/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>5100156
agreed.
so often whne looking for refs i have to wade through masses of shit poses that look like interpretive dance moves to find something that a human being would do anywhere in real life

softcore porn models do a lot of standing

>>5100156
>>5100777

Thank me later

>>5100785
http://oh-hi.info/

>>5100156
>waa waa im a brainlet and cant apply what im taught without being spoonfed

>>5100787
Any way to filter out blacks from this?

>>5100806
Why does the skin color matter when you're studying poses?

>>5100806
How about just don't draw them big baby

>>5100156
just trace from a fucking photo, learning gesture is just a meme

>>5100156
>there's barely any focus on neutral poses.
>>5100777
>wade through masses of shit poses that look like interpretive dance

>they don't like contortionists and spastic hands where the fingers are in painful, or if drawn, impossible poses

Conversely I really hate the one "neutral" pose everyone does offer. The head-on and side-on. It's really hard to make look right when starting out.

>>5100156
Well first of all, there are only so many ways you can "pose neutrally" versus how many ways the body can contort or pause mid-action, so it makes sense that that wouldn't be the main focus. How many neutral poses do you need to draw before you know how to draw a neutral pose?

Secondly, gesture isn't taught using neutral poses because it isn't useful for that. If you can't draw a neutral pose with flowy gesture, then don't. Like Vilppu says, "Alter your approach according to the lay of the land," or something like that.

Also, is your image supposed to be an example of "neutral" or "weird"? Because they seem both easy to find and quite natural.

https://youtu.be/xmiwGm32dXU?t=74
lmfao even sycra can do it

>>5100808
Eyestrain

>>5100787
>http://oh-hi.info/
God these "people" are disgusting.

>>5100787
where is this? why nobody is using masks?

>>5101043
>he fell for the mask meme

>>5101021
Australians?

>>5101043
Brisbane

>>5100156
Sounds like you don’t draw from life if this is a “problem” for you.

Enroll in a life drawing class and sketch people going for coffee, leaning over to pick stuff up, walking around, kids playing in parks etc.

Quit relying on photo references and draw shit from real life nubcake.

And here I am looking for extreme pose demos like laying down etc.
All of the demos available are always standing pose

>>5100156
>This is worse in men where they'll look like fags if you draw them with gesture.
>not taking the jojopill

>>5100806
Based.

>>5100808
Subhuman proportations

>>5100806
Holy based. Fuck niggers and trannies.

>>5101090
>>5101097
Yeah that's definitely the CBD

>>5101043
>why nobody is using masks
We got our coronavirus shit locked down man.

One of the states down south just had an outbreak so QLD's locked down its border. At the start of the outbreak people, and our government reacted and behaved responsibly so it's never really hit my state like it has elsewhere.

>>5101021
It's legit a pretty good representation of the varied groups of people that go to the Brisbane CBD.

If you want to see cuties you go walk around Sunnybank. Better food there too.

>>5102462
>Subhuman proportations
found the 5'4 skinnyfat manlet

>>5101464
Isn't that a bit creepy

>>5102462
subhuman spelling lmao

>>5100156
Sounds like you don't understand gesture at all and you're whining about it.

>>5105096
No, and if you think that then you are too self conscious and that's something to work on. One simpler approach, and this will train your memory too, is to catch a glimpse of people-at-work, like say two construction guys chatting or whatever, and try to memorize as much as you can. Go somewhere, pull out your sketchbook, and try to recreate the gesture and then pile on the details you remember about how rugged their clothes were, what objects or props they interacted with, or if they were leaning on something. This is one of the harder modes of figure drawing, but it pays off and you can have fun with it.

>>5105357
Show me how it's done then faggot

>>5100156
Beginners start out being far too stiff and awkward, and not very observant. They draw their preconceived ideas rather than what they actually see. Starting with strong, exaggerated, forceful poses helps them to break that habit and become loose, expressive, and observant. Then they can reign that in to be able to accurately see and portray the more subtle weight, balance, and character of understated poses, where they would have just glossed over them before. "Neutral" poses are anything but, a person can stand in a countless number of ways.
If you want to have a great understanding of gesture, the very FIRST people you should look to are animators and comic artists. They have the strongest understanding of gesture out of all artists as a rule because their whole job is to portray characters that look and feel alive, that stand and walk and talk and move and breathe like a person. It's not all just wild, exaggerated movement.

>>5100787
Holy shit this is a goldmine.
I googled it for context and apparently some whiny stick-up-the-ass types kept trying to get the guy to stop taking photos. There's a Change.org petition for it.
Also there's a reddit post, a bunch of stodgy cunts in the comments were shitting on it too.

God I love bridgman forms

>>5106963
picrel looks like crap

>>5101021
>http://oh-hi.info/
I am falling in love with every 5th of the female specimen ;_;

>>5100995
>Conversely I really hate the one "neutral" pose everyone does offer. The head-on and side-on. It's really hard to make look right when starting out.

There is nothing neutral about those anatomy diagrams with their rigid military stance. A neutral pose is the way someone stands on a bus stop or at home. And that is exactly the kind of pose that the "gesture" teachers are unable to produce with their gelatinous, exaggerated wobbles.

Incidentally things like Google and Pinterest also give you mostly fake model poses. It takes a bit of searching to find reference pictures of people in truly neutral positions. Most people will be in a natural pose only when they don't know they're being photographed.

>>5100156
>This is worse in men where they'll look like fags if you draw them with gesture
lmao you must be REAL confident in your sexuality if you think "men posing" is gay

>>5100787
>http://oh-hi.info/
I always thought it might be fun to visit Australia for the nature... and now I know for a fact that I don't want to go to the cities. Jesus Christ.

>>5109240
I am literally bisexual but go ahead and be a retarded faggot

>>5109367
and i'm actually a pansexual genderqueer otherkin, but you don't see me bragging about it, homophobe

>>5109383
>I bet you're real confident in your sexuality
>Yes
>NOOOOOOO YOU'RE BRAGGING ABOUT YOUR SEXUALITY

Fucking retard ngmi faggot beg go eat a chode, get the fuck out of this thread unless you have something relevant to say

>>5109238
>Incidentally things like Google and Pinterest also give you mostly fake model poses. It takes a bit of searching to find reference pictures of people in truly neutral positions. Most people will be in a natural pose only when they don't know they're being photographed.
Reminds me of looking up musician poses to get the little details right only to find it's 90% stock photos of models who have never seen someone hold an instrument before, let alone held one themselves.

>>5100156
Bro you have reference for "natural poses" literally every time you see someone who isn't posing
/if you need someone to pose in a way that isn't posing you're fucking retarded

Is drawing an armature a valid way to do gesture? Like from this book?
http://files.catbox.moe/qcka97.pdf

who was in the wrong here?

>>5106982
Fucking kek

>>5109727
the whole post went over your head

>>5106982
I remember reading about this and browsing the site years ago. glad he didn't back off and shut it down like 99.5% of people do these days in the face of whining professional victims

>>5109646
if you think that's bad, don't look up soldering iron stock photos

>>5111371
made me wince

>>5111371
Jesus Christ I'm feeling the imagined pain.

>>5111371
No vent hood, she’s going to inhale all that burnt flesh

>>5100156
Only if you try to learn how to do it with photos. Everyone in every figure drawing class was able to work with whatever poses the model did.

>>5100787
Why is everyone dressed like a retard?

>>5100787
>http://oh-hi.info/
shit's great

>>5100787
>All of the pics from late 2014 and up is when the edgy "im not like the other girls look" became commonplace
I want to go back...

>>5100156
i'm self taught. i do a lot of neutral gesture poses with standing and sitting, etc... and it all comes down to finding the weight of the form. where are they bearing all the weight of the pose, where does the fat pull downward, etc... it's the same exact shit. if your classes aren't teaching you what you wanna learn, do it yourself

>>5113188
anyone who claims they can do neutral gestures should post their work

>>5106982
i don't see the issue, the photos are clearly showing people aware they're being photographed.