/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4893758
I had a crazy black friday deal that they somehow let me keep for over a year.

It's great and the reference images are top notch, but it's a little frustrating that there's not a curriculum focus where one thing builds upon another. It's just a hodge podge of various instructors teaching various subjects.

Like, instead of figure drawing 1 2 3 4 it's this guy teaching gesture in Spirit of the Pose, and then Vilppu figure which covers gesture again, and then Russian academy which is a totally different approach, and then 2-3 entirely separate courses of anatomy taught by different instructors that cover the same material rather than building upon eachother.

It's an awesome variety of great discrete material, but I think "Academy" is a bit of a stretch. Certain subjects are an inch deep and the quality of instruction varies a lot.

>>4893772
Compared to other online paid lessons or resources how would you rate it? If you tried any other.

I hate the company so I just pirate their content. Good shit for the most part.

>>4893822
why do you hate steve?

>>4893822
Why do you hate the company?

>>4893801
Most of Udemy is awful. There are a few decent ones but 99% are clearly aimed at beginning adults who just want to "get into watercolor" or something like that.

Gumroad varies, sometimes you get some awesome content, sometimes you get a disorganized mess of short tutorial vids filmed with a potato mic.

I'd rate New Masters above either of those, with a bullet. For general drawing instruction there's a lot to be had (but I would not make it my sole art education resource, because it doesn't have enough structure).

For drawing people specifically - Proko's portrait and figure courses are pretty solid (but I'd back them up with Hampton, Bammes et al.). For anatomy specifically, Proko's is the best video series available anywhere. The high quality of the visuals, the 3d models, the constructive approach, and the orderly assignment based structure (with tons of examples and photos to work from) put it far, far ahead of anything else available in a video course. Riven Phoenix's 80 hour course on Udemy is a steal for a bones-to-skin complete anatomy if you don't want to pay Proko prices, but it's a big of a slog, no joke, and the video quality is not great.

For structured general illustration, Watts blows NMA out of the water. The CURRICULAR structure of each thing building upon another (taught all from the same Reilly based approach) is great, but the lesson structure is very "Watch me do it and talk, now rewind and you do it with me". It definitely isn't a Step 1, then Step 2 handholding approach.

Watts is a fine art school staffed by a bunch of illustration nerds so the approach is to get a hireable quality/speed balance (whereas something like Stephen Bauman's Patreon courses are much more of a deliberate, extremely painstaking "old masters" approach).

>>4893850
is the pirated watts stuff fine or do you need to pay for the proper experience?

>>4893850
Id raté NMA about the same as Watts desu, if you know how to use their content. Vilppu, Huston, and Gnass stuff are pure gold. So is Rey Bustos

>>4893927
what's gnass's strong suit? I haven't tried his videos yet

>>4893850
>Riven Phoenix's
>proko
>watts

>>4893835
>>4893839
Maybe I should correct myself; I hate Joshua Jacobo, enough that it taints my view of the rest of NMA enough to warrant piracy. The man's a humongous pompous prick and I wouldn't give him a cent of my money, which he'd get if I subbed.

>>4894034
tell us the juicy deets

>>4893934
Just plain old good figure drawing. Solid fundamentals.

>>4894034

What'd he do?

>>4893850
How long does the Illustration course take through Watts? I'm tempted to give it a go.

>>4893850
thanks for the detailed answer

>>4895412
The Watts answer would be "Until you're good." Their instruction method asks you to literally repeat classes as you get better to suck more and more out of them (you'll pick up something new each time).

Effectively... it's 7-8 pieces per phase, more for the gestural phases. If you're going ham you can do each phase in a couple weeks easy but how much you'd get out of that I don't know.

My process has been to complete instructed phases and then apply those concepts to non-Watts figures / portraits several times before moving on. I view art as a lifelong journey so stopping to really focus on something for a couple of months isn't a big deal in the grand scheme.

>>4893822
>>4894034
Gib links pls

>>4896406
I agree, I was asking more because of money. I have the funds to commit for now, but I'm not so sure how things will look in a few months. On top of that, I'm working 6 days a week.
I don't see many structured illustration courses, so I'm really tempted to throw caution to the wind and sign up for the online course.