/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Are these threads worth gracing my presence on?

>>4640801
yes pyw

>>4640464
I went overboard (and made her extra generic face) im sorry :[

>>4640807
based, saved

>>4640782
i lost

>>4640807
Copy more anime

>>4640807
what brush is that? really nice texture

I don't understand the technical aspects of drawing anime eyes. I know they are all sorts of shapes, but I do not know how to place em when first mapping the face and then how to actually draw them if I plan to line a piece. Do I outline the eye? do I do the whole eyelash in one stroke?

>>4640820
reminds me of this set
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1679706

/asg/ copies be like

>>4640825
>sees good art
>ask how to draw said good art
>told to study fundies
>seethe
The average copyfag aka /asg/

>>4640807
but the ear is the sexiest part of the woman (after the feet)

>>4640807
Are you the same one who made this

Inferior copy machines get pwned so hard they are making a new thread.
NGMI

>>4640862
it's past bump limit anon..

>>4640821
Learn to place regular eyes first
It's the same just stylized

>>4640875
I can place em, I guess I'm asking more about the little nuances in styling anime eyes, especially as there is tons if different styles too them

>>4640560
>>4640350
here's my attempt + other + other hairstyles

>>4640844
yeah

>>4640820
this one for the lineart
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1695958
this one for shading
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1738915

loli.

>>4640882
>yeah
I'm jeeeelooouus but practicing pays off I see so I'll keep drawing

>>4640882
How do i get this good?

>>4640882
Thanks, I like that second pack a lot

>>4640891
we must study our fundamentals

gonna draw my waifu some more

>>4640878
See the last thread it was talked about and a little tutorial came out of it

>>4640884
She's too old for loli

>>4640921
Pyw that took 10 mins :)

>>4640949
How do i fing reasources on how to draw hair? Especially long hair thats flat in the top. I cant seem to figure that part out.

is it wrong to use other peoples csp brushes in my own published work?

>>4640977
yes

>>4640983
fuck you

>>4640986
FUCK I meant no, you're allowed to use them for commercial use. I'm stupid sorry

>>4640983
>>4640986
>>4640988
now I'm confused
Im talking about brushes people upload for free on the site

>>4641004
you're allowed to use them whether you paid for it or downloaded for free. They posted their brushes online. that means they're letting you use them for your own works.

>>4640889
Is that Kanamori??

>>4640884
I like the small hair on mouth you did there

>>4640889
don't give up anon
I forgot to post this 2 threads ago if you want to do studies of mogeko and other artist. I hope it helps

>>4640891
thanks anon I'm not that good yet ._. small moe heads are my comfort zone and right now I'm trying to study adult and older male heads
>how do i get this good
unironically loomis and do several head studies in different angles. But you can try reilly/asaro, krenz box heads if loomis doesn't work for you. I also made some notes on >>4641053

>>4640884
Fuck that took 10 minutes?
A drawing like that would take me at least a hour. :(

>>4640882
>>4641053
>>4641065
finally, the person behind asg's most posted gif. do you have blog?

>>4641109
are you the hitokaku studyanon from last thread?

>>4641111
nice quads, yeah i'm hitokaku poster. but i just lurked last thread, don't remember posting

>>4640807
>>4640882
>>4641053
>>4641109
Talent posters need to stop giving advice, your advice only helps if we understand the talent that made you good.

>>4641065
>Unironically loomis
Every copyfag’s nightmare, lmao.

>>4641109
I get ndr vibes from this
is that you ndr? jorjz?

>>4641115
Unironically I have to agree with sketchman this time.
People screaming Loomis nonstop here, but it doesn't help if you don't know what to learn from it.
The construction part and actually drawing the thing part is different.
You guys are just asking others to draw the rest of the owl.
I find it ridiculous when most of the time, the face doesn't even fit the line on the constructions.
And artists are just drawing around it using the construction as a basis.
Which is what it is for. I'm not gonna argue or deny that.
But people here just scream for you to grind for the constructions as if that's gonna just miraculously help you to translate the construction into beautiful drawings.

>>4641128
When the dude asking for advice doesn't even use construction, I think it's ok to tell him go learn to use construction. He's the one trying to draw the rest of the owl, except he didn't even draw the 2 circles first.

>>4641128
>but it doesn't help if you don't know what to learn from it.
The fundamentals. Copy the drawings in the book and analyze where your drawings don't look like the original. Copy and measure, learn to rotate forms.

You have incredibly low IQ if you don't understand construction. If you're the comics poster then you should stop posting there.

The paper part here, the armature is a basic Loomis mannekin. It doesn't matter where you learn it from but stop bitching
https://youtu.be/YvJFCbBNQJU?t=6
https://youtu.be/2-0aucD8By0?t=12

>>4640882
>>4640884
>>4641109
blog? nice studies and loli sketch

>>4641115
unironically agree also.
So many people give half ass advice or advice that sounds like they themselves don't know its hard to understand it.

>>4641109
nice pic. really like bottom right girls, but don't like left up eyes. Whats your advice(please give me something i can understand)for drawing bottom right girls. Feel like thats what i wanna draw like

Do you use that eye style mostly and whats your tip for drawing faces and eyes like that. Wanna copy 100% that style

>>4641149
Again, nothing mentioned between construction and the drawing.
It's just
>Oh just do constructions
>Some squares here, some circles here
>Poof, now draw the body
Is this the power of copy machines on Loomis drugs?

>>4641154
If you can't understand the advice being given, then it might be a you problem. Like this whole second half of your post, asking how to copy his style, with enough practice you should be able to understand how to do it yourself without asking, you obviously need to learn more about lines.
>>4641158
Because the guy asking for advice isn't even doing construction, he should at least start there, then he can start to learn some basic anatomy forms. I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend, is it because you think you are supposed to make a finished piece everytime you draw? That's not true, just look at >>4641115

>>4641065
I'm trying to get gud on moe heads myself but the overall proportion of the head is fucking me.
What proportions/ resource dip you recommend.
Like how far low do you go after the circle and how wide in certain areas

>>4641162
>Supporting never complete drawing and just grind endlessly for sketches
Are you sketchfag himself? Or are you retarded?

>>4641158
That's what construction is. Primitive shapes of the human. I cannot tell if some of you here are this stupid or trolling. Drawing is simply proportions. Construction helps you get most of the way there.

>>4641128
That’s a huge cope

>>4641173
You might be retarded if you think you should only grind endlessly, or only complete drawings 100%. This is exactly what I mean, you guys get upset at people giving you advice, meanwhile you have all these preconcieved notions about how drawing is supposed to work, and then get upset when people try to give you advice and it doesn't conform to your worldview. I can see why people stop coming to these threads after awhile.

>>4641173
why is your reading comprehension so poor? do you purposefully strawman or did it happen unconsciously? how did this
>is it because you think you are supposed to make a finished piece everytime you draw? That's not true
become this?
>Supporting never complete drawing and just grind endlessly for sketches

>>4641149
Are there any more trigger or anime livestream drawing sessions on youtube? Not the regular manga streamers.

>construction is a meme
>grinding is a meme
>loomis is a meme
>hampton is a meme
>talent is real we're all ngmi
yall self destructive

/asg/ at it again with the excuses. It’s a lost cause at this point.

>>4641182
I'm new, and I'm starting to see why everyone here sucks if they actually think grinding fundamentals is a meme.

>>4641185
It's mainly this time of day that's really bad with sketch-kun and others

>>4641182
The fact is that some methods might not work for you, but holy shit something is going to work.
If you think you can just git gud by doing nothing but reading books all day you're delusional at best and a retard at worst
You also won't get good by just drawing boxes cylinders and whatever daily, you have to practice what you want to draw.

>>4640807
I was the one who initially asked for feedback. Wow. This is above and beyond. Reminds me of Type-Moon character. Will update here with some of my corrections. Thanks again

>>4641185
not everyone here sucks, but those who suck have more time for shitposting. You need to understand that if you wanna be an aib user in general.
pic is a lodoss war study

>>4641182
I just wish that anon is just a troll.
Anons provided good advice.
Yes it's hard to understand those construction circle, lines, boxes, etc. at first but as you draw more of these constructions you will eventually understand it.

>>4641222
It's okay for you to give advice, you're not very talented.

>>4641260
You're not skilled or talented, what does that mean for your advice?

>>4641109
thank you! my twitter is cringe and haven't updated in a while. Most of my work and studies are dumped in https://dad.gallery/users/174/submissions
Nice studies btw! Love the bottom right. Blog?

>>4641115
>your advice only helps if we understand the talent that made you good.
????
there's no talent, it's years of frustration plus pages of pages of study and practice.

>>4641128
you're right my constr lines is out of place. I'm used to drawing moe/chibi heads. They're mostly a shortcuts and I just eyeball the placement of the eyes and nose until it looks good.
if I'm having trouble doing faces (adult, semi realistic face), I do proper construction

>People screaming Loomis nonstop here, but it doesn't help if you don't know what to learn from it.
it's why I mentioned trying other methods of doing heads if loomis doesnt work for you. Roomis didn't do shit for me when I started learning it. It's when I tried reilly and others til something clicks.

>>4641260
Are you disabled?

I drew this a while ago
How would you improve this?

>>4641283
Lines too scratchy
her left upper arm is too short, do the pose yourself and make a photo and reference that
Nobody holds ice cream like that

>>4641260
you some kind of an ESL, huh? Talent is just one variable in the (effort+time)x logic formula. It affects the logic part, but that's it, and if you'll follow advice from more talented teachers you won't miss out much.

>>4641286
ok thanks

>>4641222
>>4641292
esl?
aib?

>>4641267
>there's no talent, it's years of frustration plus pages of pages of study and practice.
Honest question. How many years? I'm heading to 2 years of frustration and mountains of pages but I might be the worst artist out there despite putting a lot of effort. Basically anyone who would have drawn as much as me would be great already.

>>4641307
If you've been drawing for 2 years and haven't improved at all, then you're missing something.
How do you practice? Or do you just draw?

what about this kind of style
i am experimenting

>>4641310
Mostly stick to the memory drawing exercise of the effective study guide
>You are missing something
Everyone keeps telling me to try new stuff until something clicks. I have never had something truly click and most of the things I can salvage come from my notes on things that accidentally didnt end up in disaster

>>4641304
english as a second language
anonymous image boards
lurk more

>>4641169
>What proportions/ resource dip you recommend.
I usually study from chibi/moe artists I find online, mostly from splatoon artists and other vidya with cutesy style since that's what I'm into rn

>Like how far low do you go after the circle and how wide in certain areas
It varies from artists but yeah it doesn't go that low from the circle. I wish I could explain it better ;w; my english is shitty

Pic related for example, if you trace a circle over her head, the cheeks/jaw/chin dont go that low. Chibis almost always use just the whole circle

>>4641283
Who grabs a popsicle like that?
Also have some drip down her mouth or hands.
Better anatomy.
Also seconding the line cleaning

>>4641317
I don't really know what the "memory drawing exercise" is, what's the workflow? You look at something and then draw it from memory?
details pls

>>4641222
this is really nice!

>>4641267
Why are you still here?
You draw good,
You tried to make sense in your arguments and advices.
Meanwhile, people just spew muh Loomis, muh constructions, muh circles, when they couldn't even post their works to prove their case.
Not to mention the constant shitting on others.
Leave this crazy land now.
You are too pure for this shit hole.

>>4641335
>Leave this crazy land now.
You're the crazy one. Some people want this place to be better. "hurr durr it's 4chan, it's SUPPOSED to be shit" is not an argument.

>>4641327
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cK9q7oeFRE58MVaSgUql662iGqCXC8Ah/view

>>4641265
I'm the most trust worthy.

>>4641267
Your frustration is unimportant, you don't suck like everyone else that spends years drawing.

>>4641292
Talent is when you take info in from talented teachers, and actually understand what they mean.

>>4641310
You're not talented.

>>4641313
Yikes.

>>4641339

>>4641310 should be >>4641307

>>4641336
Except that you have no chance turning this place good.
While the retards will constantly try to drag others to their level.

>>4641307
I've been drawing for 10+ years. 8+ of those are directionless and extreme symbol drawing. I went from animu style, cartoons, then back to anime-westaboo hybrid. I have no idea what I'm doing.
I just started doing figure studies and some anatomy studies last 2018. I'm also >>4638550

>>4641335
I dip here from time to time, i just dont stay that long. And most of my friends are from here

>>4641335
I dip here from time to time, i just dont stay that long. And most of my friends are from here but thanks anon youre too kind <3

>>4641339
Stop seething. Go outside, have a breath of fresh air. You're not gonna accomplish anything being angry.

>>4641337
I asked for what you do, not what the guide says. If you don't actually do what the guide says the guide is useless.

>>4641313
it's western looking imo
do you have any artist you look up too? mind posting a sample of their work?

>>4641352

>>4641348
Good thing you're one of the few that draw well here, so the shitter will be busy sucking your dick instead of shitting on you constantly.
I just hope you don't get burn out from the toxicity on this place

>>4641350
>pick either art I like or something regarding anatomy I need to learn
>in the case of anatomy. Consult material about how to approach it or how to construct it. This usually boils down to a combination of Hampton and manga materials
>Get the material printed and do trace and copy in tandem
>Write some more notes on the paper and attempt to apply simple construction amd rotation of these shapes
>Let some time pass and try to recreate the material from memory
>Do this for a topic through an entire week
>Attempt to integrate the topic into a piece
>Find success within that week
>Realize any other topic I studied previously its absolutely forgotten and cant recreate it even following my notes
>Go back to study forgotten topic
>Be stuck into this loop forever

>>4641325
Oh sh- thanks for the (you) anon
Thoseare some nice looking chibis

>>4641361
Do you only draw something once or multiple times?
If you don't use information several times you're not gonna remember it at some point.

Pick up an English to (Whatever) Dictionary, search out a word and read the translation. You will now know the translation. You will probably still know the translation in a couple minutes. Tomorrow it'll be gone.

>>4641370
On average 60 times with multiple rotation attempts. I cram about 8 per page give or take along with a lot of direct references. Once went full autismo and tried 500 with heads. Funny enough learning languages isn't an issue, I learnt spanish by myself and currently learning Japanese.

>>4641325
Oh also your English Is not in anyway shitty
What is your mother tongue anon?

>>4641384
If you can do something 60 times and can't do it at all next time then there's something wrong with you, especially when you can learn languages just fine. Sorry but I can't be of help for you

>>4641402
Figures. The reason I keep asking is because everyone claims to have undergone frustration but from what I always get from the answers is that people either were not drawing much or not studying consciously and they soon pick up and skyrocketafter this. Not in my case however, I have to see yet one case like mine and I truly feel both subhuman and filled with negative talent when it comes to drawing. Its all so tiresome.

>>4641326
Besides the left arm like the other anon said what did I mess up with my anatomy?
What should I do to improve my anatomy?
I've read through anatomy for sculptors but I feel that many of the muscles and bones dont apply for anime characters unless I make muscular figures.

>>4641410
Don't feel subhuman.
You tried, that's more than what 99% of people are doing.
I can understand your emotions but I have no idea how to help you.

>>4641411
Most muscles are still relevant for Anime, as you build off of those structures.
Remember Anime is built off of reality, not the other way around.

>>4641418
Don't get me wrong. Im also incapable of giving up so I'll keep trying every day. Only gains Im making however are frustration gains and is truly making every single other aspect of my life worse as well.

>>4641424
Man I'm sorry. I hope you can overcome this with your resilience.
Don't listen to tards here that say "NGMI" or "You're just not talented", they've been brought down themselves and try to drag in others with them

>>4641431
Myself and my very own results are far more terrible crabs than anything 4chan can come up with to be honest

>>4641411
The anatomy is the same in the human body and in anime girls
Just the proportion changes and how much you smooth them out.
I'm this fag
>>4641326
Take a figure drawing course or book from the resources to begin with

Hard round brush

>>4641384
>>4641410
Not him, but do you actually work on finished pieces, or is everything you do just study even if you draw from memory?
I plateaued for almost a year when I only studied and things got much better once I actually worked on illustrations again (also more fun). I don't claim to know how brains work, but it seems to me that if I don't use the knowledge I gained for something my brain will decide it's useless info and throw it out.

>>4641461
Im always working on a piece as its usually a very welcome break from practice and I get to make people happy by doing requests since the bar is quite low

>>4641455
neato

Practice for today.
I hope you guys enjoyed it, because i don't.
Yes, it looks hella good compared to my own imaginary drawing on >>4640350 , which is absolute shit, like a 3 years old doodle.
But i wanted to make mistake to know what i need to learn.
And even if someone pointed out errors in this one, it's error from copying, not from drawing.

I think i want to take a break from drawing properly now.
I will just skip the practice for awhile and just go doodle some random shits, so i won't be posting around.

Thanks everyone for the tips, advice and shared tutorials.
I truly appreciate it.

>>4641635
Why do you spend 1 hour drawing a head every day?

>>4641639
To.... practice??
I don't get what you're trying to ask

>>4641455
very nice

>>4641644
Ngmi

>>4641635
>browse my folder of tutorials
>see pic related
>refresh asg
>see this
spooky

>>4641654
You're in a coma.
Wake up.

>>4641635
>drawing from imagination while you're still learning
RED FLAG

>>4640921
OP here. You're right desu.

>>4640882
purin please be my wife

does anime and manga make use of shape language in overall designs?

I just learned about it and it seems like it's much more pronounced on western styles, but in anime it seems to be a lot more subtle, maybe just through some accessories or hair.

Another day

>>4641635
But you just did the right thing and this drawing looks decent, if you compare it to your previous doodle you are going to see how obvious are the mistakes you made. Trying to draw from imagination and ignoring advice is just going to screw your progress.

>>4641127
no i'm just an online random
>>4641267
that dad page is really inspiring, i'm gonna study it a little bit for my warm up today. i don't post publicly online yet, but i think i'll start this month. currently my empty twitter is @applefootcz. anyway, thanks for the blog, i'll be following you! the amount of work you put in is really admirable, keep it up

>>4640882
>>4640807
Purin, was this you? Because I saw someone submitting this art in /asg/ discord, just in case someone stole your art to get a pass.

>>4642167
oh wait, never mind, seems you only redlining his art. Good job by the way.

>>4642167
I fucking called it, I knew he wasn't using any construction.

>>4642180
Called what? That you’re are a huge retard that can’t draw?

>>4642180
He was only redlining TensukiX's art.

>>4641654
Whoa ... deja vu!

>>4642167
Die discord tranny.

>>4642184
>>4642195
I'm talking about the dude in the picture, he asked for advice here and told everyone studying fundamentals was a meme.

>>4641750
Okay Proko

>>4642244
Hey thanks, that guys pretty good

>>4642167
You guys kicked Purin from the discord yo

>>4641053
Copying

>>4642348
Dont copy that central line randomly, you should be using it to "feel the form" and going down the very middle of that sphere, that's what's going to help your brain realize you are drawing something 3D and not 2D

>>4642242
No, i'm saying that asking others to go study fundamental is a meme.
You can't help and will never ever help anybody by just spewing "GO DRAW BOXES!!" or "LOOMIS LOOMIS!!!"
Because it's a directionless advice.
It's as good as telling someone to "just keep walking" when they asked for directions to a destination.

Here's the construction lines you wanted so badly.
Just because i hid the layers doesn't mean that i didn't draw the construction lines.
Now, you can stop spewing bullshits and go back spewing "MORE LOOMIS!!! REEEEE" meme.

And as everyone can see, the construction line doesn't even help because I have no idea how to use it properly.
And i'm also just drawing face directly on the construction line, which make the face weird as hell.
I'm making the newbie mistake just as >>4642348 doing here.

How can you asks someone to understand the inside of a machine without first looking at the whole machine first?
It's like asking someone to appreciate and learn from the lines of mona lisa without even first spending some time admiring the whole big picture first.

>>4642420
>How can you asks someone to understand the inside of a machine without first looking at the whole machine first?
How can you ask for advice when you don't show us the inside of your drawings. No wonder everything looks off, you literally should go draw some boxes, try out drawabox.com

>>4642420
>Tldr i’m too retarded and don’t want to put in the effort to improve

>>4642420
Now compare your construction to
>>4640844
>>4640882

>>4641162
>with enough practice you should be able to understand how to do it yourself without asking, you obviously need to learn more about lines
this is bad advice and proves his point. What does he have to study to copy that style was what he asked not you telling him " with enough practice you should be able to understand how to do it yourself" So if i practice drawing dicks then would i know how to draw that style

>>4642450
Yes

>>4642437
le master of reading in between lines has arrived

>>4642353
I see what you mean, the line in the middle should be like in this diagram so it won't look flat and use the other guidelines to put in the shapes like the page that talks about "slicing" the sphere

>>4642445
Alright, done.
They are different.
What did i learnt? Nothing.
Because i don't know what to learn.
Should i just learn to become a copy machine?
>"Ohh Ohh, this looks nice, i'm just gonna copy paste it!! Now I'm drawing so nice!! But only on this very particular angle though.."

>>4642450 gets it.
You can't just say "Compare your construction" and expect people to understand and learn anything if you don't explain it.
>>4640882 is doing the correct way of teaching, by explaining where you did wrong, providing some red-lines to prove his point.
God bless that anon, he's the diamond in this pile of shit holes.
But what does the people here do?
Spewing loomis meme, yelling faundamental fundamental, but they will never ever post their work to even prove their points.
Basically, it's the meme word to tell someone "GitGud".
It doesn't help anyone, it doesn't give any directions, it frustrate others.
But there's nothing can be done, because everybody is anonymous, and we can't get rid of the shitposters.
Newcomers are gonna get influenced and join the shitposters.
There's no hope.

>>4642483
Bro I pointed you to that post, fuck you

>>4642483
>Should i just learn to become a copy machine?
>"Ohh Ohh, this looks nice, i'm just gonna copy paste it!! Now I'm drawing so nice!! But only on this very particular angle though.."
That's literally how you learn, yes. After you do that first copy you can attempt to draw it at another angle, if you can't do that I have to assume you are underage or something.

>>4642420
Today I drew how I draw eyes normally, without knowing anything about the construction of them.
(The pair above the single, more detailed eye)

Then I looked at an anime eye study. I took note of the line weight at the corner of the eyes. Using variable weights to create the shape of both the lashes and the eyeball itself. It's subtle details that convey a larger idea of an eye. I looked at how artist place their shines in the iris, and I try to figure out why the lights in that area make sense.

As you can see, it's not so so good, but literally ten minutes of looking at how people draw eyes, and then attempting to recreate those elements in a way that you like, will make you better.

Also it's all shapes. It's literally all shapes. I didn't belive it for awhile and continued on, doing the wrong thing. But truely, spend time drawing boxes and spheres. Different sizes, different angles. As not only does it help you develop a sense of perspective, and a feel for your selected medium, it trains your hand and mind to use these things as a scaffold for the rest.

The thing that makes the drawing look correct, imo, are it's subtle features that go around the boxes.

>>4642486
You pointed me to >>4640844 as well.
But you explained nothing.
They are not even the same facing angle to my drawing.
Also, you didn't explained >>4640882 either.
It's the kind anon that did the explanation.

I just want you to know that, you are not helping.
Your "advice" is utterly worthless to anybody that are trying to learn.

>>4642493
And how shall i do that?
Without a reference or any drawing to copy for the other angle??
Because, as i said, and as i claimed, copying only teach you the skills of being a copy machine.
And you are asking me to draw the rest of the fucking owl now.
>Hurr Durr Draw front face
>Hurr Durr Draw side face
>Hurr Durr Now you can draw any angle
I assume you're worse than underage, probably a toddler mind stuck in an overage boomer if all you can do are giving out shitty advice and just insulting others.

>>4642483
You shouldn't get this salty on 4chan, it's not worth it.
Of course, being all alone on your art journey is annoying and demotivating, but insulting others to give you good advice is really not an 'elegant' way of doing it.

>>4642502
You're the dude drawing from your imagination and you can't even draw something from another angle using your imagination? Also yea its 4chan, get over it bitch.

>>4642353
i'll have to look closer

>>4642502
Ok sperglord, retards like you are the reason why no one takes this general seriously anymore. Everytime you are given advice. all you do is throw excuse after excuse, and you wonder why no one helps you. Fuck off

He wants to be spoonfed, he wont even pick up a book for 15 minutes.

>>4642420
>>4642483
>>4642496
>>4642502

ahaahahahahahahah jesus christ dude

>>4642496
No, based on /asg/, you shouldn't draw your eyes normally.
Skip it, skip it all to hell.
>Go back to loomis, go back to drawing boxes.
>Grind fundamental
>And then learn from other artists drawings.
Yes, that's the exact advice repeated again and again here.
No, i won't give you more details.
Take the 3 sentences, and you should learn.
You're not stupid, are you? anon.

See how frustrating and unhelpful that was?

>>4642503
Yeah, you're right.
I will just ignore them.
After all, they are not here to get their mind changed.
They are here to argue and wanted the last word.
I will give it to them.
Good Day sir.

>>4642509
>Go copy this face
>Ok, now draw other angle
>What do you mean you never draw that angle before? I don't care!
>No, you're doing it wrong, you shouldn't draw other angle, you should copy this face
Rinse and repeat.
Like pottery.

>>4642521
keep giving shitty advice is the exact reason why nobody take this general seriously anymore.
But keep defending your shitty behavior, make this place shittier, not like anybody cared.

>>4642525
He's scared

>>4642529
>>Go copy this face
>>Ok, now draw other angle
>>What do you mean you never draw that angle before? I don't care!
>>No, you're doing it wrong, you shouldn't draw other angle, you should copy this face
>Rinse and repeat.
>Like pottery.
Nice, making shit up, you are just a shitposter.

>>4642529
You spend more time shitposting than you do on your own drawings or even learning how to draw, just think about that.

>>4642527
>.
>>4642527
Im not the dude getting mad, Im just tryina help a dumb nigga.

i must have some learning disability

How would you improve on this?

Yo wassup GSKun I fixed u thingie

>>4642529
Dude I told you what to look for, Line weight and subtlety. I gave you details, I did tell you what everyone else has told you to (Because its literally the only way, you fuck.) But I did tell you on 'why' that should be important.

Besides, I even told you to draw them in a way that 'you' like drawing eyes. Or anything else for that matter. You get bent out of shape really easy.

If you were my kid, I just wouldn't let you draw. It something that clearly inst enjoyable for you, so why the fuck do it?

I draw because I like to see what I can do. If I am unhappy with what I have (and often most are) then I want to try and recreate that and do better the next time. All because it is fun.

If this isn't fun for you, then stop. You're not going to make a career out of it if you straight up hate yourself and everyone involved with it.

You're the same kind of dude who plays Counter-Strike the wrong way, and then gets mad at everyone else telling them how to play the game correctly. Won't go into an Aim map and practice their aim for hours. Won't watch how Pro-Players play the game. Don't know smoke spots. Doesn't move right. You're the same person.

If you don't enjoy what you're doing, Stop. Fag.

Also the language you use to "get one over on people" is fucking embarrassing.

You're probably the kid in elementary that called kids who bullied them "Imbeciles" to feel smart.

Cringe.

>>4642529
Go post in vent and complain “why is drawing so hard?!?!”or “no one wants to help me”. That’s the only thing you’re good at, kek.

>>4642563
The drawing looks dirty, like as if you couldn't erase the pencil properly. But this is digital, right?

>>4642572
Bitch don't kill my vibe, bitch don't kill my vibe, don't kill my vibe. I can feel your energy from two planets away I got my drink I got my music I would share it by today I'm yelling BITCH DON'T KILL MY VIBE, bitch don't kill my vibe, bitch don't kill my vibe.

I am a sinner.
Who's probably gonna sin again, Lord forgive. Lord forgive, things I don't understand. Sometimes I need to be alone, bitch don't kill my vibe, bitch don't kill my vibe.

>>4641320
>aib
not a thing, he made that up

now we draw, bitches

any tips on getting a style similar to late 80s-early 2000s (before digital took over) aesthetic? i know there is not one just style but any tips to help make my life easier when I'm studying it?

Sorry guys. I am with Santa, who's probably gonna sin again. Lord forgive, Lord forgive. Things he don't understand, sometimes he needs to be alone, BITCH DON'T KILL HIS VIBE, BITCH DON'T KILL HIS VIBE.

This guy is a genuine nutcase

>>4642644
Bitch don't kill his vibe.

just draw

yikes

>>4642652
sorry, purin it's what I must do

why is it yik yak

>>4642563
Those folds don't look right

>>4642644
Don't worry about it.

Bored artist just wandered into this thread. Guess i'll blog about my thoughts.

Seems there are a lot of frustrated beginners in here. I'm seeing a lot of anger towards a perceived lack of ability and direction. I have a lot of advice to give on this topic. My first few months of learning to draw were very similar. I would practice and study for hours and be disappointed with my results. "Am I going to suck this badly for YEARS until I can draw what I really want to draw?" I would think to myself.

I would recall back to my school days where I would draw constantly. Any class I was in I would be ignoring the lesson and drawing on the side of my homework, or on a blank sheet of lined paper. I suspect many if not all of you have similar experiences. There was no thought in my head about whether the drawing was "good" or not. I wasn't worried about the time efficiency, or my rate of improvement. I remember one time I drew a cartoon bean with googly eyes and a hat. Then I drew another who was "from space". After a few weeks of drawing in class I had over 100 themed beans. They each had names. Somehow my parents found them and thought it was awesome. I was embarrassed. I remember my mom saying "Holy crap, you have so many of them! You should make a book!" I didn't really care how many I had. My only takeaway from the experience was the silent enjoyment of coming up with an idea and putting it on paper.

contd

>>4642577
I do everything on line layer, I can't be assed to make a new layer and go over my drawing again for the lineart
>>4642686
Yeah I know i sort of have the basics of folds like pull and pinch and then just sort of guess how it looks.
Are there any good guides on folds?

>>4642713
So why, then, did I grow up to dread drawing? I wanted to recognize all the habits I had developed that were not serving me. The biggest and most dominant problem, in my opinion, was comparison. Looking at a peer's work and seeing how incredible it was. Thinking to myself "Wow, this guy's been drawing for 16 years and I've only been drawing for 4. What the fuck, I'll be a grandpa before I can draw like that" What purpose does this line of thinking serve? This fear-based line of thinking was only causing me anxiety. What does it matter what anyone else does? Truly, how does it impact me? The answer is: It doesn't. Only if I allow it.

The next thing I wanted to fix was focused on the "time efficiency". Getting good as fast as possible. Why is this important to me? Why am I focused on the end of the journey instead of the journey itself? Why did I want to skip all the way to Oz, ignoring the meeting of Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Cowardly Lion? That's the meat of the damn story, not the clicking of the ruby shoes.

To wrap up all this rambling. I think, like me, too many of you are filling your brains with fear and anxiety. These things are really dampening your experience with art. I think it's important to take a few slow, deep breaths when we are frustrated and remind ourselves what truly matters. Perspective is everything, it can change our entire outlook on things. Remember that you enjoy drawing. Does it look good? Who cares. Every time you say or think "Hey that looks good/crappy", stop yourself and actually say "It doesn't matter how good it looks". Remember that studies and practice should be done in moderation. Their only purpose is to learn tips and tricks to improve your skills. Make drawing your hobby again, not your 2nd day job that depends on how well you can draw and how fast you can improve.

>>4642713
>I would recall back to my school days where

>>4642717
So in other words stop being a chicken shit and just draw

>>4642717
Now, imagine that your parents tell you that the beans look like shit without proper form, you should go read Loomis.
You need to feel the form.

I don't think people are dread of drawings here.
Sketchfag is still sketching despite all the hatred and insults towards him.
What people are fed up of is the constant shit on and useless advice.

>>4642713
>school story
I never doodled or drew in school. I didn't pick up drawing until mid-late 20s.

But I agree with what you're saying. People worry too much about how they'll be judged. It's good to have a discerning eye and be able to pick apart your work, but other people can always see things you can't in your work to also improve upon. We tend to worry too much about a perceived judgement that others will think poorly of us when it's all in our heads. This goes for everything, especially social.

>>4642420
Wtf random ass lines are those dude? Lmao

>>4642563
The face is nice
Go learn how to draw the body

>>4642651
I think you're getting it bro

>>4642717
>Be happy that you are shit and that you just cannot draw what you want how you want
>Be happy with the lack of meaningful progress, stay in your comfort zone!
>Also be happy that everyone is just better and you are pretty much the worst
I have to agree with >>4642739 what people are fed up of is the constant shit on and useless advice like yours, the only thing you're saying is "bee urself"

>>4642865
Fuck you

>>4642713
>>4642717
Pyw before you talk shit like you know anything you colossal faggot

>>4642867
No. Fuck you. Recognizing you have a problem is cornerstone to coming up with solutions. You're just offering malicious and harmful advice to people probably intentionally. Ignoring everything and staying in a comfort zone with your ears shut isn't conducive to solving anything and the problem will always be there rearing its head no matter how hard you ignore it. A real advice would be to build the habit of drawing, focusing on tackling your challenges ONE at a time and pairing that with working on pieces. Stupid shit like yours is how people end up 10 years down the road of time wasted wondering where did everything went wrong.

>>4642880
>Ignoring everything and staying in a comfort zone with your ears shut isn't conducive to solving anything
Literally what that autist was doing earlier.

>>4642880
Maybe don't make 4chan your "mommy" and you won't be questioning your life choices in 10 years.

>>4642891
Stop projecting

I like how people come here as if we have some sort of secret knowledge so they can get better faster than anyone else, then when everyone tells them to work on fundamentals or specific areas, they just seethe and then project their problems onto others. Like this guy above, literally complaining that advice he got on 4chan 10 years ago ruined his life.

>>4642880
Ironic

>>4642898
You might be the one who needs to stop projecting friend. Go back and read your own posts.

>>4642901
You got that wrong, you're assuming I'm the raging autist

>>4642899
I think its more telling that I just gave that exact same advice (make an habit of working diligently, focus on one thing at a time and exercise the knowledge) and the only part that resonated with everyone apparently was them self inserting into decades of failure

>>4642928
You gave nonadvice, nobody novice knows what to do with that information, good job.

holy shit this general is terrible

stop being mad and board on 4chan

>>4642939
too busy drawing, first time checking in a few hours and it's the mentally disabled wasting their time. based crabs crabbing themselves so less competition

>>4642939
Worst general in /ic/. All the things that made this place a shithole form in one general.

>>4642954
Weaboo is mentally ill.
Water is wet.
What's new?

>>4642164
thanks! following back!

>>4642167 >>4642264
I think I'm still in asg discord last I checked but I don't use discord that often nowadays

>>4642654
I'm not him tho my last post is >>4641345 >>4641348 and the thread got so convoluted idk who's refering to who anymore. I understand if the mogeko demo and notes I did is confusing but I hope other anons find it helpful. Dont give up anon

>>4642954
there's not a single good thread that isn't the artbook thread. people try to have good threads but you can't beat the low effort mentally ill posting that completely derails topics. thankfully mods and jannies don't exist here or this might be productive board.

>>4642978
We need more negroes style my Twitter attention threads

>>4641115
if you don't have talent just quit now lmao

>come to /asg/
>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

you guys confirmed the effect bruh
>>4638393

>>4642978
/ic/ is a containment board for broken toys

visiting /asg/ and the regulars come out to greet you

>>4642899
literally doing anything is better than coming here and reading the advice LMAO. i think bashing your head in with a hammer is only slightly dumber than coming to /asg/ for advice

>>4640844
>>4640882
Holy crap, these are insanely good. Can I ask you something? How did you master the loomis construction style for anime? I've been grinding away at it for about 2 months and while my lines are getting cleaner, I still don't feel like my construction is "right". Like when I look at yours it looks absolutely perfect. How did you master it? Did you use really good refs or just put in the hours?

pic related is the type of style I just can't seem to get loomis to work for and I know it's user error

>>4643091
PYW

>>4643093
I don't want a critique, I want his/her story/journey.

>>4643099
you've been grinding it for 2 months, he's been grinding it for 2 + x (months/years)
it's that simple

>>4643091
Dumb impressionable beg, just keep drawing. 2 months is nothing

>>4643099
they've said it multiple times. they've been drawing for something like 10 years. drawing takes time.

started to do one-page comics, they're extremely useful. it shows me how many things i suck at and need to practice, i.e. backgrounds, male characters, and keeping forms consistent, as well as actually conveying a narrative. it's easy to get stuck in a loop of doing studies in a vacuum

>>4643129
i was prompted by this little bit at the end of this interview where this author says to actually start drawing manga if that's what you want to do. i can attest it is 1000% true

Is it better to try and take real women and convert them into anime or just copy anime girls?

>>4643139
no rules only tools (TM)

>>4643139
Get poses from real people, exaggerate their pose and apply anime face

From imagination. Last one was too.

>>4643166
cutie

hey gray sketch bro.. can you please put on a trip, i love your posts so much

>>4642972
thanks for the link to the brushes btw, having a lot of fun playing with them

>>4642859
Could you tell me where i messed up on the body?

>>4643199
>You'll never be this talented
Feels terrible, lot of hard work and no payoff

what brush to achieve coloring like this?
seems like every popular piece uses similar brushes, but i cant recreate it in csp
the watercolor brush is the best thing i have but it sucks, and the pens are too solid

>>4643254
Yeah sucks that you never will

>>4643255
Something like hard round and soft round in Photoshop.

whats a good sketching brush on CSP? I use the dark pencil but I want to find something better.

>>4643267
I like using the dense watercolor brush

>>4643255
did a quick study with only hard round (pressure opacity) and got *mostly* there

>>4643279
csp doesn't have that brush unfortunately
but that's pretty close

I'll have to draw and copy more

>>4643285
i just made the brush in csp

>>4643255
Hard and soft round, CSP equivalent being the smooth watercolor or modifying the airbrush to be like that

>>4643285
make your own, retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZbJYAVmghk&t=1m

>>4643293
>>4643296
based. thanks

>>4643259
>Threads went from /beg/s lashing against each other to actual good artists making fun of the frustration of /beg/s
These threads always manage to get worse somehow.

>>4643306
what makes you think he's a good artist, and not just a sane /beg/ who understands that talent doesn't determine everything?

>>4643312
That's such a talented person thing to say.
Oh no, I'm not talented, I'm just hard working.
And effectively shit on people that are as hard working but still never made it.

>>4643312
>talent doesn't determine everything
It doesn't. But its always sad seeing actual talented artists dismiss the hard work of others just because it was much easier for them and can't imagine someone might be putting the same or even more work into something without improving at the same level so they must surely be lazy and what that might be terribly frustrating.

>>4643324
>sad seeing actual talented artists dismiss the hard work of others
who's doing this?

>>4643306
it's begs dragging other begs down

trying to figure out this construction stuff for anime, I'm guessing I made her legs too short? and hips too narrow?

>>4643331
It's always the goddamn crabs.
If you see anybody now posting their work, you know they are crabs.
Just ignore them.

>>4643357
I meant not* posting their works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2C9IIkC8Ig

>finished their rough sketch and coloring in 2-3 minutes with no construction
>rest of the video is just them doing lineart and properly coloring it
>13 hours in total

>>4643417
the procreate part is at least 8x speed

>>4643349
Humerus too long and femur too short
Head could be a bit smaller too
Face is weird

>>4643306
>/beg/ seething at reality
What do you want, a pat in your butt? If you think you'll never make it you won't. Don't fish for sympathy here.

>>4643306
Theres a /vent/ thread if you want to cry about drawing, shut the fuck up and draw already

>>4643199
>that perfect sphere
I take so much ctrl+z before I can create that.
Are you able to draw that perfectly from the get go?

>>4643417
>with no construction
NOOOOO!!!! YOU NEED LOOMIS!!! YOU NEED CONSTRUCTION!!!!

>>4643484
It's very clearly an ellipse, and it doesn't matter as long as it's a good landmark

>>4643484
haha no my hand skill on digital isn't that good. in addition to being too wide, it also came out a little lopsided at first, so i balanced it out with free transform. my dexterity takes a big hit when i draw on a screenless tablet so i use digital tools to save myself from undoing and redrawing over and over

>>4643507
I'm just talking purely on the ellipse. But yeah as long as it's a good landmark it's good.

>>4643519
I'm trying to limit myself from using the tool lol but I might use it in the future.

What's your opinions on using these as reference for drawings?
for /beg/ levels of course.

>>4643628
It's like design doll irl. I'd use it for interesting angles and poses if I have one

>>4643628
Not good unless you're well beyond /beg/ levels

>>4643497
loomer

>>4643628
Awful. You'd want your poses to be dynamic and "stretchy" / exaggerated, these would make it rigid.
Also, you are looking at it with a constant field of view, so foreshortening and lens distortion isn't that easy unless you're taking pictures from a camera. Design Doll does have a solution for this

>>4642563
The anatomy and pose can use work. The hands are a big one and the pose is quite stiff. I think the eyes and face are lovely tho

>>4643129
While i am not a fan of said content, it looks like it will have its appeal. A kind of charm if you will, but keep practicing!

>>4643497
Yea, you’ll never reach that level of skill. No matter how hard you’ll try.

>>4643719
How would I make it less stiff?
If forward facing.

>>4643628
I bought one, its stiff and hard to pose. It has a bunch of anatomy problems and mine came with a defect, the right hip sticks out.
Dont buy it or if you do dont pay 30 bucks for a cheap one.

>>4643722
thank you!

>>4643719
Wait did I mess up on the hands? I thought I did them well.

>>4643856
This is why you can't improve. This is why you keep asking stupid questions.
You're blind and don't know it's wrong.
Go study some more.

My waifu and the reference

>>4643929
Need more skull amongst many other things

>>4643929
her hair is way shorter and her face to round like a gook

>>4643417
I love it when the retards brings a video like this up thinking it’s some gotcha moment, when that’s not the case. The guy drawing is skilled enough, so he doesn’t need to use construction. Most of the retards complaining can’t draw for shit. This autist here is a great example >>4642420

Why there are so many GMI anons in this thread. (no, not you, greysketch tranny) .. I hate this.

>>4644069
There's only 3 (including me), and obviously so they (we) can give fake advice, to destroy our future competition.

>>4643242
Everything is a bit off
It's just improving from this point

>>4644080
As if anyone would take anything you say seriously when you post those "drawings"

>>4640807
Kind of looks like Angelise from Cross Ange

>>4644159
>he thinks practice is supposed to look good

If anyone who knew fundies, looked at my drawings, he would think I was god's chosen one.

>>4644167
nice cope

>>4644167
your fundies are fine dude move on and try something else

Someone please tell me how to filter greysketch tranny.

>>4644209
seethe

new thread
>>4644232
>>4644232
>>4644232

>>4641267
Haven't drawn much in months. Got inspired by your latest submission and did a study of it.

>>4643290
this looks slightly better than your older work