/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4810394
No. He's been caught tracing before

Yes.

>>4810394
Yes, but even 14 hours a day won’t change you from /beg/ to /pro/ if you don’t know how to apply yourself.

>>4810394
He draws like 1 hour and shills on social media the other 13.

No. When you're pro there are times you don't even draw for days

>>4810400
>He's been caught tracing before

Sauce on that?

>>4810402
This. If you drew 14 hours a day you'd be better than him in less than a year. By now he should be godlike at this pace.

He just polishes turds and traces Instagram thots for 1h a day and then start doing the marketing campaign like a girl planning her wedding.

>do you need to draw 14 a day

No,like master Feng Zhu said,you must draw 20 hours a day in order to making it,this guy in a fool.

>>4810394
He used to actually grind when he was younger and even started a job at disney afaik

>>4810438
He said 5-6

>>4810394
I’m waiting for his dog to die so he can base on social media then come out as a depressed lunatic on meds.

It’ll happen. And I’ll be the first to retrieve this post from the archive.

>>4810487
I bet that on the life of his dog

So where is this "Art"? Or are we being sold a personality

>>4810477
No he said 16

>>4810416
https://twitter.com/lucaspeinador/status/1087767763412762625

>>4810402
Yeah I had the feeling he doesn't actually spend 90 percent of his day at the drawing board.

Fuck, I probably spend more time at my own drawing board and I'm a solid enough tier artist.

>>4810487
>Anon wants RossDraws doggo to die in the slim chance he might go insane

I know /ic/ is infamous for its crabby hivemind circlejerk mentality, but don't wish death on someone's pet. That's just messed up!

>>4810577
All about that personality with "popular" artists.

Its kind of like those fake financial gurus that flood Youtube ads peddling their overpriced and overhyped clickbait courses in that regard.

>>4810394
he draws for like an hour in the video rest is him doing pull ups lol. click bait don't watch.

>>4810691
>Tracing scandal is just a petty Twitter callout post about models.

I mean if RossDraws had actually drawn over somebody else's art then tried passing it off as his own, that would be one thing.

But considering any artist who makes a living uses photos of real life models to get the job done, I fail to see what Lucas thought he was going to accomplish by "exposing" RossDraws like that.

>>4810401
kek

>>4810430
>If you drew 14 hours a day you'd be better than him in less than a year.
I'm pretty skeptical about this. The human brain can only intake so much information in a day. There's probably serious diminishing returns after the fifth hour, and ultimately the difference between drawing say six hours a day and fourteen hours a day is a lot smaller than the difference between drawing half an hour a day and two hours a day.

>>4810711
Tracing is tracing. This one doesn't even look traced though, more like painted over after passing the original through an akvis filter. So even worse than tracing.

>>4810693
I don't think anon was wishing the premature death of the dog from the way he phrased it. I think he meant he was waiting for the dog to die as in the inevitable death from old age as dogs have shorter lifespan.

>>4810731
>Tracing is tracing

Then why do all the good artists do it?

Quit being a moralfag about tracing anon.

It will help you make it as an artist!

>>4810752

Nope. That anon is just bitter towards RossDraws so much so that he wishes Ross will go insane when his doggo passes away.

Again, /ic/ is notorious for its crabs in the bucket mentality, but don't wish for someone's pet to die just so they MIGHT go insane from it.

And even if that happened, that wouldn't mean that >>4810487 would suddenly be able to scoop up the spot formerly filled by RossDraws and rake in all the patreonbux.

>>4810792
more people had a problem with him not giving credit than the actual tracing. he probably didn't want to give credit because of how similar his finished drawing was. didn't even flip it. lazy!

>>4810731
doesnt he literally make videos where he paints over photos, what is the problem here

>>4810792
Anon who said >>4810487 here

What that post meant was I will wait warmly for the dog to die from natural causes like age. Not that I wish for the dog to die. I have a dog myself, I don't wish for others dogs to die "just because".

>>4810818
>And even if that happened, that wouldn't mean that >>4810487 would suddenly be able to scoop up the spot formerly filled by RossDraws and rake in all the patreonbux.
What the hell does this even mean anyway? You're projecting way too much.

>>4810792
Tracing is great imo. Depends whether your goal is to be good at drawing and flex on people or just to create finished artwork. If you can do the letter by mashing a bunch of references together then why the fuck not. Being able to make my end goal now is the sort of thing that will make me continue drawing in the long run and therefore make me a better artist. Plus you have to understand what you’re doing to effectively use a tracing to make a good drawing. If you doubt it give a complete noob a drawing and tell them to trace it. Looks like shit 10/10 times

>>4810792
>>4810806
I personally don't have much of an issue with tracing myself, but the way Ross markets himself is as a very skillful draftsman who playfully paints over completely unrelated pictures and through raw skill produces great work as a result.

Him tracing while marketing himself that way is the issue I find, not tracing itself. Shows dishonesty and puts into question the process of his other works.

>>4810830
*do the latter

>>4810832
Yeah I agree there. I wish tracing wasn’t so looked down on. Obviously I’m not talking 1:1 theft or even using other people’s art as references. I trace elements of reference photos all the time but I don’t generally tell people that. They love the product but they hate the process. Difference is I’m not an online personality though. That said, practically everything else online is a hollow bullshit facade so it doesn’t surprise me that art personalities would be the same

>>4810832
>the way Ross markets himself

Oh well in that case, I agree, but being honest doesn't pay the bills. Again, same shit with all these fake gurus on Youtube who peddle their get rich quick schemes while claiming "its not a scam hurr durr!!!"

>>4810841
>They love the product but they hate the process

Truer words have never been spoken.

>>4810487
You aren't a crab nigga, you are a whole fucking kingler.

>>4810730
You can work optimally for 4 hours a day.
Plus 4 hours of focused attention after a siesta (or at least a good break with a brisk walk).
Then after these 4 hours you have another 2~3 of decompression, where you can still learn/intake information, but your execution itself will be the slowest.

So 10~11 hours, with the bulk of grinding/reviewing/experimenting/creating in the morning, technical application/execution in the afternoon and some critical thinking/reflecting/learning from resources in the evening before you go to bed and give your brain time to digest these last-had thoughts.

That is the average healthy human, someone might be imbalanced and have fewer hours, some might be prodigious and have more.
If we count the first 4 as full hours, the second 4 as half hours and the last 3 hours as third hours, that'd be closer to a 7 "full focus hours" a day.

>>4810500 >>4810693 >>4810818 >>4810860
>noooooooo not the heckin pupperino

>>4810400
>>4810691
Who cares. Even Greg Iand traces and he's a profession who worked for Marvel.

>>4810862
You forgot to include that you need to be a leech to your parents or society too. People can't do this if they're tired from their jobs.

>>4810953
>poor fags actually think this way

>>4810865
Good job, I laughed out loud in public

>>4810394
It can boost ur improvement but it's fkin hard to pull off if you don't have the asian gene. Japanese people does this all the time.

>>4810862
I think for "grinding" practice you can do it all day. Like drawing.

But if you're taking in new info, it only happens a few times a day. New info is taken in "bursts" or "sparks". That's when everything clicks. No one can continuously learn new information for 4 hours a day

Even Moderndayjames a technical guy was drawing 13 hrs a day

>>4810394
study for 1-2 hours and learn something new from it, then draw the rest of the day and make some effort to put what you learned in your drawings

you'll get better pretty fast this way

More like 14 hours a day shilling nima

>>4810792
>Then why do all the good artists do it?
Wrong. I love how you say the most retarded shit and use it as a basis for your argument. Maybe kill yourself?

His faux happy demeanor is kinda creepy

>>4810394
not gonna lie, i kinda like his art but his videos are just so fucking hard to watch. especially when he does that color dodge cringe shit.
just the over all style on how he edits his videos are pretty cringy.
maybe im just too old for this shit.

>>4810711
twitter seems to think tracing is forbidden for some reason.
>>4811202
painters/pastel/pencil artists use transfer sheets and projectors. if youve already drawn a thing why not just trace it onto the final substrate, why draw it another time.

>>4810394
>Mentored by Jamie Jones
>Work looks nothing like Jamie's and is just abusing color dodge on waifu images
Fucking hell.

>>4810792
>Then why do all the good artists do it?
They normally do it to photos that they own or are authorized to use because if you get sued you will get fucked in court pretty easily.

Other than the legal ramifications its pretty shitty to jack someone else's work almost 1:1 but stylized, If it was just 1 element in a larger piece it would still be bad but not as egregious.
Some photographers just get a girl and snap pics, others put a massive amount of work into the details to the shot even after that they photoshop them to get exactly what they want.

>>4811310
jelly much faggot
quit whining about him on 4chan and go take his livelihood away from him.

>>4810394
Why would someone go on the internet and tell lies?
>do you need to draw 14 hours a day to make it as an artist?
If you want to hate drawing and destroy your hand, then sure go for it
>>4810487
Yeah, i hate how he uses the dog as a marketing tool. He's probably going to open up a fundme or some e-begging thing once the dog has "expired" and normies are going to donate because
>nooooo my pupperino
I mean, his work isn't really that great. All he does is copy photograps and stylize them in a disney-ish style. But i guess that the appeal.
There are anons on this board who are clearly better than him.

>>4810401
>early middle school
>11 years old
>8 years later
>19
>"never really stopped"
this probably means they never had the opportunities to really study a lot, which for most aspiring artists, is very true

everyone can say they drew their entire life. some will only say they started drawing when they started studying

>>4810394
I don't watch youtubers but I assure you that editing a youtube video takes a lot of time that you can't use for drawing.
The majority of these internet celebs physically cannot find the time to draw as much as they say AND take care of all the social media and internet bullshit which is literally a day job on its own. If they do, it's because they're rich enough to hire someone to do it for them. Either way they're full of shit.
The art world is a literal Ponzi scheme, they will set you on this bullshit path of drawing 20 hours a day while buying useless infotainment and watching their shitty videos full of lies and good feefees when all that matters is literally being born rich.

>>4811770
>when all that matters is literally being born rich.
guy worked at disney and got connections or else he wouldn't have made it.
Social media is a rigged game, anon.

>>4810711
Technically using someone else's photos is as much theft as using someone else's art.

>>4810487
yeah that dog is sketched out imo, he embodies the I am uncomfortable vibe. I wish him well tho

>>4811822
Pets can get viral which is why a lot of these people buy them. I'm absolutely certain this is why you see weird shit like youtubers picking up their cat and the cat goes on a rampage and scratches them.

>>4811770

Unless you’re Linus tech tips or a group who has a dedicated team in video editing, most recording is done weeks ahead of time. Most you tubers have 5 videos already good to go waiting in que. So all they need to do is make 1 or 2 vids per week.

And when you get the hang of it, it’s really not that long of a process....unless you’re linus, brownlee, etc. If all you do is screen record then that’s even easier.

>>4811837
Oh actually nevermind, you still have to edit the audio and remove undesirable elements. Yeah editing takes at least 3 to 4 hours.

>>4811841
That recording done ahead of time still had to be done though... backlogs don't make themselves. There's a reason why youtubers are either hacks or straight up shit at drawing, youtube is their full time job, everything else is secondary

>>4811836
I wish these fucking people would get that animals arent fucking fashion accessories but entities that are more or less independent. Where I live it becamse popular a few years ago this Dachshund type of dog the little sausage. All the fucking hipsters somehow got the same sort of dog at the same time. No offense to the dogs, again, but it's just wrong in my eyes. They are not tools to further your self-image or agenda. Disgusting!!!

>>4811845
you are the exception, that's why people get dogs in the first place
that's also why they have 0 problems abandoning them

>>4811848
I thought about my argument and I still stand by it. I understand that you like a certain breed or something, I get that people like to push kids for example in a certain direction that they envisioned for them but all in all I still think it does more wrong than good.

Idk, I just don't like people or animals being used for personal gain or to enforce an illusion of how things should be in someone else's mind. Cheers

>>4811856
When 101 dalmatians came out, record numbers of dalmatians came up in shelters that summer. Dalmatians are not home dogs and have an awful character. All those weird breeds of dogs like dachshund or pugs are inherently weak, any animal with a short muzzle has breathing issues somewhere down the line, most breeds have congenital defects. People just don't care, all these breeds exist to be a fashion statement in the first place since nobody really wants a hunting dog or a herding dog or a police dog in their home, technically you're better off with a regular dog.
Also the vast majority of people who buy dogs of a certain breed also do so because they can sell the pups.
Human beings are evil and they suck, the deeper you go in the rabbit hole the more you discover how shit they are.

>>4810394
Can't he afford to buy two computers? Carrying your computer up and down the stairs doesn't sound like something that should be part of your regular workday

>>4811871
poor doggos :/ I have a cat, and would like to have a dog some day as well and I would get it from a shelter for sure

>>4811871
>>4811881
When GoT got popular there where a lot of dogs in pounds called khaleesi
People are retarded.

oh and a lot of dalmatians end up deaf.

>>4811934
I can’t imagine anything more frustrating than owning a deaf dog

>>4811938
You give them a collar that vibrates and train them with treats to look at/find you every time you activate it.

>>4810487
You guys aren’t just untalented and miserable, you’re also completely fucked up.

>>4811943
Oh that’s pretty cool

>>4812562
>where do you think you are?

>>4811310
>its pretty shitty to jack someone else's work almost 1:1 but stylized
>>4811809
>Technically using someone else's photos is as much theft as using someone else's art.

Then why do all the popular artists trace over photos or even other people's art?

Facts don't care about your feelings!

>>4812736
Because they don’t care and it’s easy. Doesn’t make it any less shitty. It’s blatant creative bankruptcy.

>>4812736
>Then why do all the popular artists trace over photos or even other people's art?
none of the good ones do

>>4812786
or they hide it well

>>4810943
Is Greg Land supposed to be the reason why it's okay to trace? Because his art looks like lifeless and extremely boring as a result.

>>4812736
>Then why do all the popular artists trace over photos or even other people's art?
If they don't have permission to use it then it is because they haven't been sued yet.

https://petapixel.com/2018/09/18/photographer-sues-netflix-for-using-his-storm-photo-for-stranger-things/

>>4812798
he also has a job

>>4810400
>caught tracing

LMAO he openly jus overpaints his reference on almost all his videos. And people are mad about TRACING? He’s not hiding shit.

>this thread
Oh so it's ok for the """""pro""""" to trace, but not when you do.
If they're so pro, they can probably ass out a still life or even a reference drawing less than 2 hours. If it takes them that long then why not just charge more for labor fee.
I swear, on twitter when one of the big wig artist started something controversial, people would jump in and defend them, but when smaller artist does it, it's public execution.

>>4813663
There's a reason he doesn't show his drawing process and just shows a mostly finished piece that he's abusing the dodge and burn tools all over lmao. He's barely hiding it in those. Seriously the man could not give less of a fuck about people knowing about the tracing and paintovers.

>>4813663
>He’s not hiding shit.
The other references he overpaints where photos he took himself or OC's that fans sent it.
The photo he got in trouble for was him stealing a photographer's photo without pay or credit.