seems to be a common side effect of digital art.

>>5203477
Positively seething

>>5203448
Isn't beans are less precise (if we aren't talk about robo-beans which has a boxes inside)? Also who is the best bean teachers besides of Proko? Vilppu's method with spheres is little similar but I think it's not true beans.
>>5203472
Seconding this, bad line control often ruins my construction with any method. Maybe I also can't draw hair because of that.

>>5203120

>>5203494
You need to take a step backwards and focus on the basics. Draw 3D forms, not lines. Don't shade with half-opacity black; instead use a darker shade of the color at 100% opacity.

>>5203512
Was your goal to make this look unsettling? It's working.

>>5203512
You forgot to draw the lower back, the tits shouldnt start at the collar bones, and the necks are too short. You may want to study like the parts of the human body. Not how to draw them, just know what they are.

>>5203494
notice how this girl's legs are two shades of pink. Not pink with grey/black smeared over it like in your drawing.

>>5203518
>use a darker shade of the color at 100% opacity
I know but isn't that what the multiply layer is for ? you put some gray on it and it makes the layer below darker no matter what the color was ?
I don't do color that much.

>>5203529
Yeah I mean it's a boy getting teamed up on by three curvy women. Scarousal is definitely the theme here.
>>5203534
anatomy study is on my todo list

>>5203512
it honestly reminds me of, you'll definitely get recruited by some creeps anon

>>5203512
>shota getting gobled
kek

>>5203512
>Crocs
Extremely based and gmi

Is there a good guide to making crosshatching conform to the form? I tried it on some bottles but they all sucked. The big center bottle I honestly forgot at the start I was suppose to do that, which is why half the crossings aren't even curved.

r8 my rythmn lines pls

>>5203512
Creepy 52 y.o art

>>5203593
Alphonso Dunn has a book and some youtube videos on it.

>>5203593
No, its just practice. You're talking about repetitively making the exact same curve wrapping perfectly over a very specific curve, each with the same width, length, spacing, and pressure. It's hard. Just takes mileage.

>>5203593
I guess you just need to be able to draw the cross contours of the forms like that draw a box exercise

>>5203602
is that Reilly method? not familiar with, but your lines look nice to me

What brush do you use to color anons?

>>5203888
Hard round, rarely airbrush with lasso, and my new fav use the water color but i have difficulty using it right

Spent two whole days on trying to find out how to do a gesture drawing the right way. How the fuck.

>>5203893
watch vilppu gesture videos

>>5203759
Thanks anon
Yeah it's the reilly method, saw some russian guy on YT talking about it and gave it a go, it seems really intuitive so far

>>5203901
That is literally the person I have been reading and watching for the majority of this time. I know you're gonna call me dumb but maybe I'm really just lacking the confidence to continue practicing it because I'm afraid I'll go in the wrong direction somehow.

>>5203893
did you try proko?

>>5203558
What the fuck is this from?

>>5203913
Yeah I tried proko, but I felt like it was far off from what vilppu was doing. It doesn't even look like the same thing. What's happening to me is I'm getting lost in not copying the contours, obsessing that I'm drawing a line that I shouldn't.

remember begs the goal is not to get good, but to improve a little every day. getting good is just the consequence.

>>5203917
podesta's favorite artist Kim noble

>>5203919
I think that he has a video that he does the gesture in the vilppu way and explain the differences, did you saw it? but if it is not clicking for you try go learning something else and coming back later, sometimes that is all it takes.

>>5203942
No, I couldn't find that video, is it premium or something?
I'd love to move on, too, but I feel as if this is some sort of foundation and exercise I'd like to do almost daily. Otherwise I wouldn't have spent so long on it.

>>5203893
Brent

>>5203970
Brent Eviston? Found some classes in a big /ic/ mega, I'll give him a shot. Is his book worth reading too?

>kind anons itt giving encouragement
i see you and i appreciate you

>>5203512
I've never seen /ss/ that looked so wrong.
I actually feel like I'm watching a molestation crime here

Never touched a loomi's book
I jsut draw buildings and stuff, pls no bulli

>>5203593
rotate your paper to get nicer lines

get thinner pens or fineliners, I recommend the sakura micron manga set (important!!!!)

copy good hatchers like oshimi shuzo or tsutomu nihei exactly as best as you can

>>5204053
WHAT THE FUCK ANON, THIS IS NOT BEG. Nice gains, how long have you been drawing for anon? Also on you've never really drawn people?

>>5204064
he could use some fundies

>>5204064
since a kid but I guess I started crosshatching and using drawing pens 2 years ago. Also yes I only really draw anime characters but have no idea how to draw normal humans

>>5204053
you're perspective needs a lot of work.
The staircase doesn't look convincingly like it's ascending because you forgot that the steps in the back should look smaller than the ones closer to the foreground.
The angle of the building above also clashes heavily with it.
Also that tree's placement is also confusing as hell.

>>5204072
yeah I just noticed, just the cross hatching is way too good got distracted
>>5204073
I see thats pretty neat, vandruff perspective 1994 video course you know where to find it fren

>>5204076
understandable, I think I did a much better work on my perspective on this drawing of Falling Water.

feeling discouraged. how beg m i? first few r 30 sec gestures

Did any of you draw your waifu/husbando?

>>5204094
>>5204053
>perspective drawings
bruh you have good rendering but your perspective is dog shit

>>5204094
>>5204053
Where'd you learn crosshatching from? That's the area I'm trying to polish up on.

>>5204152
by myself
buy some pigma microns and practice on microns, once you try upping the diffculty and drawing sth else, basically that

>>5204160
Right now I'm practicing on dip pens, but I'm not good enough at them to switch between fineness. I always just use the finest one for everything.

>>5204150
i dont divide my drawing into grids and i give fuck all about perspective until i posted here thanks for the critique, ill consider the fundamentals next time i draw

>>5204161
dip pens are way too inconsistent and thick imo, try fineliners, dip pens are imo only for long flowy lines used in manga

>>5204053
Damn man you have potential, just get a book on how to do perspective and you'll have some gains

>Pen is decalibrated again again
Mother fucking ifqwieofwq[oiegf[NFI I HAVE TO RESET MY PC AND UPDATE MY DRIVERS GODDAMANIT

>>5204053
Pretty cool anon. Fresh to see something other than poorly drawn anime and coomer shit.

>>5203512
This is actually very nightmare-inducing, and I’ve never had this reaction from /ss/ before.

>>5202270
Had a few minutes to work on this before bed.

I'm mostly guessing at what I'm doing when it comes to colours and shading.

Anything that stands out too much as being fucked?

Lights coming from top left.

How do you accurately judge the distance between two things(like the space between the eyebrows) when drawing from reference? Also any other books for beginners aside from Betty Edwards and Loomis? I was enjoying Edwards until the exercises required a viewfinder and Loomis is too complicated for me right now

>>5203954
I think that it is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktfwayByRU

>>5204094
it looks better because it is has the modern look to it that let you get away with non 90 degrees corners

>>5204124
looks fine to me

>>5204145
do you use layers and colors or just colors?

>>5204146
no I am not that autistic yet

>>5204419
there was a image about that but I can find it anymore, but here is a video that helped me a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTlgwRq7y78

>>5204504
Thanks anon that was actually helpful. Also I thought the holding up your pencil and looking at it was just to look cool lmao

How do I draw a straight line?

>>5204536
Unironically, with a ruler.

>>5204536

>>5204540
>>5204541
Rulers are very helpful. But what if I want to be able to draw precise lines without the use of a ruler?

>>5204536
Just draw it bro

>>5204546
I’ll tell you a secret anon, if you pyw

>>5204548
Just kidding just do the lines section of drawabox

>>5204546
why would you want that?

>>5204555
To escape the ruthless clutches of big ruler

>>5204565
you can get pretty good at freehand but it will never be straight even for the naked eye

>>5204565
draw a box is pretty good for this

>>5204571
Do people unironically use rulers? I feel like I wasted my time trying to learn how to draw straight lines

>>5204577
are you unironically asking that?

>>5204577
Nigga people take photos and trace over them. If people are allowed to use 3D and photobash and then you’re allowed to use a fucking ruler.

>>5204577
Personally I use my ruler ironically but I can’t speak for others

>>5204584
Ya

>>5204585
That's my point. I just felt like people overemphasize line confidence and stuff when you can use a ruler anyway. I mean nobody really cares about the process as long as the end result is great

>>5204150
>but your perspective is dog shit
Because? F- for your critique you have to give an explanation. And don't say he should know well no he shouldn't because it's /beg/ and he doesn't.

>>5204555
>>5204571
I just want to be able to do it. I feel like it is important to get a good grasp on the basics of drawing. A ruler can be used at any time, but knowing how to draw a reasonably straight line seems like a good skill to know. Should I just draw a thousand straight lines every day until it sticks?

>>5204536
Hold shift and left click.

>>5204601
do dynamic sketching with peter han
will help you gain better control of the pen

>>5203219
oh, I did do them timed. one minute on each

dabbling into trad

>>5203120
aaaahhh im gonna coooom

How the fuck I am supposed to study anatomy and decent posing? Some are saying "study gesture first" and after a few tutorials and methods I tried to follow they still look like shit, and others are saying "study the muscles first" but I am not even sure how I am supposed to do that, should I just study the shape representing them or every muscle of every muscle mass in general?

>>5204633
Will check it out.

>>5203195
thought i'd redraw this for fun

>>5204812
I don't think you understand what an artist is. An artist creates art for the sake of creating art. If they didn't create it, they wouldn't care about it. That's why they are artists. And you're not an artist, because you've never created anything worthy of admiration or respect.

You need to stop making shitty drawings and start doing something else with your life.
If you want to be an artist, you'll have to learn how to draw.
You will also have to learn how to paint. You might find that painting isn't all that bad after all.
And finally, you will have to learn how to write. You may already be good at writing, but it's going to take time and practice.
So let us help you become a better human being.

>>5204839
stay in your containment thread, schizo

>>5204839
Go draw u lozer lmao

Oh wise eternal /beg/ of the /beg/ thread, what is your wisdom.

>>5204859
leave /beg/ and never return

(do it for me)

>>5204839
Imagine being pregnant for 9 while months just for this...

>>5204053
>>5204094
Beautiful style and nice lines. Your values are off though, if you get those right then you are golden. Try squinting more and unifying shadows in big masses. Graphite or charcoal would be good to practice it, but whatever you use, squint more and be careful drawing stuff too light in shadow areas. Your lights and shadows are not seperated. Otherwise great work!

>>5203888
Hard round loomis

>>5204839
Incredibly based.

remember begs:
>The road of mastery is only traveled by those who can tolerate being a beginner. Knowledge begins with the acknowledgement of ignorance. Those who can embrace being a beginner will thrive.

I hoarded so much stuff from the mega and course threads preparing for this weekend, now I don't know where to start, I have vilppu, Loomis, proko, Dodson, trillion artbooks, but I feel like I don't know where to start.

I'll just go take a shower and calm down.

>>5204839
>And you're not an artist, because you've never created anything worthy of admiration or respect.
>you are only an artist if you win other people approval
pathetic.

>>5204939
anything is better than nothing, in this case at least.

>>5204933
I just call people haters and claim it's my style

Feel like I got a similar problem to >>5204939
I doodled around a bit / did some exercises, but wanted to actually start properly. I just kinda feel overwhelmed by the amount of resources.
Some people say "start with loomis", then someone comes along and says "loomis is a meme, start with key to drawing" then someone says something else.
How the fuck do I get around that?
I was thinking about using new masters academy or CtrlPaint, but it's similar to the other resources where obviously everyone has 40 opinions.
The fuck do I do anons , anyone here that got over this meme?

>>5204839
It's good the hand on the left is merging with the cuff though.
Please don't listen to >>5204839
he's just another hipster douchebag that infests this sewer.

>>5204967
>Some people say "start with loomis", then someone comes along and says "loomis is a meme, start with key to drawing" then someone says something else

fucking same, I was about to begin with Loomis today, but when I was reading a thread while making some coffee I read this post >>5202944

Now I'm going to download Peter Han's course and read keys to drawing. But now I no longer want to do anything and I'm just lurking /ic/

>>5201486

>>5204967
Loomis is mostly a meme. he's right but can't teach for shit, fun with a pencil goes from cheap caricatures you're supposed to make for fun to real faces and the only way to not fuck it up in a couple pages, and all the important shit like anatomy, perspective and expressions is glossed over in a few paragraphs telling you to "just draw, lol".
He made some actual books for pros and students, and those are legit, but you might want something with more legible diagrams and handholding to start with.

doing blooks is still fun though, you should at least do that part.

TALENT IS REAL
6 MONTHS COMPLETELY WASTED

>>5204975
No shit I read that reply too. Where did you get han's course from? Couldn't find it in the Mega.
And at the end of the day, I guess nobody can really answer that question for us. There will always be someone with a different opinion, so at the end of the day it comes down to just picking something and just doin it. But I guess it doesn't really get more beginner than "Keys to Drawing" so it might be a good start.

>>5205003
Makes sense, my blooks looked like malformed potatoes so I got kinda discouraged by the realistic faces etc later on. But hey, after a while they should at least somewhat resemble a head. Thanks for the advice anon.

I did meme man

>>5205009
Well what are you trying to do? Learn how to draw for your self or get a job?

>>5204967
I'll put in another vote for keys to drawing for what it's worth, it's real easy to keep up with as it goes along. Loomis got a bit complicated for me pretty fast the first time.

>>5204967
just skim through the book and make a decision, don't feel obligate to read the whole book

>>5204966
>Knowledge begins with the acknowledgement of ignorance.
I get that it is a joke but a joke has to make sense. did you just read the first phrase?

>>5205009
how can such a shit game be so good bros?

>6 MONTHS COMPLETELY WASTED
how many courses/books did you finish?

>>5205019

>>5204094
>>5204053
Always sign your work, especially on that level

>>5204975
"Keys to drawing"
Looked it up, is it the book by Bert Dodson?

>>5204841
>>5204849
>>5204861
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into your "art makes you mad" bullshit.
Art is supposed to be pleasurable. Art is supposed to bring joy to the viewer. Art is supposed to inspire creativity.
When you spend hours drawing pictures of cute animals or flowers, you're not really creating art; you're just masturbating.
ART ISN'T A JOB! IT'S NOT A SELF-GRATIFICATION PROGRAMMING TOOL!
ART ISN'T ABOUT YOU AT ALL!
You're not some kind of genius. You're not some kind of artist.
You're a pathetic loser who needs to grow up and accept reality.
Just because you enjoy making drawings doesn't mean they're any good. Just because you enjoy playing video games doesn't mean they're any good.
If anything, they're a waste of time and energy.
Don't try to convince me otherwise, because I won't listen to reason.
I'm done listening to you.
And if you think that I'm going to let you get away with this, then you're sorely mistaken.
You might as well go ahead and kill yourself right now.

>>5205023
It's over, it's over
You've seen my drawings before
>>5205042
None but I was doing a lot at the same time, NOTHING WORKED
6 MONTHS WASTED

>>5205053
Pure babble.

>>5202994
that's why you study them, you retard

WHY?
6 FUCKIN GMONTHS WASTED
I COULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT PRECIOUS TIME
BUT NO
I WASTED IT ON DRAWING
WHY?> WHY CANT I IMPROVE? I MUST KNOW THE ANSWER

>>5205019
>>5205046
I don't know why but cartoons just don't look right in the front view

/arse/

>>5205067
>None
can't you really not see the problem here?

>>5205121
calm down slenderman!

>>5205099
I'll try a 3/4th view now, I'll post it later.

>>5205126
I see your point maybe they're too slim, gotta put more musle on top of the cilinders

Help pls

Just how much should I know before attempting figure drawing? I know about form, perspective, measuring/proportion... All I'm really shitty at is shading. Would some still lifes help prepare me? Am I being memed into thinking I cannot do this after drawing for 7 months

>>5205141
I recognize that tummy style.

>>5205142
its Just organic forms on top of a box anon. also get yourself anatomy for sculptors pdf

>>5205145
You are probably referring to mikeymegamega, yes, I use his method to draw women, that's why it sucks.

>>5205146
Sure, I get that, I've drawn people with construction a bunch of times. I'm afraid I'm missing some crucial skill or practice that is gonna topple the whole thing somehow.

>>5205155
I knew it.
Try learning construction from scratch and then see his videos on how to achieve his style.
I'm actually one of the few here that like his style a lot, but I know I'm not at the level I should be branching into a style.

>>5205142
>Just how much should I know
Just do it, who cares. Worst case scenario, you spend two hours on it, it looks like shit, you find out the most urgent thing to work on between form, shading, perspective and such, you try again in a few days, and it's still shit but slightly less.

That's how I do it anyway, it's a constant cycle of drawing trash, being sad and grinding that somehow becomes less depressing every time

>>5205164
Thanks anon :)

>>5205155
>>5205164
Mikey said in one of his few videos that I watched that the intention of his tutorials is to get people to actually enjoy drawing by luring them in with quick sexy girl tutorials. You get some basic skills from it but it's far from what you need to be good at drawing.
>>5205171
That was the plan, cause I dread having to put this off any longer.

>>5205142
>>5205193
if your gonna do megamegamikey I will not be inclined to help you, You'd have the still have the same effect with making balloon animals with that method

>>5205099
>>5205128
I tried, I'll keep reading loomis when I get back home.

Take care /beg/ frens

>>5205208
I'm not using mikey at all, and I never have. I've just watched a couple of his videos because he's cool and makes nice art. Actually using him for anything would be pretty retarded.

>>5205208
I'm using vilppu, loomis, hampton etc.

I want to draw like mikey desu

>>5205112
Have you seen my drawings? yes or no?

>>5205235
He's a good artist but I don't wanna draw like him at all.

>>5205235
he was one of the guy who inspired me to start drawing, because he only used mechanical pencils

>tfw just noticed how bad the head is
Damn I thought I was doing okay for someone drawing with half a 5th of rum in him

>>5205235
just trace from pornhub

>>5205249
???

>>5205236
irrelevant, every course is made with the assumption that people will go through the hole thing. if you just do the first week of a drawing course, no matter how many courses you do you will always be an one week beginner. if I told you that I spend six months doing the first lesson of a bunch of piano courses would you be really surprised that I didn't improve?

>>5205257
Lies
MANY RESOURCES HAVE BEEN TRIED, THAT COUPLED WITH MY OWN DRAWING
I SHOULD BE BETTER
WHY HAS /IC/ TOLD ME TIME AND TIME AND AGAIN TO QUIT HUH
WE BOTH KNOW I WASTED 6 MONTHS
>>5205257
IF I DONT REFINE THE INITIAL PHASE OF THE PROCESS THEN YOU CANT PROCEED
WHY WOULD I GRIND VILPPU WHEN MY VILPPU GESTURES HAVE BEEN AMONGST THE WORST ON THIS THREAD?
WHY CANT I IMPROVE
I SHOULD BE BETTER

>>5205249
Is this the same guy that accidentally brought up his blacked.com reference?

>>5205262
eat dick

new thread

>>5205269
>>5205269
>>5205269
>>5205269
>>5205269

>>5205262
>IF I DONT REFINE THE INITIAL PHASE OF THE PROCESS THEN YOU CANT PROCEED
wrong, you are suppose to do your best then move on, this is not school.

>>5205210
Loomis faces look like the American mutt meme from /pol/