/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

(reposting this here)
newfag to these threads here, the drawing on the right is with heavy reference, while the drawing on the right was drawn from memory. obviously i fucked up some stuff on both images, but i don't trust my own judgement very well so i'd like some critique.

>>5056480
Where are the plates?

which is better?

>>5056493
Damn whenever I try to do that draw from memory thing it never looks close to whatever I used as ref, am I retarded?
I think you could look at forms of head and hips/vagoo again.

God I love anime pussy

>>5056509
left face is better but the labia shouldn't be so visible unless she's swollen from a yeast infection or something

>>5056509
The right face looks more appealing to me, but the left has more character. The left nose is definitely way better.

Do you have any SM to follow? Really like your illustration style.

sorry guys copying anime only works if you're japanese

Can somebody help me out, I'm trying to do angles like this. I get that you're meant to tilt parts of the body as it gets further away from you but how do I know how much smaller it gets or larger it gets?

>>5056645
Intuition/visual memory, and when you're good, you have extremely large margin of error, it would hard to make something not look right.

>>5056648
How do you do it as a beginner or how do you develop those skills?

>>5056654
Mileage, being knowledgeable in the fundamentals of art, and technical art skills that will help you be able to put pen into paper.

>>5056657
Are you messing with me, I can't tell.
Are you telling me that the only way to do this is with experience and the only way to get experience is with experience.

>>5056645
People just eyeball it until it looks decent enough. Also >>5056648

>>5056661
Nta but you need to study other people who draw these kind of angles.

>>5056661
You learn to draw by drawing
What is it so hard to understand?

>>5056661
Just read on perspective and then reference/copy until you can do it by eyes alone

>>5056645
practice copying from photos of objects and figures from those angles. Then try recalling without the photos the same drawings. Like that you are creating a memory of objects at those angles which you can later apply to completely imagined scenes where the same rules will apply.

does this read like sheer patterned material?
does anyone have any good infograph on this? layer order etc

>>5056349

I see what you mean, the top of the head disappears, I should've made the hair bigger.

>>5056730

yeah, looks great

>>5056730
you’d probably get some light on the skin in that scenario, but otherwise looks good

>studying anime

notext

>>5057110
try another angle, finish the lineart at least

https://youtu.be/ko3Zaw8zffk

9:45

>>5057118
that wasn't the point of the practice but who cares

How easy is it to get a weeb gf if I become good at drawing anime?

>>5057389
Depends on your personality

who do i copy/learn from if i wanna draw pretty boys

>>5057397
I posted a bunch of mega links at the previous thread

>>5057421
thanks

>>5056509
Didn't get a chance to say this in feh but I think left fits her personality a lot more.

tfw some nigga is asking me to draw his OC on pixiv....

>>5057389
you dont need that nor do you want that
t. actually had a weeb gf that had a loli body

>>5056493
>ステエタス
>ステータス
fixed that for you

>>5057693
Everyone wants free art
The audacity of these bastards
I got 3 messages last week trying to get me to draw something
I direct them to my commission sheet and they stop instantly stop responding

>>5057845
huh, now that im looking at the original image turns out we were both wrong.
>ステイタス

>>5057864
it can be written in that way too, I can't be wrong regardless

i want to ask how bad this is before i proceed. looks like i fucked up on proportions again. i also think the head should be wider. how would you make the eyes look less flat?

should i learn to draw anime heads by loomis or by youtube tutorials?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGEy4OWLl8

>>5057864
Cunny

>>5057862
what a chad move.
tho i might do it because im bored

>>5057925
Look, it’s not great but you’ll improve a lot faster if you stop stressing and keep drawing. A few dozen more and you’ll start to see how to improve on your own.

Think of the direction she’s facing and ask yourself what eyes would look like from that angle. Your guidelines are made flat. You’ll get better and you’re off to a fine start.

>>5057947
Start with Loomis. Then do some tutorials. Then do more Loomis. Then copy from refs using Loomis. Then try making your own.

I'm going through james gourney's color and light, how do I properly study this?
The drawings are intricate, I can't copy them without spending ages maybe days on them.

>>5058018
>how do you expect to learn how to apply a practical skill without doing it????

christ,

>>5058018
>>5058035
like if you dont understand it by reading it, or if you dont understand how to simplify it, then work at it until you understand it in accordance with your level of comprehension
if you read the whole book and forget about it you arent going to have a cheatcode to success if you did not digest the book while you were reading it lmfao
and knowing what to do also does not always equate to being able to apply it in a successful manner

and if you arent going to put in the work. why bother.

How do I get more confident lineart without just making a new layer over the sketchy lines?

>>5058350
draw your sketch with more confident lines and stop being scared of putting down a line. There's no magical answer.

>>5058431
I'll make too many mistakes and won't be able to carefully render it

>>5058531
>ill make
there you go anon. You are not confident. Trust me it sounds crazy, but just having confidence in a line you make will actually make the drawing better. And also silly, you forgot if you have CSP, just turn your line art layer into a vector layer. That way it doesnt matter what and how you put the line down, because you can adjust the line by width, length and even move lines since well they're vectors. If you dont do anything at least do vector layers. Confident lines is honestly a time and experience thing.

>>5056480
What's asg's discord channel?

>>5058663
>discord
you will never be a woman.

>>5058663
Have sex dilate 41%

>>5057947
at least copy from a decent artist, dude

>>5058664
stop repressing, honey

>>5058350
why would you not do that? it's how professionals work

>>5057957
>>5057693
Don't. Those faggot copy paste request messages and send them to artists by the dozens

>>5059170
so I can work faster

>>5059175
Do you think there's some secret workflow that's going to be more fast and efficient than what people who have been cranking out weekly chapters for decades do?

>>5056509
Right

>>5059175
you can still draw faster while making 3-4 layers of sketch. It's not on the layers

>>5059186
>people who have been cranking out weekly chapters for decades do
Having assistants do all the work while you draw one or two characters isn't exactly ideal work ethic

>>5059293
Mangaka do more drawing in a week than you will ever do in your entire life

>>5059293
Well, have fun reinventing the wheel then.

>>5059308
He will hire a couple assistants and his drawings will miraculously improve.

>>5059307
>Mangaka
>drawing ever

I practiced a few heads from Manga Materials around neck & face tutorials (blue hair i made myself after going through the other heads)
Anything I should improve/focus on?

>>5059536
you seem to be having a rough time wrapping eyebrows around the head.

>>5057925
did some more and i’ll think i’ll move on to the next drawing. grateful for >>5057968 anon’s reassurance that i’ll improve with mileage

>>5059449
Cope retard

Why do necks make this angle and angle into the torso like this?

>>5059894
Cus hes leaning forward a bit and it's stylized

>>5059894
because the neck muscles go inward to a point.

>>5059914
>>5059904
I see it with 3D people too
So is it foreshortened or is the top of the neck thicker than the bottom?
I always thought that the bottom of the neck was thicker than the top.

>>5059894
because sternocleidomastoid connects from under your ears to the pit of your neck.

>>5059921
the bottom of the neck is thicker, because the traps go out in the back. that's why you see two sets of lines.

>>5059894
because it's below the horizon line and it's a cylindrical form

Is it bad to copy and paste the same image in a comic? All he does between the first and second panels is look at somebody.

>>5059947
>>5059926
>>5059941
>>5059914
>>5059904
thank you

>>5060169
read some comics and see how many times they do this. the amount of examples you find will be zero.

pog

>>5059536
the two at the bottom right are flat as fuck, it's obvious that you havent studied the face/head anatomy,i know that some anime faces look flat.... for the untrained eye but they still have some basic 3dp anatomy in it but i'ts stylized for example, the nose bridge being a few cm forward from the eye, the mouth while it's mostly drawn as an ''-'' actually follows the lips outline to convey form and in some cases it's actually just a fucking __,overall you have a really beg understanding of forms you should focus on learning every facial feature to have a great understanding of anime stylization or any other desu, the face is really hard to master im still beg but almost every gigabeg makes this mistake of skipping a more in depht study and just learn to deconstruct the face with very basic shapes/forms which usually becomes in: asymetric eye shapes,eyebrows,scheekbones, flat faces because they forget that cheeks and cheeckbones exist or the face is actually round and not a box.
You have made this mistake in all your drawings, the bad placement if the eyebrows you forgot that the nose bridge exist and it's form also the forehead is not all flat theres a curvature which the eyebrows follow, half of it or mayeb less but it does

tldr: your faces are flat and the eyebrows placement are wrong because you don't know the form of the nosebridge go study the face.

>>5060253
>pic related
I saw this way of studying from mangamaterial's video. Did you based it from her or was there some other resource that does the same method?

>>5060169
No but over using it can be jarring. You need to be selective

>>5060258
thats just deconstructing using simple forms and the wired thing its just to indicate form or direction, and the loomis potatoes excerssices are technically that on a really beg level

>>5060169
is this an attack on titan comic?

>>5060298
i just like drawing muscles because I make mistakes with my anatomy without it.

Is there a good tool that lets me rotate body parts and limbs?
I was thinking of getting Handy Art Reference Tool
from the playstore if there are no options

>>5060510
A mirror.

>>5060253
he needs to learn anatomy as much as you need english

>>5056480
DIOS MIO...!

>>5060729
EL GOBLINO DE NIPPON

I haven't drawn in like 7 years and just started doing it again like 2 weeks ago. I never did any anime type stuff before so I'm almost starting from 0, what should I do or practice to improve?

>>5060232
i love him

>>5060653
how am i gonna tilt a torso or see angles that I can't see with a mirror?

>>5059843
I’m happy for you anon, keep going and don’t be discouraged! Continue fearlessly.

>>5060771
Another mirror

Can someone post some good examples of anime art? I find realism somewhat easy but drawing anime just doesn't make sense to me

>>5060762
Perspective+Gesture

>>5060916
>good examples of anime art
anon be specific..

>>5060762
Probably your biggest issue seems to be anatomy. I would honestly recommend studying Loomis, because a lot of his anatomy guides can be used for anime, but any 'How to Draw Manga' book should also help you there. There are plenty of other anatomy guides in the sticky. Also, >>5060922 is really good advice.

Can't wait to get good enough to draw something and not nuke it from my PC after finishing it because it looks like something made by a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcZaSF4uGRo&ab_channel=atlustube

How the fuck can you draw like this and make it look so good.

>>5061244
>not using your hideous scribbles as wallpaper to fill yourself with disgust and rage to fuel your will to improve

>>5061249
you don't need draftsmanship to make good art, you only need to know what you are doing

>>5060717
shut up white fag, you'll never be able to draw anime

>>5061274
basado

>>5061274
t.japanese rapebaby

has anybody from these threads ever made it?
or are we doomed to be /beg/ forever or do nothing but redline others for the rest of our lives?

>>5061356
people in /mmg/ have not sure about these threads

Damn am I bad.

>>5061384
Horizontal line should be eyebrows - upper ear

>>5059536
Where you find head references?

>>5061387
The eyebrows and upper ear don't really line up in my image, though.

Left one is my best anime face so far and the right one i like and want to draw like that.
So what do? Just copy or are there any other techinics i am not aware of?

>>5061387
>>5061384
Sorry, to be specific, how would I line up the eyebrow/upper ear in the bottom image for example? The right ear is below the eyebrow, then the left eyebrow is below the right eyebrow, so do I curve it the opposite way? (curving down?)

>>5061394
i'm a beginner so feel free to ignore me but

if this is supposed to be like loomis heads, the side is a different plane so it's not just a line going around a sphere, so the line from ear to first eyebrow is not going to be exactly the same as eyebrow to eyebrow

>>5061406
lol, wtf is wrong with you that makes you want to draw like the right drawing wtf

>>5061406
yours looks better than one on the right lol. how long you been drawing?

>>5061411
>>5061412
I like it and i hate my own style.

>>5061410
It's not supposed to be loomis specifically, I was going off of https://youtu.be/ko3Zaw8zffk

Where they put the top of the eye below the halfway point of the head entirely, though they say that changes for a more realistic character look to more loomis'-esque proportions

>>5061422
just draw the eyes smaller then

>>5061422
to answer initial q, i think you should just copy. i like that style too

>>5061384
your lines are so off...

>>5061476
Please correct them for me, then.

>>5061422
pay more attention to the linework too

>>5061488
send without your lines on top

>>5061496

>get into it drawing pretty anime character
>"fuck too realistic"
>spend next 7 hours erasing parts of the face and animifying

Anyone else do this?

>>5061541
>7 hours
you should of moved on anon

>>5061496
>>5061476

Anon are you almost done? I'd really appreciate the correction on my lines.

Going to start with Vilppu, see you next year folks

>>5061663
Since the other dude probably bailed on you, maybe this helps you?
I think I should be fairly close at least, not perfect though..

>>5061550
The only way to improve is to draw exactly what is in your head and don't quit until you do.
Every
Single
Time.

>>5061500
im not that anon either, but it should be something like this. you have to pay attention to where the edges of the eyes are, that helps start finding the orientation of the head, then where the top part of the ear is.

>>5061348
not japanese, seethe harder

>>5061695
>>5061721
Thanks guys! I appreciate the feedback!

Guys what are some ressources that made you understand rendering?
I feel like I'm kind of stuck at this point. I can draw some semi okay-ish pictures but when I think about rendering I just get lost.

Can't get past basics it seems like primary color, shadows, highlights.

>>5061725
I don't think he meant you were a nip bro

>>5056509
anyone who picks left are tumblr fags

>>5061777
If you only knew how rad things really are.

>>5061866
apologize

Alright, I tried to line up the features more with the lines this time.

>>5061895
you are just symbol drawing

>>5061899
I'm not even drawing anything besides the construction of the head. What could I possibly be symbol drawing?

>>5061895
have you considered that maybe art just isn't for you? you can't draw a proper curved line without wobble and yet you have the audacity to try and draw "anime"
Why don't you just pick up a pickaxe and die deep in a coal mine? maybe your parents would be proud of you then

>>5061906
you are basing theose landmarks on guess work not to mention that they are tilted down too much and most of your lines aren't accurate at all

>>5061899
>>5061906
Sorry if that came off as defensive anon, reading it back it looks a little charged. My understanding of symbol drawing is drawing a symbolic representation of what you see, rather than the actual form that's there, in this case though, I'm just trying to draw the forms for construction, so I suppose it is symbol drawing in a sense, but I don't see how that's different from all construction based drawing, or what specifically I am doing wrong.

>>5061895
look for the pin2d tutorials on youtube bro

>>5061921
Dumb crab

>>5061895
use a ref that wasn't drawn by space aliens that have never seen an ear attached to a head before.

>>5061921
That's a bit harsh, anon. My line confidence will improve with practice and time.

>>5061923
I fully admit I'm basing it off guesswork, yes. Everything you said here is completely accurate. What exactly do you mean by "tilted down too much"? I'm assuming that's referring to the forms, yes?

>>5061926
Yeah, that's what I'm doing anon. I'm trying the practice method he recommends at the end of the video for heads.

>>5061937
I'll try some different references anon, thank you.

>>5061356
Some good ones are lurking from time to time

>>5061981
Best tip I can give to people browsing asg would be to take the resources in the OP and just start drawing. And learn how to fix mistakes in your drawings by yourself.

>>5062001
Are you any good? Not being a jerk just hoping someone in this thread us decent.

>>5062007
Probably not really.
Low int-ish.
But there are good people that post here. I said what I said because it's not worth getting crabbed by all the toxic fucks posting here. Work on constantly improving yourself and don't think of unnecessary things

>>5062001
I don't think that's great advice. Getting feedback while learning is extremely important and otherwise you just learn bad habits and never improve. A beginner doesn't know what they're doing wrong, that's why they are a beginner. Sure self-criticism is important but you're severely crippling yourself. Find people to surround yourself with that will give you good feedback and improve together.

>>5061899
Anime is symbol drawing

>>5062007
It's greysketch tranny thinking he's better than others here again kek

>>5061895
>those ears
please find a less shitty anime to practice with

>>5062026
You are totally right, point being good feedback though.
And you barely get that here let's be honest.

anyone got some anime style elf ears 360 angles?

>>5062040
You do have a point. Most people that talk big are just regurgitating things they still haven't figured out. Not everyone does it out of spite though.

>>5062057
If you see him post his work you'll laugh

>>5056480
by reading this thread I'm starting to think this has no hope

>>5062059
I your talking about grey sketch then yea. I can't tell if he is a master crab or a literal escaped mental patient.

>>5062069
He is unintentionally retarded.

Is this better? It looks better to me, still not great or anything, but def better.

Anyone have that problem where you start drawing a face directly facing you but by the time you're down working out the rough its at a 4/5th angle?

>>5062026
>made up platitudes
You're either able to keep yourself on task and break down your own work to self-teach from books and videos, or you need hands on instruction.
There isn't a third option where periodic dumb advice from anons or a gay discord makes up the difference.

>>5062088
Not him but have you never worked together with a good classmate or friend lol.

>>5062094
4chan is not your friend or classmate.

>>5062101
I met some pretty good people from here and they've been good friends on discord, yes from /ic/. Reality is that not everyone wants to be cold and alone all the time, some of us like to help each other learn and improve.

>>5062047
Use sketchfab

>>5062077
what are these diagonal lines on the face and the angle on that ball isn't wrong?

>>5062158
The former is supposed to be the flat side of the head, and the cross where the top of the ear goes, but looking at it now I see I put it way too high up. I don't understand what's you're asking for the second part.

>>5062217
Do these practices actually help you?

>>5062228
I don't know. I'm a hyper beginner anon. I don't really know anything. I've read fun with a pencil and watched pin2d head tutorial and that's about it except doodling.

>>5056480
Any crit please, but mostly how do I fix her feet?

Pekora WIP

>>5062337
fix the broken feet, learn how to knees look, fix the angle of the boot in her left foot since her leg is in front view and fix those rings on her leg they look like shit and not ovals wrapping around and feel the forms to draw better wrinkles/drappery ugh...

>>5062077
Can you post the original ref? I can give a redline later

>>5062444
Thank you, anon.

>>5062110
>the only humans you can possibly interact with are art discord trannies
ngmi in art or life

Can I update clip studio paint for free or do I have to pay money like a windows update to a higher version?

>>5062431
Not him but why do you seem so pissed off when you fix up other's work?

>>5062314
the lower part of the leg doesn't curve inwards at the front unless it's really stylised. You've got muscles there like the tibialis anterior and extensor digitorum longus. It actually protrudes outwards a bit from them.

>>5062620
Updates are free.

>>5061406
draw the eyes different and add those shadows

>>5062620
go on their website and download the installer to update it, if it's a legit version

>>5061412
no it doesnt. retarded /beg/ faggot. the one on the right has FAR better gesture and understanding of form, not to mention line weight.

GESTURE, you faggots. most underrated aspect of figure drawing in these threads, consistently.

>>5062704
hi mikufag

>>5062704
here, since a lot of you faggots in here are only able to think in terms of the eyes, dot nose and line mouth (which are the easiest part of anime to visualize and draw seeing as they are basically abstract 2d stickers 99% of the time), look at this and try to think about actual 3d forms. if you still dont understand, try squinting and looking at it, since thats what asians see.

blind begs leading the blind

>>5062711

>>5062431
take your meds gook

>>5062720
damn mikufag, you are hilarious

>>5062722
>take your meds gook


Why do people like you exist in drawthreads when all you do is bitch about advice? Are you the OP? Stop being a whiny faggot. Are you some other anon critical of his crit? Then offer your own and actually do something productive instead of being a shitty little crab.

If you won't offer a redline or even a text-based critique of their critique, and all you have to say is "fuck you, gook", or "eat shit, nigger", or whatever other curse-laden retardism you run to to avoid any hints of criticism, then what are you, if not a crab?

NGMI is a mindset and an attitude, of which you have both.

>>5062314
I like your loli heads, can you tell me your process?
I end up with deformed 5 heads or large craniums when I do mine and people always point that out.

>>5062749
nice cope nigger

>>5062770
We're clearly different people, brainlet. PWY.

>>5062749
hell right, go off sis

>>5062704
>>5062712
>being this angry
>still helps

tsundere anon is cute

Any critique?
I feel like I got it right.

>>5062845
Head too big and the feet are weirdly shaped, other than that it does have potential.
I'd shrink down the whole head so it ends at the height where the hand begins, maybe even smaller.

>>5062862
She's meant to be a child, her head is pretty huge in comparison to her body, she's like 4-5 heads tall.

>>5062873
Yeah, but it doesn't look good in your image.

>>5062877
Why is that?
I tried to make the proportions looks as accurate as possible.
What did I do wrong?

>>5062879
For me the head's just too giant, even for a loli. But if you don't want to change that you can try to overlay your body and face on this image to see if you can pick up anything useful for the proportions.

>>5062882
Thanks, tried it, the proportions seem to match up, my body seems to a be thinner and my head isn't as wide.
I'll keep trying to fix it.

>>5062891
jaw is ugly on a loli/child
because you want to use simpler or rounder shapes for Cuteness but you gave her more chin
Think about simplifying in a cuter way

>>5062891
In the original I mean >>5062981
I didn't Check your edit since it's not clear under the lines

>>5062712
i gave it a try! but i still think drawing these angles in anime style is a bit weird since how u draw eyes a dot (nose) and a smile all matters how you draw the facial structure to begin with,,

What are your thoughts on the art of solo leveling?
How does the artist do such detailed colored drawings every single chapter?
It's better than most manga I know.
Does he have a team?
I can't imagine it being one person.

https://mega.nz/folder/Uc9mTQgT#2d8UWgGnUvICOUL1x0H2Pg/folder/gc11maJa

>>5062749
Anon is malding about your asian jeans. Ignore him.

>>5063023
the artist/s of solo leveling consist of 2-3 people iirc
They're pretty gud at foreshortening too. Nice stuff.

>>5056509
The bigger nose fits her face. Left. Nose looks too thin and long on the right.

>>5056509
right has better face

>>5062431
Thanks anon, I was referencing pic related. I guess I need to do more figure drawing and drapery studies before going into anime.

>>5063046
The crit anon isn't even me. I just think the anon that shows up all the time, incredibly mad at the other guy for critting (without ever posting his work/critting), is a fucking retard.

>>5063145
I think you should've used a better ref.

>>5063398
is there a good way to figure out what's a good ref? as a beginner I probably don't notice many issues with drawings as long as they're not super bad. Is it best to just stick with popular manga/anime that's likely to have high quality art and avoid fanart?

>>5063145
HOLY SHIT LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

is it a bad idea to copy anime?
Like actual anime, like tv shows and movies.
I heard that it's a bad idea since it is rushed to look presentable and it that it doesn't always look good.

>>5063472

i don't know anon

>>5062431
Scarper. POSTHASTE.

>>5063412
Anon inadvertently demonstrating why 99% of doujin had dogshit symbol drawing anatomy for decades.

>>5062623
>why do you seem so pissed off
this is prob bait but here

im not, rather tired of seeing gigabegs doing the same mistakes over and over again but that's not the issue, they are begs so it's understandable however there's a whole gen for that, if you post your beg's work most if not everytime the short and best answer is go read/sudy loomis/fundies which is a broad expectrum and most begs don't care which contributes to the eventual shitpost that will happen when someone says ''that's a shitty x fix that (not counting the actual plain shitpost)'' and some retard for some reason will chimp out or demand your work because how dare you to say evil mean words, like saying nigger,faggot isn't the same but they are okay, they are okay becaus it's just an exageration.

your problem with my critique is?,''the rings looking like shit'' which they are because how the fuck do you fail so hard to drawn an oval and ''ugh'' just being a shitpost aside from that idk

Anyone got some good mouth expressions when facing directly frontward/slightly up frontward?

anyone have any recs for an anatomy book that gives you per body part exercises?
pls no loomis, that book is insufferable beyond the potato heads

>>5062314
Biggest thing that I think sticks out is that the left eye is bigger than the right one.

>>5061895
your wrapping lines are wrong. read perspective made easy. you're drawing the wrapping lines as if the view point is above the head which is not true.

the wrapping line seems like you're just symbol drawing what you think wrapping lines on a sphere should look like

critique please?
I feel like I over did the hair for the girl on the right, but it was fun. the table also makes the hair look weird since the lines come close to another.

>>5063713
I'll read it, thank you anon. Yeah, the contour lines are def a huge issue for me. This is really good advice, thanks a lot!

>>5063754
The perspective is fucked up

>>5063754
Where's the eyelevel?

>>5061895
I don't really know how to do this with this anime head so sorry in advance.
I think I messed up but this is how I see it.
The anime head is missing things like eye lids, the area on the frontal bone where the eyebrows, procerus and corrugator muscles sit, a protrution for the zygnomatic bone, a proper mandible etc.
I feel like it's easier to get used to drawing skulls and then stylize it to anime.

That said please please please look at pin2D's anime head drawing tutorial. It will help you a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko3Zaw8zffk

If you want to learn anime heads in any angle get used to drawing the pin2d way of constructing and then use csp's models and pose in various agnles, that way you can build up a library of angles in your head.

ngmi general

>>5063849
Jokes on you, I'm having fun drawing, I've already made it.
Improving or making money from it is an afterthought.

>>5063845

>>5063862
ngmi mentality

>>5063864
im feeling the form

>>5063845
is there a part 2 for this?
or specific tutorials for other body parts?
the channel is kinda messy to look through

>>5063891
they take everything out of loomis books

>>5063845
>3 steps
>draw correct head shape
>find where the features go on the head
>draw the features

>>5063754
>>5063754
perspective on grills is different

>>5063892
not reading that crap
theres like 10 million pages of filler for every paragraph of useful information/things you can practice with

>>5063901
not my loss

here we go

>>5063902
ngmi

>>5063905
what do u mean by that?

>>5063907
you're not going to make it
in other words, your efforts will amount to nothing and you will be a failure for all eternity

>>5063911
i'm fine with that if that means i get to keep my steady work

Is /asg/ the worst general of /ic/?

>>5063927
>POV: You are producer-san.

>>5063929
thats still /DAD/

>>5063929
Literally the /ic/ toilet
Just flush it

>>5063754
Vandruff.

>>5062822

>>5063529
>tired of seeing gigabegs doing the same mistakes over and over again
I got news for you ESL retarded
you are on /ic/

>>5063960
they can be bermabegs on /beg/ or /alt/ for all i care

>>5063975
>implying /asg/ is any better
lol

Any comments on my work that are not compliments will be ignored

>>5063984
you would fit well on reddit

>>5063845
I was using pin2D's, that's the worst part. I'm just terrible at it I guess.

>>5063988
If you're opinion isn't that I should worshipped, its worthless.

>>5063845
Man this video is actually pretty bad. No real explanation, he just does it and then says the cute characters eyes are in the middle of the head, and realistic characters are higher.

>>5063690
Thanx, I always mess up the eyes somehow
>>5062633
I'm assuming you are talking about the way I did her right leg? I'll see what to do about it thanks
>>5062750
>I end up with deformed 5 heads or large craniums when I do mine and people always point that out.
Can you post an example? Mine usually look 5head until I add hair, in fact I've seen plenty of people have the same problem

>>5064057
I always feel baited when i watch pin2d stuff. Or really any youtuber.

I feel like something is wrong with the angle of the head.
Is there something super obvious I'm missing or have I just been staring at this too long?

>>5064210
i think mostly just symmetry issue is the problem

>>5064210
ears lower at this angle
what is she doing pulling out her remaining hair?

>>5063845
>>5063864
LOL

>>5061895
Hold the phone anon, are you the one I gave my discord to a year back here? Because this looks strikingly similar.

I think you'd be better off just trying to improve your lines and confidence in your strokes rather than immediately draw faces at this point. you're not gonna get anywhere like this. There's a lack of coordination that would just make actual study impossible at this level.

sorry for lol-tier tutorial, but I don't really know what to add in there.

>>5063845
CSP models aren't made well enough and are too flat and basic for actual anime head study. Pin2D is also basic normie-tier stuff for kids at this point. The 3D lines aspect you brought is interesting and something i'd recommend though.

>>5064210

hard to tell, what's the context here? what is she doing?

last two digits decide how many studies im going to do, 1 per day until the end of the count

>>5064334
i was hoping for 99 but oh well

>>5064338
you need to go back wherever you came from

>>5064333
>Hold the phone anon, are you the one I gave my discord to a year back here? Because this looks strikingly similar.

No.

How should I improve my lines/strokes?

>>5064346

Really, just let your hand and arm flow and move around. it's a mindset. The exercises you get in the first pages of the dynamic sketching book are pretty good, if you do them on larger scales. Those lines tell me your strokes are slow and it makes your hand wiggle around- Try and be faster and bolder, while still being mindful of what you put down.

Slower, more controlled movements are for small details only.

>>5064382
Alright, I'll look into that anon, thanks. You mentioned earlier you don't like the Pin2D video, what would you recommend for anime heads?

>>5064421
not him but unironically loomis. just read drawing the head and hands

Where is /asg/ discord? I wanna talk and not draw

i'll make sure to draw more animu like heavy object and in fact imma draw some toilet bound hinako i like style

>>5064421
There's a few things.

First of all, studies. But not really in the way you're doing. You place your guideline seemingly at random. These are supposed to help you place features correctly and follow the head structure. Pic relate, a quick example I did.

It isn't just tracing and moving on, you really have to analyze what is happening in order to re-do it. I still have some huge word documents filled with my face study notes, I recommend you really look into how the distances between the features and where they are placed proportionally to each other.

When you're confident enough, you can try and redraw the same exact faces and proportions at different angles or with different expressions. Stuff like that. Tinker around, have fun, but analyze everything.

>>5058663
>>5064476
In the Pastebin.

Reminder to study art fundamentals if you are struggling because your problem is probably not being able to understand how anime is a deconstruction of traditional art.

>>5064523
>art fundamentals
Don't be a parrot. Art fundamentals is just an untangible umbrella term. If you want to lecture people then at least explain exactly what you mean.
If you just mean being able to think in 3D and feel forms, then at least state so clearly and demonstrate it.

>>5064498
The problem is I don't really know how to analyze. In the pin2d video, it seems like he just kinda knows where the line should already go, and does that. In your attached illustration, it seems like the middle of the ear (the canal) lines up with the bottom of the eyes, and the nose. The chin is defining the midplane of the face, with the contour line crawling up it. Like another anon stated, I have a hard time actually making a contour line that follows the form, it just doesn't "click" in my head. It feels more like I'm just guessing where that line should be, rather than actually drawing it.

>>5064532
or read the fucking sticky

>>5064540
Practice drawing consistent forms first, then. Your basic shapes. spheres, etc; Then come back to the faces later. Like you said, you're only guessing where the line should go, and having a good idea of forms in 3D would help you a lot.

>>5064233
True, I was goin for the "slumped shoulder 80s pose" vibe, but that's done by raising the shoulder and i was doing the opposite.
Camera slightly uplooking up at body, face towards camera, eyes kinda disinterested/looking away
I think I'm just gonna give up on the upward angle though.
>>5064255
>ears lower at this angle
thanks
>what is she doing pulling out her remaining hair?

lol no, I just hate sketching/rendering hair and always do it last.
She's basically just gonna be teasing her hair while revealing her fucked up eye.

>>5064570
Right, I'll do that. How do I figure out where the contour lines go if I'm just guessing though? Like I can see that they don't look correct, but how do I learn to draw them correctly? I could do something like (pic attached), but that's only gonna work from an eye level perspective. If I was drawing from say the top of the sphere, the longitude lines would look more like concentric circles, right?

>>5064583
Even looking at those though, they still don't look right. I just don't get it man

Can someone tell me what this is trying to say? Just using multiply layers or something?

>>5064592
Step 1: "This is somehow unimpressive"
Step 2: Generally multiplying gives a good feeling of colour
Step 3: Adding emission of light (???) (I'm assuming they mean adding a strong source of light to the picture)
Step 4: It's become a good feeling
Step 5: Shade and texture adjustment becomes complete

>>5064604
Thanks

>>5064583
>only gonna work from an eye level perspective

wdym, just pick the contour line for whatever perspective you're drawing. I think you should review a perspective book and how eye level is taken into account when you draw spheres/cylinders/ellipses

>>5064619
No problem. My japanese isn't great, but that's the general gist.

>>5064620
I was reading perspective made easy, while I generally understand the idea for boxes, I get a little lost with spheres/cylinders, I'll likely be doing a lot of review on it.

Like attached for example, if I wanted this to represent a cranium not tilted up or down, but tilted to the right, would this be correct? The vertical lines are sort of indicating that, while the horizontal line is just straight.

>>5064640
right idea but you need to draw through your contour lines and you will see that they are not ellipses like they should be. think about slicing the sphere, you should end up with a bunch of ellipses in perspective

>>5064650
I see. I'll practice that then. You've been extremely helpful anon, thank you so much. Any more advice you have for me?

>>5063947>>5063801
>>5063796
>>5063900

ok I tried fixing my perspective is it better now?

>>5062431
nice folds. what book/vid do you use for reference/practice?

how do i improve this, why does she look derpy?

any critique?

Is it cheating to copy poses?
Not tracing, eyeing it a copying it down.
I can't draw from imagination without it looking weird.

Why do i keep drawing 5head?
I keep doing loomis balls and drawing them right.

>>5064498
excuse me but what pen did you use for the finished lines, im trying to find new brushes to use after csp lets you import photoshop brushes

>>5064858
>eyes too close together
>(her) right eye very misplaced
>missing neck
>clothing folds make 0 sense and are seemingly just randomly placed lines
>(her) left arm missing
>fingers are very short and hand is 75% palm
>calves too short
>cant identify the shape or 3dness of calves/boots at all
>pose is very stiff
in short: Loomis

>>5065014
Thank you, I just have a few questions.

Her neck is covered by the scarf and side bangs should I have made it longer? I feel like it's long enough. She doesn't have a long neck to begin with.
Her left arm is here, it's inside her jacket pocket, how should I have made her arm from that pose?
Didn't I get the leg proportion right, I don't know why the lower leg with the calf would be longer than the upper leg.
I've added a tilt to her body, she leans towards the viewer is it still stiff? I feel like if I made her bend more she'd fall over.

What loomis book should I read?
I've read fun with a pencil and figure drawing. for all it's worth, should I have read something else too?

>>5065046
>neck
looks fine if you isolate the head, but bad if you add the body. its not centered on her torso
>left arm
doesnt look like its in a pocket. try it yourself. your elbow likely wouldnt be jutting out like that. it should be behind her or the hand in the pocket should be more identifiable
>legs
might just be her right leg that looks weird because bad form
>stiffness
yes its still stiff. look at her left leg. shes seemingly standing straight on it with the other leg up like a flamingo. Try to achieve balance with the left and right leg.
Maybe consider having the right leg touch the floor for balance.
And consider having her right arm in a different pose to give it some dynamism.
face is better now but also move the eyebrow

sorry i cant redline or redraw or anything since my tablets stored away atm

>>5065063
ok thank you

>>5065069
meant to add, the right image was my ref

>>5065069
>>5065070
questionable....

How do you think in 3D?

Are there any ways to acquire this skill faster?

>>5065117
moatddtutorials had some nice videos on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uqnPkmoQsI

>>5064903
Either make the head wider or make sure the hair works well in a way that makes it look good.

>>5065207
thank you

>>5065212
This, most of the anime styles I like look retarded if you just take the head without hair included.

>>5063845
nigga drew a pumpkin

>>5065117
draw 'through' always
feel the form. literally feel it. that's not just a meme. ALWAYS think in terms of form, never in terms of lines or shapes. FUCK shapes. think about VOLUMES in SPACE.

>>5065239
>draw 'through' always
>feel the form.
What?

>>5065241
drawing through see pic.

feeling the form is more difficult. to feel the form, you have to actually KNOW it. that's why studying anatomy is so important. otherwise your drawing is a series of accidents. random shapes that you don't even understand are meant to be representing. when you feel the form flat shapes become volumes. volumes are the visible parts of forms, which are turning in space.

>>5065254
also, all of this is only for the sketch / conceptualization. obviously you don't draw through for your lineart or finished painting or whatever.

>>5065255
>>5065254
where do i learn the proper forms of anatomy?
Most books just show a 2d view of anatomy.

>>5065257
bitch everything you see on a book or screen is 2d bitch wdym

>>5065257
good question. if you 'draw through' enough, you'll eventually be able to translate two dimensional shapes, as pictured here, into three dimensional forms. it's easy for me to look at these simplified shapes and very quickly extrapolate the forms - cylinders, boxes, spheres - which they represent. this comes from drawing through a LOT. you force yourself to think in terms of depth.

these are very simple, but you can go into more depth with other resources for specific parts of the body and the principle is the same. figure out the basic forms, and you can construct and manipulate them in space. first with tedium, then intuitively. start with an easy subject like an insect or plant. there is a lot of room for error. watch this
https://youtu.be/22XYoenU-0c?t=643
(skip to 10:30 if it doesn't work)

depending on how refined you want to get, learning the proper forms for human anatomy might require life study. remember you have a set of hands, feet and such right in front of you that you can look at for reference. then you need either life reference or a giga shitton of reference images

>>5065260
anatomy books show shapes, which are the 2 dimensional representation of form. we are lucky in that the human body is somewhat symmetrical and predictable. the leg is (very roughly) a cylinder from all angles (if you draw through)

>>5064989
Unironically, hard round brush on csp. I just created a new brew brush and let the default settings on. No color mixing.

>>5065310
there is no hard round in csp though
what is a brew brush?
i wonder if anyone has tried importing the PS one to csp with the new update.

>>5065317
ah, sorry, that was a spelling mistake. What I meant is, just create a new brush, and don't touch the settings. That's what I use. You can mess around to get something more like what you want, though.

>>5064868
>>5063754
if you're using csp, use perspective tools to ensure lines converge

use reference, don't symbol draw (not even objects). windows are usually not as simple as 田 lol
also scale is wack, nothing looks measured. next to a standing figure that window would look too small and too low. you should revisit perspective so you can measure everything out correctly in space relative to a figure

for now the fastest fix to get a reference for a whole living room set- for the interior design, scale, and perspective

>>5065272
thank you

>>5065025
>>5064477
it's been 2 years. What the hell is this
it's like you're not even trying

How do I get used to other brushes I got used to colored pencil and turnip pen in csp and I can't seem to get used to others.

Sketch. Crit pls. Is it worth painting?

Why is it that when I do long loli heads people complain about it being 5head when there are literally styles of 5head anime girls.

>>5065620
is her lower half backwards?

>>5065687
when there are literally styles of 5head anime girls.
you said it yourself

>>5065690
From the front, approximately as in the picture.

There are a bunch of books linked in the OP. Are there any specific ones I should read first?

>>5065760
loomis

Currently on the works

>>5065551
Brain damage

Can someone tell me why this is looking so stupidly bad.. I can't figure it out.

>>5065917
>ass hiding pose
shoulda curved the body more to show some posterior.

>>5065883
sweetie?

>>5066141
you do know that from tuberosity of ischium to top of ribcage is about double ribcage height, right?

>>5066156
nm, thought you were pointing out something different with your squiggles.

>>5065551

lol

Holy shit 10 second gesture drawings are freaking hard.

>>5066141
not him but if youre going to redline something at least make it coherent or explain what youre trying to point out

So how do i convert to anime? Any guides?

>>5066332

>>5066340
kek

>>5066141
Uh, i'm the anon and i really don't get what you're trying to say. I am genuinely confused.

>>5066365
no the redliner but looks like her arms are not the same length and her right arm bends weirdly. and perhaps her shoulder isnt positioned correctly, or perhaps her shoulder is but her head isnt. should be covered by her raised shoulder if that's the case.

>>5066380
Ah, an easy thing to fix them phew...

>>5066385
Then*
Fucking autocorretor

>>5066268
10 seconds gesture is more than enough, you're not doing 10 second croquis that's way harder.

>>5066502
Actually meant that don't know why I said gesture

>>5065342
can you upload it on catbox please?

>>5066141
better honey?

>>5066380
i made the neck long on purpose, i drew the shoulder blade foward for a more cutesy/cheeky look, but part of it was hiding the lips, so i made the neck longer so i could draw the face the way i wanted.

where's the new thread?

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