/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

loomis

>>5179200
proko

That's a very cute thread pic

take the footpill
this boy draws better with his feet than I do with my hands

cat cat :3

Redline my sketch please. Also I have a troubles with hands and second ear.

>>5179212
Thumbnails for what? I don't get it.

>>5179228
Alberto Lolli

I tried doing dog skulls for a tattoo idea for spot, i used ref but the 3/4 view looks fucked and idk why. im not used to be drawing from life/pics

>>5179305
ref i used

>>5179302
the small drawings using simple shapes to test out the compositions

fuck this
seriously I DONT GET SHADING
we are doing figure drawing and its honestly easy but we cant get the damn shading

>>5179423
it doesn't look bad. how long have you been studying for?

>>5179269

>>5179455
Fuck you, you just want me to say it
but in the rare case that no, you're being serious, 5 FUCKING MONTHS
I should be better, 5 months anon, a child can do the same in five fucking months

>>5179168
Been drawing on and off 2 months now. My first attempt at a tree, im 32, feel old!!

Always wanted to get into something creative, tried many things but never drawing but im starting to really click with it, I think.

Is drawbox good lessons to take?

>>5179423
Im a fukkin newb but I think your shading on the cat and face are decent. Better than the shapes, which should be easier.

>>5179464
See this is what I mean? Could i have DONE this TREE? maybe maybe not
is it about talent? AT TWO MONTHS HES BETTER THAN ME
AHAHAHAHAHAHA IM JUST ANOTHER
GIRL IN A SWEATER
AAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>5179464
please use rosetta stone

>>5179462
well, you're ahead of me and i've been practicing for two years.

Anyone able to redline and improve her arms? I'm drawing clothes over her but I can never get the arms to look better

I got permanently banned from r/learnart
Fucking redditors, I want to skullfuck them
>>5179504
Dont believe it but ok

>>5179512
but you know, 4chan is superior there I said it so the guy who told me r/learnart is better can fuck off

>>5179423
In a fruitless attempt to help you
I recommend Pen and Ink Drawing by Alphonso Moss, he breaks down value, shading and texture using a pen and is generally very helpful. He also has a youtube channel with lots of helpful and free videos as well

>>5179525
Thank you, imagine a virtual kiss with no biting
Now why do you say fruitless?
Right now Im using (I reduced it alright) eviston and keys mixed with dorian and proko
would you please answer and tell me, am I doing decent for 5 months because we are starting month number 6 and im mentally ill a bit, they banned me from r/learnart and I was so close to shocking them with my true nature

>>5179531
You're legitimately doing fine for someone who started only five months ago. The reason people respond harshly to you is
A. The incessent spamming of the same pictures over and over
B. The constant complaining about learning art being difficult. Yes, its tough. It's tough for most of everyone. Most of the greats started shit.
C. Time and time again you've recieved advice and simply denied it for one reason or another. You need to have some patience with this shit. Art is probably the least 'instant gratification' hobby on the planet.
I want you to get better just like I want everyone on this board to, but you need to be patient. Understand that talent doesn't make or break an artist and the journey is different for everyone. Stop bellyaching about the negatives and try to focus on the positives. And if you're genuinely mentally ill like you claim, consider seeking proffesional help, as you'll be quick to discover most denizens of 4chan.org aren't exactly medically inclined.
We're all gonna make it bro, no matter how long it takes

How is this looking? also any advice for drawing tables/counters from this perspective

https://www.rkgk.org/
heres another site to add to the

Can someone explain to me what's making this spaceship look like shit? Are the lines bad or what?

>>5179572
you didnt render it

>>5179572
For a sketch no for final line art yes. The ship itself looks fine and fully rendered would look great. There may be minor corrections for details but that’s on you to figure out. Looks fine to me

>>5179565
why'd you cover the armpit thats literally the COOOM part of it

>>5179575
>>5179576
Thank you both. I'll keep working on it.

Is there a video course that teaches everything Scott Robertson teaches in his book? I'm more of a video guy than a book guy.

>>5179581
I don't want to reveal my armpit pussy fetish yet

>>5179596
How to draw or how to render? He has more than one book

>>5179512
Oh man, what did you do to get banned?

>>5179464
Nice. Some tips you might want to try:
>less dark on top of trees, you might even want to not fully outline the branch and leave some "lost edges" to the background
>more darker bottom branches. Somewhat light bottom branches and somewhat dark upper branches leaves the form of the branches hard to follow.
>taller "spike" at the top and more branches covering the trunk of the tree, maybe one small downward pointing branch at the bottom to break the symmetry. Even if you are working from a reference it's sometimes better to change some things to make it more readable and "normal"
>add some background tone. Pure white signifies bursting light and just adding a quick flat tone to the background makes the drawing look more natural

>>5179611
Drew someone without labelling their pronouns

>>5179606
How to draw, sorry

I read the guide and i have one question. Do i just start off by copying from sight as much as i can or did i miss something? Also any good books about drawing?

Took a break from spaceships to break off my friendship with CSP and move to photoshop. This is a quick lobster and scorpion I drew for you from imagination.

wip

I posted the traditional sketch of this yesterday and I just transferred it over to digital. This is still just the sketch just basic colours, is there anything that stands out as something I should fix before I line it?

>>5179710
Crease goes too far up the soulder on the right side. Makes the shoulder look odd. Great work otherwise.

>>5179695
nice debian logo bro
you drew this in GIMP, right?

>>5179716
>>5179710
Yeah after looking at it on here, the shoulders did look a bit weird. I also made the legs a bit longer

>>5179719
Nah krita, also had to google what Debian was

>>5179744
Much better

>>5179168
I want to pet that cat

rate my first work ever
advice?

I just wanted to draw something cool

AAAAAA i'm literally going insane how the fuck do you make the pen fade in-out in clip studio

>>5179901
looks pretty cool to me, anon :)

>>5179668
Study some basics about construction and shading first, drawing from life or copying pictures is cool but doesn't teach you shit if you don't try to figure out how it works too.

How bad is it? Give it to me straight

>>5179909
What book is that

>>5179913
It’s pure symbol drawing, which basically means you’re in baby-booboo kindergarten when it comes to drawing. I recommend Bert Dodson’s „Keys to Drawing” as a start.

>>5179931
thanks, gonna start there

>>5179423
>>5179462
>>5179469
>>5179512
>>5179531
You again.
>Reminder to do/ic/ks:
Hide schizo posts, sage and hide schizo threads.
>Reminder to schizo:
Take your pills and get the fuck out.

5 weeks ago when i started drawing i was unironically proud of left picture.. right is today
obviously aware i still have a long way to go, working through loomis atm, someday i want to draw full-time and still be able to eat.

anyways thanks /ic/, you're an invaluable resource

>>5179956
the chad 5 week gmi vs the virgin 5 month schizo

>>5179956
You're already better than the 5 month schizo

>>5179956
You are already better than 5 month schizo, congrats anon!

>>5179744
The sleeve where her arm is pointing up looks wrong

>>5179958
>>5179960
>>5179962
Wait for the schizo to seethe and screech

>>5179965
I will eagerly check the thread in a few hours

>>5179958
>>5179960
>>5179962
>>5179963
>>5179965

i think I've seen that guy around here, is he actually a real person?

he could definitely make it if he took people's advice

>>5179913
I'd say something, but turns out I can't do any better.
go read what the other guy said I guess

>>5179459
Thanks! Looks like I shifted lower part mass from left/ass to right/thigh. Always have this issue. (This is old pic, sorry for chibi style).

on one hand, i'd like feedback for my work...

...but on the other, i have no respect for other people and their opinions

>>5180155
on one hand, you're a faggot...

...but on the other, oh yeah you're a faggot there too

>>5179978
He didn't know
>5 months schizo is *possibly* a mod of this place.

>>5180164
I've had my posts mocking him with his avatar removed. He probably is a mod.

>>5180167
The amount of screeching that retard gets away with is obscene, he’s definitely a mod or a janny of some sort. Try it yourself, see how quick you get banned

listen a book nigga!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AKsLpxZTU

>>5179459
based!

>>5179462
>>5179504
reminder that what really matters is the amount of hours that you put in.

i want to draw a comic strip about a guy who lives in his mom's basement. i need some help with the plot and the art style.

I have a stupid question that's been eating me inside for a while now

Regarding machine and infrastructure artwork, utilizing someone else's work as a on-canvas reference for more accurate perspective, depth and proportions, is it acceptable or a big no-no ?

I draw from imagination and very rarely use references as I try to come up with my own designs, but I struggle to lay it down on paper properly.

>>5180214
Everyone traces backgrounds and props evey once in a while, only deviantart shitters and crabs claim using any sort of reference at all is bad.
You should still learn to do that stuff on your own, but no one really cares until you actually make it.

>>5179305
>>5179311
not an expert, but my observation is you've put too much contrast on the side of the skull that's not facing the camera, and that is throwing things off the most

but more generally, your values have too much contrast

there's a valley running through the eyebrow ridges that flows down to the nose. the way you've shaded it, you can't tell it exists. your intuition to make that side darker is not entirely wrong, but it does not match the lighting in the reference and it does not give us the valley we want.

line art, very generally speaking, should be on boundaries where the form dramatically changes. and there's not enough change to warrant the line. you might say, "oh, i was drawing the seam, to show texture" and to that i would say your line needs to be lighter and thinner.

it's very difficult to get those gradients/values right, but it can be done with a lot of pushing and pulling on things

i painted over the left side of your drawing to demonstrate how things might be improved

these thread OP images are starting to make me feel bad about my art. stop posting high-tier /beg/ and post shitty blooks again ;-;

>>5179549
beglet here, what is the point of those muscle textures, if they are flat and don't behave like real muscles?

>>5180404
learn figure drawing you'll understand why

>>5180404
Muscle positions dictate where and how to put shading on characters to create volume, you need to know where a few of them are if you want to make believable figures.

>>5180404
They’re there as guidelines for when you add stripes to the compatible ridge so your drawings remain properly streamlined. X over Y is the 4th power when trying to find the compatible ridge. Watch Erik Olson’s perspective course to understand. It’s about 3/4 through and you need to watch the preceding videos

>>5180021

kek, thanks for the advice

>>5179168
I want to start reading some books on drawing. I'm wondering if it is better to read as i draw or read then draw and go back to the reading if i need to.

>>5180432
kek @ filename
who is the artist pls?

>>5180214
No rules, just tools.

>>5179572
>what's making this spaceship look like shit?
beg here, I think the lack of bevels and other stuff to indicate thickness is one reason.

>>5179572
Learn to measure and equally divide in perspective. Can make you a trick tip if you don’t already know how

>>5179919
not him, I think it is keys of drawing, don't quote me on that tho.

>>5180475
>it is keys of drawing

>>5180475
>”not him, I think it is keys of drawing, don't quote me on that tho.”

I think I've decided that spaceships are too hard for now. Might stick with organic forms until I finish Robertson's book.

>>5180472
I might be misunderstanding this. Are you saying you have a tip to share? If so I'll certainly take it!

>>5180478
>>5180480
wrong book?

Can i get some opinion/advice on this lineart?
I will erase later the parallel lines filling blank spaces

>>5180489
>>5179572
what you currently have can and should be finished
there's nothing so bad that it would make it a waste of time to
it will help you mature and grow to finish things to their end

>>5180493
I think a little more variation on the outlines would help take it to the next level. I'm sure you're familiar, but in case not, heavier weight at intersections and in areas of shadow are the big ones. Don't push it too far though since it could detract from the stylization.

>>5179919
I meant to say "figure drawing design and invention" for some reason I mixed the two.

>>5180498
Thanks anon, you've given me the kick in my ass I needed. I'll finish it. I fucked up the cockpit orientation and engine ellipse direction, so I'll start on those.

>>5180499
Thanks a lot anon, appreciate it lots
I’ve heard that before but still kinda hard practicing it, i’ll still try it out tho

>>5180452
André Chéret

What do you think?

>>5180544
I'd say it depends on what your goals are. Irrespective of style preferences, your first course of action should be to fix the eyes, since there are some serious symmetry issues. Regardless, the fact that you're even drawing puts you ahead of the pack. Keep it up!

>>5179423
Not pushing values far enough. Everything is too light and close in tone.
You're getting the shadow shapes in decently in the face. Need to start actually differentiating those values more.

What do you guys think?
I often tunnel vision and end up not being able to see major flaws so...
Anything wrong with the proportions? Or anything else.

>>5180582
Forgot to resize.

>>5180582
Distance from breasts to shoulders should be much shorter than distance from breasts to hips. Shorten it more.

>>5180582
It looks pretty good. I don't know what kind of style you're trying to achieve, but you may try varying the line weight. You might try drawing some lines thicker (the outer lines) and leave other lines lighter or even unfinished (like the jawline); otherwise it looks as if you were tracing. Keep it up, anon-kun

>>5180589
Nice catch. Completely blind to it.

>>5180593
It feels like every other drawing I do is in a completely different style so I have no idea.
I guess the goal would be Takehiko Inoue/Takato Yamamoto.
Good shout about the line weight, didn't think about that at all.
This was just a sketch that ended up looking like Tifa so I went all the way. No tracing.

>>5180544
Not bad. You're already a few steps ahead of me cause i cant even draw facial features yet.

>>5180582
>>5180585
Something about the way the pinky is proportioned looks off to me. Unless the pinky is supposed to be missing its tip, it could stand to be a little longer. And maybe the ring finger could benefit from being a touch shorter, but that could be an intentional trait.

>>5180548
Thanks for the input. I'll keep grinding fundies for now.
>>5180608
I don't know anything about digital so I can't say. What helps me is to map the eyeline and the middle of the face for the jav and nose and erase them until they are just just barely visible.

>>5180608
one eye is pointing up and the other down, at least your head has the right mapping

>>5180628
The intention was to make the pinky look like it was stretching away from us so foreshortening. But I just tried doing it myself and it's not quite possible at that angle so you're right.

>>5180650
Yeah, I tried doing it myself before I replied as well but the effect was nominal. Your sketch is looking great, though. Keep at it.

>>5179168
Thoughts? I feel the fur texture is super weak. Also, should i add more white on the background to make it pop more?

>>5180608
But you are in a better shape for improvement because besides the anime proportion (which are perfectly fine if you wanna draw that) everything is in the right place
You have a solid base and need to work on details while >>5180544 is kinda doing everything the opposite way

The best way to judge progress is 30-60 minute sketches with only a ballpoint pen. Prove me wrong.

>>5180679
You should probably darken your fur a little. Keep in mind values are relative, if the dog is supposed to be light value, you should darken the background

>>5179545
any feedback for this?

>>5180705
It's a good way to force yourself to accept mistakes and move on, practice good draftsmanship, or really commit to gesture drawings. I don't know what it has to do with progress, but you do you. If it helps you, go for it.

By the way, you need to start crosshatching along with the forms, not on a flat plane. Is a human face flat like paper, or is it a 3d form?

>>5180708
The dog is a grayish value (salt and pepper) but i think it's darker than lighter so I'll try to pump up the tones
It's the first time I'm using a toned paper and im kinda lost

>>5179545
Your values are blown out. Your edges are messy and unclean. You need to start thinking of shadows as hard shadows when you lay them in, and then blend out what is supposed to be soft later. Eye reflection is in the wrong spot, look at anatomy of an eye, there is a particular spot over the iris, the lens, that sticks out from the rest of the eye and catches reflection.

Shoulders are too narrow, think of proportions. Ribcage seems long or not thought out. Pose is awkward, try doing it yourself and compare it.

Fellas, I apologize for asking, but I'm complete clueless beginner, I wanna learn to draw coom material and other things on the side, but I have no frame of references or no understanding and where I should begin, should I be consulting the /ic/ sticky regardless or is there a particular way if I wanna draw like Doxy or Waterproof Pigeon for example? I'm just kinda lost and need instruction if possible so I can know where to start. Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask.

>>5180730
Read the sticky.

>>5180735
Gotcha, I'll get back to that, then. Thank you, Anon.

>>5180724
Okay, I see. The tone of your paper is close to the grass in the background, or the undercoat of the dogs fur. Seeing your reference is helpful. You should definitely darken the body of the dog. Usually you want to leave white for later, saving those spaces in the paper until after you have your dark values finished.

>>5180739
Got it, thanks anon. Will report later

>>5180699
I'll keep working on it then!
Something that people have always been telling me is that i don't draw 'big enough, so i've been playing with the measurements. I think ill put that off to the side for now.

I started drawing and posting fetish art in October 2020, and since then I've accumulated 470 followers and made about $1100 in commissions, which is nothing special, but a lot better than I expected. I genuinely have no idea why people would pay for my art, or want to follow it, and I still feel like a picture coming together is more luck than any skill on my behalf. Do these feelings go away with time?

>>5180796
What are you drawing?

>>5180796
They'll go away with time. Congratulations on your success thus far. Keep it up!

>>5180155
Pure ngmi energy

Am I going to get decent by just following NMA courses and applying what they teach, or should I add some other resources as well?

Are the shadow lines supposed to follow the form like my drawing on the left or am I supposed to block out the shadow shape and put uniform lines in it like the drawing on the right?

I feel like the one on the right looks better. Everytime I draw to put in the shadow using cross contouring lines it just looks like ugly stripes and not a shadow

>>5180799
I draw people interacting with balloons and other inflatable objects
>>5180806
Thank you, thats nice to know.

Just got me a Wacom One and I don't know how to start. I haven't drawn anything in a while and I wanted to get back to it (I also never drew anything digital). I guess I'll download the Loomis books

>>5180884
>Just got me a Wacom One
I'm sorry for your loss

What made construction click for you anons? I've tried a lot of Vilppu, Loomis, and numerous other things in the MEGA and on Youtube but it never clicks. Please help me

>>5180796
The feelings come and go. It's best to keep your insecurities on the blogs at bay too. Just be thankful you have support because it's an important thing to have to keep drawing

>>5180902
Is it really bad? It costed me just 300 bucks (=55 usd)

decided to learn to draw bones. is this a waste of time?

>>5180909
How do I draw like this? Pure fucking soul.

>>5180924
Depends on how many skeletons you plan to feature in your work.

>>5180877
try making the shadows follow the muscle

>>5180909
>download blender
>learn the basics of 3D navigation (how to change views with the numpad, zoom, rotate, and pan with the mouse, etc)
>learn the basics of 3D transformation (translate, rotate, scale and their hotkeys)
>learn how to add the 3D primitives to the scene (Shift+A -> Mesh -> click primitive)
>total time: 2-3 hours
ok now for the fun part
>build a snowman
>build a robot
>build a castle
>build more complex things
none of the geometry has to actually connect! it's all floating!
pic related

now do this for a few days
finally, sit down to a piece of paper
visualize a subject
what's the largest primitive you can think of (e.g. sphere for the head, cube for the body, cylinder for the legs and arms)
think about what it's orientation needs to be (which direction it's rotated), its scale, its position on the page
if you can't get past this point, launch up blender
add a sphere and use it for reference

i really don't know how else to help someone with this topic, lol
this is basically all there is to it
the next challenge?
learning new "primitives"
like, learn to internalize the shape (outline) and volume of, for example, an almond
is there anything with that shape? (human eyes maybe?)

What body parts cause your drawings to fall apart? I feel most comfortable with the butt and torso area, and then less comfortable with the head and upper legs but still okay, and then a lot less comfortable with lower legs and arms, and then feet and hands cause me to shit the bed

>>5180973
labia

>>5180912
Thats the one thing I think I do right, thankfully. My blog is just my art, no personal posts, no retweets of other shit, Ive seen plenty of artists who have constant vent posts and its awful having to scroll through a ton of nonsense to find their art.

>>5180977
I usually just draw it like drapery

>>5180198
Used to do 4 hours a day now I dont know, I dont count them, I measure time with music
>>5180558
Thanks yes, I was starting the shadow stage by applying flat tone, I was supposed to darken the core shadow and blend it into the light area but I wasnt able to
>>5179611
i WAS being myself HAHAH
original ban was two weeks but since i wasnt giving them the pleasure i made sure to annoy them until they made it permament
>>5179539
Thanks then I'll use that
how can I speed up progress though?

>>5180719
i think that it is the best way to judge progress not make it. I'll keep it in mind to cross hatch lines according to form. I didn't know when I first started drawing it how I was going to show depth. I drew it quickly on a zoom call.

>>5180973
How long have you been drawing?
What are you using?

I'm struggling to come up with any poses,

Every time I try to do it from my mind I get stuck and do nothing for hours or get stuck with one and repeat it so much that I get obsessed and can't just move on to the actual drawing itself

Any advice how to get through this or does someone else have this experience?

>>5180991
About a bit over year or so. I’ve doodled shitty little things for a long time, but actual serious study for like a year. I’m using an iPad

>>5180999
A year or so? So I have 6 technically 7 months to catch up I see
Do Do you think I can? How? what resources are you using? BOOKS courses and such?

>>5180997
it's really hard for the brain to imagine things
look at poses online for inspiration
buy a tiny mannequin or action figure and pose it
no money? see if you have some wire around the house (soldering wire would be easy to form -- paper clips much less so but doable with pliers) and create one
there's also free 3D software and models that are already rigged and can be posed
lastly, set up a timer on a camera and pose for it
you've got to learn some problem solving skills, my brother
good luck

>>5181002
is that harrison ford from bladerunner?
if so, you have that to be proud of
just don't give up

Is it bad to start learning drawing in digital? Also any tips pls?

>>5181007
oh, and if you don't have a timer or can't figure out how to set it up, just record a video and pause it on the frame you like
if you practice, you could record a whole bunch of poses in just a few minutes of video

>>5181002
Sure, I don’t see why not. I feel like NMA has helped me the most out of anything I’ve tried. Particularly Vilppu and Sheldon Borenstein’s videos. Sheldon is mostly who taught me though. The way he teaches causes a lot of things to click for me. For example, I didn’t realize that drawing is supposed to feel like dancing. The movements of your arm should feel pretty as you do it, like you’re ice skating on the paper. Makes the lines look nice and helped me get rid of that stiff robotic look that all my drawings had

>>5179572
are those exhaust things meant to be cylinders?

>>5180882
>Baloons and other inflatable objects
That may sound strange, but i think people could get better at drawing by doing this kind of shape manupulation.

>>5181011
Not really it’s harder though. I got tips but pyw

>>5180973
arms don't understand when I do gesture of it and end up symbol drawing, its literally too simple to the point I cant make a defining gesture of it

>>5180882
>I draw people interacting with balloons and other inflatable objects
how did you find this niche?

>>5181011
you'll only practice when at a computer, but otherwise no
put some sketchpads in your backpack, automobile (if you have one), around the house, whatever
pencils and paper are pretty inexpensive

>>5180679
>>5180724
Is this getting any better?

>>5179572
bad design, if its not backwards then even worse deisgn, but i dont even think lambos look good from that angle

>>5181032
This tree is my work. It’s my first digital drawng, previously I made some sketches and geometric forms in paper

>>5181041
It’s a fetish

>>5181041
its my fetish lol
theres very few artists who draw this kind of stuff, and even fewer of those draw humans

>>5181023
I'd be inclined to agree. I've definitely improved a lot since I started doing this.

>>5181008
Well thanks
>>5181020
Vilppu? Yikes but ok, if it works for you
I'll look into this Sheldon

>>5180973
>What body parts cause your drawings to fall apart
the face, it is the part that I care the most in a figure so if there is one mistake it spoil the whole drawing.
nice but tho.

>>5181019
Would you recommend just draw a bunch from reference before going in doing it from the imagination? I've been doing that recently, but I feel like I'm going to become way too dependent on them that it can also explain why I struggle to draw from my mind. (Even though I know pretty much every artist uses reference and is always recommended).

I just need to get out of this mindset but don't know how

I'm still definitely going to be trying your suggestions though, especially the timer idea I think that would really help. Thanks Anon

>>5180997
in creative drawing there is some interesting ways to come up with composition, I normally use them to make a bunch of thumbnails until something clicks.

>>5181071
>I just need to get out of this mindset but don't know how
yeah, you're overthinking things
you've got the "not invented here" mindset
like, i understand you want to be creative and inventive, and when you use reference it robs you off that feeling, but this is the dirty truth to art, man
it's rarely done completely in a vacuum
i don't think you will become dependent
draw from reference, embrace it
occasionally try to draw from imagination
ask why it failed and use that to improve
there's no way this doesn't work out for you if you just fix your thinking
you're not being fair to your progress when you take an "all or nothing" approach, my man

>>5180997
Are you practicing or trying to make a finished piece of art? If you're just practicing you can use sports/dance/people doing whatever videos for inspiration. Don't pause it though, just draw a quick gesture and use that as the basis.

Superbeg here, It's not been a long while since I've seriously started doing the drawing on the daily and pretty much the 1st time I post on /ic/, I'm sorry if I'm going to ask something that's been answered 1000 times before.

Drawing I and II is me trying to copy a reference without making any change. Drawing III is me giving a shot at a simple pose out of my mind.
As it's probably apparent, I'm bad at building up the boxy skeleton of a character out of my mind/figure drawing, expecially if the limbs are moving backwards or towards the camera.

And while I'm reading "prospective made easy" on the side, I find it really hard to apply the whole "draw a railway going in the distance" with the human figure.
I understand that once you can draw a box tilted backwards you can then draw an arm inside that box, but it matters little if the box is the wrong lenght/size. (wich I think it shows, for example, in the arms and legs lenght of the III drawing, being too stubby).
>Am I begging/asking stuff too quickly and should I just stick to drawing more shape skeletons and boxes?

Bonus: Beside the obvious "Hands/feet" (wich I haven't take time to study yet, so it makes sense I'm bad at it.) any immediate problems i should fix before getitng bad habits?
I couldn't fit the references but filename.

inb4: "the bad habit is drawing anime".

>>5181109
>filmmaker makes reference to thing and we nod at the homage
>He's so creative!

>uses a reference to improve a drawing
>I'm a worthless hack.

We are cruel to ourselves, aren't we?

>>5181128
god I fucking wish I had the confidence to finish something like that. also your arm should have some defining form. your arm currently just looks like a cylinder

>>5181128
Did you draw the coloured versions too, or just the mannequins?

>>5181128
I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you struggling with foreshortening and want to know how to get better, and if it's possible?

First, yes, it's possible. Of course it is.

Second, I would draw a cube, and the face closest to the camera should be drawn first. Next, draw the back face and try to position it around the shoulder. Use the size of the shoulder to determine the size of this face.

The amount of foreshortening is a function of length of the arm and the position of the camera -- something like that. Don't quote me.

What this means is that the size of the face closest to the camera will determine it's length. The bigger the face, the closer it is to the camera, which means the body/shoulder/backface is further in the distance.

In other words, the bigger the hand, the longer the viewer will perceive the arm to be.

>>5179887
needs more EDGE

>>5181049

Yeah, I think you just need to keep building more texture in those mid areas, it just looks unfinished

Why do I lack appeal compared to everyone else in this picture and how do I reach them skill-wise? Mine are the ones signed 404metaknight

>>5181189
It all looks like it was done by one artist, so I'd say you're already there. Maybe work on your confidence?

You may even be further ahead, but the image is confusing to understand as far as attribution goes.

can someone give me a few pointers on how to fix this? its a small portrait sketch of a friend. its a small gift so i want to make this right.
I know the mouth is kinda crooked. but i know theres a lot more to tweak.
its going to be digitized so its a rough sketch still.

>>5181213
Sorry im retarded.

I have been trying to draw accurately proportioned figures for so long now and they're ALWAYS FUCKING WRONG EVEN WHEN I TRY MY ABSOLUTE HARDEST TO FIX PREVIOUS MISTAKES. This is BULLSHIT. I am so fucking disheartened tonight what is the fucking point.

How fucked am I? Be honest please

>>5181218
the ear is lower than an ear would typically be, but not having seen her i really can't tell what's right and wrong

>>5181225
>>5181218
the single biggest thing that helped me understand drawing heads better, was understanding the planes of the face. The loomis head never worked out for me, but studying the specific planes of the head and the natural rhythms of the face helped me a lot. Shading is also a massive help when it comes to communicating the form of the face.

I highly recommend marco bucci's series of videos on planes of the head, as well as the asaro head model: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/asaro-head-9d26548182f8465a8e97371a9170561e

picrel is a study I did a few months ago trying to apply this knowledge. Im not claiming my picture to be any good, but it definitely helped me with my portraits a lot more.

>>5181170
Some is the camera+resizing fault but ill see what i can do without making the mids too dark

>>5181223
Same anon, I find proportions I want incredibly difficult to understand why they end up not being what I was going for. Just posting old art, I know her arm is long

>>5181243
how is her arm long?

>>5181140
>your arm currently just looks like a cylinder
Mh, noted.

>>5181149
I did color them aswell, yes. Altough I sampled the colors from the references.

>>5181155
>the bigger the hand, the longer the viewer will perceive the arm to be.
Yes, I'm having problems with that. Is there resources that go in depth with that?
Like, One thing is to draw a box in prospective or something "geometrical". But something that's not a geometric shape, I can't do it.
Is just a matter of "more boxes" practice?

>>5181251
I think from the shoulder to the elbow should go down to match the bottom of the rib cage, so if her arm were against the body it would be kinda long, I think both arms are messed up actually now that I look at it again. My constructing is very bad and I think this is what’s causing my problems

>>5181259
>Is just a matter of "more boxes" practice?
yeah, or just build a better intuition, which is much harder to do

>>5181223
>>5181243
Same. I know all needed proportions and it's simple "divide by two one more time" but can't stay on them when drawing. Using ruler and stickman is only option.

>>5181189
think about what you find appealing and why.

tis wednesday my begs

>>5181262
The elbow hits at the belly button not the bottom of the ribcage

>>5181508
That sounds wrong

Is there a point in completely rendering a study if you're just trying to build your visual library?

Just drew something all over the place to practice rendering. I've since ditched Photoshop so this felt kinda pointless.

>>5181508
>>5181521

>>5181550
Thats not hitting the belly button, also it's funny the loomis book calls that ideal when it looks like a destroyed transvestite body

>>5181564
>Thats not hitting the belly button
yeah it is a little above.
>destroyed transvestite body
it was different times anon.

>>5181550
>"IDEAL PROPORTIONS"
this is simply opinion. I think the girl in the pic is a long-armed freak. Loomis is a hack.

how how how how how how how

>>5181587
>long-armed freak
her arm length is average tho

>>5181627
Dude what

>>5181627
Just don't post if you dont want to put in effort drawing. This board is meant for adults but you put in less effort than a 2 year old

Uhhh

>>5181674
draw the forms. middle one is the best. centre of the hand is a box and the fingers are series of cylinders. Dont draw nails with lines.

hand studies

>>5181685
Like this?

>>5181703
i have no idea what youre doing with the tops of the fingers here. the typical way i like to draw hands is the "box" of the hand, then adding the meat of the thumb, then adding the gesture of the fingers and drawing them in.

>>5181714
I was closing the fingers but not all the way
i'm drawing my own hand

>>5181691
how do u do this

>>5181718
the marks on the palm imply the hand is being closed, but the tops of the fingers are moving away from the camera, so it feels like the fingers are broken at their joints. im /beg/ but pic related is how id draw a pose like this. its nothing special but im trying to capture the most important parts of the hand - the major forms of the palm, the meat around the humb and fingers, and the cylindrical forms of the fingers as they curve up and backwards from the viewer.

Head study

Pls redline & critique :)

>>5181733
> :)
Why so passive aggressive

>>5181731
Alright Thanks

>>5181719
unironically just draw

it doesn't work

>>5181469
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAHHHGGG

>>5180973
the arms, the contours are so specific and asymmetrical and the shapes change so much with the bend of the arm. The brachioradialis muscle especially screws with me. Besides I find it incredibly awkward to draw horizontally, so if the arm is straight from the elbow it's even harder.

>>5181741
Sorry....

>>5180997
I struggle with the same, I try to grind some ribcage + pelvis alterations daily right now to overcome this. It's to objects to start with and it's much easier than inventing a whole pose.

>>5181011
it's so individual. For me personally I draw much more with pen and paper and it's so much easier to pick up on a whim. I like just putting away all my drawings to the side and saving it for future reference. I like the friction on the paper and I like the each which I can just simply switch to another pen. Drawing is mostly in the mind and your mind-muscle connections though, so it translates well across medium. choose the one that makes you the most exited to draw.

>>5179549
Got it in english doc?

>>5179549
...if only you could PAUSE

>>5180882
You're my aspiration lol, one my main motivations for getting good at drawing is so I can draw stuff for my fetish

>>5179549
>Muscle version
Nice, that seems very helpful

>>5181877
1 nipple point downwards, other pointing upwards, bellybutton too low, and pelvis too low/disointed

>>5181886
Good eye anon!

>>5179423
schizoanon the bottom left looks really good in terms of blocking out shadows and the line work isnt terrible either

>>5181886
redline motherfucker

>>5181049
Yes! Keep darkening that fur up, fur is a bitch but it will look good when you're done

>>5179904
Adjust the pressure curve of your tablet.

>>5181893
Why are you asking someone to redline my work?

>>5181564
>Thats not hitting the belly button
Okay so its barely right above it. It definitely doesn't hit the fucking ribcage. Do your elbows rest at your ribcage? If so there is something wrong with you.

>Loomis ideal body looks like a tranny
Yeah well, in his time that was the beauty standard. With loomis you have to just learn proportions and apply them to a regular 7.5 heads tall person.

>>5179904
Use a pressure sensitive pen
Turn off windows ink
Change clip studio to wintab
Update your tablet drivers
Windows update
I dont know just keep trying shit

>>5179462
God damn it, anon, again?

>>5181904
Anon?

>>5181899
because he's needlessly nitpicky and if you raised that bellybutton it wouldn't make the slightest difference.

>>5181899
because i want you to be my girlfriend

>>5181550
>nude anatomy illustration
>ladys wearing fucking heels
i dont know why this is so funny to me

>>5181893
>>5181917
shut the fuck up beglet, learn your place

>>5181927
good eye, can i be your disciple?

>>5181917
I think being picky with critique is fine because there’s always room for improvement and I do get tunnel vision and/or I just don’t know any better, plus I haven’t taken a break since I started this today either yet. Redlines are good, just Little odd when someone else asks for it

Hey, /ic/. First time here, feel free to point out if I'm doing anything wrong.

I'd just like to ask for basic critique on this unfinished piece of a cat/centaur creature (the linework is rough, not final.) Anatomy-wise, how is it? Are there any glaring issues with it? Recommendations for improving it or cleaning it up? Thank you.

>>5181927
oof, yeah, I'll be very skeptical before taking advice here ever again. You're probably not even the first guy, probably some guy just taking the piss

>>5181940
go pretend elsewhere you faglord beg

>>5181939
The body is not big enough to support the human half. Look at how people do centaur anatomy, look at how big they have to scale it up to properly connect to a human spine and support the weight.

>>5181946
>look at how big you* have to scale it up to properly connect to a human spine and support the weight.

Whoops sorry about that typo

>>5181944
you really think your drawing looks better than the original?

>>5181936
yeah ok, understandable. biggest issue I ,see with this is her lock, which is either flinging in the air or floating in space. also she has no neck, but that may be an anime thing idk

>>5181950
>you really think your drawing looks better than the original?
you got btfo we get it
youre the retard complaining about trivial nitpicky shit like her lock, kys faggot.

>>5181849
just increase the time limit anon

>>5181225
Breathtaking

>>5181946
>>5181948
Good point, thanks for the advice.

>>5181956
sure, my bad

>>5181764

Draw bigger, bigger is easier.

>>5179611
Its that guy... yeah he got banned for being verbally abusive and dismissive to every single person that gave him good advice and tried to help him. He milked it for pity party points for a few days and I guess they got sick of it and banned him.

is it worthwhile / a waste of time to do traces like this? any pointers?

>>5182004
>any pointers?
Try learning anatomy and tracing the bones and muscles over it. It will be much more helpful than the mannequin you're trying to do.

>>5182004
>79611
yes it's a waste, draw the same thing without tracing. tracing does almost nothing for learning.

>>5182017
seconding this, if you trace actual bones/muscles it would be different.

>>5182024
bet even then it's probably much better to just draw from reference instead of tracing. my point is; tracing is never better than actually drawing from reference. Tracing is at best only useful if your doing lazy commissions, but never for actual drawing or illustration.

why is it so hard to start a figure?
when I get into it and have some marks down it's easier but starting a drawing feels extremely difficult for some reason

>>5182031
I think you misunderstand. When learning anatomy, it is acceptable to test yourself by placing the muscles on a photo. You learn more this way than just always drawing it by hand and possibly reinforcing bad habits or bad understandings of anatomy. When you draw bone muscle and fat deposits over a photo, it is like solving a puzzle. It tests your knowledge, shows you where your knowledge is lacking, and reinforces proper proportion, placement, and distortion of muscles.

I studied anatomy the way you are suggesting for a very long time. It was not until I started drawing on top of photos and sculpting ecorches out of clay, that I realized all I was doing was stubbornly fucking myself over.

>>5182034
Just do lots of gesture. Do it in class mode. What you do for a 30 second or 1 minute gesture is the same thing you do for 3 minute, 5 minute, 30 minute drawings. Always throw down a gesture drawing first when figure drawing. You can work out the kinks afterwards

These past couple of weeks I've been sitting down and drawing literally all day (I'm a NEET), I've also been reading tons of books and watching a bunch of courses. I have absolutely no experience whatsoever, we're talking newborn baby levels of skill as you can see, at this current pace will I ever git gud?

Pyw

>>5182044
booba :)

>>5181936
do you have a deviantart? i like your grill

>>5182041
I'm not going to argue with one anon's results, but I strongly disagree. If yo are really unconfident with proportions then maybe I can see this approach being useful, but even then , carefully measured gesture drawing is probably even better. But I like to follow art like I do /fit/ gains, if you are showing noticeable gains, don't change a thing, you're doing great.

My qualm is that I think following a more intuitive approach to the figure is much better, like villpu or hampton does. If you find tracing to be helpful, then by all means..

>>5182052
Here's the reference, I don't think this counts as off-topic

>>5182044
It's still pretty early to say, but my advice would be to give up on trying to draw the silhouette, and work towards having some breakthroughs in studying gesture and construction.

>>5182060
GOTT DAYUM HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA
AWOOOOOOOOOOOGA
I'M C-C-CUMMMING AHHHHHHHHHHH HOT DOGA WHOOPS!

>>5182044
Switch to larger mech around .7mm, and study the three parts of the torso:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viHzW0u0jDM

>>5182054
No I use twitter and pixiv

>>5182064
>>5182074
Thanks for the tips

How do I escape /beg/?

>>5182085
You can't.

>>5182085
loomis and fundies

>>5182085
find something you're doing wrong, practice it until it's less wrong, find something else, rinse repeat.

>>5182076
do you mind posting them here? would like to see a finished version of that

>>5181982
it still doesn't work

>>5182125
Sure, just @Katsunei on twit

>>5182128
the hand is a figure in and of itself, it has gesture, form and proportions. there is no reason why your shouldn't do timed hand drawings like you would do timed figure drawings

>>5181939
like your lower half is nice. your human anatomy needs a lotta work. the proportions are out of wack. both torsos are too thin

>>5180882
>4 months
please tell me this isn't your artwork

>>5182133
okay thanks i'm gonna use this site
https://quickposes.com/

>>5182155
I think my seethe senses are tingling. I-I-Is that 5 months anon one reply away from sperging?

Some unfinished figure drawings, shading made it so that I can't continue past this point
>>5182170
That's not me

>>5181891
Thanks but I can't continue past that point
>>5181911
What?

>>5181236
Could you really sniff out from this picture that I'm trying the loomis method?
Thank you very much for the advice, I'll take a look! Also I think your pic is good and you're either very well on your way to leaving /beg/ or you're out, at least with heads.

>>5181969

>>5182198
SIX MONTHS!!!

>>5182233
What?

>>5182251
You're not 5 month anon? Damn I thought he did gesture drawings too

>>5181733
the nose look way to short to me

What to improve?

>>5182557


new thread:

>>5182556

>>5182556

>>5182556

>>5182085
this >>5182090

>>5182556
new thread
>>5182556
new thread
>>5182556

>>5182034
I almost always start with the head and spine, and build it from there. Or I choose a body part that sticks out the most, and reference other parts based off that. It all depends on the angle.
I found michael hampton's youtube and he has some cool example videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q93lxtoVLJw&t=245s

>>5182044
this is me >>5182034
so take my advise with a grain of salt

dont do what I did and watch like 30 video courses on gesture and not even draw
I started to try to draw in 2019 but all I really did was study and I barely drew
you can see how well that worked out for me...
the fact that the MEGAs are down was kind of a blessing because now I am forced to rely on only two books for gesture (that whole year I studied have me the ability to spot meme instruction books and books that are worth reading; one of them being Drawings from the Old Masters)
with books, you are less likely to binge on them and so you'll just draw with whatever time you spend not reading the books
at least that's what I think you should do
dont make the same mistake I did
prioritize drawing over learning and you'll save yourself frustration and time

>>5182291
No, I am him but
Why are you mocking me?