/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4827776
How do I draw hands best!!!!!!!

>>4827844
What’s that?

>>4827776
FUCK OFF NAZIPOSTER!

Why new thred? Also sage

>>4827977
Decellularized leaf I think. It preserves the structure and you can inject other cells to grow

>>4827977
>>4828249
specifically cardiovascular cells.
You are looking at human heart tissue growing on spinach.
The amount of lives this could save down the line is unfathomable.

>>4828527
But iirc they're not still suitable for transplant and have low viability, as well as a somewhat impaired function because of their complex structure. It's a big step towards better transplants for sure, though, from what I've seen some tracheas have been successfully transplanted using this kind of approach

>>4828854
>>4828527
>>4828249
>>4827977
STOP BUMPING YOUR OWN TROLL THREAD OP!

>>4828854
The structure ended up being too complex? That's quite interesting. It's almost as if they overshot their goal. If that's the case, hopefully they will find a structure that's more compatible. Either way, as you said, it's a big step.
Thank you, anon. I will read up on it some more.

>>4827776
The fuck is this shit? 2 /beg/ threads? Fuck off OP you retard

>>4829197
He means the organs they are trying to replicate are too complex, so they undershot, not overshot.

>>4829204
>>4829219
Retard you bumped this thread yourself. Type "sage" in the options so it doesn't bump

>>4829204
>not being able to witness 3 /beg/ threads at the same time
Ngmi

>>4829266
>bumping naziposter's troll threads

>>4829268
>nazi poster
>the star of david inclosing the swastika.
Nice try

>>4829268
It’s a pro Israel-Reich thread.
All Jews are kissing Hitler in heaven.

>>4828527
Think of the meat it’ll make. Plant grown meat.

Hunger and starvation are over. Animals suffering is over. Paying for food is over.

>>4829460
And then we breed parrots to have human level intelligence to talk to us. Like how they domesticated foxes in Russia.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/science/domesticated-foxes-genetically-fascinating-terrible-pets

Ive seen anons mention that we should ve using the rgb and cmyk sliders over the hsv color wheel is this true what are the benefits

>>4829268
>cute jew girl
>nazi
???

>>4829576
All cute Jew girls are White supremacists and Hitler reborn now.

Hello.
I've been always drawing anime, very flat and know i want to try photoshop and blend more the skin and get a new style .. (kind of a mix of anime with other things)
Im watching photoshop videos but damn its kind of hard. What should i improve in the face?

>>4829835
should i put less blushing?

Hello I haven't drawn in ages, how do I get back into it since I don't have my motor skills from when I drew.

What's the fastest way to develop them?
Do I just draw stuff normally?
Do I draw shapes?
Do I do exercises with my wrists?
Do I do something else entirely?

>>4829835

Flat color the entire character first preferably with a hard brush. Use additional layers to apply color variation, shadow, and highlight. See if you can find some tutorials on YouTube.

Is Vlippu and Hampton enough to learn the basics of gesture/figure drawing. Fuck loomis before you even suggest it

More goblins.

>>4830064
ENTER

>>4830064
Unironically, loomis

>>4830151
CHADMIS

>>4830151
>>4830161
>>4830164
God damnit

>>4830150
cute

Krita is being a bitch so I had to draw with paint.net. Here's something from yesterday. Crab me, bros.

not sure how i fucked it up worse with a ruler, looks like death scythe dont understand either

>>4830198
Did you do any construction/rough outlining beforehand?

help idk say something

>>4830219
The clavicles look like they're randomly tossed on.

>>4830222
Yeah I should probably study anatomy more

>>4830216
nope just eyeballed the reference, im allllmost to that part in draw a box though soon as he stops making me draw floppy turds

lucy liu from kill bill, real beg level as i'm just trying to copy what i see, i don't really know how to render form well (and apparently i don't know how to copy, look at the fucking eyes/ears).

any advice is appreciated, along with tips on how to take good pics of your work.

Loomis studies

>>4830227
Ok now do this Japanese face but 30 times.

Stress means you’re learning/creating new neural connections. Pursue stress.

Study shading and construction.
Draw eyes in steps and at the same time so they’re the same.

You can see that all your shading should be much darker. Look into drawing texture and accurately replicate the tones exactly.

If you want to treat yourself right draw 1000 faces today and Pursue perfection

I'm attempting to sketch something but it feels so wrong. I don't even know if it's possible to have arms in that angle.

>>4830151
OHHHHHH LOOMIS OHHHHHHHHHH

>>4830428
Just keep going no worries.

Also look up boob studies that treat them like water baLloons

>>4827776

>>4829219
Oh I see. I'll definitely have to read more into that. Thank you!
I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume this will take far more resources than just producing regular meat or protein rich crops such as what or peas.
It should also be done then with animal cells, not human cells. cannibalistic food sources will inevitably lead to prions disease.
>>4829483
We domesticated wolves, would be interesting to see how foxes fit the bill.
Human intelligence parrots aren't top priority. Top priority is getting smarter cats, or just straight up going into catgirls and catboys. Our current solution for neko overpopulation is castrating them and waiting for their numbers to dwindle. They have wiped out a lot of species and we don't have a real solution for them at the moment.
Some army or intelligence group have already started trying to make smart birds for spying purposes. I'm sure of that.

>>4830198
WTF HAHAHA

>>4830398
>Pursue stress
I mean if you want to die of a heart attack, sure go for it.

>>4830367

Not bad, use more through lines and try to cut back on the feathering

>>4830184

What are you trying to accomplish here?

>>4830398

thank you for the through advice desu. your advice towards drawing eyes seems especially helpful and i'm embarrassed i haven't already thought of it.

is based loomis the major guru to learn construction from, or are there better ways to study it?

>>4830563

idk, i have plenty of anxiety in my life but a shit work ethic. being told to put more emotional capital into my work isn't the worst advice i've ever heard.

>>4830628
All artists are different so just study as many as possible.
Loomis isn’t the end all. He’s just one of hundreds or thousands you’ll study in your quest

>>4830563
This is not telling him to work hard. It’s simply a fact that what we often think is stress is actually just our brain in conflict for resources for new data if you’re not tiring yourself out and you’re getting a little better slowly.

You can trust me. I hate hard work. I quit McDonald’s after a week.
Stress doesn’t equal hard work and anxiety
Stress equal new thought connections forming and pushing

>>4830628
In my opinion loomis seems fine for introducing you to construction but there's other options that don't confuse absolute begs that much i.e vilppu, huston, hampton. I'ts up to you who to study though. At the end of the day all
of them teach the same, just with different approaches and techniques.

How do you avoid brush strokes overlapping? I put the same pressure on both but I keep getting overlay

I feel like I may have made the torso a bit too big

>>4830198
He looks like he is sad about how you drew him

I wanna be good, but I don't want to get good. what do?

Serious question how do i stop myself from thinking about other things when i'm drawing. When my mind is blank and lobotomized i draw so incredibly well compared to what i do when i'm thinking too much.

How do people put these things out in <10 minutes? Even after doing these poses like a dozen times each, the final ones here still took almost an hour.

i hate coloring, it makes my shit look worse

at what box number will it finally "click"? :(

>>4830907
Over 300 probably, but depends on your intuition to perspective, it could've taken 100 or more than 500. also after doing DAB proceed to Scott's How to draw book it might be completely autistic but you'll get the hang of it.

>>4830919
actually I have that book and Michael Hamptons book. i figured i need to get perspective better first though. fuck. i know nothing. literally square 0. The how to draw book... not really sure how to use it? it seems like each section is for very specific reference

>>4830926
You use it when you can already freehand boxes, HowToDraw autistic amount of guidelines might be daunting at first but it does get easier the more you do it. The first couple tries well make it 30th-70th will be hell.

Why does my lineart suck? I liked the sketch but when I turn it into line art it looks like shit. Am I just bad at drawing digitally? Should I ink traditionally and scan it or does the sketch also suck and I just can’t tell?

>>4830960
The sketch

>>4830960
Inking/lineart is another discipline, the best you can do is how lineart is used when it comes to line weight and even opacity on some instances, I would recommend just studying some really good artist that can do lineart and trying to reverse engineer how what their lines are doing.

>>4830770
fellow beginner here, the head and neck were attached slightly of center.
Also the breasts look very bad, but I can't help with that, you should look for clothed reference for that.

>>4830586
?

>>4830981
Thank you, I don't know how to draw breasts under clothing though.

>/beg/ for 3 years
There's no hope for me is there?

>>4831006
one more year, anon!

>>4830886

>>4830886
the hair doesn't even look like hair, more like painted/tattoo'd on the head.

>>4830886
>>4831013
Anon first get your proportions down a bit better she has some really big brain memes there.

>>4831063
Damn you made her retarded

>>4831063
lol you fucked up the proportions worse. now she has no forehead.

>>4830398
had fun doodling her and doing some imaginary box peeps watching weeb shit, prob wont render since i coulda done better. I kinda made her more western looking, idk but i just do loomis so i thought her eyes should be middle and thirds equal which they dont look like. Might have to do skull studies too

>>4830960
it's not the worst out there.

starting the craig mullins schoolism course. Week 1 is quite interesting, I like his way of thinking about painting.

Anyway this is the week 1 assignment. I'll do more every day

>>4831063
>>4831119
>>4831136
both are terrible

>>4831205
ah side view, the scourge of an anime fan

>>4827992
fuck off nigger

>>4831205

its not that complicated.

Other /beg/ thread went to shit. Any critique?

>>4831260
is this a man with boobs?

>>4831262
Just like the old masters :^)

I posted a Stravinsky a couple of days ago. Been doing small stuff but then someone gave me an old black sketchbook. So now I'm gonna try complicated shit I like so I maximise fuckups, therefore, maximising critique. I'll post when I'm done in a couple of days. That sticky is great.

>>4831332
Make sure to be as brutal as possible when I do. I plan on going over it with a white pencil.

>>4830227
Check your measurements more and study your ref. Look at where the woman's ears are, they're in line with the brow. look at yours, they're in line with the eye. Do the placement of the features and then do your outlining. Head shape is bad too and you put a line on the right jaw when it is filled out just completely dark on the ref.
Stop outlining the noses, use shadow to define the shape.
>>4831144
It's cute, I like your lines. Loomis is a placement guide really, use it to find the general placements for construction then adjust to your model. Keep practicing anon

I realized my way of constructing the upper arm left it looking fairly borked and tried a different method. I also fixed my issue with Krita. Thoughts?

>>4831403
Unless the female figure is supposed to be muscular, the forearm is a little thick
Shoulders are a bit small

>>4830718
Please help me with this, it usually happens when I'm painting shadows

I feel like I'm getting better at drawing from reference. Haven't done shit in 2 months but felt like coming back to it. Here's a quick Beatrice.

I feel like I'm getting better at drawing from reference. Haven't done shit in 2 months but felt like coming back to it. Here's a quick Beatrice.

>>4831520
Fuck I have no idea why all images I upload are sideways when they're fine on my phone wtf

What does palm down/back look like?

>>4830428
How to draw breasts https://youtu.be/id_1yth1nZQ

>>4831520

pls rember to resize your images. also, post your reference along with your drawing for comparison.

aight bros, how do i study proportions? do i just copy loomis's proportion chart?

>>4831006
Just keep swimming anon, just keep swimming..

>>4831006
There's people who are still /beg/ even after 10 years. Don't give up just yet, grind loomis/vilppu, draw out of your comfort goals, set goals for yourself and keep moving forward anon.

>>4831339

thanks for the feedback. i don't think i used any measuring techniques in the portrait aside from maybe finding the midpoint, though i knew a few from keys to drawing- i'm just now digesting how important it is to get objective measurements correct at the start in portraiture. i'm still not confident in utilizing most measuring techniques but i'll keep trying.

>>4831006
>/beg/ for 6 years
Hope you don't catch up to me

>>4831260

She must have some long-ass orangutan arms for that kind foreshortening to work.

how long should i be doing observational drawing? thought about keeping it simple for about a week, then try out perspective or construction/shapes

>>4831818
Until you die, just do more other stuff.

>>4831515
Don’t use pressure opacity and make sure that the opacity off your brush is at 100%

>>4831894
Ok so I should only paint with flat colors? Under which circumstances can I use pen pressure?

>>4831808
Okay so I should reduce have size and I think I should reduce the size of the elbow as well to fix that. Thanks Anon.

>>4831948
You can use pen pressure on your brush, just don’t set it to pressure opacity if you don’t want overlap.

>>4831974
Alternatively, you can blend out the areas where your brush strokes overlap with an air brush or a blending tool

>>4831974
>>4831978
I see...makes me wonder why /ic/ doesn't have a painting tool like /i/ does, it would be great to help other people with technique, thanks anon or anons

Tried to draw someone kneeling. Did I do it right?

can someone redline this for me pls

Tried painting asian man without reference and without sketch. Looks like racist caricature

How legit is the flip canvas to see mistakes thing? I did that and my drawing looks deformed but I noticed that my reference (character from a stop motion movie) does too.

>>4832100
Looks like pink guy

rate me, sketch of statue from museum.
I am newbie, currently going through "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" but didn't get to the chapter about gray scales etc.

>>4832100
HARD ROUND BRUSH

>>4832128
forgot my pic :<

>>4832133
Pretty sure he’s using hard round

>>4832137
Yes

>>4832027
Second attempt using a different technique? Any improvements, both suck?

>>4832100
Is this symbol drawing?

>>4832027
Your proportions are waaay off. The head is too small for the body, arms are too long and awkwardly posed, legs are too long and start too far up the pelvis. Find a ref or try doing the pose in the mirror and compare.
>>4832066
What do you want redlined exactly? The neck anatomy? It’s not really gonna be helpful to just say “draw over my thing but good” without specifying what you’re trying to improve on.
>>4832079
Make your lines darker. Try drawing cross contours over the surface of your objects to start getting a feel for the “3dness” of things. Keep practicing anon, you got this.
>>4832100
Spend some time doing studies of Asian faces and make note of what the differences generally are compared to European features. Just in general do more portrait studies and study the anatomy of the skull.
>>4832134
Looking pretty good. Keep practicing those observational skills and keep paying attention to the shapes of the shadows like you have been.

>>4832163
I like this one better. Pretty good.

>>4832187
>>4832195
Thanks, guys.

>>4832200
Also, here is a more "refined" version. I tried the horizontal flip technique. The "improvements" aren't noticeable, right?

>>4832206
Arms are kinda long, but you may be able to get away with it. Overall, looks good.

I feel like a 5 year old.

>>4830961
the expression is really nice

>>4830064
Yeah, probably, the rest is practicing, Zarins for reference, and copying artist you like. Maybe some extreme foreshortening practice since most figure drawing courses don't talk too much about it.

>Nine months of drawing on and off
>Still can't draw a single hand or non-wooden pose
Alright, Andrew Loomis, I give up. You win. I will read your book, and Hampton and Vilppu and the rest of the gang too, and I will draw your stupid heads, and your 'fundamentals' better let me draw good anime or so help me god.

>>4830465
Its a bit stiff and the eyes a little flat. But it has soul and I like it

Hello, where can i find a bunch of different poses and various different perspectives shots?
Are there books of this?
I've done most if not all of the figure drawing ones on sketchdaily.

So if I don't flip my canvas regularly, my painting/drawing ends up looking either slanted, or off, or something bad. My angles/verticals/horizontals are off even though they look straight. I see a lot of artists constantly flipping their canvas as well, so it seems to be a good way to find mistakes.
My question is, if I keep doing this, will I eventually learn to see these mistakes without flipping/checking as much? Or am I doing something inherently wrong that my drawing is that off?

Anybody wanna critique or redline this? I can't tell if there's anything wrong other than what's obvious, but I get the feeling that something could be worked on. I just don't think my perceptive skills are high enough yet to see it.

I tried my damnedest to make her right foot look good but it's hard from this angle ;_;

Also, what works for ya'll on getting proportions right, other than just grinding it out? I've been breaking down poses and checking them with the refs.

>>4832103
>>4832390
I'm gonna mix your question with mine

are porn models unironically good study material? i assume all the posing photos/vids on art sites are purposefully more challenging for the sake of learning, but what about variety of body types and appealing figures?

Am I NGMI?

>>4832448
Didney

>>4832428
Left leg looks like it's too far down from the hip

>>4832464
What’s that mean?

>>4832369
thanks anon. i agree with you about the face. the body i drew from ref.

>>4832521
keep it up

>>4831332
>>4831337
your entire approach is destined to fail.

>>4832448
this is decent
>>4832499
90% of the mark-making here is gross.
From the thick nonsensical lines, the seagull turd texture on her thigh.
those fucking bob the builders fngers.

And the raccoon is not looking at her or the screen.
She's not looking at the raccoon or the screen.

>Are you going to make it?
god damn anon it kinda looks like someone just stuck their finger inside the bum of that raccoon off screen.
Put some real effort into your stuff. Think about the logic.

>>4832499
He meant it had Disney's style.

>>4830851
Practice. It looks like you are maybe trying to stylized too much without a solid base knowledge of anatomy. Go back a few steps and work on getting fast at your basics with good anatomy. Once you can knock those out move up a level. Also time yourself so it forces you to think about what's important to the pose.

>>4832592
Everything always falls apart in the inking. I need to see more inking tutorials. Or learn logic.

>>4832602
Throw the fucking ink away.
Use a thin thin thin hard round brush or a mechanical pencil. Draw from life.

>>4830907
Wow mate, watch your cone of vision. Some of these boxes are getting distorted because the vanishing points are too close. Set them further apart. Also I know it sounds shitty but I think you should practice straight lines before trying this. It's actually an important skill and once you can nail that this assignment will be much easier. You should aim to get every one of these in your first try.

>>4831818
Till your death, art is a journey with no goals, you only set them yourselves.

>>4830995
Literally what's the goal of this piece? Is it a study? Are you practicing something in particular? Why'd you draw it? Its hard to base a crit off it without knowing what you're going for.

>>4832206
Just try to find a reference. Reality is the benchmark because it's "correct"

>>4832226
It would help if your vanishing points actually vanished to the same point, these are all wonky and that's why the cubes are not accurate.

>>4832608
I thought the hard round brush thing was ha /ic meme?

>>4832625
Can't find a reference.

>>4830718
lower flow instead of opacity

>>4832617
I think you're right. i just tried and im still really struggling with straight lines. but I'm just using a clipboard on my thighs balanced against the side of my desk. When I ghost lines my clipboard shakes. Not really sure what to do about it. Suggestions?

I got really frustrated with my colours, and I spent all day studying. Can someone give me feedback please?

I think I got the basics of building ramps, but I always had problems making colours work together.

>>4832723

I'm not sure what to do about your set up, but I think a flat desk would be just fine to eliminate the shake?

Also try these like solid straight lines across the sheet, as if you're writing a sentence. dont go over it a second time, move down the sheet and repeat. You can literally fill sheets like this and just keep practicing until you can replicate a fairly straight line going across the page with accuracy. After doing this for a while drawing straight lines for the cube will be a breeze I promise.

I fee like my traditional art is alot better than my digital but its only been a month since I got it. I have a hard time with the abdomen I always make the head too big and the actual chest looks like an upside down egg.
Inb4
>LEARN LOOMIS NIGGER HAHA

>>4832786
This is me going "all out" took me about 2 hours my favorite drawing I've done on digital

>>4832777
thank you i will try and also checked.
my desk is very high for my chair too. would it be unreasonable to invest like 50 bucks in an adjustable desk for art...? i feel like I'm going insane in this poverty home nothing is sized correctly or has enough space fuck

>>4832791
Last post Sorry
but this was the original from a year ago that I used as reference

>massive degenerate
>want to become hentai artist, not out of desire to do commissions but out of enjoying the medium
>look at pictures from good artists every day, also looking at it from an art point of view and not just a horny one
>no matter how much study, no understanding still of how shapes go together and form an image
>look at real basic stuff like drawing a head from a circle and can hardly get through that
Are some people just destined to never be artists due to having no fucking sense of shapes and stuff? All the working on hand control and taking other tips isn’t going to do shit if I can’t figure out how to determine what line X should do to get Y result.

>>4832803
i have had multiple concussions and i have to use the gps even when using the bus because i cant track where i am in 3d space in relation to my home. I seem to be able to handle observation ok for a beg. Anything you do repeatedly you become eventually. Weight lifters become strong through the struggle of lifting. Academics become smart through the struggle of study. Nihilists become depressed through the struggle of life. And we can become artists, through our struggle with shapes and light values.

I'm really shit at line work, can't seem to draw any gestures without it looking either really wonky or stiff as fuck.

also the shading on this piece was half-assed

>>4832815
Try making your heads more even, one side is bigger than the other. That goes along way, also for gestures create stick figure like pic related and draw over them.

>>4832792

If you feel like itll make you more comfortable mate. I wouldnt stress it too much, this assignment is mostly to learn muscle memory and while form is important it shouldnt be too difficult to find a decent set up. I would even say it's okay to do it in your bed. Just remember to draw from your shoulder, (not wrist!!) and you should be fine.

>>4832810
I think I have OK spatial awareness in regular life, so if you can do it with worse conditions that’s encouraging
How do you get basic skills under your belt though when even the basic stuff assumes you can at least work with shapes alright?

>>4832822
>>4832822
I originally wanted it to be a sorta sideways glance but I'm too retarded to do that.
I'm also horrible at doing full body sketches so that'll be a bit difficult for me as well but I guess that's part of learning. Thanks anon.

>>4832803
There's a small number of people who can't imagine stuff at all. There's also a much, much larger number of people who can be trained to imagine stuff, but think they're aphantasiac because no one really needs to visualize stuff in day to day life. You're probably in the second group, and will get better as you copy and study.

Here's the secret: Nobody really imagines things in all detail, unless they're savants like Wiltshire. Every popular artist constructs, references, photobashes, uses models, or just throws things at the canvas until they look kind of right. When they draw something 'from imagination' and it looks great, it's because they're thinking "okay, I've drawn this part before, and it looked kind of like this, and I've drawn that part before, and it's like that..." and not "okay, let me trace the 32k HD image I have in my mind". They draw well because they picked up a lot of little tricks from their time drawing, and they have a painting process that turns basic shapes into something good. As long as you learn the tricks and develop a process, you can get to a decent place.

But who knows, maybe that's wishful training and there are art wizards out there. I'm the spider anon above and barely improved in almost a year after all.

Any suggestions for learning to draw logos?

Graffiti would be right up my alley too, I just don't care to learn actual spray paint or vandalize. I'm more thinking like original logos for bands, podcasts, etc.

I see stuff all the time that realistically isn't out of my skill level, but I have very little experience and it feels like there must be a better approach than just copying existing logos first.

Have been learning digital for a little while, made this.

>>4832864
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1452135150/

You might find this book interesting anon. Logos are more considered to be under "graphic design" so looking for resources related to that instead of drawing might point you in the right direction. I can't think of any books off the top of my head about logos or graffiti, sorry.

>>4832898
And it's on LibGen..

I'll check it out, thanks anon.

>>4832834
>>4832834
>How do you get basic skills under your belt though when even the basic stuff assumes you can at least work with shapes alright?
By remembering that anything you repeat long enough you become. It is in human nature. It's not some feel good platitude I'm trying to say. I'm literally saying if you do something long enough that thing becomes a part of you. We are so malleable. If you continue, success is inevitable, even if it seems like nothing makes sense. Some time days, weeks, months from now some errant practice or some new piece you finish will fill in a gap that acts as a glue to all of these pieces of information that now seem disparate and nonsensical, and the bigger picture will become clear. When it does, that repetition will be what gets you further.

Build experience. Build patterns of behavior. It is inevitable, then.

>>4830851
they just have done it a lot, so the right motions and knowledge get stuck in muscle memory and the wrong ones discarded

>>4832911

>>4832904
I’ll try working on it every day again, I had in the past but the realization that I didn’t know how the fuck the basic shapes worked and I could only try to exactly copy without understanding the reasons why things are laid out a certain way hurt motivation wise.

>>4832932
that realization is growth. Don't be upset. Be excited for what you'll realize next

>>4832170
Is it?

A friend asked me to draw a human version of a furry character and I told them I'd just doodle them something with 1 hour as the limit, ended up making this in 49 minutes and I'm kinda proud, I think it doesn't hurt the eyes for being done at such speed

A friend asked me to draw a human version of a furry character and I told them I'd just doodle them something with 1 hour as the limit, ended up making this in 49 minutes and I'm kinda proud, I think it doesn't hurt the eyes for being done at such speed

>>4833055
You thought wrong

I've been doing too much line art. Values and rendering scares me. How do I start?

>>4833081
By rendering balls and cubes....
also color pick, and analyze the hue and their corresponding value as well. ignore the idiots who says to never color pick when doing a study, a study is something to get information off from and technique and making your life harder just sounds stupid.
I watched a bunch of video course on color they recommend doing it when starting out.

I feel intimidated whenever I want to start drawing characters, but struggle drawing up a good pose from imagination. Am I better off just using reference images or asking someone to be a temporary muse? Just tired of looking at a empty canvas, man.

>>4833171
Literally just use fucking reference. Why are so many beginners obsessed with finding a style and drawing from imagination when they don't even have the visual library to do that well yet?

Here's the secret: drawing from imagination just means remembering a pose you've already done before and being able to recreate it. This is why everyone always says to grind gesture and draw from life. You're not only building your hand-eye coordination, you're quickly drawing hundreds of poses over and over so the next time, maybe you can remember how it looked.

Hi, what do you think about this position? Also, I still feel that my lineart is pretty big mess.
Ps: sry for posting photo and not actual screenshot.

>>4832786
>>4832791
Literally what the fuck do you want people to say? You sound like someone telling you LOOMIS would be trolling and unwanted but that drawing looks like something a 9 year old would put up on a fridge. Reality check anon, you need to either spend time actually studying basics, or be okay with deviantart anime scribbles remaining too stubborn to actually improve.

You don't need Loomis. You need Hampton, Bridgeman, Villpu, fuck, the Drawabox guy. It doesn't matter who you start learning from at this stage because literally ANYONE will help improve this shit in some way or form.

>>4833179
pretty neat and dynamic pose. Lineart isn't that bad but it's boring. It's all the exact same weight.

>>4833179
>taking a picture of your screen instead of screenshot-ing your drawing
kek

To everyone unhappy it just takes time.

>>4833202
I have only this picture in my phone and laptop is at home D:

>>4833202
Ty for feedback. Ye, I could use more different pressure in some areas.
I am still getting used to digi art as this is my 2nd-3rd art done on pc.

What do you study first? Construction (Cubes and stuff) or gesture drawing or anatomy?

>>4832879
I like your version of her, neck too long tho

So I posted this before, but I was hoping this time around I could get some criticism. Specifically on "The World" and Ruby there on the bottom. I have so much trouble on mapping the eyes still. But I also want some criticism in general. I want some breakdowns on what I'm doing wrong.

Also I think there is this autistic dude that has a hate boner for me whenever I post.

>>4833317
No amount of criticism or advice will help you fix this dogshit

For the reference of my first post from upthere.
This is first try to do digi art.
I am still wondering how artists do those crazy details on clothing

i tried sketching this pose, any tips/advice? i circled the spots i noticed werent as accurate after i was done

also how do i start drawing after im done with a sketch? like lmao i dont have a clue how to make it look clean

>>4833327
>I am still wondering how artists do those crazy details on clothing
they studied from life and autistic studied how folds, wrinkles, creases, work by reading books or watching a video course and draw tons of clothing from reference.

why my unicorn looks flat and boring

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Working through fundamentals right now, doing body, hands, legs, and what not, with flow and opposing theory. This shit's rough. I feel like I'm not making any progress, but I guess that I am. Since I've only been drawing for a month, and I just started this bit a few days ago. But damn, I never thought it would actually be something that takes time to get good at. Everything else I've ever done in my life has always been sort of easy and straight forward to understand and do, but drawing is fucking hard.


What are your guys views on this. I've been studying, doing lessons and drawing stuff for fun for about two weeks straight. Only took one day off of it, but progress feels so slow. I've saved what I've done and can see it. But damn it's a lot harder than I'd thought it would be.

>>4833401
WELCOME TO THE /BEG/DEN

>>4833407
Theory is all pointless garbage that won't help you get good.

>>4833407
Regardless of talent it's fucking hard and every single person including masters felt the pain of being shit and not figuring something out easily but if the process of learning isn't enjoyable to you, art isn't for you and the small piece of the pie that we call 'talent' won't take you anywhere.

I hope you can trust the process and embrace the pain :)

>>4833314
Yeah I realized that after looking at this finished version a little bit, was spending my time focused on pretty much everything else but lesson learned.

>>4833181
I agree I need to get alot better but I'm not gonna fall for the loomis bait you fucking crab

wtf you guys were absolutely right about the hard round brush

>>4833322
What's with you people?

>>4833414
/beg/den?

>>4833055
tell erakir i said hi

>>4833317
Looking at this there is no fix

You're just bad at art

>>4833536
go away schizo. you will never progress. no art you post here will ever get replies. you are not wanted here.

what can i do to be better anons

>>4833568
This is already good anon. Just keep practicing fundamentals and observational drawing and your work will only get better.

But this is clearly far above beg level and you already knew that.

>>4833586
Thanks anon. last time i went to int they told me I should stay here so its relieving to know ive improved.

>>4830219
One tit bigger than the other
One thigh bigger than the other
Jagged awkward hair

>>4833586
>far above /beg/

dont hand out butt pats because you're easily impressed. this is a classic case of attempting to make your lines as wiggly and indiscriminately dynamic as possible to hid the fact that you cant handle form, perspective, anatomy, lighting, etc.
it's the cal arts method of literally only focusing on shape language and the reason most art colleges are shit. pic related

>>4833322
>>4833536
Why are you guys so bitter?

How do you guys search through schools in various countries?
Like I lucked out, found a cool-ass digital painting & animating program in my city, but I can't find anything of equal/better quality in other cities around the world

>>4833616
It's just one guy - the same guy that keeps posting anime avatars and wailing about how he'll never be a good artist (he won't.)

>>4832726
Anyone?

>>4833644
You want feedback on a colour palette?

>>4833317
Your just shit Anon

Go back to fun with a pencil and grind fundies for about 5 more years

>>4833640
>>4833616
He's like this every thread. Every time I post something he samefags a bunch of replies shitting on me. It's weird. I just like getting constructive criticism.

>>4833407
yeah it's shite but keep going lad

>>4833317
for the world:
>the legs and left arm are not at motion yet the line art is inconsistent with the head and diver suit
>the diver thingies on the shoulders seems a bit wonky, out of proportion and at a wrong angle
>the mandible, lips and chin heart piece have the wrong perspective and do not line up with the angle of the rest of the head
>the left arm just looks bad and rushed

the legs and the left arm look good but ive seen jojo and thats not the style the artist goes for, plus again, its not consistent with the rest of the frame. you could have made the right arm look like the left arm to imply motion and have the left arm be consistent with the rest of the line art

also ignore the retards

>>4833416
NGMI

>>4833423
I can deal with the pain. At least as long as I have my medication. It's just so different for me since I'm just so used to being really good at what I do. So having a challenge is nice, it's just really threw me once I realized how much shit there actually is to learn. And he'll all I wanted to do was world creation and some cartoon characters.

>>4833685
desu for me it was the opposite, i was legitimately never good at anything until I put some work in towards achieving some things I wanted to. and then actually achieving them made me realize I could pretty much accomplish anything if I put the right amount of effort in.

>>4833605
Youre right anon. Which part of the drawing do you think I should look to improve specifically? I didn't realize how much I was relying on shape.

>>4833660
yeah, I need feedback on how I choose colours, If any colour looks odd, any mistakes I make

>>4832911

This is great. This is absolutely x.

Between the leftward sun (?) and the sound audio depiction, the line IS slightly tilted from upward left right towards downward right

RIGHT? It's NOT an illiusion right? that left me wondering.

Excellent Piece.

GUYS HELP. What do when my eyes look like this when reading pirated art books?

>>4833753
If that happens, there’s only a 5 minute timeframe where you can save yourself from that horrible fate by ordering the book off amazon.

>>4833684
Thanks for the advice.

Just for clarification, when you say "left arm" you're referring to the one on the left from our perspective right? Not The World's left arm.

I'm going to take your advice and redraw this.

>>4833781
nah i meant the world's left arm.

>>4833781
wait lol i just noticed

i meant that the world's right arm looks rushed. the one thats in motion. the world's right arm looks better but isnt consistent with rest of the drawing

>>4833781
wait lol i just noticed

i meant that the world's right arm looks rushed. the one thats in motion. the world's left arm looks better but isnt consistent with rest of the drawing

>>4833721
The dark values look a bit light, but I wouldn’t worry about colour palettes too much. If your forms and values are good then the colours will Moody likely work too.

>>4833819
Most likely* instead of moody

I drew some seagulls! :3

>>4833819
I am concentrating on colours because using them always made my work worse. I could use an already made palette, but whenever I needed to add new colour, I would just break everything, so I really feel like I need to study that more.

Tell me the best way to archieve smooth color transitions (like soft shadows) or else....

>>4827776
Afer one month of daily body/pose practice i still draw like a fucking child. Okay, maybe i skipped 5 days. Should i just give up?

>>4833871
You can’t really yell how much you’ve improved based on 1 month, keep going anon

>>4833513
Simmetry is fun

>>4833858
James gurneys light and colour helped me with colour and values, it’s a pretty nice read too

>>4833871
You have improved if it’s any consolation

>>4833878
alright, I will check him out.

Decided to pull the trigger and just finish it and hope for the best.

How awful is it?

>>4833952
If this supposed to be from an overhead-sorta view, then I fux wit it.

That said, looks kinda warped/bent.

>>4833879
thanks anon. really needed that

>>4833952
thebottom half is like im looking at her from above but the top is like im looking straight on

>>4833952
kinda looks like she has no space between hips and ribs, but just finish the piece, and draw next one, don't spend too much time on it

>>4832485
Thanks, bro.

>>4833974
>>4833997
>>4833999
This was the "reference" I used. I didn't copy it, exactly.

>>4834024

>>4833876
AAAGHHH

Black Mage? Blue Mage? Red Mage? You lot are old school. Make way for PINK MAGE

>>4833828
That's some good shit right here

>>4834027
that looks bad

>>4834027
you should get some good references

>>4834029

>>4833590
>>4833586
Don't listen to that retard, begs are easily impressed and filtered by clean lines and especially anime, they have no real concept of skill level

>>4834105
Then say something useful instead of a retarded rant

>>4833871
There's a clear improvement inbetween these two pictures, so don't start doubting yourself because you're on the right track.

>>4833871
u have improved quite a bit. Ur only problem is perspective. Work on a more dynamic pose/interesting position

I.. I feel the form anons.. Finally..

>>4834105
>t. hard stuck on loomis heads

>>4834028
simmmtmtry

>>4833871
Just work on perspective now the image looks very flat

>>4834027
Yeah, the reference is pretty bad especially since the pose isn't comparably the same.

I think I get what you were going for but those poses are just very different.

I don't know I can barely read the pose of the right leg of the reference.

I personally only use 3D to get the "big shapes" correct in perspective. Saves me a lot of fiddling.

>>4834109
Read the sticky you talentless beg

seems toxic rn so probably not the best idea to post this, but I betrayed myself and took a month break. Anyways, here's my first value study. Gonna finish it with lighting later. I know its shit and the perspective is off, but its better to finish it then to wimp out and never have any work I can look back to.

>>4834177
pyw

Alright, it's the end of August. Pretty much started August 1st, but really didn't pick it up until two weeks in. Making progress, but I'm really ready to at least try bodies and what not. Tired of doing heads despite having a long way to go yet.

>>4830886
I like this one, but I think there are a couple of issues. The eye and brow looks like a front view but she's in profile. Her mouth is open, but her jaw is straight. Remember, the jaw rotates from the back, right under the ear, like a hinge. So if her mouth is open, the jaw would rotate down and back. The head shape could use some work as well. One other part I changed, was to add the shoulder area and drop her left arm down a bit.
I like the hand though, looks good!

>>4834199
Looks great anon

>>4834144
Help i'm only doing symmetrical stuff

>>4834199
Good stuff, reminds me of those old timey pen drawings.

>>4834187
The value studies are going to help you but you need some more work on the other aspects of rendering, edge and shape will cure a lot of the form issues. Make sure you make a conscious decision in your head what form your cursor is touching, either its a soft (gradient) or hard (flat) form. The abs for example should generally be made one value at the beginning for the entire plane with good contour edges, then paint and blend in the value shifts accordingly with a soft brush. I know my post isn’t about values, but I promise if you think to yourself “it’s a value study” and half ass your edges and shapes every time you render something, it will transfer to your work, save yourself some time and make sure it doesn’t become a bad habit. If you tried on the edges and shapes though kudos, you can learn from it, that will take problem solving and also just mileage in general for your eyes.

Eye rendering study using Shal. E as reference.

>>4834341
thanks a ton anon! I will post the lighted and touched up version next thread (whenever that is) as to not spam this one. I'll do my best to apply your critique!

>>4834028
Thanks for the input. Where would I get decent poses from?

roundbrush only

I am trying to draw a girl doing anal with a dildo and I just feel like I can't do it without some understanding of anatomy. Some of these are from reference. What do I need to do?

>>4834222
Going to go ahead and ask, since I'm still doing studies and early lessons, anyone have any suggested tutorial content for cartoons? I'm already planning to buy a few of the courses from Aaron Blaise once I figure out gesture and anatomy.

>>4834199
Now this is based.

Is the anatomy, design and perspective okay? is there something wrong in the sketch? would like some help

>>4834555
What program to do the perspective grid? Also, does it actually help?

>>4834515
try drawing the basic shapes over your reference to see how they fit together, and then try to redraw them by looking at your reference (not tracing). Deconstructing your reference like that should make it easier for you to see the shapes and how to replicate them on clean canvas.

after you get good results by just using primitive shapes, you need to study anatomy so you can add detail as you go along over the bases you created.

>>4834581
I've been really avoiding drawing over pictures themselves because I heard it was bad to do. I'll have to give it a try though.
In the meantime, I came up with this. I'd love to hear what you think and I really appreciate the help.

>>4834579
Photoshop. There is a video how you make them with poligon

>>4834587
it is bad if you were to be tracing, but what I wrote is more of a study of your reference.

Fuck boys Redpill me on digital
IK it makes the art process 50x easier but I feel like I'll miss the traditional pencil on paper style and my skills won't translate over well

>>4834626
male's butt needs to be more squared up. Clench those buttcheeks.

on unrelated note I think smaller penis would be better

>>4834636
That doesn't make any sense. Digital is just drawing on a smaller paper

>>4834665
But what if he wants the butt to be soft?

>>4834676
sure, but as it is now, one butt cheek is larger than the other

>>4827776
Chrome wheel study

>>4834799
F

You posted furry to /ic/ instead of /trash/

>>4834802
>can't get help for drawing anthros on the art board
It's not like I'm posting furry porn. Where else am I supposed to get help with this?

>>4834812
I honestly wasn't aware, I've never gone there. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

>>4834807
repost cuz I messed up:

But go to /trash/ to the improvement general >>>/trash/32423914

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
I need perspective guidelines.
That being said, I've been drawing characters then background.
Is it easier to draw in perspective if I start drawing the background first?
Cause I sure as hell can't figure out where the perspective is if I drop a character in then a background. Or is there a trick you guys use.

>>4832588
Yep. I know. I just wanna try random shit for fun.

>>4834355
No problem, also, "how to render" from scott robertson, and richard schmid's "alla prima everything I know about painting" go much more in detail about this, they are in the artbook thread.

>>4834193

>>4835266
nice

>>4835266
I see, got nothing to say, but using beg as an insult being beg yourself doesn't sound cool

>>4835570
i don't care about sounding cool

gonna start painting now, my sketches are ok enough to start i feel

>>4835570
>>4835266

These two are not /beg. Get the fuck outta here

i'm afraid of all the work that needs to be done

>>4835570
If you have lost perspective of your true skill level then all is lost

>>4835266
if you're not beg why are you here just picking on people lol

i swear every time i post my daily head the thread just immediately dies, literally every single day

>>4836588
nah, just the retard didn't link the new thread

>>4836184
I have only been drawing for 5 months