/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4750989
>two years gone just like that
>You now realize you've been in this shithole for at least 7 years

>if you're interested in a legend in the making kind of thing
The hubris of this dude. He became a legend I guess, just not in the way he wanted. Unless you're chinese, going full fundies and no fun will burn you out quickly. There is nothing wrong with doing fundies and mixing them up with fun things. It will take you longer but you will keep at it for far longer, and even if you don't improve at the rate you want you're still having fun.

>>4750993
>The hubris of this dude.
Hubris isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I have a similar, if not much greater, level of pride in myself, and that’s because I know I’m special. Regardless of whether I’m a good artist or not at the moment, regardless of whether or not I’m a successful person at the moment, I know I’m better than everyone else at the most fundamental level, and that level of (well deserved and rightfully earned) narcissism keeps me going.

>>4750993
This so much. Always pains me to see people here lose interest because they expect immediate improvement and only grind

>>4751086
pyw faggot
(i know you won't)

>>4751204
I already did in another thread, but since I know (You) want your (You)s so bad, here. I’ve been trying to get actually learn rendering recently since I suck at it, neither of these are finished. Also, I’m sure you’ll jerk yourself off after seeing this and thinking that “heh, I totally owned that kid on 4chan that’s barely out of high school, heh”, but just know that while you scribble away trying to make it after you’re done working at your wage cage, and going home to you fat whale of a girlfriend, I’ll be taking very step possible to ensure I wind up a winner, no matter what it costs me, no matter what degree of pain and suffering I have to endure to not be a LOSER like everyone else, I’ll do it with a bitter smile on my face, knowing I’ll live up to my ideals of showing the world Just how great I am

>>4751216
Is this the point where pride becomes Dunning-Krueger?

>>4751333
No, I fully understand that my skills aren’t where they need to be or where I want them to be, but I do understand I’m inherently better than others, and I’m willing to do whatever it takes to improve. Without fail, I try to at least get in an hour or so of focused drawing a day, and I have no doubt that by the time I’m 21 I’ll be quite decent at it. I’m fully accepting of the fact that I’m currently not all that great, but I have not a single doubt that I’ll one day surpass everyone on here. I’ve become more outwardly egotistical as a result of recognizing that humility has little to no actual benefit, it only serves to keep ngmis and losers from feeling bad about themselves. I’ll pursue art with the same absurd hope I throw behind anything else I want, that one day, I’ll each what I want and I won’t be a loser like (You) and others like (You). Stay mad, crab

>>4751338
I’m not mad, my art is better than yours ever will be and I’m confident in that.

>>4751338
not the guy you were talking to, but how old are you and how long you have been drawing for?

>>4751345
19, I wanna say just under a year, but 4 months out of that we’re me wagecucking for like 40 hours a week with full time school so I barely managed to draw, also I do suck at rendering quite a bit because I find it boring, hopefully I’ll be decent within a year and a half
>>4751343
Ohhhh, (You)

>>4751216
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>>4751349
lol

>>4751349
>19, I wanna say just under a year, but 4 months
Yep this is some next level dunning kruger or some kind of cope
Either way you're a moron

>>4751361
>>4751364
Whatever. I’ll show you, I’ll show you all.

>>4751338
>I’ve become more outwardly egotistical as a result of recognizing that humility has little to no actual benefit
The benefit, in your case, would be avoiding making yourself look like a complete retard in front of everyone, since you don't have anything to show for your "superiority"
Imagine a street beggar who shouts at passerbys "one day i'll be richer than all of you and i'll be the most powerful man in this city!", that's how stupid you look right now.

>>4751338
This nigga underage

>>4751367
by the time i was 17 i was years ahead of you in terms art, after wasting my whole weekends on practice for half or so year like you said
im not sure if you try to troll with that over the top posting, or you actually believe what you are saying
btw after what you posted you can already be sure you will turn out like every other talentless hack that tries to do digital
im sorry anon, you have absolutely no talent and since you are a narcissist no amount of time will help you improve, because you cant see the shit you produce

>>4751382
You what time is it? It’s pyw o-clock.

>>4751382
Pyw

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>>4751384
pyw

>>4751338
anons will seethe but this is based, you remind me of an anime villain

>>4751216
>>4751338
>Fresh out of highschool
>Is shitposting on our underwater basketweaving online forum
I weep for the youth.

>>4751397
Thank you anon, I became redpilled on the ways of the world and adopted a more cynical attitude for both my protection and prosperity. One day, maybe 6 months from now, maybe 6 years, I’ll post here again, declaring once again my magnificence and showing off my improved art
>>4751406
I’m not shitposting, but I do think that the state of affairs in today’s youth is deplorable. You seem based, for an oldfag, unlike the other crabs

>>4751412
Listen here you little shit, we come here to get kicks out of pretending to be retarded but little fucks like you take it literally for example you've just used "based" and "oldfag" in a literal sense as if it means anything it's dumbshits like you who come in and believe they're in good company when in fact everyone's merely pretending. Word of advice little runt, don't try and befriend anyone around here otherwise you'll end up taking HRT.

>>4751086
>I have a similar, if not much greater, level of pride in myself, and that’s because I know I’m special. Regardless of whether I’m a good artist or not at the moment, regardless of whether or not I’m a successful person at the moment, I know I’m better than everyone else at the most fundamental level
Very based.

>>4751412
this is cringe lol

https://www.ted.com/talks/derek_sivers_keep_your_goals_to_yourself

>>4751338
Your arrogance is hilarious and adorable, but the fact that you were willing to post such bad work for a pyw request is admirable and speaks to a certain attitude that I think will work for you.

I had the same arrogance at your age, though it was more internal. But I also knew that hard, serious work was necessary to get anywhere. One hour a day is good for now, but you will need to ramp it up eventually.

We'll see how confident you are when you have to pit your work against the real market in the real world alongside having real adult responsibilities to handle. I think this will work out, though, probably gmi.

>>4751412
>I’ll post here again, declaring once again my magnificence
Oh, this is bait, fuck me I guess.

>>4751601
The cockiness and attitude works out for me though, girls seem to like it a lot, and I’m never gonna quit till I get what I want, I’ve already suffered too much from a lack of action
>>4751606
I’m being dead serious, part of the fun in becoming a legend is going back and pissing on the pricks and losers that mocked you

>>4751612
chuunibyou at 19, sad.

>>4751612
Why do people on this board pretend to be delusional so often? Is it a new meme?

>>4751338
He's right though? A retard but he's a correct retard. Absurd amounts of confidence gets failures places. You ever wonder why so many incompetent people climb the ladder more well/quickly than their superior peers? It's one of two things: either confidence or social charm/connections. Oftentimes a combination of both.

>>4751412
i was actually just taking the piss, you're an even bigger retard than i anticipated

>>4751612
this is such a cringy post that i've seen dozens of time on this board. we get it, you looked in the mirror and said "im gonna make a change" and in 3 days when you go back to binging overwatch or LoL or whatever you're going to be right back here bitching and shitposting. there have been so many of you types on this board over the years its just boring at this point. why does this place attract big ego cunts

>>4751647
the key point here being that incompetent people dont understand that confidence and blustering ego arent the same thing and other morons think you're impressive for being a pushy dickhead

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>>4751338
My god it's been a while since a text post has genuinely made me cringe.

>>4751698
> you looked in the mirror and said "im gonna make a change" and in 3 days when you go back to binging overwatch or LoL or whatever you're going to be right back here bitching and shitposting
You got one thing wrong there. Everything after the “I’m gonna make a change is unnecessary, anon I AM changing, I’m becoming the greatest man to ever live, I’ve only just now decided to throw humility aside and show the whole world how cool and sexy I am
>>4751684
I’ll pretend I didn’t see this because I wanna maintain the camaraderie
Good luck anons, hope you make it with your negative attitude, always tryna tear a nigga down and shit to cope

>>4751647
Hmm let’s look at the world of art and see who fits the bill of someone confident but incompetent at art.

Chris-Chan?

>>4751715
It seems to me you're the one who is coping about having nothing in his life, so he decides to put on a facade and pretend he's better than others, even though he doesn't have anything to show for it.
You're just cringeworthy

>>4750989
He's running a discord server and he's posting his work occasionally from what I have seen

Amazing how one single NGMI Dunning-Krueger could make /ic/ collectively cringe.

>>4752146
> Amazing how one single GMI Gigachad could make /ic/ collectively seethe/dilate
Thanks anon, I came back to see if there’s any good threads, but I’m done being based for today, I’m gonna go read manga now and see if I can pick up some stuff from the artstyle

>>4751216
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4750989
I remember this thread, I was straight bullying OP and all the people defending him

>>4752154
>imagine using all those buzzwords unironically
Lmao I’m glad I didn’t grow up in chan culture

>>4751776
which one?

>tfw I am keeping a secret blog to journal my art progress

>>4750989
Damn anon put him on the spot.
Tell you what, I'll say I'm going to git gud in a year here, too. I was actually probably going to kill myself in a few weeks let's assume I don't. Please remind me, bludgeon me with the crushing weight of another year lost to the locusts if I don't post my work on this, July 27th, of 2021, without it being any good. It's happened too many times without an Anon calling me out on it.

>>4752487
Addendum: I dunno about that "legend in the making" bullshit tho, that's gay. But committing to a goal of improving is peak hetero.

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>>4752488
Nobody cares. Shut up and draw. Just saying you'll do it isn't enough. In fact, it's directly detrimental to your goal, because you trick yourself into thinking you've accomplished something.

>>4751338
>No, I fully understand that my skills aren’t where they need to be or where I want them to be, but I do understand I’m inherently better than others
>but I do understand I’m inherently better than others
Based on what? When you consider yourself better than someone else you must base that on something. From what i can see here, you don't really have any proof to draw this conclusion, this is Dunning-Krueger of the highest caliber mixed with a hefty dose of Pseudo-exceptionalism

One day I will return and I won’t laugh at you all. I won’t even pity you. I’ll just shake my head from side to side and watch from above and will only intervene if a /beg/ truly needs help.

>>4751638
>pretend

When I make it, I won't forget about this board.

>>4751086
this post alone lets you know you're in for a good ride

>>4750989
>>/ic/thread/S4654045#p4654045

It's extremely unlikely that a newbie to art will succeed in studying hard enough to git gud. They don't know whether they even like art, they have no experience in studying, they don't even know what they need to study.

But what about an already decent artist doing the whole sadlawn thing, instead of going from /beg/ to gud, they go from intermediate to gud, or whatever a year of intense study would get you?

>>4750991
Been here for a year now. Time really does fly. It's practically suicide

>>4752680
based

>>4751086
cringe

I'll use this thread and take the oath of gitting gud in one year as well
Right now pic related is probably the best I can do without burning out completely
See you next year, lads

>>4752719
Well even though there's practically a 100% chance that you will give up within 2 weeks, I'll give you what I believe to be the best advice in doing this thing

Spend a few hours constructing a thorough plan of everything you need to learn.
Have a plan for every day of the year,
>ie day 1-14 study this
>day 15-30 study that
>etc to day 365
Maybe make it fluid to allow you to track what you're weak on and need to study more down the line

This way you don't find yourself a week in wondering what to draw and then subsequently not bothering because it's too much of a hassle.
Also by having it all planned out, you don't have to dwell on how long it's going to take you, you just do what the schedule tells you to do each day as if it's the only thing

>>4751216
>but just know that while you scribble away trying to make it after you’re done working at your wage cage
>>4751338
>I try to at least get in an hour or so of focused drawing a day, and I have no doubt that by the time I’m 21 I’ll be quite decent at it

I currently work 40 hours a week, but still manage to put at least 30 hours into art. you are a highschool kid with plenty more free time and are only putting in an hour each day? and you expect to get good by the age of 21??
I started getting into art around the age of 18, and by the time I was around 21 I improved a lot, sure, but could only do hyper realism using photo references, I would certainly have not considered myself any better than an amateur like you are so arrogantly doing, and back then I spent almost all of my time drawing each day.

Sit down and change your attitude and outlook for the future, you're only setting yourself up for a miserable disappointment. Consider putting more hours into art each day, don't arrogantly claim to be better than others, show some respect because those people are trying just as much as yourself, if not harder. Understand that becoming "good" (think kim jung gi level) at art isn't something you can achieve in a short period of time, it's something that will take many years, perhaps a lifetime if all you're willing to contribute is 1 measly hour of your time each day, ~10 years if you increase that to 4 hours each day (depending on how you use this time).

>>4752661
I don’t need to justify myself to you buddy, but it’s likely because I’m a sexy, intelligent, talented, mature, and strong stud of a man
>>4752842
I get well over an hour on average, something close to 3 averaged out but that number varies a lot. When I say I’m better, it’s because if we were to take everyone across the world and turn them back into babies, my baby form would be superior to everyone else’s. At the most base level, I’m a king amongst men. I’m done playing around here and trying to help people understand why I’m better than them, I’m just gonna go draw now. No more responses from me to ngmi’s for now, I’m just gonna live my life as a Chad. See you back here in a few months when I’ll be one step closer to being the regal and iconic legend I was born to be. Good luck.

>>4752862
This dude is too funny i swear

>>4752719
I shall take the oath with you then, Tidus anon.
It's been 2 months since i draw.
There's 10 months ahead.
My current goal is not mastery, but learn all the knowledge required so at least i can re-construct and draw from a reference.
I hope to see myself drawing a full body that's not standing but doing poses by the end of my year.
Pic related is my latest work.
I'm being lazy and just combined my latest head with my latest body.
please don't mind.

>>4752826
How to plan when there's so much to learn and grind??
I draw at least 1 hour a day. But it's not enough for me to practice everything i learnt, and certainly not enough when combined with studying new materials.
I don't want be stuck at sketching phase and ended up going nowhere.

>>4752826
Thanks for the input, and yeah. I've already thought of making a journal to track my progress/plan out what I need to grind.
I have "only" less than 52 weeks on me left, so I need to spend this week to plan everything out. I'm currently doing Brenton's beginner course that lasts for 8 weeks (am on week 3 at the moment). I was also thinking about revisiting different Loomis books and then start working on perspective. However, like I said, I need to spend this week on planning everything out.
>>4752915
Based, lets do our best!

>>4752915
i-is that you, pussypounder?

>>4752933
>pussypounder
who?

>>4751338
No drawing 1 hour a day for for assuming your 18 3 year will not make you good. assuming you never missed a day and was completely focused on drawing for those 1hour(which it was most likely 30-45mins) you would have 1095 hours in art which gives you an average of 365 hours a year a most. There are around 8755 hours in one year so this means you are only 12.5% of the way through your first art year. If we put this into months you have really only been drawing for the equivalent of about a month and a half over a span of 3 years or 15 days a years. What you don’t understand is just drawing an hour and a half day will not give them results in 5 years but in fact 24 years If we assume it takes a year worth of hours to get competent at something. You should be actively be practicing drawing for ideally 5-6 hours a day If you want to see improvement within 5-4 years and no watching a tutorial or reading about drawing doesn’t contribute to this total only the act of drawing does. I like your drive kid adjust those hours so you don’t waste 3 years. The math doesn’t lie.

>>4754353
some quality autism right here

>>4754353
not that anon, but why one "art year"? Why would 8000+ hours be the magic number, does that translate across disciplines?

>>4754353
so this is the power of /ic/

>>4754374
If I’m already halfway through my art year should I start to be concerned when my time is up?

>>4754374
Also not the anon you're responding to, but it's based on the meme that skill mastery takes 10,000 hours. So 8,000 hours should get you pretty good.

Kind of a meaningless number for various reasons, though. It depends on how effective and focussed your practice is. Also depends entirely on the skill. Perhaps cooking or judo or drawing or guitar counts as a single skill that takes 10k hours to master. Who really knows!? What if you draw, paint, and sculpt for a total of 10,000 hours? Are you then a master of nothing? Maybe drawing is a 5k hour skill, maybe 15k hours. Also what the fuck is "mastery"?

Anyways, I think 8k hours of focussed practice drawing would get you pretty fucking good at drawing, enough to get paid for it, although I think you'd want to learn to paint, also, if you want to get a decent amount of work, unless you're going for something really specific (comics? a particular animation position? technical drawing?).

>>4751338
>I do understand I’m inherently better than others
You keep saying this. What percentile do you think you're in?

>>4754374
Its based off of the 10,000 hour meme’s actual paper which states 10,000 hours of focused practice is the common thread between all peak preformers and looking at interviews from artists I like. Most had a huge exponential improvement streak within a 5 year span of time where they draw and/or painted for 5+ hours a day due to a desire to get better or desperation to get work. Doing simple math you see they put in about a year’s worth of work focused art practicing and free drawing if we believe they did draw every day for that amount of time

>>4754391
Just a weird thing to obsess over, especially since we're not even defining what is good and good at what? That should be the first thing to answer before you start counting hours.

An "art year" is also a massive amount of time, might be easier to just focus on the next 100 hours, 50, or even 10. Depending on the concept you're trying to learnyou can internalize in in a week or so.

Might be easier to instead go for product quotas. If I want to master comics, 1000 pages of art, animation 10,000 frames, and so on. It's better I think as it focuses you efforts instead of a broad 10,000 hours, and by the nature of completing work you're putting in the time anyway.

>>4754388
No again an art year is based off focused pratice which only happens when you are undistracted(no music or podcast playing the background) and have a set learning goals for that practice. This would be doing studies and doing excises that improve technical skill like drawing circles . Your focus should be on IDing common issue you have then going through material you have related to that practice after each study block to refine knowledge and create a plan to fix the issues you found. order to incorporate this into your what you learned effective into your intuitive abilities for art you need breaks in between each study session around 30-60 mins long where you don’t do art stuff but instead let your subconscious connect the dots in the background while focused on other work. If you’re half way through the first year and still feel bad then you need to re think your plan as you’re more then likely spending less time then you think on things definitely try getting a time tracking program to get a better idea of daily hours.

>>4754414
The hours isn’t what you focus on thou what should you be doing is blocking out your free time and deciding what you want to practice during the time you give to art. The hour tracking is meant to give a gist how long you actually have been doing art

>>4750989
>tfw started focusing more on drawing 2 years ago
>starting to get kinda decent

feels good, man.

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>>4751086
Based

>>4750989
He made it.

>>4752923
How long have you been drawing before starting the year journey?

>>4756601
One year on and off, if you don't count random scribbles throughout my life

>>4751216
Jesus Christ. I always hope posts like these are legitimately just jokes or memeing, or some one trying to make their friend look bad by being an asshole and posting their art on here. Whats the fucking point? Like, it doesnt matter how good or bad your art is when you have a shitty attitude like this literally no one will ever want to befriend you. What makes you think people will even allow you to make connections with them acting like this? Have some fucking humility - not so much that youre overbearing and crying about how bad your art is, but just "yeah I'm trying to get better, thank you for your criticism and everything". I know this is the internet and everything but still, being respectful and humble can take you miles. I know plenty of artists with garbage tier art, but at the very least are extremely kind to me and every one around them and are rewarded with exposure just for being cool. I'd honestly take being friends with a cool guy whos art isnt the greatest, over an asshole with amazing art any day.

>>4752923
Not the original anon responding to you but I like your work and attitude anon. I sincerely hope you improve and dont give up.

>>4757099
Thanks a lot, anon

>>4750993

This is obviously true, but how is drawing "fun things" fun when they come out like shitty kindergarten drawings.

>>4751338
that's a good attitude. ignore the shrieking faggots and keep going.

>>4750989

Looking at these gives me motivation, like someday I'll make it and be able to feel superior to these fags.

>>4751216
lost

>>4751338
Are you this guy?

>>4757641
Grazi
>>4757737
Ok, /beg/
>>4757749
No, I’m much better

>>4757816
>much better
>>4751216
this

Lol

>>4750989
He made it and left this garbage board to take commissions from eccentric billionaires and their furry sons that love to waste money as a side gig while he sells his real work from his mansion with his own art gallery built in. Next week he will begin his city-funded mural project that he was asked to make. A bust of his likeness will be placed at the city center in honor of his greatness.

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Now I'm also riled up. My skill right now are at a /beg/ level.
I have been really lazy lately with my art progress, but will set up a schedule for this week and see if I can stick to it.
I’ll be back 7/27-2021 to show my progress. Good luck guys.

>>4750993
I actually find grinding fundies fun

i can't fucking stand teenagers. i understand the get-off-my-lawn ass senior citizens finally. teenagers are the worst "people" on the entire planet bar none.

>>4752915
For two months you're doing really damn well with simple figures. Abdomen and belly is stretched too far and the boobs might be a little too low, but your facial expressions (besides no nose) and nipples are amazing. Hair is exceptional too for your study level, just draw a hairstyle more complex now that you got the basic shapes and perspective down.

Keep up with figure drawing and learn some color theory and digital rendering techniques. If anyone can reach a decent coom skill in a year's time, it's you. Godspeed, anon.

>>4759444
So glad I didn’t find 4chan as a teen lol

>>4757641
>that's a good attitude
yeah if you want to be an unsuccessful twerp who inevitably quits a month in

>>4750991
try 13

>>4751397
kek
>he really took it as a compliment
jesus

>>4751338
Humility is one of the most important aspects of learning, and it's something you contradicted yourself on by admitting you're not great yet.

You've already got the mindset (and lopsided morals) of a dedicated artist, but do NOT let your practice turn into an obsession. Jealousy of other's skills often led myself to study for 10+ hours straight without food, sleep, or hygeine, with no progress actually made by the end of it. I'm still not as good as my inspirations in my eyes, but depriving yourself of your own humanity will never outweigh any fortune.

Remember, you're doing this for you, to prove yourself right, not to prove us wrong.