/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Drawing with never be fun no matter how good you get. The process isn't fun. It's only fun when the product looks good.

>>4959025

>>4959025
If this is how it is for you, you should really find something else to do

>>4959025
You can still change. This is just a mindset, it's fine to walk into drawing with the wrong mindset. That's the entire point of learning.

I don’t care about the quality of my drawings. That’s why I always have fun

If drawing isnt fun. Dont draw...because it is fun for me since i was 2 years old. Never stop enjoying it.

>>4959024
ngmi

>>4959025
Im so glad im not like you. I enjoy the process of drawing probably more than the result. Ill sketch things every evening just to relax and often end up deleting the results or never showing anyone. Imagine not enjoying drawing at all, you should find a new hobby

>>4959024
I swear this very statement is a clear indication of NGMI, you have to enjoy it even if your work is shit, even if /ic/ is shitting on you. Otherwise it's not for you. There has to be a love for it man, this is cliche I know but it's true.

>>4959098
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>>4959120
What is this bullshit? You can't call yourself untalented and do bullshit like this. Where are the actual artists of /ic/? Please stand up.

>>4959120

what if u love it but have no fun doing it

>>4959134
then you don't love it, genius

why are you even drawing then?

>>4959024
when you can feel the form more often then not, you will start having fun drawing and stop snapping your leads scribbling in rage.

>>4959024
>drawing
>for fun

You don't lift for girls Anon. I do Art for myself, like a real Autist. Now that Wagner is dead, only I can achieve a gesamtkunstwerk.

For me, after so many years, it's actually becoming a sort of thrill-based reward system. Will this one drawing turn out to be a winner? What risks will I have to take in order to make it interesting?
It's really like any other hobby. You have to enjoy the risk-taking process or you'll be too afraid to grow. This means you'll have to accept the possibility of any single attempt being terrible in terms of the final result. But in the back of your mind lies the prospect that at some point, you'll pop off and make something impressive.
Like a video game!

>>4959024
"Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you."

>>4959024
i've been drawing for 6 years, still dead ass boring. around 8k ish hours clocked and it's still hell.

“Never be fun”
“How long til it’s fun”

you guys are a sad fucking bunch I tell you what

Pathetic

>>4959388
pyw

>>4959388
>>4959024
if you don't find it funny from the beginning it will never get funny

The fun will come after every slight improvement.
At first you will not see it but after some month you will, you will compare your old drawing with your new ones and be second-hand-shamed yourself to the ground.
It is like lifting, only drawing will take more time since it requires your mental power.

You have to go through the pain after all.
Just keep drawing. And have the good days in mind, since the feeling of finally reaching a final state will never happen, but rather a state of self-encouragement for your art and your improvement,you will start to treat your pencils like your friends, good and be patience wit them.

>>4959654
What if you never improve

>>4959664
You better start believing in God and pray for improvement while practicing, other option would be to pay $$$ and visit uni/academy,/e.g.

>>4959664
Whose fault is it if you don't improve? Think about it real hard buddy.

>>4959123
ignore them theyre happy to sit in the mud with the swines
only through blood and grit can you polish

>>4959024
Took me 1 year of intensive practice. At the beginning the measuring and the dexterity required made drawing exhausting. I am still not good, but the whole process is more second nature and I can focus on how to make things look good instead of focusing so much on hand eye coordination and proportions. Also helps if the end results aren't as embarassing.

>>4959123
>>4959680
You guys are literally caricatures of the retarded tryhard wannabe artists. Hanging out with other artists will show you that your mindset is idiotic. Yes, of course everybody wants to git gud. But you should do so in a way that is manageable and doable on a daily basis. If your experience drawing is similar to walking on broken glass, you are very likely to burn out and give up. It's all about the balance of making it fun and making it challenging.
You're just the opposite side of the "just have fun" coin, which is equally as wrong.

>>4959705
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>>4959705
those fags ain't gonna listen you, even if they make it they'll be frustated for the rest of their lives and feel like they are slaves of their work, the same shit as a salary man

>>4959025
>>4959024
I have always enjoyed drawing since I was a child.
Unless you place a high value on creating art, you should find another interest.

>>4959024
not very. gaining even the smallest insights can be fun.
but the thing is, most of the time you aren't having these A-HA moments and you have to work to get them in the first place.

that being said, it being fun or not is pretty irrelevant. you don't do it because its fun.

>>4959025
Just quit art right now.

>>4959025
This. People don't like to admit it but what they enjoy isn't the act of drawing, it's the feeling of having drawn something.

You just have to get to the point where you aren't ashamed of your work anymore.

>>4959851
you enjoy consuming art, not making it dumbass

>>4959851
Well, it's a bit unrealistic to think one will be proud of every piece they make. You do have a point regarding not being ashamed of one's work, though.
We are starting to reach semantics-level of arguments here. My final thoughts:
1) Don't just "draw for fun" if you want to be a professional. Challenge yourself.
2) Don't just do intense studies for 15 hours a day unless you sincerely enjoy it and can actually do it on a consistent basis without getting burnt out (rare).
3) The whole point of being a professional artist is to do something you actually enjoy while getting paid, and your journey should also reflect that. So, draw things you can see yourself drawing for hours on end every weekday.
I think these are quite agreeable.

>>4959025
i'm only having fun when i'm doing quick sketches. they look like shit, but its something i put my soul into, not my mind
when i need to put a lot of thought into something i just get depressed because i didn't have fun doing it, and the end result is shit because i'm not good enough

After working in design, information, and then law it’s really fun to draw anything. The fact that there’s an immediate result of my physical actions makes it satisfying no matter how retarded my /beg/ shit is.

>>4959024
>How good do you have to get for drawing to start being fun?
I don't see it as fun. I see it as a means to an end and it's very useful. If I need to learn something to get the job done, I do it. I end up liking skills because they are useful, but not because they're fun.

Having fun while drawing is completely up to you, kids can't draw for shit and have the time of their life drawing, masters are unsatisfied with their work well into their deaths.

If you're not satisfied now it's highly likely you never will be, unless you learn how to appreciate the work you make right now, whenever that now is. There is no ceiling, so learn how to have fun learning, and making mistakes, and not being satisfied, because that's all that awaits you.

>>4959024
If level 0 /beg/s can have fun drawing, you probably should too right now.

>>4959999
>>4959996
if you're not in elementary school and still enjoy drawing at /beg/ lvl 0 then you are not going to make it.

>>4959024
drawing should be fun to do anon. I'd say that it gets fun the moment you start drawing for you and discount the importance of the final product.

>>4959978
I'm saving this post for future generations

>>4959025
jesus christ what are you even doing here with that mindset?

fun is a myth
don't buy the lie

>>4959024
Somewhere north of 1,000 hours for me. It’s still not all that fun but it’s a lot more bearable now and I don’t feel like I’m forcing myself every time I sit down to draw. It’s gotten to the point where I have things I want to draw, and I know I can make at least some progress on them, and the desire to see the finished product is enough to naturally motivate me to draw, even though I’m still /beg/ level.

>>4959098
Whenever some chuckfuckle posts something like this, I always say, look at Alexander Diboine.

In fact, look at just about every professional artist. They all have the same mentality.

>>4959108
Ok hobby artist.

>>4960672
What mentality is that?

>>4960679
that the drawing process is inherently not fun.
Only /beg/ hobby artists who have never pushed themselves think its the opposite.

Now here comes the wave of cope...

>>4960679
If I had it all to do over again, I'd cut off my hands.
-wally wood

>>4959891
I’m the opposite. I can only be happy and have fun when I’m producing something that looks good, or I’m at least making progress towards something that looks good. I’ve tried the “just let go and have fun and don’t care” method and it’s just not how my brain works. I want to be a good artist too badly, and I hate producing shit and being reminded that I’m still shit.

Everyone should hate their drawings. If they become content, that means you are slowing down.

>>4960720
>not hating your drawings means you cannot criticize them
...what?

I swear this board is filled with angsty teenagers sometimes. Why do you fuckers even draw if you hate it so much?

Challenging yourself is fun. Drawing your best then looking back and finding ways to improve it is fun. Constantly learning and expanding your skill set is fun. If you hate it then find something your enjoy like wallowing in self pity. There's a reason most people on this board suck at drawing.

>>4960818
>Why do you fuckers even draw if you hate it so much?
Those guys are probably coomers hoping to get good enough to draw their own porn

>>4960802
That isn't what he said you retard.
'Hate' may be a little extreme, but he's absolutely right that you should never be 100% satisfied.

>>4960851
That is LITERALLY what he implied. He is equating having fun while drawing with artistic stagnation, if you agree with that sentence you're honestly a fucking loser

>>4959025
Pshh, the process is epic.
Way more fun, I don’t give a shit about the done work except for making sure my client gets what they want and will love.

>>4960672
Yeah the difference is that I don't draw for fun, I do it for money because that's what I get paid for to do. I still lowkey enjoy it
But the kids nagging here are mostly teens who will then go and have some "civilian" job doing something absolutely random. So yea, go fuck your self, moron

>>4959025
nigger I had fun drawing this

I love drawing!

>>4960818
this

>>4959025
despite how wrong this looks and how stupid this remark is, it hits on a kernel of truth that most of us dont like to really think about. maybe we have been teaching people all wrong, we have been telling people to get good over and over again for years now, but maybe what we needed to do was get people to understand the fun in the process. i know im usually not happy with how my stuff turns out, but the process is always so fun that i find myself drawing anyway.

>>4960951
gmi

attach story to your drawing to have fun

>>4960904
You clearly didn't read my post or look up Alexander Diboine because you pretty much just qoute for qoute typed out a response that was a greeing with me.
>moron
Oh, the irony. Stupid fuck.

>>4959025
Why the fuck would you ever get into art if you don't enjoy it? If you want social points go to the gym and work on your appearance, if you want easy money learn to code. Both take way less time and effort to give you results and are way more valuable in modern society.

Also it's not about having "fun", it's about focusing on something and forgetting for a few hours about your miserable life and existential dread, that's what it means to enjoy the process.

>ITT
>i hate drawing while being on the drawing board btw how do you render/draw/make lines like insert picture of anime girl here haha but i guess i dont have asian jeans or talent better make a thread about that but i also hate drawing better make another thread about that haha but drawing isnt fun if you havent mastered it already, better make a thread about that
Why won't normies gtfo my board?

>>4961033
It's mostly underaged weebs and coomers with ADHD who spend all day watching 2d porn and then complain that learning an actual skill is hard.

>>4960851
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