/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

GMI:
MrPurin

NGMI:
Grey Sketch Tranny

>mfw when al all black anime studio can draw anime and /asg/ can barely trace and copy a westernized floating anime head
Oh no no no no no no.....
>>4644252

>>4644258

>>4644232
>https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc
Thats a lot of links, I am studying anatomy and construction on my own right now but was curious if you guys had a 'bible of anime head/face construction' similar to the Loomis book. I am pretty comfortable with drawing anime but am always looks to read other works because It adds to my understanding to see it in another light.

>>4644258
except that looks like shit and I can already draw better.

>>4644271

>>4644281
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>4644232
>>4640782

Anyone got a folder of big muscle mommies? Need some refs.

Here's a pretty bad reference drawing from the Kaguya manga.

>>4644695
Soul

>>4644639
drawings or rl?

>>4644813
Both would be great honestly.

See how it looks irl and see how others style it.

SFM works too.

gonna try to learn this stuff

>>4644818
Nice job bro

>>4644281
This is art from their studio? Christ.

>>4644816
I have Tomboys, would that suffice?

>>4644847
It most definitely would not hurt

>>4644845
no its some dude on /asg/ who doesn't believe in fundies

>>4644818
The beasts got perkier but im not complaining

>>4644816
k where can i upload the folders

>>4644281
shameless crab stealing my stuff.

>>4644869
>who doesn't believe in fundies
Never once said that.
Stop putting words into my mouth.
I'm just criticizing idiots that just spewing loomis and fundamental memes without giving an actual direction.

>>4644898
Learning fundamentals is the direction dumbass

>>4644902
No, it's not, you shitposting crab.
Asking someone to learn perspective if they are drawing a bad background/environment is a direction.
Asking someone to learn skull construction is a direction.
Sharing tutorials for drawing hands is a direction.
But just spewing "grind loomis" & "More fundamental" is nothing but empty advice that doesn't help shit.
PYW if you want people to take you seriously.

>>4644898
People told you websites and books to use to learn some fundamentals and you just called them crabs and came up with a bunch of excuses for why you wont read a book.
>>4644911
People are telling you to go check out and read the loomis books, probably the fun with a pencil one just to start out. If you read the sticky at the top of the board, it might help
>pyw
not the guy you replied to, but ok

>>4644915
>attempt to gaslight me
Nice try.
I thanked those person who helped fixed my drawings with red lines, and gave actual advice.

>go check out and read the loomis books
Which is exactly the loomis meme itself.
It's not a direction.
It's just a convenient strawman that you can throw to others.
Evidently, Purin >>4641065 recommended reilly/asaro, krenz box to you guys as well.
But guess what will always be mentioned here?
I will give you a hint.
It starts with 'L' and ends with 'S'

I'm not gonna waste time with you crabs anymore.
The argument never goes anywhere anyway.
You guys are just here to win argument on a taiwanese rice farming forum that don't even give you upvotes.

>>4644943
You said the same shit yesterday, I thought you weren't going to reply to the "shitposters" I can see now why people think you aren't genuine.

If you are being serious, people recommend loomis because it's the easiest to pick up, that was literally the first anime girl I ever drew, and it was because I read the first few pages of loomis and applied that knowledge.

I almost think you're just gaslighting everyone else dude, this will probably be my last reply because I have a feeling you're just trying to "win an argument" as you say.

This guy gave a bunch of great advice if you missed it >>4642572

Sorry, can't really reply much anymore, you've been doing this for days now and it kinda shits up the place.

>>4644943
>But you can try reilly/asaro, krenz box heads if loomis doesn't work for you
Literally mentioned loomis right there.

>>4644858
Ok. Trying to post ones with visible definition exclusively.

>>4644972

>>4644975

>>4644911
Is this your work? >>4644281

If so, just keep drawing. It looks like you're only a few days, maybe a couple weeks in. You still have so much to build. Everything needs a foundation to build on. In drawing people call them "fundamentals". Perspective to ensure you can accurately convey imagery in comparison to everything on the page. Anatomy to ensure any life forms you draw appear realistic, true to their forms. Just two examples. It might seem like "empty advice" as you call it, for someone to just say "more loomis" or "grind fundies", but it's really just the most succinct way of saying you're at the very beginning and basically need to work on anything and everything.

It's not a shot, either. Everybody, and I mean everybody starts from the very beginning. Based on your picture I linked, you are attempting to understand Loomis' method of constructing the head. However, you're missing several steps such as the side planes of the head, the relationship between the jaw and the side plane. "Anime" cartoon style uses 3 regions of the head when constructing hair: front, middle and rear. You are missing all three. The construction of the facial features is absent completely. I would recommend watching Proko's videos on facial feature construction which can be found on his Youtube page.

It appears like you're trying to jump too far ahead into anime without first taking the time to build up your skill level studying fundamentals. I'm not saying you can't draw anime for fun; you should. But >>4644281 is simply riddled with flaws and, likely it or not, the most effective advice is to practice fundamentals.

>>4644976

>>4644978
Don’t try to help that autist, he won’t listen. He’s a lost cause

>>4644281

>>4644911
how is advice to read a specific book not a clear direction?????????????????? literally read Drawing the head and hands to learn this >>4645015 head construction

Is the key to getting good advice being a fully dedicated shitposter larping as a raging autist? When asking for advice I usually get ignored

>>4645068
pyw and i'll try to critique

>>4645068
Yes once you keep complaining people will surely answer

>>4644281
Your circles are all wrong dude, and your jaws are huge.

Here's a copy I did.
I'm still a beginner and I'm currently reading Keys to drawing.

>>4645113
Stop copying anime.

>>4644639
>>4644816
gotchu bruh
mega . nz /file/kVpzxQoL#PVj-R1-GJcZzm13kW8cCk8A-2-RVVENJJcTUER1PUp8

>>4645113
That's excellent. I'm probably even more of a beginner than you. How did you get started?

>>4645113
Cute! Having fun is important in beginning phase. Just explore around and experiment

>>4645015
You changed the character

>>4645143
Probably one of the most self destructive post so far.

>>4645171
How?

>>4645173
Let him enjoy drawing. Practice is important too. Why be miserable about it?

>>4645124
I just copy characters I like.
Not full bodies though, I actually want to learn for real now so I'm reading books / sticky.

>>4645185
To be fair he's right, I'm not satisfied drawing like this anymore.
I want to learn and improve, that copy has some self hatred behind it.

>>4645186
Thanks mate.

>>4645175
Different proportions and shape of the face
The bottom looks like anime velma

>>4645185
Stop giving shitty advice, i bet you’re >>4644911

>>4645227
having fun is the most important thing for beginners so that they are motivated to draw and study

i mean obviously its not as fast as grinding all the time but there's no need to do that

I have been trying to solve this hand but i just cannot get it to feel right. Can I get some critique or second opinions? Thanks!

>>4645234
Make it bigger.

>>4645233
>Having to have fun to stay motivated to draw
>If you're not a dopamine junkie you're not going to make it!
These threads get stupider and stupider every week.

>>4645242
literally why are you drawing if its not fun for you? ? ? ? ? ? ? if you're gonna spend time on something you don't like there are much more lucrative careers

>>4645234
>that anatomy

>>4645245
>implying he’s not a hobbyist
I guess studying to be a doctor is a waste of time.

>>4645245
>enjoyment=/=having fun

jesus go back to rk9/ or whatever shithole you crawled from you fucking underage retard.

>>4645245
Even the beg understands that he needs to be critical instead of drawing for the sake of fun of it, go back to playing your vidya and getting your fifteen minutes of high and false sense of accomplishments this isn't a fucking mindless video game.

>>4645252
i didn't say only draw for fun. you should enjoy studying drawing too. if you don't then whats the point? most of us do art as a hobby, if you're looking for a career then there are better things to study. if you don't enjoy a hobby find one you do.

>>4645015
don't get me wrong, your drawings look fantastic, way better than I can do right now... but your construction doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Why does the ear placement change from your construction stage to your first draft stage? Why is the ear slightly lower on front view to side view? Why does it look like you started with a sphere but arbitrarily removed the bottom 1/5th? Also your center lines don't line up with the mouth and nose at all.

Like I said it looks GOOD I just don't understand your construction.

>>4645247
Feel free to comment on it as well. I can use all the help I can get.

>>4645234
whats the hand doing

tried doing some studies from FLCL! having fun is very important I think

>>4645286
You might as well post this on DA instead, what the fuck do you expect us to tell you? You copied straight off a couple of screenshots, what is there to critique how well you copied or traced that shit? What is there to critique? If you legitimately want to know where you are skillwise try drawing from imagination, post the piece and then you may receive a critique that would be tuned to what you need to hear instead of being pussy pampered on whether if you had fun or not doing it. Just what do you expect from us to tell you?

>>4645288
uhhh I dunno actually, they're just studies. maybe a comment on some aspects of the style/appeal that I'm not quite nailing down or missing, or something like that. sorry man, I thought these sorts of studies were what we were supposed to be doing in this thread!

>>4645288

>>4645286
You're bad at foreshortening and your lines aren't confident.

>>4645288
if this becomes your reaction to somebody having fun copying some anime, you may need to go outside

>>4645295
They're shit. Stop copying anime, you would unironically learn more grinding boxes at this point.

>>4645295
Nah you're allowed to do this stuff, this guy's just a salty crabby-kun because he can't even draw studies of anime frames. Ignore and move on.

>>4645295
Its fine anon. Ignore the angry crab.

>>4645299
>you would unironically learn more grinding boxes at this point.
Like this?

>>4645301
Bitch don't kill my vibe, bitch don't kill my vibe, BITCH DON'T KILL MY VIBE.

Guys, I am with Santa.
Who's probably gonna sin again, Lord forgive him. Lord forgive him, things he don't understand. Sometimes he needs to be alone, bitch don't kill his vibe, bitch don't kill his vibe, BITCH DON'T KILL HIS VIBE.

>>4644236
Who’s MrPurin?

>>4645336
The one who made this and these
>>4645015

>>4645234
you need to get back to uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...loomis, you are missing some key parts in the hand but the worst thing is that you don't know where the articulations are or whatever they are called look at your hand you should be able to see it right away, also remember the index finger is slightly out and not completely aligned with the wrist and the thumb is way more out not like in your drawing,,, ughh

>>4645305
The one on the left looks off. What’s going on with her stomach area?

>>4645354
Why are you grunting?

>>4645324
>>4645322
wtf this guy's having a meltdown lmao

>>4645383
I can feel your energy from two planets away I got my drink I got my music. I would share but today I'm yelling BITCH, DON'T KILL MY VIBE. BITCH, DON'T KILL MY VIBE.

>>4645354
Did you actually learn from Loomis or just by copying spacejin and use the word Loomis to sabotage other people? Loomis is absolutely terrible in conveying any sort of information.

>>4645288

>>4645426
Haha crab gotem

>>4645418
>>4640831
Cope

>>4645418
loomis=f******
i cant say the F word or some autist may have a stroke but anyone should know what that means.

>>4645439
Why accidentally mislead people into learning fundamentals from the worst author when it comes to teaching just to avoid triggering the sensibilities of some dedicated shitposter? You're hindering people to who are actually trying in favor of people who never even were willing to try in the first place

>>4645443
Not him but you would unironically learn a lot more copying from Loomis plates than your anime screenshots.

>>4645443
If they are smart or have been for some time here they will instantly know Loomis is a meme.

>>4644232
Is that the mum from Gridman?

Is construction just a meme? Never seen anyone with skill level of Int and above use it. The just straight goes at it

https://youtu.be/wWh-Mga_MKg

>>4645459
you have below /beg/ intelligence. they start with construction. and when you've done the same pose enough you internalize the construction in your head.

>>4645459
he did enuf practice in the past so he can internalize construction in his head

>>4645459
The real secret is mileage. Everyone using construction discards every single landmark for no apparent reason in the middle of the process like >>4645015 If anything this whole series of threads is a testament on how everyone in here, even good artists, are fully dedicated to offer you the most harmful advice. Best thing you can do is close it and just use either any other thread or materials on your own.

>>4645459
>is construction a meme?
>linked video clearly starts with a ball and cross center form which is then refined into a head shape
cringe bruh

>>4645459
Some do, some don't use it. It's all up to your taste. Construction is just a tool to lay down cues that may help you, mainly with perspective. That's all it is. It's not required the same way sketches are not required. Some people just free hand it all.

>>4645470
except from that ball which the single thing that sets everything they just literally freehand the hand position and foreshortening and everything still look fine without anatomical contruction

>>4645468
it's because construction is secondary to intuition. it's not a rigid rule that the drawing police will arrest you for breaking. you use it for your drawing up until the point that it stops being helpful, then you discard it.

>>4645476
basic gesture knowledge

>>4645479
>Just have intuiton bro
Great advice! Thank you now I'm a great artist

>>4645468
Yeah everytime a pro demonstrate construction its like they freehand the whole thing first then add meme construction lines and then begs try to copy it by doing the exact opposite...doing the construction first

>>4645481
i'm so glad people like you get frustrated and quit, it would be fucking annoying if pros were such fragile snowflakes. have your 2nd month of drawing argument victory then leave. faggot

>>4645481
Do you nitpick words from selected posts and disregard the rest of what they said?
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>>4645465
>>4645463
>>4645476

>>4645479
Don't bother trying to explain motor skills and mileage to these retards, they expect instant results by following a tutorial with moonrunes and then commence to bitch and moan as to why all they can do is draw random floating animu heads whenever they see a video of a seasoned Nip not use any of the fundamental shit we practically parrot to these retards.

>>4645486
>I'm so glad I get to actively sabotage people
I really wish these threads would stop being such a cesspool

>>4645481
Congrats you're now a pro

>>4645490
Sabotage? He is telling you exactly what you need to do to learn how to draw practically anything, basic forms and the use of construction on them is the cornerstone behind all good drawing regardless of style used. You're just incredibly stupid and need to hear it from some random Jap in order for your weebmind to accept the information we're spoonfeeding you.

>>4645489
Sadly people just wanted shortcuts

>>4645489
>we
There are three kind of posters in these threads.
>People who actually ask for advice because they need help
>People who actively shit on the people asking for advice when they don't even draw and just repeat meme words for the sake of being harmful
>People who actually draw and are good, these people are too busy drawing and they barely post once in a blue moon

>>4645498
also
>People who actively draw for decades and never get good

>>4645495
>He is telling you exactly what you need to do to learn how to draw practically anything
>Have intuiton
>Definition: An ability to understand or know something without needing to think about it or use reason to discover it
Just have the spark bro

>>4645490
you literally just need to read fun with a pencil, i don't understand you primitive fools. it's disgusting to see arguments being made that were solved in a literally 100 years old book
STOP watching pros draw. i hardly ever do it and i am making good improvement. i think it can only ever fuck you over because they do a lot of gimmicky shit that only comes with hundreds and thousands of hours of practice that you WILL NOT be able to replicate. you literally learn nothing by watching KJG draw

>>4645443
loomis is the equivalent of git gud in vidya, when the problems are so obvious you get vague answers because it's obvious you are a casual and over explaining is most likely be fruitless because you are too casual to understand too much info, that drawfag missed simple observations not to mention the whole anatomy it's obvious he barely or not studied anatomy, the short answer will be grind your fundies but loomis is better if he is a newfag and actually studies loomis he unironically will get better, if he wasnt he would knew his drawing is so shit that got loomis'd.

imma keep copying hitokaku and mix it up with other studies

>>4645504
>Definition: An ability to understand or know something without needing to think about it or use reason to discover it
because the artist did years of studying so he can freehand and internalize his construction. What's so hard to understand?

>>4645489
Pretty much
>>4645498
Even the anon who made >>4645015 gave good advice and those retards still won’t listen.This dipshit even try to dimiss him by saying this shit >>4645418.

>>4645510
goodluck brother

>>4645504
you gain intuition as you construct more, you begin to see what you can skip or abstract away for a given pose (i.e. for a given head angle) i notice it myself. since i mostly draw kemono, i have started to develop an intuition for the placement of the nose, which has no real construction methodology that i've seen because of how abstracted away the snout is. it comes down to this: you use construction up until the point that you don't
i think most people here underestimate how much pro level anime/manga artists actually draw

>>4645511
>Because the artist did years of studying so he can freehand and internalize his construction. What's so hard to understand?
>Definition: An ability to understand or know something without needing to think about it or use reason to discover it
>without needing to think about it or use reason to discover it
Studying implies there was active reasoning taking place. You're telling people to just instinctively draw good, but if you can't you just have to study, not that the artist did that in the first place since he always had intuiton! Please stop contradicting yourself through your own lies.

>>4645509
it's simply disgusting, 50 pages of fun with a pencil explains literally 90% of what you need to understand to draw figures, then you just refine your technique over time. imagine ignoring 50 pages of material that you can work through in a week at a leisurely pace and instead shitposting on an cartoon pedophilia CIA-psyop image board

>>4645486
I wish people like him would quit and stop posting instead of staying around just shitting up the place. Unfortunately, they don't and tend to be a blight on whatever community clearly doesn't want him but can't remove him.

>>4645498
Actually there's only one type of poster in this thread and they're actively posting right now as you can see >>4645504 is a prime example of the absolute braindead retardation that absolutely refuses to use an ounce of critical thinking to realize that you attain intuition through years of repetition through the use of construction until it becomes a natural flow. This is otherwise known as skilled labor, you see the same concept applied in the workforce when a technician or a craftsman has performed the same job it becomes second nature and you know exactly how to solve a problem.
>AW NAH DUDE I WATCHED ANIME AND COPIED IT 150 DAYS STRAIGHT BOOKS ARE GAY PRACTICE IS GAY YOU JUST NEED TO BE A REAL NIGGA LIKE ME AND YOU'LL MAKE IT

>>4645525
the only way to prevent it is to have a walled garden style forum or similar community, but i hate those because they inevitably lead to circlejerk dick sucking and stupid clique drama shit. i would rather just call these snowflakes faggots when they wander in here

talent and spatial intelligence is responsible for 99% of results though.

>>4645528
>NAH DUDE I WATCHED ANIME AND COPIED IT 150 DAYS STRAIGHT
even that would be better than what these people do. i bet they don't even draw every day

>>4645525
He's pretty easy to recognize so just bash him as you see him.

>>4645522
>not that the artist did that in the first place since he always had intuiton!
you absolutely sure?

>>4645531
These threads are at least two years old and we have yet to see anyone improve, as a matter of fact these threads have actually hindered and crippled you tards and gotten worse.

>>4645522
The artist wasn't studying that drawing, retard. He simply didn't use construction because he's drawn so much he can find all his landmarks by eye.

I'm glad you'll never develop such a skill though. One loser less out from competition. Sad I couldn't gatekeep this info though but it had to be said.

it should be made illegal to watch footage of pros drawing on youtube if you have less than 500 hours total time drawing. these "people" need to be placed in a concentration camp

>>4645532
I ignore his posts but others don't so it ends up with 100s of wasted posts in a thread and no drawing like now.

Or there are people that don't know any better and try to help him not realizing he doesn't want help or to ever be helped. It's a very common issue with online communities like here. The troll starts by appearing to ask genuine questions but then you quickly realize it's the same retard not acting in good faith.

It's best to ignore and not reply, not bash.

>>4645537
probably because anyone insane enough to post here is too mental to make real improvement. i only post here because i have no self worth and don't value my time

>>4645545
At least you admit it. Now fuck off.

>>4645542
>It's best to ignore and not reply, not bash.
but it's gratifying to call these tards out for what they really are: fucking basket case nugget head retards who need to be shot for vexing us with such inane questions

>>4645509
Hey. I just wanted some hand advice and got some nice hand advice (thanks). Don't associate me with the raging retard. I do study as well but not as much as I would want due to work becoming more taxing recently, Im just on the slow side of things when it comes to drawing.

>>4645547
the only sadder case here is to have been coming to a thread you think is worthless for ~2 years to complain about how much you hate it. you're a fag bitch who will never improve and you're just confirming the /ic/ effect bruh

>Hardwork! Mileage!
>noooo it's talent!!!!
everytime

>>4645548
You're no better and contribute to the thread being shit by poking the retard with a stick.

this is why you guys should just say loomis or bant these ngmi begs, if you tell them to study this is what you get 50 posts of literally nothing because they will forget this tomorrow and when the same argument happens again it will be exactly the same shit all over again

>>4645516
hey that was what i was gonna say
>>4645510
post your copies! also, good luck brother

>>4645554
now you're just putting me down for being high test and high energy. shameful

>>4645552
That’s a good thing. Keep practicing and improving, hope things go well for you.

>>4645553
No, the only sad part about it is that we come into these threads in good faith trying to spread knowledge instead of having blind dumbasses lead the other blind.

I did a few more studies from FLCL, this time of Naota. focussed on just the face this time and on making my lines a little clearer maybe

>>4645459
>is construction a meme
What do you fucks not get? The entire purpose of fundamentals such as CONSTRUCTION, is to TEACH YOU how to think and draw properly. One you study, learn and practice them, they become INTERNALIZED. Remember when you used to do long division for shit like 144 divided by 12? Now you don't even need to divide, you already know the answer because you've done it so many fucking times that you already know the answer is 12. It's the same SHIT. You learn how to construct a head, after having drawn 10,000 heads you don't need to fucking do every single step. You can do step 1) draw a circle, step 2) draw the rest of the fucking owl.

No wonder so many of you will fail, you can't grasp simple concepts like LEARNING.

>>4645573
you're late to the party bruh we just spent 50 posts dogpiling and crushing his tiny boipuss with our facts and logic

>>4645570
Good job you copied more screenshots like a human xerox machine, go post it on social media and make sure you sign it while taking a picture of your drawing utensil next to it and hashtag it #drawingwhileblack

>>4645562
I was. I just failed miserably because the hand pose is not straight so that is why I was requesting advice. I just have a hard time improving and wanted to work on the drawing as a break.

>>4645573
this was posted so many times it baffles me how people still dont get it

this is why copying is the biggest begtrap, retards who blindly copy are ngmi

>>4645570
These are great anon. Can you tell me for teaching purposes, what the reasoning behind your horizontal center line is for the face? I'm trying to apply Loomis to anime and not having much luck. If you could show me your typical head construction I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

>>4645579
>Tell me how to draw big animay tiddies
>Well, you see first of all it takes the use of fun-
>NO, I SAID BIG ANIMAY TIDDIES!

>>4645578
>sausage fingers

>>4645570
good lines mostly, evocative of my memory of the show. don't in the hair, it'd look much more professional if you kept the hatching going.

>>4645582
not him, but its literally just the center of the face......

>>4645588
How do I fix it?

>>4645587

>>4645590
nope the horizontal center line runs on the bottom edge of his starting sphere, the jaw is added after the fact. This isn't how loomis does it, where the center lines are quite literally in the center of the sphere.

jesus fucking christ this thread

just draw

>>4645117
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>>4644976
>>4644990

Thanks guys

>>4644880
Anywhere you want man. If you're one of the above posters though, thanks again!

>>4645592
We don’t need /ic/ when we have this image that sums up the whole board so nicely.

>>4645562
Also sorry to insist. But is it THAT bad? People always immediately assume I don't do any practice when in fact is the thing I do the most when it comes to drawing to the point I rarely get to work on pieces anymore. It just makes me feel frustrated.

>>4645618
do more finished pieces then

>>4645582
hey, generally I use it as the eye-line for where the bottom of the eyes will rest. I don't stick to it necessarily all the time, but it helps me keep track of the tilt of the head when I'm filling out the face. I think Loomis does use something similar-ish. I hope this drawing helps illustrate it better

>>4645577
haha sorry, these ones I'm posting now are without reference if that makes it easier to critique. trying to take the style from the study and apply it a bit.

>>4645589
>don't in the hair,
don't shade in the hair? scribble in the hair? I'll try to keep the hatching more consistent either way, thank you!

>>4645618
It's not that bad. Hands are really hard too.

>>4645618
It wasn’t that bad, it was ok, but still has a good amount of flaws to it. Don’t feel frustrated, as long as you keep practicing and following the advice given, you’ll improve in time.

>>4645621
On it.
>>4645625
>>4645628
Thanks. I'm well aware flaws are plenty but I'm having a hard time juggling all of them at the same time so I try to focus on one thing at a time.

>>4645618
the ultimate hack for drawing hands is to make the pose with your hand and just draw it from observation

>>4645622
>don't in the hair,
yeah that part got dropped rewriting the post. don't scribble in, keep going with the uniform lines with the same weight and direction. i was trying to find some good hatching with pencils videos but couldn't. just copy the patterns you like but you're already doing that.

>>4645622
The cheek is a bit too high
>>4645635
Try to draw a full body and focus on hands.

>>4645015
Could you upload the brush? My current ones all suck balls

construction
https://youtu.be/XYKGskoLX1g?t=28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaJbr6OtELg

>>4645665
nice i've scribbled some iroha too

>>4645665
i feel like I've seen this exact same iroha pose before
her left (your right) eye needs work. nose shadow makes her nose look fat

>>4645665
Nice to see you pops

I'm fukin dyin in this thread

>>4645015
For some reason, you always seem to push the jaw and cheek just a little too far forward in 2/3rd views Purin.

keep on drawing

do professionals do construction often? or have they done it enough they just get a feel for where things go?

>>4645909
Only if it's really complicated, they can get most landmarks by feel.

>>4645909
no construction at all is what /beg/s think you have to do along with not using reference. it makes it easier to plan out and iterate over designs. you don't just make one piece of art, you keep making art going back and forth until it gets approved. in a professional context, you are generally wasting time if you're not using some construction. construction doesn't mean a full mannekin every time, it can be stick figures or shapes. there's a spectrum.

>>4645660
MrPurin shared the brush he used in previous thread.

>>4645288
pyw

>>4645939
Thanks I must have missed it

>>4645295
It's fine, do both. Most animators learn from copying other animators lines, getting the hang out of it and studying from real life reference along with it.

maids or bunny girls, /asg/?

>>4645234
i feel that you'd benefit from using more straight lines and less lines overall. i see this in most of your work: you try to show all the forms of the body. this, combined with the aforementioned lack of straights, leads to your figures looking bloated. this is especially apparent in the construction of the palm of the hand. sure, this could be written off as an attempt to make your figures voluptuous, but it lacks nuance and subtlety. part of the beauty of anime is simplification, and letting the viewer fill in the blanks with the clues you give them. at least, that's how i interpret it.

just take a pic of your hand and draw it, bro

>>4645948
nice!

>>4645948
>tfw I was the bloatmax all along
I'll let you know its nothing about a conscious attempt of an stylistic choice and more of a desperate attempt to cover up flaws and shortcomings. Thank you for the tip, I understand the idea but I don't think I would be able to pull it off properly at the moment even when trying, I can barely manage as it is. Also I choose bunny girls.

>>4645948

>>4645948
the maid's head is incredibly fucked up, you probably don't need all the hatching in the ears. the bunny girl's hand doesn't look right and i can't make that pose, i'd at least say rotate the middle and index fingers more like the pointer. you could make the maid's forearm a little narrower/show where the wrist is

>>4645948
Your maid looks like the wojak that >>4645977 posted.
Try to get the head shape right before focusing on the features.

>>4645982
>>4645986
Luckily for that anon it doesn't matter at all because you can just liquify the shit out of it.

>>4645948
dude, the maid's head looks like a sperm whale, I tried to do the possible using mesh transformation

>>4646015
Can't liquify it if you're too much of a brainlet to even notice how much you fucked up.
Imagine posting a drawing on twitter and all 4 followers telling you to liquify it lmao I'd delete my twitter.

>>4646078
That's why you don't immediately post work after you make it.
1) Wait one day (and make sure you've checked it when the image has been flipped)
2) The next day, check the image on your phone and normal monitor.
3) Check the colours a third time and maybe spin around the filters a bit more
Now you can post it

There's also a limit on how much you can fuck with the lineart via mesh/liquify etc so you need to be careful. This is why I always work at high resolutions to make the fact that I've liquified the fuck out of it less noticeable. If you always spend a fuckload of time on your lineart making it look amazing people will notice a lot more if part of the line weight is squished whereas if the linework was garbage bin tier to begin with (like mine) it matters less.

>>4645288
>when you fail to read the OP of the thread

>>4646085
i would never touch the lineart with any of those tools. they're safe to use on the sketch, but fuck up the aliasing of the lines too much to be used on lineart.

>>4646085
Why use liquify when you can redo the whole thing again :^)

>>4646201
You can't actually usually tell on the finished product because it gets downscaled super hard and if it's super blurred which is unlikely you can use an unsharp or smart sharpen on it.
>>4646207
Disgusting...

>I don't even know what liquify is
So how does this work in correcting mistakes?

>>4646231
Lets you rearrange art the way fashion magazines rearrange the faces of models. It's easy to learn you just push things around

(I use the PS version of liquify. there are a huge bunch of tools and 99% of the time you can just ignore all of it except the default. sometimes you might need freeze mask (to avoid shoving specific body parts around while you say, move around the hair). rarely will you ever touch the other tools like pucker/bloat, some weird left shift thing I think...)

>>4646322
Those arms are tiny as hell. You know the slow sits at the navel (which doesn't migrate much even when you're fat) and the longest fingertip should hit at mid thigh right?

>>4646325
Manh, i draw this at late night.

>>4644915
SOUL

>>4645608
yeah i was >>4645117

I hate my sketches.

>>4644232
Which book is this from?

>>4646483
https://twitter.com/55301puri

>>4644822
thanks anon
>>4644876
haha i just noticed it, I was probably thinking how they would look from below

>>4646478
Everybody does at first. You must keep going. The head and hair shapes are actually pretty good (except the side profile unless you were drawing handsome squidward) it would seem to me you should practice facial features and their positions on the face. Also big noses on anime faces is a bit of an odd choice

>>4646891
yea at first, I'm not new at this those, I'm just a retard. As for the noses, that's the style. Modern anime is disgusting. But yea like you said I guess I should just drill 100 eyes noses etc.

>>4647103
>those
though*

>>4646556
thank you

>>4644232
Anyone have an in depth guide on digital inking?

>>4644818
attempt #2
I couldn't really make out her neck/collar bone/shoulder area and I think there should be a way to show her right boob is atttached to her body but I wan't sure how to do it

>>4647302
Your torsos are too big. In the picture you can clearly see several differences:

Neck starts right above the left tit
Nose is right above left nipple
Elbow is below left tit
Belly Button is right below the ear
Left hand ends around the same point where left boob starts
Right knee is right below right nipple
Among others

Use vertical lines bro, they help lots

>>4647302

I'll have to work harder more to draw my waifu

>>4646375
Well thanks again man. Much easier than pausing Youtube vids for muscle reference.

>>4647302
Post the original picture without all the lines

>>4647436
nigga you coomer, bitch?

you can use loomis to construct anime but the proportions are different. if you divide the face into 3rds, the top third is not the eyebrows to the hairline, it goes down to something like the top third of the eyes.

the mouth isn't a third of the way down from the nose, it's a quarter.

and the eyebrows are a quarter of the way up the top third of the face.

>>4647351
I can't believe I missed how much space I left between her chin and right boob (and other things you pointed out). I'm thinking I committed to my construction too much even though I didn't get it exactly right so I didn't notice those things because it looked like everything made sense. Gonna pay more attention at that stage.
Thanks for the feedback anon.

>>4647356
I'm not sure if this means the girl looks good or the drawing looks bad

>>4647436
here's the pic anon

my fap powers get in the way of drawing help

>>4647524
tried it on a second one to be sure. works the same.

>>4647564
Get a dick cage

keep drawing

>>4647652
What's a dick cage gonna do HELP ME GO PEEPEE??

>>4647624

>>4647666
No it's gonna make it hurt to have a boner. Don't take it off until you make an art.

>>4647660
He's cute. Keep drawing

>>4647302

the boobs look wrong because you are not taking in mind the mass of the boob and how interacts with the clothes that are pushing it, further more you don't know how does the fat expands under the skin, your boobs look like bad implants.
and get a better artist to study that right leg is aids

>>4647410
no problemo, always good to help a fellow connoisseur

>>4645286
>>4645570
more studies from FLCL tonight. just the faces again.

>>4648050
Hey, you're paying more attention to clean confident lines and the proportions! Nice, keep on going flcl bro

I love her voice
>tfw you're not a cute girl that's also a professional artist.
https://youtu.be/hDPkuROUDq4

>>4648104
>tfw both terrible artist and not cute
Life is constant pain

>>4648104
I thought they ran this bitch out of town

>>4648104
H-he probably hired some cute nippon girl to do the voice over

>>4647302
look at the left wrist; it should be at a sharper angle and the heel of the hand should be closer to the face

Are there any more construction type pics from this artist? >>4645015 >>4645340

I find them extremely useful

Since they said to draw bigger but what's the best size to downsize the canvas so it won't be giant when I post sketches?

>>4648239
>Are there any more construction
Check out their DAD page
https://dad.gallery/users/174/submissions

eye practice.
how does it look

>>4648239
Also I got this

>>4648333
>>4648257
thanks much appreciated

anything major stands out that I need to work on? aside from hair, I haven't really studied that yet.

>>4648455
hands are big, deviantart "anime" face shape

>>4648462
>deviantart "anime" face shape

>>4648462
>deviantart "anime" face shape
how do you mean? and what do you propose to fix it?

>>4648455
the angle of the boobs, compare the bra string

>>4648472
the cranium in general is too small, the hair too close to the head. look at the cheek bone and cheek angles, how far the edge of the face is from the far eye. your cheek bone points way the hell out making her face look very sharp when its a softer angle and turns closer to the height of the nose.

Ok this is good info actually as I've been trying to understand the nuances in construction of heads. As I understand, after making a sphere for the cranium, the brow line goes about halfway on the cranium, and the eye line goes further below (and depends on style, size of eyes, etc) The ear starts at the eye line and the top of it is level with the brow line. Is this correct? also the questions on pic related

I think my problem is I read the first couple of chapters of loomis, but only once and then I never picked it up again.

reply to people you're talking to if you want more information.

this is why you're supposed to study life, draw from real life/skulls. look up the zygomatic bone and zygomatic arch. it points to where you place the ear hole/general placing of the ear. study anatomy and analyze where the stylizations are deviating from real life. it makes drawing anime way easier when you know how to draw actual people and anatomy.

test

>>4648532
I did exactly what that post said for the face at least and it really helped me understand how to draw better anime faces.

>>4648314
Are you studying from reference, you're foreshortening the back eye way too much, it shouldn't be that small compared to the closer eye

>>4648615
right looks much better, nice work. ears could use some work, there's a reason anime usually has hair covering up the hard parts like that (or to cover where the back of the neck attaches to the head). other thing is to flip your canvas when you lay in the eyes, the far eye is kinda high but nothing a little lasso and move couldn't fix this early on.

>>4648514
>I think my problem is I read the first couple of chapters of loomis, but only once and then I never picked it up again.
Yep, go check it out again bro

>>4648623
>there's a reason anime usually has hair covering up the hard parts like that (or to cover where the back of the neck attaches to the head).
That's not why they do that... But I agree that he needs to work on it. Like the proportions and how the top of the ear should hit mid to top of the eye and the bottom of the ear sits at the base of the nose.

>>4648628
>That's not why they do that...
Then what is? Those parts are hard to make look right in cartoon styles so it's easier to make it look more consistent by covering that up.

>>4648630
It's the fact that hair draped over the head covers these places? Japan actually likes seeing ears so a lot of anime characters, especially cute moe girls, have big ears showing, not hidden.

Anyways it's not like animators and manga artists draw long hair to avoid drawing the back of the neck or the ears, man. They actually draw that stuff before putting hair on top of it, it's essential to getting everything placed properly. And it's really not hard to stylize anatomy into something like anime. They're always drawing these things you can't see because you think they're hiding them, for some reason. Do you think this way because that's your personal reasoning? Like, you can't draw the back of the neck connecting to the head, or you can't draw ears, so you think of hair as something to put in to hide it? And that must be what everyone else is doing too? That's kind of self centered to think everyone works the same way as you, isn't it?

>273 posts and still no grey sketch tranny in sight
I declare, this thread as based and GMI-pilled.

>>4648760
never speak of the devil

>>4648760
Don't mention that asshole you'll just summon him. Shhhhhh

>>4648623
thanks so much for the feedback! i totally wasn't expecting that.

Reminder that crabs don't want you to have fun drawing.
Reminder that most manga artists have shitty body proportions when they started.
Reminder that crabs don't even draw.
Reminder that loomis is just a meme to trigger you.
Reminder that loomis method is for loomis to understand drawings, not for you. You need to find your method.
Reminder that whoever replied to this reminders without posting their works is just shitposting crab.

>>4648622
>Are you studying from reference
yes i used a tutorial of an artist i liked.
> you're foreshortening the back eye way too much
got it. will try gain


question
is it good enough(looks anime) and is the eye good?

>>4648767
no problem. and didn't mean to imply that you should cover up the parts that are hard to draw. it's just a trend you start noticing as you draw more, where artists cover parts with hair or clothes so they don't have to draw them. like a lot of anime will show ears poking out but usually uses the hair to break up the main shape of the face from the ear. but there are plenty of examples in this thread where you see whole necks or ears.

>>4648781
Not that anon.
But it looks good enough.
The main problem is the line lacks confident and the positioning is definitely off (look at the eye brows, then look at the eyes, now you can notice they are very very off)
design wise? It's good, since you refer it from a tutorial anyway.

>>4647927
thank you for taking the time to do this, anon.
>right leg is aids
haha I thought there was something weird there. I want to practice some stylization and think anime looks cool but don't really know a lot about it, I think I found that pic on twitter. Who are some anime artists that would be a good idea to study?

>>4648152
I didn't care much about the hands on this drawing but you are correct, thanks anon

While I streamed someone commissioned me to draw this, I'm not happy with the outcome but they liked it.

>>4649027
there's something off about her left boob but it's still nice. Nice work anon

>>4649057
Thanks mate, i'll go study boobs

>>4648050
>>4645570
attempted some without reference this morning

>>4648064
thanks! I think the lines only looking cleaner because the image is scaled down though

I just tried to make sense of her face by figuring out how the skull would look. Idk I still don't get it. I can't make sense of this shit :( I can't draw this old style anime

>>4649239
lmao why? Why you do this-- turn Grunewald into Skeletor? Just stick with what this guy found >>4647624
>>4647524
No reason to complicate it and make it more difficult for yourself yet. Practice from this before trying to do skull stuff if it's too much.

does gesture work differently for more stylized anime characters?

>>4649323
hey genius, i uploaded both pictures. you are telling me to learn from myself. way to go.

>>4649027
You’re not all that good, yet you’re streaming, getting viewers, getting commissions, and your customers are happy.
>tfw I see anons making it

>>4647524
Why are you trying to learn from this source material? The uncanny Valley mask faces will teach you bad habits

>>4649729
i just prefer this old style. i don't like chibi loli modern shit.

>>4649596
If you're asking that you don't know what gesture really means.

>>4649792
I'm just asking how to do it for the more stylized characters cause they're not drawn like all the art poses you do in /beg/. I can see the main shapes used in construction, but when I try mine come out stiff af.

>>4649239
Made me laff but that's one way of analyzing things. I think it's pretty clever desu

>keep getting told my anatomy is trash in non anime places
>nobody points out anatomy in anime places.

art school teachers/students really hate anime that much huh

>>4649664
>You’re not all that good, yet you’re streaming, getting viewers, getting commissions, and your customers are happy.
Yes, crab.
Turns out it only matters what the public likes. go figure. Stop hating.

>>4649824
I'm probably going to just do anime from now on, even though I hate it. At least I have more wiggle room and I don't have to put up with "professionals" puking on me as often.

>>4649836
if you hate don't do it, try to find your style.

>>4649824
Because their minds are conditioned to "MUST DO CORRECT ANATOMY!! REEEEE" like most crabs here.
Meanwhile, most anime didn't even have the correct skulls.
And most erotic drawings have the most fucked up body anatomy just to show off their boobs/butts.
Most normies don't even care about correct anatomy. They just want visual appealing drawings.

>>4649824
Because /asg/ it notorious for being the retard thread.
>give useful resource to /asg/ sperg
>"wtf this isn't anime!!!!!"
>you need to have fundamentals first, you don't build a house without a foundation
>"b-but my favorite mangaka never learned to draw 3d!!!"
>that isn't remotely true, learning anatomy and fundamentals is mandatory
>"whatever crab loomis is useles!!!!"
Like okay, anon. Do you want to get better or forever produce comically bad work?

>>4649842
I understand My anatomy is bad, but some times you gotta break the rules anon, in my opinion a person that knows how to break the rules to make a drawing more appealing is better at drawing that dude that draws religiously following the rules.

>>4649841
Explains why your art is shit

>>4649845
You only break the rules when you know your fundies. You can have an opinion, but yours is an uneducated one.

>>4649850
okay.

>>4649845
As long as you're aware of your flaws and plan on doin better you're fine. Normies who don't draw don't religiously check for anatomy mistakes anyway. As long as it looks appealing they'll like it

>>4649850
Is hitokaku alright for fundies?

>>4649845
You can't break the rules if you don't know the rules. Fundamentals are rules. Honestly, how do you expect to be able to draw something like pic related if you haven't learned a single useful drawing skill?
>inb4 pic sucks, its just an example anon
Some people seem to think that they aren't allowed to draw anime if they are studying fundamentals with 3d. What? How many times have I seen people in here, including myself, trying to tell people to schedule studying time AND fun time? Spend an hour or two studying/practicing, then spend an hour or two drawing your waifus. But if you honestly expect to just "draw anime" and get good? You won't. You will waste an enormous amount of time at the beginner stage.

You gotta understand that you guys don't get flamed for "being a beginner", you get flamed for acting like you have a clue what you're talking about vs a well established metric that's been around for decades. Look up dunning-kruger, it's real and rampant in /asg/ posters.

>>4644232
Took a break from gesture grinding and what started as a pose practice turned into an actual drawing.

Enjoy Beatrice taking a fat dump WIP. Everything below the waist needs adjustment but fuck yes I'm feeling like I'm getting to that point where I can start drawing the fetish art that I want.

>>4650228
wait i'm confused. When you draw the body do you actually use what you learn from drawing realistic or is it different. top left is me doing anime head with body i know from anatomy book i study outside of anime.

also bottom right is my fav. i think i will stick with those eyes

>>4650228
>>4650627
sorry not meant for you

new

>>4650682
>>4650682
>>4650682

>>4649596
>>4649806
Gesture is just the rhythms of the body and the main line of action. The more stylized something is the more it’s about shape, good shapes also means good flow between them. You’ll see this with cartoon and westaboo anime artists that use simple shapes like Yoshinari

>>4645015
How could mrpurin be so based

>>4650627
What you learned from anatomy?
Not much apparently

>>4650041
Alright I'll take a week to fucking go trough loomis again, and see if its true that my shit is too broken or if its just western cucks being salty.

>>4650627
Of course you use what you learn from RL anatomy. Anime is based on RL. How the fuck are you going to know how to draw anime "style" correctly if you don't have a grasp on what it's even stylizing? You'll still be able to copy poses that you remember, but you won't be able to really understand how to do it yourself and have it look good without understanding anatomy first.

Wondering whether I should bother to ink this one, what do you guys think?

>>4652147
Yeah-- ink it. It's good.

>>4650228
>Drawing Beatrice
Based. I do the same thing for fun because I really like how she is drawn in the manga. She has one of my favorite character designs of all time and I'd love to be able to draw her beautifully one day.

i started drawing a few days ago, got the construction basics somewhat down and for now im just copying a bunch of junji ito drawings (portraits and stuff, not any complex monsters or anything). question: is his style too hard for me to use as a reference for a beginner like me?

>>4653142
should be fine if you focus on getting the underlying structure down and don't caught up in copying all the details.

here's a vid of him drawing, if you haven't seen it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nYjze3giIU