/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

How does one measure a square in perspective? Specifically a perfect square, not a rectangle.

>>4890963
that's complicated. You need to use a floorplan and stuff for that. Most good perspective books will cover it though. I like David Chelsea's books

>>4890963
A perfect circle can be inscribed into a perfect square

In perspective a perfect ellipse can be inscribed into a perfect trapezoid

>>4890959
How do i feel the forms when sketcking my fucking loomis heads
I understand the method and forms used mentally and know exactly where my guide lines and cut off should be, how large my thirds need to be, and how to rotate the forms at the angle they need to be but just cannot fucking translate it to the paper with my hand

>>4890989
If you can't translate it to paper, you can't visualize it as well as you think you can.

I have an intuos with 4 keys plus the pen with another 2.
Can you guys recommend me a good key setup for Photoshop?
Thanks, I have practiced Zbrush for a while so I'm having trouble remembering Photoshop and its shortcuts.

>>4890991
>draw circle
>two ellipses in alignment creating a sphere
>add the guide lines and cut into thirds based off forehead to eyes, eyes to mouth and mouth to jaw
>then chop off the side of the head to illustrate the flat plane that is the side of the head
>then bring the center line down another 1/4 and add the jawline
is my process fucked?

Quick question about photoshop, have they added a quick flip canvas view without flipping all the damn layers in newer versions?

My drawings look like shit when I ink w/ csp's gpen. Can I just ink with my pencil brush? Especially if I want to print my comics later on.

>>4890994
Depends on what kind of art you do.

I like to paint digitally, so If I had to use only six it would be these:
Alt: Color picker
Right click: Brush size
R: Rotate canvas
Space: Pan canvas
Shift: Straight edge
Alt + Ctrl + Z : Step backward


Others that I have bound:
Delete
Ctrl + T: Free transform
Ctrl + S: Save file (recent addition, after losing progress from crashes multiple times)
B: Brush tool

If I had more buttons I would add Ctrl + A (Select all), E (Eraser tool, sometimes I want to mess with the brush properties of the eraser quickly) and X (switch foreground and background color)

>>4891013
Image > Image Rotation > Flip Canvas Horizontal
Takes a while to process for a big image, and I don't know if there's a hotkey for it.
I use CS5.

Can I draw humans without stupid boxes and shieet

>>4891049
literally no

>>4891049
>can I draw extremely complicated forms without being able to draw the most basic forms possible?

why do the vast majority of zoomers draw mouths exactly like this? who the fuck started it?

>>4890963
Choose station point and left/right vanishing points, find diagonal vanishing point.

>>4891112
How do you determine station point? Is it equidistant between the two vanishing points? Is it arbitrary?

>>4891072
drawing humans through forms, not forms independently of humans

who wants to shit up a drawing using forms in the process?

>>4891145
Humans are made of forms.
No, you will never be able to draw a human if you don't understand how to break them down into simple forms.

>>4891139
Station point is arbitrary in the sense that you can place it at whatever distance from the horizon, just make sure it's far enough so you have enough space to draw your stuff (otherwise you'll have to draw really small or your drawings will look too distorted). Then you choose the rotation of your boxes and that should tell you where to place your vanishing points and where's your DVP.
Did a thing, hope it makes this easier to understand.
At least that's what I understood, if I'm wrong someone please chime in.

>>4891085
imitation; a common occurrence in stylized work.

Why did I start receiving mails from blacked.com? I have no pornhub account and don't even watch interracial

Is there any way to preserve the amount of paper I use when practicing? I only have one sketchbook, and no graphics tablet.

Do you guys imagine the colors as you're sketching the piece? Or is it something you figure out afterwards

>>4891469
Hmmm, copy paper is pretty darn cheap. Just have a trash bin nearby and throw it all away after.

>>4891397
Just be thankful and take advantage of the new reference material

>>4891486
Normally figure it out afterward.

>>4891383
Arbitrary along the X axis, but what about the Y axis? For instance, if the station point is far off to one side on the left or right, would it fuck up the perspective?
I appreciate the help and diagram, by the way.

>>4891549
>>4891383
Err, swap X and Y

Is grinding perspective really necessary? Figuring out what X shape looks like from Y angle seems like a mathematical question that has a mathematical answer. Like if you wanted to learn to bake cookies I suppose you could practice by throwing ingredients together and making dozens of bad batches until you got a feel for it, or you could save time and effort and just look up a recipe to get a ratio.

>>4891573
>grinding perspective
We mean freehand perspective. Not measured. Any idiot can learn instrumental perspective in a week. But how about sketching out a motorcycle freehand? Or laying in a desk inside a room you plotted out, with a chair turned on way and papers scattered all over? How do you relate everything without autistically plotting everything out for hours and hours? You just have to practice drawing those things a lot, without plotting them out.

>>4891573
>>4891581
You practice plotting it out to get a sense for how things are supposed to look, so that you don't have to plot it out later.

>>4891833
plotting it out won't do anything for you. It's more helpful to draw objects from life, to see how much convergence our eyes see in reality

>>4891838
>plotting it out won't do anything for you
What a dumb thing to say.
It's better to learn the rules than just to study their effects, anon.

In Photoshop, is there a way to switch from viewing the image to viewing the layer mask? It works fine if I want to paint in parts of an adjustment layer, but sometimes I want to actually know exactly the kind of mask I'm making.

>>4891549
>>4891552
If you place your SP too far to the left/right on your canvas you'll have less space to draw without distortion (because most of your canvas will be outside of the COV) and your drawing will look a bit unnatural, as if you had cropped a photograph. If I understand correctly, whenever you take a photo the SP is always horizontally centered with respect to the photo/canvas. So, strictly speaking, in all of your drawings the SP should be horizontally centered and the horizon should divide the canvas in half (for 1 and 2 point perspective).
I might be making this hard to follow, so watch Olson's lectures or read the second chapter on Robertson's book as well.

>>4891923
Awesome, this helps a lot, I appreciate it.

wtf is going on here? this just started happening to all brushes that use the "dual brush" setting

>>4892296
btw ofc other people have complained about it and adobe does nothing

are they purposefully making their software shit?

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop/bug-dual-brush-bug-21-2-2/td-p/11373783?page=1

>>4890959
Do I need to learn the anatomy , perspective and everything related from a realistic approach or just learn the basics
To be able to draw comic style (manga)

>>4892445
Those are the basics.

What is the best way to use deviantart on mobile? The official app sucks and the only other bearable one on the play store got taken down

am i wasting my time with this book? i was having fun until i read posts about loomis being bad :(

>>4893132
no one says loomis is bad besides crabs, learn to read the room

>>4893132
No its not bad, but one book not gonna help you- like you can read it in a hour or two dude

>>4891049
Literally yes- boxes(constuctions) are just for better and simpler understanding of forms in perspective

>>4891151
>you will never be able to draw a human if you don't understand how to break them down into simple forms.
But you dont need to draw forms if you experienced enough with it and can visualize it

>>4891486
It depends

>>4892445
>Those are the basics.
Fundamentals- https://cdn.conceptartempire.com/images/06/473/fundamental-skills-graph-chart.jpg

>>4893165
No anon, you still need to be ABLE to draw simple forms.

>>4893171
And you can only get that experience if you can understand the figure as simple forms first. You may not have to do CONSTRUCTION for every illustration as you improve, but you still need to be able to draw simple forms.

>>4893198
>ABLE to draw simple forms.
Well i meant/said the same

>>4893187
>perspective for animator listed as moderate
Stopped reading there.

>>4893199
You said "you don't need to draw forms", which is categorically untrue. You may have meant something different, but what you said is misleading to a beginner who is already inclined to try to skip the fundamentals.

>>4890963
You'll need a 45° triangle, 30-60-90 triangle, a straight edge, and a compass. There's a course on NMA about it by Erik Olson.

How to measure proportions and better place things on smaller canvas? Freehand i mean?

>>4892046
Glad to help. Godspeed.

Anyone knows who this is? They posted on beg last year and I'm wondering if they post anywhere else now

>>4893431
i can tell you that is not me at least

>>4891013
They've had the ability for years, Image/Image Rotation/Flip Canvas Horizontally or Flip Canvas Vertically. They just don't have keyboard commands assigned as a default.

>>4891872
Quickmask mode. Any time you have something selected, hit the Q key or the Quickmask icon on the Tool Bar at the bottom. The mask will display as a red mask, that you can edit with all of the editing/painting tools. When you're done, hit Q or the icon and it will go back to normal mode.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/create-temporary-quick-mask.html

>>4890959
Can I gitgud by studying coom art?

>>4893211
Just learn your fundies, nigger

>>4894145
Do you have brain damage? What does that have to do with my post, retard?

>>4890959
can somebody help me improve my rendering? I've got pretty clean ass line work that i'm proud of but I'm never proud of what I make after I start rendering. I can see what's wrong but am kind of clueless how to improve it. Any resources or a personal step by step would be greatly appreciated. love you guys, you're all gmi

Working on perspective. So does every box have its own set of vanishing points unless it lines up exactly with one above it? Trying to understand constructing humans from boxes but it seems like to be able to do that I’d have to already be able to draw people well without doing it. Is pic related just me being memed?

>>4894403
ps this is what I mean about boxes above each other sharing the same vanishing points. Like if I was drawing a robot and the top boxes are a head and a chest. If I want to do arms at 45 degree angle downwards, both arms would have their own set of vanishing points?

>>4894410
Fuck picture didn’t upload

>>4894403
>>4894410
correct. edges will only share a vanishing point if they're parallel.
that's why things like buildings are used for perspective examples, lot of parallel lines. if you try and map out a mannequin it's going to be a damn spider web.

>>4894403
also, you're not getting memed. a handful of boxes/cylinder are way easier to draw than a figure, it's basically step 2 of vilppu after gesture.

>>4894417
>>4894422

Thanks for the quick response. See I can kind of wrap my head around how something like pic related because it looks complicated but it’s all balanced using guidelines, the legs are the same height, it’s kinda symmetrical etc but with drawing humans doing any kind of natural pose all the boxes are basically random directions

>>4894425
>with drawing humans doing any kind of natural pose all the boxes are basically random direction
well yeah, that's why it's step 2, the step 1 of gesture is figuring out the main directions things are going.

that's also why people recommend things like spinning around boxes/cylinders to get a more intuitive feel so you're able to freely manipulate them.

Does the sinix's method for drawing faces actually work?

>>4894330
Digital?

>>4894438
Got it, thankyou for the help

>>4894443
anything that gets you to draw and think about what you're doing works

you're the one who's drawing, not the method

How do you guys decide the canvas size of your pieces?

>>4894689
4k minimun, change to 8k when that becomes the norm for high mid class normies

>>4894715
I meant more in terms of length x height, but using a 4k aspect ratio to match people's display seems smart. Thank you for the advice.

I have two questions, sorry if they are extremely /beg/ tier, maybe I should fo there to ask but here I go:

If I am copying drawings to practice and I try to construct them with basic shapes, they never look accurate, but I do not want to copy just for the sake of copying, is this normal? I think this is happening because I am unable to understand and measure the basic underlying shape. Should I keep copying drawings this way or should I try to be more accurate copying without construction?

What would you recommend to someone that is struggling drawing the same face twice? I tried to draw faces from different angles and my character never looked the same.

Sorry for my english, drawing is not the only thing I am trying to get better at

This comic just reminded me this sort of setting exists. I've never really been interested in drawing backgrounds, buildings, landscapes, etc, but if I start just drawing everyday objects and making houses and stuff out of them can that teach me how to draw buildings overtime?

Any ideas on where I can find illustrated fairy tale books to download?

>>4894833
Already tried Libgen

>>4894776
you could probably draw some interesting fantasy buildings by then, so yes

I'm looking for an artist forgot his name, his art was posted here months ago if I wasn't mistake it was super woman related and there was alot of painting posted but didnt save them. The post was about something western artist can't draw woman's right or something and this guy art was in the op
I'm not sure but maybe he was Russian or something

>>4894983
was it a purple wonder woman?

>>4894999
I'm sorry anon I meant supergirl the thread was really old maybe last year the rendering was like Pic, but I think she had pixie haircut, there were couple of them in the thread by the same artist, I already searched Google pintrest and art Station I doubt I can find it, anyway thanks for the help.

>>4894726
>>4894715
What? No.

Canvas size should be based on print. Standard printing resolution is 300 dpi, from there you pick what size you want it to be in inches, or a proprtional size larger than that. It's always best to work larger than you need, because you can always shrink your art without any problem, but you can't blow it up without losing resolution.

Anyone here has successfully extended their ram? My laptops ram is currently at 4gb, not a whole lot since every time I tried to open both photoshop and chrome they tend to freeze the shit out of my laptop. Asking cuz I saw a bunch of people do this but I'm not very tech-savvy, so I don't know what the results are gonna be.

>>4895283
check if your laptop isn't soldered first

>>4895293
Just checked, thank god it's not soldered.

>>4895283
I don't know about laptops but in my stationary you just buy sticks of the same type and brand and plug it in, not much to it

>>4895346
yes, do this

If I want to draw eastern art, not manga/anime, but more like ukioye and such, is it better to study western art and its methods, or study manga/anime and its methods?

This is a poorly worded question, but only comes up because there are virtually zero resources as far as I know, for drawing eastern style people/settings that isn’t Intro To Catgirls and the like.

>>4890959
Where do I buy illustration board in europe equivalent to Crescent #100? Importing from the states is too expensive.

does anyone know the source of this img?

>>4895405
To learn to imitate a specific style, just do master studies of that style.
To learn alterntive techniques you have to study art history.

Though I want to be clear that you need to learn the fundamentals to be able to do that stuff anyway.

can someone teach me on how to use this thing?

>>4895700
Do you have any specific questions? It's pretty self explanatory

>>4895700
I don't really get how it works but do this

>>4894866
>>4894833
did you try the comics section on libgen too? sometimes collections are uploaded just as cbzs, i know there are a few rackhams there.

how do i into color/painting as a shitter thats only ever drawn/sketched

>>4891486
Everyone is different. I will be thinking about color while sketching, or I'll have a final image in mind. If I'm unsure, I'll do color comps to try different combinations and moods. (Color comps are very basic blobs of color with just major areas blocked out, no details.

Each piece can be a different route. I usually block in black and white in the sketch phase, and work out color between that and the final. Or i start with a neutral mid tone as the background and work from there.

Besides, a landscape or a still life is going to be a different process than a cartoon strip or fantasy/sci fi illustration.

>>4895468
You really need to work a little harder, if you can't even do a simple google for art supplies. Crescent has made and sold their products in the EU for a long time.

https://www.jacksonsart.com/surface/paper-card/paper-boards?manufacturer=12477

https://www.crescent-europe.com/aboutus

How do I get even just 1k followers on Twitter? I make good art (or at least it's good enough compared to people with many followers) and I make art often enough.

>>4895870
Just do it. Apply brush to image. If you're working digitally, you have no excuse to have not just made a later and tried.

You won't get anywhere needing this level of hand holding. If you can't simply try something, then I'd suggest another hobby/pursuit.

>>4894467
yep. clip studio paint

>>4895704
im an idiot, so i have zero idea how to use stuff like this

>>4895771
okay

>>4896145
do fanart
find some friends and have a genuine relationship
if you want a big name, let them come to you.

>>4896336
Use a large, hard edge brush, pressure opacity and flow (I believe this is called 'density' in CSP), high opacity, low flow.
Aside from that, just learn how light and color works and practice.

>>4896380
its just the relationship between the hardware pressure and software pressure
for example take this blue point in the graph. this means that if you physically press down on your pen at 50% of its max capacity, csp will read that as 25% pressure instead.
then just interpolate the rest and you should get a good feel of how it works

I'm new to this board. Are lots of threads about careers and artist lifestyles, i.e. how to support ourselves?

Where do I post sculpture work on this board?I mostly do anime shit so posting in /trad/ feels weird.

what's the best source to learn all the (visible) muscles?

fuck legs honestly especially the quads
i can draw leg pretty fine i guess from behind, side view even from imagination.
but when it comes to front view the quads looks like shit.
my process is this i do gesture then construct them into simple tube, extend a line for the sartorius muscle to separate quads from adductors then find the edges where is the knee start and figure out the perspective.
now when it comes to drawing the quads they look so bad.
any help ?? i wattched proko, hampton book and vid, and glenn

>>4896146
thats a lot of projection my man. i was more so asking for exercises and resources

>just draw
doesn't work without direction

>always sucked at drawing
>want to properly learn how to draw just so I can make lewd vidya fanart
Do I have a chance, bros? I'm willing to put in a lot of effort to get to where I want to be.

>>4897073
>>want to properly learn how to draw just so I can make lewd vidya fanart
>Do I have a chance, bros?


Nope

>>4897002
>doesn't work without direction
Start with left and when you’re comfortable with that move on to right.

>>4897002
No, he's right, your question was too nebulous and vague to get any specific response. You really do just need to get started and fail upwards.
Learn what you need to learn by testing what you understand already. Try SOMETHING, then ask for critique on that, then get direction for study from there.

>>4897073
Sure, if you work hard and have patience.

>>4895835
Sweet ty

Just starting to learn how to digitally paint. So far everything is very new to me and I feel kinda lost during the process...What do you guys usually do when you first started digital painting? Are there anything i needed to know as a novice? Thank you in advance!!

>>4897283
We can't help you without more context. What specifically are you struggling with?

>>4897286
Well, i am currently struggling with greyscale and lighting. Fundies aside, i also wanted to learn how to effectively use the tools and learn more tricks on photoshop.

>>4897427
What about greyscale are you struggling with? Are you having trouble with value changes? Mark making? Different kinds of edges? Is it the tool specifically you are unfamiliar with, or painting as a whole?
You say "fundies aside", but does that mean you already have a grasp of the fundamentals of drawing, or does it mean you're trying to skip them?
If you don't have a strong understanding of form and perspective, then you won't be able to light a scene for shit.
If you don't know how light and shadow works, you won't be able to wrap your head around rendering.
No "photoshop tricks" will help you if you don't already have the knowledge you need.

I need a place to get references, faces and poses but it can't be one where you choose, I'm struggling with OCD and the concept of a choice is dangerous, if it's random I can do it most of the time. Quickposes is good for gesture, designed to but I need something else

how can i replicate this brush for the line art?

>>4897470
hard round brush and zoom tool

>>4897470
it's not a lineart, he paints it from start to finish, he has a youtube channel with speedpaints, go watch them

>>4890959
When do I get to draw cartoons?

>>4897443
I think you probably misunderstand what i have said. I understand completely that fundies are important and are the very core of every painting, because without fundies your artwork is pretty much shit. What i meant is i also wanted to coperate the built in tool inside of photoshop, or to be familiar with them to say the least and coperate them to my painting. Sometimes my wording is a little off because im a sleep deprived pos that doesnt proof read anything...Im struggling with different kinds of edges and value changes. Hope this will clear things up a bit, thank you for your patience.

>>4897473
lol, thanks...
>>4897499
maybe I just don't know how to ask it, since i'm new to this, but i see a lot of people who draw use this softer look for their art and wanna try and learn how to do it.
I'll check the check it out

How do I draw figures of different heights on the same plane? My issue is shrinking the overall figure to look smaller, retain proportions and be relative to the main figure, cutting in the same place on the horizon.

>>4891033
>>4893468

No, I'm not talking about physically flipping the canvas and all its layers everytime, but simply flipping the view, like in Clip studio. The problem with doing that in Ps, is that it requires processing power, so files above 300+ dpi will have (relatively short) load times, and that seriously affect work flow for someone like me that loves flipping the canvas a lot, even multiple times in a row.

at 600+ dpi that shit becomes a nightmare, even on top processors, and considering there's requirements of up to 1200dpi in the industry I just don't understand why Ps doesn't have that feature yet, it's ridiculous. It doesn't matter how many dpi you're working with in csp, it's an instant flip because no layer had to be processed.

>30yo software btw

>>4897506
see
>>4896385

Watch Marco Bucci's video on edges, then just experiment with it. The best way to learn a tool is just to try to use it.

Any tips with coming up with a good Alias?

I don't want it to be completely random, but I also don't want it to be the type of name I would "normally" use.

I plan to keep most of my /beg/ and coomer art separate from me personally. If I ever actually do commissions, the same will apply here, but I'm far off from that anyway.

Maybe when I'm not terrible I'll post some non-coomer art from my "normal" accounts though too..

>>4897473
shut the fuck up

After becoming some what decent at figure drawing, how to I start painting like Pic. I'm drawing in digital and I have no idea how to paint I only know basic light and shadow stuff I want some resources that teaches me the techniques, brushes to use, etc to paint like this.
Thanks

>>4897687
More stuff.

>>4890959
Is there a way to get accurate drawings without having to measure every 5 seconds?

>>4897695
where is this from?

>>4897687
ctrl paint, gurney's book, youtube tutorials on digital painting, marco bucci.

If I'm drawing digitally, should I bother trying to make straight lines by hand if I'm drawing mechanical objects or is it a skill I should try to develop? I can do them on paper fine by ghosting, but I can't seem to get it digitally

>>4897687
OWO *notices your bulge*
OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK?!

>>4897770
Rotate your canvas, adjust your posture, and get used to the smoothness of the tablet.

>>4895270
Ah, Thanks for the advice anon.

>>4890959
should i delete sketches on instagram when i upload an updated version? better to show progress or have a clean concise presentation?

>>4890959
Does anyone have with scanning black glossy paper? I'm trying to clean pages of a book but I''ve been stuck on
this one page for hours.

>>4898050
*have experience

i remembered this artist called seth he draws a lot of cool sketches on twitter but i forgot his exact name
his style is like a mix of anime and cartoon
anyone can help me out?

>>4898738
never mind, i found it
it's bkrbnr
but FUCK he deleted his old works does anyone has an archive of his older stuff?

>>4893171
>if you experienced enough with it
Well guess what

>>4890959
I currently having trouble with shading my drawing, traditionally. I can understand light & shadow in theory, but have no idea how to properly apply it.
Youtube tutorials only have example of pure white objects, how do you guys deal with local color? Do you work generally from light tones to dark, or go straight to the darkest? Also how do you decide how dark an area is on the value scale? Is this something comes with experiences?
Any tips and tutorials would be greatly appreciated.

>>4898810
>I can understand light & shadow in theory, but have no idea how to properly apply it.
Then you don't actually understand it well enough.

>Youtube tutorials only have example of pure white objects
Because that's the simplest way to communicate the concept. If you can't get a firm grasp on that, you shouldn't move on.

>how do you guys deal with local color?
The same way, but with hue and saturation modified as well based on the material and the lighting conditions.

>Do you work generally from light tones to dark, or go straight to the darkest?
This is highly dependent on medium.
The most popular method for digital painting, for instance is starting with the midtones and adding shadow and highlight on top.
For watercolor you are more or less forced to plot out the highlights first. Graphite drawings can be similar, but you can also erase midtones to get highlights.

>Also how do you decide how dark an area is on the value scale? Is this something comes with experiences?
You need more knowledge and experience, yes. Specifically you need to work on your ability to identify a given color and accurately assess what the attributes of that color are. I would highly recommend using digital as a learning tool for this, since you can get precise information about a given color.

How much can you change about a characters original artstyle/outfit/looks before it becomes unrecognizable as the original?

>>4898981
Touhou's soul is in its hat, for example.

>>4896618
Nope- its about same topics over and over again- some of them good- rarely tho
So its about learning and beg shitposting

>>4896808
Mirror

>>4896808
Buy anatomical sculpture

>>4897073
Do it nibba

Every thread/post on /ic/ is saying how we should be drawing circles to form heads, gestures, etc. but when I watch professional illustrators and artist tutorials on YouTube, there’s not a Loomis/Vilppu/Huston circle to be seen. It all seems free handed for the most part. Is this a matter of having done billions of Loomis circles in the past, to the point of no longer needing those training wheels to get the correct proportions? Eventually you can just start with the jaw and the rest falls in place once you’ve internalized the fundamentals?

>>4899155
>Is this a matter of having done billions of Loomis circles in the past, to the point of no longer needing those training wheels to get the correct proportions?

Yes but there are a smaller number of people that just grind observational drawing. Not the best idea for most people generally speaking, literally think of it like training wheels. You don’t just throw a kid on an adult bike and make them deal with it

>>4899155
Construction, first and foremost, is practiced to improve how you think. If you can think of a head as a 3D form and can already understand it from all angles, you may not need construction, at least not all the time. Remember, drawing is 90% mental, so the goal is to train your mind.

>>4897217
Retarded useless water

>>4897462
>concept of a choice is dangerous
Dont be stupid- fuck your OCD i have it too
Or you ngmi

>>4898898
Thanks anon.
I was afraid I'm missing some knowledges here, but it seems like I just need to practice more.

Can I charge money for my drawings? Is this shit or is it monetizable yet? How much can I charge for something like this? I wanna quit the fuck out of my day job and I'm gonna keep studying my fundies until I can do that.

>>4899155
/ic, for the most part, is amatures and beginners fumbling their way through art education with no map, in an unlit room, why would you cater to what this forum says, over what professional artists do? That's not intended as an insult, it's just fact - few posters here are professional artists. Few are published. The vast majority of posters here are people mired in "fundies" because they don't know how to level past them and move on. Entirely too much attention and focus is paid to beginning steps that in a formal art educational setting are left behind fairly quickly - 4th year studio discipline art students aren't doing "fundies", they're working on and completing finished works - but all too often I see people posting about still "grinding' fundamental first steps for years.

Moving on, not every drawing needs to be constructed. A lot of landscape artists simply establish some landmarks, and start building the scene and tweak as they go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ_CSj8kaHw

Other artists will use construction techniques in their exploratory sketches and studies, before starting a final painting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce7leNdACKk

Construction is a tool. Sometimes it's usefull, sometimes you don't need it. But there's a large group of beginners here, who think everything you draw has to conform to some made up 'rules" they made up in their minds (autists like structure). They're so rigid in their thinking they can't get past "perfection" and get into expressive drawing. They treat art like mechanical drawing.

>Is this a matter of having done billions of Loomis circles in the past, to the point of no longer needing those training wheels to get the correct proportions?

Yes. When you become so familiar with the process and forms, you can just establish some landmarks and go from there. It's 'training wheels' in a sense - but it's also a tool, in a big toolbox, that you don't use that much later on, but it's there if you need it.

>>4899266
No

>>4899164
>>4899178
>>4899491

Thanks guys. I think I’ve been getting overly bogged down in fundamentals and forgetting to experiment a little and to use them as a guide.

I keep drawing coomer art but I don’t want to. It’s just that shit comes to me more readily. I want to get out of a rut.

>>4899661
Sorry. HOW do I get out of this rut?

>>4899662
Consume media that isn’t porn. Read a book. Watch a movie. Get inspired. Write down things you think are cool. Eventually you’ll come across an idea you actually feel like executing

>>4899491
I didn't think there was someone sane in /ic/. This post should be in the sticky.

What's the best angle to draw a leglock mating press position that shows the characters expressions?

If I want to sketch out my drawings on paper with pencil and then take a picture, import, and trace over it digitally with an ink-like tool does it matter how big the sketchbook or how big the actual sketch actually was? I like smaller sketchbooks

Where am I supposed to look when drawing a line? Do I follow the line with my eyes I draw it? Do look at the endpoint where I want the line to end and then drag my pencil to that point?


Do I try to 'zoom out' and look at the drawing as a whole? If so how the heck do I do that? Am I supposed to be using my peripheral vision and just staring at the center of the page?

>>4890959
I have to mantain my college studies and doing shit for social media (i'm aspiring to have an audience in order to get commisions) at the same time, how can I get better at organization? any advice on this, please?

when drawing traditionally, how do I avoid a mess when drawing shapes and forms for when I do my final line? I always end up with a mess as I feel out a pose.

On digital it's easy as I can just erase completely without an eraser trace.

>>4891015
If you're printing in only black/white you'll need to make sure the lines are aliased (no grey) which can be done either by converting the layer or turning off anti-aliasing on the brush. So as long as your lines look good/clean enough you can ink with whatever you please.
>>4893106
Don't use deviantart.
>>4899266
No need to ask, just do it. If you have time to study fundies then you have time to open commissions or start your patreon or apply to job listings or network. Don't be afraid of failure, keep at it and don't let that hold you back
>>4900068
I'm in the same boat anon. What I do is sketch/thumbnails during class when the professor isn't saying much (easier since covid). Try to interact on social media, comment and like posts when you're already browsing it. Any time you spend in transit, eating, morning routine, hanging with friends, see if you can use part of it for art or getting drawing ideas. Cut all but one of your video games out during the semester (less is better). And if you're a chronic procrastinator like me make sure you don't leave your homework aside for art..
>>4900152
Sketch lighter, and try to rely less on your guidelines when drawing. You can also do two copies of the drawing--one to find the form/anatomy and then draw it again without guidelines.

massive long shot here and i don't really know where else to put this, but can anyone recall a painting of a shirtless ginger(?) bearded man casting spell/performing some sort of magic?
it was very photorealistic and had the feeling of a crazy guy practicing the dark arts in his garage, and had rendering like zack zdrale (pictured) or phil hale. i remember seeing it on this board ages ago and only now recalled it. thought it was cool. pls respond

I have lost my old art that was uploaded on postimg.org back in 2015

I've got the link to art but the page is not found. Is there a way for me to restore it? I can see that it's been archived using webarchive but the image wont load.

thanks

How do you take good photos of your artwork? What postprocessing do you apply before posting them online? I want to do mostly b/w ink drawings and the result should look as clean as possible (like scanlated manga pages). Should I just use a scanner?

>>4900053
You're overthinking this way, way, way too much.

What are these?

every day I wonder what the ratio of neet/young/hobbyist/professional/freelance artists is on twitter
like there is no way there is jobs for all these mfs

>>4899182
Dumbfuck. Try something first, then find ask us questions about what you don't understand.
Or just give up since you are obviously too paralyzed with fear to make your own decisions.

>>4900212
Thanks anon!

>>4890959
If I wanted to only draw anime bodies, should i just jump right into it, or sure I learn how to draw a normal human body before I get into more anime-ish bodies? Feel like this is a no brainer, but asking just in case.

>>4890959
Does inktober mean that you skip pencil and draw with ink? Or is it just trying to post a drawing everyday for the month?

>>4901038
You need to learn the fundamentals first. Anime, like all art styles, is just a variation on the fundamentals.

>>4901038
Practice drawing the normal human figure but don't fall into the trap of waiting until you are "good enough" to start drawing anime bodies.
You can jump right into drawing anime (and you should if it gives you enjoyment and fun) but to understand what you are copying it's important to learn the fundamentals as well.

>>4900613
My lines keep coming out skewed and I can't figure out why. I'm having trouble lining things up horizontally on the canvas, it only becomes apparent when I flip the canvas. It's making me paranoid that if I can't get simple things like that right, how am I supposed to draw from ref?

Is it possible to digitally color with Photoshop using only a mouse? I don't have a tablet, so I scanned my shit and opened it with PS. Thing is, I'm not sure how uh, physicall move my hands? To start. Like, I do bucket tool for basic coloring but then what? How do I start shading or adding lighting changes and occlusion and whatever if my mouse movement isn't as precise as just having a pencil?

Should I just use color pencils for now?

How do i make comics out of a small sketchbook?

>>4890959
How do I learn color? I know I need to learn color theory but how do I apply it to my drawings?

>>4901063
Just trying to do something every day. Some people like to use it as a challenge to skip the pencil sketch and dive into ink, but many people do an underdrawing and then ink over top of it. It's more to explore ink as a medium for people who rarely use physical ink, and to help build the habit of drawing every day.
>>4899977
Not particularly, no. The drawing can be blown up to any size you're comfortable with digitally, though the picture quality may not be the best if your drawings are tiny.

>>4902670
>Is it possible to digitally color with Photoshop using only a mouse?
Of course it is, it's just much less convenient.

>Thing is, I'm not sure how uh, physicall move my hands?
Don't overthink it, just start playing with the tools you have available, and if you don't get how to use a specific tool or accomplish a specific thing, then ask for help.

>>4903290
Not really sure what you're asking.

do you people have jobs? serious question, I was wondering how many of you are living purely under some paysite. if you have both a paysite and a job, how do you balance both? are your actual jobs perhaps aren't as demanding?

>>4903290
By working with color. Start with the basics - blue sky, red ball, etc. Move up into lighting, and how it impacts color. Learn to render something in color using value and hue. Then work on integrating color into depth, and volume. Then move into using color for narrative, and emotion, and working on an overall color composition, for color and unity.

Baby steps, bigs steps, running. It's no different than anything else in art.

Get Gurney's book on color. That's an excellent place to start.

My first oil painting class started us off this way:

Take a canvas panel or primed page. Divide it into quarters. Get a brown sandwich bag, crumple it up, place on table. Sketch 4 times. Then paint it, 4 different ways:

Black and white
One color and white.
Two complementary colors, like green/red
Real colors

The point was to introduce us to color, hue, value, and thinking in different terms than what it actually looks like. The hardest part for most of us was translating the values and hues into two colors, but it was a good way to force us to see color differently. There was no right/wrong to the exercise, and accuracy wasn't a goal either, it was diving in and focusing on color. The object didn't matter, it can be anything, he told us he chose a brown paper bag because they're common, simple, and cheap, and one solid color.

Just use color. It's that simple. It's how you learn - every art student ever plows through piles of paper and ink and paint and whatever learning how, by simply trying. It's painting a red ball, and saying okay, it's a flat red circle, how do I give this volume, texture and lighting so it looks like a real red ball? And not getting mired in "omgthishastobeperfectthefirstimeanxietyimafraidtotry" nonsense that fills /ic.

Just try it. So how far you can get with simple objects. When you get stuck, ask more questions.

>>4898810
I start with the mid-tones. That way, I can work towards the lights and darks, and they're not set in stone, where I can't adjust.

Local color is local color. You have to think it out, if you're not using reference, or mental libraries of lighting.

Basic shading is simple: Object, light source. Plot how the light interacts with the object, and where the cast shadows would be. Almost every basic class I've witnessed starts out with simple cubes and one light source. Start there.

Deciding the darkest values is an artistic choice, that come with experience, yes. That will come with time and experience. You're putting the cart before the horse if you're still dealing with the beginning steps.

>>4898981
The legal standard is, when someone who looks at your character, and doesn't say "That's [other character]", it's fine.

What's the first thing you remember drawing? I remember drawing a picture of a man killing me back when I was in kindergarten because I wanted to die due to all the bullying. I know I'll be accused of cringe for this, but it's the truth.

AGGGGGHHHHH
i hate doing tone on my figures, i saw glenn modeling tone and direct light, i understand the concept but i just cant apply it. especially round forms the core and shadow side looks so fucked.
help

>>4903409
>Two complementary colors, like green/red
No man.
This post is right otherwise, but you should really learn your complements.

How do I draw for fun again?

>>4904299
draw the things you like to draw, some character you like, or a person you admire, maybe you like motorcycles, or swords, don't thing to much about it and just doodle for fun, it sounds stupid but i hope it helps you

is 24 too late to make it, and by make it i dont mean insanely successful, but making enough to barely live by

What can I do to get my art to look like this
Yeah I know loomis and whatnot, but This messy paint-ish look. I like it.

>>4904307
If you think age is a huge factor you're already NGMI

I've tried everything. How the hell do you go from the left drawing to the right?

>>4904307
Age only matters in that we have a limited amount of time on earth. If you don't expect to live 10 more years, then you may not have time to get skilled, but otherwise it really doesn't matter. Just practice, take it seriously, and don't make excuses for yourself.

>>4904311
You obviously haven't tried everything.
Are you able to draw the left or are you trying to render without knowing how to draw?

>>4890959
do i really need to abuse of the stabilizer or external programs to have a good lineart? if i do fast lines i loose the control of my lines, if i do slow lines my pulse ruins the line and if i try a balanced speed my digital pen starts to shake, wsid?

>>4904317
I'm able to draw the left picture, but I can't figure out how to do the coloring of the right picture in digital. I'm only able to do flat coloring and adding one darker color for shading.

>>4904339
Start with simple forms and value first.
You need to learn how light and shadow works.

>>4904344
Do I need to know anything about blending, blur or is adding highlights and shadow done with the eyedrop tool or the "multiply" layer?

>>4904356
Don't worry about any of that for now.
Use the brush tool and flat colors while you learn.

What is the best site/resource/video/etc. to get a full 360 degree view of a young (or older) woman's head? I know I can use movies, news, porn, and youtubers/streamers to get different angles, but what are some other ways (again resources or just different professions I might be forgetting that offer a lot of views of a person) outside of life drawing? I'm most interested in getting a lot of angles of a single person so I can consistently draw them. I'm even willing to pay models for a video or pictures if you guys know where I can do that.

Pictures are fine too but I feel like video is better since you can get thousands of angles from one source versus tons of pictures

>>4890959
How much trouble would I get in if I get some line art from the internet, put some colours on it, and put it on something like pic related?

>>4890959
Do only good artists post their art or is my art mega trash?

>>4905313
Why not just make it?

>>4904581
http://www.posemaniacs.com/
https://vimeo.com/channels/croquiscafe360/videos
There's nudity.

>>4905344
I haven't drawn to a semi-decent level before in my life, and I'm only able to put on flat colours.

>>4903630
I still remember vividly my first drawing memory is when I tried to draw the Hindu god Shiva dancing based on a picture in my textbook, during elementary school.

>>4894730
Nothing's wrong with the fact that your drawing looks a little different from reference. If you want to achieve higher accuracy, consider checking your drawing against reference more often, or even tracing your reference and deconstructing the traced image into simple shapes.
>>4890963
>>4891383
>>4891923
Been trying to figure this out lately, thanks for the explanation.

>>4890959
This is a very dumb question, but how much perspective do I need to know to draw the head in a box? I’m doing Huston and Hampton’s head drawing methods and they use boxy forms to construct the head and I’ve been struggling like hell to do this. Do I need to learn deep perspective or just keep drawing boxes? This has been frustrating me

>>4905477
You need to be able to rotate a box.

>>4905537
Got it. So should I just keep studying perspective like I’ve been doing or should I focus primarily on drawing boxes?

Does anyone have good alternatives to the paper in Moleskine's Art sketchbook? I love how thick the paper is and the smoothness is perfect for graphite work. A looseleaf drawing pad would be ideal.

>>4905538
You can't draw boxes without studying perspective. Study perspective until you can comfortably rotate a box and a cylinder.
Remember, you can use a box to find a cyllinder, or any other form.

>>4901229
Same problem here, help.

>>4904141
Tell that to the teacher, that's what he assigned.

You'll probably have to dig him up, he was old, back then.

>>4890959
How do I git gud at drawing?

>>4905905
>>4901229
No one draws perfect lines on the first try. Try ghosting more, and don't be afraid to fix mistakes.
You'll get better with practice, but you won't ever be perfect, so don't stress it too much.

>>4905974
I would if I could, it's a tragedy that so much misinformation is circulated about color.
I butted heads with my professors on that topic when I was in school.

Is it okay to trace coomer art? What if I trace and add variations to make it my own?

Should I add something to the right side? or is this okie as is?
this is a sketch for some pixel art I wanted to do for the start of spoopy season.

>>4906109
It's not even about perfect lines. When I'm doing a sketch of a face for instance, I'll just roughly draw in the position of the eyes and everything looks good, but when I flip the image, the eyes aren't even, one is noticeably higher on the horizontal plane. This fucks with me pretty hard because it makes me think none of the lines/shapes I draw look how I actually think they do. How the hell am I supposed to draw from ref if I can't draw two ovals beside eachother.

Would you/have you ever drawn something political, /ic/?

Is there is anyway to render/shade figures like glenn in digital medium ? i tried it but it looks so unnatural and artificial. any tips on this ?

>>4906833
Lolis are extremely politically incorrect, so yes

>>4906833
All art is political, so yes.

>>4906833
God no, politics are so fucking gay.
I abstain completely.

>>4906906
Sick of this dumb extremist meme.

>>4906883
Just need a good pencil brush with a nice convincing texture

>>4890959
Did you guys learn how to quick sketch? Most of the time when I draw I feel like I spend too much time on details but it might not end up right. Should I focus more on doing a lot in a short amount of time and getting more results I.e figure drawing ?

>>4906998
Practice gesture drawing.

>>4907002
Okay. When I first started out I tried Hampton’s but it was a bit overwhelming, are there any other simpler methods I should try?

>>4907007
Hampton seems as good as anything else. It isn't rocket surgery, just do 30 second poses with swooping motions, you'll get the hang of it quickly.
The idea is to loosen up and see the motion of the figure.

>>4907017
Alright thanks

>>4890959
I'm looking to get a tablet, but I always assume I'll get the worst review of any product: Are stuff like the Huion KAMVAS and such good alternatives? I'm not a professional artist, so I don't need industry-grade whatever, I just want to draw on a tablet for fun.

>>4890959
I was learning the head and when they mentioned boxing the head I stopped learning it and am trying to learn perspective. Should I stop learning everything to master perspective or just keep learning perspective along side the head and the body?

what are these two shading styles and how do I learn them?

>>4907282
It's okay to learn multiple things at once, just make sure you're focusing on perspective for a while.

>>4907372
That isn't 'shading', it's rendering, and they're two completely different styles.
Most styles don't have names, so don't worry about that.
But you'll need to learn to draw first.

>>4907380
Ok then. Know any good rendering resources then?

Is this anatomy “accurate”? Torso and legs seem kind of long.
I mean I get its stylized but still, is it accurate?

>>4907470
No. And I hope you're trolling otherwise you might be mentally retarded.

>>4907493
Ok follow-up question: does it look good though? Would it look better if it were “accurate”?

>>4907372
The art in the left. Made by Haccan I believe? His process is in the Japanese Comickers 2

>>4907414
That won't help you until you know how to draw.

>>4907499
If the anatomy reconciles with the actual visual intention, which here is to show a slim and soft female body you'd love to run your fingers over with prominently shown supple breasts and and a puffy pussy, yes it would.

Going in and defining taut tendons or making a lot of overlapping folds of fat and muscle like in some Vilppu bodies would destroy that impression.
Going in to show more anatomical forms of the feet, which look like toeless blobs of flesh, especially thanks to how the shoes wrap around them and how the breasts would be pulled by the muscles and tendons, that may or may not show up as a surface form softened by fat and skin, that pull up when you raise your arms up would improve the picture since they align with and empower the visual presentation.

>I wanna start doing comissions after i saw someone mention they paid 50 bucks for what i consider a low level /beg/ tier drawing
>I start promoting my work and tell people im open for comission work, people tell me the art is really good but they have no money or they are not interested
>mm what if i use a mascot like character to promote my stuff?
>what if i make the character a girl?
>start talking online using this character as my profile pic
>mention i do art comissions
>immediately 2 guys pm me to request something
>one of them actually gets into details about his request and after we agree on the payment method he says "thanks ma'am"
>wait, what? these retards, they think im a girl

How fucked up would it be to go on like this, just letting people believe whatever they wanna believe when they see art on my socual media, just change to a more ambiguous username and use a clearly female character as profile pic

>>4907773
go for it. who cares if they believe you're a girl.

>>4907773
I got a new reddit account with a girly username, and I get a ton of dm's now. Shits fucked up.

>>4907773
You could already prep for the Twitter drama that hits you once you attain success

How do i paint like this?

>>4908014
Chicken scratch+ brush for this
Thats it

>>4890959
How do I learn curvilinear perspective? any resources on It?

>>4907520
thanks anon

>>4908042
-prospettiva zerosei
-antonio arauojo's papers
-extreme perspective for artists
-the complete guide to perspective drawing
all you need to know, ordered by quality
the last book has a few inaccuracies, but as long as you read the previous ones on the list you should be able to spot it
also dont listen to shitters outside of these books, they're most likely completely wrong

>>4890959
how does fiverr work? i wanna experience getting commissioned even just once before the corone gets me.

is there an alternative to HoneyViewer? turns out it's actually kinda shit

>bite into apple
>teeth starts bleeding
why

>>4909602
Its your gums you fucking retard.
You probably need to get it checked.

>>4891013
Yes, they added a viewport flip but they seem to have buried the news about it. It's buggy and broken for me most of the time, greyed out. It should be View > Flip Horizontal.

>>4909632
Why what can happen to gums

How the fuck do I actually get good at drawing boxes and mentally establish a horizon line? I feel like the ideas are still kinda wonky in my head and I’d like some resource that would explain the process of drawing a box instead of only the perspective behind jt??

>>4909714
>Imagine a line
>success

>>4909731
what do you mean by imagine it

>>4890959
>i want to make comics
>i want to learn 3d models
>i want to learn digital painting
>i want to learn animation

how do you pick what to go with?

does anyone have any post production tutorials/courses? I find my skills currently are very lacking in that aspect

>>4909847
Which do you like most?

>>4908427
Okay, Thanks

>>4906883
>>4906924
alright i made an adjustment on a brush i use and experimented with it.
it's not exactly like trad but i'm fine with this
thanks

>>4910069
i don't know. they've all got good parts and tedious parts. although it seems like most of this board is focused on digital painting, so maybe i would have more support doing that?

How do I stop making sketchy lines in digital art?

How do you avoid sameface when working in a simple anime style?

Good book n landscape/architecture drawing? Learned a lot of perspective theory but I'm unsure how to approach drawing a landscape, even with photo reference.

What brush do people who make fake anime screenshots use? Hard round? I know it’s untextured.

>>4911398
most anime have vaguely different face shapes, the better art styles at least. but the main thing with anime girls is they will have different eyes depending on character archetype.

How do I make ink wash in a water brush? What inks are good for it?

What exactly is the difference between drawing and painting

>>4912347
There's no difference.

>>4911638
Didn't know that was a thing. Example?

>>4912347
Drawing involves making lines, painting involves making strokes. Obviously there is crossover between the two.

>>4912347
drawing=pencil
painting=brush
digital=digital
'imple as

Why does certain brushes only start registering after you press hard enough in CSP?
I tried tweeking all their pressure sensitivity settings but nothing seems to help.
Works fine with most brushes, but the problem shows up with a few brushes.

>>4912591
Set a keyboard shortcut to turn off and on color mixing. A lot of brushes have color mixing on by default, which blends colors with the running color or blur.

>>4912635
Doesn't seem to make a difference.
To be clear the brush literally doesn't do anything unless I press with pen hard enough.
It can't be a problem with the tablet or a general pressure sensitivity issue because many other brushes work fine.

>>4890959
Where are the books and lessons for consistently drawing the likenesses of people or characters? What should I do if I have a photo of someone's face and I want to draw them from a different angle?

I've looked up a couple portrait drawing videos and ALL OF THEM are about painting a portrait of someone directly from observation or photo reference.

Take Entertainment design/Concept art or Animation in Art school. I'm more interested in drawing Concept and Visual development artwork but I've heard its practically impossible to become a full time concept artist. The Animation industry seems to have a variety of positions and more likely to find work.

>>4904308
?

>>4904308
This is just barebones blocking in of color, the first step in rendering.
Learn to draw first, then when you have a good grasp on form start learning how light effects value, and then learn how color works. Once you've done those, you should be better than that example you posted in no time at all.