/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4568520
imagine if we teach math like this, everyone will know how to draw hands.

>>4568520
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

>>4568531
stop, you are scaring all the redditors

I was told that I really need to work on anatomy and perspective&foreshortening, also basics in general. Are sketches like these (drawn from a reference) a good way to practice? How do they look?

>>4568547
not at all, you are suppose to represent the muscles with forms but you don't seem to know them well nor how to draw forms so just draw unironically boxes and others forms.

>>4568531
>Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>>if you are /beg/
>Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>>Before you post your work
>1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

>2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

>Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

>>4568547
Those chicken scratch lines are the first thing that needs work

I'll add a supplement to the arnold poster, here is a guide on who you can give critique to:

>What is your level? -------> Who you can critique:
/beg/ --------> absolutely no one
/highbeg/ -------> day 0 stick figure drawing /beg/s
/int/ --------> /lowbeg/s
/highint/ -------> /highbeg/s + /lowint/s if their mistakes are obvious
/adv/ ------> anyone

Tried colouring in again.

>>4568562
ubber beg here, even i can point out the obvious mistake of this drawfags who is 6 gorillions better than me....how can i do that..

>>4568554
True, I don't know much about musculature. Can you recommend anyone I can read/watch? I have no idea where to start.

>>4568559
Should even sketches be done in long, fluid lines? I usually sketch fast and messy, then clean up later.

This is what one of my more finished doodles looks like.

Is Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain a good book for complete beginners ir will it be too advanced for me?

>>4568574
Because everyone can spot mistakes in others, but few are capable of true introspection and can point out all the mistakes in their own work.

>>4568584
It's the extreme beginners go to book. Not a great book for fundamentals, but good for getting you started from 0.

>>4568571
How come no one helped this poor soul fix the face

So I'm kind of a noob, but I had a question relating to supplies, and the trajectory of doing drawing as a hobby. My goal is to do only portraits/headshots varying from fairly realistic (not hyper) to pretty stylized, at varying angles. Learning the head very well. I plan on using photo references from online and eventually getting good enough to where I can draw from imagination. I don't even care about becoming a great artist, just a decent one. Are basic supplies (using only 2B pencils/printer paper/pink erasers) enough to achieve this goal? Also I don't plan on reading books or taking classes (no drawing from live models). Can I get there with this simple caveman routine?

>>4568520
were do you guys get your reference from? every website i find its just models in a photoshoot, i want to practice people in perspective like pictures taken from the floor level or someone kicking or jumping

>>4568592
Perfect then, thanks!

>>4568592
whats wrong with the face? two eyes, a nose and a mouth, seems like it all checks out anon

>>4568592
some anon did but you know.. begs gonna beg

>>4568592
Please tell me what's wrong with it. I need to know.

>>4568592
For some reason, "don't polish turds" has fallen out of /ic/ vernacular. So lot of /beg/s draw, lineart, color, shade, render drawings with a lot of problems because theyre not told any better

>>4568597
I've attempted to take in just about every bit of feedback when I first posted this 2 threads ago. If there are still issues then please tell me.

>>4568600
this is where grinding fundies come into play

>>4568598
Take a look at how other fan artists handle Kurisu here https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=makise_kurisu don't get demoralized seeing that their art is at a higher level, you can observe carefully to help improve the way you draw things. Basically the way you drew her eyes, nose mouth and ears are all not appealing

>>4568606
Are they unappealing due to anatomy issues or because the style itself is unappealing?

>>4568610
There's anatomy issues yeah but you're also just symbol drawing what you think realistic features look like onto her face. If you're going to draw anime, then at least go anime, don't do strange western face doodle unless that's what you're actually aiming for

I seem to fuck up proportions (even more) when I draw stretched out arms or legs...

>>4568520
Drop some refs retard or this thread is going to turn into an argue about e-celebs, Loomis memes and which method is better

>>4568618
NOOOOOO STOP FLEXING ON US BEGS


desu some of your drawings have some symbol drawing issues with the clothes and somethimes body parts where you make then look flat or the drappery doesn't convey the forms properly which means ... you are a copyfag?

Is there a difference drawing i have to keep in mind as someone left-handed?

>>4568593
hello im /beg/ btw

it sounds like we are fairly similar. i also draw as a hobby and have a liking to drawing head portraits alot (although i like everything else as well).

i have also been using only basic supplies (hb pencil and plain sketchbook paper) and can tell you it definitely works and its a very achievable goal. although i will add that using a kneaded eraser instead of a normal one will boost your results by a lot.

no classes is fine too, i was in a life drawing class for school but i only went to it 3 times total so i think that barely counts and overall i dont think classes are important at all.

>>4568620
google it

>>4568627
wtf I said desu not desu

How do I practice eyes

>>4568627
I was told to stick to looking at references for now...
how do I fix it?

>>4568629
start from right to left so you dont smudge your paper to shit?

>>4568633
Get a book that break down eyes into simpler shapes, learn it, apply it in perspective. Then add the details as you see fit.

>>4568631
Allowing /beg/s to make new threads was a mistake

>>4568636
if you want to be a copy machine that only draws portraits then keep going, if you want to create stuff, use the refs to practice your fundies and then draw something without refs and see if you are making progress or not

>>4568620
i will give you this

>>4568627
>NOOOOOO STOP FLEXING ON US BEGS
this but unironically

>>4568605
telling someone TO grind fundies and telling someone NOT TO polish a turd are two very different set of instruction. one is prescriptive one is proscriptive

>>4568639
What's a good book for that

>>4568649
>draw something without refs
I did that and was told to grind with more refs...
Should I just start back to grinding fundies?

>>4568671
post that work, maybe you only need to focus on some elements instead of learning the whole enchilada

>>4568705
Are those retarded filenames your signature?

>>4568710
Is being a dipshit to everybody your signature?

>>4568710
sometimes I also describe the drawing in Polish

>butthurt

>>4568710
No, but asukafag's art style is easily recognizable.

>>4568716
meant to reply to >>4568713

>>4568705
her waist and hip connection doesn't make sense.

>>4568705
>those arms
Ay, dios mio..

>>4568722
Talking about being a retard you can't even post properly faggot

>>4568715
>>4568727
Calm down "Asukafag"

>>4568705
her right bicep seems in a really weird place

I wanna draw my dick

Birb from the last thread.

>>4568737
wrong place, bro. this is /beg/

>>4568676
Here

>>4568500
seems reasonable. should do some perspective study too. it is probably the thing that helped me improve the most. https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/perspect1.html

>>4568627
>>4568649
>>4568676

>>4568531

>>4568764
hi asukafag

>>4568737
What a fantastical rendered birb

>>4568737
What a really nice and cute looking bird anon

>>4568733
I just tried mimicking the position, and her arms have to be broken to be able to have her biceps in that pose including those hands that are probably a pain to hold in

How the hell do you draw an attractive figure in this position? I have no idea how the rib-cage and pelvis overlap with the belly fat and muscles. If anyone has any good examples, tips, I'd be happy to know.

Additionally, how do you guys go about designing more elaborate poses. Do you start with gesture/ shapes / perspective grid first?

>>4568651
Are there any big mistakes with anatomy or proportion ?

>>4568789
I feel like upper part of the body is larger that it should be and maybe shoulders are too wide, can't tell for sure though since I also struggle with proportions. Could you post your source?

>>4568793
I used the image I replied to as ref >>4568651

How do you draw dense eyelashes appealingly? Trying to draw every lash looks like shit.

>>4568748
yeah its fucked, the perspective of the feet doesn't match the rest of the body, that isn't a big of aproblem tho but the clothing are flat as fuck, the shoes barely look like shoes, his right lower leg is flat and in the wrong angle compared to his thigh and the right short sleeve is making his leg look splashed.

learn anatomy and feel the form

>>4568811
Thanks, any practices I should do?

>>4568789
im /beg/ and i say not bad but the few mistakes that stands out to me are:

the legs are too short. notice how in the reference the length between the bottom of the feet up to the crotch area is about half of the overall model. in your drawing that length would reach only to the neck area.

the gesture is abit off. in the reference the arm on the right is almost completely vertical but in your drawing its curving / leaning forward making the model feel like shes more hunched over

other areas that arent lining up: see how in the reference the elbow on the left is slightly above the hanging ribcage? in the drawing its far below. due to perspective the feet on the left is actually slightly below the feet on the right and in the drawing its far above, making it feel floaty.

also try to include the head and the hands

great work

>>4568744
Sorry, should had gone to int or draw or whatever is up because the chair game keeps changing and I'm lost.

>>4568767>>4568774
Thank you.

>>4568782>>4568787
I saw about this on uldanis anatomy for sculptors but mainly, if your silhouette is boring, then you kill the read about something, for example take bottom, if you do a fill you'll see is mostly a ball or blob, very boring overall and could be many things, you usually want to give a clear sense of someones defining attributes, mix it up, create a rhythm or intent with a pose. So poses like that crumpled, you need to get things out somehow, feet, hands, to still get a human read.
Approach, I used to begin always with blocks, then learned gesture and introduced that to my workflow, nowadays I just wing it so just try different stuff, see what you like of them, how they help you. I also went through a phase of drawing grids and planes to place characters/angles of view better and I think I have to bring that back to what I do. So yeah, try it all.

>>4568794
Look at the position of the pelvis on the model vs your drawing as well as the angle of the shoulders and their position relative to each other. These measurements are important since they dictate the centre mass of the body. As you can see, the centre line of your drawing is tilted forward instead of back due to these wrong positions. Hope this helps.

>>4568827
Thanks for pointing out the inconsistencies I definitely notice them now.
>>4568830
Showing how the angles are off helps a lot thank you

>>4568816
practice won't help you right now your anatomy isn't that good to start doing practices, learn anatomy how you go about it is another matter. if you start doing practices you wont progress that much since your anatomy is beg and all you will be doing is reinforcing those errors if you don't spot them and fix it later.

now your anatomy is not that bad in some parts like the hand and forearm(right arm), but the left arm coming from his thigh and that awful clothing makes me wonder if you are eyeballing a lot or using refs.

so i don't know how hard you should go on anatomy but your 3D spatial sense needs some practice, those can be done with forms, boxes are too easy so try parts of the body simplified in forms from different angles.

>>4568835
Try using longer brush strokes occasionally

>>4568849
How should I approach clothing?

>>4568835
Oh nonono

how's my boxy prototype of a human skeleton, how are the joints

>>4568835
How lovely, soul is off the charts

Tried making textures following drawabox lesson 2, what do you guys think?

>>4568898
I personally think draw a box is a meme and it needs to be avoided because it saps you out of all the fun of drawing making you grind boxes like an idiot.

>>4568914
I drew boxes for a month, then I started added people to boxes, its not rocket science people.

Not a single instructor is going to tell you or teach you how to "incorporate", because that is up to you, but you have to grind something and if you can't do it with people or some shit then break it down to something smaller and simpler and grind those, then incorporate.

>>4568705
OH NO NO NO NO HE'S REGRESSING AGAIN BROS

>>4568914
I'm just doing like 6 boxes everyday while progressing on some other stuff like Loomis and Dodson and the drawabox lessons. Any comments on the texture? Could you guess what it is?

>>4568705
that's a BIG right hand

I changed
hands are hard yes I apologize

WHY IS DRAWING SO FUCKING HARD

>>4568941
Because you just aren't trying hard enough

>>4568941
Think before you make a line.

>live with parents
>can only draw when they're not around otherwise they'll see my drawing of naked women
it hurts bros

>>4568941
Draw a sphere, stretch it, then cut parts of it then twist it to match anything.

>>4568914
>hello it is i your ambiguous gender and ambiguously aged art instructor
>this lesson series is for complete beginners to show them how to learn the drawing process
>in this video we will be drawing boxes
>you should focus on making straight lines with your elbow
>i will not demonstrate or explain this
> in fact i'm not going to actually freehand draw , i will instead cheat using software shortcuts to draw straight lines
>you shouldn't use these shortcuts
>okay do this 100 times then watch the next video

thinking emoji

>>4568951
oh no what will your parents think if they know you like naked women?

seems like I need to study some more faces and features...

>>4568959
they'll think ever lower of me than they already do, drawing women is for losers

I don't like drawing
I was seriously learning when I was younger.
I still dislike drawing
I didn't practice for like 10 years
Would I be considered a beginner if I'm relearning to draw

>>4568973
Youll always be a beginner on this board

>>4568971
>drawing women is for losers
Well, yeah, being attracted to women is pleb tastes

>>4568963
Hey, don't leak the game here please.

>>4568869
study proportions

>>4568946
blackpilled

>>4568973
>lol i don't even really care guys, meh...
Shut the fuck up

Show me your progress on gesture drawing.

I'm noticing progress, am I wrong?

>>4569004
is that a kappa

>>4569006
Holy Moly it is

is 24 too old to learn how to draw? i have actual tested low iq and very poor motor skills. i also suffer from uselessdegreeitis(computerscience). i want to work in the industry!

>>4569011
if you're already looking for excuses, yeah you're 100% ngmi

>>4569011
Well Feng Zhu says his students are usually in their mid twenties but his is a rapid school.

>>4569004
regression

>>4569030
Do you know how I know you're trolling?

Can any digital painting bros give me some feedback? I know I'm not done on this (especially face and hair) but I feel like the more I work on the skin the worse it's getting. Mostly focusing on torso rn.

>>4569052
im /beg/ but try varying your line weights. for example in most anime artwork i see the line of the upper eyelid is thick and emphasized

>>4569071
Aren't thick upper eyelids due to eyeliner? You hardly see male anime characters with heavy eyelids.

inb4 >>/gd/ they're way above my pay grade
This band that I follow is calling for fan art submissions for their 50th anniversary/farewell non-tour (thanks China). This kind of resembles one of their album covers. Is this a fitting tribute considering I'm a Photoshop amateur or is it just a mockery?

>>4569071
>eyelid
eyelashes, moron

>>4569078
>>4569095

>>4569071
> try varying your line weights
Does anyone know how I can I do that with SAI? I drew that with the default settings airbrush tool

Gestural arms with a dull 2mm. It's not clean but whatever.

How the fuck do I stay motivated to draw consistently? I am eternally /beg/ because I constantly go through the routine of
>See a cool drawing online
>Become inspired to draw again
>Become passionate about drawing for about a month
>End up either getting burnout or something irl happens and I use it as an excuse to "take a break" from drawing
>Go months without drawing a end up back at square one

>>4569152
By having discipline. Do it even if you don't feel like it, like showering or brushing your teeth.

>>4569152
by stop acting like a underage faggot

>>4569152
You don't, you force through it while not being motivated. You won't be always motivated.

>>4569152
I hate drawing, but I've never taken a break longer than 4 days in 2 years because I very much want to be able to create art that's as good as the art I love. And I'm not getting any younger. So taking an extended break just doesn't feel like an option for me. I guess you need to find a motivation like that.

More Practice desu....
I want tgofwoiwfoijd;oidfji'ssdsdisdfi'sdlksfdsd

>>4569147
That's looking real good, the 2mm makes some nice lines

>>4569152
What do you enjoy drawing? What do you like looking at? Are you motivated to improve or are you fine where you are?
If you work on paper instead of digital, try buying a sketchbook, whatever size, around 100 pages. Set yourself a goal to fill it within a time period you deem reasonable, write down that date on the cover, and don't draw in it past that date.
For my new years resolution, I told myself I would fill a 100 page sketchbook by the end of the semester. I knew I needed to draw at least a couple pages every 2 days. You can fill it with whatever you want, but at least put a minimum amount of effort into them. This goal got me to do more pages in 3 months than I did in the previous 6

>>4569168
Mind posting your work anon?

>>4569152
Try this maybe https://youtu.be/9QiE-M1LrZk

Old thread dead before I could post, kinda fucked the tilt of the head off the bat which fucked the rest of it but I wanted to finish anyway

>>4569171
This I spent the most time on in said book

>>4569178
the reference for reference

>>4569182
That's really cool anon, I might buy a 100 page book myself, since all I've been using is a random notebook

>>4569178
Thats really nice anon, but it looks so tiny

>>4569101
You get the idea.

>>4569152
>How the fuck do I stay motivated to ____ consistently?

This exact question is asked in every hobbyist forum countless times. Every weightlifting forum has this question asked by beginner weightlifters. Every programming forum has this question asked by programmer novices. Every STEM academic forum has this question asked by struggling students.

This question has been asked 100,000 times, and answered 100,000 times. And I have no doubt it will be asked 100,000 times more. The answer is mainly two-fold.
One, motivation is fleeting. You can only call upon motivation when you happen to feel motivated, which will not be always. Discipline however can be called upon any time. You make yourself do whatever, even though your brain isn't producing a flood of endorphins like it is when you are motivated. Teaching yourself Discipline is tricky because humans, like all organisms and phenomena, prefer the path of least resistance. But unlike animals, unlike electricity, you can override your instinct to be lazy.

This leads to Two, no one can teach you how to discipline yourself. They can only tell you what worked for them. There is no one size fits all method to learning how to be disciplined. You just have to experiment and find ways to motivate yourself to keep going.

Reply to this post with some of your gesture figures.

>>4568571
so this what they did do Kurisu when sern caught them.
I beg you anon, find a download link to Huke’s selected work. And copy that shit.

>>4569260
Admittedly I'm not a big fan of Steins;Gate's art style, but I will have a look if I can get my hands on a PDF of it. Do you have a physical copy or an electronic copy? You're telling me to find a link as if you've already found one before.

>>4568575
cute lonk

https://e-hentai.org/g/1478754/8f501d88f4/
lazy nigger. I love Huke's artstyle because of how he renders his work.

>>4569051
Your shadows are way too soft and over blended. you need sharper shadows.
Also anything below the chest is not shaded properly and looks very flat.

>>4569165
you got the perspective on her very nicely, except for her left hand.

>>4569306
she's bending the arm towards her...
I don'r really know how to draw that desu

>>4569178
draw bigger and resize your images.

>>4569325
her shoulder is extended out too much.
the bicep needs to be foreshortened a little bit.
her hand should be smaller a little bit.

>>4569303
Thanks anon. Any advice on how to not overblend? I can't find the balance

>>4568651

>>4569335
Ah, okay...
Pull shoulder in, make bicep foreshortened(?), and hand smaller

To the anon who posted this picture. Where did you learn the kind of construction you use underneath the muscles?

Hes not gonna explain how he did the backhead and angles is he?

Hes not gonna explain how he did the backhead and angles is he?

How do I finish this?

I don't know how to draw hair or even render...

>>4569407
Are you following a book?

>>4569417
Yes, I've been reading Keys To Drawing

>>4569426
I'm just stuck on how to draw hair and My tablet can't really do light strokes so it's hard to comprehend rendering

>>4569407
Here's me trying to draw hair

>>4569426
You're better off using pencil and paper for that if you're not familiar with digital brushes. And you can trace it as the book says, constructing the face correctly isn't the focus here, focus ONLY on tones/shade and how hard or soft their edges are and how dark and light, this exercise is only to train to accurately see value and control it here.

Don't draw hair, just block in a big area with black and pay attention at it's edges transitioning to lighter areas.

>>4568737
Painting is so fraudulent

I'm trying to break from being a photocopier.

Definitely messed up the eyes, they aren’t lined up right.

Did better on the mouth then I thought I would.

Shading is super scuffed but do you guys think it has volume, or is it flat?

>>4569527
Ref

>>4569527

>>4568955
>> in fact i'm not going to actually freehand draw , i will instead cheat using software shortcuts to draw straight lines
really gets the noggin joggin

>>4568940
>he gave her clevage
Based asukafag

>>4568531
Good man

weed/drugs/alcohol is cancer

I'm trying to design the lineart for an embroidery painting, I usually just trace something i like and do it, but I've been trying to design my own lately.

This time i'm trying to make a small fanart of the wandering inn, a webserial about an innkeeper in a litRPG world.

I don't know why but this looks terrible to me, maybe it's head's shape

>>4569602
tiny hand is tiny, try placing your own hand over your face and see how big it should be

>>4569602
>those hands

ohnononono

did the reference from the last thread tonight. Still a lot of problems, but I really tried to work with only simple shapes and the construction i know of. I think I could get it after a bit more grinding.

>>4569606
No, I aint /beg/ like you! I ain't /beg/! I AIN'T /BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGG/!!!!!

What can I improve? I'm pretty new to rendering, any advice?

rip forgot to attach, but I did the reference from the last thread tonight. Still a lot of problems, but I really tried to work with only simple shapes and the construction i know of. I think I could get it after a bit more grinding.

>>4569622
Go back to /beg/

>>4568639
well... recommend a book or video or something

>>4568633
open them.

do people really enjoy reading straight up novels instead of just grinding out some area youre lacking by using examples

>>4568941
I know right. We're at the absolute worst fucking point.
Support and encouragement is minimal because we're dogshit, we're slow at everything because we lack techniques and shortcuts, and motivation wavers because of low confidence.

But just over the hill, is being proud of the work, people liking it too so it encourages you, and the bliss of creating something exactly how you picture it in your head

>>4569602
Looks cute but tiny hands, draw a nsfw version of her because I must coom

>>4569621
something like 70% of this rendering thing is understanding surface of thing you dealing with and I barely do myself so Arny will not approve.

where to learn color theory and painting and shading color like damn

>>4568520
What's the best way for drawing muscles?
Is Hogarth actually viable for studying muscles?

>>4569622
beautiful values bro

not too sure how to make these types of eyes look like from the side or how this type of hair looks from the side

>>4569736
I want to hug her

wanted to do a concept for today, Didn't have much time to draw it so its pretty rough but the idea was fun.

>>4569736
Maybe use reference instead of problem solving it without a formula?

Anyone else have a problem visualizing something in black in white when the picture is in color?
How do I go about transferring the color to greyscale?

>>4569643
Honestly, it's annoying how much people want support and encouragement but dont do the same for others. It's this cycle that just keeps happening

>>4569152
I am trying to draw again this year. The firsts months i barely drew anything, i used to sit and stare at the paper, scribble a little, get anxious and give up. Now i am finally able to just willingly sit and enjoy drawing. This is what helped me:

-don't look at other artists before drawing: i only look at other artists to see how they solved a certain problem.
-put white noise in the background (anything but music): it will help you concentrate in drawing.
-draw what you like: draw for yourself.
-don't use social media to post your art: same as above.
-set up small goals: my goals this year is making clean sketches and be able to paint decently with pencils.
-don't use references (personal): i only look at references when i need to solve a difficult problem, mostly shoes and hands.

I can't really give you many advices because you are waaaay better in skill than me, but i hope it helps you. Think of drawing as a relaxing hobby, not as something you need to get better now.

>>4569693
Could you please answer my question?
>>4569350

i suck at hands, even after refferencing

>>4569736
Maybe this helps with the eyes?

>>4569818
Thank you.
I noticed that you redlined the whole body was my anatomy that off?

>>4569736
i'll be as good as you one day bro

>>4569787
Not really, it's understandable.

>>4569818
I'm kind of worship your redlines but something not good with that ass

>>4568555
Based, checked and goldpilled.

>>4569817
Hey lolibro.
You're not improving because you keep drawing the same simple generic front views and leaving them at the line art stage over and over.
Just a thought.

Can someone give me some tattoo tips and tricks ?

>>4569844
I'll start coloring them then, thanks

>>4569792
>don't look at other artists before drawing: i only look at other artists to see how they solved a certain problem.
Ugh.
I remember you complaining in another thread about your lack of progress and that you knew your art was bad. Have you ever considered that this might have something to do with it?
Studying other artists is less fun than just doodling your own stuff all the time because it makes your weaknesses and mistakes very apparent. But it's also necessary to improve.

>>4569849
Don't get me wrong, I like your art a lot. But you have been asking people why you're not progressing, and those things are probably part of the reason why.

Friendly reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

>>4569852
No, no. I love looking at other artists but when i look at an artist before drawing it makes it harder for myself to draw, i just can't help but compare myself to them. I wasn't giving her advice to improve but rather to make drawing an habit. I forgot to add that studying artists you like is also helpfull, i want to master gesture like Weisbuch.

Just finished this, hows it look? Reference in the next post

>>4569871

>>4569871
Use a bigger brush

>>4569873
anything else?

>>4568705
Ritsuko?

first attempt at digital coloring, what could I do to practice and improve my lineart and colors?

>>4569871
Arnold will not approve but this long strokes badly represent nonsense on the scull and in reflection. maybe more contracted splotches can work better. And you make light reflection in the lemon much more dull.

How much anatomy should I be familiar with before grinding out gesture? How do I into proportions?

>>4569884
appreciate this advice dude, thanks

I'm going to get autism for staring at this.

I hate painting, I'm also too lazy to try to finish anything

>>4569909
Lazy people deserve no help or replies.

>>4569914
Aight

I am regressing in my art a lot recently because drawing moe face and loli shota a lot, so sorry.

Anyways I tried to make it look like she has fish eyes, how does it look for that?
Face aside though how does my drawing look in general before I color it?
I didn't want to make others mad though because I draw on big canvas so my drawing might look a little compressed r sorry again friends

could you guys tell me where my values are off, and if my anatomy is off too?

I am regressing in my art a lot recently because drawing moe face and loli shota a lot, so sorry.

Anyways I tried to make it look like she has fish eyes, how does it look for that?
Face aside haha how about my anatomy though? How does my drawing look before I color it?
I didn't want to make others mad though because I draw on big canvas so my drawing might look a little compressed r sorry again friends
reposting since something went wrong with spoiler ahh

>>4569981
again oh no, what is happening I am using ctrl s...
oh well too late I guess :(
Might as well look like a goof

>>4569982
There are no spoilers on ic
also that anatomy looks bad

>>4569988
Ahh I should have thought so I am dumb,
also wah, do I scrap the whole thing then if it is ugly?

>>4569991
I would recommend studying more bodies and practicing hands/arms

>>4569981
Work on the hands bro, i know it's hard but don't give up so easily.

>>4569876
Her skin tone looks sickly, try making it less green/yellow and more brown/red. Other than that, don't be afraid of hard shadows. The key is to find a balance between blended shadows and hard shadows, now everything looks like a goopy blur.

>>4569909
Can someone atleast give me pointers.

>>4569977
Stop asking the same fucking question. Go study and improve your eyes and taste first or youll always stay bad

I know it's shit but please critique

I know it's shit but please critique

>>4570104
>>4570110
Study breasts/hands/shoulders and feet more
i'd jerk my penis to it but I also have very low standards

What brush settings do I use for hair coloring?

Is this enough to impress normies?

>>4570128

Lazy doodles

>>4570144
Hey that's pretty cute, certainly a lot better than my lazy doodles.

>>4569792
>don't use references (personal): i only look at references when i need to solve a difficult problem, mostly shoes and hands

Always use reference, don't rely on your brain to get stuff right if your visual library is poor which it is for the majority of people in /beg/

>>4570110
can you please proper finish and render it, then upload it it to gelbooru or e621? I bet youd get at least 10 votes

>>4570128
no, and its not even finished or measured out properly real shame abou tthe eye as well

Third ever oil painting; loving it, despite going slow as fuck due to work and shit

>>4570117
Round hard for everything. Do with that and any brush will work for you later.

>>4570128
if youre a girl it will impress the simps

>>4570158
I did finish it, i don't know what else to do or where i went wrong.

critique

>>4568520
WHEN WILL I STOP BEING A /BEG/INNER IN ART

>>4570128
No

>>4570196

>>4570198
just post in /int/

>>4570202

>>4570203
No I'm actually /beg/ tier, not even close to /int/.

>>4570181
1. add highlights
2. clean up the ink out side of the lines
3. add nipples poking through the bra.
4. give it a basic background. sorta like the one i attached

>>4570196
>>4570202
>>4570222
look up hamptons figure drawing book. it would really help you with gesture drawing and especially head construction.

>>4570228
Like this?

>>4569602
The back of the head is missing and the eyes are slightly off, I changed it so that she is lifting her head upwards a bit to make it look like she is thinking.

>>4570273
oh yeah thats looking good man. my own preference would be a bit shinier but thats just me. honestly at this level your basically ready to start doing commissions if youre not already

>>4570282
It still looks bad to me but thank you.
I just hope i get better at coloring.

>>4570280
Thats one long finger

>>4570284
i mean, theres way more advice that could be given but theres no point really because you pretty much know what its going to be
>anatomy
>shadows
>etc
heres a sort of similar reference for you to compare to

>>4570298
The face of their disappointment when their see the smol pp.

>>4570301

>>4569876
try these basic ideas

1) before you start, turn your background into something darker than pure white, it doesn't matter what color grey is fine too like 20-30% grey is already fine. Remember "Colors can only exist in relation to each other" so having a pure white background "blinds your eyes" and makes every other color look dark in comparison to the entire picture making it difficult to see the different colors and difficult for you to pick colors that go well witch each other. As a result even your darkest areas (save for the lineart) will be very bright washed out color.

2) Put down the base colors with similar values before you start shading. You can even make a palette if you like just keep it simple when you are learning.

3) Check you picture in greyscale, use your software to convert it from color to greyscale and check the values and then back. This will help your eyes to learn seeing value better.

>>4570364
>i smile, but inside im dying

>>4570364
>1) before you start, turn your background into something darker than pure white, it doesn't matter what color grey is fine too like 20-30% grey
just for precision, 18% grey is close to “50% grey” (128,128,128) in gamma-corrected color spaces (eg sRGB). but you should be working in a linear color space anyway

>>4570364
I am an ultra mega giga shitter so I have no right to talk about anything. But in my humble opinion the biggest mistake I see /beg/s above me make is they learn how to sketch to an acceptable level, but instead of learning proportion, foreshortening, anatomy, they immediately dive head first into the deep end of art. They want to show coloring, color theory, shading, rendering, they want to learn cloth physics and all these niche or advanced aspects of art, meanwhile they still draw t-rex arms and wonky looking asses. I say this with no malice, I just think these people could improve a lot more consistently if they took it one step at a time and really honed their sketching process and refrained from jumping in the deep end of the pool.

I'm still at the grinding Loomis phase, but there's a drawing I really want to do. Problem is, it's a fantasy race with a weird nose (shorter than the 1/3rd rule and more rectangular), should I turn this into a 'study' or just keep grinding normal humans?

>>4570395
You're one step near of becoming an art teacher.

>>4570395
i would argue that it feels great to some to finish something that you can show instead of just drawing sketches and sketches for years

>>4570395
I think there's probably something to this. I had seen so many artists get in a rut in their comfort zone that I decided that I had to always be challenging myself with the hardest stuff I could think of. If I couldn't draw the craziest meme poses from imagination then I was a failure. But actually if you just start with the easy stuff, then you'll learn more and also improve your confidence because you see more success. You don't have to worry about getting stuck in your comfort zone if you don't even have a comfort zone yet.
t. Probably not much better than you.

>>4570398
The point of loomis, and every other artbook, is that you slowly and gradually incorporate their lessons into your own drawing process. If you think its good practice then you can turn it into a study. Anything is good as long as you're applying what you've learned

>>4570414
Thanks. I'm finding it hard to draw anything that's not in his books so I need to snap out of that ASAP. I figured the best thing to do would be to apply his lessons to a unique drawing, but the thing I want to draw most right now is that fantasy race with the dumb noses.

>>4570410
I'm all in favor for people drawing what they want. Its your art. If you want to draw a wonky anatomy anime girl, sketch it, line art it, color, shade, render it. Ok. You can do that. But if you come to the /beg/ general and ask for advice, I'm going to explain why I think you spending hours and hours coloring something that has bad anatomy that was messed up during the sketch process, is not an efficient way to learn.

Additionally, it shouldn't take someone 2+ years of sketching to reach a point where they have a workable grasp of figure drawing.

>>4570423
thanks for the precisions anon

>>4570398
for creatures with wonky proportions (like satyrs, goblins etc) i would look for references i like and try to find a way to construct them. in fact i have the same problem, as i'd eventually like to draw a race close to satyrs

>>4569799
>>4569350
Anon here.
I basically just drew the ribcage and pelvis first, then drew cylinders to indicate the arms and legs position, thickness and length. Then I drew the muscles on top of everything.

I basically derived that method from Loomis' FWAP and figure drawing books.

>>4570423
Damn you are really good at explaining, are you a teacher or something?

Hey /ic/, no heads today only crab. Say hi!

It's a work in progress, I wanna add a robot pincer and a terminator kinda eye, plus evidently all the details.

>>4570531
Crab claws aren't usually the same size are they?

>>4570518
No Im a /beg/ shitter STEMfag who dabbles in art as a hobby, but I read probably close to 100 archived threads on figure drawing, anatomy, and anime study when I was first learning the basics. I only repeat things I've read. Now if only I could apply them myself.

>>4570273
This looks surprisingly good even though you seem to not be sure of your construction.
To be more specific her breasts, her neck and where her underwear goes around the waist.
Make sure you're fully aware of where you have your shapes. Making multiple sketches to begin with can help you realize where you've gone wrong.

>>4570540
That's a different species, I used this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_crab as reference since it's more common where I live.

is this is anatomy?

sorry for that

>>4570543
Maybe you just need to draw.

>>4570574
Holy shit, if I was rich I would pay for a commission.

>>4570543
Literally me but i did it for a year before actually drawing, somehow i thought i could git gud without putting pen to paper.
I enjoy looking at art way more than i do drawing myself.

>>4569747
Wonky perspective even for an anatomically exaggerated monster.

>>4568651

>>4570160
Beautiful colors. Boat looks tiny though compared to the trees.

>>4570273
how do you know where to place your highlights and proper shading etc. fuck

>>4570042
Horrible advice, pyw.

>>4570591
you just easily impress. And it's not my drawing, I cant draw cute anime girls so no commissions for me.

>>4569867
The gestures in that pic are awful

>>4570670
Why?

hey ILLASTRAT kys you fucking dumb ape

>>4570615
Wow this one is great, good job anon

Generic crying while flowers in hand drawing

>>4570754
Forgot to resize

>>4570574
>this is being used as a study when the fundamentals were fucked.
God damn

>>4570766
>the fundamentals were fucked
Redline it.

>>4570756
I like the crosshatching on the clothes. The plants kind of blend into his shirt though.

>>4570816
>crosshatching
>not a single hatch is crossed

I can't draw the same person from different angles

>want to draw
>cat wants to sleep on my arm
Send help.

I'm mentally retarded

>>4570863
dont abuse the transform tool when you are learning. just undo and erase if you have to. flip the image often and try to do better next time

>>4570840
Fine then "shading," happy now?

>>4570756
Wait so are those his tears?! I thought those were his eyes

>>4570756
looks like a guy holding a pile of dead leaves while his eyes are melting out of their sockets.

Alright so I made his face too wide, so I'm gonna thin it down

>>4570929
I think you're exaggerating a bit. It does seem like he's crying but the tears are unrealistically large.

>>4570944
study facial proportions

>>4570944
Negro of the highest order, read the fucking sticky. Read the very first book in there.

>>4570972
You're absolutely right anon, thanks for the advice, also thanks for taking the time to showing me an example

ppsht wonk badabing

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>>4571019
>>4571019

>>4568651

>>4570856
>he lets his cat into his bedroom
Enjoy your toxoplasmosis