/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

TL;DR
don't care

>If you have a family or financial obligations, you will never be able to put in the mileage to break free, and only be a hobbyist. never reaching your full potential
>Nobody cares about progress without results. If your practice isn't producing tangible change, quickly than you're either too stupid or working too slowly
>being an artist with a career, without a social media following is becoming more and more unlikely, and it will soon be necessary to learn how to grow a following to survive
>if you are ever satisfied with your work, you've peaked and will only stagnate from there
>machine learning algorithms will most likely make painting obsolete within our lifetime

But, if everything is inherently meaningless, then art has no more or less meaning than doing anything else. so at least if you're wasting your time like that its a net neutral

>You're only useful if your art can sell, and you're only worthy of love if you can make money. If you aren't making money and people are still saying they love you, it's out of obligation, not genuine.

>>5036301
Here’s a giga blackpill for you man.

You do not love making art, I think you have some fucked up feeling of inadequacy and crave approval that you hope the art world will give you because art is self expression and you want your sense of self to be accepted/validated by others.

This post was not written by someone who genuinely loves the process of creating art. Stop torturing yourself and find something else. If you don’t live yourself you are unlovable.

If you think you need money or some thing, outcome, or circumstance will fill the emptiness you feel, you’re the blue pilled one.

Save yourself the trouble and learn to love yourself, no one will do it for you. Good luck man.

>>5036357
unironically based and blackpilled

Should’ve taken funpill instead

>>5036357
>t. started drawing last week
Always ignore these posts about doing it "for fun" as if art had to be nothing but some kind of masturbatory act.
Art career is a Ponzi scheme, people need to know what they're getting in the moment they set out on "making it" or trying to get their work out there. It's full of desperate players trying to make a buck out of you and selling you dreams.
Being aware of what OP said changes nothing if someone is truly passionate since if you dedicate your life to this craft you won't quit no matter what. Just don't be retarded and have a plan B if you are uncomfortable with having no future.

>>5036301
cringe
>>5036357
based

I love cooming to art

>>5036357
>This post was not written by someone who genuinely loves the process of creating art
absolutely based out of his fucking mind. read this post OP

>>5036401
Pyw

>>5036438
You are all /beg/s and aspiring hookers.
Imagine getting assblasted about a post that says "don't be a retard and have a plan B"

>>5036486
So you can’t draw? I’d like to be sure advice is given from someone who knows their shit.

>>5036301
>>5036357
>>5036375
There are no black pills

>>5036357
Based and not blackpilled, but white pilled. Blackpilled is a pol/ term that means information that leads to hopeless darkness of the world ever having good in it but your post made me feel hopeful.

>>5036401
Fool. The best artists enjoy the process. It isn't masturbation, it's seeing your vision come to life before your eyes. Its touching another human's soul and trying to convey your emotions through expression. People who are in it for the money alone will struggle. They have to work to find motivation to draw. People who love it will sprint through fundy studies so they can apply it to what they love and improve far faster. They will improve far faster than retards who draw nothing but boxes, naked humans, and other studies without ever making a full finished piece because they dont feel "ready" until they've "mastered" every thing first. Constant practicing things that are not finished pieces, means no practice making polished works.

The only tiny grain of truth in your post is art will lead to no money so people should either be in it for the love of art so their work stands out, or find a job that is more rare that requires talent in art.
I've always loved making art and I work in a trade skill that requires art skills. I'm the top worker in my shop because I love art and I'm driven by seeing people smile. The first day I realised I used the art part of my brain to do the job I was overjoyed. Meanwhile I know a artist who draws commissions for a living and she gets no work. All she draws is naked women. Her note book is piled and piled of practice sketches of naked women. Customers can sense when something lacks passion or the spark of a soul and they will avoid you like they avoid her
.

>>5036486
Kek so you criticized someone by saying they started drawing last week but you have no recent work to share?

>>5036603
Your cross hatching style looks confusing.

>>5036603
>The best artists enjoy the process.
Did I say you shouldn't enjoy the process?
Work on your art.

Dude just draw in weekend and never grind seriously if you're office worker lmao

>>5036603
>the best artists enjoy the process

you must be hating it then

>>5036301
My life is this empty, regardless of whether I choose art as a path, so I might as well draw and at least feel spiritually satisfied.

>>5036357
This

>>5036712
Unrelated but I didn’t realize how oniai was way ahead of its time with those yes pillows.

>>5036301
I hate to say this, but I agree with every bit you stated here OP, probably because we are the same and there's a bias, and maybe this guy >>5036357 is right about loving ourselves. I'm not gonna say if you're right or wrong just wanna say that you spoke my mind. Not looking to argue or have trouble with anyone.

>>5036754
>You will never have someone(spouse, family, friend) truly appreciate the challenges and sacrifices you have to put yourself under that are necessary to grow as an artist
>to succeed you will have to alienate these people from your life, but if you don't succeed, they will leave you for more interesting and successful people

These 2 resonated with me strongly, based on past events and experiences, but hey I know we're all different and it doesn't apply to everyone

>>5036357
Hey man I agree with the lack of self love but it doesn't necessarily mean our passion for art is not genuine. It's actually this self loathe that makes drawing a form of respite, and an opportunity to redeem myself.

>>5036301
Anon, just fucking draw and try to get better if that’s your goal. Iv been doing this for 5 months and i can see my self getting better each time I draw. Why do you guys make it into something so introspective and reflective? Just try your best. Studio jib didn’t get started until the goat had 20 years under his belt

>>5036357
op here. anon, this is a white pill that's really just a sugar pill at best

Never did I say I didn't love making art. It's one of the only things that give me joy. It's part of the issue, I love making art but I have to work to support a life I didn't want doing something I hate to do. If I leave it to pursuit drawing, I'll alienate those around me who won't understand what it feels like to need to pursue something.

You need the power to be mobile and grow if you describe power as the amount of control you have over your life

it's because all love is conditional by nature anon

>>5036301
you sound like a failed normalfag that wants to spread his misery

>>5036357
Based and Vantablackpilled

>>5036301
>he doesn't enjoy the struggle life throws at him
>he doesn't thrive in the suffering
>he doesn't realize the fruits of his labor and dedication will taste even better the harsher its environment
>he doesn't realize life is all about overcoming hardships
Anon, it's time to exit the cave. Become enlightened in the sun like me.

>>5036301
>>You're only useful if your art can sell, and you're only worthy of love if you can make money. If you aren't making money and people are still saying they love you, it's out of obligation, not genuine.
Only true if you're a simp. Simps without money are less than human. Men without money are anime protagonists irl

>>5036950
based and sunpilled

>>5036950
HOLY FUCKING BASED
I FINALLY SEE THE TRUTH

>>5036637
kek

>>5036754
that's a beautiful drawing anon

>>5036922
You’re gonna be okay dude, I promise you that in 15 yrs you’re going to look back and be amazed at how much time you spent worrying about nothing.
Love is about giving, look at your language. You are trying to “get” this vague mental relief out it, you chase it because you “need” to, not want to. your I’m not pulling this out of my ass, I’m telling you out of experience. That feeling is a carrot on a stick that will lead you down the path to hell on earth, trust me.

Start asking your self what you can give to your art, what can you give to your loved ones. Stop fucking thinking your life will be better if you “get” that one thing that’s going to make you feel good about your self and your situation.
And I know you are focused on getting because you say pursue as if one day you’re going to wake up and satiate that craving you carry with you. Sorry, but it’s not gonna happen if you chase that feeling.

You describe power as the amount of control you have over your life, so basically your post is telling me that you feel powerless, which is not true.
And you are trying to solve that anxiety by exerting control over your art and where you think you’ll get out of it, you “need” to pursue it, you don’t need to man, that’s in your head, you can pursue it if you want to, but you don’t need to. You’re throwing obstacles in front of you if you think you need to alienate your loved ones to create art. You say need because to you art is this thing that one day will give you something that’s missing in your life.
You don’t have to go to work, you can stop going, there will be consequences, but the truth is you always have a choice. You can stop going tomorrow, you can look for another job.
You chose to do something you didn’t want to do, you can choose not to do it.

Maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about and I’m just talking to my past self. Point is, you are going to be okay and are loved. Stop worrying.

>>5036301
sounds retarded desu.

>>5036950
The whitepill has been consumed. I Now see the light.

>>5037278
Very wise post. I'm not OP but I hear your words loud and clear. I'm always looking to "get" something out of every situation I'm in. It's a pretty stressful way to live.

>>5037278
>>5038657
Expanding. "If I get girls, if I get good at art, if I get money..." If I get this, if I get that, THEN I'll be the shit, THEN I'll yadda yadda yadda. I was aware of how bullshit this mentality is but reading your post made it loud and clear. "Love is about giving, stop trying to get". The endless craving is an emotional wound. No amount of getting will fix anything, because getting things doesn't equate to emotional fulfillment. Apples to oranges.

>>5037278
>>5038660
And also, thank you for this post. Good reminder of not spiralling down that path again.

>>5037278
Sounds good, but doesn't apply to reality. Everything the OP said is true >>5036301, you guys are starting to adapt the reddit culture of sugarcoating, it's good for encouragement but years from now only a very few portion of this board is going to make it and you will remember this post.

>>5036357
I can tell you're not in the business, all this "love for art" is so cliche beginners throw it anywhere, you don't understand the sacrifice it takes yet. Check this guy for example >>5036754 .

>>5036301
so are you going to quit art?

>>5038694
Leave it to a retarded doomer to think anything resembling positivity is not based in le reality and rush off to shit out a reply.
>it's good for encouragement but years from now only a very few portion of this board is going to make it
It's as if you read every third word of their post and tried to guess what it said; you missed the entire point they were making. It's absurd how you managed to miss it by so much. I'm not going to even try dumb down what they said just for you because they already explained it well enough and you really need to read it over again.

>>5038767
Too legit.

>>5038777
pyw then

quit drawing or go visit /sig/, OP

>>5036301
>waaah waah I'm a faggot and these are my excuses

>>5036301
>waaah waah I'm a faggot and these are my excuses why everyone but me is at fault

>>5036357
Damn, most based post in a while.

>another brat in his 20s worrying about not being "good enough" and having art as a career
stop being a bitch

>>5036357
based and helpful

>ITT
>normies coping with their inability to genuinely enjoy a hobby
Just fucking draw or quit.

reminder that every single "based" poster ITT is a /beg/