/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

hello, anything to change?

Did i go overboard with the back?

Tried to a quick sketch of my pregnant wife. Anything I should work on besides line confidence?

Sketching

>>4577758
/beg/ here but I think the head is a bit too big?

>>4577764
looks fun, anon, /beg/ here but ill tell you that the proportions are kinda off. Im not sure if its just the style but studying anatomy really does help

>>4577772
I do
Idk these are more cartoon based like the thicc girl I was thinking my life as a teenage robot

>>4577772
>>4577768
If you are /beg/, do not give advice- seek it.

>>4577758
I'm /beg/ but I'm glad you've finally decided to draw older girls

>>4577775
that one looks good tho, keep it up!

Can anyone point out what’s wrong? It looks wonky but I’m not sure why. I think the eyes are uneven and the mouth is a bit low lips might be kinda scuffed too.

>>4577882
Ref
Also if anyone could point me towards a good guide to hair especially light colored hair that would be appreciated

I asked about a drafting table in the last thread. I don't intend to quite do any literal architectural drafts and think something like pic related should manage, even without the parallel bars.
Also captcha has been making me do 10 things to post and I just want hiroshimoot to know I will NEVER buy a pass.

>>4577882
I'm a lowly /beg/ but what's wrong with this is symbol drawing, I guess you just can't stress this enough in /beg/ threads. I think you have ability to do better but you need some type of reference as in construction in order to make your work more truthful to the original. Don't give up midway drawing something you should've finished the hair even if you struggle with it.
Look for Proko's hair drawing tutorial on yuvutu because you're basically drawing spaghetti instead of hair. But I'm /beg/ what the fuck do I know, just don't waste your potential.

>>4577882
Please learn visual measuring. And also try drawing some shit upside down while you're at it, break the symbol drawing habit.

Don't be so rough with pencil-san either, build it up slowly

>>4577898
Looks fine to me. As long as it stays put when you set the angle you're fine.

>>4577902
>>4577906
Which parts are symbol drawing?

>>4577768
>anime forum
>complaining about big heads

>>4577763
I'm not going to say anything negative about your pregnant wife

>>4577898
Out of curiosity, do people with tablets put the tablet on one of these? How do people angle their tablets, or do they not?

>>4577763
Proportions. Her neck seems really big? And you're too afraid to draw through forms. It's okay to draw pieces through others and then erase out what you don't need afterwards.

Also, congrats on your wife's son, do you know who the father is?

>>4577961
Yeah I had the same thought.

>>4577965
Screenless tablet? Fuck no, only if it's flat and at that point why bother with that shit, put it on a normal desk.

Screen tablet? Fuck no, I have an adjustable stand and I'm not going to risk breaking this expensive shit because I like to have it at steep angles.

>>4577936
Yeah I don't know why they said that

>>4577829
yup that's a boy

>>4577936
Eyes, face, lips, nose, hair... Just because everything is seemingly in place it doesn't mean it isn't symbol drawing, if you fail to recognize that those are Adam Lanza's eyes, Michael Jackson's nose and spaghetti hair then you're worse than I actually thought. Besides if that was traced then scratch everything I said about potential and go fuck yourself.

>>4577975
Because everytime someone does something it's SYMBOL DRAWING lol

>>4577979
it's not traced? I took my drawing and overlayed it over the reference.

I'm especially confused how the nose is symbol drawing because I basically only shaded values

>>4577975
>>4577981
the /beg/ cope it's real ITT

>>4577984
why do you think shading values is not symbol drawing?

you didn't shade the values that are in the ref. that's why it's symbol drawing.

>>4577882
when their irises are fully visible, it makes them look like they're glaring. Note how in the photo, the top of her irises are concealed by her eyelid.

>>4577789
Retard. Even based Arnold recognizes giving advice is good, just point out youre beg

>>4577936
The facial features, the eyes the nose and the mouth, are symbol drawing. Doesn't matter that they are kind of in the right place, you're expressing forms with lines and shapes only, when you should be focusing more on tones and forms. Shape is a good starting point but you don't know how to get past it and it's hindering you. They're nowhere near as accurate as you think they are.

You also symbol-drew the hair, it's all stringy strands from top to bottom rather than patches of tone that show you know what you're doing. Google James gurney ribbon method, you'll thank yourself for it and stop drawing gollum hair on your bitches.

If you want to fight me on this and won't admit you're doing it that's fine, see if I care.

The point on visual measuring especially stands with that overlay, holy shit my man you need to learn sight-size or visual measuring or something to remedy that.

>>4577741
I like filling pages with this shit (I usually just do pages of one type of fundie, but that's no fun to post in this thread). How do I work at it in a way that I can be sure that it's being beneficial? I feel like when it comes to doing an actual illustration I forget literally everything.

How do you draw character's face from below?
I have a hard time drawing faces in general, but don't know how to do it consistently. It takes me forever.

>>4577991
just save this on your desktop and study it. then also refer to it when you're working. no shame in ref.

>>4577992
It's like you're designing dick cages for cucks

>>4577989
ngmi

>>4577997
Maybe that's exactly what I'm doing. YoU dOn'T kNoW mE!

>>4577984
You're either can't see it or you're in denial because this traces the nose and eyes position or you just might be incredibly stupid because I've pointed you out all of the flaws but you still think your drawing looks just like the original. Why ask for critique when you're not going to take criticism well?

>>4577987
Are my eyes broken? It looks close enough to me honestly

>>4577990
Please don’t take this the wrong way I really appreciate the advice. From what I can see from overlaying the reference, the only thing I really missed on is the chin and a bit of the mouth so could you please point out why you think the measuring is off.

>>4577974
Aren't some tablets made to be at angles? I think there's a Microsoft commercial screen tablet that has built in angle adjusting.

>>4578006
Bro I'm honestly not coming at you, but you need to stop being defensive. It's okay that you're looking at these noses and thinking "I copied it exactly! What did I do wrong??" because we're all /beg/s here, but if you want a list of the things you missed:

a) the transition between the highlight in the middle and the shadows on the side ensure that the nose pops out
b) the shading underneath the ball of the nose (the two small strokes) make it pop further
c) the nostril holes aren't flat circles. they wrap around and underneath.
d) the shading underneath the nostrils makes them pop out, but disappears on the sides, giving them shape

English isn't my first language so I don't know the names for all these parts, sorry.

>>4577997
It's like your designing bick wages for mucks

Draw them wings

>>4578067
Yup that's Oro.

Is it looks fine?
I copied design and head.from lolikun

>>4578091
Good enough for a manga

Started sketching a couple days ago
only got an HB 2 pencil and an eraser

>>4578130
Looks good. If I had to pick one thing to improve, it would be the splotchy shading.
Another thing would be more contrast, but I'm not sure how much you can do with your tools.

20th day of learning. First try at foreshortening. Shit's hard as fuck. Spent 1hour in this, it's a KtD exercise. Should I tryhard on those until I reach my limit or are shitty results that apply the principles good enough?

>>4578153
ref

I don't know why but my colors look fine on my drawing tablet but look terrible when i post it.
I don't know why.

Anyway please critique

>>4578153
>>4578160
Niggas need Vilppu.

>>4578185
could you at least tell me where i mess up, so i can fix it?

>>4578185
Maybe after I finish KtD.

>>4578091
Are her hips supposed to be pointing in a different direction than the upper body?

Thighs look too thin. Other than that it's good.

>>4578186
Head is to narrow and elongated. The width from elbow to elbow to narrow. Legs are to big. Thighs to big, angle of shin wrong, doesn’t taper toward foot.

>>4578153
>Should I tryhard on those until I reach my limit
No you shouldn't keep polishing a turd. Figure out what you fucked up and move on, paying attention to what you know are your weak points

>>4578185
The nigga needs the villpu yo
shitting out crazy rhymes nd shit

>>4578160
I'm a /beg/ but right off the bat I feel like the hair stretch on her right temple is too short and collides with her spiky bangs, the continous line from the right clavicle makes it look like as if were part of her shoulder muscle.
Her left arm looks rather stiff (can't put my finger on what it is, it could be because the lines are symmetrical? I'm not sure but there's something about it that looks off.) Her left knee looks like as if it was squashed and the pull from her dress looks out of place given the way you tried to connect the line to her torso.

gib feedback

https://i.4cdn.org/ic/1589530208746.jpg

>>4578197
Thank God. I was starting to get anxious thinking I wasn't trying hard enough.

When do we get to draw animu

>>4578160
>I don't know why but my colors look fine on my drawing tablet but look terrible when i post it.
>I don't know why.
Graphics settings between different devices can be way off, also the overall display quality of different devices can also be quite different. This can heavily depends on the devices themselve, graphic tablets usually are better than generic monitors. But the age and condition of the device also has an influence on them. You coud try recalibrating your other device, in studios for example they do this regularly monthly to keep every computer's display in sync.

>>4578207
>inordertodrawthisyoumustfirstneedtodrawthis.jpg

Reposting in new thread. I know my rendering is bad but I wanted to try anyways

>>4578214
I think the irises are a bit too small.

>>4578199
thank you

I feel like my faces from imagination are improving a lot, I feel more confident and draw a lot bigger than before. Drawing skulls has paid off

>>4577741
Is my pose right you guys?

>>4578393
Both the ribcage and the pelvis needs to be more turned away from us.

>>4578403
True, thanks!!

>>4578265
How did you learn faces? That looks like what I want to draw.

pls help

>>4578515
Cloth looks good. Nice folds.
His left thigh seems short, but maybe it's the angle.
Torso seems thick compared to his legs, but again, I don't know what the reference material looked like.
Sketchy lines are always a no-no.
Next time try to flesh it out more. It's pretty simple as it is, so it's hard to offer anything more than basic advice.

>>4578538
Thanks, man, your advice helps a lot. I honestly dont know where to start

hehe

>>4578546
> I honestly dont know where to start
basic things like construction and proportions

>>4577829
Are you the gray-kun? I think you should give up.

>>4578515
Dorian Iten exercise?

pls help

>>4578591
ref

>>4578393
You forgot to model the cock

>>4578573
Nah. He's too humble to be copefag

>>4578564
Is this you file.png kun?

>>4578564
very fucking good

>>4578591
You're on the right track. Flesh it out more.

>>4578564
very postable

how do I face construction???

>>4578660
Loomis ?

>>4578662
Is >>4578591 loomis?

i still have a lot to do but i barely draw and when i do its on my ipad in IBIS paint, let me know what i can do to make it better. its going to be my knight and goblin ocs

>>4577995
damn this is good. anyone got this for the heads turning all the way around?

whats a good starting resource to learn how to digitally paint colors and shit?

>>4578153
Don't really focus on shading. IF you're doing a foreshortening study then only focus on foreshortening. Especially if it's your 20th day. The legs and arms are no good, you did not capture foreshortening at all. Maybe try with boxes first and then try again with this ref. Limit yourself on time since you're new and just trying to learn a concept.

Two key things to take away from this drawing:
1. Overlapping. The arms and legs, especially the arms. Foreshortening often uses overlapping. You separated the arms from the shoulders. No no.
2: Your foreshortening practice did not succeed. Try again with something simpler.

>>4578160
stop tracing and wondering why your art is garbage.

>>4578691
nice.

battle sequence

>>4578683
Thank you brother. This is the kind of response that makes me put up with all the bullshit of this board. I'll try my best tomorrow.

how'd I do?

>>4578685
I didnt trace

this isn't supposed to look exaggerated or cartoony, just trying to make a buff guy (really fit but not bodybuilder), focusing more on learning shoulders than anything else right now but any help is great

>>4578573
I am not whoever that is

>>4578884
Sorry mate. He's just a faggot.

Can I get some critiques on my figure drawing, line work, shading?

here's the reference

trying dynamic poses, im still afraid to draw faces...

>>4578916
reference from last thread

how do I get into painting and color? what brush do I use wtf

TRYING MARKERS OUT

>>4578808
Disgusted Obama? You did alright, except for the ear and neck.

Gonna draw a headshot without a reference for the first time wish me luck bros

>>4578672
Go to sketchhub and make your own head reference folder.

>>4578029
That was helpful thanks
I watched proko and tried to fix the hair, it was hard for me to place the halftones and highlights

>>4578393
what are you using for this? I know it's blender but is there a file I can get that has this rig set up already?

Here's a rough draft of my new project, feel free to critique anything and give advice.

I wanna make a ronin kinda dude wearing a hannya half-mask. I don't know what to make him stand on yet, so ideas are appreciated as well.

>>4577588
late reply but heres the ref
i guess its beacause the lower jaw in childs is still small so the chin looks more pointy, ill fix other things

>>4577971
No, there's a couple options as many bulls come over, but I'm not allowed out when they're over. I just have to stay on my switch. But thank you for the critique

I'm drawing with charcoal (conte) and the tip regularly hardens like crazy and feels like a rock and then softens again if i rub the part that hardened a bit on the paper. Other charcoals i've tried don't do this, or at least not often enough to be a problem.
Is there something i'm doing that causes this, is conte just shit, or did i get a bad batch of pencils?

>>4579077
big think

>>4579083
I was trying to make her head tilt down, is this slightly better?

>>4577741
tfw my art is used as thread pic but has not received any critique in the past two /beg/ threads

i suck balls drawing

>>4579093
was this supposed to be a view from below pic?

>>4579093
see
>>4577995

>>4579120
No her head is tilted down slightly
This is the character btw.

is this bad?

>>4578928
pelase someond help me PLEASE

>>4579159
You did a good job of communicating his down syndrome through his facial features

>>4579104
All beginnings are difficult.
That said, can I get a full view of no. 5, 6 and 7, please?

>>4579185
well now I just feel bad

>>4578490
I memorized the shape of the male and female skull, and also practiced drawing lots of faces from different angles. I full several sheets every day. Sometimes female, sometimes male, sometimes young or old... I'm drawing lots of faces quickly, like less than 5 or 10 seconds each for my practice. I've never read Loomis or any book on drawing faces and it's working for me. The face I posted was drawn without a Loomis type of sketch first, I just drew it

Also I'm reading comics and manga and thinking about how they draw faces. I'm basically dreaming about this stuff by now

>>4577898

>>4578214
S-S-S-SOUL

>>4579233
does this actually work? if you see this i guess yes

>>4579258
Also if you get one of very slow fading ones, just click on 3 correct tiles -> click submit -> click refresh -> click on the captcha again
It will be automatically be solved.
But this doesn't always work, I didn't find the perfect setup for it yet. It also works for non-fading ones but the setup is different.
FUCK google.

today's daily drawing. shading came out looking dirty. Pleased with my progress on upper-body though.

Should I learn to copy a reference into a photo realistic drawing before anything?

>>4579188
here it is

eh

can somebody help me with this pose?
It's kinda tricky.
Could you possibly redline, or tell me where it's off?
Thank you

>>4579326
you gave her tits like dogs have, one in front of the other

>>4579334
Isn't gravity acting on it?
How should it look?

>>4579338
I edited a bit on the right, i was reffering to the perspective of the tits

>>4579353
Thank you so much

>>4579179
Just do it, try things look at youtube videos, do it badly so you can do it better next time.

Trying to draw for the past few days has been a soul draining experience.

>>4579367
dopamine detox bro, that shit is miraculous, leave your high dopamine activity at the end of the day or the weekends

>>4577758
Why do you draw the butt crack like that
It looks like a 3rd grader drew it on someone else's art because they thought it was funny

>>4579395

what exercises do you do for a warm up and for how long?

>>4579434
jumping jacks, 5min, while thinking on what to draw and how to draw it

>>4579439
mostly because i can't think while drawing, my brain is too weak, so i prepare before

>>4578978
how did it turn out?
i drew someone without a reference a few weeks ago and it wasn't anything like her. was just symbol drawing the features

>>4579094
Other than the line art being too thick it looks pretty alright for me

>>4579252

Are you saying there's no soul? Does that mean the drawing is too mechanical?

>>4579448
it was awful, i deleted it. i want to go back

>Buy Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
>Book literally says all I need is some paper and a pencil
>One chapter later
>''We no longer attempt to teach students who don't have a viewfinder, a wallmirror and a drawing board''
Kinda pissed off, especially since it's too late where I live to just go and buy all this shit.

>>4579401
if it's any consolation, I like the buttcrack famo. subscribed.

>>4579483
Anon, I...

As a beginner I'm trying to cover multiple bases at once so I don't get bored. Gesture, mannequinizing, etc, this is a HORRIBLE first try and idk...seems like trying to make a 3D mannequin is impossible for me. Even when drawing cubes/that kind of shit. Any ideas aside from "keep at it".

>>4579159
is that a self-portrait? i like your drawing and i hope you don't get discouraged by that other comment. can't offer any critique though since i'm a /beg/ myself

As a beginner I'm trying to cover multiple bases at once so I don't get bored. Gesture, mannequinizing, etc, this is a HORRIBLE first try and idk...seems like trying to make a 3D mannequin is impossible for me. Even when drawing cubes/that kind of shit. Any ideas aside from "keep at it"

>>4579483
Just started reading that book the other day. I got a bit discouraged by the amount of tools, plus everything is closed around here. Then I just took pictures of whatever it wants me to draw, resized, cropped accordingly, and shopped a crosshair in to help me with relationships.

>>4579481
mine was awful too. i think that's expected

i heard a good way to learn is to draw without a reference, then check the reference, note your mistakes and try to draw without the reference again (repeating the process as needed). haven't done that myself as i don't feel the need to learn drawing without a reference yet

I can't get out of my comfort zone, i wanna git god and do some loomis faces aaaaaaaa

>>4579483
>buy
Anon...i...

>>4579496
proportion, also, since you are at the very very beginning i recommend you to learn to measure with pencil.
use a frontal standing pose and or t-pose for now until you get the proportions right

>>4579528

Yeah, I was trying to measure via the head method with his. Didn't work out so well probably lol

>>4579395
>>4579484
I thought it looked like that cause the underwear pressed down on it.
Is it meant to look different?

>>4579483
yeah didn't like that list of materials either

luckily, i had an old picture frame laying around so i used the glass from it for the picture plane. made a viewfinder from two sheets of paper and taped it to the glass. using some book for the drawing board. and i don't have a graphite stick, but i find drawing with a side of a soft pencil works just fine

>>4579326
I’m a beg but I think she kind of looks like a dog in that position
I think if you made her arms shorter and the spine bend more the pose would be more believable

Image I used for reference

>>4579579

Image I used for reference

>>4579496

Reference image I used

>>4579496

Woops, here's the one I meant

do you people do this for fun or are you trying to get somewhere with this

I just want to draw anime but there's always the voice in my head telling me not to symbol draw.

>>4579612
I'm trying to get to professional level, sad I rarely get replies though >>4578880

>>4579626
If your work does not get any criticisms, it may be that most people here aren't at a skill level where they are qualified to critique your work.

>>4579612
yes

>>4579631
whats a good place for criticism, if you know any? I really need it because I can tell my stuff looks really off but not WHY...

>>4579614
you can draw anime without symbol drawing.
pic related is pure form. And it should be noted that there's nothing wrong with symbol drawing as long as you're doing it intentionally and incorporating it seamlessly into the rest of the shape you're drawing.

So I'm trying to practice speed drawing. My friend told me to just try putting a time limit on my drawing/sketching since I normally take about 2ish hours on a drawing, ignoring coloring/shading. He says that it's better to just draw 100 times to really get the shapes ingrained vs taking the time on bad drawings. Is that good advice? I've also been neglecting to draw the Loomis skeleton underneath when I do this, but that's because I usually just do chest up vs full body.

>>4579646
as long as you're not brainded drawing and the drawings have forms

>>4579638
Nowhere.
Places that use real names such as Facebook produces a hugbox environment where everyone is afraid to criticise each other in fear of being called an asshole.
Places that use rating systems such as Reddit are glorified popularity contests where people are only concerned about getting internet points, it's probably worse than Facebook because its social structure is on par with that of high school's.
Places that divide discussion into small groups such as Discord creates a cult-like mentality because of its small group size people are close together enough to start forming real human relations.
It's anonymous here, but that only creates an environment where there is zero consequences for shitposting. So it's your choice really.

>>4579645
>muh form
>muh symbol drawing
Quit it with the buzzwords, the example you've provided literally has a flounder's mouth stuck onto her, a mutilated hand with the index finger positioned way beyond her elbow, and a ear slapped onto the same height as her forehead.

>>4579662
bad anatomy is not the same as symbol drawing, anon. learn your terms.
symbol drawing is when you always draw a circle with a dot for an eye, regardless of the shape, form, or perspective of the head it is placed on..

>>4579656
do you think I could just post it in the /draw/ thread?

>>4579673
How is there form when her body unnaturally twists from facing you at the torso to being completely to the left by the point where it reaches her shoulders, not to mention the flat head+neck?

>>4579684
i don't know what your problem with the torso is, it's perfectly fine.
the head and neck are made of shapes, but they're just not shaded very much, like her leg or his arm. It's a stylistic choice, but you can still feel that there is a form.

>>4579094
im not sure what kind of crit you are looking for, anon. its a cute simple style, and looks passable for what it is. if we look at the arms, you are blocking view of the foreshortened sections with simple shapes. most of the torso is hidden behind a soft shaded fabric which gives little definition of the anatomy. her gesture looks a bit stiff too. part of drawing interesting things is tackling difficult views of complex objects. your drawing will only be as complicated as you make it.

>>4579655
Well, this isn't great, and I can identify many issues that I can fix digitally but I only gave myself about an hour to do this and that was including minor shading. Does this look okay for one of these speed sketches?

>>4579519
peak soul

I was told to post here. Uh, here's some of my stuff, hope you like it, give your thoughts please :)

>>4579750

>>4579750
loomis

>>4579754
what the fuck does that mean?

>>4579755
An artist whose techniques should be used, according to popular opinion by many on /ic/.

>>4579694
>literally muh style

>>4579763
you don't think flat shading is a style?

>>4579755
Please, even if you don't read loomis, use a reference. Understand what the human body looks like.

>>4579761
ok. He's saying I"m bad with faces then?

>>4579768
the photo your replying to is literally an alien. she has spring arms and shrek ears.

>>4579767
Of course not, because it looks flat. It's only acceptable in anime due to budget constraints.

>>4579777
Just use the "muh style" argument, everyone else here seems to be fine with it.

>>4579768
But I assume you where talking about my first picture where everyone's got noodley arms. Yeah, It isn't my est work, I just more liked the fact I was able to visualize alot of characters I had only ever wrote about in text form. >>4579753 is probably one of my better pictures.

>>4579781
there's nothing inherently wrong with a flat look. Makes the art easy on the eyes.

>>4579564
pffft I don't know bro i'm /beg/

>>4579787
Explain why "the drawing looks flat" is a common critique against /beg/ works, if there is nothing wrong with it.

>>4579159
Eyes look weird but the rest of the face looks good to me. I like it :)

>>4579798
i don't think it's worthy of critique by itself. It all depends on execution.
pic related has flat shading but it looks fucking awesome.

>>4579786
On the off chance that you aren't a troll, I am going to tell you point blank. You are bad. But, that's not a bad thing. You can get better, but you need to stop what you are doing right now. it feels bad for me to tell a fellow artist that they're bad, but sometimes it's that kick in the pants to decide to want to get better.
>>4579753
This looks better, Those arms are pretty good, but that torso isn't. it's too small for those amount of muscles. Like mentioned before, look through the Essentials and learn to draw a human body and use references for future drawings.

>>4579798
if you want to be stuck with flat drawing for your entire life then it's not a problem

>>4579807
So it is a bad thing all of a sudden? Don't even think about worming your way out of this one by saying you technically didn't say so explicitly.

>>4579806
he's been drawing all his life though, so how can he be bad? >>4579725

>>4579811
>On the off chance that you aren't a troll
Retard.

>>4579811
I mean, I've been drawing for 6 years and I'm still shit. He can still get better.

>>4579811
Bruh, yeah I'm not a beginner, as in I didn't just start drawing yesterday. I never said everything I did was perfect. I wouldn't be on a board dedicated to art criticism if i thought I didn't need to improve.

>>4579806
Why would you think I'm a troll? You say "stop what you're doing" what exactly do I need to stop?

>>4579801
I'm just fucking with you here. Truthfully I'm a bit sick and tired of conflicting feedback and a general sense of people shitposting out whatever buzzword that's popular. I can see that you genuinely enjoy art so I'd feel like shit if I didn't tell you my true intentions.

>>4579612
For fun since i am going to become an hero anyway
>>4579727
Thanks, that's really encouraging

>>4579820
I just thought you might be one since these were very low quality.I mean stop what you're doing as in, whatever your process is when you draw right now, it's likely not helping. It's clear to me at least that you want to improve, but if you don't learn the fundamental human body, you won't be able to improve. That's why as boring as it is, read at least some of loomis' books so you learn the skeleton underneath a body, proportions, muscles, etc, look at pictures of a body, etc. You don't need to be able to draw a perfect human body, but at least be able to learn why something is off. For example, if you look back at the werewolf one, abs and pecs are never ever perfect squares

>>4579626
>>4579631
>it may be that most people here aren't at a skill level where they are qualified to critique your work.
It may also be the exact opposite, in that your work could be so basic that it doesn't even qualify for the most rudimentary critique and unless you have a couple of autists screeching "not beg" or "/int/ out" at you that seems more likely.
Just keep calm, read books, watch instructions and draw. That'll probably get you further than feedback from /ic/ anyway.

Doesn't have to be either tho, could just be that people are completely indifferent to your work.
That's certainly one of my top reasons for not giving critique to people that I would feel comfortable giving feedback to.

>>4579831
your vampire boy absolutely mogs all the shotas Ive ever drawn. its very nice

>>4579807
>>4579810
>if you want to be stuck with flat drawing for your entire life then it's not a problem
IF, want, not a problem
if u want to get a job in anything art related, excluding contemporary, it becomes a problem. if you don't and you don't mind flat drawing it's not a problem.

what happened to the mega link with the videos? dead?

One of my first few attempts at digital
>>4579750
yeah you should def study some anatomy

>>4579801
>>4579798
flat shading!=flat drawing

my hands

how important is hand anatomy?

>>4579869
i'd hold them

>>4579820

>>4579891
Anatomy is only important if you are going to focus in drawing bodies moving in space, in other words, porn

>>4579910
> in other words, any body
fixed

>>4579917
Have you ever fucking watched an action cartoon or an action anime? Anatomy doesn't matter over there. Fag. Only in porn anatomy really matters

>>4579922
Based shitposter

>>4577888
Attempted this one too
Doesn't really look like her though, and I feel like all my art is really messy which I can't seem to fix.

Hello, I'm here with a question you're undoubtedly tired of:
What software are you guys using? I'm trying to get back into drawing after like 6 years, back then Sai was the flavour of the month, what's the current consensus? I already know photoshop because of work, should I stick with that? I kinda don't like it because it's bloated as fuck but it does everything.
What's CSP like? I've never used that one.

>>4579976
you can test most softwares for free

>>4579976
i use csp

>>4579869
>>4579891

>posting shit you drew last year

You'd get more attention if you just shat out another generic animu girl, dare. You're lucky I'm feeling generous.

>>4579990
why do you sound so angry?

>>4579721
No, that should not take an hour to do. Imo you should go and practice figure drawing. Spend 1-5 minutes per drawing and do a ton. You'll start to get a better understanding of the shapes and be faster. After you feel more confident (maybe a few months), learn anatomy.

>>4579820
Even if you've drawn for 10 years. If your skills are at a beginner level, then you are a beginner.

>>4580024
Ok, I suppose I misunderstood speed drawing. I just thought it meant to draw faster than I usually do. It was an hour in sketching/inking/shading. I don't know how I would even draw a body in 10 minutes. I'm constantly looking at my References and proportions.

>>4579976
Iam using Krita. it small and portable.It somewhat slower then PS when shit ton of layers but I like it a lot.

Learning spheres, cylinders and cubes (super beginner, only 2 days after not drawing doodles since highschool) everything looks flat to me? When will I know the basic 3d shapes enough to move on to something else? How do I know when I've learned them enough?

>>4579326
Kek those long arms

>>4580150
you don't need permission to move on

>>4580150
You can draw other stuff to keep it interesting but you’ll keep coming back to these for a while. I think it’s you have enough of a general idea of the forms that you need to challenge yourself with drawing them in a coherent perspective and casting shadows.

I'm trying to do the ctrl+paint exercises in CSP. I'm on the one about blending but I cannot get any sort of smooth blending. Already got shitposted by /ic/ into making a shit smearing brush and if I try to google I only get stuff about the blending tool (that kills all the edges and make everything pillow shading) or blending modes. How can I achieve proper blending of colors while not killing edges and values?

How do you draw people faster?
Takes me forever and I have to use a reference.

>>4580206
practice

>>4580209
I've been practing and it still takes hours to do a finished drawing when other people can do the same in minutes.

>>4580055
I’m /beg/ but what I’ve found useful is going on websites like quickposes and drawing a bunch of figures. Memorize proportions in terms of head size and it’s easier to measure out everything.

you can use opacity, pressure opacity control and colorpicker.

>>4580150
Practice drawing cubes using lines that are straight and parallel. Don't try to make them converge yet.

>>4580221
that looks very dirty and not smooth. even from such a small res

trying shading with tiny lines for the first time with predictable results yee haw

>>4577758
More interna lines will always make your girls look older

>>4580238
If you can just refine the line technique, you're definitely onto something

What's next after gesture?

>>4580214
Yep, my current method when doing full art that I color and ink is to sketch the head, take a ruler, measure the head, then follow that guide of "2 heads down is the nipple, 3 heads down is the belly, etc". I just don't quite know yet how to speed draw. Am I supposed to draw the entire skeleton first then draw the body and I gotta learn to do that in 10 minutes?

>>4580235
well It just need better job not different method.

I want to learn digital drawing from scratch. How should I go about starting? I know the sticky refers to numerous resources, but shouldn't I establish some digital fundamentals first? At what point do I stop watching ctrl-paint, or should I keep watching it all the way through?

>>4580268

What's your end goal? That's point B. Now is point A. Figure out how to get from point A to point B.

i was wondering if the left character's hand looks okay? I'm not familiar with this angle and arm.

>>4580267
What brush?

>>4580273
Their left arm gets bigger as it gets closer. Perspective. Makes sense.
However, their right arm is not not noticeably smaller, even though it's far from us. Which ruins the perspective and make it just look like their hand is huge.

>>4580238
reminds me of this

Do you guys use the overhand grip? I like the way you can change line weight with it but it’s hard to get used to

>>4580296

This is gonna be a weird question but how do i get used to using a stylus normally?

My old tablet was kinda messed up with it's pen pressure and I got used to that way of drawing.
I bought a new tablet and I can't get used to drawing normally.
Also I don't use a pencil or pen normally and when I do the same thing happens because of my old tablet.

Are there any exercise or things to do to get used to drawing with a stylus?

>>4580296
Is this the artist from attack on titan? Hes improved a lot now

>>4580282
I redrew the right arm. Would this fit better with the perspective?

whats the best way to practice anatomy and construction? do i have to sit here and keep drawing these nude whores in weird ass poses

>>4580296
This big bold effect sound thing on top give me anxiety. Like imagine you fucked up it somehow

>>4579910
I bet you want to be one of those google-doodle "illustrators" with drawings consisting of noodle arms and small faceless heads

>>4580326
Yeah I'm not really sure how much modern manga is digital. Hopefully they just layer it on top using a computer.

>>4580339
Upon closer inspection, it looks like they might have drawn the sound effect text first.

Made with ref from the prev thread
How should i continue from here?

>>4580238
another one, still playin with the line thing.

>>4580354
Shape and proportions all look great. It looks unfinished, I guess.

Oh, the hair and cloth could be a little more 3D.
Is this what they mean by symbol drawing, where you put most of the effort into simply drawing the outlines of cloth folds? It appears you didn't or put much care into the *visual* experience, instead focusing on the technical outlines and shapes?

>>4580369
You're drawing a lot of lines but they don't serve much purpose. Try to put more meaning into your lines. For example, the hair is just filled in with a shitload of lines. No 3D shape, no light reflections. Just a big messy swath of lines.

>>4580377
thx im pic related

>>4580378
Try to visualize the 3D shapes in your head that you're drawing, rather than pasting a bunch of flat pieces together.

>>4580382
You're not going to get far by calling youself stupid

>>4580384
I don't think you know what you are saying, I can tell you are a beg giving advice.
The drawing has form and not flat

I had the realization that art is like your thoughts, completely unique to you and noone can ever have the same. Your thoughts aren't really limited but your art is limited by your skill. Thats why i have become the best so i can turn my thoughts into art.

AAAnyway im having trouble finishing this piece idk what to do to make it better when i can do literally anything. feelsbad

>>4580373
I have no clue what you mean by 'visual experience' or how to answer your question but theres indeed some elements with symbol drawing since I don't have the ability to avoid it 100%. Ty for the feedback

>>4580384
I don't understand why I have to prove myself everytime I draw something cartoon based bc people think I don't understand 3D form because it isn't realistic.
I have no issues about people disliking my work but giving bad advice to newbies bc it isn't realistic or 3D enough isn't good advice.
Btw I don't think it is flat as you claim it to be and I did apply form as I drew but to each to its own

New thread

>>4580399

>>4580399

>>4580397
I would add more detail to the eyes.
Also her nose bridge is way too wide, unless she's supposed to be a cat or something.

>>4580414
Yeah im just fucking around atm, ill do the eye next. Thanks for spotting the nose though, it looked better when i had a mouth and nose instead of mask now she does like a fucking cat kek

>>4580416
Did you use a reference?
The hands and the head might be too small for the body. Right shoulder is popping a lot also. Make sure the shoulder length (while considering it is turned also) it is around 2 head wide (should be less so 1 and half) I'm only asking about proportions BC your drawing is more realistic than stylized

>>4580416
Also left arm before the elbow there is a little bump I say get rid of it or just look at a real arm and fix. There is also a issue with the left shoulders connecting with the body might be too close to the body

>>4579271
you've got other things to worry about rather than shading

>>4579271
drawing every strand of hair individually is going to take a lot of time

hands

>>4580579
You've got the shapes and construction down, it seems. Proportions could be more consistent, including wrists.

>>4580427
>>4580422

Thanks for the advice, i used the reference very minimally, trying to do as much as possible by myself. Its a cluster fuck because im only just getting into anatomy and have only been drawing less than a month lol

>>4578996
Sorry for the late answer. I don't know of any addon or tool that can make that out of the box. I did that with basic shapes and a bit of sculpting.