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/vent/ your art-related frustrations here

>> No.4692702

>>4692676
>tfw no armless gf

>> No.4692717
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Everybody always laughs at me when I ask how to improve quicker, as if they themselves were already improving at max speed.

>> No.4692767

>>4692717
i mean, there is now ay to improve quick, what people call improve fast is the person gridning 8+ hours a day, that way they put 5 years worth of work into 2-2.5 years

you have to be realistic there is no magic pill
disregard people who laugh at you for wanting to be good but you yourself gotta stop looking for those shortcuts because that same attitude will make you be eaten and spit out in the art world if you ever wnated to do commissions

just practise and draw even if a little per day just dont stop and youll get there fuck everyone else and fuck wanting shortcuts that dont exists just fucking draw

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>>4692676
>start posting coomshit to social media about a year ago
>not /beg/, get commissions every now and then
>have only 80 followers on Twitter, but 300+ on dA
>find a /beg/ on Twitter who started at about the same time as I did
>500+ followers
>they post the same soulless anime drawings nearly every day with no improvement
>some of them looked clearly traced off designdoll
>it's not even coom art

Why the FUCK does this bullshit happen? Is uploading everyday really the only way to grow your follower count even if you only upload literal shit? I'd hate to see my art dip in quality if I try to force myself to make an upload every day but I can't see any other way to grow my follower count faster. I fucking hate social media

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my hand hurts

>> No.4692800
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>spend 2 minutes on some shitty sketch
>200 likes
>spend 8 hours on a painting
>2 likes, lose followers

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4692854

Can’t spend more than 2 hours playing bidya before my art starts deteriorating

I feel like I’ve regressed by months after 2 days of slacking. Almost want to see what happens if I take it even further

>> No.4692876

>>4692800
You operate best under comfortable conditions. If you’re straining at the edge of your ability you will learn a lot but it will be ugly. Try to get to a point where what you took two hours to do can be done faster and more easily, and then by that point it will be as natural looking as your sketches.
Essentially it’s all about making everything have the feeling of a sketch. I advise looking at painters in the alla Prima technique to see what that looks like: they were painters who realised people liked sketches more and so they turned their paintings towards more immediate styles whilst not sacrificing pursuit of reality

>> No.4692900

>Be 18
>Really want to make coom art
>Start gathering a bunch of references
>Collect a few female models
>Some of them look really attractive
>Decide to reverse-image-search the .JPGs I found
>Some of them belong to high-res photo collections
>The kind that are above 5k pixels and locked behind a pay-wall
>Discover forums that dump the sets
>Some of these sets have from 65 to 160+ individual images
>Have to download them individually
>Takes maybe twenty to thirty minutes or maybe more to download them all to a hard drive
>But the process of clicking each one at a time, right-clicking, and then clicking "save image as" gets very repetitive
>Gets so tedious and repetitive, I have to make up various algorithms for better downloading efficiency like some sort of coomer speed-run
>Been doing this for years
>Never used them once for drawing references
>Been thinking about printing them out on letter size photo paper and storing them in binders
>Hoping this will get me away from my computer and actually get me to use the gigabytes of images I have gained and bandwidth I've burned

>> No.4692903

>>4692781
you must stop caring about internet numbers my friend. anyone can tell when you're vying for numbers and it turns people off instantly.

>> No.4692905

we already have a vent thread, delete this thread and then yourself REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.4692982
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I'm on the verge of just giving up on gestures, period. I feel like a fucking little kid who's sitting at the table stumped on some dumbass easy math problem while his dad screams at him because he's exhausted literally every possible way he can think of of trying to explain it. I watched that fucking Proko video like ten times now and yet when I actually try to do it myself it's like my brain just refuses to apply any of it and plays by its own rules. Hate that I can't get the proportions right either; blows my mind how people can just do one stroke and get everything perfect while I just throw shit at the wall and hope something sticks.

I tried doing iterations thinking I could analyze each one and retry it but shit you can see how well that worked. For that final one on the right I just gave up and traced the guy. I don't know how to approach this anymore, because it feels like the more times this gets explained to me the more confusing it gets.

>> No.4692994

>>4692982
>I'm on the verge of just giving up on gestures

Outlining is not gesture, you can't give up on something you still haven't even tried. Watch Vilppu, Proko is shit.

>> No.4693001

>>4692994
See that's exactly the fucking problem I thought I was trying to draw gesture all this time and here you say actually no I wasn't. It can't be that Vilppu is literally the only person in the world who knows how to teach this to brainlets like me but shit nobody else is working so I guess he must be.

>> No.4693005

>>4693001
Gesture is capturing the flow of a pose, the anatomy doesn’t matter so much. Stick figures can have gesture. The most important line in a gesture drawing is the line of action, and beginners should always try to find and draw the line of action. Millions of tutorials talk about it. Once you have the line of action, you can place the skeleton along it. It’s good to know your skeletons because they teach you proportion and landmarks, whilst not making you feel bad because they’re less hard to draw than a human. After you’ve placed the skeleton, you can draw the muscles and skin. Or you can leave it as a quick gestural drawing p, either way

>> No.4693010

>>4693001
Gesture is more about feeling instead of seeing, don't worry anon I thought outlining was gesture for a long time as well. Just pick up your cock and jam it back in there.

>> No.4693024

>>4692982
>I'm on the verge of just giving up on gestures, period.
I keep posting this to /ic/ but no one reads it. Don't do gesture studies if you are a beginner. Just don't. Gestures seem like an easy thing to recommend to beginners, because to experienced artists, they're easy. The advice is easy too. "Just grind some 1-5 minute gestures, bro". It's very low hanging fruit advice to give to newbies.

Gestures are important, but as a beginner you will flounder and fail spectacularly. As a beginner you are not able to even begin to see the underlying line of action and dynamics in gestures. You will haphazardly guess where to put flow lines. You will haphazardly attempt to block in the form. And you will fail.

Again, gestures are important. But beginners shouldn't attempt them, at least often. It seems simple but there are a lot of underlying complexities. The fact that they seem so simple will make them even more frustrating than something like a perspective or anatomy study. Which are as complex as they appear to be. So it's less frustrating to fail with them.

It's very easy to forget what it was like to be a beginner. Most ints and adv artists have forgotten what it was like to have no ability to "feel the form", or whatever you want to call it. All you can do is draw and grind on other tasks for several hundred hours and come back to gesture later.

>> No.4693035

>>4692900
Did you coom to the picture sets at least?

>> No.4693036

>>4692900
What kind of art references are these? JAV gravure I assume?

>> No.4693038

>>4692982
It might help to do gestures with a pencil or charcoal pencil on paper. I find quick gesture drawings are one place where an overhand grip actually does help tremendously because it forces to use your whole arm.

>> No.4693057

>>4693024
How do you know when you're ready to do it?

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>>4692789
That's such an interesting exercise! Check Patri Balanovsky "Single Shape" exercise too

>> No.4693086

>>4692854
>I feel like I’ve regressed by months after 2 days of slacking
It might be you're just not warmed up or your "tempo"* is incorrect. Also you might have improved your ability to see how shit you normally draw, which is good

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVY5gla0FNQ

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Anyone hide the fact that they draw from family?
Corona has me back at my parents and my dad noticed my tablet, which I bullshited as being for 3D modeling/art.
Apparently he was "worried" about me after he turned the tablet on and saw some anatomy studies

Now I'm copying that Bucci 3D tutorial as a scapegoat. I don't fucking do 3D but now I have to pretend.
>>4693077
Anon, that's a video game
>>4692982
drawing through and over helped me a lot
Also Huston, if you're at that level you might not process 100% of Vilppu but the former simplifies stuff well

>> No.4693096

>>4693057
When you try it and are not shit at it?

>> No.4693097

>>4692702
I mean it’s not impossible to make one...

>> No.4693142

is using pose reference cheating?

>> No.4693245

>>4692676
I love discouraging artists and telling them to give up. The more artists that give up, the less competition there is. The art community is saturated enough as is. We don't need any more scrubs in this field.

I'll be more than happy to tell an artist whose down on their luck and sad that nobody wants/needs their art because no one does. The world will live on without your shitty scribbles and trash fanart of some twitter trend.

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>>4693142
Since you didn't post this in the stupid questions thread, I'm going to take the opportunity to call you a complete retard.

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>>4692676
I hatehatehate that the art community is so over-saturated.
Imagine what it was like if there was 75% less artists. If people still enjoyed the finished product just as much, but generally had no desire to do the work themselves. Like it is with coding, or construction.
I love creating art with all my soul, but I'm a weak, depressed, introverted coward.
I wish the industry was the opposite what it is now: An anti-thesis of modern gig economy, instead of it's worst example. With minimum networking and self-branding required. Easy to get a 9 to 5 if you have a decent portfolio.
Instead, I'm here, selling coom pics for peanuts because I'm not Rembrandt reborn. Scratch that, even Rembrant would probably have to kiss ass and draw furry feet to make ends meet.
It seems like a lot of artists are like me. Socially awkward, autistic weirdos. Creating art is a solitary task. Having an industry like this is cruel.
I'm ngmi.

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>>4693345
>NOOO I JUST WANT TO DO THE BARE MINIMUM
Maybe it would be better for you to get an actual job, like the office drone kind of work, but people like you won't fly in any kind of industry, not just art. And if you hadn't known by now, even if you switch to coding you will still be competing with 20,000 pajeet coders, and your employer will pick them over you 8 times out of 10 just because they are cheaper.
t. got replaced by jamal

But me, I am going to make it :)

>> No.4693396

>>4693388
>NOOO I JUST WANT TO DO THE BARE MINIMUM
I want to do the bare minimum of shit that isn't related to creating and improving my art, so I can focus on what I care about.
Congrats on being good at ass-licking.

>> No.4693407

>>4693345
If it’s any consolation, Sargent, who got very very rich from painting, said "portrait painting would be enjoyable were it not for the patrons."

>> No.4693445

The DAD community is such a fucking piece of trash. I'm honestly very disappointed.
I decided to join because I hadn't been drawing in some time. I posted heavily censored loli a bunch of times (explicit loli is not allowed on the site). I'm minding my own business and then suddenly the mods accuse me of shitposting and making trouble. I was confused but I could see where they were coming from. Some underage dbztard spammed the site a bunch of times with loli porn. I didn't retort, antagonize the mod or anything. I just decided to leave because they were obviously uncomfortable with me and I didn't want to deal with them either. So much for an understanding community that helps everyone grow stronger together.
I know the threads are trash and you shouldn't take them seriously but this took it to the next level. I'm suddenly worse than hitler and the reason the threads are shit.
The thread became pretty shitty after the mod denounced me. I posted a couple of times to state my thoughts but the idiots decided to shitfling by themselves. They're so obsessed with the local loliposter boogeyman they even use it as an excuse for shitposting. It's hard to tell say anything in there because there are a bunch of fuckwits that are obsessed with pretending to be someone else. There was also some psycho that took some screenshots of me just in case.
Honestly, this made me respect the admin a bit more. He was dealing with those idiots all alone before he got a moderation team to help him, and he even was much more lenient with them than the current mods.
You know what's funny. They all shittalk the admind and then blame the "loliposters" for it. Bunch of hypocritical idiots. I wonder what will they do when their scapegoat is gone.
I used to think it was the only good thing in /ic/. No, it was a mistake to think anything good could come from this board. I'm done with /ic/

>> No.4693486

>>4692676
WHY THE FUCK CANT I IMPROVE IT LOOK THE SAME FROM WHEN I WAS DRAWING AT 5

>> No.4693500

>>4692900
Imagine doing this for the course of your life.
This is your heritage.

>> No.4693506

>>4692982
I think you should keep doing gesture for like 5-10minutes daily but also push the figure so you learn about form, anatomy, and proportions, that will translate to your faster gesture sketches.

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>>4692903
Thanks friend, you're right, I shouldn't be obsessing over numbers, but on improving. Maybe someday I'll be comfortable enough with my work and I'll eventually become more consistent too.

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>>4693445
Pedos BTFO once again

>> No.4693544

I haven't drawn for a while. I got a shitty job and it takes all my energy, I can't even draw when I have days off. I'm seriously considering of quitting the job so I can focus completely on drawing. With having a job I only get limited free time and I can't get anything done because I think too much of the time I have.

>> No.4693559

>>4693345
Everything has gone to shit because everyone is too focused on themselves or on making it instead of enjoying whatever they're doing.
Unironically just draw... for yourself.
Not everyone is supposed to make it anyway.

>> No.4693663

>>4693092
>he was "worried" about me
Post anatomy studies.

>> No.4693704

>>4693092
lol my dad gave me some of his old reference pics of nude people a while ago.

>> No.4693765

>>4693092
Why is your dad ok with you making 3D but not 2D anon?

>> No.4693834

>>4693445
this could've been aaaaaaaaaaaall avoided if you could've just behaved normally like the rest of the lolishotadads and disassociated yourself from the pissposter a year ago

>> No.4693884

>>4693834
Fuck off

>> No.4693897

>>4693884
Them's the breaks, dude. See ya.

>> No.4693910

>>4693035
I've beaten my meat until it became tender to those sets

>> No.4693912

>>4693765
Probably because he saw on the TEE VEE that the video games industry is big and 3D artists are needed.

Why would a boomer doubt the TEE VEE?

>> No.4693917

>>4693445
>Bunch of hypocritical idiots
You give them too much credit. They are outright malicious and twisted. I don't post loli there at all because I know that they love hunting the imaginary boogeyman so much. nobody protects loliposters, while shotaposters are under the umbrella of the big gay and you don't want to disturb that hive.

>> No.4693921

>>4693097
She'd still leave you for a night with Chad

>> No.4693923

>>4693834
And what do you think I was trying to do? There was this one time I talked with him in a dying thread but that was long ago. Do you think I can stop him from going pig pig? Or that I can stop others from spreading false stuff about me? I went out of my way to avoid replying to him whenever possible. I wasn't even the one replying to his good mornings these past months. It was one of your fellow daddies.
But you won't believe anything I say. All of it was pointless. All I did was hurt someone I considered a friend for nothing.

Actually, I'd rather be associated with him than be associated with you, bunch of clowns.
It's not like anyone gives a shit about it aside from you little community.

>inb4 why is he still here
fuck your cock dude. I hope I never meet any one of you ever again.

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pic related

I've been drawing for four years now and my line control feels like it hasn't improved at all, im always getting shit on about it

also my anatomy is bad, I practice till I feel I've gotten the hand of it then week goes by and it feels like I forget 90% of what I learned. Ive cmpletely forgotten how to draw a skull, I dont even know how I drew study pic related from two weeks ago

>> No.4693930

>>4693923
Whatever the voices in your head tell you

>> No.4693932

>>4693923
Ok schizo

>> No.4693934

>>4693929
three weeks ago, herp

>> No.4693943

>>4693445
everyone is welcome except for sick pedophiles like you lol get btfo

>> No.4693944

>>4693923
Eh it's a shame you got caught in the crossfire. Your erp sex buddy is an insufferable twat way before you came in the picture so it's inevitable you get a portion of the hate.

>> No.4693989

>>4693910
Well good. Sounds like this is really about masturbation and the art aspect is an excuse. Probably time to delete it all and stop collecting porn. The print it off and put in a binder shit is some weird ocd hoarder thing, and it sounds like your sexual self is regressing to adolescence.

>> No.4694015

>>4693910
>>4693989
Oh, and also, printing stuff off will make you access it less. Once, I curated hundreds of my favourite classical, modern, and illustrative artworks at highresolution and printed them off and put them in a binder, with the idea that I wanted tactile copies of the work both to hunt through for inspiration, and to do copies from.

I never look through the binder, I just go through the folders on my computer. However, I did prints some big posters and put em on the wall and I don't regret that too much.

>> No.4694016

>decide to share some sketches on insta between illustrations
>post gets promoted even though it has shitty engagement
>probably temporarily de-ranked by the algorithm now and will have to puke out four or five more decent illustrations before it gives me another chance at a high-visibility post
why not promote any of my other content that has decent numbers instead? wtf.

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>You can't buy skill with money

>> No.4694021

>>4694016
Wow, so you just try to promote every post and it still never works? How the fuck?

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>>4694020
>You can't get money with your skills

>> No.4694025

Instagram hates my guts, how do you know you're shadowbanned cause I think I am

>> No.4694029

>>4694021
I'm not talking about buying promotions or anything.
If you look at the insights for your posts, you'll notice that sometimes insta will prioritize one of your posts funnel people your way - I've checked with some of my friends who follow my account, and they have confirmed that those posts that have way higher reach than normal (3-4 times as much) show up at the top of their timeline and get preferential treatment in hashtags (i.e. they show up closer to the top than they otherwise would).

>> No.4694069

>some kid posts literal scribbles
>naively asking for followers and likes
>follow and like for the lulz
>he starts messaging me
>asks me which works of his I like
>scroll through is profile and find an artwork with a bunch of likes
>mention it
>he says his girlfriend drew it

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>Still clinically unable to improve despite practicing every day

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>>4694023
>skill money your can't with You get

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>client loved my first ever commission

>> No.4694223

>>4692676
I don't even draw. I just come here to start shit with crabs and get them riled up. It's the funniest shit ever to do after work.

LOL. It's free entertainment watching artists get in their feelings and booty blasted.

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>>4694223
>Will never have the satisfaction of improving and making beautiful art

>> No.4694235

>>4694223
I used to look up videos of hot yoga instructors to jack off to. Then one day I decide to actually try yoga and it was great, I do it 5 days a week.

>> No.4694238

>>4694223
um hello, based department?

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>glance at art from not even a month ago
>looks like shit and piss I can't believe I ever thought this was good holy fuck
I know that looking back at your old art and cringing is a sign of improvement, but after so much drawing and cringing I feel like everything that comes out of my pen is destined to be garbage. It's like the crushing realization of never going to make it hit me like a ton of bricks. I just want to quit art. Or rather I want to quit being shit at art, being frustrated at art, grinding the same shit, same books, throwing the same shit at the wall every day and still pumping out shit every time, wringing my hands and crying out like someone wronged me when it was just me who did this to myself by picking up a pencil and this piece of shit hobby. And yet I keep picking it back up because I don't know what to do without it.

>> No.4694366

I HATE ALL OF YOU

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Where did my love of drawing go? I used to love just putting pen to paper and making bad works and being happy, is never just draw anymore. I haven't made a fucking drawing in months!

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>>4694379
your pride has become your chain. all you have left now are the dreams of a future that will never come to pass.

BAD END

>> No.4694404

>>4693921
not if you cut off her legs

>> No.4694511

>>4693092
>Apparently he was "worried" about me after he turned the tablet on and saw some anatomy studies
Was the "anatomy studies" gay porn?

>> No.4694514 [DELETED] 

>>4694228
Neither will I and I actually waste time drawing while this guys is just having fun

>> No.4694527

>>4694228
>satisfaction of improving and making beautiful art
I never experienced it either after 7 months of learning to draw, may be I should just say fuck it and do what this guy does

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>>4694527
>7 months

>> No.4694536

>>4693912
they are more needed than concept artists though.

>> No.4694546

>>4694527
If you're doing anything for 7 months and not improving or feeling any satisfaction--
1. You're doing it wrong
2. Figure out how/why you're doing it wrong, adjust that, try again.
3. If you still fail to improve or find any satisfaction, move on.

>> No.4694566

>can't come up with anything to draw anymore
WTF?! Where did my creativity go?

>> No.4694568

>>4694546
>just stop being bad and become good
Yeah no shit

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NO I DON'T WANT TO LEARN HOW TO DRAW MEN I HATE IT I JUST WANT TO DRAW PRETTY GIRLS

>> No.4694596

>>4694527
Beginners improve the quickest man. Re-evaluate what you're doing.

>> No.4694612

>>4694596
I don't know what the fuck I should do anymore, I already tried almost everything that ic told me to and not even once could say "yeah, I definitely see an improvement".

>> No.4694632

>>4694612
When I was a beginner I just got on a figure drawing site and did figure drawing for 6-8 hours a day. I put on youtube videos on the side and treated it like a video game.

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>>4692676
I'M SCARED OF MAKING MARKS ON THE PAPER
I WAS REALLY GOOD FOR MY AGE BUT I STOPPED AND NOW I'M SCARED TO MAKE MARKS ON THE PAPER
I'M... OVERTHINKING... I THINK I'M GONNA... OH.. REGRET
WHAT IF IT LOOKS UGLY?
BUT IT CAN'T!
MY MIND WILL MAKE ME ERASE IF IT LOOKS TOO IRREDEEMABLE!
BUT WHAT IF I CAN'T DRAW ANYMORE..
ALL THAT LOST POTENTIAL.

JUST DO SOMETHING GOD DAMN IT
YOU'RE SHIT WILL LOOK HOW YOU WISH IT TO. NONE OF THE SHIT YOU DREW EVER LOOKED OBJECTIVELY SHIT, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DRAW

>> No.4694652

>>4694636
Cringe

>> No.4694653

>>4693024
What do I do then?

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>>4694632
>When I was a beginner
How long have you been drawing now? pyw?

>> No.4694693

>>4694666
Okay, I'm still a beginner. I was just giving a suggestion

>> No.4694704

>>4694069
Fucking kek

>> No.4694710

>>4692781
do something "controversial", like a webcomic or something

>> No.4694754
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4694754

>all those "funny" "when you half way through line art and realize you're on the sketch layer" pictures on social media with 50k likes
Do these retards draw with 100% sketch layer opacity?

>> No.4694766

>>4694754
Those are the same retards that whine that hiding the sketch layer makes lineart look terrible.

>> No.4694826
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4694826

>Copy a lot of Burne Hogarth
>Can only draw like Burne Hogarth now

>> No.4694873
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4694873

>Relevant person asks me to post work
>Spend hours in front of an email trying to formulate a reply
>Eventually fucking bail like a pussy, again
>Why the fuck do I get paralysis when I have to do something that matters?
>Oh right, it's because I'm a dysfunctional depressed fuck, I hate myself and I want to die and I have lost every ounce of self-esteem and I've been stewing in complete isolation for an amount of time that no other human being would survive and I couldn't get any help that worked whatsoever, who am I kidding I don't even commit to any real work anymore, I just cling to this idea that it is still possible for me to do something with my life because the next alternative on the list is killing myself and I sort of don't wanna die.
>Drink
>Go to sleep
>Forget about it next morning until next reality check
I'm a fucking wheel that's falling off its axis, it's only a matter of time
God fucking damnit, why does it have to be like this

>> No.4694884

And I'm finally caving in to the nagging thoughts. I think this is the year I'll do it. I don't think I have any reasons, just excuses, there's nothing recoverable. I've been living my life as if I were going to do it any day. I have to face the fact that I'm at the end of the walk. I can't keep going like this just because I've got an anchor. It's not enough.

>> No.4694913

>>4693092
My parent were concerned until I showed them my paypal balance

>> No.4694938

>>4694873
post work

>> No.4694943

>>4692676
I have been scrolling past this Image all day just barely glancing it at and wondering to myself "what kind of nu-art bullshit is this? why is this idiot painting with her mouth?" 5 hours later i notice she has no arms.

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4694951

>>4694884

Assisted suicide
She dreams about dying all the time
She told me she came so close
Filled up the bathtub and put on our first record
Saying God, make me famous
If you can't just make it painless
Just make it painless

It goes on and on, I don't know what I want
On and on, I don't know if I want it
On and on, I don't know what I want
On and on, I don't know if I want it
(On and on I don't know what I want)
(On and on I don't know if I want it)
(On and on I don't know what I want)
(On and on I don't know if I want it)

>> No.4694954
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4694954

>>4694884
Don't do it anon. You won't be able to watch anime or eat good food anymore.

>> No.4695105

>>4693024
Yeah I had no idea what the fuck feel the form meant until 6 months later I watched vilppu again and somehow I got it and can see forms on a blank page now it's fucking weird

>> No.4695111

>>4694632
What site? I can barely find one day's worth of clear references.

>> No.4695140

>>4695111
quickposes.com
line-of-action.com
yeah, the pictures repeat themselves a lot lol. Don't do figure drawing all day if you don't have to

>> No.4695195

>>4694884
Yea yea cya tomorrow with another anime thread

>> No.4695352

>>4694884
don't do it anon

>> No.4695430

>>4695195
>new /asg/ thread is up
crisis averted

>> No.4695442

>>4695352
Ok I changed my mind, thx

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4695447

>>4694884
Anon, it's hard because it's always worth it. There is nothing to escape. You can make it!

>> No.4695461

i come here just to terrorize one individual and i feel bad about it sometimes

>> No.4695649

>>4695447
>>4695195
>>4694954
>anime
you really want to push me over the edge, don't you

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4695851

>>4695649
Just end it already you attention seeking tranny, this is a thread for art related venting this is not your blog

>> No.4695871

>>4695461
>one individual
Well, who is it, anon? The frogposter? The Alke lolishit? The SJW with the edgy anime pics? I want to know.

>> No.4695883

>>4695871
You

>> No.4695890

>0 followers
>found my art on some guys page with 20k followers

god I hate this shit earth

>> No.4695976

>>4695851
says the faggot who posts a little girl as his avatar
you have even less test than a tranny, imbecile

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4696005

>>4693663
>>4694511
Just copying Bridgman and some side sketching, it's not very good but I'm planning on finishing the whole book hopefully this summer.
>>4694913
Good one you anon, I got nothing to show for it though
>>4693765
>>4694536
I suppose 3D modeling is seen as more industrious/skilled/has more job prospects as opposed to the "feelsy" 2D art

>> No.4696052

>>4695649
anime is the future, boy

>> No.4696078

>>4695976
>WAAAAAAH WAAAAAH I'M SUICIDAL SO NO MEAN WORDS ALLOWED

Sorry nobody loves you

>> No.4696101

I'm too stupid to work digitally.The process makes no sense to me

>> No.4696104

>>4696101
>Ctrl+ Paint: Digital Sketching Starter Kit
http://online-courses.club/digital-sketching-starter-kit/

>> No.4696205

>>4696078
I'm not suicidal because nobody loves me, I am suicidal because I cannot function in this clown planet.

>> No.4696292

>>4696205
why don't you start with being understanding and tolerant of other people and their interests? Maybe then you wouldn't see this world as a clown planet?

>> No.4696299

>>4696205
Clown planet is not a reason to kys. Find a better one at least lmao. Honk honk!

>> No.4696303

I fucking accidentally liked my brothers tweet as my iPad locked up for some unknown reason. The last thing I want is exposing him to pedophile anime shit. Fucking hell.

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>>4696005
Damn. I thought for sure it would be some trashy fetish porn. Your family must be prudish those look like decent studies.

>> No.4696331

>>4694364
>glance at art from not even a month ago
The scariest part is when you look back a few months and still think it looks good. That's when you know you still suck and have stalled.

>> No.4696374

>>4696303

Wait I’m freaking out over nothing, I’ll just wait until he posts a new tweet and like his new post with a dummy account to throw his notifications off radar.

>> No.4696394

>>4696303
>>4696374
Nuke the account if you're exposed my fellow lolicon.
>>4694873
Here's a message you can send.
"Hi x,

You can find my work at this link below:
[link]

Best,
anon"
>>4694943
I bet she gives the worst handjobs.
>>4694223
Based crab annihilator.
>>4694201
Good shit you gmi.
>>4693943
>>4693536
Seething trannies return from where you came.

>> No.4696429

>>4693445
You might be fed up with /dad/ but there is no reason to give up on /ic/. Just filter the shitty /dad/ threads and don't look back.

/ic/ can be a great place to talk to d/ic/ks on your downtime.

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4696468

>flipping canvas upside down to notice errors works better than mirroring

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4696481

I used to be such a crab on tumblr (ran two bad art blogs), and now I feel like shit because I got sucked into a stagnation vortex where I didn't grow vertically (as in technical competence) much but instead horizontally (as in picking up art history and like, the basics of several media). I just want out of this guilt hell so I can grow vertically again, I wish I knew how to atone, I wish I didn't have this sense of terror every time I set pencil to paper (or pen to tablet) because I am my biggest critic and biggest crab...

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>>4696481
Welcome home, son. It's time to practice drawing.

>> No.4696486

>>4694366
Well too bad because I love you

>>4696394
>Good shit you gmi
Thanks senpai. I hope you make it too if you haven't already

>> No.4696515

>>4692676
I've no frustrations
I don't know much, I'M still a beg
but in recent months I realized a lot of things
the most important is how to learn
you need to have an understanding of how learning is happening, and you need to understand that you ,with high chance, can probably learn and improve
The problem is that yall base your learning on unstable things ,emotions ,or memes like motivation or discipline , have attachements to success that ultimately sets you up to hating yourself.
At your present state that is neet(being a neet is ok) with depression or worse mental illnesses issues. You probably complicate all things to no end and end up not doing anything because of the mental weight you've put up on yourself.
But the truth is simple
Everything is possible in this world, everyhing nasty ,and good , the latter being that you can learn the skills you want to learn and improve.
And it doesn't matter how long it takes or how old are you ,or how unsuccessfull. You need to stop thinking and just look at art as it is: just painting , drawing, and honing your skills. Just stop thinking and ask if you want to do it actually? Then you will feel that you want to do it, that's all you need to be certain.
The thing is that you need to heal yourself , got to restore your mind if you want to get good at anything...but lets not go that far.
You need to understand how to learn. You need to structurize things in your mind. Everything.
Why is that you feel anxiety upon drawing , learning , whatever stops you, you got to find the why's. Then start working from there.
On the side ,I suggest you start learning a skill that's not that hard to get good at , manual if possible. It can be whatever you want, fps ,rally games, working out , whatever . Through that you can get a grip on what is it like to learn and progress. And if you like to think so much, think of how you can improve, gather your mistakes ,shortcomings, and look for ways to overcome them, practices, whatever

>> No.4696526

>>4694754
Some months ago my idiocy knew absolutely no bounds, I was drawing on a sketch layer without knowing (low opacity and all that) but I didn't notice. I was also messing with brush settings a lot. So while drawing I was angry the colors were coming out washed out, thought my tablet or pen was broken and pressed down as hard as I could.

My poor nib was murdered that day.

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>>4696515
>>4696515
p2/
strategise learning . Be active in the mind, observe the mechanisms, how you do things ,how you could improve things ....
With time you will acquire an understanding about learning ,and maybe life, that it's not impossible for you to get good at something, anything...while you may need certain genetic advantages for some fields, don't let that discourage you, be the best you can.. Do what you actually want, don't go for high goals, don't try to become someone you are not overnight.
let go of all things that pains you, even if you have to go for absurd lengths

I've been trying to improve my life for almost a decade now , and only now I'm at the point where my insecurities are minimal ,and sometimes I go months without having depression, and I'm kinda fine ,even tho I'm twenty something virgin neet...

Good luck for yall who can relate to this wall of text, your path is full of thorns but its not impossible, remember
and for the rest of you , have a nice day

>> No.4696531

>>4696529
and sorry for the reddit like spacing

>> No.4696943

>>4694652
more like based

>> No.4696953

I've been drawing for like 12 years but have never done studies or shit like that, starting with vilppu hope I can actually improve after being stagnant for years

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>>4696953
Ganbatte, anon!

>> No.4697162

>tfw shading isnt clicking
>tfw construction isnt clicking
>tfw drapery isnt clicking
>tfw nothings clicking

>> No.4697237

>>4692676
i can either spend all night drawing or studying for algebra

>> No.4697253

>>4692676
>Drawing circles and even by "Ghosting I can't keep them straight while drawing with my shoulder.
>Been like this for the longest and I feel like I should be past this point already.
>Cant get a circle down without going over it a bunch of times and it looks super thick and still not even.

I feel like I can't move on unless the circle is perfect and even for drawing heads. It makes me feel hopeless as fuck.

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4697271

>>4696205
I've grown tired of this body... A cumbersome and heavy body...
I've grown tired of this body, fall apart without me body...

O-o-o-o

Take my eyes...
Take them aside...
Take my face...
And desicrate...
Until late...
Get in the way...
Body's ache...

Oooooooooooooooo

I've grown tired of this body... Cumbersome and heavy body...
I've grown tired of this body... Fall apart without me body...
I've grown tired of this body...

>> No.4697308

>depressed, so I struggle with drawing and can't improve
>can't take comms due to skill level, no money
>having no money makes me depressed
I'm stuck. Kinda hope I die this time around.

>> No.4697369

>>4694951
That record sucked ass so bad

>> No.4697374

>>4697308
>WAAAAAAH, A BLOO BLOO

Just draw! That's how you'll improve and make money

>> No.4697391

>>4697374
I can't "Just draw".

>> No.4697551

>>4693345
If it makes you feel any better, pretty much every field is like this. Coding is just one example. It's because of globalization. First worlders are now in competition with billions of third worlders for their jobs, and so you have this slow degeneration where no companies offer pensions anymore, everybody is being herded into being an independent contractor

>> No.4697561

how do I draw a profile shot closed mouth without feeling like my character looks like a tard

>> No.4697562

>>4696481
>ran two bad art blogs
I really hate the people that run cringe blogs or related types of content. By extension, this applies to bad art blogs. A lot of "cringe" content is making fun of children or people with obvious mental problems. And making fun of bad artists, it's unfair in a lot of cases because usually these are beginners who don't know any better. Making fun of a professional artist who should know better is one thing, but ridiculing a beginner is fucked up. It's like making fun of the fat guy at the gym who's sweating all over himself. Only a fucking psychopath devoid of empathy would do that.

Which a lot of cringe content appeals to, people with low levels of empathy and obvious sociopathy. It's basically just condoned/sanctioned group bullying/harassment that's allowed for some reason

>> No.4697573

>>4697237
>studying for algebra
Show me some problems you struggle with and I'll help you

>> No.4697610
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4697610

i feel a strong urge to use my art to speak out against intersectionality, but I'm worried it might bite me in the ass

>> No.4697619

>>4697610
Don't get political in your art. Either left or right. It's not worth it.

>> No.4697627

>>4693544
Hear, hear. Wish I could afford quitting my job.

>> No.4697639

>>4694884
Anon I wish there was a way for me to really help you but I can only hope that you don't do it. ;~; pls if you have family or friends, reach out to them

>> No.4697640

>>4697619
But look at this fucking shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0W9QbkX8Cs
And this ideology is spreading FAST. I need to do something

>> No.4697641

>>4697610
Well, do it and then post in anonymously, or don't post it at all.

>> No.4697652

>>4697640
what's wrong with what's in the video? what would you make your art specifically about?

>> No.4697656

>>4692676
Do any of you have bad drawing days, where everything you draw looks like shit. If so what do you do?

>> No.4697713
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>>4697641
I'm just worried people might recognize stylistic particulars.

>>4697652
Did you even watch the video? Here is the continuation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vyBLCqyUes
These people espouse the idea that objectivity and logic is subordinate to "perspectives". That merit is subordinate to "equity". The idea that knowledge can not under any circumstance be politically neutral. Any knowledge established by white males is INHERENTLY oppressive. Defending yourself from accusations of racism as a white person is in itself evidence of racism. And so on and so on. Everything is seen in terms of power structures. Everything to ever come out of western civilization is by necessity part of a larger, white, male power structure. Anything suggesting otherwise is simply the white, male power structure (and privilege) trying to assert itself. It's not some fringe crackpot lunacy, it entirely took over this college, and it's heading down this path pretty much everywhere right now.
These ideas made this college descend into full fucking chaos, despite no evidence of any racism happening ever surfacing. And yet it's being ever so subtly implemented everywhere in western society. It's not some conspiracy theory, intersectionality is literally being established as a valid legal term in legislatures and institutions all over the western world right now. Look for it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvyqUOKhGA

I would probably make it as a comic, where we'd follow through with the consequences of the intersectional doctrine faithfully. I figure it would be enough for normal people to recognize the sheer lunacy of it. Because this is what it fucking is. It's a cult. Literal Orwellian shit.

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4697869

I made hella gains last year from doing studies almost every day. felt like I was really getting somewhere and I was having a blast. skip to now, haven't been able to draw hardly anything for months because of work fatigue and now just plain fatigue and when I do draw something it sucks ass 'cause I've practically forgotten everything & I've lost most of the muscle memory. Everything hurts

>> No.4698080

>>4697713
Are you zizek

>> No.4698141

>>4698080
As based as Zizek can be, he still espouses the very same idea of ideological universality that has turned out to be absolute cancer.

>> No.4698247

>>4698141
what do you mean by ideological universality?

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>>4698247
That we can never see just an apple. We will always see our ideological conception of an apple. Sensory input is always subordinate to our inner, ideological conception of the world.
Likewise, the intersectionalist SJW can never see just a person, individuality is always subordinate to race, sex, "gender", what have you. In fact, SJWs have an are acutely racist and sexist view of the world which they always are trying to compensate for. When they see a normal healthy individual not doing the compensatory rituals, they view it as bigotry. Because they assume everyone else are as obsessive about these things as they are.

>> No.4698285

not any noticeable progress in 10 years

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>>4697562
At the time I was a teenager, and with hindsight it's incredibly obvious I had severe emotional issues, and like I was the kind of kid that got bullied a lot in high school (and muh parental neglect). Sort of like a chain of hurt deal, and ironically I even got featured on a bigger bad art blog lol. If I had anything to tell my 16-year old self, I'd tell them to stay the fuck away from that shit, and like privately work on gitting gud at guro or something, instead of wasting my time being such a fucking crab to others. At least I have the self-awareness now to feel crushing guilt over being a shitty teen.

Anyways, I'm going to go draw now, thanks for reading my blog.

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4698473

be me
fall in love with art again
start drawing everyday
tired after work but must persist.
want to play guitar sometimes or study japanese or read books, but i cant afford the time on other hobbies.

use lunch hour to draw and eat the same boring condimentless sandwich everyday to save time.
get in 2 hours a night as well.
this is so frustrating.
i just want a wank.
i just want to play vidya. no.
i
must
draw.
i can not burn out.
this is my destiny.
manage by some miracle to maintain this schedule for a year.

god i don't notice much of a difference in my skill level but surely i must have put a big dent into those 10,000 hours.

lets do the math:
best case scenario 3 hours a day (which did not really happen every single day) X 365 days = 1095 hours.

operating at full capacity, 100% maximum effort which is obviously not sustainable, i can "git gud" or at least test the 10K hours theory by doing this for fucking 8 more years.

>> No.4698479

>>4698443
The fact you're capable of self-reflection and remorse is a sign that you're not devoid of humanity. You were given a platform to make fun of those people and you were one blog in a choir of blogs that did the same. Really I can't fault you, there is a systemic, underlying culture that encourages broken people to antagonize and hurt others , instead of healing themsleves.

>> No.4698499

>keep getting followed by trannies
where the fuck did i go wrong lads

>> No.4698503
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>>4698479
It's certainly interesting how you deem those not falling within your idea of acceptable behavior to be "devoid of humanity". Sanctimonious prick.

>> No.4698509

>>4698499
Are you drawing things that are attracting trannies?

>> No.4698513

>>4698503
People who mock, ridicule, and tear down people not hurting anyone are by definition excluding themselves from the rest of humanity. Human beings seek to cooperate, help, and elevate one another. Or at the very least, they have no interest in tearing down others for the sake of tearing them down. This is part of the social contract that necessitates being human. If you have absolute hatred for that social contract and decorum, and antipathy for humans, what else should I call this? Except to say that you have nothing which makes humans human? Such a person is a feral animal twisted in human form- a homunculus. Why would it be absurd to consider such people as being devoid of humanity?

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4698535

>>4698499

It's no big surprise you turned out this way
When they close their eyes and prayed you would change
And they cut your hair, and sent you away
You stopped by my house the night you escaped
With tears in my eyes, I begged you to stay
You said, "Hey man, I love you, but no fucking way!"

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>>4698473

I wanna contribute to the chaos
I don't wanna watch and then complain
'Cause I am through finding blame
That is the decision that I have made

She hopes I'm cursed forever to
Sleep on a twin-sized mattress
In somebody's attic or basement my whole life
Never graduating up in size to add another
And my nightmares will have nightmares every night
Oh, every night, every night

>> No.4698540

>>4698443
How old are you now?

>> No.4698544

>>4698513
>People who mock, ridicule, and tear down people not hurting anyone are by definition excluding themselves from the rest of humanity. Human beings seek to cooperate, help, and elevate one another.
Disagreement and conflict is what makes people grow, emotionally and intellectually. Sitting sheltered in a hugbox on the other hand will turn them into zealous, tyrannical crybabies.
>Or at the very least, they have no interest in tearing down others for the sake of tearing them down.
Oh and I can imagine you being able to determine people's motivations on the fly. Arrogant fuck.
>decorum
You're one gay ass faggot nigger, my dude.
>Such a person is a feral animal twisted in human form- a homunculus. Why would it be absurd to consider such people as being devoid of humanity?
Yeah your compassion for your fellow man is really shining through here. By all means, keep on saving the world from all these wicked inhuman creatures who fail to observe standards of decorum.

>> No.4698545

>>4697610
What would art like that look like?

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4698597

>>4697369

I fucking hate the comments
Why do you feel you have to talk
Nobody asked for your opinion
Your sick, sad way of jerking off
Everyone you think you're better than
What the fuck, I'm guilty too
Half the time that I'm complaining
I'm just talking shit on you
I'm sorry

>> No.4698627

If I see another fucking valorant ad one more time...

>> No.4698648

I really hate knowing that I'm years behind certain artists when I see their work and really like it

>> No.4698653

>>4698536
>I wanna contribute to the chaos
anon.. sorry to break it to you, but there is no chaos, you can't call it chaos if it's planned and monetized

>> No.4698655

>>4698540
25

>> No.4698672

>>4698648
you're only a few years behind being as great as them, keep drawing

>> No.4698918

>>4698443
Nice to see you changed. Luck in the future.

>> No.4698927

My dreams of getting an art job are over. I don't wanna do porn either.

>> No.4698950

>>4698927
>>4698648
Yeah this

>> No.4698994

There is like 20 cop cars outside my apartment and a helicopter flying over my block and it’s making me nervous that I can’t draw.

>> No.4699028

>>4698994
You're just looking to make excuses

>> No.4699030

>>4699028
....b b but.......,but...you’re....right

I’ll draw now

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4699085

>fucking furries are roleplaying under my 6 month old twitter post

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>discord centered around drawing
>I don't fuck with you atmosphere
>most people dont discuss art
>shun new people who are actively trying to improve as annoying or outright ignore them in all channels

welp, nomad it is.

>> No.4699140

>>4699085
pokes you*
OwO h-hi!

>> No.4699151

I feel like I want to quit commissions just because of certaim characters I'm asked to draw. I'm at a low skill level where i cqn m

>> No.4699173

>>4698994
They're just waiting for someone to post cunny for you to load on your pc

>> No.4699179

>>4699173
There is still 1 or 2 cop cars still parked outside. It must have been serious.

>> No.4699182

>>4692702
AAAAAHHHHH GODDAMMIT I AM SO LONELY AND HORNY

>> No.4699209

>>4692676
There are many things I wish to do. Many things I wish to make.
There is not enough time to do it, it feels.

>> No.4699313

>>4694636
It will look like shit. It will. Take a deep breath, deal with the fact that it will look like shit and you're gonna have to get back into it. Now draw.

>> No.4699323

>>4697713
>I'm just worried people might recognize stylistic particulars.
Deny it, they have no proof.

>> No.4699325

I couldn't design characters if my fucking life depended on it.

>> No.4699725

>>4692676
I'm finally getting the chance to go to art school and get formal training. It's something that I thought was impossible for me.
Yet for some reason, I feel terrible. Overwhelmed, depressed and more than a little hopeless.
Could be the recent death in the family. Could be the isolation of quarantine. Could be the feeling that now, more than ever, I need to prove myself and make it clear that all this time spent on art is not just a waste of time or the delusions of a madman.
Either way, I don't feel right. Like I'm just sinking lower and lower and don't know what to do.
This should be a good time and I feel so low, which is critically impacting my ability to do art.
I need to get right before school starts.

>> No.4699818

>want to use chalk pastels
>can't stand the way they feel, just touching one makes my skin crawl
Anyone else in the same boat?

>> No.4700066

>tfw look at other artists art and don't get mad because you're beg.
>get inspired and happy instead
>i can't wait to create art like that once i improve further.

I will make it and no one will stop me

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4700084

I deleted my twitter today. Apologies for those of you I followed.

There's just way too much shit going on. Not just on twitter. The entire internet. All of it.
I used to be able to sit down for 2 hours and just draw without getting distracted.
Now I constantly have this unrest in my head. I can't fucking concentrate.
The years of scrolling through picture-oriented-websites left their marks.
I fried my brain by abusing the novelty-seeking reward center in my head.

We are biologically cavemen. We were never supposed to deal with all this shit.
What did those fuckers do all day? Run around and collect berries or some shit. Hardly my everday routine.

So now I'm looking to recover from this. I wanna get back into the mode where I use the internet exclusively as a tool.
Not as entertainment.
There's just too much time wasted on empty, unproductive shit that you won't even remember.
I'm planning to withdraw from 4chan too some time.
I have to go outside more. Look at some trees and feel the wind on my skin.
Because what I'm doing now can barely be called living.

>> No.4700102

>>4700084
I am starting to feel sick from the internet as well. I just want to exist like a normal fucking human, but I am literally addicted to the likes I get on my art and have had actual panic attacks (yes I'm a pussy) over people not liking art I've tried my hardest on. I often lose sleep because I need to compulsively check for followers and shit. And pulling away feels like I'd be becoming irrelevant or losing out on the opportunity to "make" it. It's like being an instawhore. I don't think humans are supposed to exist like this.

>> No.4700109

>>4700084
Am I supposed to know who are you to care enough

>> No.4700137

>>4699323
They need no proof

>> No.4700138

I am unable to connect to others with my art. Posting on social media feels like I am throwing my stuff into a void which never replys with any kind of feedback. I dont understand how to use social media.

>> No.4700161

>>4700138
In what way do you mean by connect? There are many levels to this.

>> No.4700162

>>4700161
syn
syn/ack
ack

>> No.4700166

>>4700162
filthy tcp pleb

>> No.4700175

>>4694754
I had this problem but only with Sai because for some godforsaken reason it would sometimes randomly merge my lineart layer with the sketch layer below it.

>> No.4700181

>>4692717
take the vilppupill
https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg!EUJHgKAZ

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4700237

>constantly jealous of artists with more followers AND artists with less followers for arbitrary reasons
>constantly comparing my follower count and likes on my art to other artists
>Know it’s wrong but it’s practically become a stressful habit at this point
How do I get over this

>> No.4700269
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4700269

I just want to get good so I can draw my husbando and do him justice FUCK

>> No.4700284

>more experienced artist gives vague criticism instead of actually pointing out things
Die

>> No.4700388

>>4693929
>I've been drawing for four years now and my line control feels like it hasn't improved at all
How much time did you spend conscientiously improving your line quality?

>> No.4700393

>>4700161
Just people looking at it would be already nice enough. In general I wish for other artist of similar skill level or similar interests or subjects to be also interested in my work but I dont think it is happening soon. I guess it all goes back to the initial problem that I feel like I am just throwing my work into a void.

>> No.4700415

>>4700237
stop being a faggot or get off of social media since your brain clearly cant handle it

i recommend doing both

>> No.4700448

I'm creatively bankrupt and due to this my art will always be shit. I'm great technically, my creativity doesn't exist. I have aphantasia, I do not see anything in my mind. I can't even imagine what shade of green a leaf is, I don't remember what my mothers face looks like. I am literally unable to build any sort of visual library that would make me good.

>> No.4700463

>>4700448
I swear every single faggot claims they have a condition to excuse their poor learning

>> No.4700509

>>4700084
I feel the same way, though I'm not willing to be honest with myself it seems. I still try to juggle social media and art, even knowing that it's detrimental to my well-being.

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4700589

Doodle lol :p

>> No.4700592

>>4700589
To be fair, this could have taken them under an hour and maybe less effort than a completed drawing of theirs

>> No.4700611

>>4700589
this guy is a professional. if he says its a doodle its probably a doodle.

>> No.4700631

>>4697610
I don't even know what intersectionality is and chances are none of your followers will either.

>> No.4700636

>>4692676
>a gf who can never give you head pats
what a cruel fate

>> No.4700640

>>4700589
me on the right bawling my ngmi eyes out

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4700648

>>4700448
Use your muscle memory instead? Like literally just figure out the shit you want to combine, reference all that shit, and make something dude. In this digital age you can literally just stitch together a bunch of images and make something with it. Learn to work around your inherent flaws.

>> No.4700653 [DELETED] 

>>4700448
You can definitely cure aphantasia anon. Check out AphantasiaMeow on Youtube.

>> No.4700660

>>4696005
>>4694536
>>4693765
I do some 3D, and it's better paying and less stressful than doing 2D commissions.

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4700720

i just realized photoshop has a mixer brush

>> No.4700729

I'm a 22yo ngmi and draw plain /beg/ anime garbage on my cheap pen-tablet and am starting to fucking hate myself for it. Anime is so over saturated nobody gives a shit unless you some 14yo art prodigy with a $1000 ipad going "uwu" 24/7 on instagram or draw coom art.

Like I want to enjoy this shit and sometimes get a compliment or two, but I keep getting so fucking jealous over those kids that are sitting at home with no responsibilities churning out 10x better stuff than I'll ever do. Should have gone to some art school when I was a kid or something. Undergrad physics was a fucking mistake but at least I have a job and can afford to live.

>"Just draw for yourself you fucking degenerate"
easier said than done when you are surrounded by god art every time you open your social media to post something. It's just fucking discouraging. Even the occasional comment just feels like the standard fake-ish "omg so naisu wowwowowow" from children because that's the 99% of anime art community on instagram (the platform of my choice because deviantart is for fetishists)

>> No.4700742

>>4700729
Why have you surrounded yourself with all the things you hate? Why do you follow all these 'god artists' if it makes you feel like shit? You literally curate your own social media experience and you've turned yours into your own personal hell. Masochism?

>> No.4700750

>>4700729
Yeah your problem is you're a jealous little shit and you compare yourself to others, and use it as an excuse as to why you cant improve. You need a serious attitude adjustment otherwise that is never going to stop and you might as well quit now.

Learn to compare your current art to your past art and ignore others. Otherwise this is going to keep getting worse. Stop being a toxic person.

>> No.4700753

>>4700729
You probably wouldn’t have made it either when you were young. Resources on the internet was so small the only ones who were doing extremely well were Asian kids with mommies purse.

Now we have cgpeers and this place to download anything you could ever wish for.

>> No.4700756

>>4700753
Oh and not only that it took fucking forever to download shit back then. A vilppu torrent would take an entire week on my connection where now it takes less than an hour.

>> No.4700787

>>4700729
>Undergrad physics was a fucking mistake
Get a masters in engineering and stop trying to make a living drawing dumb anime shit. You said it yourself, it takes years to hone in the skills. You are like 2 years away from a MS in EE and a cushy six figure job at pretty much any engineering company.

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4700825

>>4692676
>Swat a mosquito in my room
>It falls on the desk
>I pick it up while it's still squirming, to crush it and dispose of it
>I watch it up close and a thought in my head appears
>"This creature is suffering"
>Suddenly feel empathy for the parasite
>Looking at it struggle as I observe the loving detail that nature put into its evolution
>Feel a pang of guilt for harming what in the end is yet another side of this universe's beautiful creation
>"It's not its fault if it is what it is, it doesn't deserve my hate"
>Compassion fills my heart
>It slowly gets back up
>Suddenly, it flies away
>"Ha! Look at her go!"
>Feels like for a second I achieved complete harmony with the universe
>Ahh, that felt nice
>Open /ic/
>See OP pic
>"Wow, can't you beg for attention any harder?"
Why am I like this

>> No.4700837

>>4700825
Fucking urbanites I swear to god

>> No.4700860

>>4700729
You're an insecure man-child

>> No.4700931

>>4700742
>>4700750
>>4700787
>>4700860
Thanks anons. I guess I needed to confirm that I'm braindead. I'll return to my cave and think about what the fuck am I doing.

>> No.4700958

>>4700931
Get a MSEE, get a job at a cushy engineering firm, and draw anime in your free time. its basically what im doing

>> No.4701033

God damn it I just want to move past the areas in my learning that I keep stopping at. Why the fuck do I keep stopping as soon as it gets hard then restsrting? I need to get my brain checked.

I’m going to watch the remaining spring season anime on my list and then ban myself from no anime and no games for the rest of the year until I get through some serious training. I didn’t want to have to do this as it’s sort of a drug for my mind to calm myself but I can’t keep going for another 6months and another year of my life down the drain.

>> No.4701360

>>4692676
I drew a new character for the first time and I want to draw her again in a different pose, but everytime I draw a character for a second time they look wrong. I haven’t developed that consistency yet and its discouraging.

>> No.4701385

>>4701360
>tries something once
>tries something a second time, it’s different
No shit. Unless you are copying a face for your character, it will take many reps to get consistency.

>> No.4701391

>>4701033
Why watch the remaining anime if you intend to cut it all out? What makes you think you will survive cutting everything out?
You can only prune one vice at a time. And instead of banning everything you enjoy you should just relegate it to the night time when you are most likely least productive, and focus on art during the day.

>> No.4701450

>>4692800
In college I was asked to make a collection of works for a 100 class that was going to go into a gallery space on campus (everyone had to). Decided to make a kinetoscope with an animation in it. took a full week to make. Since I needed at least two things though I made a short loop for a projector aimed at the ground, took more time to get the vid to play on the ancient projector. Wasn't even good but it got the most attention. was peeved but made me try out more projectors at different angles.

>> No.4701461

>>4693142
Japs are retarded, tracing/drawing from life/3d pose refs are perfectly viable methods of both learning to and create works. The key is to make the pose your own either with some changes or stylistic features.

>> No.4701502

>>4701391
I probably won’t survive it I just said something dumb in the moment. It would be a smart thing to use 2020 to finish any backlog as a lot of shows have been pushed back to 2021 but at the same time that’s hours lost not putting hours watching stuff and I don’t think I would be doing myself a favor.

>> No.4701747

>>4693086
I'm a big fan of Sinix in general but I didn't understand anything from this video

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>copy a reference
>looks pretty good, sweet
>draw from imagination
>it's the most awful thing I've ever drawn

>> No.4701983

>>4693142
Reference?
>no
Tracing without alteration, an image that you don't own?
>yes

>> No.4702003

>>4697610
Say that shit loud and proud. If they don't tolerate what is in your art, they were never your friends. Also, if you really hate all those Twitter check marks, seeing them seethe will only empower you further.

>> No.4702004

>>4692676
>spend a decade studying art
>love it, draw stuff and do stuff every day
>reach the level I want to be at
>don't want to make shit anymore

I'm not actually sure what to do

>> No.4702007

>>4697713
Fight the good fight. Share your art!

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I’ve been trying to draw for 4 years. I still fucking suck at gesture drawings and can barely draw legs

>> No.4702033

>>4702016
don't copy the boxy stuff without understanding why, you have to feel the volumes of stuff
if you haven't studied some perspective, do it, it will help a lot even if it looks completely unrelated to figure drawing

>> No.4702049

>>4702033
How can I steer towards the right direction?

>> No.4702052

>>4702033
Sorry if I sounded vague

How should I view the boxy things?

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I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DRAW I DON'T WANT TO GRIND DRAWABOX SHIT OR LOOMIS BLOOKS AAAAAAAAAAUUGH

>> No.4702114

>>4702052
>>4702049
This is a pet peeve of mine because I see people making 1:1 copies of Bridgman, of all things. The sketches don't have value on their own, they're there to explain - visually - how you have to think. With gesture/construction you are doing the opposite of copying flat shapes, you have to feel the roundness of the forms, that's why perspective helps so much. The sooner you reason as if you were reaching into XYZ axes while you make a pencil stroke, the easier it will be to understand figure drawing. Gesture also comes from observation as much as drawing, it's not just mechanical. You have to observe what is happening from the point of view of physics, the weight of the person, where the force is going, etc.

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>>4692676
Every time I try to start a digital painting it looks like utter shit.

I try doing the big blobs of color and erasing away the excess. It looks like shit. There's always a gap between the two bits of color and the opacity overlap fucking kills me.
I try going in and being more detailed, deliberate brushstrokes. It looks like shit. Everything has a very clear line of separation between them and when i blend them it looks even worse.
I try to do sketchy and then refine it, it remains sketchy after a few hours but just slightly different. Looks like shit
I try to blend my brushstrokes away. It doesn't work. It's the same level of detail as before except the brushstrokes just look different/probably worse. It just looks like i've rearranged the brushstrokes while not actually refining anything.
I have absolutely no idea what the fuck i'm doing every time I start painting. I sit down and manage to completely forget what i've learned from the previous day if I learned anything at all.

I can draw just fine. Visualizing objects in 3d space is a cinch for me. i have no issue and I can easily see where I need to improve and then fix that.
But this painting thing is a mess. I don't know what i'm doing wrong. Every tips video I watch gives me the exact same useless advice.
The worst part about this whole thing is that traditional painting is very easy for me. But digital eludes me. In fact I think I've gotten worse over the past few days.
I can't even focus long enough to finish the beginning stages. I just know it looks like ass and I erase everything and start over.

I watch some of these guys paint digitally and they create nice smooth brushstrokes and color gradients in ten minutes while mine still look like a four-year-old scribbled them after two hours of pulling my hair out.

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>>4692676
I don't understand how so many 14 year old girls with shitty pseudoanime art get dozens of thousands of followers in instagram.

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>>4692676

>> No.4702298

>>4702284
>14 year old Girls
that's why lmao.

>> No.4702308

>>4702144
Dude, it takes months to learn to paint with tonal shapes. Took me half a year. Start with a clean drawing and render that carefully. Do that for a year, every single day, for several hours.

>> No.4702320

>>4702144
/beg-int/

Try painting reference of basic forms and don't worry so much about texture of the object, once you feel you understand the mechanics of rendering out the volume of the from, move onto something with texture. Texture from brushwork comes from the contrast between strokes (You can't substitute a brush texture for brushwork.) So as you define the form with smaller and smaller strokes you'll get detail from the contrast, so don't be afraid to lay down dark/light values if it starts feeling flat and ugly.

Think about the direction of the lighting and planes of the subject, loosely lay some shadow/light values then refine the volumes. Like drawing, you think of the larger shapes before the smaller ones, approach digital painting the same way. Eyedropper and brush opacity for blending/gradients and a lot of fucking time depending on the complexity, make sure to follow the form with your strokes as you blend.

The amount of time it takes me to get to a "professional" level on a piece is literal weeks. Just be patient and don't get discouraged, keep pushing those values around and it will come together. You're gmi anon.

I'd recommend BoroCG's tutorials/videos, he's helped me improve 10 fold, I can't draw for shit but my skills in rendering is rapidly improving. I'd recommend starting with this to get an understanding of how to approach digital painting, the multiple layering thing never worked for me and his process has taught me a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjY88IAacYs

>> No.4702323

>>4702298
I don't see any pedofags following them.

>> No.4702331

>>4702323
I think most people feel more compassion towards girls than boys. At least that's what I've seen.

>> No.4702380

whenever I decide to really commit to a piece I just get frustrated at the ratio of time & effort to quality and stop working on it. Drawings that I do end up polishing started out as absentminded doodles with no regard to composition and whatnot. As a result everything I make is shit.

>> No.4702426

>>4702284
Girls can just get away with making cutesy low-effort art.
Pretend to be a girl. Unironically study 14 year old girl's shitty anime art and try to emulate their autistic style, maybe a tiny bit of composition. Draw generic happy stuff, flowers, etc. Just eye candy. Even a /beg/ can make it that way.

>> No.4702428

>>4702426
>>4702331
>>4702298
>>4702284
I remember a few years ago being in a "shill your social media account" thread, and like a dozen people admitted to pretending to be teenage girls in their bios, when they were in reality ~30 year old men, simply because of how much easier it was to get followers

>> No.4702464

>>4702284
Bro I have a dummy account that has a pic of a random thot and get messages from men asking for nudes and sex. 1 post on my account of a baby from google images.

I can’t imagine what dms these young girls are getting. People are sick.

>> No.4702470

>>4702464
kek, no wonder internet females are misandrist if that's a usual thing.

>> No.4702475

Fuck the shadowban. I don't even have 100 followers and don't spam hashtags, I thought 2 weeks passed since it started but nope. Super fucking annoying

>> No.4702480

>>4702428
No rules, only tools.

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She's more successful than you and paints faces like this

>> No.4702902

>Complete a drawing I'm proud of
>Show friends, they like it
>"You should sell it, get your work out there, do more anon!"
>Get cold feet about everything that entails (approaching strangers, pricing etc)
>Think "What if it's actually shit? Can I do this consistently? I hate letting people down" and all sorts of shit
Every fucking time. I have zero business skills, I want to get my stuff out there and be known for it but I feel like I just become frozen and can't bring myself to make the leap, let alone know who to approach/where to contact

>> No.4702975

>>4702480
people who do that are indeed tools

>> No.4702976
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4702976

My friend refuses to learn anatomy because she says stuff like "actual anatomy isn't appealing, you don't need it unless you want to draw hyper-realistic muscular men (like pic related)". Meanwhile her figures are always disproportionate, stiff characters standing in the same 3/4 angle. Same thing for perspective, she thinks you don't have to study it because it's something you just have to "feel", yet she avoids drawing props in any angle other than a side view. I know I should focus on myself instead of being bitter but it's just so frustrating because this friend keeps whining about how she's not improving, and she constantly lowers her goals (went from wanting to be concept artist to cheap lewd doodle commissioner) to justify her lack of effort.

>> No.4702988

>>4702902
There's nothing wrong with skipping the business process of art, just draw for yourself. A lot of popular artists don't even take commissions.

>>4702976
Post her work

>> No.4703017

>>4702976
I'd cut her off, not as a friend but at the very least as a fellow artist. It's already hard to do good art without someone yammering shit advice in your ear

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>tfw drew it all in the same layer

>> No.4703434

>>4702976
It might be that she’s dealing with some personal issues outside of the art realm which are impacting her learning - I personally have ADHD and depression, and it took a major restructuring of my life and realizing I was dealing with the latter to a large degree that opened me up to really getting out of my mental block and taking studying to achieve the visuals I wanted seriously - I dunno how much you as one person can do there, but that mindset feels like looking at me back in time.

>> No.4703475

>>4703434
I never thought about that that Anon, guess I should be more considerate.

>> No.4703493

>>4694069
I fucking keked outloud

>> No.4703501

>>4694569
watch jojo

>> No.4703504

>>4702976
>Same thing for perspective, she thinks you don't have to study it because it's something you just have to "feel",
She's right tho

>> No.4703513

>>4697869
>>4693523
Please show me your work or where you post them.

>> No.4703534

>>4702976
I get the feeling of wanting to help. But, you can't force somebody to do what they're unwilling to do.
Best thing you can do is to lead by example and hope it peaks her interest as you progress.


Make sure you don't subconsciously pick up on her self-defeatist attitude.

>> No.4703613

>>4692800
Absolutely based unfollowers.

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4703702

I spend so much time on small details/distractions when I'm sketching, I feel like 20% of my time is spent actually blocking in the important elements of the drawings, then I spend the rest of that time cycling between correcting insignificant details/browsing/other distractions. Then I start getting anxious that I'm not using my time well. It always feels like I'm not optimizing it by studying something on top of my priority list. Is there any trick to stay focused when drawing, or to stop stressing out about small details? This is seriously killing my productivity, every day feels like I could have drawn way more if I stayed focus and didn't worry too much about each individual sketch.

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4704017

my neck and shoulders feel so fucking stiff from drawing i don't want to do this anymore i'm gonna end up like some quasimodo looking ass

>> No.4704298

i got to the point where i spend all day on this board and don't actually draw. i practice sometimes but barely put any effort and feels like i don't care about it anymore. i don't understand. goddammit.

>> No.4704585

I give up. I've studied my ass off and then something gets in the way, then i forget everything, then study even harder, to then have something else get in the way and i forget even the most basic shit. Now i can't even draw anymore without a shitty wrist brace on and i can't be percice as I'd like to, or else ill be in extreme pain. I don't even think i ever like art anyway. All it brings is frustration, and i'm never happy when making it. It's repetative and un rewarding as fuck for the amount of time you'll spend. I only stuck with this because it's the only skill i have that i could have turned into a career. All this work for to gain nothing. What a sick joke

>> No.4704764

>>4704585
I know nothing of career viability, but for wrist pain, strengthening wrists through exercise and stretching really seems to help.

>> No.4705282 [DELETED] 

>go to an art forum to compare my work to others and post it to get a critique
>see dozens of posts like "I've been drawing for 2 days pls rate lol" and a hyper realistic detailed drawing light years ahead of mine
>alt+f4, motivation out the window, urge to kms rises

>> No.4705348

i enjoy drawing but i have other obligations that keep me busy so i cant grind my fundies etc to improve as id like, sometimes i wish i could quit everything i have going on just to focus on art, but the time i spent on them wouldve been for nothing

>> No.4705378

>>4705282
>taking people fishing for likes on forums and social media by their word

>> No.4705417

>>4693929
your mistakes are pretty obvious you just need to fix them, the line weight is way too thick, scratchy, inconsistent, using thick heavy lines in the wrong areas when dark/thick lines display separation between objects while thin lines display little separation, you should be using thinner lines on things like the abductors/back muscles because the things surrounding them are so close. What I'd do is pull up good line weight reference and emulate that. I don't feel like you've made a conscious effort to fix your mistakes, maybe you've just known you suck at line weight, I've known I sucked at typing speed and hand writing for 16 years but I never made an effort to improve so I never did despite typing and writing for so long.

>> No.4705542

I don't have a structure or plan so I'm not even sure what I should be working on at any given time.
There are so many different courses and guides online but it's impossible to tell which are worthwhile and which are shit.
In short, I feel overwhelmed and lost.

>> No.4706173
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4706173

I'll post something negative and then something positive, since both are on my mind.

Negative:
>Been doing art on and off my entire life, with "serious" study being on and off for the last five or six years
>Can make an OK figure drawing if I spend 100 years on it and have some decent knowledge of some art concepts
>This doesn't really mean much though because I'm lazy and I procrastinate too much and let myself become scared by the fear of failure so my actual skill is still /beg/ tier

Positive(ish):
>Been practicing art more consistent lately and making better progress than expected, making it pretty fun
>Art at least temporarily distracts me from the depression of a recent death in the family

>> No.4706280

>want to draw
>don't want to draw

>> No.4706526

>>4702284
People love their anime styles