/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Also
> an excellent teacher
> doesn't sell any full length courses

Cause hes an absolute legend.

Probably enjoys painting just for the sake of it rather then using it as a tool to get validation from people like all you cunts.

>>4726007
He teaches at LCAD

>>4726007
Who is he and why should I care?

>>4726028
You can enjoy painting and still make money from it.
Are you fucking retarded?

>>4726007
yikes

>blur
>CA

I'm a big fan but this just shits the art

>>4726170
>blur
Get fucked cunt. Not everything needs to be in focus.

lack of ambition

>>4726007
no skill, no soul!

>>4726007
I am like that too (minus the skill/soul).

I’m pretty sure sinix is one of those people who are constantly depressed over nothing

>>4726010
Chad
>>4726219
“Depressed over nothing” is accurate because all of existence amounts to nothing.

>>4726238
>nothing le matter :(
Ok neckbeard

>>4726007
Fucking Chad

>>4726238
Yeah he's probably gets depressed a lot and anxiety (but everyone on 4chan except the people at /fit/ has that), but what I respect about him is he rarely complains about it or uses his fanbase to rant like "other" artists.

>>4726170
he's the only artist I don't mind using blur and ca.
He nails it somehow

>>4726241
>I’m too afraid to confront the futility of life so I’ll call out neckbeards on a site full of them, that I myself use

>>4726007
>artstation
You don't even know what making it means

>>4726007
He has PTSD from bad experiences trying to break into the industry when he was fresh from deviantart. He seems happier now and has a wife and a cat and seems more stoked about art than ever. He lurks and shitposts here sometimes so if you’re reading this, I’m happy for you Sinix :)

>>4726363
ptsd.. yeah, bullshit! fuck off!

>>4726007
her ass looks weird and awful

>>4726371
obviously that anon didn't mean literal ptsd, i had a similar bad experience with industry work and found out it's not for me to chase money with art, despite having the skills for it, it's a shock to the system and leaves you not wanting to create for a long time, so when picking it back up again, it's comforting to not have the motivation of money behind you, instead having other sources of income outside of drawing for other peoples projects

>>4726007
Cause he's based

>>4726412
I think I want to quit art. I'm sick of the industry's generic garbage and sick of the social media side, and on top of all I am sick of the people I'm supposed to work for.
I was looking up generic drawing tags on twitter and the majority of the results were disgusting to look at and the only consistent factor was that every single thing that was openly fetishistic or pornographic has an order of magnitude more likes. Same with DA and any other generic art site. ArtStation is already infested with Sakimichan lookalike insectoids who do absolutely nothing creative or original.
And any of this garbage gets 1000x the attention than anything made with heart or passion for 1/10 of the effort. I have no idea how people are capable of living with this cucked reality of the art world, knowing that they have to do so much effort to have it so fucking difficult when the same people turning their nose are probably praising some of this disgusting shit, paying for it and telling you that if you care about these things they give away so easily you're just making art because you want to feed your ego or make money. It's absolutely maddening, how the fuck is it possible to work as an artist when you know that people are like this?

>>4726007
Idgaf what /ic/ says, Sinix is based.

>>4726267
Don't bother with the underage normies, they'll never grow out of their monkey brains.

>>4726483
No need to samefag

>>4726007
literally WHOmegalul

>>4726496
gtfo my board, normie

>>4726028
Projecting isnt good for u

>>4726472
>thinks that the art industry is social media and Sakimichan ripoffs.

>>4726472
You give up and draw as a hobby or simply for fun.
Disregard every professional opportunity, networking or simply "making it".
Due to the nature of social media and how the industry has evolved, shit's fucked bad.
Unironically interested on how your work looks.

>>4726256
/fit/ is ONLY fairies with depression and anxiety: that's why they feel the need to lift.

>>4726472
there's a lot better art that what is immediately put in-front of your face, and some genuinely great artists proving that genuine good work does pay off. keep at it anon.

>>4726472
I feel you anon. A few years back I was really interested in getting better to become a concept artist or something like that.
The more I learned and the more I studied, I've been left to only have interest on participating in traditional circles and trying to do stuff like participate in local art events focused on gallery type work. While I do things that I like and are quite personal just for the mere fun of it.

I realized that there isn't much merit to the idea of "making it" at least in the terms that some people put it. Why would I want to be a shit tier employee of some company that puts out entertainment products (mistakenly called art many times) for a meager pay and a lot of stress when I could do something else while I do art and have a better life?
I won't claim I'm where I'd like to be yet and I still have a long way to go. Who knows, perhaps my views might change with time. But right now I think I can totally understand Sinix no participating in all that stuff. As I personally have more interest in drawing and painting for myself than to have others obsess over it.

>>4726007
>It is the privilege of the gods to want nothing, and of godlike men to want little.
sinix=cynics?

>>4726170
There is literally nothing wrong with blur

>>4726530
>just doodle mindlessly in your spare time
I have yet to see one person who's moved by actual passion for something who felt fulfilled "doing it for fun" which means nothing, of course I have fun drawing, I wouldn't be passionate about it if I didn't. But people pick up this stuff because they have something to say usually, I haven't found a single musician or artist who was actually passionate and didn't try to find and outlet. This argument is just bullshit, you're asking me to quit or go insane.
>>4726551
Where is it? Every time someone say this and I ask them to show me something amazing or different, they show me yet another generic artist I'm sick of. I would be okay if there were a sign that something can grow in this sea of shit but I fail to see anything that would change my mind.
>>4726568
I've dropped "making it" as a career ages ago, I just hate the idea of posting art online for the sake of sharing it and the best case scenario is getting probably 10 likes and not a single word. It used to be different, it felt like people had something to say with art and if you made something heartfelt you'd get found by someone who related. Now it's all completely soulless and I'm so damn tired of seeing porn and garbage instead of anything human. I hate this new generation so much.

>>4726637
>you're asking me to quit or go insane
Are you fucking retarded?
You want to let it out? Let it out then. what are you even bitching about?

What it seems to me is that you want acknowledgement which has nothing to do with passion or fun.
Honestly, just post your work or stop bitching
>Inb4 not pyw
Stop bitching then
It's your own fault

>>4726472
We need a community for patricians.

>>4726712
Why do you anime porn shitters always get so mad when I reply that their lazy idiot argument is retarded? There's no point in "letting it out" because unless you play the retarded social media game you don't exist, and people are just not interested in anything but anime tits anymore.
I understand that in your eyes everything's mighty fine, not everyone's a brainlet who's happy with this shit or happy with bending over and drawing fanart and porn.

>>4726760
>implying
I don't want to hear another bitching unless you
post your work

>>4726774
do you not draw anime porn fanart faggotry? I will not play your retarded little game, I know where you're coming from

>>4726791
No, i don't.
I don't even post anywhere.
Now post your work

>>4726797
see you in a few years

>>4726637
I’m having a feeling your that dunning kruger who talked about having talent and getting no likes on social media.

>>4726813
Pathetic

>>4726818
sorry for attributing to malice what was just naivete

>>4726834
eh, you know, i wasn't gonna call your work shit and was seriously going to give you helpful advice but you act like a fag and your shits all retarded
your work probably sucks too
gtfo my board, retard

>>4726844
Not him... but what advice could you give? Learn to draw first, then you can give advice.

>>4726844
lol.. 'my board'.

>>4727873
it is my board. the sooner you accept it the better off everyone will be

>>4727884
Yeah outside of the lolicons and futafags, this really is a board for delusional /beg/s.

>>4726637
>Now it's all completely soulless and I'm so damn tired of seeing porn and garbage instead of anything human. I hate this new generation so much.
It has to do with how in general social medias grew.
Before facebook / insta / twitter, art forums were places populated by passionate people, where you could exchange and even make a name of yourself if you were good and a nice person / you partipated actively.
With social medias, you art has become a quickly seen, quickly forgotten product that people browse without giving any much thought. Just look at someone browsing instagram, your perfect composition and rendering will be seen like what, 3 seconds top?
If you play the social media game, you're accepting the fact that your art becomes just another 3 seconds dopamine kick for your viewer, because new content, and that's it.
If you want to make it, your art needs to be part of something actualy sellable. Games, merch, comics etc
Patreon is not that different, most of successfull patreons offer a package or offer value. Usualy it's a video process explaining to begs how their idol is doing it, or they offer you a vote in the next pic etc, making you feel important.

>>4727727
based
now pyw

>>4726412
>despite having the skills for it
you obviously don't have the skills then. stop lying to yourself!

>>4728182
you didn't read the post did you anon. i had industry work, and didn't enjoy it. sorry to burst your bubble, but drawing uninteresting shit for art directors all day isn't all it's cracked up to be

>>4726170
retard

>>4728235
you tried and failed, because you lack the skills to thrive in it.
wait, no... you are right! you must be better than the "industry"! fuck off!

Most artists never made it. Most from thus point onwards still won't make it. This obsession that you dogs"making it" is annoying. There are many int-professional level artists that work normal jobs with comms on the side ir simply dont get paid at all, working on their fat tiddied waifu and merc wips at their parents' house. Most fastfood wagies make more money than the average artist getting paid solely for their work. A little over a hundred dollars a month on patreon isnt going to cut it.
Sometimes you just gotta draw because you like it. Shocking, I know.

>>4726760
>>4726637
>and the best case scenario is getting probably 10 likes and not a single word
yeah nobody cares about your 2deep4u modern """artistic""" trash. it's probably scuffed, low skilled and unappealing.
pyw to prove me wrong but the people who seethe like this are always the most delusional dunning kruger

he suffers from the same problem as red letter media. when you watch their reviews you agree with all their critiques. and when you finally watch their movie holy shit are you disappointed. and they're like "space cop was bad on purpose."

i mean, yea he's better than me but i don't find his art appealing even though i understand his critiques of other art both true and helpful.

idk how that happens to people but it does.

>>4728277
I think that anon, is the one who posted pic related.

>>4728277
>the people who seethe like this are always the most delusional dunning kruger
I've found that people who act so protective of the market that's leading them by the nose always draw like >>4726797
Most people on this board are retarded and delusional, but they all have in common that they want to fit into this environment. I would be saying the same things even if I didn't draw at all. The shit that passes for art today is garbage. And you're correct, everything that isn't fanart anime porn is now considered pretentious 2deep4u modern "artistic" trash. People will literally call you pretentious if you do not care for these things, lmao as if not wanting to draw Link getting pegged made me some kind of intellectual pseud.

>>4728288
Shit like this makes me terrified to pmw because I’ll always have the meme hanging over my head

>>4728297
Agreed. Weebs are a disease.

>>4728297
>hurr durr why doesn't the market cater to MY needs
>implying i'm protecting the market
>being this utterly retarded and delusional
I was agreeing with that fag until he started oozing his paranoid insecurity.
>boo uuh nobode laiks muh stuff cuz porn and anime y is nobody giving me likes i-i-im not doing this for attention im doing this because im talented and i have the passion why is nobody donating to my patreon u must b a porn shitter if u dont agree with me
I gave him the opportunity to prove himself right and post his work
but no, gotta play the victim card
gotta point out the boogeyman because you're fucking insecure of your garbage but you'd hate for someone to actually tell it right to your face because you'd kill yourself

less bitching more pyw faggot

What does "making it" even mean for you spergs? Working in the industry?

As far as I'm concerned, Sinix made it, he has an youtube channel with a community he can enjoy, has a decent extra income from patreon (and probably adsense on yt) and is a mostly stabilished teacher, besides being married and happy with it. What exactly would it take for him to "make it" according to you?

>>4728302
Here's the trick: there are people who post good art sometimes, nobody replies or if they do they say "just keep going man, you'll make it eventually!" or straight up bullshit that they're not good enough to earn a penny or their art is "boring" (read: not anime or porn), until the thread dies and it's never brought up again. You only get to see >>4728288 because it fits the narrative, just like the false #metoo accusations will never matter etc. etc.
We live in an era of narratives instead of truths.
And in this case none of this even matters because it's 100% true that art today is generic trash. There are hardly any artists with a vision coming through, and the only people you see who still look like individuals are all boomers who wouldn't make it past 5 views today. This has very little to do with skill, in fact when someone is exceptionally skilled they're automatically locked into a meme 5 point perspective random stuff act that is incredibly tiring to look at, because if they don't do it and they use those skills to make something sensible people will ignore it and will definitely not buy their courses which are almost invariably the only source of revenue for this kind of artist.
The actual subject matter that makes any money or get any attention is always the same generic shit, fanart and porn. And there's surely a 1% of genuinely good art but it's drowned so deep into the muck it would be impossible to find if you were actually looking for it.

>>4728330
I barely understood what you said because I’m a brainlet, but the gist of it was “fuck it, just draw lol, everything is meaningless, kek”

>>4728340
It's funny because behind this tough act there's the actual defeatism: this is how things work and in a twisted way it's actually sort of meritocratic, tHiS iS wHaT tHe pUbLiC wAnTs YoU kNoW, you do this or you are invisible, draw porn and this retarded "draw for fun" thing which is just telling people with someone to say to stay at home while the people who draw for easy tax-free porn buxx slowly replace them.
I hate this "don t complain" boomerfaggotry, it's retarded. Everyone knows it's shit deep down, everyone knows how corrupt and retarded it is except the people who love the idea of making 3000$ a month drawing porn and want everyone who's not compliant with that to be removed, and retarded /beg/s who think they will make it because a guru told them or simply do not have anything to say and will quit for videogames in 2 years.

>>4728326
making it in art not life retard.

I am talking about art that fucking matters, shit that's not solely made as a way to kill time. Shit that you see in good games, manga or sold in prints. Shit that you invest time and effort in instead of the usual shit he does which he's not attached to at all.

Read the fucking post moron

>>4728372
So yeah, working in the industry lmao

>>4728360
Well, if you don't put your money where your mouth is, you have no right to complain.
Yes, everything's shit but you're seriously not doing anything yet want the world and the markets to completely change to support you. You want people to serve you everything you want on a platter while doing absolutely nothing but complain and shit on others who actually put in the time and effort.
You throw shit on a canvas and complain that no millionaire wants to buy it.
If you had something relevant to say that you would express with your art, you would not be here complaining about the current state of the e-market.
And of course, anyone who doesn't agree with you must be the enemy.
You're just delusional, mate.

>>4728378
>
If you had something relevant to say that you would express with your art, you would not be here complaining about the current state of the e-market.
>And of course, anyone who doesn't agree with you must be the enemy.
It's interesting how you just said these two things in the same breath. Yeah of course if you try and fail it means you had nothing interesting to say, checks out flawlessly which I assume is why the most successful artists the internet has produced in the last 10 years just draw pron and fanart or spam politics on twitter. That's very interesting and relevant.

>>4728403
>i'm completely delusional yet if you're pointing that out while saying that you are being a hypocrite
you're retarded

>>4728407
>If you try and fail it means what you have to say is not worth having around (but yet more porn and fanart and pandering are, the system is perfect)
and at the same time
>Hurrr you have confirmation bias
you don't even know how to argue

>>4728414
>am trai n feil dud trus me
>u cant argue cuz u dont agree with my delusions haha i win the argument
Nigger, post your work

>>4728414
Reading from all of your post, i got the gist of it. You’re bitching that the market doesn’t suit your taste and you want it changed. Don’t need to read more into it.

>>4728462
The market by definition is always shit.

>>4728443
Implying you wouldn't vanish like every other tough /beg/ I was in this argument with before you, not because I'm that amazing but because the strawman in your stupid little head is so deeply rooted you wouldn't be able to cope with anybody better than >>4726797 making claims you dislike. You're right anon, it's all about merit, keep doodling for fun, as I said, see you in a few years. I'll probably still complain while I draw, you'll have quit like every other person on your side of this argument. I have outlasted any of you tough guys and I'll keep outlasting you while being a bitter asshole about it until the day I die, because I actually give a shit.

>>4728462
>You’re bitching that the market doesn’t suit your taste and you want it changed.
See, you're a defeatist. it's shit, but it's my fault if it doesn't "suit my taste". And the issue I have is deeper than that too, I'm not complaining that there's only fast food, I'm complaining that there is only McDonald's. People are rechewing the same already digested shit over and over instead of producing anything vaguely original, that's my fucking issue.
But oh wait original things aren't worth anything because they're original and pretentious etc. etc.
It's just not worth validating you.

>>4728487
you know what i find strange?
All this self-fellatio, yet no work posted yet.
>G-g-guys im the best there is
>Prove it
>NOOOOOOO UR JUST JELUS CUZ U STUPID IN A FEW YEARS YOU'LL SEE I'LL SHOW THEM ALL HOW WRONG THEY WERE
All the (you)s in the world won't make up for the school shooting you're about to commit

>>4728504
Apparently you are not just stupid, you're plain illiterate since I never even touched on being the best there is, as I said I would be making these comments regardless of my personal level of skill or position in the art world, and I never said "I'll show 'em" or graced you with the idea that you're jealous, because I have nothing to prove to you.
See you in a few years, I'm sure you'll do a lot of drawing "for fun" whatever the fuck that means.

>>4728519
Apparently you're not just pathetic, you're also autistic.
Post your work.

>>4728521
If you actually made an argument instead of throwing tantrums and insults there would have been a point to it.

>>4728525
>glug glug glug
>im retarded but dont call me out on it
Just that you didn't even post a single piece that is better than this>>4726797
which you consider beg garbage while complaining how the art world doesn't give a flying fuck about your work
Must mean you either dont draw, or that your garbage is even filthier than my own
post your work

>>4728531
I think a couple years is too much. I give you one, maybe 10 months depending on how high school adjusts to the 'rona

>>4728544
oh, school shooter-senpai, why aren't you posting your work?

>>4726472
>And any of this garbage gets 1000x the attention than anything made with heart or passion for 1/10 of the effort.
Welcome to the world of culture and art. Generic and polished sells, as does sex, and people actually putting thought and passion into their work, or people that like to stray from the path of what is considered mainstream, more often than not get the short end of the stick. Doesn't matter if it's art, music, writing, comics, films, plays. Get used to it and carve out your niche, or quit and become a hobbyist (nothing wrong with that)

>>4728550
>Get used to it and carve out your niche, or quit and become a hobbyist (nothing wrong with that)
Wow, your'e seriously asking him to quit trying to make money and fame with his unmarketable garbage or to put in TIME and EFFORT and make it without handouts?
you must be a porn shitter

>>4728560
When have I said anything about his work being unmarketable garbage, or about him not putting in any time and effort? Stop trying to bait me into your cringeworthy argument. The market situation is complete and utter shit and he is objectively right, there's just not much he can do about it.

>>4728569
>ah the market is bad, the market is this
>doesn't know anything about the market
Stop samefagging and post your work

>>4728550
The thing is how the fuck do you carve out your niche in 2020? It's all tied to this algorithm crap and consoomer normies devouring shit in 0.2 seconds and you simply do not exist unless you use wildly popular tags or suck a popular sociopath's dick to get a mass of uninterested insectoids to pick your real public from. It's not even an issue that people do not like your work, they don't even get to see it unless it's attached to something that is trending.
When it's not a faggot like the guy above replying to this concern I get someone's motivational speech and I think I might be just seeing things wrong then they link yet another generic anime concept artist on artstation as if that were something inspiring.
The only people that do something interesting are a bunch of insanely skilled teachers who only get by as teachers, and honestly, outside of the skills often do the most trite shit imaginable.
I'm sure I'm painting everything blacker than it is but it gets worse and worse each year and I get constant confirmations of this shitty pattern. If I had a sliver of proof that things are not as cucked as they are I'd feel a lot better and maybe get motivated again.

>>4728580
post your work

>>4728576
Not samefagging, my guy, I just so happen to like culture and the biggest part of the attention unanimously goes to things that are polished but have little artistic merit, regardless of which cultural field you are talking about (of course, exceptions exist). I know it might be shocking to you, but two people who don't know each other having similar opinions is a thing.
>post your work
No, i'm a hobbyist doodler at best, and it has nothing to do with the argument.

>>4728580
How did artists carve out their niche before social media?

>>4728580
>The thing is how the fuck do you carve out your niche in 2020
Quantity and networking with the right people. A good portion of luck can help, of course, but being persistent and knowing how to play the social media game, which also exists for whatever your niche is, is key.

>>4728586
Dude why do you think you have any weight in this conversation when this is your work >>4726797 a shitty 2 inch doodle. You didn't even post something finished, this might as well not be yours because who the fuck is going to recognize who drew this? You didn't put any effort in your challenge, why the fuck would I dignify you? You're like a little child throwing punches, get the fuck out please.

>>4728597
>"two" people with the exact same mannerism and writing sharing the exact same opinion
>haha shocking rite
>haha im doodler am not gon post work but everything shit why am i not getting attention?
Why aren't you posting your work?
>>4728613
>WAAAH ur work not good it is not up to my standarts there is no challenge haha i could beat you easily haha
at least i posted my work
You apparently can't do better than that

>>4728598
>How did artists carve out their niche before social media?
Great idea anon, let me fetch my time machine so I can do what they did.

>>4728598
They put in time and effort instead of relying unto others to give them handouts

>>4726760
Your problem is that you're completely dependent on other people. So what if people don't give a shit about you on social media?

>>4728621
>"two" people with the exact same mannerism and writing sharing the exact same opinion
If you actually read what both the other anon and i wrote you would notice that this isn't true at all. I'm much less jaded and bitter about it because I don't consider myself an artist, so it doesn't impact me negatively.
>Why aren't you posting your work?
See above.
Anyway, you'll stick to your samefag narrative, so continuing this conversation would be an exercise in futility. Have a nice day!

>>4728630
>implying
>It's the same dictionary and attitude as the other fag
>N-n-no im not the same
Pathetic
Pyw

>>4728629
>So what if people don't give a shit about you on social media?
How dare they? It's the animes and porn fault for those stupid consumers to not consume my genius work.
Im passionate and talented. People should know that.
Now go donate to my patreon.

>>4728622
The answer I was fishing for was, they didn't.

>>4726007
They already "made it", you're just a whiny cunt because they're not doing what you want.

>>4728672
Why do you insist that I made this entirely about me? Are you schizophrenic? Can you tell me where the fuck did I say all the things you're attributing to me? Are you sure you are actually reading my posts and you took your medicines?

>>4728784
Post your work.

>>4726472
>how the fuck is it possible to work as an artist when you know that people are like this?
Unironically, the best way to play this game is to not play at all - or at least change your definition of "making it".
One of the most important things I strive for in art is this idea of making it to the higher ranks of artists that I follow. I don't consider 10k followers and a portfolio full of fan-art as "making it". I want to be recognised by other artists, who share similar views on artistic expression and creativity. I'd rather have an honest compliment about my work from someone I look up to than recognition and commissions by a thousand normies. Most artists I follow have less than 3k followers, they don't use hastags or advertise their stuff elsewhere, they just create good stuff and share it from time to time. I'd say 95% of "artists" that use hastags like "under10kgang" should just fucking neck themselves.

>>4728813
Yeah, this is exactly what I am saying. I don't care about being popular with normies, I just want someone who gives a shit and has similar tastes. For some reason there's always a sperg who gets upset as if I said something entitled.
How the hell do you find these people? When I start off somewhere I am completely isolated and everyone else seems to be doing the same shit. It's alienating as hell.
I haven't been rejected, I never got in touch to begin with. Can you at least drop a few links or examples so i understand what kind of art you're talking about? I want to hope my judgement is clouded and there's still something underneath all this fanart shit, but every time someone says something like this and I ask for an actual example, it's just a variation of cute anime girls.

>>4728839
>How the hell do you find these people?
by posting your work

>>4728888
No you don't, you stupid faggot, and you wouldn't know because you said you don't post your shitty doodles anywhere. Are you gonna samefag and say something about the digits?

>>4728900
wtf you schizo lmao
just post your work

>pyw!!!
>no!!!
>repeat
do you retards seriously have nothing better to do with your life

>>4728943
pyw

>>4728943
>faggot claims the whole market is against him
>faggots starts sperging out for being called out on his delusional faggotry
>doesn't go in the vent thread with his beg coomplains
>still hasn't posted work because he can't do better than my shitty doodle
>faggot is even smug about it
I have proven that i actually draw.
The faggot has not and i've got all the time in the world to make him post his work.

>>4729002
Actually you're just being annoying and you're spamming the board.

>>4729024
>circlejerking about your insecurity isn't spamming and annoying
You still haven't posted your work
This is a work posting board
Post your work

>>4729037
it's also a board where /beg/s are told to fuck off to /beg/

>>4729042
Then post your work and send me to beg

>>4729037
based, tell it the way it is.

>>4729037
no, it's a shitposting board!

>>4729037
No this is a venting board

>>4729056
you know what makes a shitpost even better?
posting your work with it

>>4728248
you're making a lot of assumptions, boy.

But honestly, this is the most crab-like encounter i've had the fortune to have here. Thank you for the entertainment.

>>4728839
well, I follow some animu-artists too, mainly because of the way they paint, but a good western example might be daniol, Daniel Chavez. He works at 343 industries and is well known in the industry. That's probably the reason he doesn't have the need to constantly pander to his audience or shill his shit. His sketches are insane.
>https://www.instagram.com/daniol_art/
I'll just dump some artists I follow that mainly do concept work or personal stuff
>https://www.instagram.com/farazshanyar/
>https://www.instagram.com/slave_eye/
>https://www.instagram.com/blackgoldsun/
>https://www.instagram.com/ayseiremaktas/

>>4729227
no assumptions. you just suck at art and need excuses. get over it!

>>4726472

>>4729289

>>4726007
Maybe the real profit is teaching people

>>4729281
>I've been putting too much pressure on myself to financially support myself with art, and that's been a massive strain to my relationship with art and a huge blow to my self worth in general. It's tough not to wrap up your identity into what you do. I was just hit with this massive cloud of pessimism that no matter what I'd try to do to succeed it would just flop.
>I thought only painting what I (thought) I wanted to paint would be amazing and I'd love it, but I just got caught in this confusing web of financial stress and self doubt that put a lot of what I wanted to do and planned on hold. I still don't really have an answer or know what I'm going to do in the long run, but for now I'm going to start taking steps to put art back in the context of a hobby I love to do in my free time to express myself, instead of crushing it under the pressure of relying on it to support me and feeling totally defeated when it doesn't.
Heh, random post I landed on. Really sucks considering how good this guy is. Shame things are like this. I probably just have to look at it the same way instead of burning myself out like this and getting bitter that garbage makes it through so easily while guys like this have to become hobbyists.
Judging by the follows I think I might know who you are.

>>4726007
Making it, for me is reaching a level of skill. Maybe some other artists look at it that way. The audience is secondary but unfortunately with the way SM works you can get sucked into numbers.
Getting a job at some triple A vidya company always seems to produce the same soulless stuff, I literally can't tell the difference between artists. I'd be sad if I had to produce that and nothing else.

>>4726170
What is CA?
Stop using acronyms gfdi

>>4729436
probably chromatic aberration

>>4729459
Is there even chromatic aberration on the pic? I only see the huge, disgusting rim lights

>>4729500
idk but the real aberration in that picture is that ass

>>4726637
Anon from >>4726568 here. Have you tried connecting with groups of people that do art and might have a similar outlook? Or perhaps local groups or even older people in different environments.
I think I'm on the same boat as you, although I don't feel as frustrated. But perhaps it's because I have managed to find a couple little groups here and there. But I understand you wouldn't want to engage with the more public online aspect of the whole thing. I avoid social media as well and find the whole ordeal of posting stuff out to complete strangers rather pointless.
I think what could help you is perhaps to post on some kind of small online gallery with other people, or doing something that's more personal where you'll get to connect more than someone and talk about both your work and the other person's.

Right now, I think thisi s likely the better option. Venturing out into social media s a whole without really talking to anyone I think is very hard to endure, extremely boring and uninteresting.

>>4726070
not really, no. even if you think it'll be alright it's the metric that dictates you as an artist. also, you will be getting barely anything without conforming yourself to the market.

>>4730071
>Have you tried connecting with groups of people that do art and might have a similar outlook? Or perhaps local groups or even older people in different environments.
Yeah I tried but I never found an environment. Outside of the anime/porn/fanart/popularity chaser groups there only seem to be 'improvement' focused bands of aspiring industry workers whose aim in art seems to be annihilating every trace of personal taste and identity so they can be on ArtStation, they make art that looks like they hate drawing. And in general everyone seems to be broadcasting from his own little bubble - I rarely like the art they make because I am an outsider but I wonder if these people even like art from people with the same interests.

>>4729284
ok crab

>>4730271
maybe some of us could make a small discord for us that share the same sentiment
id be onboard

>>4726363
what is "the industry" everyone I know or hear about in "the industry" says they made more doing private commissions. A lot of it not even coom. If what people strive for when they say "the industry" is making magic cards for like 800 dollars a job, im not sure if I would ever want to make it.

>>4730819
"the industry" is a blanket term to describe the mainstream media studios ana rtist can work on

videogame illu/concept design, animation, movies, etc etc

and desu most people that define "making it" as getting a job at a big studio would get easily dissapointed and turned off by it as they have this romantic image of industry work in their head

nah, just a normal job like any other

>>4726007
>he thinks making it is being famous and making money

NGMI.

>>4730819
For Sinix, he was trying to get into concept art, I think it was the video game industry that assblasted him.

>>4731001
what happened?

>>4730809
This is not the solution to the problem, creating a Discord chatroom after someone spergs out about how shit everything is won't create anything lasting. I'd rather hope that people who agree with this sentiment become more open to being contacted or reaching out to other artists on the networks they already belong to, to spread some humanity instead of fueling this people-as-content shit. There's no point in having a secret Discord club of failed/frustrated artists if it's going to be yet another bubble.

>>4731003
He talks about it in one of his videos but if I recall correctly he bit off more than he could chew and couldn’t keep up with the workload or something

>>4731319
I do agree tat something like a closed discord might not be for the best. Perhaps a more opened sort of group would work better.

>>4732159
Discords groups will never work.
We had this discussion already.

>>4726010
where can i find these courses?

>>4732191
then what?
make a dedicated forum? cuz grouping up on social media is a no go so i dont know what else one could do than to go the old school forum route

or use another websites tools to create our own space like deviantart or pixiv

im all for sulking in my own artistic frustrations alone rambling online abotu how shit communities are, but i also see 0 effort into making something, even if it fails so what

>>4732724
hell even japs form their own artistic groups and grow like a team or some shit

>>4732724
Then nothing. You can't have nice things because of the autistic people.
>even if it fails so what
Are you fucking retarded?
Ok, let me tell you how it's going to go down
>Make artist community
>people join
>Everybody posts their work but doesn't talk
>"GUYS why dont you talk?"
>Everybody talks but doesn't draw
>"GUYS why don't you talk?"
>People get ignored when posting their work
>"HOW DARE THEY IGNORE ME"
>if females joins the community is going to be filled up with simps
>if trannies joins the community will be filled up with gay propaganda
>if degenerates joins the community will be filled up with porn and underage kids
>if underage kids join the community will be filled up with drama and porn
>Everybody will be walking around eggshells because they don't want to get cancelled or having the community turned against them for disagreeing on somebodies delusions
>Nobody will give any critique because they don't want to get cancelled
>Anons will get frustrated because they aren't hogging all the attention
>Anons will get frustrated because other are hogging all the attention
>Anons will get frustrated because there will be the weekly retard having a nervous breakdown about why he doesn't get attention
>The community will be filled up to 80% with insecure faggots who will bite at the smallest perceived provocation
>The community will be filled with retards that can't read and project their own insecurities on anything that will slightly disagree with them
>Community will die and you will have not made any friends, any networking and you will not have drawn anything because you were busy chasing the social dopamine
>You'll end up here making threads about why everything sucks and you're a genius but people are retarded for not acknowledging your genius when in reality your work is just boring.or plain shit
You're just better off killing yourself or quitting art.
>>4732742
You don't know shit, gaijin.

Real talk: why do I like nothing?
I can't find anything interesting. Everything I see is amazingly skilled but it doesn't make me feel anything and it looks like it was all made by the same person.
Can someone experienced tell me if it's normal to feel like this? Is it just because I am depressed? Do I just not like art any more, although if I look at older art I like I still like it?

>>4735232
It's a mixture of endstage depression, how you grew up and the perception of your surroundings.
I'm going to assume you were always ridiculed or bullied for liking things or family and friends were never supportive of anything you did.
An unhealthy sense of shame and insecurity developed:
>I can't like, do or speak about things because people are going to give me shit for everything i do, say or like.
Now count in the factor that most contemporary art is low-value and consumercentric, made for the sole purpose of consuming it like a drug.
Add the current social mental health.
Add the current overflow of information.
Amplify it by 10x because of the internet and social media.
This should explain your current situation.
You can only fix it by absolutely removing yourself from anything that has to do with the internet, which is almost and practically impossible nowadays.

>>4726545
One must imagine Zyzzyphus happy.

>>4735602
It's this plus dopamine addiction, stop watching porn and take a weekend away from the computer.

>>4736186
Dopamine addiction is definitely not a problem I have.
All I do for dopamine is shitposting

>>4736186
There no such thing as dopamine addiction.

>>4726007
I sorta understand him. I've been 4 weeks dragging my feet trying to draw my first commissions (which I'm not interested in at all but $50 is $50), meanwhile in a few hours I drew a very nice anime scene and I'm happy with it. I'd rather keep drawing whatever I WANT and forget about putting any kind of pressure in my art.
Though, I would still try to monetize my original art.